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Why even Amsterdam doesn’t want legal brothels

The Dutch experiment in legalised prostitution has been a disaster

2 February 2013

9:00 AM

2 February 2013

9:00 AM

Do you remember the rather brilliant comedy sketch featuring Harry Enfield and Paul Whitehouse in which they played laid-back police officers in Amsterdam, bragging that they no longer have to deal with the crime of murder in the Netherlands since the Dutch legalised it? Don’t laugh too hard. In 2000 the Dutch government decided to make it even easier for pimps, traffickers and punters by legalising the already massive and highly visible brothel trade. Their logic was as simple as it was deceptive: to make things safer for everyone. Make it a job like any other. Once the women were liberated from the underworld, the crooks, drug dealers and people traffickers would drift away.

Twelve years on, and we can now see the results of this experiment. Rather than afford better protection for the women, it has simply increased the market. Rather than confine the brothels to a discrete (and avoidable) part of the city, the sex industry has spilt out all over Amsterdam — including on-street. Rather than be given rights in the ‘workplace’, the prostitutes have found the pimps are as brutal as ever. The government-funded union set up to protect them has been shunned by the vast majority of prostitutes, who remain too scared to complain.

Pimps, under legalisation, have been reclassified as managers and businessmen. Abuse suffered by the women is now called an ‘occupational hazard’, like a stone dropped on a builder’s toe. Sex tourism has grown faster in Amsterdam than the regular type of tourism: as the city became the brothel of Europe, women have been imported by traffickers from Africa, Eastern Europe and Asia to meet the demand. In other words, the pimps remained but became legit — violence was still prevalent but part of the job, and trafficking increased. Support for the women to leave prostitution became almost nonexistent. The innate murkiness of the job has not been washed away by legal benediction.

The Dutch government hoped to play the role of the honourable pimp, taking its share in the proceeds of prostitution through taxation. But only 5 per cent of the women registered for tax, because no one wants to be known as a whore — however legal it may be. Illegality has simply taken a new form, with an increase in trafficking, unlicensed brothels and pimping; with policing completely out of the picture, it was easier to break the laws that remained. To pimp out women from non-EU countries, desperate for a new life, remains illegal. But it’s never been easier.

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Legalisation has imposed brothels on areas all over Holland, whether they want them or not. Even if a city or town opposes establishing a brothel, it must allow at least one — not doing so is contrary to the basic federal right to work. To many Dutch, legality and decency have been irreconcilably divorced. It has been a social, legal and economic failure — and the madness, finally, is coming to an end.

The brothel boom is over. A third of Amsterdam’s bordellos have been closed due to the involvement of organised criminals and drug dealers and the increase in trafficking of women. Police now acknowledge that the red-light district has mutated into a global hub for human trafficking and money laundering. The streets have been infiltrated by grooming gangs seeking out young, vulnerable girls and marketing them to men as virgins who will do whatever they are told. Many of those involved in Amsterdam’s regular tourist trade — the museums and canals — fear that their visitors are vanishing along with the city’s reputation.

I was last there with Roger Matthews, a professor of Criminology at Kent University and a renowned expert on the sex trade. The politicians he spoke to confess that the legislation has made a total pig’s ear of an already unsavoury situation. So the repair work is starting — for what good it will do. Women who rent the windows will soon be obliged to register as prostitutes. This will be as ineffective as the obligation on them to pay tax. When the fake and government-funded union supposedly representing those involved in prostitution did a massive membership recruitment post-legalisation, only a hundred joined, and most of those were strippers and lap dancers.

Rather than remove the sleaziness of the red light district, it made the area more depressing than ever — full of drunken sex tourists who act as window shoppers, pointing and laughing at the women they see. Local women pass the streets with their heads down, trying not to see the other women displayed like cuts of meat in a butcher’s shop. Men can be seen entering the brothels, trying to barter down the price. Others come out zipping up their jeans. Many of the women look very young, all of them bored, with the majority sitting on stools in underwear playing with their phones.

Nowhere else in the world is street prostitution legal, because people do not want it in plain sight. Where there is a street sex trade, women are accosted on their way home by punters, and often condoms, drugs paraphernalia and pimps are visible. But the Netherlands decided in 1996 that street prostitution was a decent way to earn money and created several ‘tolerance zones’ for men to safely rent a vagina, anus or mouth for a few minutes. Cars drive into cubicles. This being the Netherlands, there is a special section for cyclists. Keep prostitution green.

The day after the Amsterdam zone opened, more than a hundred residents from nearby neighbourhoods took to the streets in protest. It took six years for the mayor to admit in public that the experiment had been a disaster, a magnet for trafficked women, drug dealers and underage girls. Zones in Rotterdam, The Hague and Heerlen have shut down in similar circumstances. The direction of travel is clear: legalisation will be repealed. Legalisation has not been emancipation. It has instead resulted in the appalling, inhuman, degrading treatment of women, because it declares the buying and selling of human flesh acceptable. And as the Dutch government reforms itself from pimp to protector, it will have time to reflect on the damage done to the women caught in this calamitous social experiment.

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  • gulfstream5

    Yes, Julie, and I expect men will soon lose interest in sex altogether!

    • http://twitter.com/bindelj Julie Bindel

      Maybe they could keep their interest in it but only engage in it with women who are actually sexually attracted to them? Old fashioned concept I know but far more civilized, don’t you think?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

        An old fashioned concept you refer to is called male shaming, on deaf ears it falls. Women, old fashioned ones, choose men to obtain resources, provision and protection, it is called marriage, just another form of prostitution for women and a form of second class citizenry or indentured servitude for men, and you call that civilized. I, as a man will take my freedom, you can have old fashioned barbarism or slavery or marriage, they are all the same to me.

        • SeamusSmith777

          Oh, please, not that old “women only want me for my money” canard. It’s so passé and overdone — not to mention whiny. Wipe your nose and learn to be charming, interested and interesting — or become very good friends with your right hand. Those are the only options open to someone who is NOT a grotesque caricature of a man.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

            Not quite sweetie. In my world I have my place, she has hers.She has a job, and a life and so do I. The gross caricature is a woman who needs to be “taken care of”. That old canard has been flushed along with marriage.

          • http://www.facebook.com/roger.hudson.946 Roger Hudson

            Is that why the government wants to destroy marriage? Make paying cash for sex illegal.
            Listen men, friendly socks are actually better for you.

        • Fergus Pickering

          What a curious person you are. I think consorting with prostitutes IS shameful, that what Max Moseley was aught doing DID demean him and make most of us unable to take him seriously – if we ever did. And I do not believe my wife is a prostitute. I can’t soeak for yours.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Caught doing? I thought a breach of trust and privacy was involved?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

            Consorting with prostitutes? Not I.
            Married? Not I.
            Have any clue who Max Moseley is? Not I.
            Believe your wife is a prostitute? Marriage is a a form of prostitution if the one is exchanging sex for provision or protection, so is she?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenneth-James-Abbott/661683861 Kenneth James Abbott

          — it is called marriage, just another form of prostitution for women and a form of second class citizenry or indentured servitude for men, and you call that civilized.–
          Please never breed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

            Oh, now there is an argument……lol.

            I have twin sons……..so eff you !!!!

          • fr0thing

            I hope they realize you are a commie.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

            Have no logical argument, just call people names…….brilliant.

      • gulfstream5

        @Julie Bindel – “Old fashioned concept I know but far more civilized, don’t you think?”——–In a perfect world in which men and women had similar sexual appetites and desires, possibly yes. But in the real world we inhabit there exists what Catherine Hakim describes as the male sex deficit, which means that men (the beasts!) are frequently short of sex, hence the fact that prostitution has always existed. Same sex relationships have the important advantage that this problem cancels itself out because both partners are singing from the same hymn sheet. (BTW – I’m always civilised!)

        • SeamusSmith777

          Using women’s bodies like they’re disposable sex toys is the antithesis of civilized. What men in Patriarchal societies suffer from is not a deficit of sex, but rather a glut of narcissism and an overweening sense of entitlement.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

            Using men’s bodies for provision and protection is the antithesis of equality. What the women in the present Matriarchal society offer a man is a glut of pathological princess narcissism and an overwhelming sense of entitlement. I suggest you get off face book, get a job, and get busy building your imaginary Patriarchy, Princess, because it would be a first. Women have never built a civilization, that dear, is a man’s job, but most of us just don’t give a ____ anymore, and have stop listening to your whining.

          • Fergus Pickering

            I hate to say it (no I don’t) but you, sir, are a foreign nutjob. I have no idea what your post means and I’m not sure you know yourself. Perhaps you should become a muslim. Perhaps you are one already. Perhaps you need whores because no women would freely five you the time of day.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

            I came here for an argument, and all I’ve gotten is insults.
            I want a refund, perhaps it is the next room down the hall….LOL

          • DF

            Are you for real? Do you vote BNP, tea party or UKIP? Urgh!

          • StephanieJCW

            Except that’s not what is happening is it? And if it was? So what? That happens everyday when people have casual sex/one night stands neither of which Bindel writes articles on. To enjoy sex is not evidence of ‘narcississm’ or ‘an overweening sense of entitlement’.

            It’s normal and natural. And if you are single, or in a relationship where your partner has unilaterally declared a vow of celibacy, then what exactly is the issue with seeking sex elsewhere – even if that means paying for it?

            And can you stop being so utterly dismissive of sex workers as merely being used. They have brains and often choices. They don’t see themselves as being used. They see themselves as offering a service for which others are willing to pay. Not unlike a waitress, accountant or any other worker in the service industry.

            I know for my housemate and her colleagues the number one bugbear they have, hands down, with their line of work is people who keep trying to ‘save them.’

          • kiannafleur

            It doesn’t make sense to be in a relationship where one partner has declared celibacy. If the condition exists, there’s something else going on. It’s a myth that women have lower sex drives than men. What women generally don’t want is to be commanded to perform on the spur of the moment, as prostitutes are. Men who frequent prostitutes have told me they want three things: 1. Variety; 2. To command a woman to spread; 3. To never have to see her again.

            It’s not about “more” or “less” sex drive, it’s about differences in men’s and women’s sexuality. Men want to spread seed far and wide, women want to bond to form stable families. Both can be trained to reverse those roles, or reject those instincts, if conditions are right.

          • StephanieJCW

            Why must there be “something else going on”?

            What if one person has never liked sex particularly an no longer seeks to hide the fact? What if the only issue is sex? What if there are children involved? Do you tear apart a family when you could easily remain together and the other person have sex with others?

          • DF

            “they don’t see themselves are being used”
            Wow, you know what they are ALL thinking. Omniscient you!

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            DING! WE have a winner.

        • StephanieJCW

          Quite.

        • DF

          Where did you get that men and women don’t have the same needs?

      • gulfstream5

        @ Julie Bindel – What would be wrong with legalising brothels subject to the conditions that (a) they would be run solely by women, and that (b) prostitutes working in them would have a bill of rights, including a cap on the proportion of their earnings they would have to hand over to the madame for providing the facilities? Much more practical than trying to operate the Swedish model in this country, don’t you think?
        Yours in civilisation
        Gulfstream5

        • http://twitter.com/xsummerss Wendy

          Legalisation means more forced prostitution.

          • gulfstream5

            Testosterone is clearly the reason for the male sex deficit, so it follows that eliminating it is the most appropriate solution. This could easily be achieved by mass chemical castration. Except when granted exemption to produce 2.4 children, all males over 16 would be required to attend their local Orwell centre for a fortnightly injection of the appropriate hormone. This would eliminate the need for prostitution and gay marriage and reduce domestic violence. It would also placate religious, quasi-religious, conservative and feminist groups. What could be a more straightforward and effective item for any election manifesto?

          • StephanieJCW

            No it doesn’t. It can do but it doesn’t anymore than legalising cleaning means people forced into being housemaids.

        • DF

          Somebody seems to want to serve their vested interest in prostitution rather fight modern slavery…

      • Colonel Mustard

        But then you also think that “Those women that proclaim “I’m not a feminist” should be paid less than men, have no maternity benefits, no access to refuges, and no vote.” So it is quite hard to know what you really believe in and what is just chippy agenda provocation which you can sell to unsuspecting punters like the Spectator for money and prominence.

      • StephanieJCW

        What an utterly ridiculous response. There is nothing wrong with paying an individual for sex. There is nothing wrong with receiving money for sex.

        What consenting adults do is between those consenting adults and it is certainly not for Ms Bindel or government to claim some kind of autonomy over the bodies of those who would be sex workers.

        As for only engaging in sex with people who are actually sexually attracted to you…Bindel you are deluded if you think that everyone who has sex is actually attracted to the person they are having sex with. You really think the Trumps, Berlusconis, Heffners, McCartneys, Liddles, Murdochs etc are really attractive to the young, nubile women they have intercourse with? Don’t be utterly ridiculous. Men should keep their interest to sex with women who wish to have sex with them. For whatever reason. No more, no less.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jeannie.butler.73 Jeannie Butler

          What the fuck yes it is wrong on so many levels . In many cases it ends up in the man taking his money back, beating, raping or killing the woman. It opens a road to so many destructive paths!! Not all tricks are safe they are far and few between, and why should you have to pay to get your dick sucked or laid why not just try the old fashioned way and meet a woman take her on a date or there are personal adds where women are just as horny as you and just want to get laid, to say that there is nothing wrong with prostitution is to not know what the hell you are talking about!!!!!!!!!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

            If i go to a building, pay someone at a register for whatever i select, walk into a room, and then said services are given to me, then i leave. How does that lead to beating raping or killing? The problem isnt prostitution, its illegal prostitution.

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            Loser.

          • DF

            Clearly you want prostitution

          • StephanieJCW

            There is nothing wrong with prostitution. The fact a service MAY result in something negative does not make that service inherently bad.
            For some woman it may lead to rack and ruin, for my housemate it has lead her to in a healthier way of channelling her sexuality, a way of funding her degree and lifestyle for two days a week work.

            Sometimes you don’t want I date you just want f*ck or explore certain things that your long term partner does not wish to.
            There are many different reasons to procure the services of a sexy worker. And generally speaking those reasons aren’t wrong. I have never paid not received money for sex but won’t prevent others for doing either. It’s our right as individuals will full autonomy over our bodies.

          • Ovate

            Women getting out of the business are sharing their stories of the abuse. The women are cheated out of most their money in ‘towel’ fees and other bullshit. The guys are aggressively try to negotiate with the women to not wear a condom and the women that turn them down are fined large fines by the house. The women end up making less than a regular job. Women get tested for disease but the men are not. HIV+ men are never banned from legal houses and they are allowed to negotiate for condomless sex.

            Instead of pushing this job on women, how about just giving us equal pay in regular jobs?

          • DENIZ

            as if hookers like you would forgo easy money and drugs in favor of a job like normal people , you want easy money and want to fill up your orifices for free while doing it !

          • DENIZ

            to say that prostitution should be banned is to not know what the hell you are talking about!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Mistie Holler

          “Men should keep their interest to sex with women who wish to have sex with them. For whatever reason. No more, no less.”

          I agree that consent is the main issue when it comes to sex. I think it’s the first thing anyone needs to think about, the first thing kids at school ought to be taught about in Sex Ed, and should really be the first principle that sexual ethics should be built on. But to know that the person you were paying for sex wanted to sleep with you, you’d have to get to know them a bit. If you’ve been, say, traumatised by a childhood rape, and you end up in prostitution as a result of the many psychological difficulties that resulted – is the bar for what qualifies as consent really that low? If you have a drug addiction or an alcohol addiction or even a shopping addiction to fund, is the ‘yes’ really representative of what you want? If a woman is having sex with a man for any other reason than the enjoyment or comfort or sexual release of having sex with that man, then couldn’t we end up describing a starving woman who sleeps with a men in exchange for bread as ‘consenting’? This is one of the reasons why I don’t believe prostitution can ever be moral; because almost by definition, a prostitute is someone who won’t show you what they truly feel and who you won’t get to know. I just think all sex ought to gratify a woman by way of more than just money.

          “You really think the Trumps, Berlusconis, Heffners, McCartneys, Liddles, Murdochs etc are really attractive to the young, nubile women they have intercourse with?”
          But what’s the definition of ‘sexually attractive’? It’s not just a young-and-hot thing. Power can be very attractive so maybe Berlusconi scored as highly sexually attractive to some of those girls. Then again, maybe Julie Bindel thinks that it’s wrong for young nubile women to throw themselves as grotty leering old philanderers and vice versa. Maybe Berlusconi’s marriage would be in a better state if those girls only slept with men they found sexually attractive.

          Sometimes in arguments like yours I think people lose sight of the fact that sex is different from and much more intimate, whatever the circumstance, than most other things. I’m not saying it’s necessarily more ’emotional’, I’m saying that paying a prostitute to have sex with you is not exactly the same as paying someone to spend an hour teaching you how to play tennis. And if I take a shitty job as a cashier for a month, it’s not going to leave me with the same sense of abiding shame, dehumanisation etc that spending a month working in prostitution and regretting it probably would. It’s not going to lead to procreation or an abortion or an STD. Sex is just different somehow.

          • StephanieJCW

            I disagree on all aspects. You may feel shamed and degraded by being a sex worker not all if them do. As for sex work potentially resulting in STDs, abortion and procreation, so does any form of sex activity would you seek to ban people from engaging in casual sex encounters?
            I just don’t believe sex SHOULD be something. A consenting adult should engage in sex for whatever reason they please. Be it love, money, horniness etc. it can be with someone you know and love it somebody completely anonymous. One is no more moral than the other.

            And my comment on the Heffner’s et al was to point out Julie’s deluded mind if she thinks it is only prostitutes who have sex with people they have no physical attraction to. No I don’t think physical attractiveness is summed up merely by youth but do you those men would attract those women ‘physically’, if they were poor? Come now.

      • DENIZ

        who the fck are you to decide which women men should or should ot have sex with ??

  • http://twitter.com/HHbruichladdich heather harvey

    Netherlands government are to be congratulated for having the courage of recognising when something has gone badly wrong though as the writer says the damage done mean time is pretty horrible to contemplate. But let’s hope this is a warning to other states seeking to legitimise pimps, managers and buyers and indeed to become the pimp itself!

    • spanners

      Yes congratulations where due!
      Let’s hope that they show the same degree of courage in recognising that so-called “same sex ‘marriage’ ” has been a total disater for their country too as well as euthanasia and child pornography and everything else that the Socialist / Green nutcases have brought into being.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeannie.butler.73 Jeannie Butler

        same sex marriage and prostitution have nothing in common Love is Love regardless of the sex this is not a gay bashing session prostitution in no way has any thing to do with love!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

        lol at you troll. How can same sex marriage do anything negative to a country? euthanasia ? really? Even if you believe in god, god gave you free will. you have the choice when to end your life. its not up to the government to tell you when you can live or die.

        • spanners

          Hmm… You’re calling me a troll? Interesting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron.moule Ron Moule

    You don’t quite explain why the sex industry should be ‘avoidable’ and discrete. Is this to avoid women being hassled by punters? is it because of effects on the property market? An article high on outrage, low on evidence.
    As posted elsewhere, According to information supplied by the City of Amsterdam press office:
    ” Enabling legislation for prostitution is currently being addressed by the Upper House of the Dutch Parliament. The new legislation would require prostitutes to join a national register and raise the minimum age for work in the sector from 18 to 21 years old. The new law would also mean that those visiting prostitutes working illegally would be criminally liable and owners of buildings where prostitution takes place could be held accountable for repeat violations”
    http://www.iamsterdam.com/en-GB/…amsterdam…/red-light-district-faq
    There’s inevitably a Prostitution Information Centre
    http://www.pic-amsterdam.com/
    Enge Kerksteeg 3 1012 GV Amsterdam, Netherlands
    +31 20 420 7328

    A few seconds ago · Edited · Like

    • http://twitter.com/xsummerss Wendy

      The registration part of the bill didnt get through the Senate, so its off the table. So no registration of (forced) prostitutes, nor ways to regulate buying.The Dutch are currently waiting for new plans/laws.

    • Augustus

      “The new law would also mean that those visiting prostitutes working illegally would be criminally liable…”

      Yes, and according to a Dutch website, such visits carry a sentence of six months plus a fine of 7,000 euros. Furthermore, escort services, sex theatres, peepshows and massage parlours now come under compulsory licencing too. Problem is, how do clients know if a whore is illegal, or not? who’s going to come out with a warning:
      “Hallo, I’m illegal, by the way.”

      • http://twitter.com/xsummerss Wendy

        If you can register the prostitute, then client can check if she is illegal or not. But this plan has too many holes, no doubt one of the reasons it wasnt accepted, besides privacy concerns related to being registered as a prostitute.

    • Daniel Maris

      I think raising the minimum age to 21 would do a great deal to control the trade and reduce exploitation. So would a minimum residential-citizenship qualification. So would obliging women who wish to pursue the profession to sign up to a state-registered managed co-operative to be run by the women concerned.

      • SeamusSmith777

        I think the minimum age — if legalized at all — should be thirty-five. Make it utterly impossible for anyone trafficking or abusing underage kids to claim “Oh, but I though she was 18 (or 21.)” There is no mistaking 13 for 35. But the punters will howl, of course, because so many of them WANT underage kids. Disgusting cretins.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002906810958 David Smith

          That’s a serious accusation you made there without any proof.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shefali-OHara/100000539994086 Shefali O’Hara

        That’s a good idea. Or 25. Sex should stay legal for 18 year olds, but prostitutes would need to be at least 25.

    • gulfstream5

      @Ron Moule – Could not get your first link to work but the same info can be accessed here:

      http://www.iamsterdam.com/en-GB/press-room/city-of-amsterdam-press-room/dossier-red-light-district

    • Colonel Mustard

      Better just to criminalise the heterosexual male sex drive for anything other than procreation which can be managed by regulation and government supervision. Working women can be relieved of the responsibilities of motherhood – sorry, parenthood – by fostering to homosexual and lesbian couples. This will avoid the risk of predatory heterosexual males having access to vulnerable children.

      After all, that is where all this is going. Let’s cut to the chase.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenneth-James-Abbott/661683861 Kenneth James Abbott

        Because trying to stop women from being sex slaves is just a secret effort to criminalize all sex, right?

        • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

          how is someone being paid for sex a sex slave?

        • DENIZ

          having sex with a woman makes her a sex slave eh??

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shefali-OHara/100000539994086 Shefali O’Hara

        Sex if fun. For men AND women. What I don’t get – given how “loose” morals have gotten these days for most people, what kind of loser do you have to be that you can’t get sex? I mean, come on! Hook-ups are common and lots of women will sleep with a guy on the first date. The catch, of course, is that you actually have to have some social skills to get the date and then have to please your partner to get repeat sex. But, unless you’re only interested in sleeping with models or you are really into underage girls, sex is just not that hard to get anymore.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

          What does that have to do with anything related to the topic? Yes sex is easy to come by. but thats not the point. The point is people have a right to sell their bodies because they own their bodies. The government cannot tell you what to do with your body.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WTHOMHZSMJDKIBZ7CNEPYNWJVM Bob B

          “what kind of loser do you have to be that you can’t get sex?” – Really?

          You don’t pay a prostitute for the sex. You pay them to not have the clingy nagging woman afterwards. Just because a guy sees a working girl doesn’t make him a loser… he’s just sick of putting up with crap from “modern women.” And it’s probably a lot cheaper in the long run too.

          Get off your high horse.. seriously.

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            Men are trash.

          • DENIZ

            YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A FEMINIST PIECE OF SHIT WHO HAS BEEN FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET BY MEN MANY A TIME BUT STILL KEEPS POPPING UP AND STINKING UP THE AIR ! JUST LIKE A CLINGY FEMINIST who says shit like “shes is not a piece of meat” or ” idont want to be objectified”

  • Augustus

    It is, of course, quite daring to open a restaurant right in the middle of the Red Light District, but restaurant Mata Hari has plenty of style. The terrace may often be full of drunken Brits bringing their own beer, but inside there’s a cosy bar within a comfortable living room full of sofas and pretty table lamps. And very surprisingly tasty dishes too:
    Linguine pasta with octopus. Chocolate fondant with date coffee-cardamom sauce. For example.
    -Mata Hari, Oudezijds Achterburgwal 22, Amsterdam. 0031 20 2050919

  • Eddie

    Prostitution is legal in the UK but soliciting is illegal.
    Prostitution is illegal in Hollans, but a blind-eye approach is taken. This is perhaps why one feels perfectly safe walking round central Amsterdam (unlike many areas of London).
    All sex involves a transaction. Women are attracted to men with money, power and status or the potential to have it (and are soon out the door if they goes), and thus inherit men’s wealth, which can be seen as their fee for services rendered (as can divorce payments). Feminists used to say that marriage was just legalised prostitution, didn’t they?
    A legalised and monitored prostitution system makes sense and should exist everywhere, though the oppressive illegal sort will always exist too – but the police etc could focu solely on this if they didn’t have to run around arresting curbcrawlers and prozzies of course.
    Feminists are such puritans who are so intolerant of the choices others (men and women) make. You might not like the idea of prostitution, but so what? Most people can’t stomach the thought of feminist communes and manhating wimmins groups, and yet they still exist.

    • http://twitter.com/xsummerss Wendy

      Prostitution is fully legal in Holland. Before 2000 it was tolerated though illegal.

      • Eddie

        OK, I defer to your knowledge.
        However, it’s noticeable that prostitution was very visible and open throughout the 70s, 80s and 90s, when it was illegal. (When I visited Amsterdam and sat in a cafe opposite a prostutitute in her little pink shop window, every single man who entered those brothels was, how do I say?, swarthy. Arabs and Asians all. No doubt on a jolly from Saudi…)
        They tend to have a tolerant approach in Holland, which is far more common sense way of managing anything. We Brits should also be pragmantic regarding the sex industry and porn, for practical and utiltarian reasons.
        Prostitution has never been illegal in the UK, but soliciting is. Madness!
        There is nothing wrong with paying for sex – because, ultimatelt, ALL men pay for sex in one way or another! Just ask any divorcee…

        • http://twitter.com/xsummerss Wendy

          The problem is major sextrafficking, legalisation hasnt solved that at all. In fact sexindustry has grown and with that thus forced prostitution. Its attractive for pimps, criminals now to do business in Holland. Netherlands is a major trafficking hub now.

    • gerrit bloemen

      prostitution is legal in holland since about 1911. just profiteering from this “vice” was illegal, unto 2001. so renting windows was done with a blind police-eye, pimping was more complex, the women could accuse them of it and they had then to do some time up north.

      I live 33 years now in the amsterdam red light district and had many contacts there, even started a client-foundation in 86 to break the taboo around this profession and fight for better working-conditions. of course there is criminal behaviour around prostitution and I am happy that some of the correspondents here formulate very good where that comes from. the burgomaster always says that enslavement is between 10 and 90 percent and there are “reports” about that. personally I have met a lot of women who know what they were doing for the hard needed money and some even enjoyed it. but instead of closing windows officials should first listen to the women and realize that closing windows does rise the rents for the open ones.
      apart from that it was very nasty to forbid women to have clients in their own house some 8 years ago. live and let live and protect the women from pimps and other bad people. a shame that we have such bad people in our city-council who behave so irrational and against the real important measures the women want for so long. these are the real criminals…

      • Mistie Holler

        ‘enslavement is between 10 and 90 percent’
        That’s a big difference! It isn’t possible to get any more accurate figures than that?

    • DF

      Sorry but money just does not do it for me or any of my female friends.

      Sex should not be a transaction but only what 2 people do together when they are attracted to each other. If one of them has no desire, it should not happen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

    Prostitution has been legal pretty much for ever, it is called Marriage.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

      Woops. I forgot to add, Marriage is supported by both heads, feminism and traditionalism, of the same snake, gynocentrism. Both are hate movements against men and boys. Feminism calls for female domination of males, and males to be subservient to females, producing effeminate males often referred to as “Manginas”, as kids we just called them pussy whipped. Traditionalism calls for males to be servile to females by providing and protecting, and placing their wants and needs to the side, really just another form of second class citizenry, we just call them “tools”.

      I think I’ll have my girl over tonight and some nice clean sex with someone I care for, but am not subservient, she actually like a ‘real man’ rather than a ‘tool’ or a ‘mangina’, and she isn’t my wife or my prostitute, or am I being redundant….lol.

      • Fergus Pickering

        You are an American, aren’t you? They have all sorts of loonies over there.
        ‘Pussy whipped’ indeed. Wash your mouth out with soap, feller.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

          Reason and rational argument are not your strengths, Fergie.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenneth-James-Abbott/661683861 Kenneth James Abbott

          Hey, don’t blame us. This nut doesn’t have anything to do with me–or the vast majority of Americans, who are decent people rather than idiots who think that big words cover their desire to be cads.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003280141253 Lysander Spooner

            u talkn to me beotch!!

    • http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/ K T Cat

      Comments like these are why we can never have nice things. Someone prints an interesting article and then people like Lysander come in and ruin it with their idiocy. Yes, Lysander. It’s all prostitution. Of course it is. Now go take your medicine, dear, just like the doctor told you.

  • SeamusSmith777

    Prostitution has always been a horror show for women and kids. I’m thrilled to see former pro-legalization folks admitting the truth. There is no such thing as “good” prostitution.

    • Guest

      Sugar Babies/Sugar Daddies relationship are immune to the anti-prostitution laws of United States and Sweden. Try to criminalize it. No prosecutor in these two counties ever took a sugar baby or sugar daddy over a dating relationship. If you criminalize indoor prostitution, you are criminalizing dating between consenting adults.

    • Eddie

      ‘There is no such thing as “good” prostitution.’
      Marriage maybe?
      Moreover, you are confusing adult prostitution with child abuse – in the manner of so many puritanical scaremongering feminists.
      We need common sense here, and a recognition that male and femal sexual instincts and behaviours are not the same. If feminutsies rules the world, it’s be like North Korea – and of course all dictatorships ban porn and sexual expression, because they hate the individual.
      Sex can (for men anyway) just be a function, a release, separate from emotions. Porn and prostitution give men pleasure and give women money. It has always existed and always will. So let’s regulate it and keep those in the industry safe. That will free up resources to focus on stopping the nasty side of prostitution and child prostitution and people traffiking.
      And by the way, best to ignore the lies of the Fawcett society on this. Their report from a couple of years ago that claimed X many women working in UK brothels and massage parlours had been trafficked was based on this bit of dodgy research: they phoned up all the brothels and massage parlours who advretise in phone boxes etc, and asked them ‘how many foreign girls work there’. They then assumed – yep, just like that – that ALL foreign girls working in brothels and massage parlours had been trafficked! And hey presto, they put out their dishonest distorted figures which all the feminutsies repeat still as ‘fact’ when they are a massive fabrication. Just like the Fawcett lies on rape and porn and the socalled gender pay gap.

      • Guest

        You make assumptions that fit your beliefs, however, the truth is that the oldest known professions for women were doctor, barber, and yes – prostitute. The oldest known occupation of males is also prostitute. This does not mean that it will always exist.

        If you cannot examine this phenomenon in the context of women receiving less money than men, having less access to power and to property than men; if you cannot see the divisions of labour, and rights throughout the world, then you are not in a position to voice any argument that holds legitimacy.

        You are simply another man justifying something that suits him

        • http://twitter.com/TheAnalysisGuy Carl Bennett

          Really? So you mean if someone doesn’t think the way you say they should, they aren’t thinking right? That seems reasonable and valid, doesn’t it?

      • LMT

        You make assumptions that fit your beliefs, however, the truth is that the oldest known professions for women were doctor, barber, and yes – prostitute. The oldest known occupation of males is also prostitute. This does not mean that it will always exist.

        If you cannot examine this phenomenon in the context of women receiving less money than men, having less access to power and to property than men; if you cannot see the divisions of labour, and rights throughout the world, then you are not in a position to voice any argument that holds legitimacy.

        You are simply another man justifying something that suits him.

        • http://www.facebook.com/thaddeus.blanchette Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette

          Actually, the oldest known profession is almost certainly “priest or shaman”.

          • http://twitter.com/PiratesHalfFull Joseph!

            It’s definitely mid-wife.

          • http://www.facebook.com/martin.blase Martin Blase

            If you’re biblically-minded, the oldest known profession would have to be “zookeeper.”

          • me d

            Considering what Adam and Eve did before they were kicked out of Eden, the oldest profession is ‘unemployed layabout.’

          • Dylan J

            In fact, Adam was an agriculturalist who farmed and cultivated the land. I think everybody agrees that this is how human civilisation began.

          • Rick

            “Taxonomist” might be a bit more literal. They just had to name the beasts, they didn’t need to jail them.

          • Andreas Hammer

            Hahahaha-! :”””D

          • Rick

            I’d go with “gatherer” and then maybe “hunter”.

          • Mr know-it-all

            ACTUALLY the oldest known profession would be hunter or farmer. Back before religion was invented people still had to eat. And the women who couldn’t farm or hunt sold themselves so they could eat.

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            That is utter bullshit.

        • Andreas Hammer

          But then again who does not? You only pointing out this mans fallacies adding no argument of your own. “Impressed I am not with your rhetoric” said yoda..

      • p3ace123

        You don’t have to be a feminist to be anti sexual abuse, anti pedophilia and trafficking. You just have to not dehumanise people. Having encountered many sex workers over the years from work in statutory services in the UK and now in Northern Europe, I have never met one worker who didn’t have addiction problems, hadn’t experienced coercive/physically & emotionally painful sex, had an invalidating childhood, complex PTSD and had at least one abusive relationship. This is an extremely vulnerable and excluded section of society (especially if brought into work from outside the EU), partly because of the stereotypes perpetuated by the sex industry itself of these people being less than human (just look at the advertising spiel of porn movies…watch women ‘destroyed’ ‘gagged’ ‘dumb’ whores’ ‘barely legal etc etc). The only way to keep this job safe is to counter the disempowerment by legalising it for the women but empowering them to report any abuse and penalise those making huge profits out of others, plus providing mental health and addiction services to all that want them, and vocational support, so that those aren’t caught in the poverty trap ie the Nordic model which has made Scandinavia a very unpopular place for traffickers. Of course prostitution still goes on, but potential abusers are weeded out

        • http://twitter.com/B3CPres Jonathan Price

          Never met one worker who didn’t have addiction problems? That is completely unbelieveable. You are either lying, or have been very selective in seeking out your sex workers.

          • Brian Williams

            He’s probably a pimp.

          • DENIZ

            and youre probably a faggot !

          • lin

            rapist !!

        • futurepocket

          I’ve met PLENTY of sex workers who don’t have any addiction problems. Stop thinking with your emotions and try to use your brain once in a while.

          • Brian Williams

            Another pimp.

          • lin

            LOSER RAPIST

          • DENIZ

            you seem to be a wanna be rape victim ,who is desperate but will probably be never successful cause you are a HIDEOUS SLIMY FEMINIST !

          • disqus_WnwOZURRVa

            Wow. Who could ever say you all are unreasonable.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shefali-OHara/100000539994086 Shefali O’Hara

        One of the great things Christianity brought was the idea that EVERY human being has dignity and deserves respect. I don’t want to live in a theocracy (whether Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Wiccan, etc.) but I do want to live in a society where everyone, whatever their race, gender, age, etc., is treated with dignity and respect.

        As far as sex – given how easy it is to get free sex nowadays – the hook-up culture is rampant and very few people wait for marriage or even a “steady” relationship any more – what kind of loser do you have to be that you have to pay for sex? How hard is it to be a little bit considerate and kind to someone you want to have sex with? There are probably plenty of single mothers who’d be happy to sleep with
        you if you’d pay a baby sitter and take her out to dinner and a movie.

        Women like sex too, you know. If you learn to be a good lover in addition to a few social skills, you should be able to get sex, particularly if you don’t insist on someone who looks like a model. If you are too lazy to do that, I guess you have to pay someone.

        But, even in that situation – there’s a big difference between a woman advertising on Craig’s List or registering with an online site for a little action on the side (sometimes for no charge) vs. hiring some drug-addicted underage whore who services several guys a night – even if she’s not being coerced, you know she’s got emotional/psychological problems or addiction issues and taking advantage of that says something about your personal honor and integrity.

        Do I think there are moral issues with prostitution. Yes, but you can’t force morality. However, the law does have an obligation to protect the vulnerable. Just like women shouldn’t emotionally manipulate men, men should not physically abuse women. Again, if there was mutual respect, crap like that wouldn’t happen.

        • tomsans

          If Christianity brought the idea that all people deserve dignity and respect, then why did most Christian countries allow slavery until the 19th century?

          • tomsans

            Oh, and the fact that most christian religions also denounce women as lesser people, they still can’t be Catholic priest. Also they aren’t too fond of the gays either.

          • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

            Gracious me, aren’t you the tolerant one, making broad-based generalizations about a group of people?

            Funny – I don’t seem to recall a Muslim woman being allowed to be an Imam. I assume you are just fine with the way that particular religion views women and gays, right?

            Since you didn’t include them in your jab at religions, I’m gonna assume that your prejudices and bigotry only extend to Christians.

            So tell me – how do you feel about Jews?

          • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

            Hey smarty, the person your hating on was responding to someone elses post about how christianity brought dignity. Why would they bring up other religions when they were responding to a post about christianity. So tell me, how do you feel about muslims and jews? since you seem so protective of christians while pointing out other religions flaws.

          • Micheal.OMalley

            Catholicism does not denounce women as lesser people. The male priestly role in Catholicism is rooted in Catholicism’s very oldest Jewish origins and experience. Catholicism advanced the status of women during the Middle Ages giving female abbotess’ authority and power within their orders comparable to that of bishops and abbots. In time Catholicism placed women on all of the major thrones of Europe. Catholicism has no problem with “gays” either. It does however have a problem with the active homosexual practice.

          • Dylan J

            I think you’ll find that the proportion of Catholic priests who are gay is much higher than in the rest of the population, around a third and i’ve never heard any women denounced as a ‘lesser person’ in a church. If you read the New Testament, you will see that women were treated as fellow workers and equals. This was one of the reasons why the nascent church was so persecuted by the Greco-Romans, because the high place that women had in the church was considered to be socially dangerous by the Empire. If you look at the early spread of Christianity, you will see that the majority of converts were women. That is still the case today, 60% women 40% men in the average church, and that is the case in the majority world too, not just in the West. Also, of Christians involved in missionary work, 75% are women, 25% men.

          • DENIZ

            LIBATRD DOESNT MENTION MUSLIMS ! HMMMN

          • kiannafleur

            The Catholic Church teaches that all women are ordained priestesses from before birth, so there’s no need to put her through a second ordination.

          • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

            You are aware that many (if not most) Muslim countries are still practicing slavery, right?

          • BoiledCabbage

            oh no we sweep that under the carpet in the UK!

          • Micheal.OMalley

            Let’s not forget that Marxists and their socialist brethren/rivals, the Nazis, enslaved millions upon millions during the 20th century.

          • nwmhqqty

            A fair point, although it should be noted that it was the most Christian elements of these societies that pushed for abolition. It was the northern churches in the US, for instance, who led the charge.

          • Micheal.OMalley

            Christianity began the abolition of slavery in the 9th century. Only in Christian dominated cultures did abolition movements arise over and over again. The anthropological foundation of slavery is the same foundation as that of human sacrifice and kingship. In retrospect the answer is clear, first human sacrifice needed to be undermined and abolished by Christianity. Thereafter Christianity could move on to undermining and abolishing slavery and kingship. Next up: capital punishment and abortion..

          • Taniwha

            Because Christianity is not a country. Wow— what a dumb question…

        • G Money

          “There are probably plenty of single mothers who’d be happy to sleep with you if you’d pay a babysitter and take her out to dinner”

          So what your saying is men should pay single mothers so they will have sex with them? Feminism certainly is a progressive way of thinking.

          • http://twitter.com/TheAnalysisGuy Carl Bennett

            Yes, and obviously them being paid to have sex with you wouldn’t be prostitution. A marvellous thing, neo-feminisim. It means anything you want it to mean.

          • Brian Williams

            No, she’s saying that only a complete loser, worthless piece of shit needs to pay money for sex as a transaction. Someone who regards a woman as a piece of meat, a more comfortable version of a hand, someone who would probably be a necrophile if the corpse was warm enough.

          • Naz420

            LOL

            Women who hire men to do some manual work like laying brick view them as labour meat… you complete tit.

          • DENIZ

            LISTEN YOU FEMINIST SACK OF SHIT ! MAYBE ONLY A COMPLETE LOSER WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT NEEDS TO TAKE MONEY FOR SEX AS A TRANSACTION ! ! WHY ALWAYS BLAME THE MAN ??

        • Fergus Pickering

          Is it easy to get free sex. I am a seventy-yea old hunchback with bad breath and I’m into s/m. Where do I go?

          • Red_Right_Returning

            On-line, baby–it’s all on the World Wide Web!

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            Men are a cancer.

          • Red_Right_Returning

            “Women–can’t live with ’em…pass the beer nuts.”
            –Norm Peterson

          • Jesse

            I find it appalling, disgusting, and very offensive that you make these statements about men. No one should harbor people who have views such as yours. To say that all men as a class are a cancer is not any different from saying that women are not worth more than their vaginas. The fact that you can say these things and not be chased out of town by feminists shows how confused and at times plain old wrong many feminists are.

            The idea that women are not worth more than their vaginas leads women, along with other factors, to enter prostitution. And the idea that men are a cancer creates a climate in which men are not given a chance, and some of these men get fed up with being told they are worthless sub-humans and they decide to pay a woman for sex because no one will give them a chance, people just assume they are rapes waiting to happen. And you can think whatever the F you want about this last point, it won’t legitimize the hateful and sexists things you have said, so don’t waste your time challenging this one side point unless you want to concede the first point.

            It is truly deplorable that such sexist, counter-productive, and incredibly ignorant and hateful things are not being derided and refuted and ultimately eliminated. People on this comment page should think about double standards and if they are letting these disgusting things remain unchallenged because the one saying them is apparently female.

            You are judged by the company you keep, feminists. Don’t blame anyone but yourself for shooting yourself in the foot.

          • lin

            what?? u are obviously a depressing moron, do u really think men as a class pay for sex because some women acknowledge that they are a cancer? NO MORON, MEN ABUSE AND RAPE WOMEN AND “PAY” FOR SEX BECAUSE THEY ARE A CANCER. END OF STORY, its NOT WOMEN FAULT THAT MEN ARE A CANCER< ITS JUST WHAT MEN ARE.

          • lin

            ssorry if that just “broke ur illusions of prince charming” wake up bitch

          • DENIZ

            LIN SEEMS TO BE RETARDED FEMINIST WHORE WHO HASNT HAD A CUSTOMER IN A LONG WHILE ,THE COBWEBS UP HER CUNT PROVE IT !

          • DENIZ

            IT IS FEMINISTS LIKE YOU WHO ARE A CANCER JUST CAUSE A MAN PAYS FOR SEX DOESNT MEAN HES A ABUSER ITS NOT THE MANS FAULT IF A WOMAN ACCEPTS MONEY FOR SEX ! IF YOU LACK THE BRAINS TO UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE FACT ITS YOUR FAULT AND NOT MENS ! YOUR ADVANCED STAGE OF RETARDATION IS A CLEAR SYMPTOM OF A FEMINISM ADDLED MIND

          • Terry Ruscoe

            So, If Christ was a man opposed to a cancer and “true” Christianity is love and acceptance opposed to hate and discrimination; and Mary Magdalene was a prostitute but neither discriminated, judged nor a cancer to Jesus. Then the significant amount of time he spent with her was probably not about sex or compensation or opportunity; but about acceptance and love and understanding. Something that all of us require and that some of us will always be willing to pay for.

          • lin

            Yes , men are a cancer, never heard anyone put it better. GREAT WISE ACKNOWLEDGING TRUTH SPEAKING WORDS.

          • DENIZ

            FEMINISTS LIKE YOU ARE THE CANCER I HOPE RETARDED FEMINIST ANIMALS LIKE
            YOU ARE LOCKED UP N A CAGE AND KEPT AS FAR AWAY FROM HUMANS AS POSSIBLE
            .FEMINIST PARASITES LIKE YOU BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU .YOU SHOULD
            BE STERILIZED AND DESTROYED

          • DENIZ

            FEMINISTS LIKE YOU ARE THE CANCER I HOPE RETARDED FEMINIST ANIMALS LIKE YOU ARE LOCKED UP N A CAGE AND KEPT AS FAR AWAY FROM HUMANS AS POSSIBLE .FEMINIST PARASITES LIKE YOU BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU .YOU SHOULD BE STERILIZED AND DESTROYED

        • futurepocket

          Your whole statement is contradictory so I won’t even get into arguing with you because clearly you’re too stupid to argue with. How is it “free” sex if I’m paying for a baby sitter and dinner? At least when I pay for a prostitute I get to bang a sexy model looking chick without having to deal with any of the illogical bullshit women bring into your life 🙂

          Stop thinking with your emotions; and let go of those feminist ideals because they’re all contradictory.

        • Naz420

          LOL

          Having to deal with women like you, know it all femin-nazis, is what makes prostitution flourish. No joke. Also single mothers like that is much worse than simply getting a hooker.

          You should consider religion, you are already a judgmental so and so.

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            Oh, look: another know-nothing male jackass.

          • Brendan

            You really need to get laid 🙂

        • Gene Novak

          Men go to prostitutes for multiple reasons, however a lot of times it comes down to wanting to have sex in a short time span with someone you find attractive without any drama. As a woman you can walk outside the door and ask anyone if they want to have sex and probably get it. For men it can take weeks and it isn’t free either. Hell celebrities go to prostitutes because it’s less trouble not because they can’t get anyone else.

        • Andreas Hammer

          Your assumption that women who sell sex openly must be drug addicted and abused by a her father is reprehensible and chauvinist, you should be ashamed.

        • DENIZ

          VISITING A PROSTITUTE IS NOT ABUSE !! U R A FEMINUT IF U THINK THAT AND COME TO THINK OF IT THERE ARE LAWS TO PROTECT WOMEN FROM MEN ABUSING THEM BUT NO LAWS PREVENTING WOMEN FROM ABUSING AND MANIPULATING MEN

        • kiannafleur

          Ugh!!! As a young single mother men approached me aggressively. The first time it happened, I thought making it known that I was a mom would discourage the guy… complete opposite! He became more aggressive, and downright nasty – “I know you want sex.” Men have this stupid idea that single moms are always horny. Bullshit. I’d never voluntarily have sex with a loser at any price.

      • Bill L

        Dude, you seem to have given all this way, way too much thought. Methinks you may have a few unnatural urges of your own behind all that intense rationalization…

        • Mistie Holler

          I’m not saying anyone here – nope, no one at all – fits this bill, but a lot of men defend sleeping with prostitutes because they have deep-seated sexual issues or are unattractive to women (yet most likely have a sense of entitlement to our bodies).
          But hey, I’m just a ‘femi-nutsie’. I don’t know anything about compulsive mascu-bators.

          • MolonLabe

            I’m a straight male and never have I considered hiring a prostitute, and I never will. I’m insulted by all the idiots who claim it’s just “something men do”, as if the urge to solicit prostitutes is a universal constant, as inexorable as the sunrise. Bull. Men are born with urges, yes, but they are also born with free will and the option of self-control. To perpetuate a heinous system, supporting gang crimes and human trafficking for the sake of a few squirts? Pathetic. Johns should be branded with scarlet Js.

          • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

            Shut the fuck up you emasculated mangina faggot.

          • Brian Williams

            He was absolutely right, and you have an appropriate last name, because it’s clearly what you think with. Which is it with you? Are you a pimp, or just plain crap-ugly with halitosis?

          • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

            Lol, more retarded crap spewing out of the vagina of another submissive mangina faggot. Did your mother rape you repeatedly with her cookware? Was your father as big of a pussy as you are? The answer to both of these questions is likely “of course”, but, either way, they’re ultimately responsible for the genetic sack of shit that turned out to be you.

            Lmfao at how much of an impotent faggot you are. You even think like a woman. “OMGLOLZ U MUST BE UGGGGLY ANF CAN’T GET WOMEN!” or some variation thereof is your moronic response to everything that challenges your retarded worldview. lol

          • DF

            The “mangina faggots ” are getting more attractive by the minute!

          • DENIZ

            YOU SEEM TO BE A SLIMY FEMINIST PIECE OF SHIT HIDING BEHIND A MALE NAME ! NICE TRY BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT FOOLS ITS EASY TO CATCH YOU NO SANE MAN WOULD EVER SAY THE THINGS U SAID ONLY A RETARDED SACK OF SHIT FEMINIST WOULD !!

          • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

            Or, men defend prostitutes because they know that prostitutes are the only honest women in existence.

          • Brian Williams

            Or men defend prostitutes because they know that without them they don’t have a hope in hell of getting a shag with a human

          • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

            Appeal to emotion rather than any sort of rational thought whatsoever. You’re clearly a pathetic moron with no valuable input to offer the world.

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            And men are a bunch of violent criminals, rapists and liars.

          • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

            Wrong. Women, in fact, are stupid, dishonest, generally unethical, violent, and totally and utterly worthless in ever regard excepting their ability to take dick. It’s the way of the universe, you dumb cunt. Cry about it and hope a man consoles you. lol

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            Aww, that’s all you’ve got? Wow, how boring. LOL

            The vast majority of men are a waste of time and a waste of flesh. Thanks for proving it yet again… I wasted 30 seconds responding to your stupid ass.

          • DENIZ

            YOU COULD VE MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL AND SUCKED HIS DICK FOR 30 SECONDS THAT WAY YOU WOULDN’T HAVE WASTED 30 SECONDS FEMTARD !

          • DF

            Why so much hate Butt?

          • DENIZ

            WHY DONT YOU ASK THE SAME TO THE DISGUSTING FEMINIST CUNTS CRAWLING AROUND THIS FORUM ???? OH YOU WONT YOU ARE ONE OF THEM !!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WTHOMHZSMJDKIBZ7CNEPYNWJVM Bob B

        Nevada’s brothels haven’t experienced this problem. The only ones being exploited there are the guys going…

        • Mistie Holler

          Men who visit brothels are not exploited. They are paying for a service. If you think they pay over the odds for what they get, they choose to do it entirely of their own free will and your argument depends really on how much you personally think some time spent using another person’s body for your own gratification is worth.

          • DENIZ

            200 $ FOR SOME WHORE IS EXPLOITATIONS ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST WHORES ARE WORTH MORE LIKE 30 – 50 $

      • Guest

        Did you even read the article???

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ashley-Moreno/100003139090333 Ashley Moreno

        Wow– no wonder you’re single!

      • H E

        I ran away from a care home at the age of 13. I had already experienced sexual abuse and thought that after a pimp had picked me up and had me out prostituting, this is what men did. I had so little value for myself, I didn’t think I had the right to say, “No”. I was a child and had been let down by my parents (Bless them, I love them dearly), the social services, the legal system and now men in society. I’ve met thousands of prostituted women, most have been abused as children. Not one of them wanted to remain in prostitution. Imagine six men a night, every night, fat, thin, clean, dirty, toothless, B.O. etc. who with an ounce of self worth would want that lifestyle? Most have drug problems or/and pimps. It’s basically the job of an actress. I hated all the men I went with. I thought they were pathetic individuals cheating on their wives, as most of them were.

        Brothels? They’re illegal in this country. Go to youtube and look at the arrests the UK police have made of traffickers and the poor women forced to work for them. In a modern society, men should take responsibility for their sexuality and not masturbate inside a body of a vunerable or marginalised person.

        • DENIZ

          SLIMY FEMINIST LIAR MAKING UP STORIES AS USUAL !

          • Kristina

            You’re disgusting, Deniz, and no one should listen to your crap.

      • Brian Williams

        You are the problem and others like you – your selfishness causes untold misery and you disgust me.

      • SallyBoo

        Marriage is not prostitution as neither partner is obliged to provide sex for the other. This is shown by how many people who have sexless marriages.

        Prostitution is a nasty business because it eradicates consent. Men are paying women so that they do not have to get their freely given consent.

        As for your remark about what sex is for many man, if it is true then it simply degrades men and makes you all like animals. If it’s a fact of your existance then you should try to rise above it.

        • DENIZ

          are you for real or a monkey playing with a key board OH WAIT YOU ARE A FEMINIST WHO IS SHARING HER LOGIC !!

      • DF

        Spoken like a client who does not want to feel responsible for the misery and dehumanization he’s causing and contributing to.

      • DOROTHYHERSELF

        Slavery has “always” existed. Every single developed society has relied on a slave class – a class of people who will do the unpaid boring labour that no one else wants to do and do it for nothing. Shall we keep slavery as well because it has “always” existed?

        Anyway prostitution hasn’t always existed. It has only existed since the rise of male supremacy, which hasn’t actually existed all that long in terms of how long human beings have been on the planet.

      • lin

        u are a fool, cant u not see that the experiment of prostitution didnt work? just like communism, DID NOT WORK, that MEANS U AND OTHER RAPIST ARE WRONG, GO RAPE URSELF LOSER FOOL

        • DENIZ

          PROSTITUTION HAS BENN WORKING FINE EVER SINCE HUMANITY EXISTED !! WHICH WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN FEMTARD ??? OOPS I FORGOT YOU ARE A RAPE FANTASIZING FEMINIST LIVING IN HER CUCKOO WORLD , YOUR RAPE FANTASIES WILL NEVER COME TRUE AND YOU WILL DIE WITH COBWEBS IN YOUR CUNT !! YOU CAN NEVER GET A MAN TO RAPE YOU NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY ! CAUSE YOU ARE TOO UGLY TO BE RAPED !

    • http://twitter.com/PiratesHalfFull Joseph!

      There is the possibility to do it right. See Nevada.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenneth-James-Abbott/661683861 Kenneth James Abbott

        Like in the Netherlands, the vast majority of prostitutes in Nevada are still illegal….

        …and are still slaves.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

          You are a lie. if you are 18 then you choose to be a prostitute you are not a slave. Any of those women could go to a police station and file a restraining order, get welfare/food stamps and get of out the life style. They want easy money. They dont want to work at mcdonalds .

          • Fergus Pickering

            Nobody WANTS to work at Mcdonalds. You said prostitutes want easy money and suggest to them REALLY easy money. When you think of the ghastly people they have to have sex with it doesn’t sound easy to me.

          • Mistie Holler

            A lot of them are probably too strung out on drugs to work at McDonalds, because drug abuse and prostitution reinforce each other. Also, there’s a high correlation between childhood sexual abuse and sex work. Often, people who have been traumatised have a strong desire to repeat the trauma (I’m not intending to wade into the whole ‘should prostitution be illegal?’ question here). Not to mention the fact that you are glossing over the role of pimps in making sure women don’t leave prostitution even if they want to. Are all prostitutes slaves? No. But I’ll bet that a hell of a lot of them are slaves to something or someone, either a pimp or an old abuser.

          • DENIZ

            MAYBE THEY ARE DRUG ABUSER LOSERS WHO JUST WANNA GET HIGH AND GET FUCKED ,THEY MAKE MONEY FOR FREE DOING NO WORK WHILE GETTING SEX ! AND ITS ONLY MEN WHO HAVE TO PAY FOR SEX WOMEN GET IT FOR FREE

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeannie.butler.73 Jeannie Butler

        Is paying for sex ever right? I have been there, and there is nothing as degrading as feeling like a piece of meat. what I did was my choice but it was the wrong one, it took me a long time to see that but I did. Prostitution brought a lot of despair to my life, it was like a spider web, once I was in I was tangled in it’s webs. I was addicted to drugs, money, the streets, and in ways even the abuse. I am now out of it but I am one of the few who ever escape. I am now learning to live life to it’s fullest. There are so many things in life to do other than sell my ass, mouth or pussy. How can any person ever say this is an acceptable way of life? Would this be something you would want to see your mother, daughter, sister, wife, granddaughter, or even your grandmother doing ?????? Or how about this, your SON, BROTHER, FATHER, GRANDSON, or yes your GRANDFATHER?????????????

        Hows that idea set with you not well I bet. A human is just that regardless of what we have between our legs none of us should have to do degrading things and no one should be asked to.!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Get real there is no way to do it right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shefali-OHara/100000539994086 Shefali O’Hara

          Good for you for getting out!

        • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

          So what your saying is that humans dont have a right to sell their labour or their own bodies? You are taking away peoples human rights in order to force your ideas of morality. If someone wanted to pay me for sex i wouldn’t feel degraded. I would feel like i was taking advantage of that person. oh but i forget , women never enjoy sex, its just the terrible terrible men who force them to do it right?

          • Dena De Clute

            If you cannot recognize the difference between selling your labor versus selling sex (essentially unlimited access to your body), then you reveal more about your own character than the reformed prostitute’s above. The difference is evident to anyone with even the most limited powers of observation: crime, physical abuse, and drug abuse are widespread and obvious within the prostitution industry, whereas they are NOT prevalent in, say for example, the residential construction industry. People who labor for a living by laying bricks, floating sheetrock, installing floor tiles, etc. typically do not have to endure the kind of violence and degradation that prostitutes do. Have you never asked yourself why?? Your sarcasm about women never enjoying sex is equally revealing of your naïveté. Do you actually believe that prostitutes generally join the sex industry because they enjoy sex?? I’ll spare you a litany of obvious analogies that prove your logic wrong; I’ll merely point out that when a person has next-to-no options or resources (being born into poverty, being an unwilling teenage mother, having no reasonable access to secondary education, job training, etc.) they will often do something in desperation they would not normally do – even things they absolutely despise – in order to survive, especially if other people depend on them as well. To the willing, happy, well-adjusted prostitutes with good access to health care, high OSHA workplace standards, adequate child-care, and good HR benefits…I wish them well. It’s the others we’re trying to protect here.

          • http://twitter.com/jimbuttpoop Jim Butt

            Lmfao!!! That post was a bigger pile of horseshit than one could find at a ranch. What a stupid cunt completely delusional about the world you are.

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            Asshole.

          • DF

            Ok, get plucked and made up and sell yourself then!

          • DENIZ

            WHY SELL YOUR SELF WHEN YOU CAN BUY WHORES LIKE DF AND RESELL THEM !! HO HOO

          • DENIZ

            FINALLY A SANE AND LOGICAL VOICE IN PMS ADDLES FEMINIST BABOON LAND !!

        • DENIZ

          TYPICAL FEMINIST MORON ! HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT WHAT YOUVE WRITTEN ?? ” have been there, and there is nothing as degrading as feeling like a piece of meat.” IF YOU FEEL LIKE A PIECE OF MEAT DONT DO IT ITS THAT SIMPLE !! WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DICTATING TO OTHERS YOU FEMTARD

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Noonan/100000355350670 Mark Noonan

        There is still a massive illegal prostitution problem here, though. The houses of ill fame are relegated to rural areas and its quite a trip…and so most prostitutes and their customers just don’t bother.

        • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

          The laws banning prostitutes in cities are just dumb. They should just ban them from going out on the street looking for customers. why would it matter if they had a brothel on the strip?

      • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

        Nope.

  • taytelbaum

    Are you saying the Dutch Government is ‘encouraging’ women even in the hardest of places?

  • Terence Hale

    Hi,
    Why even Amsterdam doesn’t want legal brothels. The Dutch are very simple people. Thinking, legalize prostitution and tax it then the economic problems are solved. Being “beste voorbeelden” good Europeans but in reality breaking every European law that gives.

  • http://twitter.com/ianwalkeruk Ian Walker

    It all reads like a failure of implementation rather than concept. Once you create the legal brothels, the next step is surely to vigorously prosecute the black market out of existence. But it sounds like it was just allowed to slip into anarchy, coupled with the mistake of having taxation from the start as a disincentive to legalise.

    What do you think will happen when the laws are revoked? That the problems will go away? Prostitution is illegal in the UK, yet we still have the trafficking, grooming gangs and violent pimps.

    • http://twitter.com/xsummerss Wendy

      Youre wrong. You have to vigurously prosecute both legal and black market, sextrafficked are often found in legal sexbusinesses. So, the sexindustry only expands when you legalise it. And you have to have enough police force plus money to tackle the growing market. Also, its very difficult to prosecute traffickers, pimps. Victims fear coming forward, are threatened etc. Men that buy sex are the motor, the demand for the market, so that needs to stop. I dont care if men can buy sex and have their needs met. The women shouldnt have to be there in the first place. Most are forced in Holland, which means many times a day these women are raped. That needs to stop.

      • http://twitter.com/ianwalkeruk Ian Walker

        Men, and women, have been buying sex in one form or other for the entire history of human civilisation, so your dream that the demand will somehow evaporate is totally unrealistic.
        Therefore we have to deal with the reality of the situation, which is that prostitution will exist for the forseeable future. Given that, it makes most sense to have a tightly controllled legal framework for the industry, with stiff penalties for transgression. The Dutch experiment was both weak on the control of the legal side, and weak on the prosecution of the illegal side.

        • kenroyall

          Those controls would depend on those in the trade reporting the abuses. They won’t do it if they are being intimidated by shady people. What are the police to do, install cameras in the sex rooms?

          Once an activity is legalized there is little concern for the people engaging in it. It all becomes a gray area. Figuring out which women are truly consenting to it and those that are not becomes nearly impossible.

          Most women, given other opportunities, would avoid renting their bodies to scumbags. It goes against their nature. Most taxpaying residents also don’t want brothels in their midst. It attracts the wrong element to the neighborhood.

          • Baron

            “Once an activity is legalized there is little concern for the people engaging in it. It all becomes a gray area.”

            Yes, that’s exactly what happened after the US repealed alcohol prohibition. It’s anarchy now. People make and sell untaxed beverages from their basement. Police turn a blind eye to underage use and drunk driving. If only proper regulation could follow legalization. But alas, it’s only fantasy

        • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

          Men are trash. You have proven it to me yet again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.hudson.946 Roger Hudson

    Wasn’t it the same with the legalisation of the drug cafe scene?

  • davidshort10

    I can’t see the point of having some lightweight article like this in a high-priced weekly like the Spectator, or is someone high up in the magazine interested in the business of ‘renting a vagina, anus or mouth?’

  • http://www.facebook.com/joel.lee.3979 Joel Lee

    Prostitution is part of the human mating ritual. This has been going on since the caveman time. That why it is called the world’s oldest
    profession. It must be engrained in our DNA. If you do not support your girlfriend or wife, then you will not get it. Most women will marry and date men that could support them. Many career women in their 30s and 40s are lonely because they refuse to pay for a relationship. We live in a society that views paying for sex or relationship as something evil. The police cannot win the war against prostitution because it is part of being human for most people. To declare war against something human is a losing battle. The only reason prostitution is illegal in America is because we are living in a sexual repressed
    culture. If you not convince, watch the sugar daddy/sugar babies videos under
    Brandon Wade’s YouTube account.

    • Fergus Pickering

      I am all for sexual repression. Why on earth do you assume that because you want to do something that makes it right. Rousseau-ist nonsense.

    • Mutant Lab Monkey

      “Prostitution is part of the human mating ritual. This has been going on since the caveman time. That why it is called the world’s oldest
      profession”. Actually, slavery is probably older than prostitution and the two things have certainly been historically linked. Once upon a time people tried to make the same sorts of arguments about slavery being “natural” and “necessary”, too. We don’t tend to buy those as much today.
      “We live in a society that views paying for sex or relationship as something evil. The police cannot win the war against prostitution because it is part of being human for most people”. Quite simply, commodifying women’s bodies undermines their ability to be perceived as fellow human beings. The idea that prostitution is “part of being human” is ridiculous, and absolutely steeped in entitlement. What’s more, the countries where the war against it is not “a losing battle” are actually those who have introduced the Nordic Model, which only criminalises the buyer.
      Also, maybe if women (and men) were not raised in a culture which constantly suggests that a woman’s “value” is highly dependent on being able to please a man, and that her sexuality, no matter how it manifests, is something to be shamed for from some angle – slut, prude, tease and on and on. – maybe if women were simply allowed to be and be seen as human beings, the disparities in sexual desire, and the buyer/seller model of sex, might even disappear. Either way, the idea that this is all “natural” and not culturally informed is the height of intellectual laziness.

    • kenroyall

      Prostitution is not part of the mating ritual. You can meet someone, fall in love and marry without prostitution being involved. Just because a man or woman may pay certain bills as part of a life partnership doesn’t mean it is prostitution. By that standard all human interactions are prostitution.

      We won’t every abolish murder or theft entirely, but that doesn’t mean we should embrace them as being part of a civil society. I wouldn’t wish a life of prostitution on any woman, it is a horrible thing. There are several documentaries on the subject, I suggest you view them. Former prostitutes and porn stars telling their sad tales.

    • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

      You are a piece of trash.

  • Frank the Tank

    “But only 5 per cent of the women registered for tax, because no one wants to be known as a whore — however legal it may be.”

    Implying that legalisation only affected 5% of woman prostitutes?

  • Frank the Tank

    gfdffghj

  • http://www.facebook.com/aldafa Alda Facio

    I hurt for all the women who have been so damaged by this experiment but hope that this experience will be a lesson for other States not to imitate this failed experiment.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

      how is it a failed experiment? You are trying to deny people the human right of owning their own bodies.

      • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

        Piss off, troll.

        • DENIZ

          WOW WHAT A LOGICAL FEMINIST ARGUMENT !!

  • http://twitter.com/heraclesblack Heracles Black

    Well-written.

  • David Lindsay

    A hugely important article. Thank you so much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Booth/557716785 Eric Booth

    Perhaps the ladies should become well paid civil servants and government run bordellos/brothels become the only legal place to get laid? Union wages, pension plan, good working conditions, annual vacation time, extended medical, right to strike? One thing is certain, the world’s oldest profession isn’t going to be going calmly into the night…

    • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

      …says the smug, entitled white male.

  • http://twitter.com/Francostars1 Franco

    Prohibition is the water of mafia fish and it is better to avoid it where it is possible as the paying sex among adult and consentient people. Moreover, it is better to legalize and tax prostitution to cope with the World Wide Crisis.

  • StephanieJCW

    “But only 5 per cent of the women registered for tax, because no one wants to be known as a whore — however legal it may be.”

    Ha ha ha! You really think that’s the reason? It’s more likely that people who can avoid paying tax, generally tend to. My housemate is a sex worker in one of Queensland’s licensed establishments and she doesn’t declare her earnings. Not because she’s ashamed of what she does (she isn’t) but because she wants to keep her money out of the hands of the ATO. At least for now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thaddeus.blanchette Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette

    I would suggest that people read Mr. Douglas Fox’s pondered and well-informed critique of Ms. Bindel’s allegations here: http://harlotsparlour.com/2013/02/04/julie-bindel-loving-sex-work-not-in-the-spectator/

  • willisforster

    Prostitution is legal in certain areas in Nevada and has never been a problem for the women or the customers. It is not legal in Las Vegas and is sometimes a problem there.

    • http://twitter.com/PiratesHalfFull Joseph!

      Spot on. It is legal in counties that are under the population cap. It is a tightly regulated venture with quite the incredible track record for cleanliness and safety. It’s a problem in Las Vegas because it’s illegal and thus unregulated. Since mandatory testing was instituted in the 80’s there hasn’t been a positive HIV test by a prostitute in a legal brothel. Their STD rates are also much, much lower than the female average in America. Finally, they are considered private contractors and have the power over the brothels so the idea of an abusive pimp is non-existent.

      It works here, partly because of the small population in the areas they are legal and also because of the tight regulations they’re subject to. It’s possible to legalize it and have it not all go to hell, but it takes some real effort, not just a lifting of the criminal penalties and placement of a tax.

    • kenroyall

      There is no enterprise in existence that has “never been a problem”. Your assertion is absurd on its face. Of course there have been problems, you are either choosing to ignore them or are not aware of them.

      Here’s a start, there is much more:

      http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/nevadas-legal-brothels-are-coercive-too

  • LeoLeoLeo

    Propaganda from a frightened feminist. There’s no way that recriminating the trade will do any good now. At least the Dutch have given reform a go, in the complete hope that it will do good. The only way forward is through some way of legalising the industry or we’ll all be stuck with the same putrid trade which has been going on for years. If the Dutch government can only improve on what its done already and remove those who make the industry SO bad, the industry WILL itself die out.

    • kenroyall

      The “industry” IS bad at it’s core, that is the point. You can’t “clean up” which is inherently immoral and revolting. The people who are attracted to this “trade” are either desperate victims (the women) or those looking to exploit the desperate (the pimps).

      Then you have the “customers”. I sure as hell wouldn’t want them wandering the streets around here, looking for a human receptacle. How do the young women who aren’t selling their bodies avoid harassment? Do you really believe these women want to be doing this?

  • Kristina

    Wow, I am appalled by so many comments here! Don’t you people realize that most prostitutes do so because of coercion and desperation!? Women don’t want to sell their bodies to 20 different men a night, most of them feel they have no choice! And most of them ARE underage! Are you missing the whole issue of sex trafficking? Most humans trafficked are young children because men have become so depraved that they want to have sex with children. We help rescue homes for victims of sex trafficking with some starting as young as 4yrs old. That’s horrific. It’s. Ridiculous to think legalizing prostitution is going to keep anyone from trafficking little girls and boys. The comments here sadden me and make me realize just how debased the minds of our society are. Not only do so many do these atrocities but so many approve of it. It sickens me.

    • warbling j laskitude

      oh please dear person, you, you more than all who speak here, seem to have been swallowed completely whole by neo-feminism and its wholly pernicious, ritual discourse of “trafficking”, a word that, much like “evolution” can mean almost anything at all, and thus serves as the utmost handmaiden to political agenda(s) of every stripe worlwide. I sincerely, openly invite you to spend some serious time in the archives of retired sex-worker and self-described ‘archeo-feminist’ Maggie McNeill’s blog http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/ ; her unremitting campaign to overturn this freedom-defeating talk has borne enormous fruit already, the site receiving some 760, 000 visits last year alone.. Ms Bindel, i do not see a single source supplied for any of the ‘information’ you lavish on so thickly here, save for the esoteric opinion of some acad-anaemic “expert in the sex trade”, holed up in a university somewhere.. here’s a great introductory example of what Ms McNeill is capable of http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/thought-experiment/

      • Kristina

        The only proof I need is the little girls who live 20 miles from my house who are in a protected rescue home because they were taken from from the street and sold by men as sex slaves. They are children who were forced and coerced and were not finding so-called freedom or liberation in selling their tiny little bodies to men. I don’t give a rip about your $5 words or your website or your opinion for that matter.

        • warbling j laskitude

          from both the tone of your initial comment and your response above i am getting no real reason yet to actually believe the story you tell, and i would now politely ask,, that if you really care to enlighten one you think to be in the dark, you can supply verifying details concerning it?

          • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

            Piss off, troll.

        • fr0thing

          And where was the girls’ father or mother? They should have been protecting them. Where are the parents? The problem is not society, it is irresponsible parents and a government that does not care.

          • Kristina

            The article CLEARLY states that thus experiment in legalizing prostitution in an attempt to help fix the PROBLEMS blew up in their faces and that it only INCREASED the amount of violence and degrading treatment of women, that sex tourism boomed as men came seeking VERY YOUNG girls, preferably virgins, that that girls in the windows appear to be VERY YOUNG. And that the government virtually HELPED traffickers in their disgusting efforts to sell young girls for sex. The majority of these girls have been coerced and the use of force is on them. Anyone which thinks having a pimp is like having a manager is ignorant and blind to the brutality that is the sex industry. One commentor wanted “proof” that girls are being trafficked for sex, like it’s all make believe. Give me a break!! Open your eyes, take a trip to the Phillipines and see how young the girls are that men are selling in brothels! Go to http://www.ijm.org and read the pages and pages of stories of children who are rescues from this type of slavery. It’s ridiculous to fight over whether legalizing prostitution is good or not. The TRUTH is that men are desiring more and more young girls, virgins, and if prostitution is legal there is no way to regulate which girls are “of age” and which aren’t. It just fuels the problem, as we see happened in Amsterdam.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jasmine-Howell/100000711064277 Jasmine Howell

          Kristina, sounds like what happened to these little girls is very sad and also completely illegal. Are you under the impression that the commentors on this board are in favor of legalizing child prostitution?

    • Libertarian

      How is it exactly that men have “become” depraved?

      Do you not know that it was common practice to send male children to live with older married (to women) men who would instruct the boys in many ways. One of them being how to take the salami deep. Also soldiers would make love to each other when away on combat missions. See it was like how a lot of people today think about women having homosexual relations with other women while being in a relationship with a man….Essentially ok

      The Greeks were 2000 years ago. We haven’t become anything. We are just the same.

    • DENIZ

      THEN MAYBE MOST RAPISTS do so because of coercion/provocation and desperation ? YOU FEMINIST BASTARDS ALWAYS JUSTIFY SHIT DONE BY FEMALES,MAYBE WOMEN BECOME WHORES CAUSE ITSD EASY MONEY AND THEY TOO LAZY TO WORK OR THEY ARE DRUG ABUSERS WHO WANT TO GET HIGH EVER THOUGHT OF THAT ?? MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE WOMENARE SO DEPRAVED THAT THEY DO THIS !!
      AND HEY FEMTARD I REPEATEDLY HEAR OF WOMEN HAVING SEX WITH CHILDREN , ONE EVEN GOT PREGNANT WITH A 12 YR OLD BABY AND THEY ALWAYS GET AWAY EASILY HOWEVER
      THERE ARE SEVERE LAWS AGAINST CHILD ABUSE WHICH ONLY PUNISH MEN FOR FCKING A CHILD , MAYBE LACK OF STRICT LAWS AGAINST FEMALE ABUSERS IS MAKING THE DEPRAVED AND CRIMINAL THIS IS WHAT IS DEBASED AND SICK IN SOCIETY !

      BIGOTED RAMPANT FEMINAZISM IS A CANCER TO HUMANITY

      • Kristina

        OK so I’m confused a little by your use of all caps and your poor sentence structure. But I think I get the gist of what you’re saying. Anyhow, I believe that men and women should be held equally accountable for sexual abuse of children. There’s no reason why men should get harsher punishments than women when it comes to the exploitation of children. But you’re obviously not living in reality if you think that women are sexually abusing children at the same rate as men! Men out number women in sex trafficking, soliciting prostitutes, rape, and the like across the globe. That’s not bigoted feminism, that’s just the facts. Believing that women should NOT sell their bodies for sex is also not bigoted feminism. In fact, most feminist in our society (which I am NOT) would say that prostitution should be legal because it’s a woman’s right to choose whether or not she wants to be a prostitute. I disagree.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeannie.butler.73 Jeannie Butler

    I am a woman not a car,not a motel room you can not rent me! I am a woman not a article of clothing, not a house you can not buy me. I am to be loved, respected, protected, and cherished!! do not treat me like trash for I am not, do not treat me as I am less than you for I am not. Treat as you would your wife, your daughter, your mother or, your grandmother. Would you as a man want to be treated the way some of you treat us women, to be beat, raped, degraded and used. Treat as a fellow human being who’s life is just as precious as your. Pleas just treat us with kindness and respect, and we will do the same.
    from a ex-working girl.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

      Its called a service of labour. Just like you pay someone to mow your yard or give you a message or clean your teeth. Your not renting that person, they are not an object, you are purchasing their labour. Everyone has a right to sell their labour. Get over it.

      • Hosius11

        You really are evil to describe sexuality so tritely. You’re also blind not to recognise how much violent abuse of minors and coercion is involved in the sex trade.

        • http://profiles.google.com/chris2fm chris moran

          I haven’t seen him ‘not recognise’ anything of the sort – I have seen him try to explain his opinion about one simple fact: prostitution is a service industry. Yes, there is atrocious abuse of (some of) the participants, and yes, governments have failed to produce a workable support system for those who are victims of the intolerable degradation and violence that attaches itself to the industry but that’s no excuse to call him evil. In a perfect world, fat, ugly, dirty, sweaty men with no social skills would be able to ‘hook up’ and find a sexually gratifying relationship. But even Saturday night slappers draw the line somewhere. There are unrealistic views being expressed on both sides here. We don’t all look like Brad Pitt, and we don’t all have the knack of picking up young, attractive, single ladies. Conversely, not all prostitutes look like Belle de Jour.

      • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

        Drop dead, you abusive asshole.

  • Ted Stein

    This article makes no sense. You wrote these two sentences in the same article:

    > [Under legalization, policing has gone] completely out of the picture, it was easier to break the laws that remained.

    > A third of Amsterdam’s bordellos have been closed due to the involvement
    of organised criminals and drug dealers and the increase in trafficking
    of women.

    Police don’t get involved, but they shut down one out of three? Huh.

    • Jhn1

      to Ted Stein
      > Police don’t get involved, but they shut down one out of three? Huh.

      Pretty obvious.

      They are not being shut down over (legal) prostitution.

      They are being shut down over drug sales or other organized crime behaviors.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jasmine-Howell/100000711064277 Jasmine Howell

        Part of reading is comprehension.

        The passage of interest is “it was easier to break the laws that remained.” Presumably “laws that remained” includes laws about drug sales or organized crime behaviors.

  • iconoclast

    Prostitution looked pretty legal back in the 1980’s and 1970’s. Women in windows, brothels, and streetwalkers were everywhere.

    Not that I partook, of course.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-DeVan/1534335366 Don DeVan

    I remember when there was a non-governmental organization that kept all this immoral debauchery in check and at the same time offered help and salvation to those who fell from grace. It was called the church…….too bad they have given over to hiding illegals, blessing anal marriage and molesting choir boys…..

  • sbark

    ……appears to be having the same effects on USA MSM media, who have been acting like prostitutes for Obama for nearly 5 yrs now…….

  • Pat

    folks need to relax – it’s just prostitution…… probably a great profession for a daughter – eh libs?

    (sarc)

  • fr0thing

    But, but, the left-wing feminists in the 70’s and 80’s said that prostitution was liberating for women, freeing them from the “shackles” of domestic life!
    Guess they were wrong – again.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jasmine-Howell/100000711064277 Jasmine Howell

      Glad you can feel smart by winning the argument with an imaginary person from fifty years ago. You probably thought Clint Eastwood kicked Obama’s butt at the RNC.

  • Evan Dickinson

    I don’t see why this is so different from porn.

    I think perhaps this article is exaggerating the problem.

    You shouldn’t describe this as a social experiment, this is merely people being allowed to do something they should have always been allowed to do.

    If that leads to issues, try to solve the issues. The odd action is not the legalization of it but the fact it was ever illegal.

  • undergroundman14

    The Dutch people need to be governed by the Germans since they are unable to govern themselves. The Netherlands has become a third world sh#thole due to the liberal left. It’s always about immigration and trying to destroy the ethnic and culture identity of Europeans. Legal drugs and prostitution are just two of the ways they go about it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sig.ruman Sig Ruman

    but, but, but… it is a victimless crime- US must be more like them! – love to hear Reason mag try to figure this one out

  • Attila

    Druggies and Hookers do so make a community desirable (maybe to Leftists).

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jasmine-Howell/100000711064277 Jasmine Howell

      Righties know the right way to have forced sex– they have multiple wives and rape their children in arranged marriages.

      • Attila

        Huh??
        Are you talking about Obama’s bloods and peeps in Cairo and Tehran? Or maybe his Taliban friends in Afghanistan who throw acid on the faces of women who dare to learn to read? Obozo and friends are about to deliver all Afghan women to the tender mercies of the Taliban. I bet that makes you feel real warm and smug inside, doesn’t it?
        It’s you and your Leftist Ilk who are enabling the Islamo-Fascists who do exactly what you describe to women (but you won’t hear anything about it from Liberals). The only women you care about are white, privileged ones like Sandra Fluke.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rusty-Shackelford/1434757800 Rusty Shackelford

    I love it when people are shocked when bad ideas turn out to be, well, bad ideas.

    Just because you legalize something doesn’t mean you remove the criminal element from it. They will find other ways to profit, such as sex slavery. I get the whole idea behind “if you can give it away why can’t you sell it”, but many of the same people who push this stuff actively support things that tear at the load bearing walls of society. Some people are trying to have sex declared as a “human right”. I wonder if they will offer their wives or daughters to those otherwise unable to obtain sex?

    • colorful patriot

      Obama will enforce it through his “Fair Share” doctrine

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jasmine-Howell/100000711064277 Jasmine Howell

      Nobody is forcing your wife or your daughter to become a banker or any other profession (including prostitution). If you think you’re somehow helping people by locking them up or taking away their choices then you are simply exercising tyranny over their personal freedoms.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rusty-Shackelford/1434757800 Rusty Shackelford

        Nice straw man argument. I’m simply pointing out that just because you legalize something doesn’t mean you remove the criminal element, in this case the gangs that traffic in these women. In some cases it’s probably worse because there is a lot of money to be made. Would you not agree that what is going on in Amsterdam is an unintended consequence of legalization? That perhaps the sex slavery aspect of things would not be so robust if prostitution was illegal and thus had to be kept more underground? And while nobody is forcing MY wife or daughter into prostitution, based on the article, wives and daughters of others ARE being forced to either enter the business or stay in the business.
        Your last sentence is pure solipsism – if somebody’s choices/behaviors harm others, locking them up or some lesser form of punishment is not exercising tyranny over their personal freedoms. Freedoms include the obligation to exercise them responsibly. Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins, to borrow a phrase.

  • Blair Mulholland

    What a ridiculous article! The whole point of relaxing the laws around prostitution was to ensure that sunlight would be a disinfectant! So now, because the worst parts of the profession are more visible for it, the author suggests we should sweep everything back under the rug again! The logic does not follow.
    You cannot stop consenting adults from engaging in commerce with one another of their own free will. Nor should you.

    • kwaigonegin

      very naive of you.. on the surfaced your logic seems sound but the problem with it is in reality the ‘consenting adult’ part is a myth. It is more complicated that that.. The only ‘consenting’ adults usually involved are the pimps and the john. The women are essentially still slaves.. used and abused and passed from one criminal group to another .. the laws are protecting these men. In a ‘perfect’ world the prostitutes would work for themselves. No pimps or organized crime involve.. when that happens than you can truly say both consenting adults involved in free trade and commerce.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jasmine-Howell/100000711064277 Jasmine Howell

        The naive idea is that somehow you are “helping” a prostitute by putting her in a prison with other prostitutes and drug addicts.

        It’s not complicated. If they are not consenting it should be illegal, if they are consenting it should be legal.

        • kwaigonegin

          I honestly don’t know how or why you respond as such based on my comments. When did I say anything about prison ?!?! I am actually agreeing with you except it IS complicated! It is complicated because human beings are complicated. You can pass laws and policies that is simple and logical but it gets muddle as such in this case in Amsterdam. You can’t look at this world in black and white because it isn’t. To do so is naive. and BTW it is illegal to traffic young girls etc but guess what? it is still happening all over.

  • Azarkhan

    More proof that the European elite is brain dead:

    “Pimps, under legalisation, have been reclassified as managers and
    businessmen. Abuse suffered by the women is now called an ‘occupational
    hazard’, like a stone dropped on a builder’s toe. Sex tourism has grown
    faster in Amsterdam than the regular type of tourism: as the city became
    the brothel of Europe, women have been imported by traffickers from
    Africa, Eastern Europe and Asia to meet the demand. In other words, the
    pimps remained but became legit — violence was still prevalent but part
    of the job, and trafficking increased. Support for the women to leave
    prostitution became almost nonexistent. The innate murkiness of the job
    has not been washed away by legal benediction.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/martinofidaho Martin Hutchison

    But Hollywood tells us they are all just working their way through Law or Medical school…

    The Paulian Libertarians need to understand this and wake up. Any good Conservative (person?) has a Libertarian streak, but the Big “L” Libertarians need to realize that extremism in Libertarianism is a rotten road for any society that aspires to be a decent place to live, and being the party of choice for Pimps is a dead end road.

  • antifud

    So, there’s a problem with pimps, but you blame it on the prostitution?

    way to strawman that argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jasmine-Howell/100000711064277 Jasmine Howell

    Yep, in America we have zero problems with child prostitution and slave trafficking– it’s illegal so it never happens!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1487102434 Jim Culver

      That’s a nice non sequitur you’ve got there, but the question is not whether those things happen in countries where they’re illegal. The question is whether legalization has made them better- that was, after all, the main justification for legalizing prostitution in the first place. And the answer is a resounding no, legalization has made them worse.

  • JosePrima

    Underage runaways, forced prostitution, drugs and rough characters on the streets. Sounds like most big cities to me.

  • JosePrima

    Remember people, paying for sex is only legal if there’s a camera involved and you’re going to sell it later.

  • http://twitter.com/TheValueMajor The Value Major

    Yeah this story is mostly interesting because it shows how legalization has to be paired with the same level of police protection as other businesses have. I’m guessing that other businesses in Holland aren’t allowed to ‘not register for taxation’ or have incredibly dangerous working conditions. They also don’t allow coercion of migrant workers. It takes real effort to legalize a business that has already been infiltrated by gangsters… They don’t automatically disappear because the business is legal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mockbear Sean Brooks

    This article is dead wrong. This isn’t a problem about prostitution being legal, its that the police arnt enforcing the laws. Only 5% are estimated to have registered? Then go and check for a registration card and if they dont have one put them in jail. Underage girls? Bust the brothels/pimps involved and lock them in jail for 20 years. People selling sex in the street and not inside a brothel? Bust them and put them in jail for 5 years. Shut down the brothel the girl supposedly works at for allowing her to work outside the brothel.

    reguardless what you think about prostitutes, people own their bodies and have a human right to sell their labor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.keith1 Matthew Keith

    Has slavery and rape been legalised in Holland? No? Then the problem is one of enforcement, it’s not enough to make something legal it must well regulated or else the most ruthless elements will rise to the top.
    This sounds like the Dutch police are not doing their job. Not to have a go at the Dutch cops, like the British ones they seem friendly and approachable, but like ours they’re maybe a bit ineffectual.
    Pragmatic legalisation does not equal anarchy- Is the alcohol market in US run by gangsters since prohibition was lifted?
    I should mention however that slavery and rape are not specifically Dutch problems and is apparently widespread throughout Europe. I fail to understand why it is not one of THE highest priorities of police and politicians.

  • Guest

    Nice find. The author contests that street prostitution is illegal everywhere else in the world. In fact, it it legal, to various degrees in Germany, Australia, and New Zealand.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=4501116 Mikhail Bell

    I am glad to see that the author is addressing this issue. The author contests that street prostitution is illegal everywhere else in the world. In fact, it it legal, to various degrees, in Germany, Australia, and New Zealand.

    • ubisububi

      Prostitution is not illegal in Canada either, though soliciting and pimping are.

  • Guest

    my god, can NO ONE spell discreet these days??

  • BoiledCabbage

    The website Adultwork seems to enable pimp-free, casual prostitutes to find clients. Is this the better model for the sex-trade?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002906810958 David Smith

    “Amsterdam doesn’t want legal brothels” so now Julie Bindle is the
    spokesperson for Amsterdam? Just like feminists are the spokespeople for
    all women telling them what they can and can’t do with their own
    bodies. What happened to “my body, my choice”?

  • Hosius11

    Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboim where are you now?
    So also for London, San Francisco, Amsterdam and New York.

  • holy holian

    peace holy, i think ethnocentrism was hollands problem. thinking the world around them is as big as they are, not seeing the real size for what it is, so the outside tore through their plans of making good out of a bad happening & surely seems has made it worse as reports claim here. i’m mostly shown other places in world that its bad, 3rd world countries, not nations such as holland. they should back tract if they can, for it also seems its fueling worldwide human trafficing that seems to be on the upbound moreso then ever, even with news now reporting it moreso then ever, such as our mexican border, where its way out of hand reports claim. children being trafficed is also seemingly risen, not that its shown moreso today because of modern technology, but how that same technology is being used wrongly. like we read hackers recently broke into new york times workers emails system & stole all the passwords. why? is it to keep that kind of reporting away that this is about, human trafficing cause they are making so much money, or are they too threatened by weaponary, etc… & made to do so. we’re told chinese workers were made to do such by the military there, seeing 1.7 billion people, millions made to hack at one time seems does effect smaller nations, so can we produce safer technology freed from being used wickedly, i sure hope so hope sooner then hoped for.
    one would think the government would take responsibilty for such activity, instead of taxing it, be the pimp, & reform it as it goes on to being decent, for we all know sex exists for the purpose of producing children, not for having pleasure only from another, though the youth seem to not get that, for ignorance is a real happening, what one is born with. government could become a marriage arranger also, for such whom seek such out out of curiosity of what is it all about, for the fear of peers finding out their ignorance & maybe using them in such ways they can’t even think of, but surely fear of. that really seems to be some of the source of why thats happening, not just to make money, though that is also whats happening, to survive in not only a cruel world, but a cruel planet. for the world is judged by whom we are asto interacting with & what we produce, but the planet shows it also exists from beyond our own resources. the thundering freezing weather trying to ice us into oblivian for those venturing into climates where it snows, to sufficating heat in other climate areas. lets hope we can give a helping hand, & not a fist to harm, & bring an end to such appearing miseries, that also seem to be the souce of endless diseases brought forth from such activity. peace holy

  • Politbureau

    The only reason sex for money between consenting adults is illegal is because it threatens women’s sexual power over men.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1447134424 Michael Matalucci

    MEN ARE PIGS!!!!

  • Angloafricanaustrian

    I suspect that the law of unforeseen results following legalising prostitution would apply equally to legalising drugs in Britain.

  • Hogspace

    Bejesus where did so many nasty little hitlerite losers come out the woodwork from?
    Decriminalization of drugs and prostitution and a welcoming attitude to LGBT people has made Netherlands the finest country to live in the world. Only the deluge of Islamic religious cultists has recently damaged the tone of the place.
    Amsterdam is still a grrrreat place.
    Using pot, selling sex and paying for sex are basic human rights. Protection from religion and narrow minder fascists are basic human rights.
    If prostitution has gone astray on some of the streets then improve the legislation and improve the policing. 15 years ago the red light district was patrolled by male and female police with 3ft nightsticks. Woe betide anyone pimping or selling drugs on the street. Now they are nowhere to be seen, I suspect a conspiracy by the lunatic Mayor that ‘Dam is currently infected by.
    By definition if you condemn a prostitute or his/her client out of hand you are a nasty piece of shit.

  • Remittance Man

    Pimps, under legalisation, have been reclassified as managers and
    businessmen. Abuse suffered by the women is now called an ‘occupational
    hazard’, like a stone dropped on a builder’s toe.

    So the legislation was badly written and failed to offer the protections it promised. That’s not necessarily an indictment of the idea behind it, simply a condemnation of the Dutch lawmakers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

    Yet Germany has legalised brothels where they are taxed and subject to health checks. Is there a reason why Amerstdam has these problems and Germany seemingly does not ?

    • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

      They do.

  • tember2

    What about gays and lesbians? Are you suggesting a male-only brothel tailored to homosexuals is equally problematic?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=556901765 George Mortimer

    Wow, I live in Amsterdam and I have to say there is at least one piece of bullshit in every one of your paragraphs! It’s almost laughable. If I was to point out all the lies and fabrications written here, I’d be here all night. Here’s a good example, the “sleazy legal prostitution zone shut down under similar circumstances” in Den Haag (The Hague) was an ILLEGAL one, which became cleaned up after the legalisation. Shockingly poor article. So much lies, I don’t know where to begin..

  • phrage

    “I have never met one worker who didn’t have addiction problems, hadn’t experienced coercive/physically & emotionally painful sex, had an invalidating childhood, complex PTSD and had at least one abusive relationship. ” Is this not all of us – not just sex workers !

  • http://www.facebook.com/Secrios Sam Wilkinson

    What about the desperate virgins? Don’t they have a say?

    • NI MEN HAO-DY TRAMPOLINA

      NOPE.

  • justthefacts

    there are actually lots of places where street prostitution is legal. Just down the road in Austria for example

  • http://www.facebook.com/uzumcukivanc Kıvanç Üzümcü

    I believe it is not ONLY the government’s but ALSO society’s responsibility to ”completely” stop and put an end once and for all, to prostitution, whether it is in plain sight or in secrecy and coverage. Prostitution must come to a definitive end because even if it is allowed to be carried out & conducted in concealment, it is still there and taking place. The society is very much responsible for remembering this fact and begin to ”truly” care, not only for their own so callled dignity but also (or especially) for the women whom are being ”employed” in this flithy and dishonorable field of ”work”. Only masses gathering together can achieve it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/uzumcukivanc Kıvanç Üzümcü

    After reading some of the article, I notice that Dutch government offiaicals/politicians or whatever they are, sound like a bunch of big time scum of the Earth who do not seem to realize or comprehend the dignity of being a woman. You need not to be a feminist. You merely need to smarten up to envision this. Women whom work in prostitution shouldn’t be doing it, no matter what the excuse or the reason is. Many or most are helpless, if not all, which makes them poor victims of bullying, abuse and fear. Prostitution must be eliminated by being made illegal in all aspects and pimps, dealers and alike must be taken all of their ”rights” away in retaliation from the government so that women can be freed and scum can be punished.

  • http://www.facebook.com/uzumcukivanc Kıvanç Üzümcü

    There is no such thing as ”green prostitution!!.
    It is the same as suggesting green oil consumption. Cannot happen. Against its very nature.

  • Brian Williams

    Lets hope Holland also wakes up to the idea of not prosecuting people for telling the truth about violent misogynistic religions anymore. These wet, liberal, hyper-tolerant bien-pensants will destroy Europe.

  • Brian Williams

    Warning…. if you read further down these comments, you will be presented with the worst of male thinking (with some notable exceptions). It makes me ashamed to be male. I can see why so many feminists hate them.

    • DENIZ

      faggot ! ever tried to look at the worst of feminist non thinking and psychopathic hatred ?? o got ur head to farr up the feminist gutter choke on shit you fag

  • p3ace123

    I used to believe in harm reduction until I actually encountered people working in the industry and that challenged my pre-set beliefs. I think if i had based my beliefs on documentaries, or as a consumer, they might have remained the same, but being in the position to have collected life histories over the last few years, has really realised the cruelty or desperation and vulnerability in the majority of these workers. This does not mean that every single worker has these experiences, but most that I have encountered do, so require the protection of the law on their side. I thought many feminists were campaigning on a pro-sex side. This view isn’t from that position it is from talking to people in depth.

  • martin

    what lies and rubbish

  • http://www.facebook.com/helenfkiernan Helen Kiernan

    I know sex workers who like & enjoy their work & the main problem they have is that it is illegal. whatever the problems in Amsterdam, driving the sex trade back underground will not help anyone.

    • DF

      so sorry, it won’t help clients. Aww poor punters

  • Jesse

    So, I paid for your rehabilitation and drug addiction treatment, Ms Prostitute. Now that you are healthy, and can make your own decisions without coercion, I will not stand in your way if you choose to become a prostitute again.

    No one says this, and in this way, we can see that those who cannot get in through their thick skulls that someone’s body is THEIR body, and they may do things with it that you would rather they not do, but it isn’t YOUR Fing business what they do with their own body.

    “I pay her for sex.” Seems about the same as: “I pay for her education and drug addiction treatment, and since I did this, I am entitled to dictate to her how she should relate to her body and what she should do with it.”

    Be against prostitution, great! But don’t be against personal liberty and autonomy.

    But imagine this, what if there were no money? Would we have prostitution? You hear Hillary Clinton talk about helping women by regulating the industry, but what about ending economic inequality so no one is forced into prostitution? Well, she being a prostitute of the ruling class of billionaires, will likely not entertain this solution to the abuse of women worldwide. Actually, for a fact, she doesn’t. Lets stop running on a treadmill of shittier and shittier options. We need a revolution.

  • Martine Votvik

    People who can afford to spend money on prostitutes could’ve afforded to give that money to charity too…

  • real laplaine

    An excellent article. I recently spoke to a group about trafficking and my new book on the subject. One man asked, “what can I do about it” and my answer was “talk to others about it”. Articles like this one continue to help to stimulate and spotlight the subject.

  • Ciarraí

    My sister was formerly a prostitute, but she was an emotionally disturbed individual. Nonetheless, I still believe women should have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies. Why is hardcore porn legal, but prostitution isn’t? They should at least make it legal to be a prostitute, but illegal to be the client, that way prostitutes can go to the police if troubles arise.

  • 1DrFortuneMBezzla7

    Would be nice if there were some facts to support these assertions.

    There is not a single piece of evidence, in any paragraph, to verify any of these arguments. Not a single quote from any independent body. No crime stats, no health authority stats, no government bodies.

  • Andreas Hammer

    I love how these articles claim everything they want in the name of anti-prostitution without any refrence to any empirical data. But who cares right? This isn’t about what is best for the prostitute anymore, it’s what’s best for everyone else.

  • Didier Bois

    In Netherlands, from 1998 to 2013, there were 127 murders of
    prostitutes. By comparison during the same period from 1998 to 2013,
    there was only 1 single murder of a prostitute in Sweden. (1)

    And mortality by homicide prostitutes has even increased in the
    Netherlands since the legalization of brothels because from 1992 to
    2004, the number of murders of prostitutes in the Netherlands was 50
    prostitutes murdered. (2)

    (1) the official transcript of a hearing held in Northern Ireland
    :Official Report (Hansard), 09 January 2014, Committee for Justice : Human Trafficking and Exploitation, page 5 :
    “You quite rightly pointed out the tragedy of Petite Jasmine. That is a very sad case, and we are aware of it. It happened in Sweden, and, since 1998, it is the only example of a prostitute in Sweden being killed. In Holland in the same period — of course, as you know, prostitution in Holland has been entirely legalised and is controlled — there have been 127 murders of prostitutes. Given those statistics, why would prostitutes be safer if you made it totally legal?”
    http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/Documents/Official-Reports/Justice/2013-2014/140109_HumanTraffickingetcBill(InternationalUnionofSexWorkers).pdf

    (2) le Devoir, 4octobre 2010
    http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/actualites-en-societe/297396/decriminalisation-de-la-prostitution-un-choix-social-et-non-individuel

    • DF

      And the one murder of the Swedish prostitute may be unrelated to prostitution as she was killed by her (ex) boyfriend, The Swedish model is therefore infinitely safer compared to legalized prostitution wherever it exists.

      • Didier Bois

        Absolutely agree with you.

        concerning Jasmine. (the murder in Sweden), in the blog of her mother (in swedish), there you get a lot of information about the live of this poor girl. Her life was pretty fucked up when the lobby says the child was taken away because she was a prostitute this is just a lie.

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  • Stefan Hagen

    Utter Bullshit, the whole article. I was born and raised in Amsterdam. I’m guessing most of the people commenting on this article have never been here. It’s true that the profession as a whole has a bad reputation, but with legalization a lot of the crime surrounding it went away. The real problem is harddrugs, which is illegal here. That’s the trade where people get murdered daily, and causes problems not only here, but especially in the countries where it is produced. The criminals who exploited girls when prostitution was illegal, have moved to harddrugs, because now they have to show how much they pay the girls and how much they have to work for it. Also, renting out windows is the most common way for a manager to make money: They rent out rooms to self-employed prostitutes per day, at a rate that both parties make excellent money. Last but not least, a lot of the girls are dutch. Granted, most come from other countries, but I know a girl from high school, she is now a prostitute. She never went to college, but makes twice the money that I do. And she still says hi to me when she drives by in her Mercedes-Benz.

  • Marcel Roeper

    The truth is that most of the prostitutes in Amsterdam aren’t being trafficked. Experts say that >90% of the sex workers in Holland’s capital aren’t being trafficked.
    Just found an interesting site with relevant data on prostitution: http://www.amsterdamredlightdistricttour.com/information/prostitution-in-holland/

  • disqus_WnwOZURRVa

    I would like to see any proof that the above is not merely rumors and speculation. Anything at all. Links to studies or official statements or firsthand accounts. Yes? No? Nothing?

  • james peranteau

    First of all, to; “Jesus freek”, the oldest profession is…..ready for this?……Creator ! This is emphatically correct. Jehovah God is the first worker! His first “job”…creating His Beloved only Begotten Son Jesus Christ! And he also created the first….ready….end of work week! The first “job” ever held by a human was……ready….. Cultivator! This word does not mean; plower, seeder or anything which could cause a sweat. lol… It was husbandry in the easiest sence, pick fruit and veggies for eats, pick flowers to decorate your whatever(Eve’s ear)*smiles*…ect . After all, after being evicted God told Adam; “Because of your disowning me your God, you will toil in your sweat to till the land of for your sustenance”. Labor was a penalty for Adams sin. The actual second oldest profession of a human was….”Namer”…this is emphatically correct. Jehovah God in the Garden of Eden gave Adam the sole responsibility of naming all of the creatures great and small. Yep…and eventually naming Eve! Third “job” ever for a human….ready…making children…I in particular love this “job”…’will do for free ladies’! Anywho….”prostitution” does gain recognition as far back as “the less informed know”..the “bible”. My perception or advice with regard this profession would incite many and please yet another many. Put you gloves on when contending this issue! I like freebeez….yeeeehaaa

  • Que

    Purely opinion. Backed by ZERO statistical data and comparing it with No other country for contrast.

    • biochemists_are_sexy

      Statistical data is worthless if it only comes from one country? This would negate nearly every statistical study in existence.

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