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Why Sweden has riots

The fault-line in Polly Toynbee’s perfect society

8 June 2013

9:00 AM

8 June 2013

9:00 AM

 

Stockholm

 ‘All of them should have been very happy,’ Robert A. Heinlein begins his 1942 novel Beyond This Horizon. The material problem has been solved on this future earth, poverty and disease have been eradicated, work is optional. And yet parts of the citizenry are not enthusiastic. Some are bored, others are preparing a revolt. Why should that be, in such a utopian world?

A similar puzzlement has been the dominant reaction from commentators after riots broke out and cars and buildings were burned in heavily immigrant-populated suburbs of Stockholm in late May. Sweden? Since the standard interpretation is that violence is the only weapon the marginalised have against an oppressive socioeconomic system, it is more difficult to explain it when it takes place in ‘the most successful society the world has ever known’, as Polly Toynbee once called it.

But it hasn’t stopped some from trying. If all you have is two terms of sociology studies, everything looks like a justified grievance. Leftists abroad have blamed the rioting on the liberalisation that has taken place in Sweden in recent years, and the supposed increase in inequality and poverty. The country’s big social democratic daily, Aftonbladet, tried to point to the effects of austerity (in a country where it has not been implemented) and claimed that the kids in the suburb of Husby rioted because ‘the health care centre, the post office, the midwives’ centre and the youth centre have been wound up’.

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In fact, there are three youth centres in Husby. Its old health care centre closed, but a new one took its place. The midwives moved, but just one station away on the metro. You can find postal services 14 minutes from the centre, on foot. Where I live, you need to walk for 12 minutes. One shivers at the thought of what I could have been like had I lived another two minutes away. Would I also spend Friday nights torching nursery schools?

The Swedish poverty rate may very well be too high, but at 1.2 per cent, no European country has a lower one. The average in the European Union is 8.8 per cent. If poverty is the cause of riots, almost every city on the continent should have been burned down before Stockholm’s turn came, including most of those in Norway and Switzerland.

But inequality has increased, you say. Yes, since the extremely egalitarian mid-1980s (the last time Stockholm saw large-scale youth riots, by the way). But since 2005, when Toynbee proclaimed Sweden the egalitarian utopia, it has barely moved. My country is the most equal in Europe save for Slovenia. Of course, some might argue that you need equality at Slovenia’s level to maintain social harmony. That’s unless you had heard of the series of mass protests — sometimes violent — which have rocked Slovenian cities since last November, resulting in the fall of the government.

Low poverty and inequality, generous welfare benefits, and schools, universities and health care for free. A society in which you are not poor just because you don’t work.

All of them should have been very happy.

In fact, there is serious inequality in Sweden, but the divide is not so much between the rich and the poor as between those with jobs and those without. And frequently this is an ethnic divide. As the author Fredrik Segerfeldt points out in a new study, Sweden has the largest employment gap between natives and foreign-born of all the rich countries where data is available. Only 6.4 per cent of native Swedes are unemployed, but almost 16 per cent of the immigrants are. In Stockholm, as in Paris, this problem is concentrated in the suburbs. In Husby, where the riots started, 38 per cent of those under 26 neither study nor work.

So what’s to blame? The aspect of the Swedish social model that the government has not dared to touch: strong employment protection. By law, the last person to be hired must be the first person to be sacked. And if you employ someone longer than six months, the contract is automatically made permanent. A system intended to protect the workers has condemned the young to a succession of short-term contracts. Sweden’s high de facto minimum wage — around 70 per cent of the average wage — renders unemployed those whose skills are worth less than that. Sweden has the fewest low-wage, entry-level jobs in Europe. Just 2.5 per cent of Swedish jobs are on this level, compared to a European average of 17 per cent.

Those with poor education, experience or language skills have found that Sweden is not such a utopia after all. If you never get your first job, you never get the skills and experiences that would give you the second and third job. All that labour ‘protection’ has created a society of insiders and outsiders. Sweden has generously welcomed immigrants into its borders. But there is another border — around its jobs market — and it is heavily fortified.

The result? Young men with nothing to do and nothing to lose, standing on the outside, looking in, with a sense of worthlessness, humiliation and boredom. It’s not the first time that such a situation has ended in violence. When this happens in Sweden it shocks the left, because it shows that money isn’t everything. A government can supply you with goods and services, but not with self-worth and the respect of others. A government can fulfil all your material needs, but it can’t give you the sense that you accomplished this yourself.

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  • ertomanse1

    So what you right wingers do, neoliberalists like Johan Norberg is to ethnify these riots and go the same way as the fascists in Sweden. That is the only answer you have to why these riots happens. This is why capitalism and liberalism always produce fascism in the end.

    Your only answer is to blame certain groups and make it even worse for these groups.

    • darwins beard

      the blame goes to those who deserve it, if if those to blame happen to be immigrants and those whos policies let them in then they are still to blame thats the difference between the left and the right dealing with a problem and those who dont want to see one.By the way fascism has its own definition its not just anything a leftard disagrees with

      • ertomanse1

        The blame lies only in the capitalist system, how the social inequality have exploded in Sweden with these new neoliberal policies, some of the most extreme in the world. The social inequlity have risen the most in Sweden in the whole world.

        That will produce tensions from the working class, especially from the poorest.

        Yes, I know what fascism is, but when these neoliberalists like Norberg tries to analyze these riots he dont explain them he just plays right into the hands of the fascists.

        • Inspector Fu

          Tell that to half the world brought out of poverty in the last 20 years thanks to capitalism. Do you copy/paste this crap from alternet or what? Do you even have an independent thought in your head, or are you just another marxist hiveminder?

          • ertomanse1

            When have i denied that capitalism have been progressive? Of course it has been but not any longer. Does it seem lika a progressive system in the most developed countries any longer?

            Who are you fooling?

          • Drakken

            Oh look, a product of our re-education system, what could possibly go wrong?

        • Sun

          Well then maybe I should torch your car and use the narrative that “I had no choice” and the “capitalist/racist/etc/etc” system caused it. Either that or I can defend your glorified, can do no wrong, minority, of such an act…just to see the look on that “face” of yours.

          If you can call it a “face.”

          I wonder how long you came blame the native inhabitants and their society before they backlash? You know, people only tolerate blame for so long.

          It may amaze you that I at least I have more respect for the right, who don’t worship minorities, out of fear. Using pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify riots.

          Keep using the passive aggression victim card, justifying riots and pillaging. I look forward to the day with minorities really have something to be scared of.

          All I have to do is wait. Everyone and every group, no matter how much guilt, has a breaking point.

    • Mercher

      Where did the author “blame certain groups” or “ethnify these riots”? (whatever “ethnify” means).

    • Inspector Fu

      All I read here is, “grr they’re fascists, grr I hate capitalism even though I’m currently enjoying the immense productive value it has brought to my life.”

      • ertomanse1

        What “immense productive value” has capitalism produced in the developed countries in the last 40 years?

        Capitalism at the moment is holding the productive forces back.

        • Drakken

          Perhaps you would be more comfortable in a devolving 3rd world country than our 1st world western ones?

  • gonwithewind

    An excellent clarification. All of which leaves me (almost) as enamoured with the Swedish/Scandinavian social model as I’ve always been… Except that it seems quite disappointingly obvious that Sweden was inexplicably and uncharacteristically dumb to have thrown open its borders to any jobless immigrants at all…

    Let that be a lesson to everyone…!!!

    • Vrai écossais

      They imported the wrong sort of immigrant.

      • ertomanse1

        And here comes the racist analysis that Norbergs text inevitably produces.

        • Shazza

          Not racist, realistic.

          • Inspector Fu

            It’s true. They come to NL, they come to France, they come to UK too. They complain about “western values”, while trying to impose their “values” on everyone else. They abuse their own women, and cover them up so people can’t see the bruises, they harass the local women and live off others. They’re parasites.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            That reminds me, I must post a few comments on the BNP site.

          • truthandall

            Why? They exposed more racist pakis raping white girls.

          • Terry Field

            The only real possibility is integration or removal. What else will allow society to function????

          • eunometic

            It’s clear that ethnic, religious or racial groups will by nature, a sort of evolutionary process, seek to advance and dominate. Material wellbeing, absolute or relative is not the key factor.

        • Mercher

          Arriving only shortly after the accusations of fascism that any attempt to actually think about immigration produces (re your other comments).

          Well done on getting your own brand of blinkered lunacy in first.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          And here comes the kneejerk dhimmi-ism, right on cue

        • Vrai écossais

          Are you equating immigrants with race?

          • Fredrik Lindholm

            Name one, just ONE swedish or french company where an immigrant with little or no knowledge of swedish or french can start work Monday by, let’s say sweeping floors, and get the first paycheck on Friday.

        • nativist

          Let’s stipulate that it is “racist”. What inference do you suggest we draw from that?

        • Terry Field

          what do you mean by ‘racist’?
          A clear definition would be useful.
          It is a much bandied about word.
          What do you mean by it.
          A polite request, no criticism or ‘trap’

          • Acushla

            You are right. We all belong to the same race with different Ethnicities. The word RACIST is used by those who are against a particular Ethnic Culture.

          • Terry Field

            Yes, my problem with the use of the word ‘racist’ is that it tend to mean whatever the user has in mind when it is uttered. It can mean almost anything; I would prefer people describe the condition they either object to, or find acceptable in enough detail for an intelligent response to be made.
            I am racially aware that my cats prefer voles for breakfast, whilst I prefer boiled eggs with soldiers. but so what?

          • eunometic

            The term racist has become a term of political abuse whose power lies in the accumulation of hundreds of fictions, dramas, novels, stories we have been exposed to through the entertainment media and education institutions.

            I am a White person, that is my race. My hair, skin and eye colour come from Europe; so does my height, the shape of my nose. If we dare to stop believing politically correct miracles evolution has made our brains different as well to some significant degree as well. The immigration patterns elites have foisted upon us will destroy that race, our one group, into nothing. Other races are not subject to this stress. It’s a mathematical certainty on current trends and its happening very fast.

            I am a racist because I stand for stopping that. It’s a good thing to save a group of people.

        • berosos_bubos

          The excellent student loans system in the UK will allow the tax payer to fund the whole of Romanian and Bulgaria through higher education and as their earnings are so low in their home country they need never repay anything. It gives one a nice warm feeling of generosity, I’m sure you’d agree.

        • Sun

          Hey. Why don’t you lead by example and MOVE to one of the countries these people come from.

          Don’t you believe in equality?

        • Fredrik Lindholm

          Why not? If you disregard class differences, then you lose some resistance against racism. Because if class and culture* can be disregarded then why does the grandchildren of an anlanphabetic sheperd from the Anatolian Highlands still fail to reach higher education? Must be that they are irrantional. And their irrationality stems from their noses and earlobes, probably.

          *) Often used by racists as an ersatz for race. Something monolithic and static, which it’s not.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        And we all know who the dodgy ones are.

      • Fredrik Lindholm

        “Import” implies that immigrants lacks agency. It also implies that a committee can decide what kind of people who should be allowed entry and so on.

    • Beauchard

      I found the recent story about Swedish train drivers illuminating.
      Arriva, the train company, has a uniform policy which doesn’t allow shorts. A spokesman said that the company wants its staff to look “nice and proper”.
      The male train drivers circumvented this uniform policy by coming to work wearing skirts.
      Arriva accepted this, as not allowing the men to wear skirts would be “discrimination”.
      The immigrants may be a problem, but Sweden itself is a bigger one.

    • TheTurnipTaliban

      Bit late now isn’t it.

      *Waits for someone from the NSA to drag me into Room 101 where I’ll have a car battery attached to my sensitive bits*

      • Drakken

        Wait until the natives start fighting back to protect themselves and property.

  • xanthellae

    Johan Norberg points out that if all you have is two terms of sociology studies then everything will look like a justified grievance.

    That may be true. It might also be true that the welfare state and low levels of poverty not necessarily per definition creates free and prosperous individuals.

    But what does not create free and prosperous individuals, even more so, is these simple, shallow neoliberal suggestions of lower wages, less regulation, and harder work. This has all been shown to create massive social unrest in the south of Europe. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, as Einstein put it, is insanity.

    Johan Norberg should take a few more of those sociology classes.

    We stand before a systemic crisis, of which the PIIGS countries are a symptom of the end result of this systemic crisis. So solutions must be formulated within a socioeconomic systemic framework. Patching up and treating the wounds with neoliberal kool-aid can only delay the inevitable transition to a sustainable society.

    Even the welfare state is, after all, built upon the neoliberal idea of a perpetual debt-based growth economy.

    • ClausewitzTheMunificent

      You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. The socialist system is a rigged, unfair system which in Italy at least has taken the form of a gerontocracy where any sort of promotion is linked entirely to seniority – what a lovely system. I think economic liberalism and less regulation is exactly what we need, as well as curbing the powers of the still-communist trade unions.

  • LondonVicar

    They have abandoned the real God.
    And followed the false gods of materialism and liberal values.
    And found they have reaped what they have sown.
    Swedish Christians I know are not surprised at all.

    • Axel Edgren

      “They have abandoned the real God.”
      That homophobic, misogynistic vermin? His values didn’t keep you from getting your stupid country into Iraq, killing thousands of Iraqi civilians and wasting billions. Also, a Londoner smirking about or riots? That best be a jest, vicar.

      • LondonVicar

        well abandoning the real God doesn’t seem to have done Sweden much good !
        but do find any solution other than a spiritual one.

        • Mercher

          I can only imagine what terrible retribution will be visited on you for using a pagan god as your avatar.

          • LondonVicar

            It is a statue in memory of Lord Shaftesbury in fact.
            Commonly called ‘Mercury’, it is in fact the Angel of Christian Charity.

          • Mercher

            I believe it is supposed to be Anteros, son of Ares and Aphrodite. The “Angel of Christian Charity” business is the work of a previous generation of Christian blowhards. (What does a bow and arrow have to do with Christian Charity anyway?)

            And no one ever calls it Mercury.

          • LondonVicar

            It is a pun on shafts , bury.
            Ignoramus !

            Sent from my Samsung mobile

          • Mercher

            So what does burying shafts have to do with Christian charity?

            Come to think of it, what does gloating over violence in another country have to do with Christian charity, “vicar”?

          • LondonVicar

            It is a memorial to lord shaftesbury who did plenty of Christian charitable works.
            Not sure what you mean re violence. If you are meaning my France comment, see my response earlier in thread

            Sent from my Samsung mobile

          • Mercher

            Well yes I cracked the fiendish code with respect to the pun. My point was that it’s hard to see why an “Angel of Christian Charity” would be armed with a bow.

            And the “violence” would be the riots you seem to think are God’s will.

          • LondonVicar

            Pedant.
            It was Victorian sentimentality to honor a great man.
            Riots, I don’t. See earlier post

            Sent from my Samsung mobile

    • disqus_QF50ndfDBS

      Swedish Christians?? Sweden is the most anti religious country in the world, you most have looked really hard to find your friends.

      • LondonVicar

        As I said, you reap what you sow

        Sent from my Samsung mobile

        • disqus_QF50ndfDBS

          Please get off your high horse. No one in Sweden wants to go back to any Christian ideologies. Only the ones voting for the Sweden democrats which are all racist homophobes.

          • LondonVicar

            True Christians are not racists.
            They love their neighbour as themselves.
            They may think it wise to limit number of immigrants.
            But that does not make them racist.

          • disqus_QF50ndfDBS

            I suppose you start all your sentences with “I am not a racist…….but”

          • LondonVicar

            no need to.
            my own parish church is multi racial, and becoming ever more so.

            Heaven will be where ‘every tribe and tongue and langauge’ will worship the Lamb, acc to the book of Revelation.

          • disqus_QF50ndfDBS

            I would suggest that you open a real book.

          • Drakken

            Your use and abuse of the race card has made it irreverent and immaterial, so thanks for playing.

  • SadWorld

    As an American Black citizen, I have discontent for the current inequities and humanitarian abuses that exist in the United States. I like the way Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries approach crime/criminal justice and punishment (they focus more on rehabilitation), the police is not as corrupt as in the U.S., and there is no death penalty (there will be no execution of the innocent, and it is just inhumane for all criminals guilty or not guilty).

    The fact that the police did not use heavy-handed tactics to quell the riots was encouraging. Despite the riots, Sweden and the other countries should maintain their welfare state and their current social model because if they let a little discouragement by youth change things, then their country will turn for the worst, and become more like the United States, Brazil, and other nations with huge inequality.

    They should maintain their focus on humane treatment in their prisons as opposed to the inhumane conditions of United States’ prisons. I would agree with Polly Toynee: Sweden does seem like “the most successful society the world has ever known” as opposed to many in the United States who thinks their country is “the greatest nation in the world or the world has ever known” because of its “so-called” great military where sexual assaults are rampant and discrimination exists.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

      Should Sweden actually lift a finger against anyone or anything, or would that conjure up painful images of ‘To Kill A Mockingbird’ for you thousands of miles away?

    • visiblewince

      it will stunt your rhetoric and you may feel it was the worst thing that could happen, but may I remind you that the oppressive discriminatory US has a black premier – and one who is enjoying his second term in office at that?

    • Drakken

      Funny thing is in your butt hurt missive is that you blacks are 13% of the general population in the US and yet you blacks account for over 44 % of the violent crime, and your mad because the police look at you funny? Perhaps you would feel a lot more comfortable in Africa where the panga is the arbitrator of all things being equal.

  • ClausewitzTheMunificent

    The Swedish model only works when all are prepared to accept it. By having these socialist barriers to work and by importing millions of unskilled immigrants the system laid the seeds of its own destruction. Much the same is happening over here in Italy – except that here the immigrant population is much smaller percentage-wise and can find employment quite easily by working “in nero” i.e. illegally. The inflexibility of the labour market is the single greatest factor behind the decline of the Italian and more generally, the Southern European economy. A quick example: when a small textile manufacturer suddenly finds that the market for night-gowns has almost disappeared over-night, can he retrain and trim the workforce to ensure the business’ survival? No he cannot – he must continue employing the same old people and go through a painful economic death which he/she then be blamed for. The joys of socialism at its best! Let this be at last a lesson to our bloody ruling classes – when our cities go up in flames, as they will do, and their heads will start to roll, they will pmòy have brought it upon themselves – and I will dance over their graves for having destroyed the job prospects of the younger generation (25% unemployed – officially).

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

      “their heads will start to roll”

      You don’t seriously believe the elite will suffer, do you? Head-rolling is only for little people.

      • ClausewitzTheMunificent

        When civilized society breaks down, no one is safe, least of all the politicians of the old regime. And it now appears that if they don’t get their act together in say 5-10 years (and they won’t) that the whole country will explode – there are enough disaffected people and enough disgust for the misrule of our so called “representatives” – I don’t think you can even being to imagine the level of graft and corruption in the state apparatus, or the degree to which the judiciary have been politicized, but perhaps, since this is now common to most European countries, you are familiar with the concept of bribery through welfare, wherein politicians buy someone’s vote for life in exchange for money. I may be exaggerating a tad, but Grillo’s ‘movement’ shows that 25% of the population want something to change and are prepared to vote for a political nobody to put pressure on the system.

        • Terry Field

          Millions if Swedes – lots of them suntanned – want something for nothing. Thats over. That’s the cause of the rage.

          • ClausewitzTheMunificent

            True, but is that necessarily all they’re protesting about? I was just pointing out that a rigid labour market is just as important (and is often closely related) to the problem of a misapplication of welfare. Moreover, I was not aware that the Swedes were planning to radically change their welfare system before the riots.

          • Terry Field

            Yes, you are correct.
            It realy is not a labour market at all if it is ‘rigid’ – it is in fact more like a political allocation of labour on social and nepotistic lines, often, effectively from birth.

            A revolting part of such a spectacle is observing the middle classes mining the poor, for gain and continuation of privelege.
            No better example than France – a country I know well.

            In the parlance of wimbledon:

            ‘Advantage, Bourgeoisie’

        • Drakken

          I dare say you are wrong about the time frame, I would venture to take an educated guess that the time is upon us now, let one of these muslims kill a few more natives in broad daylight and the whole rotten house will come tumbling down, and I like you will enjoy dancing on the graves of our pols who brought this disaster upon us, the lampposts will have many hanging from it.

        • eunometic

          Politicians are using anti racism laws to protect their program of getting themselves re elected by replacing the people. Tony Blair for instance followed this strategy, taking the precaution of removing the offence of Treason. We may indeed fail to stop the economic and political evil of this and then all that will remain will be to avenge ourselves. Doing to their graves what was done to Cromwell’s for instance and removing the ill gotten advantages from their children. These are not men of principal and should be treated the way they treated us.

  • ertomanse1

    The blame lies only in the capitalist system, how the social
    inequality have exploded in Sweden with these new neoliberal policies,
    some of the most extreme in the world. The social inequlity have risen
    the most in Sweden in the whole world.

    That will produce tensions from the working class, especially from the poorest.

    • Inspector Fu

      The old Marxist cliche gets trotted out again.

      • ertomanse1

        I can debate you with marxist arguments all night long if you want? Even put up statistics that proves me right? But you would not dare that right?

        • Mercher

          I’d like those statistics please!

          • ertomanse1

            During the last 25 years social inequality in Sweden have risen the most in any of the OECD-countries.

            We have a privatized school system that allows anyone to open a school and make profits from our tax money. We have diped from top of the world education to a 22nd place since we privatized our school system. At the same time Finnland have kept the same system we had before privatization and their students now have the best results in the world. This school system heavily segregates our schools between poor and rich and you have to be lucky enough to choose the right school and hope that it does not go bankrupt or the owners dont make enough profit and close it down in the middle of your education. This is the most extreme school system in the world.

            We have privatized our welfare. In the elderly homes the amount of staff have dropped heavily, ad more and more cases of elderly starving to death and sleeping in their own piss and shit for weeks have emerged. At the same time these companies inside our welfare have done billions of dollars in profit and hide their money in tax havens.

            Everything that has been privatized has been a huge failure, the private pharmacies no longer have any medicine, the domestic flights have been much more expensive, the railway system have practically broken down the trains dont run at all anymore. Etc etc etc….

            The neoliberal government have also actively remade rented housing into privately owned housing which have heavily increased rents and fees. It has made the cities even more segregated between poor and rich and the poor have had to move even further from the city centre.

            Before we deregulated our loaning system we had an unemployment rate at 1-2 procent. After we deregulated which led to the housing bubble that burst in the early 90s we have had 6-10 procent unemployment. This was done in order to decrease the wage levels that swedish workers enjoyed.

            The neoliberals argued that we needed to have lower wages in Sweden and that would provide more jobs. They have actively lowered our wages but has not developed any new jobs. At the same time the wealth of the rich have exploded and so has the unemployment. The neoliberals are still insisting on that we need even lower wages to reduce unemployment even though statistics show a very different picture.

            We now again have a housing bubble that soon will burst and they will try to make us workerspay for this crisis. They will actively try to split the swedish working class between those with immigrant backgrounds and us native swedes. I will not allow it. I know that my analysis is the right one and the only justifiable, neoliberalism in Sweden is dead. It is the biggest failure in Sweden since the battle of Poltava.

          • Mercher

            I see two actual statistics in all this (and zero sources).

            And there’s certainly nothing here that backs up your claim that “neoliberal” policies in Sweden are “some of the most extreme in the world” or that social inequality has risen the most in Sweden in the whole world.

            For a start, you haven’t said anything about other countries at all – except that Sweden has moved down to 22nd place in some unspecified system of rankings. You don’t say where that figure comes from, though I note that Wikipedia gives the 22nd place figure — and then states this is “neither significantly higher nor lower than the OECD average” (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Sweden).

            If there’s evidence somewhere that proves Sweden has turned into 1930’s Shanghai while I wasn’t looking – or even that it stands out from other OECD countries in any way at all – I’d still like to see it.

          • ertomanse1

            My sources is in swedish if you want them? Cant find any decent sources in english except from OECD.

          • Mercher

            Go for it… I don’t know any Swedish but I guess that’s a face-saving out if I turn out to be wrong :)

            And there’s alway Google Translate (yay capitalism!)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

            Why is it only the newcomers rioting and raping then? Not the put-upon natives?

        • Tim Reed

          “I can debate you with marxist arguments all night long if you want?”

          That’s marxist postmodernism for you – all talk and BS – intellectual masturbation to no end except to disguise an ideological detachment from reality.

          • ertomanse1

            Postmodernism lol. I use Marx as an economical tool.

          • Tim Reed

            …economical…with the truth?

          • Mercher

            If you’re still here, I’d still like a link to those (Swedish language) statistics that will apparently settle this argument.

            In the absence of that evidence, I went looking around in your Disqus history, and it turns out that three months ago you were saying stuff like:

            “Gang problem? We have the lowest crime rate on earth because no one is left behind because of our welfare system. ”

            “We are more socialist than any other country in the western hemisphere.”

            “Haha no, we still have the worlds lowest crime rate no matter what fantasies you believe in”

            “I dont think Sweden have that bad education system”

            “we still have the worlds largest welfare state.”

            “you americans must stop believeing these myths about socialism. I live in Sweden, socialism is great.”

            So what has happened to turn Sweden into a neoliberal hell in the last three months? Or is it just obvious that when bad things happen the problem is always not enough socialism? Does your “economical tool” Marx explain this? Is this the dialectic or something?

        • Drakken

          How many times are you commis going to try communism until you realize that it just doesn’t work?

          • Sun

            I’m sorry but Sweden is socialist, not communist.

            And no, they don’t mean the same thing.

          • Drakken

            Communism by another name, same damn thing, where dissent is demonized.

          • Sun

            No communism and socialism are two distinctively different things.

            Yes, political dissent is silenced in Sweden but you can clearly think it is like say the former Soviet Union, were people who spoke against went to the Gulag. You really can’t say that Sweden is like Mao’s China or Stalin’s USSR.

            The silencing of dissent tends to happen in many systems. That isn’t how socialism and communism are separated.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Did this neoliberalism produce the rape epidemic Sweden has been subjected to by (mainly mu$l!m) immigrants? Or the rash of assaults on jews?

      What a fossil….

      • ertomanse1

        No, it is because we changed what is seen as rape, for instance what is considered a sexual assault in the US would be classified as rape in Sweden. This change happened in 2007 and then the rape statistics inevitably rose.

        Why not look up facts before posting racist bullshit.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          A single change in 2007 doesn’t explain the explosion of rapes before and since you dork.

          Facts chum? Here’s some Govt rape stats from your once fair land (figures rounded)

          1975 – 768
          1998 – 2000
          2003 – 2500
          2005 – 3700
          2006 – 4300
          2007 – 4700
          2008 – 5500
          2009 – 5900

          http://cavatus.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/sweden-a-raped-country/

          BTW try talking to some females in Stockholm.

  • roger

    Sweden was once a society where all were insiders as you put it, no longer.
    First there were the political refugees, Eastern Europe and the Balkans, they worked hard and settled ( I am related to three my marriage) but then the latest wave came from Asia, the Middle East and Africa and they can’t be integrated as well.

    • ertomanse1

      And here comes the racist analysis that Johan Norbergs texts inevitably produce…

    • Terry Field

      There is also the matter of differential intelligence and the partly-intersecting bell shaped curves. Never refuted with any convincing science, just political posturing.

      • Shoe On Head

        overall genetic differences tells us that genetic lineages rapidly spread out to all of humanity, indicating that human populations have ALWAYS had a degree of genetic contact with one another.

        ultimately, this proves, historically we don’t show any distinct evolutionary lineages within humanity, rather, all of humanity is a single long-term evolutionary lineage.

        • Terry Field

          You have clearly mis-stated the truth for political advantage. The Chinese genetic inheritance powerfully undermines your point.
          Stop quoting distorting political cod science.
          You should be able to argue better than that – I could give you a few clues if you have a ‘mental block’
          As for the now, rather in evolutionary time scales, my point holds powerfully true, even if you do not find it palatable.

          • Shoe On Head

            boy, you are cranky.
            did you wake up on the wrong side of your cousin?

            define intelligence

          • Terry Field

            There is no trap to jump into here. The recent attempts to ‘broaden’ the definitions of measurable intelligence have as a prime – generally unstated – objective to refute the significance of race intelligence differentials, themselves well established but not referred to in ‘polite’ society. And certainly not in the increasing powder-keg that Britain is becoming, for all too obvious reasons.
            It is well defined, and I do not need to add to it; that applied definition continues to be commonly used by all serious interpreters of human potential in a modern technological context.
            You do not sound too bright yourself. No need to feel sensitive though. Happy lives can be led by the average.

          • Shoe On Head

            you are a very modest person with much to be modest about…,but your mouthwash isn’t quite making it. you should try thinking of your intelligence as underwear. i can see that its important to you that you have it, but there’s no need to show it off. i don’t consider your higher iq makes you superior to me. equally, why should i care if another race or ethnic group has a higher iq than me? your higher iq doesn’t protect against being an a*se-hole or being wrong. it seems obvious to me that the various populations of people on this planet have evolved different mental attributes, iq being a specific example but not the only one.

            btw, it’s quite nice to be so free of the ravages of intelligence.

            (shoe on head)

          • Terry Field

            You sound a nice person. Niceness matters much more than intelligence. have a nice weekend.

          • Flying Tiger

            Number of physicists per hundred population of a given human race? Number of terrorist murders committed per hundred? Number of nobel prizes (not that they’re any measure of anything else mind) won per hundred? Number of third world shitholes they come from?

            None of this is any mystery. It began with a Europe ashamed of its weakness versus the Germans, continued as the economic and social war against the Anglo-Saxons, and has ended with the communist dominated EU attempting, in the words of its founder, to recreate an Ancient Egyptian style slave culture across Europe where a mixed race brown underclass toils for a perverse elite.

  • Homer

    Whatever the reasons I’m happy its happening in the most self righteous PC country in Europe. The Swedes can now turn their holier than thou little finger towards their own direction and point at themselves now!

    • ertomanse1

      Yes, for introducing neoliberalism that has destroyed our socialist welfare state. We have a privatized school system that is so extreme it would even be impossible to implement in the US or UK.

      • Susan Macdonald

        Whinge whinge moan: it’s never socialist enough for the socialists.

        • ertomanse1

          It is socialist when the workers control the means of production.

          • visiblewince

            Laudable ideal, but ultimately a pipe dream. Nature won’t allow it.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            The struggle of class against class in a political struggle.

        • eunometic

          Neoliberalism, really just a whisker away from monopoly capitalism or the mercantilism Adam Smith warned about, is as destructive as Marxist style socialism. The welfare state in Swedden continues, it is a heavily regulated country.

          Socialism is driven by a unreasonable hatred and discontent of everything in ones own society, including family, but a sense that one is morally superior, Neoliberalism reduces morality to a market mechanism; Eg if wages are too high for an industry just replace the people with cheaper ones.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

      The pride in the system is a bit odd actually, since Sweden is probably the most “anti-nationalistic” country (in the world?).

      Some even says the Swedish flag should be banned since it could signal racism…

      • ertomanse1

        Who says that? This is a right wing lie, never heard anyone say that. Maybe a lone person that does not make any difference and then you right wingers play it up as a “bigh threat to sweden” and such bullshit. It is ridicoulus.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

          Well, thanks for proving the point! I’m no rightwinger, I vote for Miljöpartiet.

          But yes, I’ve people saying that. Or rather wrote it. Not many though.

          • ertomanse1

            Miljöpartiet are right wingers.

            It is just ridicoulus to even mention this when it is maybe one or two persons with any sort of influence that have said anything even resembling this.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

            I thought you meant I was a SD-supporter or something like that. Sorry, my bad. My overall political view in all is anyway, just left of the mid.

            My point was mainly the irony in the pride of the system (and the Socialdemocratic system was indeed something to be proud of), but the lack of pride in culture.

            Then obviously Belgium, Spain, and countries with provinces wanting to be independent or switch country is more anti-nationalistic. But such problem hasn’t figured in Sweden since the Scanian-war 350 years ago.

          • ertomanse1

            I live in Norrland, many up here want to have an independent Norrland because we have gone more to the left at the same time as the south have gone to the right.

          • Mercher

            Can I just point out the irony of being both pro-immigration and secessionist?

          • ertomanse1

            In Norrland we are all immigrants. Since the beginning. And have always been multicultural with many different languages and cultures such as the sami, meänkäli, tornedalnings, finns etc.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

            Well, I haven’t heard of any “Lega Nord” yet :)

            I come from a island full of farmers in south Sweden, Centerpartiet has obviously ruled since the beginning of time… might change with their new metropolitan-style though.

          • Robert Taggart

            What about Lapland ? Independence for Santa Claus !

          • ertomanse1

            Lapland is part of Norrland.

          • Robert Taggart

            Indeed, but, it be part of Finland too – time to join them up and make Santa President ?!

          • Terry Field

            The entire history of Human life is based on tribal, and usually racial identification. You do the same – you just won’t admit it!
            Hypocrisy. ALL countries with, or made up of, immigrant groups, those groups stay tight-nit and together. Effectively ghettos. Including the self-righteous USA. Travel down streets in Philly, one street Russian, one street Polish, one street German. Generations back.
            We do not integrate. We don’t want to. We prove it by our actions every day of the week. We get together to work – if we must – and that’s it.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

            Of course it’s tribal (and tribal use to change) but I mean I don’t like the nationalism that is full of neonazis etc.

          • Terry Field

            I do not think America is different – it is fully segregated; it simply cleansed the landscape of inferior uncompetitive peoples at outset. (‘Inferior’ simply meaning unable to survive the competition, nothing else at all intended.)
            The Brits did it to the Celts as well, thats life.
            We are ourselves, and that includes you little sensitive one.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

            It was the Romans who fought the Celts wasn’t it? Britain, just as US, is a mix of ethnicity.

            My point to start with though, from a very Swedish perspective, was that I like nationalism at one point but if I say that people like ertomanse1 would think I support xenophobic Sverigedemokraterna, which I don’t, and told him/her/hen.

          • Terry Field

            The mix of ethnicity is Home Office agitprop.

            You may or may not be aware that a 5000 year old partial skeleton was uncovered in a cave in Cheddar gorge. Its DNA was extracted. The direct lineal descendent was discovered – he was working as a infant school teacher – in Cheddar!

            Apart from the sythe taken to anglo males across the central belt of the country by the Norsmen, and the 5000 Normans at a later date, Britain remained highly ethnically stable for tens of thousands of years. Then the lumpy custard arrived and coagulated into ghettos ….with not many exceptions, there is ‘marrying in’ and ‘breeding in’.
            Trevor is right about it. And he is a highly acceptable fellow with a fine cranial shape.

            It is a bit like Montenegro. Not a good idea but heyho we have to make the best of it, and most people are great.

            I particularly like the Sikhs – they are really great.

            I have never met one that I have not both liked and respected.

            And Poles are possessed of elegant and courtly manners.They shame most peasant Brits.

            Then we have the Moslems. Something quite different. That is the issue – are they nice, accommodating folk as well, or do they have an agenda of separate domination and sandpaper-like irritation for the rest; with some of their more violent brethren the ‘advanced guard’ ?
            A good friend of mine – a lapsed ex Kenyan Asian Moslem – (lapsed re the moslem bit) suggested to me 37 years ago that it would be a major error to allow them in.
            He argued that even after 1000 years, they would not integrate, that they would agitate for all they could get, behave very badly and have a tendency to be violent.
            I ignored this due to youth and inexperience, but now………

            So are they our little bearded friends?
            Hard to say at present, but the Home Office / C of E programmed thinking office is working overtime, and I never did believe civil servants – either of the Goebbels or the May sort – have my best interests at heart.

            That feels better.

            Now for a G & T on the terrace.

            More Pimms anyone?

          • Dogsnob

            Celts still here. Waiting for those pesky Saxons and Normans to piss off back home.

          • Terry Field

            They wish for Anschluss between Merkel and Penguine Hollande.
            They look to the second European coming!
            Some chance!
            You will have to wait a while yet!

          • Drakken

            We of European extraction won it fair and square by conquering America, thanks for playing.

          • berosos_bubos

            The same thing is said in the UK. The irony is that the Euro project is going to produce it in spades.

        • Sun

          Does everyone need to give you a link. Are you too lazy to look it up yourself?

          http://www.thelocal.se/8401/20070905

      • retundario

        Of course, they have the same pride in their country as everyone else, they are just such pretentious pompous clowns that they believe they are above expressing that pride in the usual ways (e.g. flags)… so they drone on about their welfare, their multiculturalism, their benefits for foreigners etc, instead. Pompous little tw@ts are now reaping their rewards of their idiotic PC-ness, hope the riots continue.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

          Well, in the latest election the liberal-conservatice alliance and SwedenDemocrats had 57% of the votes so I wouldn’t call “The Nordic Way” an collective nationalism, anymore.

          Imo one of the biggest problems is the miljonprogrammen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Programme) though. Good shortterm solution to house shortage, disastrous in a longer term.

      • Terry Field

        The end stage, super-left-wing self-hating insanity of a Post-Hitler Europe that has entirely lost all sense of self-confidence.

  • ertomanse1

    During the last 25 years social inequality in Sweden have risen the most in any of the OECD-countries. This is a fact.

    We
    have a privatized school system that allows anyone to open a school and
    make profits from our tax money. We have diped from top of the world
    education to a 22nd place since we privatized our school system. At the
    same time Finnland have kept the same system we had before privatization
    and their students now have the best results in the world. This school
    system heavily segregates our schools between poor and rich and you have
    to be lucky enough to choose the right school and hope that it does not
    go bankrupt or the owners dont make enough profit and close it down in
    the middle of your education. This is the most extreme school system in
    the world.

    We have privatized our welfare. In the
    elderly homes the amount of staff have dropped heavily, ad more and more
    cases of elderly starving to death and sleeping in their own piss and
    shit for weeks have emerged. At the same time these companies inside our
    welfare have done billions of dollars in profit and hide their money in
    tax havens.

    Everything that has been privatized
    has been a huge failure, the private pharmacies no longer have any
    medicine, the domestic flights have been much more expensive, the
    railway system have practically broken down the trains dont run at all
    anymore. Etc etc etc….

    The neoliberal government have
    also actively remade rented housing into privately owned housing which
    have heavily increased rents and fees. It has made the cities even more
    segregated between poor and rich and the poor have had to move even
    further from the city centre.

    Before we
    deregulated our loaning system we had an unemployment rate at 1-2
    procent. After we deregulated which led to the housing bubble that burst
    in the early 90s we have had 6-10 procent unemployment. This was done
    in order to decrease the wage levels that swedish workers enjoyed.

    The
    neoliberals argued that we needed to have lower wages in Sweden and
    that would provide more jobs. They have actively lowered our wages but
    has not developed any new jobs. At the same time the wealth of the rich
    have exploded and so has the unemployment. The neoliberals are still
    insisting on that we need even lower wages to reduce unemployment even
    though statistics show a very different picture.

    We
    now again have a housing bubble that soon will burst and they will try
    to make us workerspay for this crisis. They will actively try to split
    the swedish working class between those with immigrant backgrounds and
    us native swedes. I will not allow it. I know that my analysis is the
    right one and the only justifiable, neoliberalism in Sweden is dead. It
    is the biggest failure in Sweden since the battle of Poltava.

    • bikke

      Excuses, excuses, excuses.
      Nobody has been keeping these kids away from school. They all had exactly the same opportunities as other kids who spent their time more wisely, got an education and later a job.
      And even following their own failure to learn anything the government is there ready to take care of their every need. Pampering on a grander scale than ever seen before.
      Importing people from cultures that are simply refusing to integrate is starting to take its toll on the Swedish society. Wake up and smell the coffee.

      • ertomanse1

        You are wrong, the schools in both the suburbs and in small towns with only swedish natives they cant attract good teachers anymore because the rich areas take them all. The teachers in poor areas are not even educated teachers anymore. Small towns in Sweden with only native swedes have even higher amount of unemployment and social exclusion. Especially in the north of Sweden.

        The poor areas have less resources because their municipialities are also poorer since the school system was decentralised from the state level at the same time as the privatization.

        • bikke

          Riiight. Meanwhile, on the other side of the border, Norwegians have stacked all the muslims in to the same neighbourhood as well. All the ethnic Norwegians moved out, because very few of the students now speak Norwegian.
          And in Norway we did not privatize the schools. We see similar problems as yours.
          More excuses?

          • ertomanse1

            No you dont, not even at the same level. Just look at swedish football also, constant riots. We have football firms of 500 people fighting each other every game. It is the same syndrome as the riots in the suburbs, just different expressions.

            It is the same thing when you look at politics in Sweden, constant riots and fights from the anarchists or sometimes fascists or between antifascists and fascists.

            Big riots and violence is more common among native swedes than immigrants. At the same week as the riots in Stockholm you had over 100 football hooligans arrested in different cities. A big riot at the swedish cup final with fights on the pitch between opposing fans and later big riots against police.

          • bikke

            We haven’t imported as many. Yet. So yes, the problems are on a much smaller scale, but they are present.

            A little more unemployment, a few more immigrants… Whoosh.

          • ertomanse1

            What I am telling you is that it is not just about immigrants. It is about the whole society. Just look at our football hooliganism that has exploded in the last 15 years. Probably the most violent football in the whole of Europe at the moment and the football hooligans are almost all white young males, native swedes with poor working class backgrounds.

          • bikke

            *scratches head*
            If that is indeed the case, how does importing even more poor and uneducated people into your country help?

          • ertomanse1

            Why should it help anything, that is not even the question. What does not help is to implement neoliberal policies and make social inequality even greater. It is all about class, the working class in Sweden today have different backgrounds, but we have to unite because it is in every workers material interest to unite against the neoliberal system.

            This is the problem of Sweden.

          • retundario

            ertomanse- same tired old communist claptrap, different decade, give it a rest. People will divide themselves by ethnicity/religion before they do so by class, whether you like it or not, face it.

          • ertomanse1

            In sweden people do identify themselves with class and still the socialist parties are the biggest at the moment. Religion dont even exist in Sweden…

          • madge hirsch

            In that case why are rioters shouting Allahu Akhbar?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

            Get on the bus to school, you little shit.

          • visiblewince

            Straw man. As I’ve posted elsewhere today (in respect of the EDL), you can’t seriously compare some disgruntled football thugs with angry conservative Muslims harbouring a sense of cultural grievance. Not in numbers nor in reach of organisation.

          • Drakken

            I see you are educated beyond your capability. I would highly suggest that you read a few books on capitalism other than Marx and Lenin,

          • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

            I saw a article that the highest percent of immigrant in Norwegian suburbs was around 60%, and in Sweden it’s 80-90% in many places.

            And you have better school-results than Sweden.

  • retundario

    Couldn’t have happened to a more disgustingly obnoxious, self-righteous bunch of tw@ts than the pro-muliticultural Swedish media/political class. More rioting please

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    The irony here is that thanks to a misguided immigration policy, Sweden has become the rape capital of Europe. And further, because it is either not reported or misreported in the government controlled Swedish press, few are aware how serious the problem has become.
    As example, four Somali men violently rape two Swedish women, beating them half to death. Swedish press reports as, “One Somali man, one Fins and two Swedes rape two Swedish women”. For shame, Sweden.
    Think I’m fabricating or exaggerating? YouTube: “Muslim rape wave in Sweden
    and Europe _ Black and Asian immigration”. Or just type in “Sweden, Rape
    Capital”
    But when Julian has consensual sex with two women on the same night, but neglects to mention it to his respective partners: Well, you wouldn’t would you? He’s looking at slammer time in Sweden. That bastion of double standards and hypocrisy.

    • ertomanse1

      OMG, where do you racists come from? I am from Sweden and there is no such statistic available anywhere. We have changed what is classed as rape, what is sexual assault in the US would probably be classed as rape in Sweden since 2007.

      • HolyCow

        … I am from your dear neighbour Nårje and we laugh & cry at your incredible media coverage… the truth is (and how could you know!) that Sweden has 6500 assault rapes per year, only beaten (pop. wise) by Lesotho. I really regret the passing of Sweden as we once knew it, tolerant, wise, wealthy and visionary…

        document.no/2013/03/sverige-mot-en-ukjent-fremtid/

        document.no/2013/05/sa-blev-arnstberg-og-sandelin-omtalt-i-svensk-presse/

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        None so blind as those that don’t want to see.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        I posted this to you 3 days ago. read and respond – and to the other posters who have pointed out your feeble defence of the indefensible.

        And you ignored the issue of the wave of anti-semitism in places like Malmo carried out by the same riotous culture you seek to whitewash.

        A single change in 2007 doesn’t explain the explosion of rapes before and since you dork.

        Facts chum? Here’s some Govt rape stats from your once fair land (figures rounded)

        1975 – 768
        1998 – 2000
        2003 – 2500
        2005 – 3700
        2006 – 4300
        2007 – 4700
        2008 – 5500
        2009 – 5900

        http://cavatus.wordpress.com/2

        BTW try talking to some females in Stockholm.

      • Drakken

        It looks like your brain have been thoroughly soaked in Marxist garbage, so you can deny until the cows come home, it still doesn’t change the facts that the muslims are using you swedes as rent/boys and girls.

  • D B

    If there is an elephant in the room – ignore it. And the Emperor’s clothes are wonderful.

    Don’t even think about mentioning the dreaded “M” word.

    • ertomanse1

      The elephant in the room = neoliberalism

      • Hexhamgeezer

        tyt

      • Sun

        Neoliberalism…the same b.s. I hear everywhere. Even in Socialist Sweden.

        We’re supposed to believe that Sweden of ALL places is neoliberal?

        Go away.

  • Terry Field

    The solutions seem simple to state, but difficult to implement.
    Cancel the socialist fantasy world, now crumbling under the rational pressure of globalisation, and require the alien immigrant groups to integrate, or be expelled.
    No other option seems viable now.

    • ertomanse1

      We need more socialism, less liberalism!

      • Terry Field

        Could you define what you mean by socialism, please?

        • ertomanse1

          The working class ownership and democratic control over the means of production.

          • Terry Field

            But it is all closed down. It is in other countries. You are too late. Sorry.

          • ertomanse1

            All closed down? When did it even happen? We are never to late, socialism is inevitable because the capitalist property relations more and more work as fetters on the development of the productive forces.

          • Terry Field

            I am unclear. How would a rentier sector interfere with productive effort by the workers?

          • Drakken

            You commis will invite our capitalist wrath soon enough, and aren’t you going to be in for quite the nasty surprise.

          • Drakken

            No matter how many times you useful idiots try communism it is always a failure and only ends up with a pile of dead bodies.

          • Sun

            No. Socialism is where capitalism still exist and employers still own their means of production. Capitalism however is highly regulated and employers are bound by law to respect workers rights. Trade Unions are back by government. Etc. Redistribution of wealth is central and increases the welfare of a society.

            Someone who wishes to destroy capitalism and grant all the proletarian the means of production is a communist.

      • Drakken

        No matter how many times you communist try communism, it still fails. But you low IQ folks still try don’t you?

  • BoiledCabbage

    Transport Inequality amongst the seething, multicultural Swedish underclass is a serious problem that will have to be addressed. There can be no other reason for so many cars being set on fire. If all you have to get about is your cheap branded trainers, or at best a second-hand moped, of course envy will develop. The solution will be to buy them all new Volvo estates for their growing families?

  • Robert Taggart

    All that flat-pack furniture be enough to make anyone riot !

  • malkovichmalkovich

    The title of the article is “Why Sweden has riots”. But that is not the explanation provided by the body of text beneath it. The title should have been “Why Low-Skilled Employment is Hard to Find in Sweden”.

    Unemployment doesn’t cause people to riot. A morally deficient worldview causes people to riot, and a particular cultural heritage causes them to shout “Allahu Akbar!” while they do it, as the rioters in Stockholm did.

    Yes, it’s hard to get a job in Sweden, but it’s hard for native Swedes, too. There are plenty of unemployed young Swedes and none of them go out setting fire to cars and schools or pelt the emergency services with stones. Only the youth of one particular religious/cultural group do that.

    None of the people who rioted did so over unemployment, for the simple fact that none of them would ever want a job. They belong to an urban youth culture, well-developed in England and steadily growing in Sweden, which fuses the worst elements of violent/anti-social American gang culture with the narcissistic victim mentality of Islamist terror.

    If you think tinkering with Swedish employment legislation solves this problem you are either pitifully naive or reprehensibly dishonest.

    • ertomanse1

      There is no islamist organisations active in Sweden..

      • Hexhamgeezer

        you a lone wolf then?

        tyt

      • Drakken

        Who are we going to believe? You? Or our lying infidel eyes?

    • eunometic

      Lothrop Stoddard explained it in the following terms: to those of low intellect or mental or moral deficiency the requirements of civilisation become unbearable and they seek resolution in revolution, rioting and destructive social movements. European immigration programs, based around low skilled labour easily replaced with automation, have increased the underman.

  • zakisbak

    I find the riots thrillingly vibrant,a sign of a diverse,cohesive society.Much better than the boring old way it was before the enrichment process began.

  • Augustus

    All of Europe is on fire. It has been for some time. It is being conquered, by degrees, with no battle, and with seemingly no real ability to cope with the danger. The intellectual elite that once held those societies together is now working hard to destroy them. Sophisticated ways of thinking are being employed to keep these societies from defending themselves. Europe does not know how to deal with the millions of Muslims who do not want to integrate into Western society and do not accept Western codes, and some of whom state openly that their goal is Europe’s defeat.

    Sweden is perhaps where Western liberalism reached its peak in its willingness to take in millions of immigrants (almost 2 million out of less than 10 million), most of them Muslims. The legal system, the media and the welfare system, among others, have mobilized to promote acceptance of the other, the different, the persecuted. But the blood-drenched rioting that has been going on in Stockholm recently proves that all that acceptance was in vain. Instead of the riots being a wake-up call, all that remains for Europe’s feeble elites to do now is cooperate with the forces that endanger it, and sacrifice democracy on the altar of a fictitious peace. A peace which is always just around the corner.

    • Drakken

      There will be backlash sooner or later, and I would bet a years worth od pay that it will be sooner. Your govts are doing everything possible to stop the enviable, but a Balkans type scenario is coming.

  • LondonVicar

    The fault line in Polly Toynbee’s perfect society is that they have abandoned God and his values. And set themselves up as gods. And let us see where this has got them. Breakdown of family. Racism (not loving neighbour as oneself). RIoting (stealing: commandment no 8). Murder (commandment no 6).
    I’m sure they will say they need just more guns, more police (more taxes).
    Rather than a spiritual reformation.
    Only reformation of the heart will change these things. Which the secular law is powerless to do.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

      Also gay-rights, better rights for women, and no compulsion in following one religion etc etc etc…

      And to be fair, Christian Democrats (like CDU in Germany) is part of the Alliance that rules Sweden so christianity isn’t all gone from Swedish politics.

      • LondonVicar

        im informed CDU is christian in name only.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

          CDU is a power-party and KD in Sweden just have 4-5% of the votes. But they talk a lot about the questions you raise, family not at least. And are even more conservative than the xenophobic party in some issues.

      • visiblewince

        It has to be said (and I think it’s fairly obvious to all but the most politically-purblind) that womens rights and gay rights diminish commensurately to the increase in Muslim immigrants in any population. It’s a self-evident fact which no amount of spin or goodwill can refute.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

          Everyone can follow their own religion, the law shall not follow them though. The Swedish law isn’t a Sharia-law.

    • Christian Rusch

      So because ethnic Swedes have grown up in a secular society, (children of) immigrant Muslims have no regard for the Christian faith?

      • LondonVicar

        that may be true.
        but that was not my point.

        it is that swedes have jettisoned the Gospel, thinking it will make them free.

        but they have ended up enslaved to racism, violence, rape, drunkenness, etc etc

        the price of spiritual ‘freedom’.

        freedom is to become what we ought to become, not to become what we want to become.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/JohanOtbaG OtbaG™

          If we must have one god, Odin is the true God of the North anyway.

  • Big Harry

    Why does Swededn have riots, in two words, Immigration and Islam

  • John Smith

    Job protection is bad, its the enemy of long term productivity. Look at our NHS ..

  • rogermurrayclark

    So esentially you propose to dismantle employment protection laws for the alleged benefit of third world immigrants. But in dog eat dog, vicious race to the labour market bottom UK Somalis still have very high levels of unemployment- despite the fact that most of the new jobs created are indeed “entry level”; aka low value added rubbish.

    And the consequences for the indigenous working people over many years have been devastating.

    Well done, way to go

  • Lucas

    That is not the real issue. The real issue is taboo but nevertheless self
    evident to everyone everywhere.

    The same issue is now replicated everywhere in the First World because where
    immigration exists, its has been allowed to become pathological. The wrong
    people are being allowed into the country. These people have proved a failure
    everywhere and social welfare always heralded as a cure by those with a feeble
    grip on reality only ever feeds the madness.

    The citizens of every Western Country now see clearly the disease fermenting
    in their society for what it is. There is no hiding it. The drivers are always
    the same, the protagonists of the problems invariant, the results so dreadfully
    predictable.

    Denial of the real issue is undermining the authority of Western Governments
    and Western Institutions with the people of The West and today the propaganda
    of the Religion of Political Correctness looks as ludicrous as the propaganda of
    the Christian Religions that it replaced.

    The time for fairy tales is over. It is time for action. It is time to save
    The West. It is time to shut down this madness and its proponents.

  • pearlsandoysters

    I never trusted much vaunted Scandinavian model anyway, even less so after reading some books on Development Theory.

  • rogermurrayclark

    “Sweden’s high de facto minimum wage — around 70 per cent of the average wage — renders unemployed those whose skills are worth less than that. Sweden has the fewest low-wage, entry-level jobs in Europe. Just 2.5 per cent of Swedish jobs are on this level”

    Having the fewest low level jobs sounds like a very good thing to me.

    Does rotting rubbish pile up on the streets then?

    ok well to follow the logic of this piece why not junk anything even slightly technical and go back to cattle herding, so they’ll fit and not feel inferior

  • Jez

    Why Sweden has riots………. is / has been too many Liberals.

  • YOTHI_TARZAN

    The real reson
    Swedish politicians are spineless creatures and they are supported by whimpy women !!

  • Odalmannen

    The suburb hooligans burn cars for fun and exitement. And rioting is for the fun to se policemen run for their lives.
    Mister G.B. from Markaryd Sweden.

  • MrJones

    “why Sweden has riots”
    The media don’t report politically incorrect problems until they get too big to hide.

  • jkk1943

    The problem as it is all over western europe are the immigrant muslims. These folks do not assimilate into tolerant western socieities.

  • imnokuffar

    The problems are caused because they want more without paying anything for it.

  • Remittance Man

    Ah! My old favourite – the law of unintended consequences.

    Or, as was likely in this case, the law of consequences unseen by their initiators, but probably well understood and elucidated by conservatives, who were no doubt abused and ridiculed for their prescience.

    It’s almost guaranteed that any policy introduced by a left of centre government will lead to a demonstration of it.

  • Adaadat

    What the hell is this liberal “Newsy” stuff doing here? I can get the same ignorance from the BBC. She – a Canadian, I presume – references The Grauniad, for God’s sake.

  • Spiney

    I find the conclusion rather odd, they are risking jail time because they are bored?
    I’m curious if there’s groupthink going on in all 3 parties.

  • Corbus

    They were not big riots. Mere scuffling disturbances in the ‘project’ outskirts of towns, notably Stockholm. Likely the result of ‘disenfranchised’ immigrants and ‘disenfranchised’ resentful Swedes that haven’t fully self-actualised.

  • global city

    The Scandanavian media/liberalleft mindmeld model is the one we will have.

  • Drakken

    The writer of this leftist drivel forgot to mention the 800 lbs. gorilla in the room, ISLAM !and the fact that those muslim immigrants look upon you Europeans as weak and will give you more riots because your tepid pacifistic approach to aggression will only invite more. Welcome to the new Balkans on steroids that will make a Serbs blush. You can thank your overlords for flooding your countries with the 3rd world in order to make you the 3rd world.

  • James ADAMS

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  • PartTimeParent

    Can I sat the un-mentionable? Just as different races have different skin colours, testosterone levels, builds and etc. Maybe some races have different personalities too? Some able to co-operate, while others more prone to violence?

  • Nici

    The Religion of Multiculturalism has deliberately imported a lunatic, violent
    culture into the heart of the Liberal Western Democracies.

    The action was always going to end in disaster, and so it has.

    The Problem is now endemic in The West.

    It’s time to force the politicians their families and their
    bureaucratic advisors to live in the neighborhoods that they have so destroyed.
    Let’s see how they react when confronted with the true face of the religious
    disease of Multiculturalism.

  • johnslattery

    If I had to live permanently in Sweden I would probably riot myself, out of boredom. It’s just not a fun place to be and if you ask me never really was, however good the welfare system and whatever drooling leftie idiots who have never spent a winter there might say. Distances are enormous; it casts a pall on the whole country, knowing that there is no settlement of more than 200 people for the next fifty miles, which is what most of Sweden is like. People don’t talk to each other spontaneously–nine hour train rides are like being locked in a moving Cistercian monastery or whatever that sect that took the vow of silence was. Despite all the multiculti garbage, most Swedes privately resent (actually I suspect intensely hate) the forced race-mixing, and many of them coldshoulder the Middle Easterners they have to pretend are just like them. The Arabs in turn get resentful at having sacrificed family ties to come to a cold, empty northern wilderness where the food is crap, everything costs the earth, they cannot communicate except in pidgin English and nobody likes to meet their gaze or hire them or live near them. It’s a bloody awful situation, for which the Swedes have nobody to blame but their stupid, cowardly, brainwashed leftie selves. Ack, stackars Sverige.

  • Mike E

    Good analysis, but he forgot one issue: Through the new policy of mass immigration in Sweden the country is flooded with people from the Middle East and North Africa, completely different cultures and they either don’t want to integrate or just can’t. They are without education and cannot compete for the modern types of jobs that exists in today’s Sweden.

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