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Whoever wins in Syria, its Christians will lose

Persecution of Christians is on the rise across the Middle East

31 August 2013

31 August 2013

David Cameron will almost certainly get his Syrian war. Who will fight it, let alone who will win it, remains unclear. But who will lose it is already known — the Christians.

The relentless persecution of Christ’s followers is foretold in the Gospels. Suffering is portrayed as the pathway to triumph. The global position today conforms quite closely to that picture. Three quarters of the world’s 2.2 billion Christians — the expanding part — now live outside the largely tolerant West. At the same time, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life reports that Christians suffer more persecution than any other religious group.

Within the Middle East, however, the story is not of expansion accompanied by persecution but of persecution leading to elimination. The ‘Sunday’ people are now following the ‘Saturday’ people out of the Middle East. The outgoing Chief Rabbi, Lord Sacks, who knows that history, has called the suffering of Arab Christians ‘a human tragedy that is going almost unremarked’. He complained that ‘people don’t speak more about it’.

But do not expect the British government to speak about it. In all the deliberation about targets, timetables and media opportunities, as they ratchet up Britain’s creaking war machine, not a moment will be wasted on the consequences of intervention for Syria’s Christian population. Whether in Iraq, or Syria, or Egypt, or in any future hotspot (Lebanon will probably be next) the Christian community somehow is always just too insignificant, and usually on the wrong side of the argument. In Iraq, Christians were thought too close to Saddam. In Syria, they are reckoned too close to Assad. In Egypt, where the Coptic Pope openly backed the military ‘non-coup’ against the Muslim Brotherhood’s President Morsi, the Christians find no sympathy from western policy makers.

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One reason is that Arab Christians do not fit into the governing global misconceptions. In the Middle East, reflective people are unimpressed by promises of democracy.  In particular, Christians there have understood, after centuries of experience, that western promises are worthless, because westerners never stay engaged. Christians reckon that their only guarantee of survival is stability; that their only hope for equality is secularism; and that their two great enemies are Islamic zeal and anarchy. And they are right, even if that makes no sense to Britain’s neocon Prime Minister and his advisers.

Wherever any strongly Islamic regime is in power, Christians suffer. It is an immutable rule. And the more Islamic the state, the harsher the treatment Christians receive. Since the Arab Spring, every upheaval or election in the Middle East has brought some brand of Islamist to power. In every case, Christians are threatened.

Iraq’s troubles preceded those of the rest, but they are important because they eerily prefigure them. ‘Democracy’, imposed at gunpoint, has meant in Iraq, among other horrors, the mass persecution of the country’s Christian minority. Murders, kidnappings, intimidation and expulsions, impelled by a mixture of greed and fanaticism, have reduced that ancient, venerable community to total ruin.  Of some 1.4 million Christians living in Iraq before the war, perhaps 400,000 — mostly the poor and the old — remain.

Many Iraqi refugees left to join the two million indigenous Christians of Syria. They now share their hosts’ lot — persecution by the western-supported, Saudi-financed, Islamist-dominated Syrian rebels. Large areas of opposition-held Syria are now under sharia law. Saudi judges have appeared to administer it. Non-Muslims are only tolerated if they pay the jizya, the tax imposed on infidels. Priests are special targets. This is where a Syrian Catholic priest, Father François Murad, was murdered last month. He was not the first to die. A Syrian Orthodox priest, Father Fadi Haddad, was grabbed last December as he left his church to negotiate the release of a kidnapped parishioner. His body was found by the roadside, the eyes gouged out. Two higher-profile recent cases — if not high enough for the government or most of our press to notice — are those of the Greek Orthodox archbishop Paul Yazigi and the Syriac Orthodox archbishop Yohanna Ibrahim. They were seized near Aleppo in April, when trying to negotiate the release of kidnapped priests. Both archbishops are now presumed dead.

The case of Egypt is more problematic for the West, which, with Britain as chief dupe, has managed to misread and misplay every move since the fall of Mubarak in early 2011. The West thought that removing a dictator would ensure democracy. Instead, it permitted the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, not a party but an unreconstructed Islamist movement, which rapidly, if incompetently, sought to reshape Egypt, until non-Islamists rebelled, and the army intervened. Whether the Coptic Orthodox Pope, Tawadros II, turns out to have been inspired or just foolhardy in backing the army, only events will decide.

By his action he rejected the traditional Muslim assumption that Egypt’s Copts — 10 per cent of the population — enjoyed second-class status. That was a direct challenge. The Islamists have reacted wherever they are in control. Since Morsi’s removal, 58 Christian churches, as well as several convents, monasteries and schools and dozens of homes and businesses have been looted, burned and in many cases destroyed. Tawadros himself has gone into hiding. In Cairo, Franciscan nuns watched as the cross over their school was torn down and replaced by an al-Qa’eda flag; the school remains were burnt; and then three of the sisters were marched through the streets, while a mob hurled abuse at them. The reaction of the US State Department’s official spokesman to these outrages was: ‘Clearly, any reports of violence we’re concerned about, and when it involves a religious institutions [sic], are concerned about that as well.’ The words ‘church’, ‘Christian’ or ‘persecution’ could not cross that eloquent spokesman’s lips. Nor, it is safe to say, will they figure in one of William Hague’s innumerable tweets.

This refusal to acknowledge the systematic maltreatment of Christians by Islamic governments is, of course, shameful, but also revealing. The facts are well known, but they are ignored. They embarrass, because they expose the impotence of the West, whereas its leaders like to pose as statesmen arbitrating the future of nations. But they also embarrass modern liberals generally, because they show how little has changed in the great religious and cultural struggles that dominate history.

In May, Pope Francis canonised some 800 martyrs. These Otranto martyrs were all beheaded by the Ottoman Turks in 1480 for refusing to convert to Islam. What now faces Christians in the Arab world, as the West flounders, blunders and postures, may yet provide further reminders of Otranto.

Robin Harris was director of the Conservative Research Department from 1985 to 1988, and is the author of Not for Turning: the Life of Margaret Thatcher.


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  • Margot

    How about Justin Welby organising some sort of propaganda. Might redeem his predecessor’s ridiculous views on Sharia. Seriously, we should do something to help.

    • DanteGabrielRossetti

      The Pope is also mum about it. He rather talks about the plight of these “poor” Muslims that are flooding Lampedusa.

  • Pootles

    The plight of Christians across the Middle East (and beyond) is an issue that needs much more exposure in our media, and some real attempts to support them from the West. It is not an exaggeration to see, in the relatively near future, a situation when there will be no Chistian Arabs left in their homelands – just as the Jewish communities in the Muslim world were ‘cleansed’. At the moment, for example, the majority of Egyptian background people in the UK are Copts, although they only make up 10% of the Egyptian population. As societies, we in the West are constantly being taken to task for our ‘Islamaphobia’, yet Islam in Europe is flourishing, while Christianity in its ancient homelands is in terminal, enforced, decline. Let’s hear more about these issues from our ‘leaders’, and let’s see some real support for Arab Christians!

  • Fasdunkle

    The massively well funded islamophobia industry has convinced the media that muslims are the most persecuted people on earth – yet muslims have freedom of worship everywhere in the west. Yet in muslim countries freedom of worship is rare and often illegal. The secretary general of the saudi based OIC has said combating islamophobia is his number one priority – his organisation is based in a country where freedom of religion is illegal and everyotherreligionbutislamophobia is state policy.

  • yamkhad

    “In May, Pope Francis canonised some 800 martyrs. These Otranto martyrs were all beheaded by the Ottoman Turks in 1480 for refusing to convert to Islam.”
    – Sir, have you heard of the Inquisition?

    • Keith D

      Newsflash.This is the 21st century and only one cult is compelled by its book to behead the sub human non believers.

    • Fasdunkle

      less people killed in all the years of the spanish inquisition than muslims killed in the period of ramadan which ended recently

  • Hermiz

    Where are the political, religious and Human rights champion leaders from the campaign against the Christians of the Middle East?
    First of all we should not call the Christians of the Middle East “Arabs” , speaking the language imposed on the original settlers and the indigenous people of the Middle East does not give justification to be called with different nationality, The Christians of Iraq , Iran and Syria are the indigenous Assyrians and the indigenous
    Christians of Egypt are the Copts . We feel the pain when hearing every day about the killings of our innocent people, bombing our churches, abduction and raping of young Christian girls by criminal gangs, and armed militia, known for their violation of human rights.
    Assyrian & Coptic blood has been shed. Our blood is still being shed on the great
    land of Assyria (Iraq & Syria) and Egypt.
    In the last couple of years, since the war started, hundreds of Assyrians have been killed in Iraq and Syria, and over a million fled Assyria. We are paying the price for freedom and democracy in Iraq, Egypt and now Syria, regardless whether or not we ask for our rights in these countries. The blood of our brothers and sisters and our ancestors is screaming out of the soil of the Middle East… It is time that the governments and the International community who calls for democracy, justice and Human Rights to stand up for the rights of the Indigenous people.

    • Keith D

      The UN is in thrall to the OIC and the West is paralysed by cultural relativism where muslim savagery is regarded as superior to those who value humanity.And we have a US president as chief cheerleader for the Muslim Brotherhood.
      Add to that the years of treachery in encouraging mass migration of muslims to the West and there you have the answer.The bubbleistas only care about themselves and the vote count.
      We who do value and wish to protect the minorities in the ME are villified by a MSM and Government who would prostrate themselves before the devil rather than offend the muslims.
      I can only speak personally but I’d offer ever Christian from there a home in Europe.Our muslims,who actually dislike our ways in truth,could be encouraged to make up the population shortfall in those countries.I’d buy them a ticket.

      • Hermiz

        Islam in on the increase in the Middle East by numbers, faith and power, encouraging them to come to Europe will be even worse,
        because in few years’ time they will dominate the governing power in the so called Christian countries of the west. The only solution to keep Christians in the Middle East is to create a safe haven for them in Egypt and Iraq /Syria. It is a shame, it is absolutely a shame!!!!! That the rights of the Copts, Assyrians and other endogenous Christian of the Middle East are stepped on by the western powers particularly in the last century. They are letting a smallgroup of hardliners in the region to take over Iraq, Syria, Egypt , Lebanon and other countries of the Middle East. How
        can they call themselves Christians and Civilized if they are willing to turn their back to the suffering of Christians in these countries, they are giving in to the Will of the evil terrorists and hardliners .
        The control of Iraq was given to Arabs by the British instead of the Christian Assyrians in 1930s. A huge mistake… The first thing the Iraqi Army did in 1933 after signing the League of nation’s agreement to protect the rights of the minorities, was to march on the Assyrian towns in the north of Iraq and massacred over 6000 people, and destroyed over 60 villages while the Britishwere observing. If the Assyrians the real residents of Iraq had the control of that country, we didn’t have to play around with someone crazy like Saddam????? The region would have been more stable, and we could have worked with them to share the resources of Middle East more effectively. They could have helped Israel, the Armenians in the north, and the rest of the world to have a long lasting peace on a global level. Now that God has given the western power an opportunity once more they have to help the Assyrians in Iraq and Syria and the Coptic nation of Egypt and set the past mistakes right again. We have to help these Christians now with all we have or we will be very sorry in the future because we are going to keep having these global terrorist actions until the end of times if we don’t fix the situation today.

        • Keith D

          Thank you Hermiz for your excellent post.This should be compulsory reading for every politician in the West.
          They are socialists rather than Christians,and in the case of POTUS,I strongly suspect his religous convictions lie somewhere other than Christianity.He certainly acts if he’s an Islamist.
          What astonishes me is that after 1400 years of conflict the ostriches in power still haven’t got a clue that Islam is at war with us.Our crime is not involvement in the ME or support of Israel.
          Our crime is quite simply,we are not muslims.
          And our refusal to present them with the only things they’ve ever understood.
          Power and payback.

          To think my father put on a uniform to go and fight Nazism yet our present leadership want to encourage Islamofascism.Our fathers would not recognise the countries we have now become.
          I cant pretend to know the answers but a safe haven in the region for Christians would be a good place to start.

        • Robert Mitchum

          Yes, a very good comment Hermiz. In fact I have just been reading about the Assyrian and Greek genocide, having already known about the appalling slaughter of the Armenians. I agree, Christians are just not safe under Islamic rule and it seems as though, like the Jews after the Second World War, it has reached the point where they too need a safe haven, after all, the Western powers created them for the Muslims in Kosovo. I find it truly heartbreaking that Christians, who predate the Muslims in that area, live in constant fear of these utterly barbaric neanderthal excuses for human beings. When they described how that Catholic priest in Syria was dragged out and beheaded in front of a mob of cheering men, women and children and yet we were expected to send troops to help these murderers, it seems our politicians should at least have the honesty to convert to Islam if they feel such sympathy for them, whilst turning their backs on the followers of Jesus.

        • Venk Shenoi

          appears like a spitting image of Taliban political agenda – can only come from the Middle-East. If you call yourself a Christian how can you lament for a lost political ideology to control earthly territory, and people? Christianity as state religion is dead and true Christians do not want to be involved in earthly politics or domination of others.

        • John of Kent

          Re The murders of Assyrians by Iraqis in the 1930s. Britain refused to help them and the British government of the day only allowed their patriarch to come to the UK on condition he did not talk to the press about the massacres. There were Daves in British government even then.

          • Hermiz

            Thank you Keith, John & Robert for the interest in the above issue, being an Assyrian for me it is an important issue and on going problem seeking international solution.
            The last century was to be the darkest chapter in the history of the Assyrians. Those few millions who had survived the melting process of the millennia, and had remained homogeneous in their ancestral homeland, became the victims of one of the worst Assyrian genocides in the early part of the 20th century by the Ottomans Empire that dominated most of the Middle East from fifteenth century to the first part of the twentieth century, which completely reshaped the destiny of the Assyrian people.
            In 1911, the Young Turk “Committee for Unity and Progress” declared its goal to “Turkify” all Ottoman subjects. This implementation of the Pan-Turkic program and ideology can be described as the “Dark Period” of ethnic and religious “cleansing” of the Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, without fear of international condemnation and political reprisals. Prior to WWI Assyrians lived as one nation numbering a million and half, and inhabiting about 750 villages across the Taurus mountains, Tur Abdin, Hakkari, Botan and Tigris areas. Assyrians also lived in the larger towns of Urhai, Diyarbakir, Mardin, Mosul (Iraq), Aleppo and Damascus (Syria).
            When Turkey entered the war in November 1914, the Assyrians were filled with hope. Those that lived in Turkish Mesopotamia and Persia thought that liberation was imminent. It was a time of promises for an independent statehood in the sacred soil of their ancestors. To that end, Assyrians subjected to hundreds of years of continuous persecution and massacres, sided with the allies for protection, first with the Russians from May 1915 to October 1917, then with the British forces following the Bolshevik Revolution. Instead of liberation they were subjected to the genocide of their people, and the loss of more than two-thirds of their then estimated 1.5 million populations.
            Documents, historical materials and diaries of eye witness accounts convey of the beating of little children with stones, dismembered bodies of women and girls who refused to be raped, the beheading of men, those who refused to convert to Islam and the burning and skinning alive of priests, nuns and deacons.
            As WWI came to an end, preparations began to settle all disputes between the winning Allied Powers and the losing Central Powers. At the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, under Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant, Iraq was formally made a Class “A” mandate country entrusted to Britain. Here the British continued to show the Assyrians that they were going to keep their promise they have made to the Assyrians, who served the Allies throughout the Great War, including the issue of a homeland. the thought of a betrayal did not trigger the Assyrians’ mind. But it would become clear in 1932 when the mandate was terminated and Iraq was admitted to the League of Nations that the policy of the Colonial Britain has been anything but honorable, as admitted by many British officials. Today the history of betrayal is repeating itself again.

          • Robert Mitchum

            Dear Hermiz, my grandfather was in the Royal Fusiliers in the 1920s and was sent to Greece with the army to act as a buffer between Greece and Turkey. He remembered seeing photographs of Turks proudly posing between two tables on each of which was an Armenian’s severed head. He also remembered seeing someone who had been hideously wounded by the Turks and all they could do was put his then dead body into a river. Needless to say that coloured his view of the Turks for the rest of his life.

          • Robert Mitchum

            Thank you John of Kent for informing me of that. I once worked on a television programme about Auschwitz which revealed the Foreign Office knew what was going on but said nothing. When Leonard Cheshire VC was informed of this, many years later, he was dismayed and said the railway lines could have easily have been bombed to halt the flow of the human cargo to the gas chambers and furnaces.

      • crosscop

        It would make a lot of sense to make a refuge for all Middle Eastern Christians in the Lebanon. Lebanon was a Christian country before the Muslim invasions and as recently as the 1960s was majority Christian.

    • Venk Shenoi

      Religion does not come into British politics – you will have to go to Eastern Europe or Greece to get support for your lost cause.

    • realpotik

      Salaams speaking the oppressor? NO Arabic existed LONG before Islam did

  • Robert Mitchum

    Don’t look to the C of E to speak out as they are too busy slagging off Israel which, for all its faults, is the only democracy in the area AND the only country where Christians are safe. I’d rather we allowed Copts rather than Muslims into the UK as at least your head is not in danger of parting company with your shoulders when they are around.

    • Paul

      Robert I enjoy your opinion immensely.

      • Robert Mitchum

        Thank you, Paul. It is a subject which saddens me greatly.

        • Paul

          Living in the States As I do now, Americans have a hard time understanding that there are Arab Christians. I fight the good fight on their behalf but I do not believe anyone cares.

          • Robert Mitchum

            It seems to be the case everywhere. I donate to a charity which draws to the attention of the UN the abuse of Christians, but what do they care? I sign petitions and whatever else but without the people with power and influence being bothered, what hope is there? However, many people I talk to say “Why should we help people in Syria who are murdering Christians and given half a chance would murder us?”, so, once again, the ordinary person in the street has a far better grasp of reality and knows the correct response to problems. At least in the States Paul there seems to still be a large residue of the belief and attitude which provided the backbone of America – even if your current leadership doesn’t. Over here we witness the full scale assault on all the traditions which kept this country cohesive and relatively law-abiding and moral. What “useful idiots” they are – and lambs to the slaughter should their Muslim mates achieve power. Best wishes to you – I’d stay in the States if I were you.

  • Adrian Wainer

    ” And they are right, even if that makes no sense to Britain’s neocon Prime Minister and his advisers. “,.

    Mr Harris, I have to read your article fully but at a quick glace it seems a most excellent piece of journalism and analysis. One small quibble but never the less an important point is that David Cameron is not a neo-Con in fact he is not any sort of conservative in the British tradition. What Cameron actually is, is a turbo-Capitalist leftist policy orientated Fascist Islamist Quisling. A real neo-Con British Government engaging in full throttle neo-Con policies would have TSR II UCAVs sitting on RAF airfields in Lincolnshire under QRA armed with tactical nuclear weapons, a fully operational aircraft carrier carrying fixed wing fighter-bomber aircraft and would for example introduce cultural weighting in to immigration policy with an effect that Christian immigration in to the UK would be favored over Muslim immigration and would be providing technical, financial and other backing to the interim Egyptian Government in order to support it in its efforts to neutralize the threat posed by the Muslim Brotherhood to the Egyptian and British peoples.

    • Venk Shenoi

      Adrian, you appear to be a neo-Nazi and know little about Britain or the British, wanting the British to collaborate with a fascist Pope much like Hitler’s concordat with Pius.

      Don’t bring your European pseudo-Christian fascist views here. You also have no understanding of British Conservatism or Cameron.

      • Keith D

        You must have confused him for the Grand Mufti and the hordes of muslim SS jew slaughterers.Zero credibility ,Taqqiya man.Bye now.

        • Venk Shenoi

          Haven’t got a clue – Taqqiya man ???

          • Adrian Wainer

            ” Haven’t got a clue – Taqqiya man ??? “,.
            Venk Shenoi

            Ismail ibn Kathir 1301 1373 quotes Muhammad’s companion, Abu Ad Darda, who said “we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them” and al Hasan who said “the Tuqyah is acceptable till the Day of Resurrection”. Please note there is no universally accepted format of presenting Arabic language words in an English language context using the the latin alphabet. I rather suspect you know all about taqiyya are a Muslim and an Islamist and that you are simply attempting to play dumb. By the way if you are a Muslim who is an Islamist and you also happen to genuinely believe in Allah the merciful and the compassionate, if you are right in believing in the existence of Allah but wrong in your understanding of Islam you may with reference to a Chinese saying, see yourself living in interesting times in the afterlife,.

            Noble Koran surah 63 aya 4
            al Munafiqoon the Hypocrites
            revealed at Yathrib

            Yusufali
            When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah be on them! How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!
            Pickthal
            And when thou seest them their figures please thee; and if they speak thou givest ear unto their speech. (They are) as though they were blocks of wood in striped cloaks. They deem every shout to be against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. Allah confound them! How they are perverted!
            Shakir
            And when you see them, their persons will please you, and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back?

          • Bonkim

            what a load of tosh – intelligent men posting their meaningless rant.

      • Adrian Wainer

        ” Adrian, you appear to be a neo-Nazi and know little about Britain or the British, wanting the British to collaborate with a fascist Pope much like Hitler’s concordat with Pius.

        Don’t bring your European pseudo-Christian fascist views here. You also have no understanding of British Conservatism or Cameron. “,.
        Venk Shenoi

        And what ” fascist Pope ” would you you be talking about my fruend ? Oh and by the way not all people of German heritage and culture are neo-Nazis or are you some sort of a racist bigot ?

        Vor sprung durch technic und gott mit uns. Isaiah 40:31

        Israel’s Augsburg eagle Avia Messerschmitt Bayerische Flugzeugwerke S-199
        http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/340/pics/89_9.jpg

        Elisabeth Serenade
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gceWy-CxPok

    • Jambo25

      You’re right Adrian. Cameron along with most of the rest of the Tory Party since the time of the lamentable Heath; through La Thatch and Major, i not a true Conesrvative but a social liberal and economic liberal.

  • Adrian Wainer

    If Britain had a genuine and competent liberal or conservative or socialist government not the LibLabCon rubbish then many Islamists in Muslim majority countries would be deterred from persecuting Christians for the reason that they would simply be scared as to what Britain might do in response, it would not be a magic bullet solution to the present problems which Christians are suffering in Muslim majority countries but it would make things a lot better for Christians in many majority Muslim countries.

    Ronald Reagan – A Time for Choosing (October 27, 1964)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pbp0hur9RU

    B-1 Bomber
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9H5pxpB8M

    • Venk Shenoi

      are the Christians in Muslim countries any worse than Muslims in nominally secular countries in Europe, Asia, and the Americas, including Britain? People of any faith feel uncomfortable and persecuted in countries their religions do not dominate – it is all in the mind. The vast majority of people in Britain don’t care about religion, but still see Islam as an alien culture – may be their PR is poor compared with say the Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu communities – may be Islam is a middle-ages religion not compatible with 21st century mindsets – and the Christians in Muslim lands see themselves as special people surrounded by non-believers – same as Muslim minorities living in their ghettos feel in Britain, and in Europe.

      People all over the world are getting polarised on religion – a far cry from the liberal 60s and 70s. and the young more so that the earlier generations. The problem of minority religions/sects is not just in Syria – look around – India, Pakistan, Burma, Sri Lanka, Malasia, Australia, the US, UK and Europe, Russia – almost all over the world minorities don’t feel comfortable..

      • Adrian Wainer

        ” are the Christians in Muslim countries any worse than Muslims in nominally secular countries in Europe, Asia, and the Americas, including Britain? People of any faith feel uncomfortable and persecuted in countries their religions do not dominate – it is all in the mind. The vast majority of people in Britain don’t care about religion, but still see Islam as an alien culture – may be their PR is poor compared with say the Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu communities – may be Islam is a middle-ages religion not compatible with 21st century mindsets – and the Christians in Muslim lands see themselves as special people surrounded by non-believers – same as Muslim minorities living in their ghettos feel in Britain, and in Europe.

        People all over the world are getting polarised on religion – a far cry from the liberal 60s and 70s. and the young more so that the earlier generations. The problem of minority religions/sects is not just in Syria – look around – India, Pakistan, Burma, Sri Lanka, Malasia, Australia, the US, UK and Europe, Russia – almost all over the world minorities don’t feel comfortable.. “,.
        Venk Shenoi

        ” are the Christians in Muslim countries any worse than Muslims in nominally secular countries in Europe, Asia, and the Americas, including Britain? People of any faith feel uncomfortable and persecuted in countries their religions do not dominate – it is all in the mind. “,.
        So for example Christians being slaughtered in Our Lady of Salvation Syriac Catholic cathedral in Baghdad, Iraq on October 31 2010 never actually happened and it merely existed in people’s imaginations, is that what you are claiming to be the case. Can I also ask because of the construction of the argument in your posting have you a university qualification in psychology and also have you been diagnosed as being a psychopath ?

        • Venk Shenoi

          Not sure why you are getting all heated about by an attrocity committed in Baghdad in 2010 – when Iraq is a communal battleground with people slaughtering each other – between Muslim sects and others. The world is full of such communal hatreds and atrocities. the Muslims are killing other Muslims in tens of thousands in the countries of the Middle-East, South, and South-east Asia, Christians and Muslims are at each other in the Philippines, Indonesia, Muslims and Hindus are being massacred in countries such as Bangladesh, Burma, Sri-Lanka, – that is the state of the earth we live in, religion is the root cause of most of the world’s problems, and the Christian religion had its share of blood-letting and inhuman actions.

          Specific to Baghdad, check what the Police have done to check such conflicts – there is some semblance of law and order there however imperfect – totally lacking in many parts of the world.

          Now what did you expect the British Government to do – send a cavalry regiment to protect the Christian Churches?

          Regards Syria – different order of magnitude – an established government eliminating tens of thousands of its citizens using modern military equipment in a systematic way including gassing with nerve agents. Should the UN involve with a low level Church demolition and murder in Baghdad or major genocides in other parts of the world – and even there – the genocides in Rwanda, Sri Lanka, Burma, Cambodia etc, etc, – not much hue and cry from the British media there.

          would you have jumped to defend the Moors or American natives being burnt at the stake by the Spanish Inquisition and the Conquistadores or – is yours just a one sided cry?

          • Robert Mitchum

            If you have to go back to the 1500s and 1600s for an example of Christian iniquity I would say your argument has an air of desperation about it. By and large Christianity has moved on – in sharp contrast to Islam which resolutely refuses to move further than the 7th century.

          • Venk Shenoi

            Christianity has not moved on – most enlightened peopls have rejected fundamental Christianity – that still lurks in some parts of the world and raises its head. Most enlightened people came out of being dominated by the Church and Pope and taken on a path of rational enquiry. Regrettably mayny othe religions are still stuck in a time-warp ans need to cleanse themselves – our discussion will not achieve that – the topic under discussion is Syria and eliminating genocide there – yes sectarian divisions/violence is endemic in that region – separate issue/separate solutions if any. Most Western nations today are not theocracies or rule in the name of the Church or Pope – hence the enlightened way things operate – are you suggesting Western countries revert to their medieval practices?

          • Adrian Wainer

            ” Christianity has not moved on – most enlightened peopls have rejected fundamental Christianity – that still lurks in some parts of the world and raises its head. Most enlightened people came out of being dominated by the Church and Pope and taken on a path of rational enquiry. Regrettably mayny othe religions are still stuck in a time-warp ans need to cleanse themselves – our discussion will not achieve that – the topic under discussion is Syria and eliminating genocide there – yes sectarian divisions/violence is endemic in that region – separate issue/separate solutions if any. Most Western nations today are not theocracies or rule in the name of the Church or Pope – hence the enlightened way things operate – are you suggesting Western countries revert to their medieval practices? “,.
            Guest

            ” taken on a path of rational enquiry “,.
            And you are basing your positions on rational inquiry are you, like you read the Koran and decided it told you to lie to people to succeed in exterminating Christians and Jews and that is what you have proceeded to do ?

          • Jambo25

            Actually, the Scottish Enlightenment (Amongst other movements.) was a product of Christian thought and morality. When are we going to get the same thing in Cairo, Damascus or Baghdad?

          • Physiocrat

            Actually it was Gnostic, not Christian.

          • Jambo25

            Not so. Apart from Hume and possibly Lord Monboddo most luminaries of the Scottish Enlightenment were conventional Christians. Some were ministers or intended ministers such as Francis Hutcheson, Alexander Campbell, Dugald Stuart and William Robertson.

          • Physiocrat

            Fundamentalist Catholics and Orthodox become monks and nuns. The most fundamentalist Christians are Franciscans and Carthusians. They aren’t killing anyone nor ever have done.

          • Keith D

            This from the guy that thinks AQ praiseworthy.Muslims butcher people to make them uncomfortable.The West makes muslims uncomfortable by providing housing and benefits to their sick inbreeding violent hordes,.

          • Venk Shenoi

            You are forgetting the Mid-East is a medieval society – not comparable. Al Quaida needs to taken out – but all Muslims are not terrorists – same as not all Germans were Nazis.

          • Adrian Wainer

            ” You are forgetting the Mid-East is a medieval society – not comparable. Al Quaida needs to taken out – but all Muslims are not terrorists – same as not all Germans were Nazis. “,.
            Venk Shenoi

            ” You are forgetting the Mid-East is a medieval society “,.
            You seem to be arguing that Christians are in the same situation in Muslim majority countries as Muslims are in the UK so presumably then the UK is a Medieval society too, if so why wasn’t Anjem Choudary executed for insulting HM Queen Elizabeth II Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha in proposing that Buckingham Palace become a Mosque ?

            It’s Burkh-ingham Palace: Hate preacher calls for the Queen to wear full Muslim dress
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224153/Burq-ingham-Palace-Hate-preacher-calls-Queen-wear-Muslim-dress.html

            ” same as not all Germans were Nazis. “,.
            But don’t you hold the view that all Germans are Nazis ?

            German Empire
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UDXvCJqvA4

          • GeorgBusch

            But most Muslims are Islamists as we have seen in these recent elections. And Islamism is much more dangerous to civilized society than AQ will ever be. AQ is a sideshow that distracts from the real enemy which is Islamic fundamentalism.

          • Adrian Wainer

            ” Not sure why you are getting all heated about by an attrocity committed in Baghdad in 2010 – when Iraq is a communal battleground with people are slaughtering each other – amongst Muslim sects and others. The world is full of such communal hatreds and atrocities. the Muslims are killing other Muslims in tens of thousands in the countries of the Middle-East, South, and South-east Asia, Christians and Muslims are at each other in the Philippines, Indonesia, Muslims and Hindus are being massacred in countries such as Bangladesh, Burma, Sri-Lanka, – that is the state of the earth we live in, religion is the root cause of most of the world’s problems, and the Christian religion had its share of blood-letting and inhuman actions.

            Specific to Baghdad, check what the Police have done to check such conflicts – there is some semblance of law and order there however imperfect – totally lacking in many parts of the world. “,.
            Venk Shenoi

            If you had simply stated that a lot of bad things happen in the World and very many people who are not Christians are mistreated that would have been a reasonable but in my view you attempted to pursue a clever psychological game of arguing that there is no mistreatment of Christians in Muslim countries and Christians enjoy the same rights in Muslim majority countries as Muslims do in the UK which is a blatant falsehood. It appears that you are a pathological liar or a lunatic or you simply haven’t a clue about reality, which is it ?

          • Venk Shenoi

            Hello Adrian – no need to cut and paste previous comments and interpose a few words in between which are lost – nobody will read the lengthy bits – you need to brush up on communication science. Seriously I am not interested in a few Christians or other minorities getting done in Islamic lands – Minorities get persecuted all over the world – civil rights have become law in the western countries only in the past few decades and given that liberal thinking was established in recent years all sections including minorities are being treated fairly. Much of the world particularly the Mid-East/Islamic countries, Russia/China and South, and SE Asia, even Australia, the mindsets are more ethno-centric and sectarian, so don’t compare those countries with the West particularly the Anglo-Saxon and Northern European Protestant world. Eastern Europe/mediterranean you will find the sectarian divide widening. As an atheist all religions are superstition to me and much your waffle is lost. Christians, Jews and other minorities had adopted strategies to coexist in land dominated by other religions – same as Jews and Muslims in their Ghettos in Western countries. The same sort of segregated inward looking societies prevailed in the far flung outposts of Empire in the 19th and 20th centuries. It is possible that the Islamic populations across the world who had for long been kept ignorant and exploited by others more sophisticated and technically advanced, are simply waking up and asserting themselves and in the process minorities that have not integrated are finding life difficult. Social assimilation usually involve adoption of majority norms – for example many that emigrated to the US from Europe adopted anglo-sounding names to blend in and not stick out, many in Sothern and Eastern Europe converted to Islam when the Ottoman Empire was dominant, and conversely many Muslims in Spain/Portugal converted to Catholicism. Christianity and Islam are conversion religions – people an today’s Islam or Christian dominated lands were converted at some stage of their history. The process was no different in Europe as Christianity was spread mostly by violent means or conversion of the dominant rulers, persecution of the Jews is historic in Christian lands and many Muslim rules in history were quite benevolent in the practice of their religion – So history is not black and white but grey – finally ‘all that cry Lord Lord will not find the Kingdom of heaven.” so you need to examine your Christian ideals before throwing muck around indiscriminately.

          • Adrian Wainer

            ” Hello Adrian – no need to cut and paste previous comments and interpose a few words in between which are lost – nobody will read the lengthy bits – you need to brush up on communication science. Seriously I am not interested in a few Christians or other minorities getting done in Islamic lands – Minorities get persecuted all over the world – civil rights have become law in the western countries only in the past few decades and given that liberal thinking was established in recent years all sections including minorities are being treated fairly. Much of the world particularly the Mid-East/Islamic countries, Russia/China and South, and SE Asia, even Australia, the mindsets are more ethno-centric and sectarian, so don’t compare those countries with the West particularly the Anglo-Saxon and Northern European Protestant world. Eastern Europe/mediterranean you will find the sectarian divide widening. As an atheist all religions are superstition to me and much your waffle is lost. Christians, Jews and other minorities had adopted strategies to coexist in land dominated by other religions – same as Jews and Muslims in their Ghettos in Western countries. The same sort of segregated inward looking societies prevailed in the far flung outposts of Empire in the 19th and 20th centuries. It is possible that the Islamic populations across the world who had for long been kept ignorant and exploited by others more sophisticated and technically advanced, are simply waking up and asserting themselves and in the process minorities that have not integrated are finding life difficult. Social assimilation usually involve adoption of majority norms – for example many that emigrated to the US from Europe adopted anglo-sounding names to blend in and not stick out, many in Sothern and Eastern Europe converted to Islam when the Ottoman Empire was dominant, and conversely many Muslims in Spain/Portugal converted to Catholicism. Christianity and Islam are conversion religions – people an today’s Islam or Christian dominated lands were converted at some stage of their history. The process was no different in Europe as Christianity was spread mostly by violent means or conversion of the dominant rulers, persecution of the Jews is historic in Christian lands and many Muslim rules in history were quite benevolent in the practice of their religion – So history is not black and white but grey – finally ‘all that cry Lord Lord will not find the Kingdom of heaven.” so you need to examine your Christian ideals before throwing muck around indiscriminately. “,.

            ” you need to brush up on communication science “,.
            Did Dr Zakir Niak tell you to say that ?

            Naik – 25 mistakes in 5 min (6.2)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk5q9TeGo14

          • Jambo25

            Minorities do not get persecuted all over the world. They certainly do in Muslim dominated societies.

          • Adrian Wainer

            ” Not sure why you are getting all heated about by an attrocity committed in Baghdad in 2010 – when Iraq is a communal battleground with people slaughtering each other – between Muslim sects and others. The world is full of such communal hatreds and atrocities. the Muslims are killing other Muslims in tens of thousands in the countries of the Middle-East, South, and South-east Asia, Christians and Muslims are at each other in the Philippines, Indonesia, Muslims and Hindus are being massacred in countries such as Bangladesh, Burma, Sri-Lanka, – that is the state of the earth we live in, religion is the root cause of most of the world’s problems, and the Christian religion had its share of blood-letting and inhuman actions.

            Specific to Baghdad, check what the Police have done to check such conflicts – there is some semblance of law and order there however imperfect – totally lacking in many parts of the world.

            Now what did you expect the British Government to do – send a cavalry regiment to protect the Christian Churches?

            Regards Syria – different order of magnitude – an established government eliminating tens of thousands of its citizens using modern military equipment in a systematic way including gassing with nerve agents. Should the UN involve with a low level Church demolition and murder in Baghdad or major genocides in other parts of the world – and even there – the genocides in Rwanda, Sri Lanka, Burma, Cambodia etc, etc, – not much hue and cry from the British media there.

            would you have jumped to defend the Moors or American natives being burnt at the stake by the Spanish Inquisition and the Conquistadores or – is yours just a one sided cry? “,.
            Venk Shenoi

            ” Regards Syria – different order of magnitude – an established government eliminating tens of thousands of its citizens using modern military equipment in a systematic way including gassing with nerve agents. Should the UN involve with a low level Church demolition and murder in Baghdad or major genocides in other parts of the world – and even there – the genocides in Rwanda, Sri Lanka, Burma, Cambodia etc, etc, – not much hue and cry from the British media there. “,.

            As regards Syria. The UK has possibly the resources to destabilize the al Assad regime and cause its collapse, the UK does not have the resources to sort out the likely resulting mess if the al Assad regime goes down. In my view it is a War crime to attack a state except as a matter of self defense when such an attack may well leave the state being attacked in a catastrophically worse situation than if it had not been attacked and there is no realistic intention to try and alleviate such a consequence. As regards comparison betwen the Baghdad Church massacre and Syria that is your comparison not mine, I raised the issue of the Baghdad Church massacre to highlight your apparent claim that Christians enjoy the same rights and security in Muslim majority countries as Muslims do in the UK and that was it, you appear to have bolted Syria on to my argument for no legitimate reason entirely out of the apparently bizarre thought processes which you appear to be subject to or alternatively you will post any sort of rubbish as a technique of lying.

            ” Now what did you expect the British Government to do – send a cavalry regiment to protect the Christian Churches? “,.
            A very substantive responsibility for the Baghdad Church massacre lies with the George W Bush administration since the post Saddam takedown administration of Iraq was bungled, the US had also failed to properly degrade al Qaeda during the take down of the Taliban and the US was far too pally with and accommodating to the Saudis after 9/11. The British Government had responsibility for Basra and they failed miserably not giving the UK military the resources that were required to do the job that the British Government tasked the UK military with in Basra.

            ” would you have jumped to defend the Moors or American natives being burnt at the stake by the Spanish Inquisition “,.
            The Muslims and Christians in Spain have a complex history. Had I been in Spain in that era and forced to choose sides between the Muslims and the Christians, I might have chosen to support either the Christians or the Muslims or both at the same time give the particularities of the situation re time and location.

            As for the Incas had I been a European military specialist and found myself in South America I think it likely that I would have tried to assist the Incas to frustrate the efforts of the Conquistadors to land grab their territory.

            Runasimi del Perú (Qosqo): VOCABULARIO # 01 DE SALUDOS y
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ZQZHaCFHo

            Faucett Si…
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-z3KV6WqRI

          • Jambo25

            Actually, Roman Catholic priests, particularly Jesuits did their best to protect South American Amerindians up to the extent of helping them organise militarily.

      • crosscop

        “are the Christians in Muslim countries any worse than Muslims in nominally secular countries in Europe, Asia, and the Americas, including Britain? People of any faith feel uncomfortable and persecuted in countries their religions do not dominate – it is all in the mind.”
        You are out of your mind. Muslims are murdering Christians, burning their churches, persecuting them with blasphemy laws and raping their children – all over the globe. Wake up!

        • Venk Shenoi

          Yes – the Mid-East is still living in the Middle-ages and the US invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan, oil politics, and various other factors, and simultaneous rising of fanatic/fundamental Islam to counter western liberal values have re-ignited medieval fanaticism. Muslim lands did have tolerance for Jews and Christians in the past but regrettably 20th century rise of elemental nationalism coupled with the thrust to exploit the earth’s natural resources have made the previously ignorant masses wake up – and get at each other, and also at outside forces that they feel are exploiting the and humiliating their faith. These forces are at work in many parts of the world – not just in Muslim countries – look at India, Burma, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Philippines, the list is endless. Modern day evangelical Christians are not helping the matter by their aggressive conversion of the peasantry in many parts of the world, much like the missionaries of Victorian times which created pockets of rice-Christians across the globe and now beleagured by the majority that despise them – religion is the root cause of most of the world’s problems.

          • Physiocrat

            Christians were rarely better than tolerated in lands that were conquered by Muslims, and Muslim lands did not become that way through the eloquence of the Muslim teachers or the power of their arguments. Usually it was convert or die, that is if they were given any choice at all. After all, the Koran says “kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”, a text which has usually been interpreted literally.

      • Robert Mitchum

        The difference, Venk Shenoi, between the way Muslims make someone feel “uncomfortable” compared to most others is that they slit throats, behead, burn alive in churches, or string up at the end of a rope on a crane in a public square. A subtle difference I am sure you will agree.

        • Venk Shenoi

          sectarian atrocities no different – if the law of the land does not safeguard basic protection – don’t go there – as said – minorities are being persecuted/eliminated in many parts of the world – increasing prosperity in many developing countries have heightened nationalistic and sectarian tendencies, not helped by the perceived support for Israel and others by the West, as also recent invasions – the world out there is brutal – either fight it is it endangers us or stay away. Yes – minorities are under threat everywhere – and it was so all through history.

          • Jambo25

            Minorities are not being persecuted or eliminated in Western Europe. In fact Western European societies lean over backwards to make minorities, including, Muslim ones feel secure. My couple of Egyptian Christian friends have had very different experiences in Egypt.

  • Adrian Wainer

    ” BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS – SYRIAN SHAMBLES

    The only person to speak the truth & say it how it is
    was George Galloway in Parliament over the Syrian Issue,no wonder he was
    expelled from the Labour Party he wants Blair on Trial in the Hague.

    If Cameron & Hague along with other Misfits like
    Paddy Ashdown had got their way Putin had threatened Kuwait with dire consequences.Camerons
    BS about the decision was Democracy at its best was totally untrue.It was a
    combination of so many other variables we will never know the exact
    truth.Miliband was correct to make the stance he did but that was to regain
    some credibility and not for the sole purpose of a strike on Syria not being
    Just.He has now alienated himself from the Corrupt Coalition for the first time
    since its inception,he has played along with the Decimation of Britain as we
    knew it.The repercussions on the Tories that failed to vote for a Strike will
    be reverberating for weeks to come.BSB

    http://brokenbritishpolitics.simplesite.com/ “,.
    simmo70

    George Galloway supports the rights of Christians not to be murdered by Muslims does he, LOL. Who told you that the Hamas Bee that beats up defenseless animals or his pal the Hamas Bunny who calls for Jews and Christians to be exterminated ?

    Islamic Killer Bee Calls for Child Martyrs and Torture of Cats
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhQ0Y3F9eQ

  • Augustus

    Throughout the Islamic world Christian minorities are losing the protection of their societies. Why in heaven’s name doesn’t the West use its billions of development aid to preserve their human rights? And tie trade relations in with the protection of religious freedom. Instead of making such an inflated fuss about ‘Islamophobia’ we should be concentrating on the Christophobics of the Islamic world.

    • Venk Shenoi

      Losing battle there – all religions think theirs is the one true faith and God speaks in their language. No one practices the ideals of their nominal religion and culture/history and political events shape today’s perceived religious allegiances. No religion is worth defending and people of the middle East when they get more enlightened will come to think Islam is a con – same as people in Europe have come to recognize that the established Church is not true religion during the past two centuries. The earth is full of religious fanatics of various colours killing each other – and about time people woke up.

      • Adrian Wainer

        ” Losing battle there – all religions think theirs is the one true faith and God speaks in their language. No one practices the ideals of their nominal religion and culture/history and political events shape today’s perceived religious allegiances. No religion is worth defending and people of the middle East when they get more enlightened will come to think Islam is a con – same as people in Europe have come to recognize that the established Church is not true religion during the past two centuries. The earth is full of religious fanatics of various colours killing each other – and about time people woke up. “,.
        Venk Shenoi

        Britain could be an atheist or a Jewish state and still legitimately assert a right to protect Christians in Muslim majority countries where their basic human rights were being abused. People do not lose the right to be treated as human beings because they are Christians. Is the reason you are posting the materiel which are posting, that you are a Muslim and an Islamist and you believe that Christians in majority Muslim countries should be hunted down and exterminated but it suits your purposes better to advance Islamist objectives through taqiyya by pretending you are supportive of secular ideology and human rights ?

        • Howdy Dowdy

          Well said.

      • Howdy Dowdy

        Rubbish

  • davidhill

    ‘David Cameron will almost certainly get his Syrian war’.
    Never count your chickens and underestimate the resolve of the British people and their elected representatives. As the case here clearly shows and where things are changing for the better if democracy is to have any true meaning. Dictatorial top down has to make way for common-sense and the majority of free-thinking people’s determinations to forge a new way forward. If not, we might as well say goodbye to democracy altogether.
    Dr David Hill
    Chief Executive
    World Innovation Foundation

    • la Catholic state

      I agree. British people do not want this war…..and British soldiers are not to be treated as lackeys of a feckless, malign ruling class. Cameron has a cheek…..and we can’t let him get away with it.

  • cj_savarimuthu

    Christians in Syria, or anywhere else for that matter, should consider themselves fortunate for being victims of persecution. Their reward will be great when the time comes. That time will be the second coming of the Messiah, Yahushua the Anointed. It will be sooner than we expect.

    • Bonkim

      But the Muslims will have music, wine and 70 virgins each in heaven – Which one would you take?

      • la Catholic state

        No they won’t. The Muslim heaven is a figment of Mohammed’s imagination. Nothing more.
        Wonder where he is now eh?!

        • Fred Scuttle

          Are you being ironic?

    • Fred Scuttle

      Weird how God doesn’t do anything to help. I wonder why.

  • Eddie

    Funny how Muslims in the West are all for a war against the (non-Muslim, Alawite) Syrian president, but were totally against the war against (Muslim, Sunni) Saddam in Iraq. I wonder why…
    We should be against Islamists wherever they are – an d if that means supporting dictators who are secularist and tolerant of those of other faiths then so be it. Arrad is so much better than anything that can replace him. Ditto for Mubarak and Gadaffi.
    And we should let Allah sort it out, frankly, and on no account take any military action in Syria, especially as it is almost certain that the Islamists are the ones who captured and used chemical weapons to try and involve The West in the attempted Islamic revolution. They’re losing their civil war, so they are desperate.

    • la Catholic state

      I completely agree with you. No Christian soldier, even if nominal….should fight for Islamists, EVER.
      A British soldier was hacked to death on the streets of London recently. Now that craven viper Cameron wants British soldiers to go to the aid of Al Quaeda. How sick is that!

      • mrsjosephinehydehartley

        Now let’s stop crowing over other people’s terrible misfortunes, please – lest we become like vipers too.

        But in any event, how can a good Christian, fighting the good fight with eyes heavenwards..manage to exclude people of other faiths?

        • la Catholic state

          Whoever fights for Islamists…..fights for the Devil.
          And please….don’t accuse me in the wrong. Who Im supposed to be crowing over is a mystery!

  • Peter Stroud

    Cameron, Hague and Clegg should be made to read this article, in public view, before a TV camera. When will we start looking after believers other than Moslems? Interference in the Syrian conflict could hasten the day when Islamist fanatics rule Syria.

    • Fred Scuttle

      Surely it’s up to God to look after believers.

      • la Catholic state

        He will….in good time. And He will also send the enemies of Christians down….in good time. You will soon see.

        • Fred Scuttle

          So we don’t need to bother.

          • la Catholic state

            If you don’t bother about suffering Christians….you are their enemy. And it will not be good for you.

  • la Catholic state

    The West cares nothing for Christians or Christianity anymore. The plight of Christians will be best taken care of by Russia and Eastern European countries. What a tragedy.
    Do we need the Crusaders again to give these people safe passage to the West. Surely some of the blame falls on us sated and satisfied Western Christians….so emeshed in secular culture….that we don’t even care or plan for these people. How about safe passage to Lebanon….with the aim of creating a Middle Eastern Christian homeland for them..

  • Baptismal Vows

    I would add one correction.
    The author stated that, “The West thought that removing a dictator would ensure democracy. Instead, it permitted the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood…”.
    I maintain that the Socialist, anti-Christian West (Obama and his like) knew exactly what would happen in Egypt with the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Socialist West and Radical Islam form an unlikely alliance. Although very different in doctrine and methods, the two share a hatred for Christianity based Western Civilization. They both want to see it completely destroyed – that means eradicating Christians in any way or form possible – by death and eviction in third world countries or by government suppression of religious freedom in developed ones.

    • la Catholic state

      I agree with all you said…except it’s not just lefty Socialists who are partial to Islamists. Right wing Tories like Cameron and Hague are too. In fact…..all Western Elite are so secretly anti-Christian….that they are pro-Islamists.

      • Baptismal Vows

        I agree. In the U.S. “right wing” Repubs and “left wing” Dems are equally anti-Christian. The philosophy of the Masonic based world order is antithetic to Catholicism. Classic spiritual battle – the world and the flesh vs. the soul and spirit.

  • SPW

    Why does the plight of LGBT people abroad excite our media and politicians more than the plight of Christians? Surely at least there should be parity in concern for human rights, or are suffering Christians an embarrassment to a post-Christian society?

  • Jamalayka Jamalaya

    I fully agree with this article as a Christian from that area. However, calling us an Arab is an insult (unintentional insult). All Christians in the Middle East have nothing in common with the Arab. We are Arab speaking yes but 100% not Arab.

  • daibon Ten

    JESUS IS A KUNT

  • daibon Ten

    JESUS AND MOHAMMAD ARE BUTT BUDIES!

  • daibon Ten

    Who cares if the ISIS and the evangelicals kill one another… good riddance to both evil

    • daibon Ten

      There will be world peace if christianity and Islam dies away! The Two predatory cults and evil on this planet! Fk JEsus and fk his fagg0tty fried Mohammad!

      • daibon Ten

        Watching chrtistians and Muslims fight one another is like watching two lepers fight by pulling each others fingers off! Eeeeew!

  • daibon Ten

    Lets all work to eradicate Islam and christianity from this planet!

  • daibon Ten
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