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Whatever the leaders think, we can create a Tory-Ukip pact from the bottom up

28 September 2013

9:00 AM

28 September 2013

9:00 AM

The most common objection to a Tory-Ukip pact is that neither David Cameron nor Nigel Farage will touch it. So why waste time discussing it?

But a pact doesn’t need to be endorsed by the leaders of either party to work. What I have in mind is something bottom-up rather than top-down. A unite-the-right website set up by members of both parties that tells people who they should vote for in their constituency to keep out Labour and the Lib Dems.

Take Eastleigh, for instance, a seat currently held by the Lib Dems. Ukip came second at the by-election last year, so the advice would be to vote for Diane James in Eastleigh because she’s the candidate best placed to defeat the incumbent.

Sceptics will say this example is misleading. In the majority of constituencies, the advice will be to vote Conservative, either because there’s a sitting Tory MP or because the Conservatives came second in that seat in 2010. Why should Ukip supporters enter into any sort of tactical voting alliance with Conservatives when the impact will be so one-sided?

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The first thing to say is that the arrangement won’t be as asymmetrical as some Ukip voters think. The website won’t just base its recommendations of who to vote for in 2015 on the 2010 election result. It will take a number of other factors into account, such as the most recent local elections, the European election in 2014 and the latest opinion poll data.

Who will decide which candidate the website endorses? A committee made up of equal numbers from each party. Yes, there will be arguments, but in most cases it will be pretty clear which candidate is best placed to win the seat. Where the committee can’t agree, the seat will just be declared ‘too close to call’.

But even if we do take all these other factors into account, Tory candidates will still outnumber Ukip candidates by a ratio of at least two-to-one. A pact along these lines might increase the chances of a few Ukip candidates getting into Parliament, but its main effect will be to increase the likelihood of a majority Conservative government. Why should Ukip supporters countenance such an arrangement when most of them regard David Cameron as no better than the other two party leaders?

The short answer is that a majority Conservative government is the only way you’ll get an in-out EU referendum in the next Parliament. This could be our last chance in a generation — possibly ever — to extract ourselves from the European superstate. Is the prospect of David Cameron staying on as Prime Minister really so awful that you’re willing to throw that chance away? I know Cameron gave a ‘cast-iron guarantee’ once before, but this time round he’s made a promise he can’t break without destroying his own party.

There’s a longer answer, too, which has to do with all the other things we agree about. Supporters of both parties believe in low taxes, controlled immigration, freedom of speech, school choice, a welfare cap… the list goes on. The LibLabCon rhetoric belies the fact that we’re all, essentially, members of the same family. We’re all conservatives with a small ‘c’, even those Ukip supporters who voted Labour in the past. Whatever your feelings about the present leader of the Conservative party, surely a Cameron-led government, committed to an in-out referendum, would be preferable to a Miliband-led government? And make no mistake — that’s what we’ll get if we can’t put our differences aside and unite the right.

I’m not asking supporters of either party to betray their principles. Rather, I’m inviting them to ignore their personal feelings and consider the national interest. Think about what Britain would look like after five years of Ed Miliband. The economy in the toilet, immigration out of control and the last remnants of national sovereignty transferred to Brussels. The Great Britain you know and love would be gone, replaced by a politically correct dystopia in which no dissent from left-wing groupthink is tolerated. Will the last person to leave the country please turn out the Ecozone energy-saving Biobulb?

If that vision of the future doesn’t appeal to you, join me in trying to heal the rift among conservatives. Help me set up a tactical voting website. Become a member of the joint Conservative-Ukip committee. Email me at tobyyoung@mac.com and let’s unite the right.

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  • Stuart Parr

    Three problems with your grand idea to save Cameron at the next election:

    1. The membership don’t want a pact with the toxic Tories
    2. UKIPpers aren’t all right wing
    3. We don’t want the Tories to win the next election any more than Labour or the Lib Dems

    There will be no pact, we will contest every seat at the next election. Whether the Tories or Labour get the most seats is irrelevant because they’re both as bad as each other. We will have UKIP MPs in 2015 and we will hold whichever government is in power to account and influence policy as we do now, only far more effectively with seats in Westminster.

    • Steve Read

      Whilst I understand why the majority of UKIP comments are against Toby’s suggestion, it should be remembered that we live in a pseudo-democracy. I believe that the majority of ‘non-political’ people in this country would rather not be governed by Red Ed with his left of left wing views. A pact between the Tories and UKIP might just be what is needed the swing a considerable majority of voters behind such a coalition

      • Andrew Tekle-Cadman

        Nope, it would look as a political class stitch up and profoundly alienate a lot of voters who loath the Tory party.

        • Steve Read

          ..and a Lib-Lab coalition is not a stitch-up? UK politics is founded stitch-ups.

          I think you’re wrong. I believe that there are a lot more voters who loath Red Ed and his union thug bully boy supporters.

          • Smithersjones2013

            There are figures which suggest about 30 per cent of voters would not ever consider voting Labour and 42% who would never vote Tory. Do the maths. Anyone who taints themselves by linking themselves with the Tories is only limiting their future potential.

            Just ask the Libdems. They lost half their vote for fornicating with the Tories.

          • Steve Read

            …………..but probably because the Liberal supporters are basically weak- need socialists who would never vote Tory. The majority of UKIP supporters are probably leaning towards conservatism but their main objective is to get rid of EU bureaucratic control and deal with immigration.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Not according to the recent Yougov poll 40% of those currently planning to vote UKIP and 25% of those planning to vote Tory would not support a Con/UKIP pact.

        The reality is that the Tories would lose vote share if a pact was made and Labour would have a bigger majority and support.

    • Marcus

      1. UKIP can not win the next election or even gain more than a few seats.
      2. They can however pull the Tories in the direction that they want if they are in a coalition. Just look at the Lib dems and AV referendum.
      3. Nigel Farage will have far more influence over Cameron than he will have over Miliband as the Tories are far more eurosceptiv than Labour.
      If you want a Eurosceptic governement, the above plan is your only choice.

  • dftrtuyuuutt

    It is not difficult Cameron
    1- stop immigration
    2- EU vote in 2015 and support out
    3- british jobs for british workers we are fed up with immigrants taking all the jobs
    4- commonwealth free trade deal

  • Ray Finch

    Any Tory branch organisation that tried that would be kicked out of the party by Mr. Cameron.

  • http://free-english-people.blogspot.com/ Paul Perrin

    I will run as an independent anti-EU candidate if anyone *dares* to attempt a pact and try to rob local voters of a real anti-EU option. I am sure many other 2010 UKIP candidates would do the same (we ran in 2010 under our own steam, we can do it again) – no deal can be done, its not in you power to stop me, so STFU about deals – they won’t happen because they can’t.

    Have you spoken to the labour councillors who have switched to UKIP? See what they think of you delusion?

    Cameron/Conservatives were #NO2AV – now tory idiots are worried about a vote being ‘split’ — Cameron f*d up again… you are a general election too late.

    • Jethro Asquith

      Is this the typical language of an UKIP member? If so then I think it would be best for the Conservatives to stay clear.

      • http://free-english-people.blogspot.com/ Paul Perrin

        As long as hard-core eu-loving conservatives stay clear that is fine by me – couldn’t give a monkeys why, just so long as you do.

        • NeilMc1

          To be fair Paul, Jethro has a point. If you’re not careful you will just be branded as another Bloom. You know the media are all looking for UKIP bad news stories.

          • http://free-english-people.blogspot.com/ Paul Perrin

            I am a step ahead of Bloom – I let my membership lapse at the start of the year so press can go **** themselves, I am my own man 🙂

          • ArchiePonsonby

            You sound like the kind of independent chap my father used to vote for, sadly a vanished breed. Nonetheless, we hardly ever agreed on much, but you get my vote!

  • http://free-english-people.blogspot.com/ Paul Perrin

    Cameron is pro-EU – he has said he will campaign to stay in even if there is a referendum. In my eyes he is 100% scum long with William ‘nothing to have a referendum on’ Hague.

    If you really want conservatives to have a chance in 2015 – your plan can only be:-
    1) Break the coalition
    2) Call a referendum before 2015.

    If Lib/Lab defeat the referendum call then UKIP supporters *may* think about backing conservatives in 2015, if the referendum happens then the ‘fuss’ is all over.

    Job done.

  • http://free-english-people.blogspot.com/ Paul Perrin

    You say “but this time round he’s made a promise he can’t break without destroying his own party.” – no Toby, he did that already. The conservatives are dead, what you see today is just a corpse twitching. Sad you are too blind to see it.

  • Steve Lloyd

    Disregarding for a moment the massive fly in the ointment that is Cameron, i think Toby is on the right track. The true right must hope for absolutely abysmal results for the Tories on all fronts in May. That will logically, concentrate the minds of those true blue blooded Tory MP’s, who want to remain in power,and lead this great country towards a better future
    .
    We stabbed our best ever party leader in the back in 2000, we can do the same to our worst in 2014. With the right person at the helm, Toby’s plan then becomes tenable.A united right will comprehensively destroy the left, possibly for a generation.

  • William MacDougall

    No thanks. Cameron needs to go, and a lot of policies have to change: grammar schools, “gay marriage”, foreign aid, windmills, HS2… And you would have to offer more seats than you imply.

  • Marky_D

    I like the idea, in general, but the day I unite with a party whose leader tells me that Islamic values are my values, that being a conservative means you should support gay marriage and whose crowning achievement of his years in office is aiding north African jihadists in their quest to turn their countries into Christian free zones just hasn’t dawned.
    Show some commitment. Campaign to dump Cameron, and if that’s successful then let’s talk about it.

    • Zantedeschia

      I completely agree. I can’t stand gays, blacks, sluts, people on welfare, and public sector workers, and think David Cameron betrayed Tory principles when he made clear he might tolerate these groups. He is a communist!!!

      The Tories should boot him out and set up a REAL party of the right!!! Then they will get elected!!!

      • Marky_D

        Very good comrade! You are a fine model citizen. Have another government lollipop of the people!

      • Daidragon

        Not only did Camerloon give gay black sluts the right to be married, he’s going to give them a married couples tax break as well!

      • sarah_13

        Is this serious??????????? I doubt the party you want to join would be legal.

        • Algernon the Sceptic

          No it’s not serious, he thinks he’s being satirical and is no doubt having a jolly good laugh with his other mates in the 4th form socialist debating society.

        • Zantedeschia

          Actually Sarah, the first rule of Parliament is it isn’t bound by any laws: excepting its limited and reversible conferring of partial sovereignty to the EU in particular areas, Parliament alone is the source of legality. So within national borders, whatever Parliament says, ultimately goes. That in a sense is what is so scary for anybody on the right OR left in this country about the prospect of the other side getting in. And that’s why I find Toby’s call for more (and not less) partisanship risible and disturbing.

      • treborc1

        Obviously mental health issues, have you been to see your GP they can help

        • Zantedeschia

          They might help me but they can’t cure you of being a c**t.

    • Major Plonquer

      How can anyone be pro Islamic values and pro gay marriage at the same time? Jeez, he can’t even make up his own mind. Why should we let him make decisions for us?

    • Marcus

      The Tories are constantly saying they are being hampered by the Libdems.
      So why not let UKIP pull them in the direction you want?
      There is no realistic chance of UKIP getting in, but as we’ve seen with the Lib dems, the junior partner in the coalition can get it’s way on some things.
      Marky, it’s that or nothing.
      The fact Cameron is a hopeless opportunist is not the point. We can have some effect on him; if Labour get in, we can have not effect on Miliband.

  • sarahsmith232

    Ukip is the only hope of ditching Cameron, no pact please, I want a Tory gov’ next time round, not a PC, pro’ the open-door, metro’ elite only ever so slightly to the right of Labour.
    Farage was put on this earth as our only last remaining possible saviour, thank god he’s a p*** head, ’cause otherwise he’d surely be starting to develop the politicians messiah mania by now. Farage can decree a ditching of Cameron in favour of a pact, it’s our only last hope, don’t squander it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/steven.efstathiou Steven Efstathiou

    Ah, finally Toby has read the details of recent polls and not just the headline-grabbing ‘Tories neck-and-neck with Labour’ produced by the outliers.

    Conservative support only gets to an inch of Labour when Ukip is down and falls back significantly when the poll indicates Farage’s party somewhere in the mid-teens.

    With Red Ed firming up the 35% of the electorate he needs this week, I doubt if even the Grand Pact unveiled here has a hope in hell of securing a Tory overall majority come 2015.

  • Edward Noel

    I worry that, without a pact, Labour will form the next government and Ukip will end up with no MPs at all!

    Stuart Parr claims Ukip will win parliamentary seats in 2015, but sadly this is unlikely if all constituencies are contested by both a Conservative and a Ukip candidate.

    If we create pacts on a constituency-by-constituency basis, we will have a fair chance of getting at least a handful of Ukippers into the Commons.

  • Lady Magdalene

    Sorry Toby, but NOTHING will make me vote for my Tory MP. He’s utterly useless and despite claiming to be an EU-sceptic, his Bruges Group website shows that he nearly always votes in favour of “more EU.”
    Perhaps if he realises that he might actually have to campaign in 2015, he’ll do us all a favour and retire.

  • Lady Magdalene

    ” Is the prospect of David Cameron staying on as Prime Minister really so awful that you’re willing to throw that chance away”
    I think that should say:
    Is the prospect of David Cameron staying on as Prime Minister really so awful that you’re willing to throw away a chance of having a biased, rigged Referendum on the EU ….. with the IN campaign funded by the EU; with the whole of The British Establishment lined up to lie, bully and frighten a cowed electorate into voting away their country in perpetuity and with the BBC acting as propagandist in chief for the Kommissars and Whitehall Mandarins.
    All the British Establishment wants in a Mandate to keep us IN. That’s what Cameron has been told to get.
    I want OUT. Not a rigged Referendum.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Well said, that lady! OUT! NOW!!

  • Roxane Featherstone

    Anything, absolutely anything is better than the two Eds. It really will be SO scary. With what could possibly be a cynical move to damage the energy markets and almost every other market for the current government, Ed M has revealed himself to be as either evil or as incompetent and immune to reality as the other Ed.

    I agree with Toby. GB will be destroyed if they get into power. All other quibbles should be put aside.

    • blingmun

      Cannot disagree with your horror for the two Eds. But don’t you think this country needs some sort of earthquake to reverse this ethnic and cultural suicide? We need a massive shake up and the disaster that would be a Labour Government would precipitate it. Alternatively, by voting UKIP there’s a chance we’d get UKIP MPs into Westminster which could be the start of a political revolution.

      What we can have no more of is this one-party merry-go-round of blue and red, in which every major policy and ‘heavyweight’ politician is in almost total agreement with one another…and entirely at odds with everyone else. If we don’t go through this painful cleansing phase peacefully through some sort of political upheaval I fear for what will ensue on the streets.

      • Andrew Tekle-Cadman

        Excellent post. You nailed it.

  • keith

    I had to read this article twice, as I thought it had been written by one of those parliamentary sketch writers who take the Michael out of politics, all I can think is toby got home late from a boozy night out with friends, realised he had promised the specie an article, sat down and wrote this.
    even if you do take it at face value, what it says to me is, toby likes UKIP, but hasn’t got the guts yet to jump ship and join them as he’s afraid that nice Mr Gove might not help him with his free schools crusade anymore. the only other reason is he has been primed by CCHQ to join the vote UKIP get Labour, media operation, I think we should be told.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      “…..what it says to me is, toby likes UKIP, but hasn’t got the guts yet to jump ship and join them”. The Tory party appears to be full of such types!

  • rtj1211

    Do I detect a bit of ‘oh f**k, my Uni chum DC might get booted out and then my role as Free Schools Tsar might get flushed down the bog!!’ here, by any chance??

  • Craig Ryan

    “Yes, there will be arguments…” You can say that again.

    Great idea, Toby, go for it!

  • blingmun

    I guess the Tories no longer see us as fruitcakes and loonies. Unfortunately we haven’t changed our view that the Conservative Party must be destroyed. From Heath through to the betrayal of Thatcher by the Wets, the Tories have done more to surrender this country to the EU than anyone else. They have no principles except serving the elites and would happily put anyone of us over the top if we were in the trenches or sell us out to Islamists if either measure appeared expedient.

    No, there must be no deal with the Tories. On the contrary, we have them on the run and only being in Government obscures the extent of their demise. Therefore we must get them out of office – even if it means enduring Labour once more – and without any support base they will be vulnerable to a final kicking. The boot of this UKIP supporter will be among the first on the case.

    • rupertstubbs

      Well, I for one see you as fruitcakes and loonies. Destroy the Conservative Party, accept Labour in power for an indefinite period, eliminate any possibility of a referendum on the EU in our lifetime, because… of Heath?

      Swivel-eyed hardly does justice to it.

      • Andrew Tekle-Cadman

        Keep up the insults, thats the way to do it!

  • Mark Hughes

    I was three times a Conservative Parliamentary Candidate, Chairman of my District
    Council and Town Mayor all as a Conservative Party member for 28 years, since I
    joined UKIP almost one year ago, I have never campaigned so hard, I will not be
    going back any time soon, The Conservative Party of today is not a Party I or
    others who have made the same journey wish to be associated with.

    To get the ‘progressive right’ that we so desperately need, the Conservative Party now has to fail, ‘propping them up’ for one more election delays the inevitable, as for the
    referendum, a Cameron sponsored referendum will not be fair or just. When the
    Conservative Party finally gets fed up not winning a majority at a General
    Elections (21 years and counting!) they will finally lance the boil that is Europe, that is the first sign of recovery, unfortunately the longer they delay, the chances are they will be replaced, by UKIP? Maybe but possibly by formal perpetual pre-electoral agreements and not an unofficial truce. Twitter/MarkJHughes

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Extremely well put, M H!

  • George_Arseborne

    Is this another indication of panic in the Tories ranks? When Ed Milliband took over Leadership in 2010, there was celebration in Tories HQ that it will be an easy ride back to Number 10. What has gone wrong now? Well if you do not know the answer, get it first hand. The Tory Leader David Cameron is weak, weak and weak. He does not lead but follows his party. He depends more on PR rather than being Prime Ministerial.

  • Andrew Tekle-Cadman

    This is getting very tiresome. Here are some reasons why we have no intention of forming any kind of pact.

    1. Most importantly, UKIP are a new party for what is shaping up for a radically different social age.

    Essentially, in important ways we live in a Neo-medieval society now: in a globalist age of easy travel of communication, there are much greater differences within the old nation-states than between them. Society is increasingly oligarchical, with a closed super-rich and internationally-oriented elite controlling business, politics, the media. Many political organisations that control our lives are also international institutions, just as they were in Medieval times. Social mobility is increasingly limited. Politics is even becoming dynastic – just look at the number of children of Labour MP’s now being put forward for selection as MP’s themselves. Meanwhile, the large middle class that was such a feature of the modern period is being progressively ground down as inflation outstrips wages, leaving an ever more yawning between workers (the new peasants) and the Metropolitan Liberal elite (the new nobility).

    Likewise, the cultural differences between the mainly London-based elite and the rest are now very considerable. The elite in all three wings of the LibLabCon parties seem obsessed with liberal issues the rest of the country couldn’t give a stuff about. This is why the phrases “LibLabCon” and “MetroLib’ gain increasing traction with the electorate.

    The rise of UKIP can be seen as a response to this quite new social age. Whether people like Toby realise it our not, a great many UKIP supporters really do see it as UKIP one side, LibLabCon on the other. The idea we are all disaffected, right-wing reactionary Tories is simply an outdated construct.

    2. As we constantly tell you, we get a lot of our votes from people who would not vote Tory at any price at all. Moreover, they would have nothing to do with a party that supports the Tories. A pact would destroy our progress in the Labour heartlands, where there are millions of voters who are conservatively minded but will never support a party who got into bed with the Tories.

    3. For those of our supporters who actually come from the Tories, Cameron has REPEATEDLY HUMILIATED THEM.

    Just look at the number of insults the Cameroons have thrown around at both ‘Kippers and even their own activists!!!

    ‘Strange People’ (Cameron on UKIP)
    ‘Closet racists’ (Cameron on UKIP)
    ‘Life’s Losers’ (Osborne on UKIP)
    ‘A step or two behind the social times’ (Maude on Tory activists)
    ‘Turnip Taliban’ (Anon Tory on Tory activists)
    ‘Swivel Eyed Loons’ (Senior Tory on Tory activists)

    Excuse the cod psychology, but voting for someone is to some extent an act of validation. Would you validate someone who repeatedly humiliated and insulted you? It is a very hard thing to do and retain any self-esteem.

    For all these reasons, however flawed UKIP is we have completely given up on the LibLabCon and it’s stranglehold on our political life has to be broken.

    Whatever the solution is, a Tory-UKIP pact can not be it.

  • Shorne

    Err…it seems that it’s a case of the right hand not knowing what the other right hand is doing on the Spectator, read Anthony Wells’ article.

  • Michael McGough

    I will be in the minority in UKIP when I say I am happy for UKIP not to stand against the few signatories to The Freedom Association’s ( http://www.tfa.net ) BOO ( Better Off Out ) campaign BUT THAT IS ALL. Those decent honourable folk put country before party and defied Cameron’s odious threats to deny them promotion. As for the rest who can judge how opposed they are to or membership of the EU . I’ll put my head above the parapet and be prepared to be shot by fellow UKIP members for those MPs but not the rest.
    I must say how much I am looking forward to the Freedom Zone in Manchester next week where the real uncensored , non stage managed political debate takes place. No conference pass is required and lobbyists and NGA folk on a freeby won’t stifle the debate .
    For info the photo was taken in the cross-party1997 Campaign for a Referendum

  • Nick

    What about that burk Boris Johnson? He may still oust Cameron before the next GE.
    I know what he’s said about not wanting the job etc but he’s a cutthroat just like the rest of them at Westminster………I wouldn’t mind betting a few quid that he stakes his claim within the next few months.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      With a very few minor differences, Boris is Cameron. Let him do what he likes, UKIP won’t be taken in!

      • Nick

        Archie,if Johnson somehow became the Tory leader before the next GE,do you think UKIP would consider a coalition with the Tories and vice versa?

  • Druth

    Tory and Labour, two players in the great ‘one party Punch and Judy show’ which
    Westminster puts on for the great unwashed.

  • Leon Steed

    At the 2010 general election, UKIP’s best results were in Buckingham; Cornwall North; Devon North; and Devon West and Torridge, where they were (distant) third behind the Conservatives. Everywhere else they were either in fourth place or worse, again behind the Conservatives.

    Recommending people vote UKIP in a seat where the Conservatives were
    first or second in 2010 with UKIP a distant third or fourth will result in:

    (a) The Conservative voters who are not prepared to vote tactically will continue to vote Conservative

    (b) The Conservative voters who are not prepared to vote UKIP will continue to vote Conservative

    (c) Some Conservative voters who are prepared to vote tactically for UKIP will still vote Conservative because they either do not know about your website or choose to ignore it and assume the party most likely to win will be the one that came second in 2010 not the one that came a distant third or fourth even taking into account any “other factors”

    (d) Some Conservatives will not know about your website but will still decide to vote tactically for UKIP independently of it perhaps upon those same “other factors”

    (e) Some Conservative voters (a minority) will know about your website, follow its advice and switch to UKIP

    The net result of your website’s recommendation will be the creation of category (e) above, which will divide the vote further and make it more likely that the Conservatives will be denied victory in that seat. It seems a recipe for chaos as far as I can see.

    The one exception may be Eastleigh as there is likely to be some degree of chaos there anyway – do the Conservatives (who were 2nd in 2010) or UKIP (who came 2nd in the by-election) have the better chance in 2015? Nobody knows. So who should I vote to keep out Red Ed? Your website may have some value there, but certainly not in a third of all seats as claimed.

    Having said that, uniting the right is a very good idea where UKIP voters are encouraged to vote tactically for the Conservative candidate, but I just can’t see how it would have anything but a detrimental effect in reverse other than possibly in Eastleigh.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Based on my acquaintance with very many UKIP voters, tactical voting don’t enter into it, my lad They are overwhelmingly patriots who simply detest what this country has become and will vote as they see fit to put things right.

  • rtj1211

    Tories conning UKIP @gmail.com eh?

    Doesn’t sound like your best marketing effort, Mr Young…

    Nearly as good as trying to market the MR2 in France…….

  • chris_xxxx

    It won’t work because Cameron is a liberal wearing a blue tie.

  • Redvers Cunningham

    “Supporters of both parties believe in low taxes, controlled immigration, freedom of speech, school choice, a welfare cap… the list goes on. The LibLabCon rhetoric belies the fact that we’re all, essentially, members of the same family. We’re all conservatives with a small ‘c’, even those Ukip supporters who voted Labour in the past.”

    The difference is that in the case of UKIP its leadership also believes in these things.

  • Algernon the Sceptic

    Tobes, you don’t understand, UKIP voters are beyond left and right. We just want what is best for our country and that is what unites us.

    If you tories want to unite, then vote UKIP.

  • Matt Sharp

    http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/09/27/why-toryukip-alliance-would-benefit-labour/

    “Why a Tory/Ukip alliance would benefit Labour”

    Go for it, Toby 😉

  • TomPride

    Sorry Toby – you were too slow off the mark. I’ve just bought the url http://www.conukip.co.uk. Building a website right now. Never mind. conukip.eu is still avaliable. 🙂

  • Shoe On Head

    bottom up tory-ukip pact? at some point it will have to become top-down.

    it will be like herding cats on the playing fields of eton.

    (shoe on head)

  • Hugo Jenks

    The problem with this article headline ‘Unite the right’ is that many UKIP members are ex-Labour voters and members.
    There is little trust in Cameron. He is pro-EU. He wants the EU to expand. He has promised Turkey that he will help them to join. It is obvious that he does not understand Islam.
    His record on reducing immigration is not good either. More people have been given a British passport last year than ever before. Does Cameron not understand that immigration is a major concern of the electorate?
    We cannot control our borders whilst we are in the EU. With an expanding EU, even more people will come here, putting ever more pressure on schools, hospitals, housing, wages, energy, services, water supply and water treatment. We already have insufficient land to feed ourselves.
    Cameron has lost credibility. He has had his chance to give us a timely vote on EU membership, and has blown it. It is a con to suggest that he would give us a vote in 2017. He could easily have arranged a vote for 2013 or 2014.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Oh dear not more of this worthless drivel. When are these dull witted Tories going to get it through their thick skulls. We ain’t going to vote for them. We’ve had enough of the lies, the abuse, the dysfunction, the division, the incompetence, the general untrustworthiness and the unsavoury nature of the Conservative party.

    They really are a broken party and their brand is irrevocably soiled.

  • http://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/ Fenbeagle

    But Dave Cameron will go though, right?……Right?

  • Fairview65

    Sorry, although the article has some merit and theoretically is feasible. I simply don’t trust Cameron. I think he is riding piggy back on UKIP’s ideas to win the next general election, then if and when he gets in we will be offered a renegotiated watery treaty and Cameron will simply say “I did my best”. We will still be stuck in the EU with the Brussels Diktat destroying the UK and Cameron as a puppet PM

  • greenacre

    Could work.

  • EppingBlogger

    I know the media and EU-sceptical members of the Conservative Party would like all this to be true, but unfortunately it is not. The unreliability of Cameron does not stop at the next GE and nor does it stop at him personally within the Conservative Party. They have been promising those of their members and the voters who wanted less-EU that they would fix it; after these decades they have only given us more EU and seemingly with relish.

    I am convinced the Conservative Party should have split over Maastricht but it didn’t. I do not believe it will split after the next GE when they lose to a Labour-(small)Lib coalition. It is entirely possible they might retain Cameron as socially so many of the remaining constituency associations are like him or aspire to be, while the MPs seem only interested in getting another pay cheque.

    The outside is unknown to many of them and it would be like asking inmates from an institution to go outside and small the fresh air – they just couldn’t do it!

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