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Let's face it – Ray Honeyford got it right on Islam and education

The Bradford headmaster was dismissed. He should have been applauded

5 July 2014

9:00 AM

5 July 2014

9:00 AM

Thirty years ago, as editor of the Salisbury Review, I began to receive short articles from a Bradford headmaster, relating the dilemmas faced by those attempting to provide an English education to the children of Asian immigrants. Ray Honeyford’s case was simple. Children born and raised in Britain must be integrated into British society. Schools and teachers therefore had a duty, not merely to impart the English language and the English curriculum, but to ensure that children understood and adhered to the basic principles of the surrounding society, including racial and religious tolerance, sexual equality and the habit of settling conflicts by compromise and not by force.

Honeyford complained of the damage done by the multicultural ‘experts’, whose sole aim seemed to be ghettoisation. He recounted his efforts to explain to parents that it was in fact against the law to take their children out of school for weeks on end during term time. As a result of these efforts, Muslim activists packed a meeting in his school in order to make loud and threatening protests. Honeyford wrote from a spirit of genuine concern for children whom he was trying to protect — girls who were being forced into marriage, boys who came to school already exhausted from their lessons in the madrasah, children who were being brought up to believe that they were living in an alien place to which they did not belong and to which they owed neither loyalty nor gratitude.

In the course of his reflections, Honeyford made some harsh criticisms of the Commission for Racial Equality, a quango run by the leftist militants of the day, which devoted vast resources to propagating the message that Britain is a racist society and that schools had the duty to impress this fact on their pupils. Honeyford had the true but eccentric conviction that Britain is, comparatively speaking, not a racist society at all, and that our habit of admitting new communities and providing them with the educational and social resources enjoyed by our indigenous population goes some way to proving this. The anti-white and anti-British pronouncements of the people who were trying to undermine his attempts to provide an equal education to all the children in his school were, to his mind, far more evidently racist than any feature of the curriculum that he was striving to impart. And by pointing this out, he naturally poked his finger into a hornet’s nest of self-vaunting resentment.

He wrote true things about religious intolerance and sectarian murder in Pakistan. He referred to the hysterical nature of politics in the Indian subcontinent. He was dismissive of the ‘professional’ Asian and West Indian intellectuals who had made a career out of ‘anti-racism’. And he was scathing about the intellectual status of ‘polytechnic sociology’. He neglected to remind himself that his local university — the University of Bradford — had departments of sociology and social work run by the very people whose ideology he deplored. Very soon his school was surrounded by a rent-a-mob of diseducated students, dingy professors and fired-up Islamists, chanting ‘Raycist’, and calling for his dismissal. The local education authority responded, and Ray Honeyford was dismissed.

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That, as we know, was not the end of the story. Honeyford’s articles were written before the rise of radical Islam, and were concerned with the more general question of national identity. He was sounding a warning that was bound to be ignored, given the profoundly anti-patriotic character of the educational establishment of the time. Honeyford was defending a social order founded on secular law and national loyalty, rather than religion. The nation, its land, its law, its language and its culture are things that we share. Religion is a thing that divides us. The activists who were attempting to take over Honeyford’s school were aware of this, and wanted their children to identify themselves as Muslims living in Britain, rather than as British people who happen to be Muslims. The idea that their children might be integrated into our kafir society was anathema to them, and they saw the school to which they were legally obliged to send their children as a thing to be either subverted or destroyed.

Things have moved on. With the London bombings, the Birmingham ‘Trojan horse’, and the British-born Islamists fighting in Syria, it has become impossible to ignore the warning that Honeyford sounded. But it is also necessary to put it in perspective. Our society, like other western societies, is governed by a secular law. This law is defined over a territory — the territory of the United Kingdom. This territory is ours, the place where we are, the home that we must defend. We acknowledge our fellow countrymen not as fellow believers but as neighbours. And although our country has been, and to a large extent remains, Christian in its outlook, its official faith is that of the ‘Church of England’, in which term the crucial word is not ‘Church’ but ‘England’. Even our religion has defined itself in national terms, being a sanctification of the land, its boundaries, its language and its law.

None of that is true of the historical experience of Sunni Muslims. Their law is not defined over territory, but applies everywhere. It is a religious and not a secular law, and therefore cannot be changed by human beings or in response to local requirements. It is expressed through a holy book written in an international language. In every respect Islam provides an experience of identity, and it is an identity at variance with the nation state. If we did not think this before, we ought surely to recognise it now, when we are seeing the results of our misguided attempt to create a nation state in Iraq.

This does not mean that Muslims cannot be responsible citizens of a secular order. Atatürk created such an order in Turkey, emphasising the land, its language, and its culture, imposing a secular law and dismissing the sharia as antiquated nonsense, irrelevant to every true Turkish patriot. In Iran and Kurdistan, national languages and historic claims to territory have likewise permitted the emergence of nation states, with Kurdistan likely to be the sole peaceful remnant of the former Iraq. But we should heed Honeyford’s warning, and recognise that what matters to Britain, as a secular nation state, is the extent to which the rising generation of Muslims can become British citizens first, and Muslims second, when it comes to defining their public duties.

Inevitably Muslims will find things that repel them in the mores of modern Britain. Unlike the rest of us, however, they have an alternative identity. I share their revulsion towards the Big Brother culture. But I know that I am British, and that this defines my primary loyalty and the ground of my submission to our law. Muslims have the possibility to define themselves against their country, rather than as part of it. That is what Islamists want to see, and it is the message that those fighters whom we ironically describe as ‘British’ will bring back to our country from their time spent in imposing Sunni Islam on the Shiites, Alawites, Druze and Christians of Syria.

People often ask where are the moderate Muslims, the ones who identify themselves as British, and who will speak up for our law, our institutions and our values. It is a good question. In Sunni Islam there is nobody appointed as spokesman for the faith. There are no equivalents of bishops, archbishops and Popes. And while the Church has existed as a corporate person in law from Roman times, there is no such thing in Islamic law as corporate personality, and a fortiori no such thing as the Mosque. The churches have featured in our history as distinct personalities, with views, aims and responsibilities of their own, while the mosque has existed in the background of Sunni life, a sacred place of meeting (‘jami’) but not an agent in law. Christianity is an institution, but Sunni Islam is an identity. And just as no individual is able to speak for England or France, but only as an Englishman or as a Frenchman, so no individual can speak for Sunni Islam. All the more reason for insisting, as Honeyford insisted to the children of his school, that when it comes to identity, it is nationality and not religion that counts.

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  • Common Sense ✟ كافر

    Couldn’t have put it better myself. Just a shame it has taken 50 years of mass third world Muslim immigration to realise the obvious. Disaster we now have this backward mess in our own country.

  • Common Sense ✟ كافر

    Couldn’t have put it better myself. Just a shame it has taken 50 years of mass third world Muslim immigration to realise the obvious. Disaster we now have this backward mess in our own country.

  • Gwangi

    Yes, what happened to this man is a scandal.
    Butit is much MUCH worse in the education system now thanks for oppressive and stifling ‘political correctness’, and diversity worshipped as THE religion which must be obeyed. Our whole school, college and university system panders to the religious, no matter how extreme, especially if they have a dark skin, So half of biology teachers now do not even teach evolution as fact – but one option together with fairytales – because they don’t want to offend the dark-skinned devout ones in their classes or get complaints from parents. Utterly disgraceful!
    I would go further too. The blind eye turned by schools, colleges and universities to – amongst others – the horrors the promotion of Islamic extremism, the promotion of backwards and intolerant African quasi-Christianity, the abuse of girls being made to wear headscares and burkas, the abuse of girls and boys forced into marriage by being sent abroad, the scandal of FGM – is and act of WILFUL blindness and neglect. It is more than complacent – it is negligent – and it makes people think they have the right to be extremists and work to destroy this country and kill innocent people, to force children into marriage and kill them if they resist, to spread their vile hatred wherever they can because it is their right to do so in a ‘diverse and multicultural society where all cultures must be respected equally’.
    The UK education system has got a lot of blood on its hands. Without its encouragement and collusion, British schools and university would not have produced suicide bombers and Jihadi terrorists. J’accuse.

    • vieuxceps2

      A fine summary of what has happened to our country and our schools thanks to deliberate leftwing policies and a strange but deep dislike of all things English compared with all things foreign,especially Asian.A few people have been aware of this in the past and there now seems to be a slow counter -feeling against it. I fear however that we may be too late.Apathy and complacency are common among the English.

    • vieuxceps2

      A fine summary of what has happened to our country and our schools thanks to deliberate leftwing policies and a strange but deep dislike of all things English compared with all things foreign,especially Asian.A few people have been aware of this in the past and there now seems to be a slow counter -feeling against it. I fear however that we may be too late.Apathy and complacency are common among the English.

      • Gwangi

        The irony is that in places such as France, the left-wing and that includes hard left socialists, would all support my position – one of integration and NOT segregation via the twisted counter-productive ideology of multiculturalism which leads to people living separate lives in monocultural ghettos.
        In other words, the French demand that people integrate and abide by their values (their Enlightenment secular values) and learn their language and ways of being and living together. I hate to say it, but the French are right and we are wrong here.
        Multiculturalism has created a massive mess and a country where people think they have the right to live according to their own backwards values (those of a Pakistani village for example) and only abide by our laws, not our values. It has destroyed many of our native communities and tested social cohesion to the limit – and anyway, usually it leads to white-only and Asian-only areas and schools, as in Bradford. It is a failure. It has failed. So why then is it still worshipped, albeit in its new guise of ‘diversity’ (rather than unity)?
        We have pandered to anyone with a dark skin and a religion for decades in this country, tolerated the intolerable from them (cf 1989 when many were inciting violence and murder against Rushdie and the police did not arrest a single person who did that because they were brown-skinned and Muslim).

        • Damaris Tighe

          I agree with much of what you say, except about France. Yes, the French have a different approach to immigrants from us but it doesn’t seem to be more successful, maybe even less so. Islamic supremicism is alive and kicking in secular France. The muslim areas are no-go areas for the police & there is a big problem with muslim violence against non-muslims, especially jews. When asked what their identity is, a large proportion of muslim children don’t say ‘French’, they say ‘muslim’.

          I have great respect for Ray Honeyford, but the French experience seems to indicate there is very little western host societies can do about muslim mores as it is Islam that is the problem (or maybe I should say, muslim peasant mores).

          • Gwangi

            Yes, true. But at least in France you won’t turn on the telly and be read the news by a headscarf-wearing woman! And you won’t see our enemies walking round our streets (and even driving cars) whilst wearing one woman burka tents! That has got to be better than here.

          • Damaris Tighe

            I hate these things at least as much as you, but they’re only surface manifestations of a much deeper problem. French muslim youth are thoroughly ‘modern’ in appearance, & they drink alchohol & do drugs, so you could say they’re thoroughly assimilated. And yet they still commit anti-kaffr violence in the name of Islam.

        • post_x_it

          “usually it leads to white-only and Asian-only areas”
          True, but the current avalanche of Roma from Eastern Europe is shaking things up a bit…

    • Nele Schindler

      I have always suspected that Islam is a mere fig leaf to what is really going on, which is growing worldwide persecution of Biblical Christianity, the only faith that really matters, really changes peoples and cultures and individual lives and is the one and only real challenge to the pits of modern culture.

      Your post fully reflects this.

      It is absolutely striking that anybody would even mention in the same sentence parents who seek to bring up their children in a godly way (for example, by questioning the theory of evolution, something so profoundly right and at the same time harmless that I hesitate to waste any space on it) with crazy, women-hating fanatics who cut off girl’s genitals, wish death on ‘infidels’, turn a blind eye to every vice if it harms those they consider unworthy of living and refuse to form part of the society that hosts them.

      More and more, with every Muslim terrorist, even sane commentators move away from considering that there is something profoundly evil about Islam as a whole, and blame ‘religion’ wholesale, flinging dirt that sticks on Christians.

  • Hippograd

    Roger Scruton makes an elementary logical error. Ray Honeyford was right that multiculturalism was going to go badly wrong. He was not right that any alternative to it would have worked. If someone says 2 + 2 = 3, one would be right to disagree. But one would not be right to say that, in fact, 2 + 2 = 5. Mass immigration by Muslims into non-Muslim nations will inevitably lead to disaster. The only question is how quickly the disaster arrives.

    This does not mean that Muslims cannot be responsible citizens of a secular order. Atatürk created such an order in Turkey, emphasising the land, its language, and its culture, imposing a secular law and dismissing the sharia as antiquated nonsense, irrelevant to every true Turkish patriot.

    And how is that working out in Turkey?

    Today there is an internal battle among Turkish Muslims between forces that want to be part of the Western world and those that want to return Turkey’s political identity to be based primarily on Islamic solidarity.But it isn’t Ottoman Islam that these Islamist Turks seek to revive. Their Islam is more in tune with the fanatically anti-Western principles of Saudi Wahhabi Islam.

    http://jcpa.org/article/turkey-between-ataturk%E2%80%99s-secularism-and-fundamentalist-islam/

    And Mr Scruton should note that fundamentalist Muslims tend to have rather more children that liberal Muslims. Or liberal non-Muslims.

    • Mr Grumpy

      I fear you are right, but it should not detract from our admiration of Honeyford’s plain speaking. You don’t need tailoring skills to notice that the emperor is wearing no clothes, you do need guts to point it out.

      • Hippograd

        Mr Honeyford was admirable in a lot of ways. But also naive. He was an old-fashioned liberal, rather than the Guardianista variety. Neither kind of liberalism works with Muslims.

        • Jacky Treehorn

          A good point missed by many.

    • Joe Connolly

      Kemalism took Turkey a long way but ultimately the Islamists were always out to get it — so there was an impossible contradiction as the pressure of the global Islamic revival grew. Even so Turkey might have piloted its way through to pluralist democracy if the US, Britain, and the EU had not thrown their weight behind the Islamists from the 1990’s onwards and been completely blind to the consequences of this. A case of ‘repent at leisure.’

      • Hippograd

        Even so Turkey might have piloted its way through to pluralist democracy if…

        Just as Britain would have assimilated its Muslims if… and France would have if… and Sweden would have if… and the Arab Spring would have worked out well if… and Pakistan wouldn’t have harboured Bin Laden if… and Afghanistan would have become a democracy if… etc, etc, ad nauseam.

        the US, Britain, and the EU had not thrown their weight behind the Islamists from the 1990’s onwards and been completely blind to the consequences of this

        The West’s policy has to been attack-and-meddle-in Muslim nations while allowing mass immigration from Muslim nations. I’m not sure blindness is the best explanation for this. I prefer to explain it by treachery and malice.

        • vieuxceps2

          Hippograd, I suspect that you are correct that malice and treachery lie behind the Western Plight. But whose malice and whose treachery? And to what end?

          • Hippograd

            whose malice and whose treachery? And to what end?

            Vade retro, Satana! The end is the destruction of white European nations that have historically been Christian. And it’s the same philanthropic folk as those behind the Bolshevik Revolution. Look at the ex-communists among New Labour and its cheerleaders — the likes of David Aaronovitch, Peter Mandelson, John Reid (now Baron Reid). Theirs was the malice. Blair, having no interests beyond self-advancement and self-enrichment, was one of the traitors.

      • Andy

        That is true. In Turkey things are going backwards, but the glories of Ataturk are not quite what they seem. I have a lot of time for Roger but he should go and see the Orthodox Patriarch. He and the whole Orthodox Church has a terrible time in Turkey where it is persecuted – that persecution might be subtle, but it is persecution all the same.

  • will91

    He was the canary in the mine. You have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the sheer lunacy of the Honeyford affair. A man chased out of his profession for essentially saying that it would be prudent if English were his students first language at home. Today, you’d be hard pressed to find an MP or Councillor who would disagree with that position.

    • GraveDave

      It’s the same story throughout. Mosley, admittedly a fascist, still had some good points to make on globalism and what it would lead to And we all know what happened to Enoch Powell.

      • will91

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXi6TMG8hTE An absolutely superb insight into Enoch Powell, perhaps the most derided and thoroughly misunderstood figure in modern British political history. One cannot fail to be moved by this documentary, filmed just a few year’s before his death, it portray’s a man in a desperate rearguard action against a political consensus he simply couldn’t comprehend.

        • Andy

          Of course Enoch was right about immigration, the economy and the damned EU.

          • oldoddjobs

            HE WAS BAD MAN WHAT SAID THE BAD THINGS

    • rightrightright

      Politicians have the disingenuous habit of admitting they were wrong (open door immigration, education etc) only once it is too late and the problem too advanced for any remedy. They are having their cake and eating it, too.

      • Damaris Tighe

        The cowards bend the way the wind is blowing.

      • post_x_it

        Yes – same with the “war on drugs”. Virtually every retired politician in the world admits that it’s counterproductive, wasteful and futile. Every politician currently in office is fully committed to continuing the madness.

  • tjamesjones

    What a great photo. And what a profoundly depressing story: the left has a lot to answer for. Ray Hungerford was a decent man and his vision for Britian is one that we need to recapture. But please, nutters, if you want to make a racist comment here, you’re in the wrong place – go find a ukip or bnp site to spew on.

    • Mr Grumpy

      I don’t see any racist comments so far. What am I missing?

      • tjamesjones

        you’re right it’s not too bad, but the comments focus invariably on Muslims, who are not the primary bad guys in Roger Scruton’s article, rather than the Commission for Racial Equality and its leftist fellow travellers, who shouted Mr HONEYFORD down.

        • Mr Grumpy

          Not the primary bad guys so much as the primary problem. But what has that to do with racism?

          • tjamesjones

            Don’t worry about all the clever arguments, the question to ask yourself is: would I be happy with this comment if I was sitting next to, say, the guy who coaches my boy’s cricket team who is from Pakistan. Far too much of what is posted on this website fails this ‘Jones test’.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Good point. It’s important not to dehumanise – that way lies a lot of evil. I think many individual muslims are a lot better than their religion.

          • tjamesjones

            thank you & yes exactly.

          • Fred Yang

            Yes, it’s a trap. We need to distinguish between the person and the beliefs held by that person.

            Similarly by confusing the rights of individual with the rights of a community we have arrived at the curious situation where the Left allies itself with the most reactionary religion on the planet

          • Damaris Tighe

            Agree. Well put.

          • vieuxceps2

            Then why don’t they opt out if they are “better”? Perhaps they dare not……?

          • Mr Grumpy

            tj, I have to live with the reality that a lot of people believe my religion makes the world a worse place. I don’t get to cry racism, and even if I could I’d rather engage with their concerns. So why doesn’t it work that way for your cricket coach?

          • vieuxceps2

            Unfortunately there are not 3million (and counting)
            cricket coaches, are there? Pity really,as I understand that half of our muslim settlers are unemployed.

          • Jacky Treehorn

            I can honestly say that if Christians were running amok all over the world killing and maiming in the name of jesus, not only would I not be offended by comments on here I would agree with them. I work with educated middleclass Muslims and sometime discuss the atrocities commited in the name of mohamed, invariably they condem the act but say they are not real muslims, they never admit there is a problem with the religion and think that Mohamed would never kill another human. When I point out that he had a history of killing they just dont believe me.
            The reason why you wouldnt feel happy with any comment you would post on here when speaking to a muslim is that it seems Muslims are permanently offended about anything other than positive views about their religion, so a kind of cultural cringe is adopted rather similar to that which you seem to be affecting. This cultural cringe is the racism of lower expectation seen in the liberal left elite and main stream media. Ask yourself this, if instead of Islam being the problem it was white supremacists, would the media condemnation be be equal or stronger..

          • Damaris Tighe

            Very well put. Muslims like the ‘cricket coach’ are often in denial. It’s also the case that people from the sub-continent & their descendants learn the Koran by rote in arabic, which they don’t understand because it’s not their language. They really do believe that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’ because that’s what they’ve been told. They have no idea what the Koran actually says.

          • tjamesjones

            It’s just good manners. I don’t say anything here that I’d be embarrassed to say in front of your educated Muslim colleagues. I feel no cultural cringe and am not threatened if a small minority is given an easier ride than the majority population. On topic I think that Honeyford was right and the scandal is that he was hounded out by the left.

          • Jacky Treehorn

            Oh course its about good manners but if you think that there is no problem with islam then there is no need for embarrassment, if on the other hand you think there is a problem with islam by not even saying so on a thread about islam only helps the fanatics and believe me if you do think there is a problem with islam and you say so Muslims WILL be offended. So what is it, honesty or self cencorship?

          • Damaris Tighe

            Yes, good manners (an old British virtue) are key but they work both ways. I remember reading a story about how a shivering immigrant was given an overcoat in a bus queue – that’s infinitely more decent than putting up a notice ‘no blacks’. But the other side of the coin is the courtesy that immigrants owe their hosts: they should recognise that they are ‘guests’ & behave as such.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Yes, good manners (an old British virtue) are key but they work both ways. I remember reading a story about how a shivering immigrant was given an overcoat in a bus queue – that’s infinitely more decent than putting up a notice ‘no blacks’. But the other side of the coin is the courtesy that immigrants owe their hosts: they should recognise that they are ‘guests’ & behave as such.

          • mohdanga

            “I feel no cultural cringe and am not threatened if a small minority is given an easier ride than the majority population.”
            Whys should 3rd world, non-white minorities, who choose to come to the West, be given an ‘easier ride’??

          • tjamesjones

            Oh, I don’t know mohdanga, some old British sense of fair play? But you give them a good kicking, don’t let them off too easy!

          • mohdanga

            Who said anything about ‘giving them a good kicking’?? Typical lefty response.
            Again, why should someone who chooses to come to the West be given an easier ride than the host population? Yeah, yeah, we know, ‘white privilege’ and all that, everything the West created came easily, no one suffered or worked hard, we exploited the 3rd world, blah, blah, blah.
            And doesn’t fair play involve the same rules for all?

          • tjamesjones

            mohdanga dear, it’s not lefty to not be racist. You’ve obviously got a chip or two on your shoulder, and that’s fine – as I said above I am proud of my history, I feel no guilt and perhaps for that reason I don’t feel threatened by “3rd world, non-white minorities” (also known as “people”). It’s just good manners to give an easier ride to an outsider, like you might to a guest in your house. But you don’t have to, you can do what you like!

        • Damaris Tighe

          Being muslim is not a race; English converts are muslim.

          • Andy

            Islam is a belief not a race. I’m a Christian, so as such Islam is heretical and thus Muslims are heretics. Mohammed was no prophet: he was an anti-Christ. Our tradition (the English tradition) is that you can believe whatever you wish just so long as you don’t betray the State. And this is now the problem we have. Far too many Muslims are only too willing to betray the State – lets call a spade a spade here: they are traitors. Question is what are we going to do about it ?

          • Damaris Tighe

            I don’t think we can do anything about it, short of resorting to Nazi methods. I don’t want that, do you?

          • Andy

            The Muslim Brotherhood supported the Nazis. The Grand Mufti was happy to go and see Hitler doing Nazi salutes etc.

    • atticus1900

      The BNP and UKIP are diametrically different.

      • tjamesjones

        yes, I imagine all the old BNP voters are now voting green, or perhaps libdem.

        • TrulyDisqusted

          Then you’d imagine wrong.

          If you really want to seek out the “old BNP” then I’d suggest you start with your local LABOUR Council and work from there.

          Google it, before the EU’s Right to be forgotten laws remove all mention of the Lefts ugly present and past from our search results?

          The Truth will set you free. It would also permanently remove the Left from any chance of winning office, hence the EU’s Right to b forgotten.

          What? You don’t think that recent Law was forced through for the benefit of the little people do you???

        • Jacky Treehorn

          Or perhaps Labour seeing that most came from large labour voting working class constituencies. I can remember dockers marching in support of enoch in the sixties .Just because you want something to happen doesn’t neccesarily mean it will.
          Or are you of the mind that unless someone speaks anything other than positive things about immigration they must be racist?

        • pablo58

          Of course they’re not. They were never that fascistic.

      • MikeF

        Absolutely – the left are terrified by the prospect of a genuine mass democratic opposition to the mythology of multiculturalism and will do anything to try to stifle it.

      • DonnaTxx

        Yes, the BNP are nationalists and UKIP are right wing tories.

    • GraveDave

      Hey, tj, it’s Honeyford. Or were you thinking of that loony who shot up the school back there.

      • tjamesjones

        I don’t know what I was thinking of, but of course you’re correct, apologies.

    • Jacky Treehorn

      Another desperate attempt to link UKIP with the BNP. Typical from those that can’t win a debate against UKIP policies. In my lifetime I have met many people that would tell a racist joke or say something mildly stereotypical of a non British race but the only person that I could say shocked me with his extreme racism bordering on Nazism was a confirmed card carrying Labour voter/member. It was a joy to descover at a later date what a gutless coward he was too. Can you give any links to UKIP sites where racism is spewed out?

      • tjamesjones

        try the telegraph and spectator blogs.

        • Jacky Treehorn

          So no UKIP site as I thought. No evidence just a kneejerk lefty opinion.There were no racist remarks as you admit but you seemed desperate to link this story with ukip and racism.
          I have always thought that those that see racism in everything are more likley to be racist themselves. Perhaps you have a superiority problem that needs assuaging and you’er over compensating. Just saying.

          • tjamesjones

            Sorry Jackie, but just because I don’t like racism doesn’t make me a lefty, that says more than you intended. One good thing about ukip is that it helps detoxify the Tories.

          • Jacky Treehorn

            I said lefty opinion. Still wanting something to be to suit your own prejudice I see .UKIP has not detoxified the Tories (again wanting more than what the evidence shows). ”that says more than I intended” what did I intend? You brought race into the thread and tried to link UKIP a party that will not (unlike the Tories and Labour)) allow former members of the bnp to join.
            As i have said I think those that are obsessed with race are probably over compensating for their own deep demons, a bit like those that hate gay people fighting their own homosexual desires. Still no evidence then.

          • tjamesjones

            sorry jackie it’s not a lefty opinion to not like racism 🙂

          • Jacky Treehorn

            Whats racist about pointing out the truth about Islam? which for the umpteenth time IS NOT A RACE. Do you think people think that white English converts to Islam are ok but the brown ones not so much? Here’s a question, try answering it. Would you feel so offended by what people write on this blog if it wasn’t Islamic supremacy but white supremicy being spoken about.

          • tjamesjones

            Jacky you can try to convince yourself that you’re onto something here, but it’s not really happening. What’s your theoretical question? Would I object to people posting criticism of white supremacists? Do you really think that shines any light on anything?

            You are also correct that Islam is not a race, another blow to a paper tiger.

            The fact is, this country now has a significant population of muslim people, and we need a civilised and reasonable way of living with that. Whatever that looks like, it’s not helped by poisonous commentary on the tele and spectator blogs. Imagine yourself a british muslim and read through the comments here.

          • Jacky Treehorn

            You think you are so clever and so deep thinking but it precisely because of people like you that we are in the mess we are in.
            because of self censorship lest we offend someone (cultural cringe) the ‘trojan horse’ has arrived My reference to white supremasists is that when the evil is white and indiginous no one cares about hurting feelings or being thought rude, the problem is attacked and dealt with as it should be. If you bothered reading my earlier post it covered how I would feel if Christians were running amok. Its not as if Muslims are falling over themselves to condemn whats been happening, mind you they semed to whip up a pretty big demo against the iraq war bussing thousands down from northern cities to be there. Strange that!
            If I was a British Muslim reading these comments I would feel ashamedt by deeds being done in the name of Islam and would understand the concerns of the british.
            But If it makes you feel all fuzzy inside by being so considerate about their feelings good for you.

    • Damaris Tighe

      I support UKIP & dislike any reference to skin colour as much as you do – it’s irrelevant.

    • DonnaTxx

      What on earth has race got to do with islam? Its a religion/ideology.

      • Tryst46

        The same can be said for Jews really. Being Jewish does not indicate a particular race, it is merely a religious definition.

  • Liam Fairley

    Six months ago, I would’ve emphatically disagreed with this article. That is until, whilst on placement in a secondary school, I heard a young teenage boy say (in a broad northern accent) “I’m not English, I’m Pakistani”. I didn’t know what to make of that. Still don’t.

    • atticus1900

      Did you know that the Taliban movement was as much about Pashtu Nationalism as it was about religion? It was based on ethnic preference. The same is true for many immigrants who have moved here from that part of the world. Many Pakistanis born here remain separate through a desire to preserve racial purity, which feeds nationalism for countries of ‘origin’.

      What concerns me is an increase in racial abuse against non-asian people. A colleague of mine yesterday told me how she was abused by a picnic table of young Pakistani men as she walked her dog by the Thames in Hurley!

      We find ourselves in a very sorry situation.

      • mandelson

        Dogs are haram (forbidden) as they are unclean according to Islam. Perhaps that is what got them going.

        • Aberrant_Apostrophe

          Perhaps the occupants of the picnic table should have moved to the banks of the river Indus?

        • Damaris Tighe

          Well that’s no excuse, they’re not living in an islamic country & they should show some respect to their hosts.

      • GraveDave

        Well marrying your cousins over and over again is certainly one way of doing it. I’ve also noticed lately how many carers are out nowadays escorting the poor unfortunate offspring.
        It’ s a needless tragedy.

      • The Patriot

        But what to do about it, that is the most important question now, what’s done is done, we need to look to the future and sort this damned, unwanted mess out..

      • Gwangi

        Oh yes, ethnic minorities and especially south Asians are the BIGGEST RACISTS GOING! Add to that religious hatred (Muslim v Hindu) and you see how unpleasant the ‘diverse cultures’ which exist on our island actually are. But this is a great unmentionable. According to the BBC and the bien pensants in charge of every council, every school, every media organisation in the land, we must celebrate these differences!

        Well, the last Asians I met had views that would make Adolf himself sound like Nick Clegg gusset. Ever ask a Muslim about Jews eh? Or gays. Or blacks? Maybe suggest their daughter marries a black, a white man, an atheist?

        How many Asian girls marry people who are not related and older Asian men of the same culture and religion eh? If a white person said they wouldn’t want their daughter marrying a black or Asian or someone of another religion or an atheist, they’d be called a bigot. Apparently that doesn’t apply if that person has a dark skin. Time to black up maybe? Then you can be the biggest bigot ever and get a council grant and probably an MBE for community relations eventually too!

        People won’t hear what they don’t want to hear of course – so we must celebrate the diversity of the emperor’s clothes, for fear of appearing racist or getting our card marked by the pc gestapo who goosestep through every council building, every school and hospital, and every media organisation, making share no-on has thoughts which differ from their HR department’s diversity policy.

      • Harold Angryperson

        They sound like the same bunch that I’ve seen there regularly over the last year or so, all short hair and long beards (except for the younger boys). It looks like an out-take from the film Four Lions, wannabe jihadis playing football, picnicking and sunbathing.

        • vieuxceps2

          “Picknicking and sunbathing”. That’s a nice thought. Nothing to fear then,eh? God ole lefties,marvellous at propaganda.

          • Harold Angryperson

            You clearly misunderstand my stance, particularly as you obviously haven’t seen Four Lions:
            http://www.fourlionsthemovie.com/

          • vieuxceps2

            Yes, Ihave got hold of the wrong end of the stick-my apologies to you.

    • saveAMERICAfromTHEnutters

      and it is your past ignorance (and that of many others like you) that has created the problem that now needs to be dealt with.

    • GraveDave

      Until it comes to needing and being entitled to something free.

    • Porphyrogenitos

      Why are you so surprised? Isn’t this just the natural outcome of identity politics which the left has been championing for the past 50 years.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Yes!

    • edlancey

      Only six months ago !!

      Have you been out of the country for the last 20 years ? Or in a coma perhaps.

      Unfortunately all other interpretations of your inability to acknowledge facts that have been staring everyone else in the face for decades are rather less charitable.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Well strictly speaking he’s right, ethnically he’s not English but he is of British nationality, as I consider myself British but not English. But maybe this distinction wasn’t what he meant!

    • vieuxceps2

      Ah,a schoolteacher.Perhaps now you can understand why your profession is so scorned? You have been complicit in our downfall.

    • CBinTH

      I’m confused about what exactly you find confusing about that. There are plenty of other kids of Pakistani descent who do define themselves as English, of course, so why should the remark of one child be so destructive to your world view?

      And how is it news to you that ethnic minorities have problems with “Englishness” anyway? It’s a well known cliche that they are supposed to prefer to call themselves “British” rather than “English”.

      The source of your problem is your confusion, shared by everyone except for a few ideologues, about the nature of your nationality. The whole country is undergoing an identity crisis, and that boy is no exception. He, and also all those others who would sneer at him were he to call himself an Englishmen, regard Englishness as an ethnic identity. Others regard it as a geographical identity, belonging to everyone who resides in the English part of the UK, and regard Britishness as something belonging to every citizen or resident of the UK. Historically, there have been, elsewhere, multi-national states where the state itself, the land you lived in, did not confer a national identity – rather that identity was inherited, and so essentially ethnic, in nature. Think of Central Europe prior to the First World War. England never had to bother to define “Englishness” because, until recently, it was mono-ethnic in population, and such small minorities as did exist simply were psychologically absorbed into the predominant identity group. Now, England is troubled by the need to reconcile the concepts of democracy and of the nation state with the reality of a nation of multiple ethnicities and with the baggage of meanings and associations left by the prior understanding of what it was to be British, and English.

      It is taken for granted that England is, and should be, a “Nation State”, with a government that represents the community as a whole. This means that the nation can no longer be defined as an ethnic group, because this would exclude too many people. On the other hand, defining everybody as British, or English, can itself be problematic, because imposing a unified identity can conflict with the desires of members of immigrant groups to retain their own individual identities, and because redefining Englishness can mean jettisoning much of the inherited idea of what it is about. For instance, if everyone is “English”, then what label do we have for the traditional inhabitants of the country – or are they the only ethnic group not to actually exist?

      Of all the things to be upset over, that kid probably isn’t it.

      He feels excluded from being English, and sees himself as Pakistani – that’s not his fault. It doesn’t mean he won’t grow to see himself as somewhat or sort-of British. It doesn’t mean that he’s personally hostile towards “the English”.

      • Colonel Mustard

        It’s not up to the government to decide how it should be defined. I am English regardless of what definitions and criteria they might dream up now in a ridiculous attempt to delay the consequences of their own foolishness. What does that mean? It means I am English by birthright, nationality, ethnicity and inclination and not by anything that might be bestowed by a bunch of crap and arrogant politicians who behave as if there is no past to inherit and no future to protect.

        • CBinTH

          Well, it’s not exactly up to the government – either in the real world or in the ideal one – to define “Englishness”, but in reality they are, nevertheless, a very influential voice, and a voice that reflects influences, and in the ideal “nation state” the government would be of the nation and for the nation, so government is inherently linked to questions of nationality.

          But I wasn’t saying that politicians are passing diktats on these matters, anyway. I meant more that politicians are part of a nexus of public thinkers and talkers who collectively define shared national values and ideas, and that on this issue they’ve chosen, like most ordinary people, to fudge the issue.

          Most of us, if asked, would probably chose to say that Englishness (and also Britishness) is a matter of culture and, perhaps, of inclination. This is a mid-way between the restrictive definition based on ethnicity and the too-wide definition based upon mere geographical coincidence, or legal citizenship. It seems to reflect the reality of people of foreign descent who talk, think, and feel, very English indeed. And the reality, too, of foreigners of English descent. It seems acceptable to the liberal because it acknowledges that, in the end, the nation is a mental construct, but appeals to the conservative because it suggests that the nation has a shared and preserved spiritual essence.

          But the trouble with defining a nation according to its culture is that, in the end, culture is pretty difficult to define and hard to pin down. and we end up with a string of politically useful catchphrases (“tolerant”,) and comic stereotypes which are neither particularly accurate nor particularly unique to whichever country we are discussing. We can end up excluding people we ought to include and including people who are really quite problematic. We can end up jettisoning much of our old identity because it leaves some newcomers feeling excluded.

          Incidentally, I think a lot of the problems are due to the strong ethnic identities of the newcomers. After all, I know people of Spanish descent who don’t bristle with repressed rage when reminded of Francis Drake and the Armada, who partake as Englishmen or women in a certain amount of pride, even – so why is it so difficult for some people of other descent to feel the same? And why do so many British Muslims feel uncomfortable about the Crusades?

          But, anyway, I’m just rambling, now.

    • JB_1966

      You are in danger of falling into the trap that many, many liberals and leftists do, which is to think that minority groups can’t really think and that you need to “make” something of what they say. You don’t. That teenager knows his own mind and is thoroughly of the opinion that he is a Pakistani i.e. a member of the “land of the pure”.

      You can speculate as to whether that means to him he must involve himself in Jihad, or other campaigns against Britain but to wonder what he means is to waste your time: he said what he meant.

    • tjamesjones

      Crazy stuff Liam, you’d think reading all the comments here that he’d have cause to feel welcome wouldn’t you!!

  • saveAMERICAfromTHEnutters

    Radical Islam is the scourge of the earth that our children will need to stamp out or die.

    • Shazza

      No need to say ‘radical’.

    • JB_1966

      But will they and are they numerous enough to do it?

    • haveittodayray

      You are correct. http://wp.me/p2GpDB-fc

  • jack

    It’s just plain sad that a visionary was trying to lead people who were blind, and incapable of being able to see until given a magnifying glass some thirty years later.

  • MichaelSimonStewart

    I can honestly say, with my hand on my heart, that I could see all this coming 30 years ago and I am convinced that in 20 years from now ( I shan’t be here) the situation will be far worse, possibly intolerable for some. As a nation we can be proud of being a generally tolerant lot. Unfortunately however, this tolerance will be our downfall. Sad and all unnecessary.

    • vieuxceps2

      For tolerance, read apathy

      • mbobby

        or for apathy read a leftist agenda to criminalise anyone who dares to question why a foreign culture should be the norm!

      • Colonel Mustard

        I think English tolerance is distinct from apathy and that apathy can often be confused with reluctance to speak out for fear of the consequences. Liberties have been taken, literally, in a number of ways.

    • mohdanga

      “Celebrate diversity”….”Diversity is our strength”…..such will be the downfall of the West…..

  • Common Sense ✟ كافر

    It’s no wonder the British white working class are doing so badly at school. I remember 15 years ago being taught about every other religion and culture on the planet apart from British values, culture, and history.
    Just how great and peaceful Islam is, Black history lessons, and how guilty I should be because I’m white and supposedly my anscestors were all evil slave traders.

    • red2black

      I seem to remember being white working class meant not giving a bollocks about our own ‘religion’, never mind anyone else’s.

      • ThomasER916

        I seem to remember Useful Idiots for Cultural Marxism suffer from the operant conditioning to fling sh!t like a money at Whites.

  • Benbecula

    Honeyford was hung out to dry by the liberal elites.

  • The Patriot

    Hindsight is a wonderful (and yet totally useless) thing, the real question now is, how do we deal with this menace that has been here for so long that is engrained in all areas of government etc…Anti-white racism, here in Britain, would anyone in the 1950’s have even imagined such a thing? Let alone our soliders being butchered in the streets, innocent civilians blown to bits on the Tube etc… We are at war, it is time to start fighting back..

    • JB_1966

      I am glad you now have the benefit of hindsight. Many, many of us from Bradford knew he was right at the time and were howled down for being racist. Much the same as we were when religious lunatics demonstrated in Bradford, demanding Salman Rushdie be killed.

      • Andy

        You are quite right. I remember Honeyford very well and the really ugly campaign against him orchestrated by the Fascist Left. We ended up with book burning outside the Courts and Town Hall.

        • JB_1966

          We will end up with much, much worse sooner than you think. The rape gangs, beheaders and bombers are just the very start, as they always are whenever Muslim populations grow. 1300 years of consistent behaviour.

  • Trofim

    Every town in Britain should have a Ray Honeyford street/square/boulevard etc.

  • Picquet

    Too late. Far too late; perhaps some form of official recognition of Honeyford and his view would be in order. But that would probably be deemed ‘offensive’.

  • MikeF

    Ray Honeyford was targetted by the left because his views undermined the strategy the left was then formulating to use ‘identity politics’ as a means of undermining democratic politics. ‘Anti-racism’ was then as it is now nothing to do with opposing racial prejudice and everything to do with acting as a vanguard ideology for the suppression of basic democratic freedoms. The idea that the left give two hoots about ‘minority cultures’ other than to the extent they can use them as a smokescreen for a sectarian agenda with quite different priorities is a joke – not a funny one, but a joke all the same.

  • Patrick G Cox

    It is said that he who forgets his past is doomed to repeat its failures – and that is certainly true of our situation here. Islam has always practiced a strategy of infiltration, followed by demands for special concessions, and when these are refused or rejected, armed conflict. This is how they undermined the Byzantine Empire, how they conquered the Persians, and the Moguls. They attempted it in Spain (Al Andalus) and they attempted it in Romania, Hungary, Serbia and, more recently succeeded in Kosovo by pushing Albanian Muslims into the area ahead of separation.

    Unfortunately those who infest our government, both MPs and Public ‘Servants’ (Now there’s an oxymoron) are all total ignoramuses when it comes to history. Thus, they condemn us to repeating the penalties of their endless folly. The Left are quick with labels. Anyone to their ‘right’ is now a ‘Fascist’, any suggestion that you have a problem with the ‘cultural’ activities of a minority makes you a ‘racist’ and the latest in a long list that brands people as ‘something-phobic’. In this way they stifle debate, whip up the ignorant rent-a-mob crowds into a frenzy of activism to ‘drive the evil …’ out of society, the news or office.

    The late Enoch Powell was no Fascist. He was certainly no ‘White Supremacist’ and he identified the developing problem long before it had reached the crisis point. Those who drove Mr Honeyford from office are guilty of the grossest injustice, and should now be traced and made to confront the consequences. The tragedy is that it may already be too late to fix this problem. As someone else here has commented, in Sunni Islam, one is a Muslim first, the national of a country, perhaps. Multyculturalism has ensured that this is nurtured, so we now have some 3 million Muslims in the UK who do not consider themselves British, but Muslim. They do not accept our laws, and Blair’s meddlers have provided them with an avenue to use Sharia Law and Courts rather than English ones through the ‘Arbitration’ laws. Every Mosque has a Madrasah, in which radicals and converts teach that the kuffars are to be converted or destroyed – and still we hear our left wing intelligensia burbling on about how ‘wonderfully diverse’ this makes our society.

    They’ve torn the heart out of our ‘society’ and replaced it with rule by violent, virulent minorities and now behave like the famous three monkeys, hearing nothing they don’t like, seeing nothing they prefer not to, and saying nothing that refutes the failed ideology.

    We are in very deep trouble.

  • David

    The denial of the folly of multiculturalism is like the BBC’s denial of the paedophilia of Jimmy Savile. Every sane person knew Jimmy was rotten but his powerful friends and compliant bosses ignored and covered up the cries of complaint. There is still no establishment will for change as the concepts patriotism and defending the nation and its culture are seen as passé and distinctly blue collar.
    The bien pensant still essentially believe racism is a white crime. After the murder of Lee Rigby, Hogan Howe the Met’ commissioner I believe, stated that the killing was just another murder. It is never referred to as an act of racial and religious hatred and on the anniversary of the event the BBC ignored it.

  • balance_and_reason

    Any British citizen fighting in wars over sea’s should have to reapply for the right to return unless their participation was pre agreed….who knows what bad publicity British men could earn us oversea’s if they get involved in wars not sanctioned by the British government…its a minefield.

  • Emily Elizabeth Windsor-Cragg

    If people cannot live within civil (and civilized) law, their natural place is exile … someplace else. If they demand the right to oppress their women, dress them as sacks of laundry, call out for “honor killings” and condemn free-mind conversions, there place is not here. Barbarians, let them go back to Barbaria.

  • http://www.G4RNW.co.uk MichaelSimonStewart

    apathy is absolutely
    right, I stand corrected.

  • SuperSnail

    Extremely well expressed analysis of Britain’s unfortunate errors in dealing with foreign communities. Such a thing should not be encouraged, once in Britain, one is British, one assimilates or finds another home more to one s liking. Britain’s complacency in the matter is baffling.

  • Jane

    What I find to be extremely ironic is that at this very moment inflamed political British discourse states that immigrants to England from fellow European countries are the real threat that England faces. Are you so blind not to see how many more similarities in culture, religion, economic status the European countries share and how they are all different from the Asian and African cultures, and especially from the Muslim countries, who should be viewed as the real threat when it comes to immigration policy?

    • Jacky Treehorn

      Because of cultural marxism it has not been possible to critisise immigration due to the fact that immigration was mainly from the sub continent or non white countries. Now that immigration is from white christian lands people feel able to speak out without the possibilty of being called a bigot,racist or even loseing employment. I believe as you Islam is the biggest problem facing the west. By taking control of our borders the EU has (not by design) allowed the indiginous British the ability to speak out.

    • JB_1966

      It is a proxy because there is less danger of prosecution inherent in criticising ethnic Europeans than other races.

      For me, let’s get as many Christian or post-Christian baby-makers into the country as fast as possible. They may just save us.

  • Radford_NG

    Ray Honeyford’s original article,Education and Race-an Alternative View (1984),is republished in The Telegraph as below.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3654888/Education-and-Race-an-Alternative-View.html

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  • mikewaller

    Could this possibly be the same Roger Scruton who, a few weeks ago, was extolling the virtues of spirituality over evolutionary theory? Clearly, the kind of detached consistency one might expect from a first rate philosopher is not his strong point.

    In the preceding article, Bryan Appleyard has this to say: “We know little about the world beyond our immediate perceptions and we console ourselves by filling in the gaps with faith”. In the England of the first half of the 20th century there was no real harm in this as even the Catholics had largely adopted “a live and let live” approach. However with the coming of radical Muslims, we really have to hold fast to our new understanding that (a) as Appleyard says, religion is, in all probability, no more than a coping mechanism for creatures (i.e humans) whose brain is too big for their own good; and (b) those who devote their lives to proselytising and other forms of extreme religious commitment are simple acting out what is at the deepest level a personal career choice. In seeking to drive this home to those least receptive to it, I cannot help thinking that making “The thirty Years War” a mandatory topic in all history classes would be a very good start.

  • Kasperlos

    As many clarions on this subject in the past were shot down, the Britain of not so old, pre WWII, is finished. It joined, without the inhabitants either asked or they could care less, the great one-way globalisation party that has changed not only the demographic makeup of the West, but the political, religious and cultural traditions which can only lead to a future conflict as the the late to fire populace realize what has taken place. This will not happen in and until the coarseness of the third world dramatically affects itself on the state organs. This, some might argue, has already taken place without the assistance of the fourth world. In any event, the chickens are not only roosting, they’re watching the hens lay ever more eggs to scramble up what’s left of the West.

  • willshome

    Just to say, I look at the six people in the photograph above and, without wishing to stereotype, there are five I would be more interested in talking to, and hearing from, than Mr Honeyford. Don’t they look like splendid boys to you? Again, without wishing to stereotype, I guess there’s a doctor or IT whizz amongst them by now. It would be interesting to find out. Why not do an article on what they have become, Spectator?

    • mohdanga

      Yes, because we all know that white, indigenous, Brits are the problem, not massive immigration from 3rd world Muslim utopias. It appears that multiculturalism and mass immigration has been an outstanding success as evidenced by ethnic ghettoes, large scale British emigration, appeasement of Islamic terrorists and fundamentalists, political correctness run amok, and on and on.

    • liam

      So you can tell, just by looking at the photo, that Mr Honeyford is boring (because he’s white and middle-aged by any chance?) and his five companions are ‘splendid’ and interesting. Hmm…

    • Kugelschreiber

      wilshome

      But don’t you see that saying THAT (that our country would benefit from these wonderful immigrants) is pretty similar to , say, a husband saying to his wife

      “Oh don’t you see dear how much better our marriage would be if I brought in my 6 mistresses to live here, they have such splendid qualities, YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY DEAR! Why aren’t you?”

  • Kennybhoy

    What was done to Ray Honeyford happened while Margaret Thatcher was in power…

  • http://www.G4RNW.co.uk MichaelSimonStewart

    Diversity is one thing but backward, mediaeval religious oppression is something else !

    • mohdanga

      Yet no one ever says that non-white countries need to be ‘diversified’?? Why is that? If diversity is great for white countries why not for non-white countries?

  • gerronwithit

    Honeyford should be beatified but what’s the point in this Islamic country.

  • Laguna Beach Fogey

    Ray–and Enoch–were right.

  • grumpy_old_ben

    This has always been the purpose of “identity politics” and “values clarification” – to produce an incessant stream of insoluble, intractable problems. Facebook producing 50-odd “gender types” is an extreme example of this, but it’s all of a piece

  • James Mayer

    Let’s just keep Europe for Europeans; it’d be so much healthier. If the United States wants to be a ‘vibrant’ melting pot, let them experiment with that, and their transition into a Brazil, and then South Africa, of the global North can serve as the final judgement on die-versity. The old world should remain populated by its ancestral peoples so that their physical beauty and high culture can be preserved.

    You know you want to…

    • mohdanga

      Unfortunately the US is heading the way of Brazil and SA….massive 3rd world immigration and a refusal to enforce their borders by the Bumbler-in-Chief is the start.

    • Kugelschreiber

      JamesMayer

      It’s not that simple for me, for my natural human sympathy does make me love and care for the people of the other races as my fellow humans, even if I DO wish for the indigenous to remain the majority in the country

      I do feel that it was countries like Africa and India that needed more (physical) DIVERSITY, not us! Can we not help them (with their consent) in some way on this?

      In addition, I could not be COMPLETELY happy in my own country, no matter how good my life here, while there are people out there in other countries living dreadful lives. This would nag at me. I need for something to be done to help them improve their countries.

      I’ve said all this but I do nowadays (ex Labour voter) actually support a smallish, left-wing, anti-immigration party.

  • http://www.G4RNW.co.uk MichaelSimonStewart

    and there is where you find the nitty gritty of what Islam and sharia law is all about

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  • IainRMuir

    Did The Spectator offer Mr Honeyford any support at the time?

    Maybe it did, I don’t recall, but those who remained silent or joined the lynch mob should not be heaping ALL the blame on the educational establishment or the multicultural experts of that time.

    Few people come out of this very well.

  • Braven Eworld

    Man-made global-warming cannot be proved.It’s a story of science fiction. An ever-shifting mirage of illusions conjured up to exploit the sympathies of the gullible and the ignorant.

  • Daviejohn

    I suppose there is no chance Mr.Honeyford is still looking for a job is there? He may find his views a little more accepted now, except of course where the intellectual glitterati still are in control.

    • liamjq

      He died unmourned with no apology 2 years ago his life destroyed by marxist morons..ps the couple you chose to represent your feature article about the financial pressures of having children highlight what he was fighting against

  • haveittodayray

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, perhaps said it best. “Violence is inherent in Islam”. Ayaan as a former Muslim speaks from experience. http://wp.me/p2GpDB-fc

  • Titch

    Their attitude hasn’t changed at all over the years. They come here by choice, get given a home and benefits, then teach their kids to hate us. Why the hell are they here?! They think they owe no loyalty or gratitude? The things they get from us they would not get from any other country that’s for sure. But I guess there is one thing they are right about – they certainly don’t belong here!

  • BigCheddar

    Roger, we need more articles like this, thank you

  • CristianoZapata

    If UKIP had the “minerals” to collaborate openly with Front National, instead of choosing the anarchy-leftists of the Italian “five-star movement”, I would be inclined to hope for a prosperous future here in Europe.

    I see a last stand coming, like in a Tolkien-novel, because it’s all about values and identity now. I’m a white European, national states matter to me, I find them decisive for the survival of my kind, and I’m blunt enough to say that Europe has been built on the sweat and tears of people like me. Never have I taken a hand-out in my life, Europe would not have become Europe were it not for the honest hard-working people inhabiting this continent in the past. We’re flushing it all down the drain, pissing on the graves of our ancestors. We have let people in the front-door, to whom national states do not seem to be relevant at all, they have a religious law,a universal law which will necessarily apply wherever they go. We can’t fight that..

    Cheers,

    Cristiano – Italy.

  • Get Carter

    Mr. Honeyford deserves a knighthood – I doubt he’ll get it.
    Simply, the institutions of the UK – its judiciary, senior police, services, media – have been ideologically corupted. They focus on ‘liberation’ not the doing of their job.
    This process began largely before Anthony Lynton Blair’s arrival, but Blair – shrewdly observing that the Left hate authority but love authoritarianism – pushed this process to its extreme and made everything political.
    So who needs the law when you can create a climate where ‘wrong’ thinking means you are obliged to censor your own thoughts? When even thinking – for those that do that kind of thing – becomes a dangerous ‘political’ activity.
    The fanatical obsession with ‘human rights’ (what a human being IS has never, conveniently, been defined in legal terms) means that competing claims are simply transferred into the ‘real’ world which is already full to the brim with conflicting interests and values.

  • Get Carter

    Mr. Honeyford deserves a knighthood – I doubt he’ll get it.
    Simply, the institutions of the country – its law, politics, media – have been deeply ideologically corrupted. Even if you say that the cyanide is in only a part of the cake who but a cretin would eat any of it?
    Anthony Lynton Blair didn’t start this process but he shrewdly noticed that the Left whilst hating authority love authoritarianism.
    So the authority figures can be undermined whilst simultaneously conscripted to the New Labour Project. The old sign posts remain but point nowhere. The institutions are hollowed out. The new ideological man and woman (or is that person) is here but no one knows what ‘here’ means anymore.Indeed who needs the law when you can get people to self-censor their own thoughts – that is, for those that still indulge in that dangerous political activity known as thinking.
    This is of course the triumph of (cultural) marxism – liberation from everything even our own humanity.
    Can anyone doubt that the war of every civilized person against the Left is now a total one?

    • Jay Igaboo

      I stumbled upon this post because an Indian gent pointed me towards this article when I has posted on another recent Speccy article of suicide bombers.
      I had posted a diatribe against mass immigration, especially Islamic immigration, and we had an exchange of polite views on the evils of Islam and mass immigration.
      Any back to your post:
      Excellent post–but try to get such as this early on into forums, all the better to reach others.

  • eurozone

    Roger Scruton- Crystal Clear as usual, and a joy to read!

  • jpct50

    Europe is toast. America must amend its course quickly.

    • ThomasER916

      Not when Whites learn that race exists and no one has a “right” to live among us. Miscegenation is genocide.

  • Wizz Key

    The decision to invade Iraq, in 2003, is quite arguably the worst decision in US history.

  • http://i-squared.blogspot.co.uk/ Katabasis

    Another Bradfordian who deserves an honourable mention is Philip Bamforth.

    He was a police officer who worked hard on helping women who were subject to honour killings and other reprisals in the city. He campaigned hard to raise awareness of the issue. He was also forced out of his job.

  • cymruchris

    “People often ask where are the moderate Muslims, the ones who identify
    themselves as British, and who will speak up for our law, our
    institutions and our values.”
    Perhaps ask the same question about those who identify themselves as European, or something other than murderous terrorists.

  • Sam

    Do we still have to listen to white people tell us that there is no racism?

  • TheMechanicalAdv

    Finally someone gets it!!!

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