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Brighton has become an object lesson in why it is a disaster to vote Green

The eco-comrades have experimented with a series of bizarre policies

18 October 2014

9:00 AM

18 October 2014

9:00 AM

I have just moved back to Brighton, and I am happy to report that it remains as shambolic as ever. The estate agent said before opening the door to a prospective flat, ‘I’m obliged by law to tell you that the previous tenant was an alcoholic and died here.’ I replied, ‘I am not surprised and that is not a problem.’ No one who knows Brighton expects puritanism.

Unfortunately, we have grown to expect dreadful politics. Since 2010, both the MP and the council have gone Green, turning the town into a laboratory for their kooky ideas. Given that they are being called the Ukip of the left — an outsider party on the verge of an electoral breakthrough that could make them bigger than the Lib Dems — the Green experiment in Brighton ought to serve as a warning to the entire country.

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There have been some silly gimmicks reminiscent of the 1980s loony left: a proposed ‘meat-free Monday’ in council-run staff canteens (reversed when the bin men demanded their bacon back), gender-neutral toilets, and allowing people to identify as Mr, Mrs or Mx on council forms (Mx means Mixter, meaning someone who doesn’t define as male or female — not to be confused with the MX, which was a nuclear missile in the Cold War). Many of their mistakes are due to naivety. Faced with cuts, council leader Jason Kitcat proposed a 4.75 per cent tax increase to be endorsed in a referendum. Labour called it a silly political stunt, as the cost of the vote — estimated at £900,000 — would itself plug many of the gaps. The idea was quashed.

Such is their incompetence that the Greens often hurt the very causes they push. While I was staggered to find that I might face a £50,000 fine if I put something plastic in the paper-only recycling bin outside my house, I was amused to discover that most people just ignore the warnings and dump away — with the result that Green Brighton now ranks 302nd out of 326 councils for its recycling record. The problem is a mix of poor information, a strange recycling collection programme open to abuse, and ceaseless disruptions to the service that mean people have given up trying to do ‘the right thing’.

Last year, the Greens failed to prevent a strike among bin men, with the result that Brighton underwent its very own winter of discontent. Gulls feasted amid the piled-high rubbish. Inevitably, some of the Greens sympathised with the oppressed refuse collectors and joined them on the picket line. There’s an intra-party split every 30 seconds among the eco-comrades.

This year the Greens worked in concert with the Conservatives to secure funding for an architectural monstrosity: a 574ft tower to be erected on the beach opposite Brighton’s burnt-out West Pier. It will be hideous. A giant up-yours to the landscape that would look audaciously phallic in Tokyo, it is totally out of place in a town where the buildings are no more than three storeys high. This particular act of cultural sabotage says a lot about the Green agenda. They aren’t interested in conserving what they inherit so much as transforming it to reflect their progressive ideology. Not for them the countryside of traditional farming and hunting, nor the ramshackle urbanity of Georgian Brighton. No — they dream of an integrated eco/bio/renewable future of steel and glass that will render the inefficient past obsolete. Why else have they welcomed the construction of a huge windfarm off the Sussex coast? Covering more than 60 square miles, the forest of offshore turbines will number over 100 and stand 700ft tall. The only upside is that they might kill all the gulls — leaving any uncollected rubbish to rot unmolested.

How did the Greens, with no real experience of governing, get the votes to do all this? It’s down partly to the collapse in traditional support for Labour post-Blair. But it’s also due to the migration of middle-class London liberals to the south coast, with its cheap houses and easy rail access. And in this regard, the Greens are indeed the inverted image of Ukip — and not only in the sense of being philosophical opposites. Where Ukip represents a revolt of natives against newcomers, the Greens represent a revolt of newcomers against natives. Old Brighton was a working-class seat that voted Conservative until 1997. The new Brighton is becoming a colony of Islington: it’s what the entire country would turn into if it were run by the people who bought Russell Brand’s new booky-wook. Trendy, yes. But they are impractical and very irritating.

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  • Joel

    Torygraph writer in Green attack shocker.

    • http://ukip.com ukipifyouwantto

      yes, and with examples and evidence too!

  • Ricayboy

    I live in Brighton and I can’t stand the Greens for all the reasons listed above and more. They are nothing more than a bunch of students and upper middle-class do-gooders who think that ordinary people worry about provision of organic food shops and whether somebody might be offended by the term ‘Mrs.’

    • BHA1

      Clichéd nonsense!!

      • Ricayboy

        Not so. All Green Party types that I have met are white and middle class. Even their parliamentary candidate for Kemp Town is a yoga teacher! I just can’t see the Green Party appealing to ordinary voters outside studenty, leafty cities. The Green Party is also very intolerant. Look how it treated its local councillor who dared to oppose gay marriage on religious grounds.

        • Em

          So they should oppose bigots who use there religious beliefs to judge others!!!

          • Ricayboy

            A bigot is simply someone who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions. Bigots come in all forms including those on the political left. The case of the councillor in Brighton had nothing to do with hatred or bigotry, only a deeply held religious conviction. People should be free to have opinions which differ from those prescribed by the state orthodoxy, otherwise we are in danger of becoming a totalitarian society.

          • Barry Scarfe

            There is nothin wrong with people having different opinions. After all, it is the basis upon which all democratic societies are built but I think you will find that a lot of religious people base their hatred and intolerance of gays/bisexuals upon religious texts. Why should they force their opinions using the cloak of religious belief upon others in society who have different sexual orientations to them?

          • Kenny Fraser

            i that they are no different from the muslim fundamentalists that they generally hold in such contempt,ALL inflexable and uncompromising religion is a menace to peaceful stability.

          • Ricayboy

            How many people have been butchered by Christians in the last year then?

          • Barry Scarfe

            Probably not a single one but that is beside the point because in respect of this issue many Christians have a problem with the STATE deciding everyone is equal regardless of their sexual orientation and enforcing that into being the law of the land and thus ensuring all of its citizens have equal rights.. They are perfectly entitled to believe it is wrong/immoral ext but they shouldn’t expect the STATE to write those opinions of theirs into the law of the land.

          • Ricayboy

            Barry, just a few years ago the vast majority of people believed that gay marriage was wrong. The councillor was not trying to propose new restrictions, rather to uphold the historical position.

          • Barry Scarfe

            I agree that most people in society believed that and yes the councilor concerned was trying to uphold this position but she should realise that the STATE is also entitled to its opinion on this matter and can write that opinion into law whilst respecting her right to think as she does.

          • Sebby Does Dallas

            A long time ago it was illegal to be gay, but they realised it was wrong and made it legal as there is nothing wrong with it. a few years ago people thought gay marriage was wrong, but they were wrong because there is nothing wrong with it.

          • Ricayboy

            According to whom?

          • Kenny Fraser

            according to the MAJORITY . its called democracy.

          • Kenny Fraser

            i can sympathise with you to a degree ricayboy,and kow how frustrating trying to put a point of view across can be ,especially when others are in opposition to it.i know we are probably political opposites,and all i can say is that i follow a traditional labour party thinking,with a degree of tolerance when it does come down to it.i appreciate it cant be easy living in brighton,having visited there last year,i found it horrendously expensive. £87 per person for b&b,and cheapest beer £3.75 a pint!!!!!! ,but it does have a bit of “buzz” and variety and i loved touring round the pavilion and the parks. but not for me to permanently live there. i did appreciate some of the more unusual little shops,which were a pleasant deprture from the ubiquitous shopping malls,which seem to have mushroomed all over england.

          • Ricayboy

            Aha,

            So if the majority of people want to leave the EU or cut immigration you’ll be fine with that then?

            Fifty years ago homosexuality was considered abhorrent by the majority of the population and that was fine by you because that was the democratic stance of the people?

            What about when slavery was supported by the majority? Was that acceptable?

            What about an Islamic state where the majority of people accept the suppression of women and the promotion of sharia law? Is that OK?

            All I’m saying is that the whole matter is very subjective. What is the majority is wrong? Who decides what is right and wrong in a society? What is our standard of morality?

          • Kenny Fraser

            the answer to that is that there is no answer,and individuals perceive their own standards of what is morally acceptable,i can only speak for myself,in that i am opposed to individuals who consider it fair and just to impose draconian “austerity budgets” upon those who can least afford it,while at the same time giving huge tax handouts to those earning over £150,000 per annum. and also expecting staff on poverty-line wages to go for over 3 years with a paltry 1% pay increase the MAXIMUM allowance,while allowing the very individuals responsible for the international recession(BANKERS) to receive astronomical bonuses,while ALREADY receiving collossal salaries,and the very political parasites who insisted “we are all in this together” awarding themselves 11% salary increase in 1 year! that is what i find morally offensive. leaders should lead by example.

          • Kenny Fraser

            but even you have to admit there are far more instances of knee jerking reactionary types on the right of the political spectrum,its because the fundamentlist attitude of right-wing thinking precludes questioning the decisions of those who are deemed to be recognised as “leaders” obedience and acceptance are regarded as essentially desirable qualities in their perceived inferiors.

          • Ricayboy

            What is a bigot? Aren’t some of the left wing views here equally as bigoted? You’ve got your heads stuck so far up your backsides that you can’t even see your own hypocisy.

        • Rob Pine

          Intolerance of intolerance doesn’t count.

          • Ricayboy

            Intolerance of deeply held religious convictions is pretty low in my opinion.

          • Barry Scarfe

            That would be true but for the fact the government only made gay CIVIL marriages legal and left the churches ect out of the legislation. There is no real problem in gay couples being allowed to have a CIVIL marriage ceremony and all such a ceremony affords them is CIVIL EQUALITY in the eyes of the law and the state. It is time religious people started to respect the division between the state and the church.

          • jumbomumbo

            I don’t see how this comment is relevant at all. Religious conviction is not a basis for any type of policy that effects the lives of regular people.

            If anything, ‘religious’ types should believe in weirder stuff than same sex marriage. Christians are a great example. If we’re to believe the Bible, it’s totally cool to ply your own father with wine and then sleep with him. That’s what happened to Abraham. He was drunk as shit and his own daughter slept with him. This pious stuff from people who quote scripture and stuff is just a joke, as is anyone who has a St. Georges flag as their profile picture. England this, England that. We’re living in one of the golden eras of this epoch, and all you can do is complain about recycling and the fact that one of the representatives for Kemp Town is a yoga instructor. The Welfare Minister, Lord Freud is the perfect example of how far things can go the other way. This article and those that support it are just full of bile.

          • Brogan75

            What he is complaining about is that we can’t say anything any more because P.C. cretins like YOU are dictating what can and cannot be said. Everything is “RACIST” and “FASCIST”, and you take the Christian example but would never take the Muslims as example, because it would go against your P.C. brainwashing. The most fascist people I ever met were ALWAYS lefties, always.

          • jumbomumbo

            I’m a PC cretin am I? Have we met? You seem to know me so well! In fact, I’m far from PC. For example, I have an open mind. Which you, sir, seem to have left behind.

            All religious examples are bullshit. Not just Christian. All of them. Used by soft headed, ignorant, weak willed jellyfish who can’t bear to live in a world where things can’t be explained, so invent a big omnipotent man in the sky to resolve themselves within the universe. Let’s not forget that religion existed to police the people – after all, what’s more terrifying for simpletons who either resist or have no access to knowledge than an eternity in ‘hell’ for their ‘sins’. Pretty effective. You have to give it to leaders of early civilisation for coming up with such a genius way of controlling people that are soft in the head. Like you. All fascism has some basis in religion, or some basis within ignorance. Fundamentally the same thing. Not a very PC comment from me really, don’t you agree?

            Sorry pal, I hate to break it to you, but you’ve come across as if you probably needed special attention at school – and even that didn’t help. You both still believe in a ghost that’s watching your every move. Remember that next time you have a wank

          • alfredo

            I think your last sentence tells us all we need to know about the origins of your hostility to (and confusion about) the Christian religion.

          • Ricayboy

            If you actually bothered to read the Bible or talk to real Christians you’d find that what Abraham did was considered wrong. Nobody claims that it was ‘cool.’ People in the Bible were flawed human beings just as we all are. What’s the St George’s flag got to do with anything? Would you mind if it was the EU flag or the Palestinian flag? In any case, it has nothing to do with my comments.

          • jumbomumbo

            I did. It was Lot, not Abraham – after they parted ways. Have you read the bible either? Sorry to have caught you out.

            That move wasn’t condemned either, what are you on about? Are you even a Christian? It was done because his wife couldn’t bear children, and they wanted to make sure Lot had a lineage. That lineage became the Ammonites.

            Either way, the bible is all for incest and other bullshit. I bet you love that stuff. I mean, I really pity you and that poor, soft brain that lives in that thick skull of yours. So closed to ideas beyond a big bearded man in the sky that is judging your every move, watching you take a shit, worming his way inside your head into your innermost thoughts. That must be fun.

            Good luck on your tirade, and be aware that dinosaurs like you have a limited time on this earth. Well, in fact, we all do. Because we’re mortal. And when you die, you’re just going to be worm food. There’s no heaven, it’s a fairy story told to children so they don’t fear death. And if you need some kind of fantasy story to make yourself feel better, that’s fine, but just don’t expect people who read books and discuss things with people with some kind of logic outside of some bullshit told to people to police them in the first 4 centuries AD to agree with you. Because you’re just looking more and more like some fossilised crazyman that’s been dug up before a time where science was accepted as a fundament of this physical universe.

          • Ricayboy

            Thanks for your interesting and worthwhile contribution and have a nice weekend.

          • OldBoris

            You’re revealing your inner Green Party member by mentioning the evils of Christianity when it is Islam in whose name more than 95% of all deaths due to religious violence this year have been inflicted.

            Bowing before Islam while attacking Christianity like a rabid dog is another tell-tale sign of Green sympathies.

          • alfredo

            You mention Christians and then go on to give an example from the Old Testament not the New.

          • Kenny Fraser

            intolerant religious attitudes should not be tolerated,rabid fundamentalism forced against those who do not follow the same beliefs is socially unacceptable.

          • Brogan75

            Yet when Al Qaeda supporters rally in London you don’t show up protesting; then you have thousands for Gaza.

          • Ricayboy

            Spot on! Christians are being murdered by Muslims all over the Islamic world. Where are the protests?

          • Ricayboy

            The councillor in question just said that she couldn’t bring herself to support gay marriage. She wasn’t a ranting ‘bigot’ in any way, shape or form. She was simply expressing a view that was the norm in the very recent past. I wonder if there would have been the same fuss if a Muslim had objected for the same reasons.

          • Sebby Does Dallas

            Expressing a homophobic view is bigotry.

          • Ricayboy

            But who decides what is ‘homophobic’? Popular consensus? The cultural Marxist intelligentsia? If the councillor had advocated violence against LGBT people I would agree that it was unacceptable, but respectfully refusing to support same-sex marriage is not.

          • Sebby Does Dallas

            Only because you’re religious, normal people don’t care about it. The bigot got what he deserved.

          • Ricayboy

            But she wasn’t a raving ‘bigot’, she was an intelligent and compassionate woman simply expressing a non-PC opinion. What kind of society will we live in if all people who express different views are ruthlessly suppressed? Is that what you really want? Where did I say that I’m ‘religious’?

          • Starbar Rothschild

            you are a genious, the left do not recognise bigotry and intolerance in their own ranks and feel it is their duty to re-educate everyone, have they seen nothing from the past 100 years. BTW well done for ripping George Holliday and others a new A%&EHOLE.

          • Kenny Fraser

            individual religious belief is not to be compulsorarily applied to others however,nor should the educated mind adopt the presumption that their views are universally shared

          • George Holliday

            False analogy.

            Religion is a choice. Sexuality isn’t.

            If you bothered to look at the greens’ policies you’d notice that a lot of them are very sensible and would save you a lot of money. Living wage, drug law reform, a focus on restorative justice in the criminal justice system (a method proven to cut reoffending rates), investment in green energy production, stricter animal welfare laws, I could go on and on.

          • Ricayboy

            OK George, in that case perhaps you should get on to the organisers of ‘Gay Pride’ and suggest that they cancel the event. Since “sexuality is not a choice” it’s really nothing to celebrate or be proud of is it?

            “Oh, but that’s different!”

            I look at the greens’ policies on their own merits. Some of them are more plausible and sensible than others. I once spoke to the Green candidate for Kemp Town (a nice man in many ways) who told me that he hoped that one day we would live in a world without any borders, where people could live anywhere they wished. This utopian thinking doesn’t bear any relation to the ‘real world’ which I and my friends inhabit. A very liberal immigration policy will do very little to help preserve our countryside and precious wildlife. I speak as someone who studied ecology at university and who has a great love of conservation and the great outdoors.

            As I’ve said before most Greens I’ve met seem to come from a particular social demographic. They are all middle class and well educated and think that they are in the best position to make do-gooding decisions for the great unwashed. There’s nothing wrong with being middle class of course but it’s the snobbish “we know best” attitude that I dislike along with the fact that most Greens live comortable lives that will be largely unaffected by their more radical policies. I have yet to meet one working class Brightonian who has a good word to say about the Greens but thank goodness that we poor, nasty, bigoted peasants have such great people to lead us out of our ignorance into sunlit uplands of enlightenment!

            In addition to all this, I believe that the Green Party plays the ‘tolerance’ card and yet masks a deep seated and pathological hatred of conservatism and ‘traditional values’. I can foresee a day when this country will be little better than a totalitarian state when anybody who does not agree with the state imposed dogma will be ruthlessly persecuted. The Greens may prove to be part of a trojan horse which looks benign and yet leads us down a path of ‘liberal’ intolerance which doesn’t bear thinking about.

            Ordinary people – most of us anyway – are too busy trying to make our way in this life and put food on the family table to worry too much about things that most Greens would consider important. Yes, there is a conversation to be had about climate change and the state of the environment but most people are more concerned about the availability of jobs, housing, opportunities, the state of the economy etc. We haven’t the time to spare going on silly protests about right-on causes and worrying about such important issues such as whether the terms ‘Mr’ and ‘Mrs’ might cause offence to someone.

            20MPH road limits in Brighton. Whose great idea was that? Why not go a step further and reduce the speed limit to 5MPH and then all traffic can proceed at walking pace and accidents will be eliminated? Even the Greens can’t have failed to notice that virtually no one observes the speed limits (I suspect that their own voters and members don’t.) Since the changes to the speed limits were imposed pollution from cars has actually increased in Brighton.

            I am willing to listen to the Greens and their arguments but the facts remain that for now they are a party with limited appeal (as is UKIP) across the demographic and social spectrum.

            A Green government would probably turn the country into a politically correct dystopia complete with wind farms and 30MPH speed limits on motorways. Time will tell.

          • http://lomokev.com lomokev

            Well said but I would said ‘Intolerance of intolerance is not intolerance’ triple word score or something like that.

          • http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com/ The Sanity Inspector

            A not-so-clever alibi, that doesn’t hide The Anointed’s contempt for the actual populace.

          • moronophobe

            am I the only one to smell some inconsistencies here ??

          • Kenny Fraser

            the knee jerk rightist reactionary types are full of inconsistencies,they are reminiscent of hamsters in a wheel programmed to act in a predictable way.

          • Ricayboy

            Whereas ‘leftist’ types are never reactionary and predictable, eh Kenny?

          • Kenny Fraser

            “leftist” types as the knee jerkers tend to describe thinking people generally look at issues and decide upon a course of action to a situation that does not involve adversity to those who are vulnerable. whereas the vast majority of right-wingers have a “herd instinct” mentality which means they basically believe the literary excrement published in the daily wail or daily torygraph without question.

        • MikeF

          If memory serves me right the councillor in question did not ‘oppose’ gay marriage but simply said that she – I believe it was a woman – could not actively support it. In other words she wanted to exercise a conscientious objection. But that concept – which is fundamental to anything worth describing as democratic freedom – is anethema to a party of authoritarian narcissist zealots, which is what the Greens are.

          • Kenny Fraser

            absolute rubbish,if she does not support it does not mean that she has the right to condemn it. democracy is the will of the MAJORITY and a democratically elected council has the right to choose its course,your dissatisfaction is relevant only at election time,when you have the right to vote for whom you please,then you may give your vote to whatever bigotted ,self flagellating bunch of zealots you choose.lol!

        • Kenny Fraser

          so what? progressive social ideaology is necessary for evolutionary progress,your rightist ideas with their religious adherence to socially regressive ideas would in their truest form condemn individuals to returning to living up trees ,or in holes in the ground ,though upon reflection,i find myself wondering if some do not already do so.

          • Ricayboy

            Do you live in the real world mate? The vast majority of people would probably find your verbose Marxist gibberish utterly meaningless.

          • Kenny Fraser

            spoken like a true rabid rightist tory SHEEP. whats your REAL name? BAAHHHHHSIL?

          • Ricayboy

            I’m not a Tory nor would I consider myself particularly right wing. You’re not as funny or clever as you think you are, anybody can string together sentences full of long words to impress their silly pseudo-socialist mates.

          • Kenny Fraser

            just because your literary and linguistic skills are somewhat compromised does NOT exclude you from commenting as is your democratic right,i welcome such spirited debate.you have YOUR VIEWS i have MINE, B.T.W. there are no more “pseudo socialists” than there are “psuedo rightists” ,you know the type,those who think that by adopting a macho poseurist tough guy image and trying to be seen to be “in control” of all around them,they presume all others should immediately fawn before them,i would use 2 idiots like that as an example ian duncan-smith and michael gove.

          • Ricayboy

            Fair enough Kenny, I like a robust debate as much as the next man and you are entitled to your views.

      • Kenny Fraser

        quite!

    • Gobannian

      I find this comment most offensive. I used to be a student.

      • http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com/ The Sanity Inspector

        Are all students like you were?

        • Fenton!

          I think it’s a game he’s playing. The last time was about finding the comment ‘most offensive’ and he ‘lives in Islington’. Just ignore him.

          • Kenny Fraser

            whats wrong with islington? you could do worse,you could live where many of the b.n.p. live …..in regents park?

        • Kenny Fraser

          i was a model student in fact i was always trying (unsuccessfully mostly) to get off with young models.

      • Fenton!

        Your fishing line has snapped and the fish don’t like your bait. Try another river?

        • Kenny Fraser

          get your skates on and cod off! lol!

    • mr white

      ‘Nothing more than a bunch of students’ is a f@cking stupid thing to say mate. Students come from all social classes, all backgrounds. There is no science, no technology, no law, no civilization, no food in your fridge without people studying, learning, trying to DO something. We need people with the brains to rescue us from this mess- people who grasp life is about more than hanging a St George in the window, learning how to plaster a wall and stuffing bacon down their necks until their heart explodes.

      • Ricayboy

        I was a student myself once with a picture of Che Guevara on my wall, buying Socialist Worker etc. Then I grew up and got a proper job in the real world and my views, which were only half baked anyway, changed. I am all for people with brains trying to do something. My point is that a lot of the Green Party types I’ve met in Brighton seem to be idealistic students who like silly protests and rabble rousers. I’ve yet to meet a working class Green, perhaps because they are deterred by snobbish remarks like yours. Who plasters your wall, collects your rubbish and fixes your car? There is a dignity in all work.

        • Kenny Fraser

          indeed there is and certain political figures in the conservative party would do well to remember that. and they should also remember that people unfortunate enough to be unemployed,or disabled or sick are NOT to be automatically deigned as “scroungers” existing only to drain THEIR pot of dubiously obtained(in many cases) treasury.even more so when a great many of them have never known,nor are likely to ever know the meaning of hard work.

          • Ricayboy

            I agree. We need a system which helps those who are genuinely in need whilst avoiding benefitting those who would abuse it and take advantage of it.

          • Ross Bishop

            In relation to your comment about working class Greens, is the reason that you haven’t met one not purely because most of the working class don’t seem to acknowledge their existence or even think to look at some of the policy that they propose before dismissing them as hippies? Instead they blindly vote Conservative or Labour because it’s a safe vote, despite the fact they’re being rammed in the arse as a result.

            I personally think it’s a good thing that the middle class wants to stand up for a living wage, a renewed rail system and taxes on the rich – all things that would benefit those in the 90% more than any middle class person. I live firmly in the middle class, I’d like to think I’m fairly intelligent, I’ve done well in my education and I can almost certainly live easily in the future under a Conservative or Labour government but yet I choose to vote elsewhere. It’s not just because I think that we need to accelerate green energy production (which will in turn create thousands of jobs for the working class as well as the middle class) but because people deserve better.

            I agree with the remarks about the bullshit experiments that have been played in Brighton, but Brighton has long been a place for Russel Brand “booky-wooky” types. After all it’s the council that’s failing to sort out the bins, not Lucas herself, the figurehead. I haven’t extensively researched it, but most of the candidates for the party have come from everyday fields and are experts in their trade. They haven’t studied politics at a top 5 university and read “How to lie: Extended Edition”.

            I’d sooner take a gamble on a wildcard than spend my democracy on those who care only about lining their own pockets. The Conservative may be able to keep things running, but they have experience and have had the benefit of developing through much, much more primitive times than the deep end that the Greens are heading for, don’t even get me started on Labour, they can’t and never will be able to manage an economy and the left roots are long, long gone.

            The Greens aren’t going to get a lot of seats at the next election, but I hope to see more seats claimed and with experience, lessons can be learned and a better rounded party for the future can be formed; a party that stands for the people.

            And if you spoil your vote please royally fuck off, not voting at all is spitting in the face of the freedom we are lucky enough to be granted. It’s actually worse than voting for UKIP… I still can’t believe anyone can take them seriously. They’d be useless in practice and their policies are horrible!

          • Ricayboy

            I think that we’d disagree on many things but I do appreciate your articulate post and I think you speak a lot of sense. I don’t really know what UKIP policies you dislike so much though. Do you think that being unable to manage our borders and surrendering our national sovereignty to the EU is good for democracy?

            I would be willing to listen to Green arguments if they weren’t all these right-on, plummy types who probably don’t understand what it’s like to be on a low income and work in manual occupations. I agree with you about Labour and the Tories by the way.

            I’ve no intention of spoiling my ballot paper either.

        • Kenny Fraser

          i would suggest that your initial instincts were correct,and that your current perception of moral and social conditions has become clouded by an impression of “advancement” perceived mainly by monetarist euphoria which is of course understandable, we all can be tempted by the “dark side” that is how their masters ensnare you,and bind you to their will,the first and lasting form of enslavement being “the mortgage” or the “rent”,then the “council tax”,then the automobile etc etc etc,till you find you are totally trapped in their web of consumer desirables.and DEBT!

    • John Smith

      Do you get out much ? Is this where all the bitter and twisted right wing nazis vent their spleen ? I must admit the world will be a far better place when you are all dead !

      • Ricayboy

        John: I hestitated when considering whether to reply to you because it’s possible that you are suffering from some kind of depression or mental condition and I don’t want to sound patronising. But listen, you’ve contributed nothing to this debate except vitriol and abuse. Don’t you see how ironic it is that you label other people ‘nazis’ (sic) and then wish that all your opponents were dead? Maybe you would advocate speeding up the process and sending them to the execution squad?

        I think that you should be more careful using words like ‘Nazi’. It’s petulant and does your argument (such as it is) no favours whatsoever. You come across an an inarticulate, ranting fool who has just thrown his toy out of his pram. I’m sorry to say this but it’s true.

        I don’t know what ‘getting out’ has to do with anything but I suspect that I get out as much as you do if not more. I’ve worked in several countries and speak three languages. I have run a youth club for kids in inner-city London. I spend a lot of time on community projects and have friends from many different backgrounds. I get out quite a bit as it happens.

        If you want to be respected as an adult you’ll need to learn to be more mature and form proper arguments, not just fire off abusive and inaccurate tirades.

        Fair enough?

      • Kenny Fraser

        i would not wish such upon him john,though i appreciate your feelings,i feel sure that if you step back,count up to 10….no make that 60!! you will have let your natural reasoning prevail.after all,you dont REALLY know each other,you might even end up having a beer together at the same pub,and find despite your perceived differences you get on o.k. with each other,you’de be surprised sometimes.

        • Ricayboy

          Well said Kenny. It’s good to be able to diagree but still respect each other.

  • Kaschner

    It’s always revealing when a columnist finds it necessary to ‘explain’ his opinions. Even more interesting when it’s really a case of ‘explaining away’. The sheer nastiness of Mr Parris’s de haut en bas dismissal of all who have the balls to disagree with him is evident when he feels it necessary to drag in references to the Nazis. And the Nazis – and the Nazis – and the Nazis . . .

    Hammering away at it in this obsessive way suggests he is talking to himself, not to his readers. One wishes him well in his enterprise but it is somewhat embarrassing to be invited to listen to this weird dialogue.

    I’m not sure who said something along the lines of “a period of silence would be appreciated” but I think that’s the way I (and possibly others) feel about this particular columnist.

    • Kaschner

      Apologies for this misplaced comment. Put it down to ‘finger trouble’.

      • Kingstonian

        Amazing! You posted a comment on the wrong blog that had nothing to do with the subject matter and you got 5 upticks! Do people actually vote without reading the blog before the comments?
        And then you got 3 upticks for you apology – wtf?

        • Airey Belvoir

          Possible people had also read Parris, and were intelligent enough to see that this post referred to that article, even if misplaced.

          • JohnRedLantern

            No, they are just stupid.

  • John Carins

    UKIP is not a revolt of the natives against newcomers. UKIP is partly a revolt against this sort of PC eco experiment. UKIP’s credentials in resisting this are far better than the husky loving Cameron/Conservatives. UKIP stands for a country that makes its own laws on a common sense basis and that includes “newcomers”.. .

    • you_kid

      We need to hear from the Rotherham apologists, and most notably from the supposed anti-Rotherham apologists who keep bleating their repetitive diatribe on these very pages, what they make of this little Greenie beauty which took me 0.00015msec to find on Google:

      Media Sexism: the view from Brighton and Hove
      http://www.carolinelucas.com/Caroline/Media%20Sexism%20Report,%20PDF.pdf

      (sorry speccie teens, duplicating articles and deleting perfectly sane comments on the first fully congruent article will not do. naughty naughty)

      • Kenny Fraser

        think its you who wants to bend over a la public school old boy

    • Knobber

      UKIP would do nothing for Brighton. With most of its leaders being public school boys, formally working in finance, they’re completely the opposite of what Brighton needs. That and Brighton is know for being tolerance and the UKIP represents intolerance.

      • Ricayboy

        No it doesn’t represent intolerance. Why should anybody tolerate things which are bad for the country?

        • Barry Scarfe

          It does in respect of gay CIVIL marriages. UKIP should really have been ALL IN FAVOUR of gay CIVIL marriages seeing as they are supposedly a LIBERTARIAN party. After all, allowing everyone regardless of their sexual orientation to obtain a CIVIL marriage is probably the most libertarian thing any government can do.

          • Brogan75

            Gay marriage represents 0,00000001% of the problem of this world, deal with it.

          • Barry Scarfe

            I presume you are against gay marriage so why make such a fuss over the TINY percentage of humans who will obtain a gay CIVIL marriage then? Some people are gay or bisexual, DEAL WITH IT!

          • Brogan75

            I don’t care if you are gay bi trisexual or whatever (have you finally found a final acronym for LGBT or have you added some more letters?); You said UKIP is intolerance bc is against gay marriage. As it represents a very small issue for this world, deal with the fact that NOBODY cares except that tiny minority. You make a fuss over nothing.

          • Barry Scarfe

            David Cameron and most ministers in his government are not a part of this “tiny minority” but they cared enough to make gay civil marriage legal because the state SHOULD afford opportunities to all its citizens in this regard and people SHOULD be equal under the law of the land even if their sexual orientation is that of a minority such as gays and bisexuals.. I would say people’s CIVIL RIGHT to have a CIVIL marriage recongised by the state may well be a “fuss over nothing” if you are not part of that minority but I wonder how many civil rights we would have today if the majority hadn’t “made a fuss over nothing”. Indeed, we might not even have the CIVIL RIGHT to vote. No doubt UKIP-like characters in the 19th century were also thinking that those aristocrats who already had the right to vote but wanted to extend it to ordinary people were also “making a fuss over nothing” and wanted to stop this extension of CIVIL RIGHTS.

          • Barry Scarfe

            No, there aren’t any more letters to add. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender are enough. Who knows even UKIPPers might get the hang of it one day?!

        • Knobber

          Apparently it does. Did you not listen to that horrific song? The ‘in or out’ to the EU without discussion over agreements with them? You understand leaving the free market would do terrible things to the economy, to a scale which you could barely comprehend?

        • Kenny Fraser

          only “bad” in your bigotted ,jaundiced and warped opinion.

          • Ricayboy

            Come on Kenny, you’re a bigot too aren’t you. Let’s be honest, you are just as closed-minded albeit in your own way.

          • Kenny Fraser

            my own way involves my basic moral upbringing to protect the weak,the sick,the disabled and the vulnerable from those who would treat them as disposable commodities.

          • Ricayboy

            I wouldn’t disagree with you about any of that but I’ll bet you make exceptions. Without wanting to awaken a massive debate, what is your view on protecting the rights of vulnerable unborn children not to have their lives terminated in their mothers’ wombs?

            Left-leaning people can be awfully morally superior and sanctimonious but they often have appalling double standards. I’m not saying that you’re like this of course.

          • Kenny Fraser

            in my own opinion which i have from my understanding of life cycles of individuals gained from my studies of many beliefs i am of the opinion that the soul is never fully aware until it has achieved final development prior to birth in the case of simian bipeds,which of course includes homo-sapiens.therefore i am in concurrence with the accepted and existing laws of the u.k. on this subject. i must stress however that is MY opinion,and in pregnancy,i would respect the decision of the pregnant female,even if it was emotionally distressful to myself at the time. i was fortunate to have 2 healthy kids whom i adore,and someone who,although finding it difficult found the strength to cope. however,not everybody can be expected to cruise through life without a hitch,and even today for example a single mother could find things VERY difficult,especially with sensationalist media sources finding them an easy target to carp about,and band-wagon jumping politico’s braying on about them being a drain on society etc,while conveniently ignoring their own fasified expenses claims drain on the public purse.

      • Barry Scarfe

        They represent ultra-Thatcherite globalist Toryism if they can be said to have any coherent political philosophy. I have no doubt this is the main reason why they cut into the Tory vote a great deal more than they do with regard to the Labour one and why they have so far failed to gain a Labour MP defecting to them or to win a Labour-held seat in parliament.

      • Brogan75

        If Brighton gets all lefties from London and the UK, I’m ok with it. Create your own Utopia world. Get some “newcomers” too. Maybe from Tower Hamlets?

        • Knobber

          I’d take some Lefties obsessed with recycling over a bunch of extreme right wing nutjobs like UKIP.

          • Ricayboy

            If you think that UKIP is extreme right wing then you must be extremely left wing yourself. The cartoonish caricature of UKIP as a bunch of raving fascists is simply untrue. I’ve met quite a few UKIP types who are decent, hard working people.

          • Knobber

            You only have to read the comments from UKIP members to realise how extreme they are, then contrast and compare with the 1930’s. Some may be hard working and outwardly great people however the ones I know (my inlaws) are also rampant racists and wish to deport everyone. Even when I tell them I’d directly lose my job if we left the EU they don’t care because anecdotes win over facts.

          • Ricayboy

            Knobber – fair points. The trouble is the word ‘racist’ has been used too much and wrongly. In my opinion a kind of McCarthy’s witchunt is going on to weed our racists and anyone who raises any doubts or concerns about immigration/national identity etc is immediately jumped on and stigmatised.

            I am a UKIP supporter but I don’t agree with everything they say. My wife is from a non-EU country and I have no problem with limited immigration whatsoever. I am concerned about the rise of political correctness and where it may all lead, as well as the rise of radical Islam. In my opinion both of these are far more likely to lead to a fascist-style society than any ‘far-right’ movement.

            In any case, antagonising ordinary patriots and demonising paptriotic sentiment doesn’t work. It just drives people towards more extreme views.

            I am glad that you have a job because of the EU. I know a fair few young people whose potential jobs/homes have all been taken by EU migrants. Because of our woeful education system these youngsters can’t compete with their EU counterparts. They don’t speak foreign languages so they can’t move to Poland or Spain and work there.

            The EU is a monster which could lead to a system far worse than the USSR. The Soviet Union provided jobs and a certain kind of stability but it was a totalitarian society which oppressed dissidents. Are we heading for a similar in Europe? Look around you.

          • Kenny Fraser

            whether they are all rabid right wing nutjobs is debateable,however, the various intellectual “gems” uttered by senior figures of the party,such as blaming national flooding on homosexual relationships,merely confirms the belief that far from being government material,they are in fact the true heirs to the former position occupied by the monster raving loony party.

          • Ricayboy

            I believe that the comment about the floods being caused by God was denounced by the party. But hey, I personally find a party whose members say what they really think rather than just producing carefully-crafted, spin-doctored shibboleths quite refreshing.

            UKIP are not government material and for that reason it is just as well that they have no chance of forming a government in the near futire. At least we agree on something! However, because a particular party is not ready at present doesn’t mean it never will be and it doesn’t mean that we have to go on voting for the three main parties who are the source of so much apathy over politics, Instead of focusing on a few cranks who – let’s face it – surface in every sphere of life (I’m sure the Greens have a few too) let’s consider the views and policies of the majority of UKIP’s members, most of whom are sensible and respectable people who just want the best for their country and communities.

            UKIP is an easy target for the media who seize upon every little misplaced comment or injudicious remark by a party member because it is entertaining and because it panders to what their lefty/Tory readers want to hear.

            UKIP is a relatively young party and it is no surprise that it has a few teething problems along the way.

          • Barry Scarfe

            It might well have been but there are still quite a few homophobes and biphobes in the party although they are often quite careful about expressing those sentiments.

        • Kenny Fraser

          as far as a morally aware and civilised attitude in society goes i would far rather be “LEFTIE” anyday,rather than a rabid,raving,rancid minded rightist,worshipping the only true god for them,their bank accounts.

      • MenAreLikeWine

        I take it you haven’t seen the deputy leader of UKIP? Paul Nuttall comes from a working class background in Liverpool.

        • Knobber

          Token working class guy. Doesn’t change the fact that most of the rest of them used to work in the City. I’d like to see Farage’s tax returns.

          • MenAreLikeWine

            Rubbish. Just take a look at their elected MEPs

            http://www.ukipmeps.org/mypage_5_UKIP-MEPs.html

            Nigel Farage – Public school educated ex trader (Farage is not UKIP – he is just the leader of the party)

            Paul Nuttal – Working class from Liverpool

            Stuart Agnew – Farmer from Norfolk

            Tim Aker – Nottingham graduate and formerly involved with the Tax Payers Alliance

            Jonathan Arnott – Maths teacher

            Janice Atkinson – Ran a marketing business

            Amjad Bashir – Small business owner in Bradford…

            Check out the rest of them and you will see similar backgrounds. You will struggle to find UKIP politicians who adhere to the stereotypes you have described.

          • Knobber

            Who is there first MP?

          • Kenny Fraser

            so would the inland revenue probably.

        • Kenny Fraser

          and is that supposed to actually mean anything relevant? that does not guarantee the individual possesses an awareness of social conditions,any more than coming from a wealthy and land-owning background necessarily precludes one from being socialist.

      • Kenny Fraser

        you forgot failed stockbrokers,failed actors and t.v. pundits.,and defectors from the tories and presumably the monster raving loony party too judging by some of the crackpot comments they have been making. eg. the floods in england are a result of homsexual behaviour???? come again? lol!

    • Matt

      lol, the day UKIP get voted in in brighton would be the same day pigs fly

      • Brogan75

        which is basically what Cameron said 2 yrs ago, and now he is changing his pants every hour

        • Kenny Fraser

          you mean he get through 168 pairs of underpants in a week? even HE cant be THAT full of sh*t!!!! lol!
          and what about the REST of his cabinet? would that apply to THEM too? i mean i know the goverment is PANTS,but that would be mind-boggling.

    • Kenny Fraser

      ukip are basically a bunch of opportunistic media bandwagon jumpers,fronted by a failed stockbroker,and failed actors and t.v. pundits,and a collection of ex monster raving loony party members judging from the rediculously stupid comments from some of its “candidates”

      • Barry Scarfe

        I think that is a fairly good summing-up of what UKIP is. Whilst many are very disenchanted with the ‘choice’ offered by Labour, Lib Dem and Tory, UKIP really isn’t the answer. I only agree with them about the EU issue but it is a massively flawed party and I would say its embrace (to an even higher degree than the Tories) of economic globalism is by far its worst. There is no doubt in my mind that if if were not for the media constantly giving them mostly good publicity they would have advanced a lot less than they have done so. I bet Tory newspapers like the Daily Express now wish they had promoted the BNP instead as at least if they had done so (as the BNP used to take the votes of the more Labour-inclined sections of the electorate) then the Tories may have had a chance (albeit a very slim one) of winning the next election. David Cameron should phone-up the Daily Express’s editor and ask him to kindly refrain from giving UKIP publicity all the time.

        • Kenny Fraser

          i must inform you barry,i am no fan of the tory party,at least not since the “long knives” were employed by the hatchet face gorgon’s creatures upon the last of the “gentlemen conservatives”,and co-operative minded intelligent individuals were replacred by avaricious money-grabbing,soulless parasites,and monetarist morons.as for the B.N.P., i would prefer the company of rattus norvegicus ,a far more endearing form of vermin.

      • Ricayboy

        The Greens are largely a bunch of upper-middle class twits, pontificating about multiculturalism from the comfort of their million pound Clapham townhouses. Their numbers include a number of brainwashed students, eco-activitists and professional ‘protestors’ who never actually do a day’s work in their lives. Harsh but true?

      • Ricayboy

        You try and start a new party from scratch and see how easy it is. You would have exactly the same teething problems. UKIP are to be admired for coming so far in so short a time.

        • Kenny Fraser

          it would need a decent figurehead,youngish,intelligent,and charismatic to the impressionable unaligned voters,and identifiable by a true non-polarised socialist ideal. i would say only one name really might work. OWEN JONES. the guy is brilliant knocks spots of the opponents in debate,and has very sound and workable ideas. give him a listen if,as you say you are,are not right-wing or tory.

    • Kenny Fraser

      hmmm! i wonder why the “flash harry theme” from the original st trinians movies seems to come to mind whenever i see fartage on t.v.?

    • Kenny Fraser

      what was that ringing noise old boy,did fartage and co pull your leg?

  • BHA1

    Errrr……….besides all the other rubbish in this ridiculous article Stanley doesn’t seem to realise that Brighton has two MPs or that the Green-led administration covers the city of Brighton AND Hove – shockingly sloppy writing full of vitriol but lacking in any real analysis or depth!!

    • Kingstonian

      And how does the fact that Brighton has two MPs negate the article exactly? And does the fact that Hove is blighted along with Brighton somehow lessen the impact that the South Coast Watermelons have had?

      • BHA1

        The whole article is riddled with factual inaccuracies and half-truths!

        • goatmince

          I loved the bit about binmen. I recall that I personally thought when they went on strike that this was the end, Britain was finished, Brighton kickstarted a decline that could not be halted, England would end up like Greece with a mansion tax, queues at food banks and reduced healthcare.

          How wrong I turned out to be …

          • BHA1

            I loved the bit where he says no properties in the town are over 3 storeys high! I ride my bike to work along B&H seafront every morning and I can assure him that there is not a property on that route anywhere near the i360 that is under FIVE storeys high but, hey, this is The Spectator so it MUST be true LOL!

          • goatmince

            I love how he exclaims that Brighton was now the ‘new’ Islington. How old is the author? Five? Has he never lived, never mind in England but the real world?

          • BHA1

            I rarely read The Spectator but if this is typical of its content I wont be rushing to subscribe!!

          • Shinsei1967

            Indeed, the Grand Hotel, Brighton (which I suspect most Spectator readers are sadly aware of) is 9 storeys high.

    • Airey Belvoir

      “Hove actually.’

  • George Choy

    After the Berlin Wall fell along with old Soviet Union, the Left needed a hole to felch from, anti-zionism was one, climate change another and Dhimmitude another on top of those. The Green party has managed to felch all three of these orifices. The Greens are the old Left with a vegan diet.

    • goatmince

      Ha ha ha – brilliant … and all Vietcong are veggies/vegan and therefore Green?

      • Kenny Fraser

        obviously you possess caprine intellectual capacity too.

    • WimsThePhoenix

      Don’t forget “saturated fats will give you heart disease” when in fact it is essential for a healthy diet.

      • Christy Greenwood

        They will give you heart disease if you have too much! They are one of the leading causes of heart disease!

        • Fenton!

          Another one that has bought the commercial of the past 40 years…. If you want to avoid heart disease, cool it on the sugar, pasta, bread and potatoes.

          • Christy Greenwood

            It raises LDL cholesterol which gets blocked in your veins and arteries and causes infarct
            if you would like to read up on the subject here are a couple of studies that I think you may find interesting:
            outlining that an increased saturated fat intake produces a higher LDL production: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9101427/
            This one gives you an overview as to how LDL cholesterol causes myocardial infarcts: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/resources/heart/heart-cholesterol-hbc-what-html.htm

          • Fenton!

            But does it? That’s been a big, very simplistic, assumption, related to the ‘fat makes you fat’ idea — that consumption of foods with cholesterol raises your body’s own cholesterol. The evidence has apparently never been strong and it has come under attack. There is also more than LDL involved: the real problem is VLDL, which people almost never hear about. They also don’t understand that cholesterol is normal and natural and essential for good health. Consequently they avoid eating eggs or just eat the whites, which means they’re missing out on this high-quality protein and the disease-preventing benefits of whole eggs.

          • Christy Greenwood

            Yes it does there has been many peer reviewed studies on the subject most of which all say the same thing that saturated fats increase LDL. And if it says anything different it is usually disproven due to bad testing. VLDL is bad too and essentially performs the same action however the reason we don’t hear as much about it is that there are no reliable tests to get your VLDL levels as of yet. Yes there is definitely a bad culture around diet which is not helped by the media at all.

          • Fenton!

            Well that’s a good point — that a lot of what people are taught to obsess about involves things that we have quick and easy doctor-operated tests for. What gets ignored (like VLDL, the one thing that people really ought to be concerned about) are the things we don’t have easy or reliable tests for. People are told simplistic stories about nutrition and they bow to these simplifications as if they were holy writ!

          • Christy Greenwood

            People should be very worried about LDL. VLDL is bad but only provides the building blocks of cholesterol buildup. LDL causes the actual blockages and people still aren’t listening to the advice of doctors. e.g. obesity levels continuing to rise in America despite many public health campaigns.

          • Fenton!

            Yes but that’s my whole point, Christy: obesity levels continu[e] to rise in America despite many public health campaigns. That ought to alert us all to the fact that there is a problem with the campaigns! We’ve been told to eat low-fat food, avoid red meats, bulk up on fruit (fructose+sucrose), high-carb veg (no one is taught the difference), and GRAINS. People have been taking the official advice, including the admonition to exercise, which they do — and still they get fat! What does that tell you? Simple. The advice has been diametrically opposite of what it should have been, and the reason is that the medical establishment fell hook, line, and sinker for Ancel Keys.

          • Bob Gunter

            Christy everything Guest has said is nailed on. The truth is slowly coming out to mainstream media. Do me a favour, find out who commissioned all the data that YOU state supports the Cholesterol lie. Then remember just how sure you were that you were 100% correct and all the evidence was on your side. For you are so so wrong it is scary. LDL and VLDL aren’t even fats, they are proteins which carry essential amino acids around the body. Arterial plaques are simply repairs to the arterial wall, don’t you want damaged arterial walls repaired by the body? Do you know what the alternative is? Why don’t these bad things you mention deposit plaques on low pressure vein walls? Do lots more research and then you might be able to free yourself from the matrix.

          • Kenny Fraser

            you only have to look at the typical fast food heavy diet in the u.s.a. and see the myriad of bouncing blubbery “jelly babies” in evidence,to confirm what effect theat diet has on people.

          • easynow

            What else is there to eat!?

          • little islander

            Whole eggs. Cheap and disease fighting. Taiwanese lady doctor advised against eating only whites.

    • Kenny Fraser

      and you sir,are a total right-wing fruitcake,a typical ineffectual rabidly slavering and yapping pekinese chasing its own taill in a continued exercise of boundless stupidity

      • John Smith

        You flatter him Kenny, you are far to generous !

        • Kenny Fraser

          i know, but you have to feel an element of sympathy for intellectual lightweights and impressionable simpletons,its part of being civilised so i’m told.

      • Birdinggooner

        You are right – though being ‘PC’ I would (of course) baulk at calling him a ‘yapping Pekinese’!

      • George Choy

        I’m not from Peking.

    • Kenny Fraser

      do you live in a field? one has to wonder with the copious amounts of bovine excrement contained in your post.

    • Kenny Fraser

      simplistic fantasy old boy,obviously you have been dredging some rightist toilet rolls for “inspiration”

      • George Choy

        Kenny, old comrade, the fall of the Soviet Union represented the death of economic and political Marxism, now we are witnessing the death of cultural Marxism. You have to move with the times. I used to be a left fruitcake like you (ex-SWP) but reality overcomes the theory. I have an arab say for you “the flood of truth overcomes the logjam of political correctness”.

  • trace9

    Then why move there; is the rest of the country still worse? Or some interior agenda..

  • Garmin

    I think Caroline Lucas is a great politician – engaged, hard-working and willing to stand up for her beliefs. The local council, however, is a completely different matter and is nowhere near as competent. It’s a shame that the article didn’t differentiate between local and national politics.

    • Calmeilles

      It didn’t want to. This is aimed directly at Ms Lucas and next May’s election.

    • Owi Wowi

      Is ‘hard-working and willing to stand up for her beliefs’ code for only interested in her own agenda. The woman is a mouthpiece of idiotic unfounded sentiment. She recently dragged her Green minions from Brighton to harass the good people of Balcombe over the proposed fracking, pretending to be locals – they never voted for the misguided cow, leave them alone.

      The recycling point in the article is spot-on. When they got voted in I expected a special bin for everything – there are communal bins all over the city (especially the prettier parts) so you can just chuck any old crap in there and there are no consequences.

      They have also had a war on the car – I was not permitted to park in my own street between the hours of 9 and 6 so I used to have to drive to work and back every day, even though it was easier to walk, just so I could avoid a daily fine.

      • Airey Belvoir

        Lucas also dragged her son along, to be arrested with her. Shameless grandstanding by a woman who indulges in hypocrisy avery time she gets in a car or switches a light on.

        • BHA1

          Shameful clichéd bull!!!

      • Matt

        The same thing happened to me, so I started parking my car in a nearby street and continued with my life. Why would that possibly mean that you have to drive to and from work every day?

        • Owi Wowi

          OK, so if you look at the central Brighton it is no-park or 1 year waiting list resident parking. If you live in a no-park zone then you are not eligible for a residents permit in a nearby zone. The nearest area with no parking restrictions is Hanover, near to where I worked, and 15 minutes from where I lived. Unsurprizingly I wanted and needed to use my car (which is why I bought it) so a 30 minute round trip to do so every day was more of a burden than shuttling it back and forth every day – it allowed me to continue with my life.

          • BHA1

            And that’s all the Greens fault??!!
            Who introduced controlled parking zones and then continued the roll-out across the city – Tories and Labour! Yes the Greens are continuing with this – but where is the opposition to further CPZ’s from the Tories or Labour?! There is no opposition because they AGREE with it – so where does that leave your argument with the Greens about parking issues?!!

          • Owi Wowi

            Labour did give me a residential parking permit for the nearby residential zone, the greens would not. Half the large town houses in my street had garages so they were sitting pretty but those of us living in smaller cheaper accomodation had unreasonable parking costs forced on us so we could meet the Green’s anti-car agenda. Do you not see the queues of cars coming in and out of the city every weekend while the Greens convert 2 lane roads into 1 lane roads. Out-of-town customers will only put up with this a few times before they head off to Tunbridge Wells or Worthing and take their business with them. Anti-car as I said, plus anti-business to boot.

          • BHA1

            Are you really so naive and out of touch that you are blaming the Greens?!!! A23/London Road bus lane was installed by Labour or Tories (can’t remember which but no opposition from the other party!!)! A259 coast road – ditto!!! Where is the vociferous Labour/ Tory opposition to Lewes Road bus lanes?! To the Vogue Gyratory improvements?! To Edward Street or the Queen Road improvements?! Tell me?! Because they’ve raised barely a word against these projects because all-in- all they are for them but are happy for the Greens to take the flack from people like you who seem unable to think for themselves!!

          • Owi Wowi

            Let me show you how you sound : Huff Puff … So Naive … Huff Puff … in your world … Huff Puff …generalised statement about other people based on little or no interaction with that person … huff puff … everyone else is so cliched except me who is a genuinely original thinker … huff puff … it must be true … huff puff … everyone else is immediately responsible as soon as they take charge but the greens for some reason need to bed in for 10 years before any criticism of their tenure is justified .. and it was everyone else before that’s fault … no-one complained so they are to blame … no in-depth analysis ( that supports my skewed lefty world view) wah wah wah

        • WimsThePhoenix

          Maybe he didn’t have a “nearby street” with fewer restrictions, dummy.

      • BHA1

        Perhaps you missed the fact that a good many residents of Balcombe were against fracking too – but then in your world I guess you expect women to stay at home and just keep house!

        • Owi Wowi

          What a bizarre reaction!! are women only criticised by men that think they should stay at home? It’s not her radical feminism I was criticising.

          … and yeah there were some Balcombers but it was massively out-of-town aging hippy parasites that no doubt suck up petrol for the school run and electric for their panini machines but seem to see some bizarre moral difference between oil sucked up in Saudi Arabia and down the road – despite the energy saved in shipping it half way around the world.

    • Si

      The problem is that most of the people living here do not want the Greens in power (aside from the Uni students that only have to spend a few years in the mess they vote for), I for one having lived in Brighton all of my life find myself wanting to leave as this is no longer the town I grew up in and loved. I am personally quite happy spending my money elsewhere and avoiding the city like the plague whenever possible due to the farcical infrastructure now in place (probably burning more CO2 in the process so the opposite effect the Greens allegedly strive for). Driving in town at 20 mph costs me about 10mpg extra, so not exactly green and the extortionate bus fares do not help to incent people to venture into town by other means – unless you like cycling in the rain!

    • Swanky

      engaged, hard-working and willing to stand up for her beliefs
      So was Hitler.

  • The Laughing Cavalier

    In Sussex we now call it ‘Skid Row-on-Sea’.

    • BHA1

      Who would have thought we would see historical revisionism on The Spectator website?!! As anyone who follows the local political scene knows full well Brighton was known as that under the last LABOUR administration!!!

  • Ben

    I have lived in Brighton for 20+ years and it is entirely true to say the Greens have wrecked it, in their short term. It’s really quite a horrid place now, totally unfit to live in, more an experiment in a test-tube for the Greens to practise on, hoping for a power they will never have, now that the rest of the country has seen what a shocking mess they have made here. We are something of a laughing stock amongst our friends from other areas of the UK.

    Needless to say, we are moving somewhere more decent next year.

    • Alison Swann

      Evidence?

    • Knobber

      It’s a horrid place because most of the people who were born there cannot afford a place so have moved out. Local wages are generally fair but house prices and rent are ludicrous. In place you have over paid people from the ‘city’ buying second homes. Add to that property ‘developers’ who buy to rent – kicking the tenant out every 6 months – and you end up with a place devoid of what made it popular in the first place. Brighton was nice in the 80’s and 90’s, it was a fantastic place to grow up. Then London arrived.

      Yes, I’m a bitter Brightonian by birth who can’t afford to live in a town his family has lived in for centuries.

      • Shinsei1967

        Surely all the people who were born in Brighton but can’t afford to live there now have parents who made a killing out of selling their family home to a London banker ?

        • Knobber

          In some cases that is true. Unfortunately the boom happened in the last 30 years so many are still waiting for said parents to pass along some of this wealth.

      • Box of Frogs

        Another reason you may find it has high house prices, is that it seems to be very popular with homosexuals, who predominantly have no children. And so you have proportionately more DINKYs with more disposable income able to push up prices.

    • BHA1

      Ben – explain to us all EXACTLY how the Greens have ‘wrecked‘ Brighton?!
      Come on you will get the email through seeing me ask this question – so, instead of some half-baked generalised tosh, explain to us EXACTLY how they’ve done this?!!

    • Michael Henehan

      I agree 100%- totally unfit to live. I mean, no one could live there. It’s become not unlike the surface of Mars, or even Jupiter, since the Greens took over.

      It really is quite a wonder, given it being so uninhabitable, that so many people want to buy houses and move there, isn’t it? The mind boggles.

    • BHA1

      Ben – I’m still waiting to hear how you think the Greens have wrecked Brighton?! Show some balls and tell us ffs!!

    • Terry Field

      It was always seedy, but now it is mouldy as well.

  • nikki fenlon

    After leaving Brighton in May after 16 years residency, I can honestly say it was the best thing I have done. It is a pleasure to be able to now drive around town without fear of driving too fast (20+) and not being robbed at carparks and parking meters, and yes I am still able to support local shops etc and that is because I am able to park outside them, the roads are dug-up/re-surfaced at night and everyone is able to go about their daily business without the fear of picking up a parking/speeding fine. I have 3 different bins that are emptied weekly or fortnightly and are never over full, no over subscribed secondary schools. I don’t have the abundance ofcosmopolitan bars and restaurants to visit, but I have already located 2/3 that I do enjoy….oh and I am 49 not79 and love………….Eastbourne x x x

    • Shenandoah

      Let’s hear it for Eastbourne!

    • BHA1

      Funniest thing I’ve read on here – they dig up and re-surface the roads AT NIGHT in Eastbourne? !! Of course they do love – total and utter BS! THE blue rinse brigade would be up in arms! How are over-subscribed schools the Greens fault?! Not enough current places smacks of a lack of previous long term planning! And as for 20mph perhaps it’s escaped your notice that these are being introduced by councils of all hues not just across the UK but Europe too!!

    • Matt

      If you are so concerned about the price and pace of Brighton then no, you probably shouldn’t be living there. A lot of people are happy to live with these restrictions. Public transport is great, you don’t need to be driving about getting speeding tickets and parking fines.

  • Caroline Farrow

    Otherwise agree Tim, but cheap houses? In Brighton? It’s up there with London prices and has been since about 1996!

    • Owi Wowi

      Yes but Londoners get paid more than Brightonians so it is all relative.

    • Alison Swann

      Brighton house prices = same as London, Brighton wages = way below London. People don’t move to Brighton for ‘cheap house prices’ unless they are moving from Mayfair.

  • Michael Henehan

    Horrendously biased article that neglects to mention the poor state of the city in the 80s and 90s under the Conservatives and (to a lesser extent) Labour. Brighton was a pretty rough place- that alcoholic that used to live in that house? What do you think contributed to his or her downfall? Anything to do with Thatcher’s Britain?
    And how about if you don’t identify as a Mr or a Mrs? Would you appreciate the patronising tone of this article towards your gender? Does this person have the right to sneer at someone? What’s wrong with being inclusive? Does it harm you, Mr. Stanley?
    Brighton is a wonderful place to live, because it has a warm, open-minded and tolerant populace. I would suggest that you have moved to the wrong town, Mr. Stanley- I don’t think it’s for you.

    • Fenton!

      My god, you’re Exhibit A of the impractical very irritating people Tim Stanley describes! Hilarious. And the ‘we don’t want your sort’ bullying at the end is precious.

      • Michael Henehan

        Irritating aside (as I’m sure that is something that will always be subjective), the point I was making is that adding a third option has not affected the practicality of the council forms to any extent. Have council tax processing costs skyrocketed, or IT systems crashed? No. So therefore if there is no detrimental effect for the rest of the population, but for the many transgender people who call Brighton home it makes a difference, then why does it matter to me, you, or Mr. Stanley? Why does he find the idea so offensive as to patronise it? The tone is that of sneering at those who don’t conform to societal norms (perhaps not by choice), and sneering at harmless legislation that lessens the weight of normativity that these people face.
        The point at the end was not to bully, but to highlight that the sort of bullying replete in this article is not a very Brighton thing to do.

        I am not transgender, but I see not reason to make nuanced snide comments about laws that help to make them feel accepted as Mr. Stanley does. If supporting doing something that is nice for a few people at no cost to the rest of the populaton is ‘impractical and irritating’ then I will happily accept that title.
        I wish you an open minded and less cynical day, sir.

        • Fenton!

          Not open-minded enough to consider that I’m not a ‘sir’, I’m a ‘madam’. Can you drip just a bit more condescension and po-faced sanctimony, please? The level is very high but the pot ain’t full up.

          • Michael Henehan

            How good of you it was to remind me how wrong it is to incorrectly assign someone’s gender identity. Of course, I should have said:
            “I wish you an open-minded and less cynical day, Mx”

            I have always thought it important to call someone out when they impose their narrow assumptions about gender onto other people, so thanks very much for reminding me. I apologise.

          • Fenton!

            This is great comedy material. The problem is I think you mean it. The fact is, darling, that chromosomes admit of only two sexes. Those are the sexes needed — that’s why we have ’em — to create the next generation. You’re either one or the other. Life can be disappointing. It’s the mark of adulthood to cope with it.

          • Nick Drummer

            According to biologists, gender/sex is determined primarily by the body’s hormone balance and although these correlate most of the time with the XX or XY chromosome split there are approximately 1 in 1000 of the population who are considered ‘intersex’, e.g. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (look it up!) where individuals are XY chromosome (genetically male), but born strongly female in all physical characteristics (i.e. no hormone treatment or surgery).

          • Swanky

            If they don’t have a vagina they’re not female. The other compensations must be done by the mind. As a highly sexed individual living with an asexual, I know for a fact that it can be done and should be done for a balanced life. I also know that the exceptions should not make life a misery for those that live according to the normal pattern. In short, the wellbeing of the vast majority should not be sacrificed because of the oddities of the statistically vanishing few.

          • Nick Drummer

            How does giving the option of ‘Mx’ on a form ‘make life a misery for those that live according to the normal pattern? Also there is an issue of power: Any sort of minority is usually ignored (or even oppressed) by a majority, so active measures are usually necessary ‘for a balanced life’.

          • Brogan75

            yeah so anybody can come up and say “I feel offended because i consider myself a Chair, and not a MR Ms MRs MX or whatever, I demand the option CHR” – who are you to define that as a person and not a chair as he/she (LOL) feels?

          • Damaris Tighe

            Well said.

          • Swanky

            Thanks!

          • easynow

            how is having an extra box to choose from on a form, or learning how to talk to strangers politely, equivalent to ‘sacrificing the wellbeing of the vast majority’?

          • Kenny Fraser

            it could be just a case of a few cuts,and bob’s your AUNTIE!

          • Sharpie

            This is a ridiculous chain. Fenton, I suggest you consider the accusations you’re levelling at MH and try (with as much objectivity as you can muster) to ask how the article and your own comments measure up;”santimonious”… “condescending”… Though you’re right, it’s not the ideal way to have any meaningful exchange of opinion.

          • Swanky

            You get the flak when you’re above the target, Sharpie. Don’t ask other people to be Weather Girls when they’re fighting for civilization!

          • justejudexultionis

            Who the hell wants to reproduce anyway? I mean, what’s the point in reproducing? We were put on the earth for more than mere reproduction.

          • Fenton!

            I don’t know *what* I was put on this Earth for, but I’ll take your word for it.

          • investigator

            “Mere” reproduction.
            You denigrate the most overwhelming and enriching experience that 99.99% of the population will ever know.
            It is the process and experience to which you owe your life.
            Your attitude is evidence that it would be a great crime to allow gay couples to adopt and be responsible for the upbringing of children, as much as they clamor to be allowed this privilege.

          • Tom M

            Neat.

          • Fenton!

            Cheers.

          • Kenny Fraser

            you seem disappointed that only two sexes are identified ,does that mean you have latent hermaphroditic desires? i suppose it could be because you want the best of both worlds?

          • Fenton!

            Eh?

          • WimsThePhoenix

            Pillock.

          • Em

            Takes one to know one I say!!

          • Kenny Fraser

            are you indeed? and what is your establishment named? where is it situated,how many girls work there? and have you declared this on your tax returns?

          • Fenton!

            I do the work of at least two people. Do you think I could get an extra tax break?

      • Shinsei1967

        Whatever the rights or wrongs of MH’s arguments in what way is saying Tim Stanley has chosen the wrong town to live in for his sensibilities in any way “bullying” ?

    • Alex Cella

      Here Here!!! They may not always get it right but at least they think outside of the box! Mistakes are always better than not trying to change anything!

      • Scheveningen

        Don’t you mean Hear! Hear!?

        • Scheveningen

          Wouldn’t it be good if people learned how to spell properly?

          • Alex Cella

            I think what would be better is if people learned kindness and compassion towards each other

        • Alex Cella

          sorry I thought I replied to this. My mistake. Thanks for the correction

      • DanV

        Always ? Really ? What if the thing you’re not trying to change is something that doesn’t actually need changing, and that will actually get worse if you do change it ?

        • Alex Cella

          I suppose that you never know if it is going to be worse or better until you try.

          • DanV

            Well you might not know with certainty – after all, almost nothing is certain – but surely with the use of common sense, previous experience, logic and historical knowledge you can sometimes get a pretty clear idea of whether a change will be for the better or for the worse ? After all, that is pretty much what human intelligence evolved for – making balanced and nuanced assessments of courses of action, and whether or not they will be beneficial. I think if human intelligence had evolved along as simplistic lines as you are suggesting: “change is always good, even if it’s a mistake and you end up worse off” then we probably wouldn’t have made it this far.

    • Matt

      So true. The poor state of affairs that Brighton was in BEFORE greens took over is apparently irrelevant to the author.

    • whs1954

      Brighton people are “warm, open-minded and tolerant” – and if you’re not like us, just piss off!

      • Michael Henehan

        I’m not sure being tolerant means you have to be tolerate intolerance.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          If you REALLY believed that you would be out throwing bacon at the closest mosque.
          We all know you don’t really believe what you said and that you are actually quite tolerant of the “intolerant”, as long as they either think JUST LIKE YOU or at least share the same enemies.

        • vieuxceps2

          Well,yes,being tolerant does of course mean “being tolerant”. It’s not possible to limit tolerance,so we need to become less tolerant or even not tolerant at all. You see,that’s how the intolerant flourish.Just think of Islam,Socialism etc….

          • Kenny Fraser

            fascism? conservatism? nationalism?

          • Brogan75

            at least these do not pretend to be tolerant, like the religion of Peace or you commies.

      • Alex

        You tell her! When you can’t defeat the argument, shoot the messenger 🙂

    • grammarschoolman

      What an intolerant comment.

    • Kenny Fraser

      conservatism is like a wasting disease slowly eating away at living standards,health,education. it is like M.R.S. eating away at healthy society to no obvious benefit other than to itself.

    • Brogan75

      People with gender issues represent the 0,0000000000000000000000001% of this world. Like we should care.

      • easynow

        why do you think that?

  • David Rynn

    If you think Brighton is bad, try living in Edinburgh. Just as bad, if not worse, for constant PC / eco-warrior nonsense designed to rob you of your money and your sanity.

  • Phil Smith

    Ummmmm…. I like Brighton.

    • weejonnie

      The best thing about Brighton is that it is 300 miles away from where I live.

      • BHA1

        Be assured that that’s a relief for us too!!

      • Joel

        The best thing about weejonnie is he is 300 miles away from where I live.

  • Guest

    They are a joke council, led by a man called KitKat, and driven by a self-righteous fervour that leads them to do stupid things. Most people who espouse green views don’t really want to make any substantial changes in their own lives – the Nimby attitude is almost as strong on the Left as it is on the right.
    I am in favour of the wind farm (Rampion) but of course it was the Tory led government that approved it, not the green council.

    • BHA1

      What a ridiculous clichéd post full of irrelevancies and saying nothing about any actual ISSUES!!

  • Richard Eldritch

    From what I’ve seen Brighton is very white,I suggest it needs some diversity. Perhaps a mosque or five.

    • William_Brown

      Splendid idea.

      The tolerance of that particular religion, particularly with regard to diverse viewpoints, is very well known and documented….Should go down very well indeed with the post Islington screachers now residing by the sea.

      Of course, if those places of worship were built, I suspect a mass migration to the Cotswolds would ensue.

    • Ricayboy

      At least a fifth of Brighton’s population was born overseas. It has a huge Spanish population for starters (30,000.) There is also a massive housing shortage in the city. The Greens would have open door immigration if they were in power. That would really help solve the housing shortage.

      • BHA1

        Errrrr……….220,000 a year nett immigration sounds not far off unlimited migration to me dumkopf but yours is a typical attack on the Greens when other parties are already doing it!! 20mph by all other parties? Tick!! Bus lanes by all other parties? Tick!! Immigration? By all other parties? Tick!! And thats just three items you whinge about! And as for 30,000 Spaniards living in B&H well your earlier post left you with minimal credibility but this latest assertion leaves it rolling in the gutter in tatters!! Who would have thought such trolls inhabit The Spectator forums?!

      • BHA1

        Still waiting for a response to your ridiculous ‘30,000 Spaniards’ comment but you are clearly now hiding!

        • Ricayboy

          No, it’s just that I just don’t spend all my time looking at the internet. I heard that there are 30,000 Spanish people in Brighton but I could be wrong. There are certainly a great many. Perhaps you could tell me how many there really are. Chances are you haven’t a clue.

          • BHA1

            Like you I haven’t a clue but if there was 30,000 or 12% we would certainly have seen it referred to in the local press! I live and work in Brighton and Hove and if there was anything like that number they would make their presence felt and the fact is they don’t! I rarely come across Spanish people apart from the language school students – there are more Eastern Europeans and Middle Eastern people here.
            But even your 20% born outside the UK is just another made-up percentage with no data to back it up – or is that something else that you’ve just ‘heard’?!

          • EricHobsbawmtwit

            What’s wrong with Spanish people? I love them. My special lady friend is a Spaniard.

            She’s better looking than Clegg’s wife too.

          • Ricayboy

            Nothing at all, I have Spanish friends. It’s just that Brighton has a finite number of jobs and homes.

          • easynow

            makes a claim, has it refuted, admits it could be wrong, blames the internet. nice

      • Natasha

        No. The Greens would return economic rent on land to the commons – google it

    • Terry Field

      With the attendant council-subsidised bomb-making facility?

  • Alison Swann

    So out of kilter, ill-informed and sexist this is almost laughable.

    Magpie delivered viable food waste solution.

    Rejected because Veolia own the waste. Not the Greens, Reds, Blues ….

    Contract designed for 35% recycling.Fact.

    Communal bins designed for disposal not waste reduction. Fact. Waste disposal becomes more expensive when we produce less. Fact.

    Nothing green here to see . Take your waste elsewhere. Move on and use rights to ask for tax rebate.

    facebook.com/verdiculture

    And here’s my rant:

    You do not know or represent Brighton.

    Brighton has long been a magnet for those with wishing to live a life not contracted by the sheep-like mainstream norms. In choosing to cherry pick activities which seem outlandish – meat free Monday for example, huge worldwide phenomena, that in the last week has 4.2k people discussing it on Facebook in ONE day, shows just how far off the map you are in that which you have chosen to froth and rant about. Brighton in the nineties – town sliding into the sea, beset by homelessness, unemployment and heroin. Brighton now, a city where property prices are through the roof, and not because people are moving from London to Brighton for cheap housing, are you mad?! Or moving from Mayfair? where investors are falling over themselves to build / renovate and expand the market. It still suffers from a massive disparity in wages against house prices, but overall it’s a damn site nicer place. The Level, up til a few years ago a junky cess pit, now a beautifully redeveloped park and community space. London Road Market, OK great in the past for cheap fruit and veg, which it still is, but now a dynamic and cool market.

    • Richard Eldritch

      Exactly. Brighton didn’t even have a Waitrose before it was colonised by sophisticated socialists from London. It was full of horrible white peasants who left to their own devises may have voted UKip!

      • Alison Swann

        Yep, so let the colonization continue!

        • Richard Eldritch

          Well you know these metro liberals Al, they pretend to love their multi culture, but first sign of one actually living next door and they’re off to the white ghettos of Brighton. After all voting progressive is one thing, living it quite another…..

          • William_Brown

            Ouch and Meeow! Nice…

  • Michael Henehan

    Might I also highlight the bin strikes in Southampton that occurred in 2011 under the Conservative-run council? Is this a lesson in why we should never elect the Conservative party? No. Just as cherry picking examples about Brighton is not proof that we shouldn’t ever vote Green. Many towns have had strikes (due to Conservative-led cuts from Westminster). I might also highlight that long-time Tory-held Southampton is a pretty dreadful place to be, with decades of shocking urban planning and poor provision of local services, while Brighton is rather pleasant. More of an abject lesson I would say, no?

  • Matt

    While I agree about the state of recycling in Brighton (absolutely appalling, considering it should be a priority for the green party) I do feel that you are overdramatising the issues. I lived in Brighton for 3 years, and I have to say that I noticed a number of improvements under the green party. Public transportation via bus was dramatically improved by creation of a lot of bus lanes during my time there, increasing the price but providing what I experienced to be a very efficient bus service. I’m currently living in Leeds and the difference in quality of public transportation is dramatic. To reinforce this, parking was restricted on a lot of public roads and the speed limit reduced – all of these things actively discouraging people from driving cars in the city centre, which they have NO REASON TO DO when living in Brighton! Gender neutral toilets and Mx do not affect you personally and complaining about them is just intolerant. Your opening statement about what an estate agent told you about a house you were moving into is entirely irrelevant.

    To the idiots complaining in the comments – if you are not left wing I struggle to understand why on earth you live in Brighton. You are VERY CLEARLY in the wrong place, as well as being greatly outnumbered by people who give actually give a shit about LGBT rights and the environment. Liberalism is such a huge part of living in Brighton that I cannot see why you would pay extortionate amounts of money to live there rather than somewhere else.

    I really fail to see how any of the authors examples are relevant to the competence of the green party as a whole, which was supposedly the point of the article.

    • Terry Field

      A left wing ghetto!
      What an achievement,

  • whs1954

    “The only upside is that they might kill all the gulls — leaving any uncollected rubbish to rot unmolested.”

    Biodegrade unmolested, surely.

    • Terry Field

      Belgrade unmolested.

  • ChrisForen

    Nice assassination piece. No mention here of the fact that Brighton just won two National Transport Awards. No mention that Brighton is European City of the Year for sustainable transport.

    And what exactly is wrong with offshore wind farms. Readers might like to look at the wind farm off Blakeney in Norfolk. It’s so far out that you can hardly see it without binoculars. The benefit of siting wind turbines at sea is that the wind is nearly always blowing there.

    Brighton isn’t the only city that has suffered a refuse collecters’ strike. The one here in Leeds lasted a lot longer.

    And in answer to your commentator’s cliched suggestion that all Greens are middle class: this is bullshit. Here in Leeds we have 3 Green Party councillors. They represent a deprived ward and all three are proud to be called working class.

    The Green Party in Brighton would have had an easier time if Labour had not chosen to side with the Conservatives in opposition. This demonstrates Labour’s lack of commitment to progressive politics.

    Perhaps Mr Stanley should move to Clacton. He might feel more at home. His brand of bigotry would possibly go down well there.

    • Fenton!

      And what exactly is wrong with offshore wind farms. Oh my god. Do you have an hour so I can count the ways?

      This is by Matt Ridley; not the whole article but the key stuff — he writes here about the problems and non-necessity of *land* farms but offshore ones are if anything even worse from several points of view:

      ‘The arguments for wind farms just became obsolete. We’re entering an era when gas will be cheap, plentiful – and green

      Which would you rather have in the view from your house? A thing about the size of a domestic garage, or eight towers twice the height of Nelson’s column with blades noisily thrumming the air? The energy they can produce over ten years is similar: eight wind turbines of 2.5 megawatts (working at about 25 per cent capacity) roughly equal the output of an average Pennsylvania shale gas well (converted to electricity at 50 per cent efficiency) in its first ten years.

      Difficult choice? Let’s make it easier. The gas well can be hidden in a hollow, behind a hedge. The eight windturbines must be on top of hills, because that is where the wind blows, visible for up to 40 miles. And they require the construction of new pylons marching to the towns; the gas well is connected by an underground pipe.

      Unpersuaded? Wind turbines slice thousands of birds of prey in half every year, including white-tailed eagles in Norway, golden eagles in California, wedge-tailed eagles in Tasmania. There’s a video on YouTube of one winging a griffon vulture in Crete. According to a study in Pennsylvania, a wind farm with eight turbines would kill about 200 bats a year. The pressure wave from the passing blade just implodes the little creatures’ lungs. You and I can go to jail for harming bats or eagles; wind companies are immune.

      Still can’t make up your mind? The wind farm requires eight tonnes of an element called neodymium, which is produced only in Inner Mongolia, by boiling ores in acid leaving lakes of radioactive tailings so toxic that no creature goes near them.

      Not convinced? The gas well requires no subsidy — in fact it pays a hefty tax to the government — whereas the wind turbines each cost you a substantial add-on to your electricity bill, part of which goes to the rich landowner whose land they stand on. Wind power costs three times as much as gas-fired power. Make that nine times if the wind farm is offshore. And that’s assuming the cost of decommissioning the wind farm is left to your children — few will last 25 years.

      Decided yet? I forgot to mention something. If you choose the gas well, that’s it, you can have it. If you choose the farm, you are going to need the gas well too. That’s because when the wind does not blow you will need a back-up power station running on something more reliable. But the bloke who builds gas power stations is not happy to build one that only operates when the wind drops, so he’s now demanding a subsidy, too.

      What’s that you say? Gas is running out? Have you not heard the news? It’s not. Until five years ago, gas was the fuel everybody thought would run out first, before oil and coal. America was getting so worried even Alan Greenspan told it to start building gas import terminals, which it did. They are now being mothballed, or turned into export terminals’.

      • Natasha

        Generation 4 nuclear – google it – simultaneously makes your arguments against wind and for gas obsolete.

        • Shenandoah

          No it does not, since wind is still the idiocy of choice for most Leftists. I’m for nuclear; they are not. (I never said I was either ‘for’ or ‘against’ gas, you’re just not bothering to read.) Go and pick on someone else.

          • Natasha

            Guest (formerly Shenandoah) The Left vs Right game is 1) WHY we don’t have Generation 4 nuclear But, since you fail to differentiate between Generation 3 and generation 4 Nuclear, I suspect you don’t know the MASSIVE differences, and are (blindly) for Generation 3 nuclear = VERY VERY BAD, and 2) The Left vs Right game is WHY we have a privatised money supply (historically it hasn’t been e.g. 1844 Bank Charter Act ) that drives the relentless wealth accumulation by the 1% – well known to be very bad for all of us – (i.e. usury = any interest on money) and keeps most of us on the planet ignorant and poor, and 3) the Left vs Right game fails to recognise how destructive private land ownership is: it steals the “economic rent”, which the community creates from most of us and is where the usury from private money goes to further impoverish us. I hope you realise that these issues are outside of the Left vs Right dialogue, supported by an ignorant if not complicit media, in turn both literally owned by corporation, in turn literally owned by banks

          • Natasha
          • EricHobsbawmtwit

            Not available until at least 2030 and presumably the UK won’t be a first adopter here. We got our first adoption out of the way with the original nuclear reactors as they were going to generate energy “too cheap to meter”. Ah well.

          • Fenton!

            Nobody bothered to read that. I sure didn’t.

          • Natasha

            Speak for your self Fenton! You seem to be celebrating wilful ignorance? If so, you should be ashamed, especially setting yourself up here as someone who claims some knowledge and interest in energy policy.

          • Natasha

            Lets get back to DATA…

            Gas, oil, coal – Big Fossil – will all run out in a 100 years or so, burning them screws up Planet Earth, our only home, when there are far better things to do with hydrocarbons, so burning them is, at the very least, a terrible disgusting insult to people not yet born.

            Re-newables have too many bottlenecks, like distribution, maintenance, and finite raw materials, to entirely replace Big Fossil.

            Generation 4 nuclear is fail safe, and it burns Generation 3 waste – and nuclear bombs – as its fuel. Generation 4 waste is safe as background radiation in 300 years.

            There is enough Generation 3 waste in Sellafeild to power the UK with Generation 4 nuclear for 5,000 years.

            Which gives us plenty of time to learn how to filter the Uranium dissolved in sea water that will last all of humanities energy needs for millions of years.

            Generation 4 Nuclear will enable the Hydrogen economy to take off – literally it will power aircraft that only emit water vapour.

            Generation 4 Nuclear will put Big Fossil out of business overnight, that’s why nobody is talking about it.

            Re-newables will flourish in niche applications.

            http://38degrees.uservoice.com/forums/78585-campaign-suggestions/suggestions/3400202-nuclear-waste-can-be-burned-to-provide-all-of-the-

            http://www.theengineer.co.uk/energy-and-environment/in-depth/prism-project-a-proposal-for-the-uks-problem-plutonium/1016276.article

            BTW Guest (formerly Shenandoah) : My response here was to Fenton! but are aimed at offering data for people who stumble across these comments in the future. Plus, you didn’t write anything for me to “not bother to read”. In particular nothing to support your assertion that wind is “idiocy”. I happen to agree, but you haven’t given any data! So sorry you feel picked on, but that’s your choice.

      • ChrisForen

        Would that be the Matt Ridley who crashed Northern Rock?

        If you can hear an offshore wind turbine turning then you must have superhuman hearing.

        Ridley doesn’t seem to say anything about climate change. Gas is still contributing to global warming.

        If you want to read a book about sustainable energy then you might consider Sustainable Energy Without the Hot Air by Prof David Mackay. Unlike Ridley, he is a physicist. The book puts numbers to the difficulties we face. You can read it online for free.

        I’m not saying wind power is 100% of the solution, or anything approaching it. I have no love for wind turbines sited on hilltops. That’s why offshore wind is better (though more expensive) than onshore.

        • Fenton!

          You believe in global warming? I bet you believe it’s man’s fault, too. Well, have a look at this:

          On supposed ‘global warming’ (names are short forms for institutions/universities, and monitoring methods):

          For RSS the warming is NOT significantfor 24 years.
          For RSS: +0.130 +/-0.136 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1990

          For UAH, the warming is NOT significant for 20 years.
          For UAH: 0.143 +/- 0.173 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1994

          For Hadcrut3, the warming is NOT significant for 20 years.
          For Hadcrut3: 0.098 +/- 0.113 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1994

          For Hadcrut4, the warming is NOT significant for 19 years.
          For Hadcrut4: 0.098 +/- 0.111 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1995

          For GISS, the warming is NOT significant for 18 years.
          For GISS: 0.113 +/- 0.122 C/decade at the two sigma level from 1996

          Global warming is a political, scientific and financial scam.

          • easynow

            Mate. The moment he pointed out who Matt Ridley was, your argument became a total joke. Back to the drawing board.

    • EricHobsbawmtwit

      “European city of the year for sustainable transport”.

      I think “that’s nice dear” would be an appropriate response upon receipt of such a magnificently absurd award.

  • Benjermain Sutton

    “All you guys ever wanna do is cus each other, two words… Keep it real. RESTECP!” – Ali G

    • Terry Field

      RESTECP !!!
      Educated in a bog standard comp.

  • disqus_0fqCEMEIrU

    what a load of tosh!

  • Ally Gory

    “UKIP represents a revolt of natives against newcomers”

    To some perhaps, but the reason it was created was to restore parliamentary sovereignty and, by doing so, properly accountable government. Why you would prefer to ignore that only you can say.

  • http://t.co/rXjomKpfUv JP Janson De Couet

    Has Lord Freud resigned yet?

  • Darren buckley

    I have lived in Brighton for 25+ years and have lived in many areas in the UK this is my favourite.Big changes over the past 10 or so years hard to be exact,the green council do try to do the right thing they just appear to mess things up on a regular basis, examples have been given here.For me the biggest mess up appears to be the Lewes rd highway changes i believe them to be very dangerous and hazardous not only to cyclists but to car drivers as well, as for bus drivers good luck.Anybody in any doubt try driving along past the avenue on a football weekend or any time after 2.30 on a schoolday or between the hours of 2.30 and 6.00pm, be careful turning left and dropping your speed from 30 as you do a hard left, check wing mirrors for buses oh and make sure that cycle lane is clear the one hidden by the bus that is, and try and ignore the torrent of abuse coming from the drivers behind you should you need to come to a full stop.Gyratory work in progress now that should be fun trying to get to Hollingdean cutting across both a bus and cycle lane not to mention pedestrians, you know if something aint broke it don’t need fixing.

  • Gobannian

    I find this article most offensive. I live in Islington.

    • Shenandoah

      Who cares? — on both points.

  • Terry Field

    It sounds insane. I watch Caroline Headlamp and am convinced she needs medication and assistance in an appropriate institute, since her thoughts seem to be close to utterly insane. She is VERY amusing and is for me a sort of circus act.
    They CANNOT expect people to take them seriously!
    They are too funny! Entertainment as good as Strictly – a bunch of amateurs trying to learn as they go!

  • WimsThePhoenix

    I lived there from 1959-1986, and I loved it. So glad I moved while it was still nice

  • Stephen Robert James Adam

    This is mostly bollox, the whole rubbish collection issue was one that regarded legislation on fair pay and had been dodged by successive previous parties. Wind farms ARE a good idea and the idea of increasing council tax when government funding is cut seems a logical step. Yes, they are a new party and have made some school boy errors but this is the first time they have been elected. meat-free Mondays was also a great idea, given the amount of environmental damage meat does and steering people towards the idea of ruducing meat consumption is pretty much the only way of staving off mass starvation in a growing population. I suggest the writer fucks off back to London.

    • Perky Purebottoms

      You obviously know nothing about the reality of wind farms, as well as being foul-mouthed and full of himself (FOUR names? really? A bit up yourself, perhaps?).

      • Stephen Robert James Adam

        Name calling from a guy calling himself ‘Perky Purebottoms’, that has just made my day! My parents where indecisive when picking out names so ended up calling me all of them…

        It would appear your knowledge of renewable energy is somewhat limited and biased based on your attack.
        Here’s a link you might find helpful.
        http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Wind+farms

        Maybe we should be doing more fracking eh?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutGpoD3inc

        The Green Party has made some daft mistakes though I feel they much better reflect my views than any other party. The importance of environmental issues has been downplayed by all parties and all action has been piecemeal at best.

      • Stephen Robert James Adam

        Name calling from a guy calling himself ‘Perky Purebottoms’, that has just made my day! My parents where indecisive when picking out names so ended up calling me all of them…

        It would appear your knowledge of renewable energy is somewhat limited and biased based on your attack.
        Here’s a link you might find helpful.
        http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Wind+farms

        Maybe we should be doing more fracking eh?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutGpoD3inc

        The Green Party has made some daft mistakes though I feel they much better reflect my views than any other party. The importance of environmental issues has been downplayed by all parties and all action has been piecemeal at best.

        • Perky Purebottoms

          The difference is that my name is a nickname and a bit of humour. Also, I’m a girl not a guy. Your parents should have had me around to advise them: ditch the Stephen, put James or Adam first and Robert last.

          Don’t bother with your silly propaganda: I suggest you watch FrackNation instead. Then you might learn something.

          But back to the subject of wind farms, which cause all kinds of medical problems, kill wildlife, despoil landscapes, have very short lifespans as most turbines are unmaintained and essentially unmaintainable, are put up for the sake of getting gov’t subsidies (after which everyone loses interest), and worst of all, have batteries that require massive quantities of rare earth metals — the mining of which makes huge no-man’s-lands of large areas in China.

          And all for nothing.

          • easynow

            LOL fracknation

    • BHA1

      Great post and couldn’t agree more!!

  • Fenton!

    Once again, the ignorance of the commenters here — and in the population at large — about the toxic effects of wind turbines, on all living beings from China to the countries where they finally are installed, is dangerous and so unneeded.

    Cheap plentiful energy is ours to be had. But for reasons that still remain obscure and certainly have to do with emotional rationalisations, the Left looks the other way and endorses things that belong in Mordor, not in Britain’s green and pleasant land.

    The hear-no-evil, see-no-evil moral and intellectual blindness of those that still support turbines, in the face of all the evidence, is staggering — and it ought to be resisted by the rest of us. The jury is in. Wind turbines do far, far, far more harm than good.

    • Natasha

      Your anti wind arguments are de-bunked here barnardonwind.com/environment-clearing-the-air/

      • Natasha

        Forget wind. Generation 4 nuclear is the trump card in medium & long term energy solutions
        http://www.theengineer.co.uk/energy-and-environment/in-depth/prism-project-a-proposal-for-the-uks-problem-plutonium/1016276.article

        • Shenandoah

          Don’t tell US to forget wind. Tell the effing ‘Greens’, i.e. Leftists in faux-compassion cover.

          • Natasha

            Thanks Guest (formerly Shenandoah), I am addressing everyone here, and not making assumptions about people’s knowedge, not just you and your Spectator buddies, so lets keep calm and avoid expletives shall we? I spoke to Greenpeace scientists and administrators a few months ago about a) fatal bottlenecks to wind implementation (some of which you’ve told us about here, but are de-bunked, and others that do hold up) in particular their aim to get the UK 100% renewable by 2030, and b) asking them why the they don’t differentiate between Generation 3 and Generation 4 Nuclear, since they are entirely different reactions and technology. Generation 3 waste (the stuff waiting to be buried for 300,000 years) is FUEL for generation 4 nuclear, enough to last the UK now in storage at Sellafield to last the UK 5,000 years. Also, Gen 4 burns existing nuclear bombs, and its waste is safe as background radiation in only 300 years, so it neatly deals with the existing waste / proliferation / bomb problem AND we get free electricity practically forever. PLUS gen 4 is fail SAFE, so Fukishima / Chernoly / Five Mile Island etc… is NOT possible. This is why the neither the media, the Left nor the Right, nor the banks or corporations are talking about Generation 4 nuclear, it’ll put Big Fossil, fracking, and coal all of it out of business overnight.

          • Natasha

            Oh I forgot, this is the sort of stuff the Green Party do talk about, and which the author of the article above should be ashamed to have failed to mention, instead trying to score trivial and meaningless left vs right points.

      • Shenandoah

        There’s no debunking of facts, N. These turbines — if they are allowed to go ahead, and I think they should be stopped by the citizens — will be 700 ft high, and there will be 100 of them. That is desecration. They will never be maintained. Everything said above is a proven fact. It is you that is drinking the Kool-Aid.

        • Natasha

          Shenandoah …. when someone offers “proven fact” I know they don’t know how science works. Science is limited to only being able to offer the best explanation of the data so far. You write scare-mongering nonsense. Who cares if they are going to be 700 foot high on the horizon of the
          ocean, when Generation 4 nuclear has so many advantages ? ! The link I gave you goes through all of your objections and comprehensively de-bunks them. Ironically, both you and the link I gave, have also failed to tell us what the real limits to wind turbines really are : distribution, maintance & raw materials costs. Generation 4 Nuclear is the medium and long term exit from Big Fossil. Period.

          • EricHobsbawmtwit

            So apart from distribution, maintenance, raw material costs and reliability (the one you failed to mention) and the need for equivalent backup to be available consisting presumably of diesel generators or some other such dirty black thing, wind power is a brilliant idea!

          • easynow

            ‘dirty black thing’

            racist

        • Natasha

          Shenandoah, please – posting comments here is not a competition 🙂 Read the links I give FIRST, because your Kool-Aid insults demean you.

  • Phil Page

    Brighton didn’t vote Tory. For this I can forgive anything, even dotty local policies.

  • JohnRedLantern

    I have to visit Brighton for work regularly, to me for some years now it looks relatively run-down and shabby compared to other southern cities.

    Brighton has long been the drug death capital in the UK and has a relative open acceptance of drugs and druggies, it has an acute problem with drugs as it has twice the national average of chronic problem users and drug users.

    They even have ‘injecting rooms’ which were imported from a failed experiment in Vancouver & Sydney, never worked there and does not work in Brighton.

    Brighton attracts far more than its fair share of druggies and drug dealers who feel welcomed by the misplaced and naive policies of the Greens.

    Caroline Lucas MP is also pro drug legalisation.

    Over the last 30 years or so, it has gone from being a rather desirable place to live and visit on the south coast, to a city that is not so.

    • BHA1

      There are no injecting rooms you prat and as not being a desirable place to live you are talking even more shite as rising house prices and relocating London testify!!

  • FIERY

    I am Brighton born and bred and the town has become a shit-hole! ruined by all the do gooders and open minded so called free thinking multicultural and politically correct bullshit.
    Its a haven for the immoral all be it the council or the government ripping of everyday people with parking fees etc blah blah blah or homo cross gender lesbo fucked up confused people!
    Sodom and Gomorrah eat your heart out !
    OHHHH Dear Sorry thats not politically correct is it !!! how selfish of me not to accept your views how small minded and rascist of me for having my own opinion and not going with your modern free thinkin anything goes society….

    • BHA1

      You are a real bore!

    • Frank

      You read the Daily Mail don’t you.

  • India Latham

    Firstly, ‘turning the town into a laboratory for their kooky ideas.’ God forbid a political party do something vaguely out of the ordinary that may insight a change for the better.

    Secondly, when you refer to their ‘silly gimmicks’ such as ‘meat-free Monday’ in council-run staff canteens? Ah, an initiative which could in some way help minimise animal suffering, save money for the council, reduce greenhouse gases and be beneficial for the health of their employees. But how will they cope without suckling on animal carcasses for one day a week?

    ‘Gender-neutral toilets, and allowing people to identify as Mr, Mrs or Mx on council forms.’ Easy for a man, who in another article refers to himself as a ‘male dinosaur’, and perhaps has never been judged on his gender, to disregard this policy as a ‘silly gimmick’.

    ‘They aren’t interested in conserving what they inherit so much as transforming it to reflect their progressive ideology. Not for them the countryside of traditional farming and hunting, nor the ramshackle urbanity of Georgian Brighton. No — they dream of an integrated eco/bio/renewable future of steel and glass that will render the inefficient past obsolete.’

    HOW DARE THEY DREAM OF AN ECO/BIO/RENEWABLE FUTURE? WE SHOULD ALL BE HUNTING ANIMALS ON OUR UNSPOILT COUNTRYSIDE. A wind farm would simply get in the way of this no? Real sustainable change would be silly, and look downright ugly. How about a drill for fracking instead?

    ‘Greens are indeed the inverted image of Ukip — and not only in the sense of being philosophical opposites.’ Anyone who is the philosophical opposite of UKIP has my vote.

    ‘Trendy, yes. But they are impractical and very irritating.’

    This article is irritating, you are irritating.

  • alfredo

    ‘UKIP represents a revolt of natives against newcomers …’ Did you have to think for many hours about this stunning revelation? And they pay you to write this stuff? Come to think of it, they probably do – but it all depends who ‘they’ are.

  • JabbaTheCat

    “Brighton has become an object lesson in why it is a disaster to vote Green”

    …and Wales is an object lesson in why it is a disaster to vote Labour…

  • Paul Suciu

    Russell Brand is NOT a member… in fact the Green on a national level is run by professionals most of them despondent with their previous corporate positions. The Green party leader is the former editor of the Guardian for example.

  • India Latham

    Firstly, ‘turning the town into a laboratory for their kooky ideas.’ God forbid a political party do something vaguely out of the ordinary that may insight a change for the better.

    Secondly, when you refers to their ‘silly gimmicks’ such as ‘meat-free Monday’ in council-run staff canteens? Ah, an initiative which could in some way help minimise animal suffering, save money for the council, reduce greenhouse gases and be beneficial for the health of their employees. But how will they cope without suckling on animal carcasses for one day a week?

    ‘Gender-neutral toilets, and allowing people to identify as Mr, Mrs or Mx on council forms.’ Easy for a man, who in another article refers to himself as a ‘male dinosaur’, and perhaps has never been judged on his gender, to disregard this policy as a ‘silly gimmick’.

    ‘They aren’t interested in conserving what they inherit so much as transforming it to reflect their progressive ideology. Not for them the countryside of traditional farming and hunting, nor the ramshackle urbanity of Georgian Brighton. No — they dream of an integrated eco/bio/renewable future of steel and glass that will render the inefficient past obsolete.’

    HOW DARE THEY DREAM OF AN ECO/BIO/RENEWABLE FUTURE? WE SHOULD ALL BE HUNTING ANIMALS ON OUR UNSPOILT COUNTRYSIDE. A wind farm would simply get in the way of this no? Real sustainable change would be silly, and look downright ugly. How about a drill for fracking instead?

    ‘Greens are indeed the inverted image of Ukip — and not only in the sense of being philosophical opposites.’ Anyone who is the philosophical opposite of UKIP has my vote.

    ‘Trendy, yes. But they are impractical and very irritating.’

    This article is irritating, you are irritating.

    • EricHobsbawmtwit

      “may insight a change for the better.”

      OK, so give us examples of “change for the better”. And that does not include sheep-based traffic calming measures.

      • easynow

        he listed at least three changes for the better already.

  • Paul Nann

    “…where the buildings are no more than three storeys high”. Apart from the hundreds of buildings that are obviously more than three storeys high including every building in the area where the viewing tower will be built

  • Christy Greenwood

    The tower wasn’t their idea, it was approved in 2006 by the labour government we had at the time as were most of your other points. This article is laughable to be honest.

  • Sara Parmar

    Maybe the Greens are getting their political philosophy from The Venus Project’s documentary “Paradise or Oblivion” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag&feature=player_embedded

  • Liam Marc Robson

    As someone who isn’t even a supporter of the Greens, the amount of nonsense in this article is shocking – so I’ll just raise the single biggest piece of stupidity (which is pretty much a microcosm for the entire article).

    The point about the tower. Firstly, an outright lie about the height of the surrounding buildings. The immediate surrounding area is full of buildings 10-20 stories high, not 3. Then, the fact that the planning on this project began with the support of Labour in 2006, shall we never vote Labour again? Tim himself admits that planning was approved in partnership with the Conservatives – shall we never vote Tory again? Finally, are you really advocating the judging of a political party based on a single piece of architecture constructed in a constituency they control? I think every political party around the world would have to be condemned if that were the case.

    Absolute insanity,

  • David Bell

    I’m a UKIP supporter, so not exactly Green party friendly. However, this constant belittling of political parties is so sad. If you disagree with a party or policy then say so and give clear reasons, not this constant carping and name calling. If you can do better then say what you would do better and how.

  • Drew Winter

    Fantastic journalism – focus entirely on the negatives and declare their time in charge, and the very act of voting Green, a disaster on that basis. Perhaps you should look to the local press for a more balanced analysis http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10675938.Special_report__What_have_the_Greens_done_in_Brighton_and_Hove_/

  • Γιώργος Πράσινος

    I’m so proud that idiots create so beautiful propaganda for the Green Party and the Green Movement!

    Just a sign of fear for the growth of Greens in United Kingdom,as we all can see by acts f.e. of journalists who don’t invite Greens in Elections debates,when Green Party is now the 4th biggest Political Party in UK!

    Well done guys!!!

  • luke cano

    last time I checked, ‘political correctness’ protected the vulnerable. Without it, most of us would be in a much worse position than we are now. Is biting your tongue every now and then so bad as to cast all that progress away? Selfish bastards

    • Mr B J Mann

      How do you define “protect”?

      And “vulnerable”?!

      Not to mention “biting your tongue every now and then”!

      And “Selfish bastards”!!!

      For example, when Carol Thatcher tried to describe a tennis player by the fact that his hair exactly resembled that that of her favourite childhood toy, off air, in private, to someone else, when the tennis player was on the other side of the world, who was Joe Brand (wasn’t it) “protecting” when she overheard the remark, took offence on the tennis players behalf, and got Carol Thatcher sacked?

      And in so doing ensured the remark was aired world-wide?!

      And the tennis player heard it!

      Who was the “vulnerable” party?!

      And who was the guilty “selfish bastard” that ensured that not one, but two, people would be in a “much worse position than” they would have been if she had “bitten her tongue”?!?!

      And why was it OK for Ms Brand to pour forth a stream of insulting invective and bile against Ms Thatcher’s “vulnerable” aged and incapacitated mother on air the same week?

      And for the BBC to repeat the offensive abuse a couple more times over the following few days?!?!?!

      Why couldn’t Ms Brand have been told to “bite your tongue every now and then”?

      Or was the BBC afraid that she was the “vulnerable” one, and one of those “Selfish bastards” who would eat their “own tongue” if they had “bitten it”, and they would be guilty of an Elf n Safty infringement, and failing in their duty to protect an employee, if they encouraged her to eat even more.

      Unlike their duty to protect their other employee!!!

      And, yes, I know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but it’s also the funniest

      Perhaps that’s why the Beeb hire her?!

      PS To expand further on your PC point:

      What about that whitey “liberal” black-rights activist and aid to a black Mayor working to aid the oppressed blacks in his community who was sacked for complaining that his budget for that was n****dly (a totally unconnected word).

      And who does it help to censor the word?!

      And what about all the Mount N***os and Rio N***os?!?!?!

      And as for the dog in Dambusters?!?!?!?!?!

      • Guest

        I don’t really follow. How does any of what you said have anything to do with what I said? Did you just feel like telling a story or what?

        • Mr B J Mann

          Are you taking the P……?!?!?!

          • Mr B J Mann

            Apologies, I might have been a bit hasty with that reply.

            I’ve added a couple more quotation marks, an extra “vulnerable” (in quotes), and a “To expand further on your PC point:” (but not in quotes).

            Does that help you to follow the bleedin’ obvious any better?!?!?

          • easynow

            You’re obviously beyond help.

            Those aren’t examples of political correctness. It’s only a matter of time before you claim “they’ve banned christmas”.

            Do you know what political correctness is?

          • Mr B J Mann

            Let me guess:

            I don’t understand what Political Correctness is.

            Because any example of Political Correctness I can find of Political Correctness isn’t any example of Political Correctness, because clearly the people responsible for the example of Political Correctness didn’t understand what Political Correctness was?!?!?

            Just like I don’t understand what Communism is.

            Because every example of Communism I can come up with isn’t an example of Communism because the people behind any example of Communism I can come up with didn’t understand what Communism was and weren’t real Communists.

            Just like those Feminists at Cambridge(?) who got a debate between two men on whether the current “rape culture” affects EVERYONE *ELSE* in society, not just women, banned because they didn’t have vaginas weren’t “real” Feminists…..

            .

            By the way, how come “progressive” “liberals” denounce anyone who reads the Daily Wail, and the non-existent standards of its journalists, and don’t believe anything they publish, insisting they just regurgitate any old garbage they come across, without checking the facts…..

            Except when they publish a counter-claim from Birmingham Council asserting that they hadn’t “banned Christmas”……

            It was just encompassed within a wider promotion of festivities such as Halloween, Bonfire Night, Diwali, etc, not just the German Christmas Market and the Christmas and New Year celebrations, collectively branded “Winterval”!

            But they’d used “Christmas” lots of times in their literature, honest.

            Except that if the Wail’s useless non-journalists had bothered to check they would have found all the other celebrations mentioned happed BEFORE the dates given for “Winterval”.

            And you could hardly refer to the “world famous” German “Winterval” market or try to entice people into Birmingham to buy their “Winterval” Cards and do their other “Winterval” Shopping.

            Oh, and they’d tried to rebrand their Christmas Lights as “Festival” Lights previously: and the public backlash (from all faiths and none) was so large they daren’t try that stunt again.

            If I were you I’d give up while you are behind!

          • easynaw

            Wow. Just wow. I suspected you were a troll when I noticed your username, but now I’m sure of it. You are reading like a Private Eye cartoon.

            Awaiting gun law, the EU, and global warming to add to your blithering rants on communism, feminism and christmas.

            😉

          • Mr B J Mann

            Username?!

            I think you must be the troll!

            And as for EU (clearly you are unaware that the governmental and justice systems in continental Europe are entirely at odds with the UK’s and completely incompatible – hence the need for British lawyers to entirely re-write our Magna Carta, Bill of Rights and Common Law provisions for their version of ‘Uman Rights after the Second World War) and Global Warming (again, you seem to to totally unaware that whenever you are told that it’s the hottest, wettest, whatever, since whenever, that means that it was at least as, if not more, hot/wet/etc long before 4x4s, etc, etc) – classic examples of gullible “liberal” self-delusion!

            If man Made Global Warming “scientists” can be trusted, how come they claimed that the temperature and CO2 graphs proved that rising CO2 caused rising temperature.

            Until a “denier” pointed out they were the other way round?

            And how come, if they are scientists, they insisted that, OK, every other time in the history of the planet that the temperatures started rising, some unknown mystery cause must have been the unknown mystery cause.

            But now we have 4x4s – so they MUST be the cause this time, it CAN’T be the unknown mystery cause

            But if 4x4s or the unknown mystery cause cause the temperature to start rising, and then a feedback loop of CO2 release causes it to go higher and higher, how come every time in the past the temperature has started falling again while the CO2 continued to rise?!?!?!?

            You gullibles will believe anything!

          • Mr B J Mann

            PS In Rwanda they managed to massacre 800,000 people in 100 days.

            That’s a higher slaughter rate than in the Holocaust.

            Achieved with nothing more gun-like than an assortment of kitchen utensils, garden implements and sharpened sticks.

            Because Rwanda comes practically at the bottom of the gun ownership league tables (according to the Guardian!).

            And you “liberals” are going to save the world with draconian gun controls?!

            Try checking out the gun murder rate in Mexico, which has very strict gun controls, and Switzerland, which practically gives everyone in the country a gun!

            You really need to get out from under the bridge more!

          • easynaw

            Oh marvellous. Do cycling next!

          • easynaw

            Ps, a quick Google shows you have a hilarious reputation, Mr BJ man.

          • Mr B J Mann

            PPS You don’t need to highlight the fact you haven’t got a rational response by labelling posts you can’t formulate a reasonable reply to “blithering rants”!

    • Richard

      So how do you account for what happened in Rochdale and all the other Muslims involved in grooming of white girls? They weren’t prosecuted or investigated because they were of darker complexion and Muslim, owing to PC sensibilities in the UK. Or do you not consider teenage girls vulnerable? For example.

      • easynow

        I think you might want to re-read what you said there. You’re seriously suggesting that the rochdale rapists got away with it, and that they did so because they are muslim, because of political correctness.

        Youre lost.

        All nine men in that case were jailed after a lengthy trial. Are you making this up as you go along?

  • Jake Armistead

    Ignore the fact that both Labour and Tory outnumber the Greens combined, so therefore they can outvote the Greens on any policy they wish to push through but please peddle the same old parties propaganda for them…

  • Steve Geliot

    Brighton buildings no more than three storeys? Mine (a very typical victorian terraced one) is 4 storeys, but many are 7 – 8. This writer knows very little about Brighton. I never migrated from Islington, and have lived in the town I love since 1981. Of course the green council made a few beginners mistakes, and like all parties spent a bit unwisely at times, but they are learning and our MP is fantastic – certainly not in any way comparable with this ignorant UKIP clowns. The tower thing – well many of us just think of it as a 21st century pier, which will not be so relentlessly absorbed by the sea (although I concede that the health benefit would be better if you walked up it rather than rode it). Brightonians like me are just a bit more willing to try new ideas than some folk.

  • Birdinggooner

    Pretty thin stuff. Is that the best you can come up with? The fact your flat (?) was previously occupied by an ‘alcoholic (deceased)’ is utterly irrelevant. Why does it actually matter what you are allowed to identify yourself as on a form? Of course, they’ve made some mistakes – they’re bound to..but ‘gender neutral toilets’? We’ve all got those in our houses, and I also have at least one at my place of work. Architecture and your opinion of it is, of course, very subjective. As a frequent visitor, and having a child who attended Uni there, I can say that their parks and open spaces are superb, and the public transport seemed excellent. Car parking is expensive, although car parks are well maintained and organised. “Hatchet jobs’ just aren’t what they used to be…

  • Subsplot Outsdie Curve

    So lets get this right, the Greens have failed because (A) You can’t tell the difference between paper and plastic, (B) you think people should work for wages they can’t actually live on (C) they have a different architectural taste to you . . . . ermmmm right. Spectator, can you please start publishing opinion pieces written by people with intelligence rather than ego.

  • Guest

    So what are your kooky ideas. Starve the poor, throw a few more disabled on the fire to protect a bankers undeserved bonus. We saw the cycle of corrupt cycle of the Conservative party with the sale of the Post office to a hedge fund at a cut price, they give money to the Tories and their back up plan, UKIP. We saw their total incompetance when they cancelled an order for navy fighters then re ordered at a cost of £270 million. Green Partys ‘Kookie Ideas’ are at least thought out and democratic. You want ever ending corruption and incompetence go Tory/UKIP.

  • Anthony Gair

    So what are your kooky ideas. Starve the poor, throw a few more disabled on the fire to protect a bankers undeserved bonus. We saw the corrupt life cycle of the Conservative party with the sale of the Post office to a hedge fund at a cut price, they then give money to the Tories and their back up plan, UKIP. Back Handers worthy of the third world which is where they are taking us. We saw their total incompetance when they cancelled an order for navy fighters then re ordered at a cost of £270 million. Green Partys ‘Kookie Ideas’ are at least thought out and democratic. You want ever ending corruption and incompetence go Tory/UKIP.

  • Cicero

    It is a grave shame that Mr Stanley does not feel that it is incumbent upon his integrity as a journalist that he should mention that the Greens are running a minority administration in Brighton, and that the Labour and Tory members are so frantic for their ruin that they will co-operate with each other rather than the democratic plurality and, in the case of the former, their closer ideological counterpart (if we are to assume there are any traces of a left-wing party in Labour now. Brighton should indeed serve as an example to the rest of the country: an example of how the political mainstream is so cynical and so fearful of rising dissent against their undemocratic grip on power that they will engage in political sabotage, to the detriment of the people they represent, to cling to authority for that little bit longer. What we are seeing in Brighton is US politics in a microcosm; a hope-fuelled democratic revolution opposed by a cynical opposition that will deny that revolution the bipartisan agreement it requires to pass legislation because it knows that the administration itself will take the blame.

    It is in spite of this that Brighton has pushed for the perfectly reasonable causes of reduced meat-consumption and transgender-equality, in both of which areas they are well ahead of their time. Mr Stanley then seems to mock them for listening to the views of their workers and acting accordingly on the former idea – because consultation and consent are presumably more of their ‘loony lefty’ ideas. And on this referendum – which lunatic came up with that idea? Oh yes – Conservative central government, which stated its endorsement of councils’ holding of referenda to allow council tax increases. Looks like the Conservative Party has been infiltrated by Trots too.

    Mr Stanley goes on to deride the Greens’ divisions. One might just as easily call them ‘principles’. Clearly, we would be far better off if all Green councillors just sat tight under the whip and never voiced dissent of any kind – after all, it works in Parliament, and it’s not as if we have a population that is utterly disillusioned with politics as a result of politicians’ inability actually to believe in anything.

    As for all this nonsense about wanting to create a future of some kind, I think we should all be glad that the Spectator has never endorsed and will never endorse a future.

    Green support in Brighton remains, against all the odds, at 21% of the electorate, around three times the national average. Perhaps this is because their crusade for better pay has ensured that one-quarter of all companies located in Britain that pay the living wage are based on Brighton. Gender-neutral toilets and political principles might offend the likes of Mr Stanley, but it appears that his view is not widely shared by people who don’t feel his need to plaster their ill-informed opinions all over the national press.

  • Jayson Carmichael

    Last yr saw a increase in voting after yrs of decline. im pleased that other parties will be more prominent this election. Will make General Election more interesting

  • Richard

    I think these comments below tell us more than the article does about Brighton. But then I suppose every country needs its Brighton. I wonder what will happen when it becomes Tower Hamlets-on-sea?

  • rosepoet

    I live in the green constituency [Pavilion]. Caroline Lucas has often been the only voice of opposition to the venal Coalition. I like the re-vamped Level. I note you don’t mention how the Greens have protected the poorest people in Brighton, protecting housing benefit payments despite government’s savage cuts. A shamefully biased report.

    • Phil

      So true.
      Some people are so quick to inflate an argument fueled by a prejudice while conveniently glossing over the good points.

  • http://t.co/rXjomKpfUv JP Janson De Couet

    Quite a lot of whining from Tim Stanley but not much of it of any substance.

    • S

      So there you are: a Lefty that can’t face facts. What else is new?

      • http://t.co/rXjomKpfUv JP Janson De Couet

        Weird how righties are always accusing other people of not facing the facts.

        • S

          If it’s true, it’s not weird really is it. By the way I’m not a ‘righty’, whatever that is.

  • Simon Atford

    The Greens are not the UKIP of the left! They have been going far longer than UKIP. If anything UKIP are the Greens of the right. The Greens have attracted support from disaffected Lib Dems whilst UKIP have gained support from disaffected Tories. Both parties have benefited from the mistakes of the Coalition.

  • Phil

    People rant about most cities regardless of what party is in control.

  • brian

    Us Islington ins would rather stay put but we been out priced there’s no council housing my children are 24 and 29 with children and haven’t got a chance of getting offered somewhere to live so they live at home in one room each so less of putting islingtonians down thank you

  • http://wrinkledweasel-resurgam.blogspot.co.uk/ wrinkledweasel

    Jason Kitkat gets a hard time. Give him a break. Valerie Snickers wishes to point out that her change of surname has nothing to do with getting married recently and resents being the subject of smutty Limericks. Flakes, all of them.

  • Mike

    We can blame Labour for this as an unexpected (or expected if the truth be told) consequence of multiculturalism and political correctness. Instead of reaching the objective of integration amongst the community its very obvious the complete opposite has happened. In parts of Yorkshire or Slough we have Islamic ghettos whilst in Brighton its the gay / green capital of the UK. I’m not saying thats right or wrong as each to their own but clearly Labours social engineering doesn’t work other than to create divisions and barriers between people !

  • Caroline Brading

    Why on earth do we need people like the above to move to our town I’ll never know? If it was more organised, less Green and less Leftie where you lived before then why on earth didn’t you stay there? Clearly you are only here to complain and push up our house prices-go home!

  • bartimaeus

    If you don’t want to live here and don’t like it here then either vote or bugger off. Stop blaming the rest of us for using our vote whichever way we please.

  • Donna Wallace

    The loony left within the Green Party need to be stamped on or ejected. They are the thorn in the side of what should be the Party of Today. We need green politics but we don’t need these left wing nutters who could do untold damage to the Party.

  • Anon

    I don’t mean to be pernickety, but stating that Brighton is ‘a town where the buildings are no more than three storeys high’ and has ‘cheap houses’ is not only a little contradictory, but also massively untrue. Has Tim Stanley ever been to Brighton?

  • nonsequiturcouk

    As an ex Brighton resident I can agree with everything in this article. Amusingly, I knew many of the bin men, some of whom spent their weekends roasting whole pigs on an open spit in some ancient battlefield, living the whole medieval nine yards (for the weekend) that the greens would so readily take us back to permanently.

  • http://afieldsomewhere.wordpress.com a field somewhere

    Cheer up you old git. Why don’t you go live in Crawley or somewhere equally ‘normal’. With great respect, you are talking absolute rubbish.
    Brighton is fabulous and always will be.

  • peppers1

    if the greens take control of the uk we are finished……vote ukip

  • Will Harvey

    Nothing wrong with the old left, that was the wonderful working class Brighton of my youth. The Greens should hang their heads in collective shame – they have ruined the two towns ( lets drop all the city crap ) of Brighton and Hove. Its now a dirty nasty rude rubbish and graffiti strewn area, with sky high council tax and the greens persecution of the bin men. On the verge of another massive Council Tax increase and another bin strike (Feb 2015) its time to put the Greens into the dustbin of history

  • Lenny Grey

    My legal title is Mx, why should it be exluded from forms? How does that make sense? How transphobic of you to suggest that that I should not be allowed to fill in official forms, and to flippantly compare my legal title with a nuclear missile.

  • http://celticgreenenergy.co.uk Celtic Green Energy

    Working for a green energy company you might think I would be voting Green and I must say I did consider it until I actually found out what they are actually about: http://www.celticgreenenergy.co.uk/blog/8-reasons-why-green-energy-companies-do-not-support-the-green-party/ . Calling themselves the Green Party is quite misleading, and their ideas on renewable energy are very unrealistic and inappropriate.

  • Spunky

    Brighton used to be an awesome place before it became packed with immigrants and the arrogance of the ‘DFLs’ (Down From London) descended here. Brighton (the town where I was born – not many of us left!) is fast becoming an arragant crap hole full of London ‘Hooray Henrys’, who have f**ked up London and are now mid-way through doing it to Brighton. Wouldn’t it be nice if the arrogant Hoorays and Middle Class Yummie Mummys b*ggered off back from whence they came! Then Brighton can get back to how it used to be – a nice place! A place which used to be value for money and where the jobs weren’t ‘minimum wage’ because of a mass oversupply of ‘invader’ labour both foreign and otherwise with NO connection to the local area. Give us the real Brighton back and go and f*ck up someone else’s town!

  • Spunky

    Brighton used to be an awesome place before it became packed with immigrants and the arrogance of the ‘DFLs’ (Down From London) descended here. Brighton (the town where I was born – not many of us left!) is fast becoming an arragant crap hole full of London ‘Hooray Henrys’, who have f**ked up London and are now mid-way through doing it to Brighton. Wouldn’t it be nice if the arrogant Hoorays and Middle Class Yummie Mummys b*ggered off back from whence they came! Then Brighton can get back to how it used to be – a nice place! A place which used to be value for money and where the jobs weren’t ‘minimum wage’ because of a mass oversupply of ‘invader’ labour both foreign and otherwise with NO connection to the local area. Give us the real Brighton back and go and f*ck up someone else’s town!

  • Rosie Poppy Dahlia

    What is certain is that Labour has lost its appeal to a lot of people and that if people are turning to Conservatives it has got that desperate – the Greens are literally the only alternative. Why don’t Labour look a bit more deeply into why people aren’t interested in their jumbled, and outdated policies and get a grip in 2016! It would make sense if they backed renewables instead of coal mining and fossil fuels. At least 112 turbines provide renewable electricity for 300,000 homes – half of Brighton! What local ideas do Labour actually have that are actually interesting? This article is just negative….it just smacks
    of being bad losers.

  • Alistair Ariss

    Stop crying at the prospect of gender neutral toilets and a wind farm. Seriously though, this article is old but still awful. Grow up and stop moaning at things that don’t even affect you (like gender neutral titles).

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