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How Vladimir Putin is waging war on the West – and winning

Across the new Europe, a little bit of Russian influence is going a long way

21 February 2015

9:00 AM

21 February 2015

9:00 AM

Last month, the speaker of the Russian parliament solemnly instructed his foreign affairs committee to launch a historical investigation: was West Germany’s ‘annexation’ of East Germany really legal? Should it be condemned? Ought it to be reversed? Last week, the Russian foreign minister, speaking at a security conference in Munich, hinted that he might have similar doubts. ‘Germany’s reunification was conducted without any referendum,’ he declared, ominously.

At this, the normally staid audience burst out laughing. The Germans in the room found the Russian statements particularly hilarious. Undo German unification? Why, that would require undoing the whole post-Cold War settlement!

Which is indeed a very amusing notion — unless you think that this is exactly what the Russian speaker, the Russian foreign minister, and indeed the Russian President, a man who once called the collapse of the Soviet Union ‘the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century’, are in fact trying to achieve.

I concede that this plan does sound preposterous. Twenty-five years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the old Soviet empire is no more. Most of the old Warsaw Pact countries have joined the European Union and Nato. Central Europe’s transition from communism to democracy has been widely acclaimed as a huge success, and indeed is widely copied and studied the world over. Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, even Romania and Bulgaria are all more open and generally more prosperous than ever before. Germany is triumphantly unified, and Europe is whole and free.

Can Vladimir Putin really pick all of this apart? Well, while most of us weren’t watching, he has certainly tried. We’ve spent the past decade arguing about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, almost anything but Russia. Meanwhile, Russia has been pursuing a grand strategy designed to delegitimise Nato, undermine the EU, split the western alliance and, above all, reverse the transitions of the 1990s.

Much of the time, they are pushing on an open door. The Kremlin doesn’t invent anti-European or anti-establishment ideas, it simply supports them in whatever form they exist, customising their tactics to suit each country. They’ll support the far left or the far right — in Greece they support both. Despite its economic plight, the new Greek government’s first act was not a protest against European economic policy but a protest against sanctions on Russia. Only then did it tell its European creditors that it might not pay them back.

If need be, Russia will court select members of the political and financial establishment too. In Britain, Russia has friends in the City, but also sponsors RT, the propaganda channel which features George Galloway and other titans of the loony left. In France, Russia keeps in close touch with industrialists, but a Russian-Czech bank has loaned Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Front €9 million, with another €30 million said to be on the way.

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Still, Britain and France are established democracies, each with a relatively strong political class and relatively solvent news-papers, and Greece is a longstanding member of the EU. With very little effort, the Kremlin can achieve a lot more in smaller countries where the political class is impoverished, the media downright broke and Europe still a new idea. On a recent visit to Prague, I was surprised to hear so much Russian spoken in the streets, and said so to a friend. He rolled his eyes: ‘Prague has become the poor man’s London.’ Russians who can’t afford Mayfair buy flats in the Baroque city centre. While there, they’ve discovered that the price of manipulating Czech politics is strikingly low.

Here again, they didn’t invent the Czech backlash against transition. Not everyone has got what they wanted in the past 25 years; the dissatisfied young don’t remember the bad old days. The Iraq war created disillusion with the transatlantic alliance, and the financial crash of 2009 created scepticism of the ‘West European model’ that the Czechs used to admire. Since 2013, when the Czech government collapsed following a bribery scandal, the Czech internet has heaved with invective and insult, attacks on ‘our corrupt political class’ and ‘two wasted decades’. In this atmosphere, a tiny bit of Russian media funding, especially in a country where most newspapers lose money, goes a long way. One former minister told me that the same Czech internet portals which attacked him — he says falsely — for corruption are now attacking Ukraine and supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

A little bit of money goes a long way in Czech politics too. The election campaign of the current president, Milos Zeman, was openly financed in 2013 by Lukoil, the Russian energy company. Since then President Zeman — who doesn’t, fortunately, control the government — has argued vociferously against Russian sanctions, dismissed the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a ‘bout of flu’ and invited western-sanctioned Russian oligarchs to Prague. Nor is he alone. In Prague, I was invited to debate a close associate of Vaclav Klaus, Zeman’s predecessor, who complained at length about the pernicious influence of Germany and the EU. I asked him whether German companies had ever paid for Czech presidential election campaigns, as Lukoil does. He couldn’t answer.

The EU doesn’t use anonymous trolls to manipulate the media, as Russia does all over central Europe. Nor does it fund any far-right political parties, as it does in Budapest as well as Paris. Nevertheless, Hungary’s centre-right prime minister, Viktor Orban, has adopted a piece of Russia’s anti-transition message too. Last year he secured a Russian loan — the details of which were secret — for the construction of a new nuclear power plant. A few months later, he told ethnic Hungarians in Romania that it was time to abandon western ‘dogmas and ideologies’ such as liberal democracy, the form of government which was, once upon a time, the central goal of Hungary’s transition. Infamously, Orban then explained that he preferred the ‘illiberal democracies’ of Turkey, China, and of course Russia. Putin is visiting Budapest this week.

As in Prague, the relationship between Russian money for Orban’s projects and Orban’s pro-Russian and illiberal views is murky. But other things besides money may be at stake. Orban is famously nostalgic for ‘greater Hungary’, which hasn’t existed since the first world war. A small slice of that fabled lost territory is now part of Ukraine — a point the Russian foreign minister also brought up, curiously, in Munich. Perhaps this was a hint: if Russia successfully partitions Ukraine, maybe Budapest will get a slice too.

Even if Hungary doesn’t, in the end, succumb to the charms of illiberal democracy, others might. In Serbia, which is not yet an EU member (and Russia would like to keep it that way), Russian firms control the most important oil and gas companies, and Putin was recently welcomed with the largest military parade in 30 years. Slovakia has a prime minister who flirts with hardline nationalism — he has said that his country was established ‘for Slovaks, not for minorities’ — and also feels doubtful about sanctions on Russia.

Even in Poland, probably the most successful nation in central Europe and the most reliably pro-Nato, internet trolls talk of a ‘disastrous’ 25 years, and mainstream opposition politicians in full campaigning mode have been heard to dismiss Poland’s ‘Third Republic’ — 1989 to the present — as a catastrophe. Those who consider themselves ‘losers’ of the Polish transition are a minority, but they do exist. No one is fond of Russia in Poland, but that isn’t the point: Russia doesn’t need Poland, Hungary or Slovakia republic to be ruled by pro-Russian governments. They just need anti-German governments in central Europe, or anti-western governments, or simply incompetent governments that can persuade the rest of Nato to throw up their hands and say ‘we won’t fight for these people’.

A Czech or Romanian government which would join the Greeks in opposing sanctions on Russia would also be useful. A Hungarian or Bulgarian government willing to torpedo any unified European policy towards Russia, especially one which concerns oil and gas, would be better still.

If a significant number of obstreperous central Europeans came to power, it isn’t at all hard to imagine how a chunk of central Europe could break off from the European Union. Indeed, it isn’t hard to imagine how bits of what we used to call western Europe could break off from the European Union too. Greece is halfway there already. President Le Pen in France and a far-left Podemos government in Spain would also want to redraw the political map. And if the resultant economic and political crisis happened to hit Germany particularly hard, perhaps the Germans would decide to strike out on their own too, abandoning their European partners and the transatlantic alliance both.

If you were Vladimir Putin, wouldn’t you at least try it? There are still plenty of ex–Stasi informers in the eastern Lander, and plenty of former Russian agents. Nobody will notice if a few dodgy companies pay a few converted roubles into the accounts of Germany’s anti–European parties. Thanks to the Snowden affair, and the alleged bugging of Chancellor Merkel’s phone, the Germans are already pretty angry at the Americans. They’ve long since ceased to treat the British as serious geopolitical players. It wouldn’t take that much money or that many trolls to keep a drumbeat of anti-western, anti-American, anti-EU rhetoric going for a few years, as long as it takes.

We will know that it’s succeeded when the next Russian foreign minister declares the post-Cold War settlement null and void — and nobody laughs.


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  • Dan52

    The author of this article seems desperate for attention. Russia’s economy is crumbling. This is not “winning”.

    • The Bogle

      And its birthrate is falling and the country is plagued with corruption. Russia is a military giant (and a bully) and an economic pygmy. Will this adventurism be Putin’s Gotterdammerung (Twilight of the Gods)?

      • rtj1211

        There is zero economic value in Putin invading Ukraine or the Baltic states. Zero. He isn’t going to do it.

        There is huge value to the West in annexing Ukraine and balkanising Russia. They are going to try to do it.

        • Donafugata

          This is not to excuse for what is happening but as soon as Ukraine manages to join the EU there will be another flood of economic migrants arriving in Western Europe, probably preferring the UK because English is the most useful European language.

          The rest of the country will be abandoned to a miserable fate.

          • Nomid

            Which is why the EU won’t invite Ukraine in for the forseeable future if ever.. The EU is in no shape for expansion right now.

            The EU will however throw as many bones, in form of more cooporation, as it can afford to Ukraine, and the Ukrainian politicians will be able to ease the public with these bones…

          • tenbelly

            Which is why we have to get out of the EUSSR as fast as our little short fat hairy legs can run.

            VOTE UKIP

          • Nomid

            lol… Great idea, go for it…. Oh wait, are you sure you are are eligible to vote in England?

            Edit: Ah… You seem to be… sigh…

          • Face

            Hmmm, vote UKIP and we can have a little bit of mad Duma style politics in the UK too!

          • Wessex Man

            We’ve already got that sunshine, now we want real government making decisions that are for the good of the UK not disasterous personal glory wars in the Middle East.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            You mean the Rada style politics? Don’t they love punch ups in Kiev? Gives a new meaning to “punching above your weight”!

          • Mynydd

            Mr Cameron has already invited Ukraine to join the EU.

          • Nomid

            They are promising eachother a lot.. But it will take many years before Ukraine is in any shape or form to join, and there will be arguments within the EU regarding that venture.. When Ukraine has proven itself by curbing corruption and adapting tho the EU market, then the talks might be serious, Ukraine will be a BIG market… But for now they are just that.. Talks…

          • MileJunkie56

            That’s BUSS$HIT and you know it. Are you drinking buddies with Cameron? Or do you have a link to prove your idiotic claim?

          • MileJunkie56

            There is no chance of Ukraine joining EU, in case you don’t know or understand…Read up, buddy! Joining EU is a bit different than joining your neighboring gym.

          • Chaos Noir

            Hasn’t stopped the EU & IMF handing them billions has it? Gee, I wonder what they want out of it?

          • MileJunkie56

            Who “they”? IMF? It’s mission is to help nations in (financial) trouble. They’ve done it time and time again in the last 30 or 40 yrs. EU? They need peace, quite and absence of conflict in Europe. It helps them sleep at night. Ukraine? that’s elementary, Watson 🙂

          • Chaos Noir

            IMF doesn’t help nations. It hands out loans, then demands some type of austerity. Go and do some research about the IMF. As for the EU, it may as well be renamed as Germany’s 4th (economic) Reich.

          • MileJunkie56

            I don’t see any problems with demanding austerity in exchange for loans. Esp since many of these loans are forgiven years later. So why don’t you do the research and show how awful it is for the country to get bailed out after spending money like a drunk sailor? And BTW, there is no problems with EU which northern countries, who still know how to work and save, could not solve. Germans are a great example. What’s your problem?

        • caaps Ceps

          He already HAS invaded Ukraine.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            At least a 100 times since the New Year alone! The Donbass must be really overcrowded by the entire population of the Russian Federation. Can we please have HD pictures please? We got the pictures of Soviet missiles in 1963, so surely, the technology of the “superior and civilised” US/EU/NATO Borg Collective has progressed a bit since then?

          • MileJunkie56

            Vivek, do you really doubt that regular Russian troops are fighting in Eastern Ukraine? Do you really think the state-of-the-art arms, like Tornado-S (only available to Russian Army), Grads, BMP’s, etc. were purchased in “Voentorg” store, like Putler famously claimed about Russian soldiers in Crimea?

          • LES1

            US Ambassador showed the Russian air defense system used in Debaltsevo.
            Thursday, February 19, 2015, 12:27
            Photo

            US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey R. Pyatt published snapshot air defenses, placed near Debaltsevo by Russia.
            http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/02/19/7059106/

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Would that be the same Pyatt who organised the Kiev coup last year? Are you serious? You cannot be serious? Has he published photos of any aliens recently, may be lizards? Mr Spock?

          • TheDane

            It is about time to stop your Radio Erevan bull shit.
            Put the evidence to support your statement about Pyatt or get out of the forum.

          • LES1

            In Kiev opened an exhibition with evidence of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine.

            Ukraine, Kyiv, Today, 19:59

            The exhibition will feature the remains of ammunition, samples of heavy equipment, light weapons, drones, documents, clothing, evidence of information warfare, photo and video-documents.

            In particular, will be presented Ukrainian captured during military operations in Debaltseve grenade dated 2014 year, which are not produced in Ukraine.

            Further evidence he called drones produced only in Russia, equipped with technology, which can transmit images to a distance of 20 kilometers, transmit images and coordinates goals, make adjustments to fire.

            Andrey Taranov on the slides showed the “results” of application “purchased in supermarkets” equipment and weapons – shelling passenger bus in Volnovakha, neighborhoods Mariupol, Kramatorsk.
            http://tsn.ua/kyiv/u-kiyevi-vidkriyetsya-vistavka-dokaziv-prisutnosti-rosiyskih-viysk-na-teritoriyi-ukrayini-410539.html

        • MileJunkie56

          rtj1211, did you miss Russia invading Eastern Ukraine and stealing Crimea????

          It’s amazing that people who have no idea about world events or situation in Ukraine feel they have something useful to add to the discussion…..just amazing….

      • Chaos Noir

        Because the UK & USA are economic giants? Haven’t you read that China has surpassed both?

    • WFB56

      Yes their economy is crumbling but for Putin and his buddies that’s not the point. Their lifestyles don’t change and neither do their goals; and those goals are not purely economic.

      • foljs

        No, their goals are to ensure a future for their country, that is not that of the poor cousin of the West, ranshacked for resources and national assets.

        The problem with Putin is not “his buddies and cronyism” is that he’s a leader, instead of lackey. If it was someone like Yeltsin, selling everything and making favorable deals to foreign powers, there would be nothing but praise even if Russia was 1000% time more corrupt (which is exactly how it was in the nineties).

        • MileJunkie56

          Complete BS. Yeltsin was not “selling everything”, he was establishing market economy. That’s when corruption started. But it’s a million times worse now. You clearly don’t have a clue about how bad it is. Russians have more words for “bribe” than Eskimos have for “snow”.

          • zodiactimes

            Have you been to Russia lately?

          • MileJunkie56

            not lately. I boycott them. Why?

          • Cobbett

            I start fights with Yanks wherever I go. Warmongering cnuts that they are.

          • bobmattfran

            He’s American its doubtful he has a passport or is capable of finding Russia on a map.

          • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

            Are you one of those paid Russian trolls?

          • NotYouNotSure

            Million times worse how ? The Russian economy is bigger now than under Yeltsin or the USSR, the same goes for things like birth rates or death rates.

            You think that there was no bribery under the USSR or Yeltsin ?

          • MileJunkie56

            How? There is a lot more to steal, or “raspilit'” (synonymous with “sawing” apart a log, or a trunk of a tree; it’s Russian euphemism for pinching off pieces of business, grant or budget). In order to protect their money, there is now the entire vertical of enforcement, from top to bottom.
            Was there bribery in USSR? Of course. But it was small potatoes compared to depth and breadth of it today. Or the amounts involved.

          • bobmattfran

            You silly ignorant, arrogant, knuckle dragging moron, the US has stolen more resources than any other country on earth, so dont go down that road.

          • MileJunkie56

            Pathetic anti-semitic piece of shit. I have too much self-respect to get into any kind of discussion with scum like you.

          • Tonino

            You are still just full of shit. Moron once, moron forever. Your ideological delusions have gotten the better of you.

            But what would you know?

          • mountain dweller

            note Yelsin was granted by Putin ” freedom of any prosecution in Russia when he came into power

          • Marek Skibiński

            And why is that? Isn’t it somehow connected with the oil prices? Prices during Yeltsin’s reign were somehow like 25$ and during Putin’s like 80$ on average. And one last thing. Russia doesn’t have economy, they only have oil and gas.

          • bobmattfran

            Nonsense, they have an economy which is growing and they have trading partners who don’t give a toss about illegal US sanctions. Try China and the BRICS countries who detest US interfrence.

          • Marek Skibiński

            They have the economy that’s struggling. 2013 – 1,3% gdp increase, 2014 – 0,5% and 2015 – probably 3% fall, while in the previous years it has rissen by 3-4 % annually. Yes, they have other partners, it doesn’t mean however that UE sanctions doesn’t affect them – Europe is by far their biggest market. One decision from the US government to supply Europe with shale gas and there is no russian state the next day.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            It’s sad that the US and the UK seem to think that they matter and are the major players on the world stage. They aren’t, and it’s all our own fault. When your insane and twisted elites do everything they possibly can to destroy the people who created, maintain, and continue to further, your empire, and replace them with violent and low-IQ savages, the countries that don’t do that are the ones that rise to the top. If you also hamper your institutions and organizations with PC and diversity claptrap, at the expense of the best qualified, you fall behind.

            We in the West have embraced and enthusiastically champion every gross and unnatural ideology, yet can’t seem to understand why we are failing. Hmm…it’s a mystery! But I like Russia’s resurgence of traditional values, return to their culture, religion and roots and even though I am an American. There is nothing about so-called Western “values” to support and champion, when those “values” demand that you destroy yourself and your society.

          • michael

            Return to traditional values? Do you mean beating up gays, Jews & other minorities? How about the murder of journalists, and the major networks now being Kremlin mouthpieces. How about the return to an authoritarian government who uses it’s power to stifle opposition & free speech. I guess you feel that this is some right -wing paradise.

          • knvbhol

            Before you finish media-driven your generalizations about Russia, How about looking at our own gov’t for a second before you go sounding hypocritical? How about a “democratic” gov’t that is slowly taking away the rights and freedom of speech & privacy that our ancestors fought so hard for us to gain? How about our gov’t being run by oligarchs and corporate interests? How about our own problems with Racism and tolerance of Gays? How about our news and media comming from 5 monopolist companies feeding the same trope from coast to coast without any alternative sides? How about the crackdown on whistle blowers and journalists for sharing America’s dirty devious little secrets? How about America dominating the world one little bit at a time all in the interests of maintaining their superiority? You seem to think you live in a corrupt-free country, where your gov’t is allllll about the people. Meanwhile, they can scare you into thinking that ISIS or terrorists or Russians are gonna come get you while you sleep or shop. All the while your gov’t goes and topples gov’ts left right and center for their own interests and preach to the world about humanitarianism and human rights while supporting gov’ts and regimes that do nothing of the kind, (until that is of course they don’t need them anymore). I can’t imagine why there would ever be blowback from such situations, can you?

          • Karl

            Gays need Gulag. #StalinWasRight

          • Judy McLean

            sick. you should be ashamed you pathetic little worm.

          • Karl

            These infidel goyim think that they are G-d’s Chosen, yet they continue to break sabbath, they continue to eat pork, they continue to cohabitate with Menstruous women.

            They aint got the stones to be Jews.

          • Tonino

            jews are not even arabs, like Hebrews. They are the shi t ty impostors. Converts. The race for pest control You know, the gasses and all… As that jew hitler suggested be done to his own ilk.

          • Erique Lamont

            MileJunkie56, said corruption was worse, and if there is more money in an economy and you haven’t rooted out corruption, then the corruption is worse. Why is this hard for you to understand?

            Russia’s major contributors to wealth are oil and gas, and we’ve seen how the dropping prices are hurting Russia. Putin said he’d make things better for his people and he hasn’t, what he has done is essentially bring in a Mafia structure of unquestioning loyalty, the guy is practically unchallenged by indigenous media and most certainly not by any Russian brave enough to voice an anti-Putin opinion…look at the girls from Pussy Riot, imprisoned because they dare to perform a song criticizing Putin, and i being imprisoned demonstrated that the church in Russia has no moral courage, in fact seems to have ties with Putin.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            No, Pussy Riot was imprisoned because they desecrated a church. They trespassed and trashed a privately owned building, a crime that usually results in jail time everywhere in the world. I personally find it refreshing that at least the Orthodox Church doesn’t seem afflicted with the madness of the Western churches. If you’re so preachy about “moral courage”, you might want to read the Bible. The churches have zero responsibility to conform to social justice garbage, especially because it’s a perverted and wrong interpretation of the Bible and Christianity.

            Not everyone is willing to commit cultural and religious (and racial) suicide and I’m glad to see it. When your very own Anglican church lets Muslims pray there, says stuff like “all religions are great” and basically refuses to believe that it’s special and worth preserving, no wonder you believe the nonsense you write, and no wonder people don’t go to church any more. I know I don’t want to sit there and have some simpering, weak willed “dandy” wearing a Kunta Kinte cloth preach to me about tolerance and acceptance, when that seems to be code for “destroy your race, culture, and religion, spit in the face of tradition and your ancestors, allow every foreigner for everywhere to come to your country and essentially take over.” Is THAT what you mean when you say “moral courage”? Because to me it seems like plain old cowardice, laziness and complacence, all couched in some preachy, holier-than-thou tone designed to shame others into being weak willed cowards so you don’t feel bad about your dereliction of duty to your culture, race and country.

            However, nature abhors a vacuum and if people who think as you do really believed in the BS, you’d be preaching it to the hostile and violent foreigners that now infest your once nice little island. But you don’t, you’re scared of them and scared of being called a racist (my goodness, that’s worse than having your children gang-raped it seems! Maybe THAT is moral courage?) so you attack Putin and Russia. You’ve got real problems in your own country, so to preach about how other countries should conduct their business is just absurd. Clean up your own house first…but I suppose you’ll be extinct in another 50 years or so, so it will cease to matter. What a shame.

          • Nomid

            Destroy your race? Yeah, heard that one before… Now when was it?

          • Judy McLean

            Right…I’m sure the church in Russia loved the pussies screaming in their place of worship….

          • Novorrossiya

            LOL, yeah, americans have only a word for corruption, “lobbying the congress”

          • MileJunkie56

            Why don’t you spend some time reading the Federalist papers, and then tell all us what, in your esteemed opinion, is wrong with lobbying? And while you’re there, name the wonderful country where you live, since apparently there is no corruption there?

          • bobmattfran

            Oh please. The world is no longer stupid the world knows that the US is controlled by the Zionists via AIPAC. How often does Kerry nand the other duplicitous windbags have to crawl of to Tel Aviv to bend the knee to netanyahu?

          • Dogsnob

            Judging by your posts, one little part of the world at least, is stupid.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            THIS. So sick of my fellow Americans blatantly ignoring this fact. It doesn’t benefit the US, or any other nation with that problem (most nations in Western Europe and now Ukraine), all it gets us is unwanted vibrant diversity, a garbage economy, fiat currency and a hostile and foreign ruling elite that have never made any secret of their hatred and plans to exterminate European people. But when you control the media, the government, the school system, the banks and every other source of power, you can say what you want and people will believe it.

          • MileJunkie56

            Pathetic anti-semitic POS. I have too much self-respect to get into any kind of discussion with scum like you.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            No, it means you can’t argue with the truth, so you fling insults and claim the moral high ground.

          • MileJunkie56

            I don’t consider anti-Semitic idiots speaking truth. I think they are sick rabid dogs who suffer from mental disease. And I don’t have anything to discuss with them. You can join them and discuss your own sick theories about Jews, Zionism, Tel-Aviv, AIPAC, etc.

          • knvbhol

            How is the alleged anti-semtic comments he made any different than what most on here are saying about Russia? I’d say anti-antisemitism and the Russo-phobia that is occurring lately are no different. People in Ukraine talk of Russians like Nazi’s talked of Jews in the 40’s for Christ sakes. None of this ignorance and hate helps at all. As if it’s any of your own hate too, it’s just being pumped into you by our bull-shit lying media who works for all these power heads of state, all fighting for your attention and your allegiance to their ideas based off of broken fragments of what we want to believe vs. what is actually real. Give me a break. We all have opinions but almost all of them are borrowed. The minute we resort to name-calling, character assassination, and marginalization of opinions, these conversations go nowhere and you get a bunch of ignorant idiots who all think that they’re experts in what they are talking about – which in the greater case, leads to pointless fighting and eventually war. This is how your gov’ts play you. All of you. Divided we shall fall.

          • MileJunkie56

            “How is the alleged anti-semtic comments he made any different than what most on here are saying about Russia?”

            I think the difference is pretty clear. You can dislike or disagree with what Putin does to Russia as its leader, and have nothing against Russians as people. Ditto for Ukraine. IN case of Ukraine, for example, I’m one of the people who knows them intimately, know all of their problems, history, etc. And then one sees zoological anti-Semitism which manifests itself by a) total lack of interest in discussion of the issue, e.g. Putin’s war on the West; b) hate and venom towards the author of the article due to who she – allegedly – is (though it’s a well-known fact that Jews biggest haters are often Jews themselves; see Noah Chomsky, for example), whom she married and such; c) blaming Jews, Israel, AIPAC, Zionism (though none would be able to define or describe it) etc. for every and all problems in the world.

          • knvbhol

            People are gonna jump to the Jew card any chance they get in America, but they jump to it for a reason. However, no one is talking about killing Jews, they are pointing out the gov’t and media’s association with an Israeli agenda. OI agree, it’s off topic but this article writer speaks like a solid right wing lackey, sounding an aweful lt like the hawks that staunchly support war or are israel supporters. But hey, if pointing that out is antisemitism, I won’t be able to convince you otherwise if you believe it so strongly.

            And if you Ukraine so well, then you will see that out there, many Ukrainians talk of exterminating the Russians in their country, (and not just the militias, but all Russians), including Tymashenko (sp). When these types of articles flow, it promotes Russo-phobia which in my opinion is no better or no worse than the antisemitism you are concerned about.

          • MileJunkie56

            “…the gov’t and media’s association with an Israeli agenda.”

            What is the famous “Israeli agenda”? Is it fighting terrorism? Not allowing Tehran to acquire nuclear weapons? Fighting Muslim extremism, which Israel is doing for 60+ yrs. Or being the only vibrant democracy in the Middle East?

            “…solid right wing lackey, sounding an aweful lt like the hawks that staunchly support war or are israel supporters.”
            So, anyone who thinks that Putin is waging the war on the west, is a “solid right wing lackey”? Like, say, Kelly Ayot? McCaine? Andy McCarthy? George Will? A gazillion of former CIA directors, army generals, intelligence professionals, etc. etc.?

          • knvbhol

            The Isralei agenda is maintain their state while checking the threats all around them. Now I ask, why do they face so many threats? America’s dedication to them is soley mutual values (religious base), mixed with an obligation to protect them after WW2 and maintaining a solid ally in the mid-east. Lots of what America does in the desert is done to also appease the Israelis as well as the Saudis.

            With regards to you quoting my right-wing comparisson, I should ask you almost the same question; so anyone who remotely hints at an Israeli/Zionist connection with politics and their frustration with it, is anti-Semitic?

          • MileJunkie56

            “why do they face so many threats? America’s dedication to them is soley mutual values (religious base), mixed with an obligation to protect them after WW2 and maintaining a solid ally..” Well, the threats are part of how the UN set up the country in 1948, it’s history. But USA only supports Israel since 1973, when Nixon saved Israel’s hide in Yom Kippur War. Until then USA was kinda neutral, if not pro-Arab (oil). As a matter of fact, it’s a well-known fact that Stalin was the most helpful tool in passing the 1947 UN resolution creating Israel.

            Now, having a reliable ally in the most unstable region in the world is certainly good. Also helps that Israel can test a lot of latest weapons created in the West. But I don’t think appeasment of Israel is the reason for US posture in the ME. Israel paid dearly in 1990-1991 for supporting US-led coalition, not being allowed to fight yet suffering a lot of rocket attacks by Saddam.

            “anyone who remotely hints at an Israeli/Zionist connection with politics and their frustration with it, is anti-Semitic” Of course not. I have problems with some Israeli policies. Israel is a democracy, they allow and tolerate dissent (many of their neighbours in the ME just kill those who disagree). Plus, Zionism really has nothing to do with most of Israel’s policies…It was a movement to establish homeland for Jews and gather them in it. It’s no longer a driving force or prevailing idea. It just became a swear word for many Jew-haters and anti-Semites.

          • Tonino

            “vibrant democracy”… HAHAHAHAHA !!!!

            You are a f oo l.

          • MileJunkie56

            Why don’t you go choke on your bile, you anti-Semitic piece of shit?

          • Tonino

            Can’t. You are already choking on it. You seem just what I envisaged: a conservative turd, feeding off of other people’s bile.

            Teach you little som’tin now: to be ANTI-semitic, I would need to dislike arabs as much as I dislike jews.

            No can do, you stupid ignorant. jews are NOT Hebrews, so they do NOT qualify to be Semites, like arabs. Your “semites” are of turkish/middleeastern origins, but not of Semitic gene. Go learn some history before further shitting in your own mouth while trying to s hit over others.

            Stupid little ignorant moron. Probably one of those juden too.

          • Tonino

            These Hebrews are fine:

            http://www.truetorahjews.org

            You juden zionists are what they want exterminated. I merely agree with orthodox Hebrews.

            Stupid little junkie. You will teach me only how YOU eat shit and bile when pressed with the truth. Nothing else can come from you. Little closet nazi shit. You do not even understand how much of an idiot you are with that texan flag you use, while calling ME anti-semitic.

            You are one highly undereducated anglo-saxon moron. I hiope those semites (arabs) that are flodding whatever your shitty country is, teach you a lesson soon. Ghadaffi’s cousin just said as much, warning EU. I wish you were form EU, but given your gigantic ignorance, you MUST be from the usa. The top nazist dictatorship of the world.

            Ironically led by zionist juden… HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • Judy McLean

            I have a better name for you Tonino: Toxic Troll. Shut up, you lower the level with your empty insults.

          • Tonino

            Juda M clean… How appropriate name for a wannabe dictator like you. What happened to the “everyone has the right to have an opinion? In your twisted and perverse world people like me do not have that right, by the sound of you hysteria. Only what scumbags like you say goes, right?

            Guess what, nazist/juden lover. What I say goes. What you say is a crime against the humanity. Don’t like the truth I am saying? Take some poison and the problem solved.

            The truth will be heard. You juden brainwash has reached the end. Go back to where ever you scum came from and leave our Europe clean as it was before you shit came here.

            That is a very fair deal, you must agree. Your juden scum hitler was killing you. All I ask is for you to go home and vacate our homes.

            Forever.

          • Sol

            You are really a nut dude. Take the time to check the facts Tonino put up. And for fuks sake try to understand what Semite really is. He put up a good post for you. Look at what real orthodox jews have to say and most of them are against Zionism and war mongering.

            As for Nuclear weapons. Israel is the last one that can talk. They violated that deal long ago and did so by stealing the stuff from the USA. So please stop the hypocrisy. Israel has 200 nuclear bombs it should not have. Lets start there.

            They are also getting weaker in terms of fighting. The fight with hezbollah resulted in them getting their asses kicked. Look at the stats and you will be shocked as I was

            http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/10/13/how-hezbollah-defeated-israel/

            I am not anti Jew as I already stated I have jewish relatives and friends and most of them do not support this violence and dual agenda Israel has.

          • Tonino

            “what is the famous ‘israeli agenda'” asks this inept ignorant.

            No matter how many times you repeat the very word of that agenda: “zionism”, you will simply NOT understand it, you idiot.

            Read what Hebrews say about your “semites”, stupid turd: http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Neturei_Karta.htm

            Hebrews HATE israel and zionists!!!!! Now, if you were gifted with at least one functioning ganglia, I would try and reason with you about the differences between the Hebrews and juden, your “semites” as you in your untold and legendary ignorance spit against the wind. But as you have just an empty skull on your shoulders, I’ll refrain from debating the facts with an idiot like you.

            After all, you would drag me down to your level, since on mine you cannot participate in an intelligent and informed conversation, and then you would win with your enormous experience in talking shit, being a true idiot that you are.

            For others, redaing this, the true “israeli agenda” is spilled out by that shit of a sub-human being david rockefeller, who said in his “memoirs” that he is proud of being a builder of the new world order where he and a handful of his cronnie swill control the world and tell us all how we should be happy to work for them and live on breadcrumbs.

            Not going to happen while I am alive, juden banker poofters.

          • Karl

            You sound like an anti Semenite to me.

          • knvbhol

            Fuk, talk about generalizing, hey? You sound like a troll who just likes to get a rise out of people. Ironically, you’re a bit like a terrorist when you talk like that. Inciting anger from people for saying dumb, ignorant, hateful stuff in the hopes you’ll drag people down to your level. ISIS is looking for recruits, you would be a prime candidate with how you communicate your opinion.

            But if I have to acknowledge your statement, I would say it’s all how you perceive it and you sir, you perceive it quite disturbingly. I have issues with the Israeli policies, yes, but that does not make me someone who wants to see all the Jews pay for their sins.

          • Karl

            All real Jews support the Esteemed Islamic Caliphate. They will once again protect us from the Hateful Pork Eating Infidels who are of the Roman Mystery Religion.

          • Tonino

            I thought so. You are a juden or a muslie sub-human.

          • Sol

            what you say makes sense. Karl on the other hand you are simpleton. I think a better job for you would be bathroom attendant. At least you could be in charge of flushing all the stuff that is undesirable

          • Tonino

            You sound like a wannabe Marx.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Russia is a culture riddled with mistrust. Anti semitim is racism.

          • Tonino

            Here goes another “I know it all”. Even though you have obviously never been inRussia, and have no clue where the heck is that country.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Don’t need to. I have read widely

          • Tonino

            Yeah, garbage such as spectator, as we can see. Just consider that you may be brainwashed (which is actually the case) by all the garbage of the looney conservatives they feed you with. And being brainwashed you cannot but oblige and parrot whatever they tell you to parrot.

            What happened to that “individualism” you conserves, sorry conservatives, pretend to fight for? You all sing one and the same song. You ARE the collective you claim to fight against.

            Very pathetic.

            “I do not need to SEE for myself, I READ widely…”

            I wonder if you will ever realise that you yourself had highlighted everything that is wrong with you and your wrong side ilk.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I vote Green. Whoever said I was a Tory ? Russians cannot be trusted.

          • Tonino

            Well, you certainly comment like a tory. I am Italian but i do not pre-judge people like you.

            Like you AND torries, to be precise.

            “Russians cannot be trusted.” Is THAT how you vote for the Greens?

            I do not believe that for a second. Only a tory would say something like that.

          • Tonino

            Why don’t we throw all the Russians into a gas chamber then? Would that make torries like you happy?

            And why should NOT then Russians want to do the same, and think the same about you by the way, to you and everyone who thinks about them negatively simply because they READ that somewhere?

            Come on, be realistic. Yours is a paranoia with no reason. It was “western” european imperial forces, british mongrels expecially, who were attacking Russia for centuries, while Russia wanted to make friends with them.

            And we know what happened to all these chihuahuas who were taking on Russia. Every single one got beaten up. Badly.

            So your hatred of Russia, sorry “mistrust” as you claim, is a completely misplaced delusion. Russia never attacked one European country, except Poland for trying to steal today’s Ukraine from it.

            If anyone, it should be Russia to mistrust the west. The west keeps giving it abundance of reasons.

          • Judy McLean

            Russians cannot be trusted? But Americans can be trusted. This is factual? Or a racist opinion?

          • Tonino

            You know s h it about Uktrainians. For astarters, you do not know that almost half of Ukrainians are Russians, and that they are the natives there. You also don’t know that the oldest inhabitants of present day Ukraine are Kozaks, who were fighting AGAINST what you call “Ukrainians” today. You do not know that these “Ukrainians”, who oh by the way were killing both Russians AND Polish in the WWII, are actually mixture of Poles and Russians. Bastards who have still today no clear idea where they do belong. That is why they joined nazis in the WWII and tried to exterminate Russians and Poles.

            You know “intimately” only what comes from behind of you…

          • MileJunkie56

            I can school little shit like you on the subject, but arguing with you is beneath me. Like I said before, fuck off.

          • Tonino

            You can teach only you shit how to float next to you. Moron.
            See, I can swear as well. And even in that I am better than you, although no doubt you have a lot more practice in that. All in all, you are nothing but an ignorant loser with nothing factual to say. Let alone intelligent.

          • MileJunkie56

            “People in Ukraine talk of Russians like Nazi’s talked of Jews in the 40’s for Christ sakes.” Disagree. First, Nazis did not think Jews were people. Ukrainians, many of them, still consider russians to be brothers. Smart people understand the main reasons for fighting, which is ruling class in Russia and to some small degree, in Kiev. They also udnerstand that both countries suffer from the same main issue, corruption, a lot more pronounced in Ukraine that Russia because trillions of dollars being pumped into Russia really improved their economy and living conditions. There is more money and wealth in Russia today than 10 or 15 yrs ago.

            So, Ukrainians I know can’t believe they are fighting people of the same blood, history, language, culture. And the hate is directed towards the marginals who come to fight in Donbass, and Kremlin which supplies arms and ammo.

          • knvbhol

            I have to respectfully disagree to an extent, that hate was already there before the East started to rise up. They had a reason to rise up in the first place don’t forget that, they didn’t just start fighting for no reason.

            On top of that, how do explain the many Ukrainians who do want to see the Russians wiped out from their country as well as from Russia too, both before and after this conflict?? Tymashenko is on record as saying that they should all be exterminated as recently as early 2014. How do you explain Svboda and the ultra nationalists that control small aspects of Ukraine’s political system? How do explain a far-right connection with the UKR state security militias?

          • MileJunkie56

            Look, Ukraine is a complicated place, many diff views there. West is lot more conservative and anti-russian (actually, anti-soviet) than east which is almost indistinguishable from Russia. There is a lot of resentment in the West, and Tymoshenko is just another pol riding the wave (but notice, she went nowhere last year, during elections). She’s not important there anymore. However, anyone who focuses on that part of their history dealing with UNA, Bandera, Shukhevich, etc. is quickly approaching the Russian position. In that part of Europe, be that Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, Polantd, etc. there is no nation which is pure. There are Nazis in Russia today. And during WWII, more Russians cooperated w/Germans than Ukrainians.
            The feelings today is not about wiping Russians from their country, as you said. Ukraine, imho, just wants to be left alone. That’s what Maidan was about. Ukraine wants to become part of Europe. Putin today is positioning Russia as antidote to the West, Europe, USA. In some ways, they come close to Muslims frmo Middle East, who see themselves as pure and religious alternative to the rotten Western civilization.

          • Karl

            Ukraine is the only bulwark to those disgusting Ruskie Commie Jews, the same ones Obama surrounds himself with.

            Commies, Jews and Muzzies. All the same. Collectivists.

          • knvbhol

            You make alot of good points but most often when people discuss Putin in context with Ukraine, all that culture, brotherhood and history, it’s seasonably omitted. Instead, the media (&US gov’t) focuses on this vision of a re-surging Soviet Russia. News flash, they are not communist any more. I believe they have every right to suggest that they may be an alternative to the west’s ways. Isn’t that what BRICS is all about? I think it’s fair to say the west has proven time and again that they abuse their power quite substantially, wouldn’t you agree? They are the sole reason the Middle East is out of control at the moment, from all their meddling and double dealing. I can also see Russia’s perspective about always feeling like their way is always bad, their interests don’t matter, especially considering how far they have come along since ’99. Have they proven nothing to the world if but the fact they can change, be better than they were? Do you and the rest of the world honestly think that Russia would throw it all away for European conquest when they clearly can’t even afford it? Or is it possible, that Putin is finally standing up to the west, trying to maintain a balance if you will by being USA’s check? Because I really believe that what we have here is Alpha Dog USA, not backing down due to pride, ego, and an exceptionalist attitude towards the rest of the world – as if to say it’s their say and no one else’s…? That was very evident in Victoria Nuland’s leaked phone call prior to Maidan. “fuck the EU”. Ya ‘Merica does what ‘Merica wants and Big Bad Putin pointing it out and making a stand is conquest-like, a harkening to the old days. I just don’t buy it.

          • MileJunkie56

            so many good questions…let me try to answer some….

            Does Russia have a right to be an alternative to to the Western ways? Theoretically, yes. Practically, they’ve wasted most of the 20-th century doing it. And in ’91 they arrived to complete failure, the country could no longer feed itself. I think every country can and should choose its own ways; however, there are some basics which empirically proved to be working (free market, democracy), and others (like socialism, communism) not working. They were so in love with the West in the ’90, USA and Europe could do no wrong. Now, they tell their population that the Western Europe and USA are evil.

            “Isn’t that what BRICS is all about? I think it’s fair to say the west has proven time and again that they abuse their power quite substantially, wouldn’t you agree?” Agree with the latter part. BRIC, AFAIK, is nothing but convenient abbreviation for countries who a few years back were developing quickly, had large population, and could potentially threaten USA/Western Europe hegemony in the world. But now, they all pursue their own agenda, and I don’t know of anything which binds them.

            “I can also see Russia’s perspective about always feeling like their way is always bad, their interests don’t matter, especially considering how far they have come along since ’99” Sure they’ve changed. But imho, since ’99, the last year of Yeltsin, who was a true reformer, things in Russian life gotten worse. Not economical but social and societal. Elections are not free, all media is consolidated and under gov’t control, anti-gov’t journalists are prosecuted / killed. Russians have traded freedom for security. Still, as long as its their internal affair, I don’t care. But when they start grabbing other countries’ territories (Georgia, Crimea), it’s a bad precedent. Haven’t the world learn anything from Munich 1938? Plus, what Putin is doing, he’s playing to traditional Russian trait of always blaming something or someone else for the troubles. It’s an age-old tradition in Russia, today, it’s USA being a big bad wolf, cause for all the problems…2 million kids in orphanages, men’s life expectance at 60, horrible roads, corruption, crime, suicides (1st in the world), etc. Add terrible medicine, huge problem with seniors, and decrease in population. No wonder they are looking for scape goats! 🙂

          • knvbhol

            Really good conversing with you, you appear to have a good grasp on most of what you speak of. I wouldn’t have a whole lot to challenge you on aside from maybe your not being aware of anything that binds the BRICS nations together. Perhaps you haven’t heard about the BRICS bank, set up to comepete directly with the IMF? If I’m not mistaken, it’s either just gone live or is just about to with hundreds of billions in reserve backing to be able to jointly succeed as an alternative to a system that has no alternative.

            I do find it interesting that you mentioned the challenging of US/EU hegemnoy in the world. I think Russia is doing just that, and they are using the west’s abuses as a tool to advance their message so they can in their own minds be great again and matter in the world. And TBH, they have some real good points. The agression with which they choose to use is in my opinion the only way they are able to assert themselves because diplomacy, offering partnership, and stiffing bad US foreign policy is not doing them any favors.

            I should add that while I too agree with your scapegoat theory to an extent, I will say that Russia has made many efforts to reach out and be a player in the international community but often they are snubbed, or outright ignored. In the case of Syria, Russia’s intervention with the gas weapons was a direct result of Russia not wanting to see the same thing happen in Syria as it did in Libya and Iraq and it was with their leadership that those weapons got destroyed and US had to back off of an air strike. US of course took credit for all of it saying that without US ultimatums, Russia would never have been able to broker such a deal. Russia’s deal stopped more American intervention, (for now), and save Syria from completely imploding like Iraq & Lybia, (for now). While what is happening in Syria is terrible and they are allies with Russia, I don’t think it can be argued that going into Syria was a good idea after such failures in the region.

            As for Ukraine & Gerogia, I truly do believe Russia & Putin think NATO is out to get them, and their actions in both countries were brought on by western intervention in those neighboring states that have close ties with Russia, interests Russia has every right to protect from what they see is an enemy force trying to surround their borders. Say what you will, paranoia or not, Russia always has a reason to believe the US is out to get them considering their history. If Russia were to do the same kind of intervening on our side of the world and trying to influence nations on the border with America, You can be sure America would lay the hammer down on that.

            So I ask, what is right?

          • MileJunkie56

            First, I agree with your reading of the Syria and Lybia story, the latter was a mistake by US/UK/France, and a huge wake up call for Russia. And there is no doubt that Putin outplayed the amatuer in the White House on Syria. In international affairs, weakness has consequences. BTW, there are serious encroachments by Russians all over the ME and Arab world, beginning with Egypt. Foreign affairs abhor vacuum; as soon as superpower wanes, some other is there to try to replace it.

            NATO is a threat to Russians, and it should be. Serbia/Bosnia in 1995 showed Russia (who until then wanted to join NATO!) that NATO is not their friend. Russian’s behavior since that time shows that NATO is needed as a counter-weight to expansive Russia.

            “Say what you will, paranoia or not, Russia always has a reason to believe the US is out to get them considering their history.” Even the paranoid have enemies 🙂 While US is not a direct threat to Russia (the countries never fought each other, except in the Cold War), geopolitically, USA is Russia’s main enemy, threat, etc. simply because it’s the only superpower which can check Russia’s expansion.

            My hope, since 9/11/2001, was that US and Russia would join forces fighting the real scourge of West, Islamic extremism and terrorism. IMHO, Russia can and should be part of the “Golden Billion” (Russian term, but the one I like). But, Russia today barely qualifies, it does not produce anything, it’s really just a gas station with nuclear weapons…

            “If Russia were to do the same kind of intervening on our side of the world and trying to influence nations on the border with America, You can be sure America would lay the hammer down on that.” Of course. That would violate Monroe Doctrine. Cuban crisis of 1962 is a good example. But today, Russia tries to meddle in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Honduras… So, we can’t say they don’t try.

            I guess for me the bottom line difference b/w US and Russia is – the US never, AFAIK, annexed or attached foreign territory which it came to defend, free or to help, be that Europe (twice), Japan, S. Korea, Phillipines, Panama, etc. Russia did it less than a year ago.

          • Paris Bashta

            Just out of curiosity: do you live in Russia or Ukraine? If not, have you been there?

          • knvbhol

            No I do not. I have tried to get the most in depth analysis of the situation by reading just about everything I can find from both sides of the aisle, as well as freshening up on my history of both countries and geo-political relations. So I would like to think I have a very wide range of agreements and disagreements with both sides/perspectives. What drives my curiosity of all of this is the potential for the conflict to grow in to something much bigger which at it’s current rate of rhetoric, likely will.

          • Sol

            Maidan was fake did you know that sponsored by the USA and the west. How do you explain that on feb 22 2014 an agreement was signed with Ukraine by the USA, EU and RUssia stating that they would enforce peace as long as new elections were held shortly. Yanukovych agreed to this and then wham the very next day Maidan turns violent.

            How come USA won’t release satellite imagery showing that the rebels Downed MH17. You know why because there is no such image. The same holds true for the Anarchist Ukrainian government now; they wont release records of the conversation between the pilots and the air traffic control. Also flight MH17 was purposely taken of its route by Ukrainian Jets. The list of crap goes on and on.

            The West is just ticked off with Putin because he won’t bend down and say Yes mastah.

          • Karl

            Russians are all Commie Jews. We know this, but we aren’t ready to say it yet.

            #TeaParty2016

          • MileJunkie56

            Idiot. You give Tea Party bad name.

          • Karl

            You never heard of the Synagogue of Satan, as spoke of by our Lord and Savior in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9?

          • Paris Bashta

            Actually, for that matter, I’d like to rephrase my question: Are any of you, partaking in this discussion, either live in Russia or the Ukraine, or have been there?

          • Judy McLean

            Not really an appropriate question to ask strangers on an internet forum.

          • Judy McLean

            Thank you. Great insight!

          • Sol

            you are wrong again. Read the previous comments. The term anti semitic is a misnomer and cannot be used. And your response is kind of silly. Say something of value or as they say hold your silence forever and ever amen

          • Sol

            by the way to be anti semitic means you need to be talking against semites and as proven by several top researchers some of which are from Israel. Todays modern jew is from europe and not from the semitic tribes that lived in the area now called Israel. The closest relative to the semites are the palestinians. So a little history might help your case

            http://this-is-not-jewish.tumblr.com/post/34344324495/how-to-criticize-israel-without-being-anti-semitic

            http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Ashkenazis.are.not.the.descendants.of.the.Ancient.Israelites.htm

            Oh by the way I am not against Jews. I have relatives that are jews and very good friends. However. I am just pointing out some facts

          • Dauer_Gast

            Judging from the current row between the US government and Israel about Iran the relation is not that one-sided.
            Even though organizations like AIPAC have too much influence and their behaviour should be described as treasonous.

          • Tonino

            Why don’t yhou do thatg instead? You seem to be the one needing it.

            Badly, judging by the amount of s tu pidity you manage to display along with oversized ignorance…

          • MileJunkie56

            First, you need to learn English. Spelling, typing, writing. Then, a bit of reading comprehension, as clearly at this point, you are either too ignorant, or too dense, to be able to carry the conversation. So fuck off.

          • Tonino

            Good to see that YOU fucked off. Stay there, where ever that retarded and primitive hole is. Ok?

          • Sol

            Dude are you being serious to ask such a question. What is wrong with Lobbying. Let me put it this way brain surgeon. What is not wrong with it is what you should ask. Everything and more is all I can say, otherwise I would have to write a novel and I have not the patience nor the inclination to educate someone who seems to posses so little common sense.

          • Piotr Quaz

            Hi, government-payed “vyebbrigada” troll from the base in Petersburg suburbs. Paszol won, kacapskij rab syna puty.

          • Karl

            I’d much rather be in Kiev than St Petersburg right now. You can get a gorgeous blonde Ukrainian teenager to give you a BJ for a chocolate bar. Half the time they waive the fee as they are so grateful for the protein.

          • Judy McLean

            Sick and shameful.

          • Erique Lamont

            Novorrossiya, “lobbying the congress” is more than “a word”…

            Sheesh!

          • Dogsnob

            That’s three words.

          • Karl

            If you don’t stand for the interests of LGBT friendly White and Jewish Middle aged men, GET OUT OF THIS FORUM!

          • Tonino

            You can’t get a woman in your “democratic capitalism” so Ukrainian “gorgeous blondes” (you have never been in Ukraina, obviously) are the peak of your pathetic sub-existence.

          • Tonino

            So you are a poofter then, huh Marx? Hypocrite. Poofters are mostly lefties and support Russia, despite the homo discrepancy.

          • Baron

            When the KGB colonel took over in 1998, most of Russia’s oil, gas resources were in the hands of few oligarchs, today the State owns almost all of it. What do you make of it, MileJunkie56?

          • MileJunkie56

            Correction: Putin took over in 2000, but it makes no difference, really. He’s consolidated power, created the “vertical” of control, where people at the top, all of them his buddies (see “Ozero Co-Op”), control the people below. Traditional mafia structure. It’s next to impossible to get rid of corruption in this structure. All 22 governors of regions are no longer elected, they are designated by Kremlin. All TV channels and most newspapers are in either state or Putin’s people’s hands (like NTV which is owned by Gazprom). The only more or less independent sources, like Echo Moscow, are only available on-line, and most of them are harassed. 90% of Russian get their news and opinions from TV, which is pro-Putin 7/24. People are leaving Russia, those with talent, energy, ideas, because small and medium-sized business is gone. But for those who live off oil and gas it really does not matter…They only care about themselves…

          • bobmattfran

            So you deluded idiot. The fed which is a privately owned bank which is run by a bunch of Zionists are not the all friends of AIPAC an unelected body which dictates US foreign policy are a good example of what is wrong with the USA, but you wouldn’t see that too bothered interfering in other countries to see the cr@p at home.

          • Gordon Smith

            Blame everyone for Russia’s woes you Anti Semitic Russian Troll. It is all down To that mass murdering tyrant RatPukin how do you know he will not bump you off as he has killed thousands of Moscow citizens asleep in their beds,he may decide to double the amount of post that you have to post and a bullet in the back of the neck if you fail, ask yourself do you trust him with your life?

          • MileJunkie56

            Pathetic anti-semitic POS. I have too much self-respect to get into any kind of discussion with scum like you.

          • michael

            Which Zionists exactly are running the Fed?

          • Baron

            Well, MileJunkie56, let’s leave the question when he got in charge open, focus on Baron’s statement about the ownership of the most precious commodity not many states possess. Why haven’t you addressed it?

            BTW, this bleating about no competition on news and analysis just doesn’t wash. Ever heard of ‘the Rain’? Also, most Russians can get what we also get from the Internet, they don’t have to listen to pro-Putin sources any more we have to follow the BBC and the MSM.

            Btw, you’ve lived in Russia, visited the country, follow politics in the country, speak the language?

          • MileJunkie56

            “ownership of the most precious commodity not many states possess. Why haven’t you addressed it?” What’s there to address? I don’t understand the question.
            “bleating about no competition on news and analysis just doesn’t wash. Ever heard of ‘the Rain’?” Yes, of course. It’s one of very few independent stations, together with ej.ru, Echo Moscow, and some prominent blogs. Their level of penetration is in single digits.

            “…most Russians can get what we also get from the Internet…” Not really. Maybe for you, living in the West, it’s easy. But in Russia, someone living outside of major metropolitan area, can’t easilily get on-line. The problems are not just infrastructure; but also modern equipement, language (try surfing the net w/o at least basic English), etc. Which is why Putler has much lower level of support in Moscow than, say, in Tambov or Tomsk (I happen to have “sources” living there). It’s also the case of easy access, everyone has TV’s. PC’s? Not really.

            “you’ve lived in Russia, visited the country, follow politics in the country, speak the language?” yes on all counts. I have not visited lately, but have about a dozen or more people with whom I’m in touch amost daily. So I am not relying on just Western sources, though I think they (our sources, in the West, CNN, BBC, NYT, AFP, etc.) are a lot more objective then either Russian or Ukrainian ones.

            Did you read this?
            http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/magazine/out-of-my-mouth-comes-unimpeachable-manly-truth.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0&referrer=

            No news for me, but quite enlightening…

          • bobmattfran

            Baron He probably hates the idea because he thinks that socialism is public ownership rather than private corruption.

          • anonuk

            Socialism may be a fine idea in theory, but it depends on a regular supply of honest, upstanding politicians who honour their promises and don’t act to gag or blackmail their ideological rivals.

            Orwell got it right.

          • bobmattfran

            So says one of the deluded cousins from across the pond who’s idea of free trade was to invade Iraq because they refused to sell their own oil in $US. Time you guys took all your tin soldiers home and minded your own business.

          • MileJunkie56

            Pathetic anti-semitic scum. I have to much self-respect to get into any kind of discussion with scum like you.

          • Regula

            What you appear to ignore is that a large part of today’s corruption in Russia is a consequence of the Yeltsin years: the collapse of society with the forced privatization resulting in oligarchs that didn’t care about the people, the impoverishment of the masses to close to starvation and a collapse in life expectancy never seen in nations not at war. The disbanding of Spetznaz who thereafter didn’t have any jobs and turned to security and crime – that disbandment is the origin of the Russian mafia. The floods of false US economic advice that made the problems increasingly worse until Russia defaulted. Putin put the state back on its feet and pulled the masses out of the extreme poverty by paying pensions again. He forced the oligarchs to open the factories and employ the people at the threat that he would otherwise confiscate the factories and open them himself. Putin put Russia back on the map. He is a state leader without any equal. Russia was fortunate to have such a man that could reinvent Russia as a world nation. What you also ignore is that the IMF and the US were the main drivers of that forced privatization and the disbandment of Spetznaz and the introduction of capitalism serving mostly US corporations but not the Russian people.

            Yes, there is corruption in Russia – but not worse than in Italy and in the US just more openly visible. In the US corruption is the norm and part of the US state form. It just isn’t known enough abroad, because the Europeans aren’t tuned to understanding that many moves of the government, court decisions and corporate business deals are all governed by the government to serve a pretty corrupt foreign policy and an inland policy that is downright cynical.

          • MileJunkie56

            First, thank you for thoughtful reply. It’s a rarity here 🙁 2nd, I don’t think Yeltsin was faultless, but he did not start corruption in Russia, either. Yes, it bloomed during his times, but only because Russia became a wild-west of speculation and privatization. It (corruption, bribery) existed forever in Russia. And certainly, I don’t think privatization was done properly. But the important thing is, it was done. Privatizing Russian economy was not an easy task, and I don’t think there is a lot of precedent or history on this subject. Yes, u r correct, a lot of people became poor, prices skyrocketed, oligarchs stole a lot of property (but then, didn’t someone say that every large fortune has crime at its root?). The “false US economic advice” was the best ideas, albeit untested in real life, which western economists could master at the time. The environment was ripe for crime, fraud, Ponzi schemes (like infamous MMM), etc.

            However, when you say “Putin put the state back on its feet”, this was not just Putin’s making, it was the result of years of foreign investments and improvements in economy which started to bear fruit, increase in the price of oil and gas, etc. And when “He forced the oligarchs to open the factories…”, which I think happened only few times and not too long ago, wasn’t this typical dictatorial move? This just proves my thesis that Russians chose security ahead of freedom. His thread to “confiscate the factories” – you liked that? I am no fan of oligarchs, as I said, but is this the solution? Nationalize the factories? Have the Supreme Leader take over and run them?

            Finally, when you say Putin “is a state leader without any equal. Russia was fortunate to have such a man that could reinvent Russia as a world nation.”, I can think of couple more – Fidel, Kim Jong-il, Stalin, Mao….In the country which was not properly inoculated against personality cult, having a leader like Putin can lead to terrible results.

          • Regula

            I think you are too influenced by western propaganda. Putin isn’t despotic or autocratic. Forcing the oligarchs to reopen the factories was a move in despair: people were starving in the streets and the oligarchs didn’t want to act in the interest of the people and of Russia. When a humanitarian crisis is so large and so severe, a bit of force applied to recalcitrant oligarchs who after all owned their wealth only because of the pressure applied by the IMF and US to force privatization at a time when that really wasn’t the best move. It is a very long time since any US president stood up for the good of the people. Putin’s was a very democratic move: to protect the people against crooked oligarchs.

            Corruption and organized crime took on a completely different magnitude under Yeltsin. I agree with you that corruption pre-existed Yeltsin: in any country where there is a large gap between rich and poor and between Tzars and their courtiers and lower level officials, corruption and bribery will flourish as the lower level official is badly paid and has to do more work than his higher-ups. Same in the US – just about all lower level city employees are corrupt and want to be paid off whenever they can corner you. IN Massachusetts corruption of officials is so large that one city went bankrupt more than once and in a nearby city the entire city hall had to be restaffed because so corrupt it couldn’t function anymore. Income differences breed envy. For the regular person – i.e. in Cuba, Italy and other poor countries – to get a tip for just about every service for which you already pay a ticket, is normal. In Italy you can get into any sight after hours or right at the end of opening time if you are willing to pay a bit extra. Even in as uncorrupt a country as Switzerland a whole lot more is possible if you are willing to do sth. for the official. If you don’t everything turns impossible. As playwright Berthold Brecht said: “God and the humans are corrupt”.

            While western investment in oil in Russia certainly did help, it is still Putin who redefined the Russian state and who in essence had a vision of what Russia can and could be. The US government doesn’t hate Putin because he is despotic – he isn’t – but because he is such an overarchingly good president that the US cannot get Russia and its resources under its control. The US likes weak leaders who are corrupt and accept US dominance of their state – i.e. Poroshenko who is completely betraying the Ukraine people and spending the loans for a war that serves only the US not Ukraine. while doing nothing to further the economy.

            While you appear to believe unquestioned the US description of foreign leaders like Fidel Castro – I would dare you: Fidel liberated Cuba from the horrible regime of a US installed dictator, changed Cuba into a socialist state who resisted the US for some 60 years and preserved its independence. Cuba would have done well without the US embargo. Any state that is embargoed will have difficulties building its economy. True that Fidel was a bit too communist and that agriculture could have been better developed in Cuba. But Cuba has one of the highest literacy rates in the world, has well trained and educated medical doctors who go anywhere in the world and are usually there first after a disaster. Cuba also has an advanced medical/pharmaceutical research that is very good. Give Fidel credit for what he did achieve. Not everything worked – but not everything works in the US either, up front the neo-liberal turbo capitalism of the neo-cons.

          • MileJunkie56

            I’m afraid I don’t have time now to address all of your points. But I will start, nevertheless.

            “I think you are too influenced by western propaganda”

            Well, I don’ call it “propaganda”, it’s information, which I admit, I get most of mine from Western sources. And it beats the Russian propaganda 🙂

            “Putin isn’t despotic or autocratic.” I don’t know why you think so. Everything he does lately proves just the opposite. Now, sometimes it’s needed, because, as we in the West have seen in the last 10-15 yrs, democracy sometimes leads to pretty unfortunate results (like, Hamas taking over Gaza as a result of elections, or Egypt being ran by Muslim B’hood, until Al-Sisis took over). Still, it’s done by one person, ergo, it’s autocratic.

            “Forcing the oligarchs to reopen the factories
            was a move in despair: people were starving in the streets..” But, it was an autocratic move!

            “…oligarchs who after all owned their wealth
            only because of the pressure applied by the IMF and US…” I would not blame IMF and esp. US for privatization and oligarchs stealing huge chunks of Russian economy. This was completely Russian government’s fault, due to its corruption, incompetence and being in cahoots with many oligarchs.

            “It is a very long time since any US president stood up for the good of the people.” Well, US doesn’t need it any more. But when it was needed, there was Whiskey Rebellion, and Washington handled it pretty well, didn’t he?

            2 more points and I have to run: there is a pretty well-known Corruption Index published annyally by Transparence Int’s. See http://www.transparency.org/country. I rely on it when claim that Russia (and Ukraine) are equally corrupt, one is 136-th, another 142-nd out of 175 countries.
            Finally, you seem to be enamored with Cuba, and while I’d love to rebut most of your points about it one by one, I just don’t have time right now. So, for the sake of the expediency, I’d like to use the “open gates test”. It goes like this: when the gates of the country are open, are people running out of it, or into it? Applying that simple test to USA, Russia, Cuba, etc. kinda tells the story….

          • Regula

            I mostly don’t agree with your reasoning. But just one comparison: is Obama an autocratic leader because he vetoed the Keystone pipeline and because he decided on the immigrant’s rights under his executive power?

            But when another democratic president makes a decision he is a despot?

            Most of your reasoning leaves out that you base it on double standards. Some is just downright false factually.

          • MileJunkie56

            Of course Obama is behaving like an autocrat. All these executive orders and all. However, imho, veto of the pipeline is allowed by the Constitution, so here he’s following the law. (His opposition is purely ideological, of course).
            “…when another democratic president makes a decision he is a despot?” That’s not the reason Putin is an autocrat (“despot” is something different). He rules the entire county himself. Courts and judges, like in cases of Navalny or Khodorkovsky, are nothing but puppets. The governors are no longer elected, they are designated by Putin. The Russian constitution was completely ignored when Putin got himself elected for another (3rd) term. Freedom of expression is suppressed, freedom of speach is barely there (like I mentioned before, most mass media is in Putin’s hands; there are some small radio stations like “Echo Moscow” and “Rain”, and couple of web-based publications, which are constantly harassed).

            Looking fwd to your explanation of what was “downright false” in my prev. post.

          • Regula

            You and I don’t see Russia or Putin the same way nor do we see the US the same way.

            Putin is far from governing all of Russia by himself. Also, while the governors were appointed once, they have since all been elected, in free and fair elections.

            Moscow courts are in every respect world class courts. The judgments for Khodorkovsky and Navalny were entirely fair, even lenient in comparison to what criminal punishment either would have received in the US.Khodorkovsky is one of the people who made his fortune by buying his oil company during the forced privatization during Yeltsin’s admin. He evaded millions if not billions in taxes. In the US he would likely have gotten a much longer sentence for it, because the amounts were so large, the evasions continued through a long period of time and he really knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the state together with his partner Lebedev. In the US that would likely have added up to a life sentence. Just because the US gov. howls that its all political doesn’t mean that the case didn’t have substance.

            As to Navalny – he was convicted of fraud on two occasions and not jailed because he is political opposition. In the US he would be excluded from political office. So would Khodorkovsky. Because the US clearly paid and tweaked both of these guys to serve its interests, and therefore hoped to get them into political office, doesn’t mean that the courts didn’t make a correct judgment.

            While admittedly there were political reasons for Putin to eliminate these two figures from government, both of them really eliminated themselves with just too corrupt actions. How could anyone trust that a man who knowingly and intentionally and willingly defrauded the government by evading taxes will not defraud and betray the people? Clearly, that isn’t possible.

            With Navalny the political connection is not really tenable: in an election for president, Putin would far outdo Navalny. No comparison. And I’m sure that the Russian people see the qualitative difference between Navalny and Putin: Navalny is really no more than a bag of hot air. He wants to fight corruption and gets himself convicted for fraud twice! Navalny is a joke, not a serious contender for political office.

            Russia has guaranteed freedom of speech. There are some exceptions for hate speech, incitement to terrorism, not unlike the way they exist in the US. As to freedom of expression – you should go look at Russian modern art: did you look at the photographs of the opening of the Sochi Olympics or the lightshow in Moscow, or the performing arts, movies etc.? There is absolutely no inhibition anywhere what cannot be expressed. In the west, it is enough that the Russians don’t want advertising of homosexuality to children (i.e. below age 16) and everybody howls that it prevents free expression. It’s nonsense. In the US advertising for child pornography or pornography to children is prohibited too. In some states children aren’t even allowed to believe that evolution makes more sense than creationism!

            As to the press: if you go read Itar Tass English, Echo Moskvy, RT, RIA Novosty and some other papers (i.e. websites) that have an English version ( I don’t speak Russian, so I can’t read the Russian ones) there is really very little propaganda in those publications. They mostly relay in facts what happened inside Russia or abroad if it concerns Russia. RT has some very interesting interviews and generally a broad variety of news, true, geared to the US audience as concerns choice of news so it is relevant the the reader/viewer. RT always documents what they relay in video clips and photographs. You don’t have to just believe that the media tells you the truth, you can see what goes on with your own eyes on the clips.

            Russia isn’t neo-liberal and does not believe in neo-liberal turbo capitalism. Its banking system does not follow the US/EU Rockefeller/Rothschild Zionist model. Which is a thorn in the eyes of the US gov. because it can’t control the Russian financial system.

            I mostly read both, the western press and the Russian and Chinese press. If you want to know what happens in the world in terms of facts, you have to go to Russian and Chinese sites. If you want to be told what you should believe that things are, often in emotional terms i.e. Christiane Ananpour’s productions on CNN, you have to read the western press: they strictly publish what the State Department/White House want people to believe. There are very few facts in those sites and no substantiation at all of the few facts they do mention. Example: since the war in eastern Ukraine started, the western press howls that the Russian army is invading Ukraine and helping the rebels in Donbas. No substantiation whatsoever. Recently, Kiev sent some photographs of Russian tanks, which they claimed crossed the border into Ukraine., to Congress. It turned out that the photographs were taken in Georgia when Saakashvili attacked russian peace keepers in Abkazia and Russia fought back. Congress was furious, rightfully so. Beyond the offense, the fact that Kiev sent false evidence of its assertions that Russian tanks cross into Ukraine, proves beyond any doubt that the accusations are false – or surely, they would have some genuine pictures to show! The US has surveillance satellites over Ukraine that can read a license plate – surely, if there were Russian tanks in eastern Ukraine, the US would have some pictures to show! Nothing. Well, when there is no evidence to substantiate the allegations, then the latter just aren’t true.

            As to Putin governing Russia alone – I think you expect more genius than even Putin has from a state leader. In reality, Putin always listens to all sides, many decisions are made by others. But Putin does make sure that all pull in the same direction so the pulling of the cart has some positive effect. Not by squashing any opposite view or input. But by integrating the various sides and approaches. That is the talent he has: to integrate various opposing standpoints into a coherent approach. As opposed to the US where Congress handicaps itself by blocking any rational, sane solution and then calling it “democracy”. But that isn’t democracy, it is a waste of time and effort. Whatever the democrats propose, the Repubs cry no. Such an approach is obstructionism, it doesn’t add depth and breadth to any decisions, it prevents coherent decisions. In Russia, they all like their country and everybody in their government can say what they think. Go watch Glaziev’s speech regarding what should be done with respect to Ukraine (its on youtube, it has English subtitles). There are also a number of video explanations of the massacre of Odessa and the violence in Kiev on youtube, with English subtitles. See if you see all this as propaganda or if it is acceptable for you that somebody put all the available facts from video made at the scenes together to show that the Kiev explanation isn’t true.

            Last but not least: give RT a try before you accuse Russia/Putin/Russian media of everything the US government claims. Most of that isn’t true and they know it of course full well, but it is what they need people to believe to justify their atrocious foreign policy. One cannot have an independent view unless you take the trouble to read a lot, including some analysis – east and west – until you get a sense of what the reality might in fact be. Clearly it isn’t entirely what either side says. But when no side says the truth, you have to act like a judge: read all sides and see what adds up, what contradicts and eventually you get a sense of where reality lies.

          • MileJunkie56

            “President Vladimir V. Putin signed a law on Tuesday that …. allows regional legislatures to forgo elections and appoint
            governors from a list of candidates approved by Mr. Putin.” NYTimes, 4/2/2013.

            “Moscow courts are in every respect world class courts.”

            Your opinion, not the world’s. The rest of the world thinks they are among the most corrupt in the world. And so are the judges. And they don’t have jury system. So I wish for you to try finding justice there….

            “The judgments for Khodorkovsky and Navalny were entirely fair…” Is that why Russian now owes $50Billion for improper takeover of Yukos? “An international court … ordered Russia to pay more than $50
            billion to the former majority shareholders of …
            Yukos, ruling that the state engaged in a ruthless campaign to destroy
            what was once the country’s biggest oil producer” See http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/yukos-shareholders-awarded-50b-from-kremlin-in-court-1.2720010

            “Navalny – he was convicted of fraud on two occasions and not jailed because he is political opposition.” Because he was framed! People who cross Putin get killed. Check out last night killing in Moscow. Or the case now being heard in London about polonium poisoning of Putin’s enemy Litvinenko.

            “Russia…. banking system does not follow the US/EU Rockefeller/Rothschild Zionist model.” ??? What is this system? Is that the one which created the most prosperouos, wealthy countries in the world? The best infrastructure, the best companies, wealthiest people in the history of the world? Is that “Zionist” banking system? If so, everyone in the world WISHES to have one. Too bad Russia can’t have one because they steeal and cheat.

            “give RT a try…” I am pretty sure I watched RT before you discovered them, when they still called themselves “Russia Today”. Pure Putin propaganda. 7/24. Journalists working for them are not employable anywhere else. They quit on the air when fed up with lied and BS. So you watch Chinese news?

            “Itar Tass English, Echo Moskvy, RT, RIA Novosty and some other papers (i.e. websites) that have an English version” You can’t even figure out the difference b/w independent sources, like Echo, and Putin-created, paid and supported RT, Tass (the reincarnation of “Telegraf Agency of Soviet Union”). Or RIA. The same Putin-controller source. Clearly, anyone who can’t see and doesn’t understand a difference b/w State-controlled vs independent news sources can believe that Russian courts are good, Putin is a great leader, and things in Russia are just great. Just for some reason, ruble is down in the basement, inflation is over 20% (close to 50% for food), GDP is down, etc. etc.

            I have nothing else to prove to you. You clearly think that there are no Russian arms and army in the Eastern Ukraine. Keep listening to RT and RIA, and you will never find out the truth.

            I don’t as they have nothing of interest to me.”

          • Regula

            The only person you put at a disadvantage by reading nothing but the western propaganda media is yourself. You are free to do that. I don’t care. But what you have to say does’t convince. The judgment against Russia was made in Holland – a EU court heavily under pressure by the US who still hopes to sell Khodorkovsky to the Russian people as a democratic alternative to Putin. Unfortunately, the Russians see him just the way I see him: a criminal. BTW, the European Human Rights Court confirmed that the case against Khodorkovsky was not political but amply justified by the facts. Whether the Russian takeover of Yukos was commensurate with Dutch law or not is really irrelevant. Russia made it clear short after that verdict that they will not pay that verdict. And rightfully so. The takeover took place in Russia, under Russian law and rules. That is really all that matters. The crime was committed in Russia and tried and punished in Russia and the state got compensation for the losses from the assets of Yukos in Russia. Any court in the US and the US government would have done the same.

          • Judy McLean

            Very insightful and balanced perspective. Thank you.

          • Tonino

            Complete BS. yeltsin WAS selling everything. Nemcov, who just got killed, was his minister, overseeing “privatisation”, which resulted in millions losing their jobs, s hi tloads of gold leaving Russia, and companies being given to foreigners for a fistful of sand. Nemcov was one of the most hated “democratic” politicians during Yeltsin’s dictatorship. You clearly don’t have a clue how good is today in Russia. Go undertake some education (I suggest basics like reading and writing, to start with as it is obvious you are serously lacking everything) and then think long and hard before you post more of this patronising but highly du mb bs, ok?

          • MileJunkie56

            “You clearly don’t have a clue how good is today in Russia.”
            ROFLMAO! The only reason anyone would says some bull is if he’s been paid to say it. And any idiot saying this can’t possibly be worthy of a conversation.

          • Sol

            I think you have no idea of what you are talking about. Yeltsin Was drunk and was only concerned with how much money he could get. He destroyed Russia. Under putin Pensions have been raised over 3 times. Standard of living has gone up and he has an over 86% approval rating. Russia has become a formidable military power again.

            So get your story right. The west is pissed off now that Putin won’t play ball like drunk Yeltsin.

            Here is one link to help you

            http://www.rferl.org/content/Yeltsin_Destroyed_Parliamentary_Democracy_In_Russia/1292496.html

        • mountain dweller

          Putin and the “Fifth Estate” comes to mind

        • Anzhela Yakimenko
        • daniel edwin

          You are very right if President Putin didn’t stand up to the Americans and the West he would be praised as a Hero but now they demonise him because he stood up to them. This author fails to tell us that capitalism collapsed in 2009 thanks to the greedy traders on the stock exchange market in the USA. Is the author aware that the these traders who went off with billons of dollars of people’s savings were never punished? But a poor black man in NewYork city lost his life for trying to survive by selling cigarettes? The late Mobutu was a darling of the West and the American leadership but DRC was full of corruption during his misrule. Those leaders like the Mr.Orban who act in their national interest ignoring the orders from big brother America are called names what a shame!!!!
          President Putin please go on most countries in the world are behind you

          • Gordon Smith

            What Planet are you on, of course Planet Pukin the fact is that the World is against him that’s why most of the world impose sanctions on planet Pukin stick to watching the alien RT and do not concern your self with what people with brain cells think it will only confuse you

          • daniel edwin

            I am on planet earth with an independent mind and free from any colonial or neocolonialism propaganda. By the way I studied in Kiev when it was still the USSR so I have first hand information

          • michael

            When you talk about Mr Putin going onwards, do you refer to him annexing his neighbours territory?

          • daniel edwin

            No he didn’t annex his neighbours they chose to join him democratically

        • Nomid

          Really?

          I thought the sinking of Russia was because of a totally inept leadership?

          Where is the Russian Apple? The Russian Mercedes? Samsung? Want me to continue?

          It is all replaced by Rosneft and the likes, and there is the Russian problem…
          That there is nobody who is staying long enough in Russia to ever dream of building a succesfull company that has nothing to do with it’s main export.
          For a country with such history, ressources and manpower it is an embarrasment, and a totally obvious display of the failures of Russian leadership…

          Russia has the talent, ressources, and size of population to be a major player, but it has absolutely nothing to show for this…

          Putin had years to help the Russian economy diversify and expand, but he stuck to exporting oil and guns and bullets, and now it is becoming increasingly obvious how failed a strategy that was and is…

        • http://nouvellesdufermier.wordpress.com andrew moss

          Putin has ‘lifted’ 30 billion dollars from the Russian people. He breaks treaties and lies through his teeth. Who wants a leader like that?

        • Sol

          Well said. Its good to see someone has some knowledge of what is going as opposed to most of the mindless parrots here.

      • Guest

        Too often crumbling economies manage to galvanise their people into creative action that crummy economies can only dream of. Just look at Greece. What an amazing example? (Seriously) Lol

        • mountain dweller

          Ex president Leopoldo Galtieri ?

      • Avles Beluskes
      • Cobbett

        You just come back?

    • Elena Gorodetskaya

      so will be yours if you do nothing….

    • On the Balcony

      Pointing to Russia’s economy is irrelevant -its problems may well be temporary. The author is right. Putin is applying the principles of Judo in an all out war against the west. His goal is to create or recreate a Russian Empire, and to have fun. For him it truly is a game, for the rest of the world, a growing nightmare. The West has got to overcome its fears of a direct military confrontation. Nothing less will suffice to contain Putin.

      • foljs

        What nightmare?

        The “Russian Empire” mostly goes about its own business (which, yes, include protecting the 60% citizens of Russian decent in Crimea in Ukraine against an anti-Russian pro-nazi government, who toppled the legitimate leader of the country, a country in its BORDERS).

        The countries that are indeed “nightmares” for most of the world are quite limited, and besides having a marred past of slavery, colonization and exploit, they also go about invading countries 10.000 miles away from them, for oil, resources and control.

        • Marina Dillon

          are you a Russian propaganda troll? Because I am, my family are Russian speaking Ukrainians from the east of Ukraine and we do not need any “protection” from Putin, which always means war, devastation and thousands killed by Russian rocket bomings.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            So do have any “Russian blood” in your family line? What would the Right Sector and the Sloboda (National Socialist Party of Ukraine) gang would to if they find out? How is the Bandera worshipping going?
            How many civilians were killed by the Kiev neo nazi stooge’s tanks and artillery in the Donbass? Strange how the “European values” Kiev US stooge government will make such a question illegal, as in “it is all Putin’s fault”. This must be the new Ukrainian slogan of progress to replace “Slava Ukraine” from Nazi occupation times???

          • Nomid

            Wipe the froth off of your mouth.. Please…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I did that after my coffee a few hours ago. Anything serious to say or is that beyond your ken???

          • Nomid

            Yes… How many cups of coffe can you afford per day in two months time do you think?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            In cloudy London, we have no shortage of coffee, tea, sugar or bananas. Even the Indian mangoes will be arriving this summer. Yum! Yum! Wartime rationing has been over since before I was born. How is the situation in Bandera land? My 188 UAH from 3 years ago sure has gone down in value!

          • Nomid

            In cloudy London ay? Mhm..

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Yes, cloudy and cold in this evening. But not as cold as it gets in Banderaland this time of the year. We benefit from the Atlantic gulf stream, unless the winds from Siberia dominate our prevailing SW winds. Its that darn Putin again! All his fault if we get a freezing spell of weather. How’s the weather in Banderaland?

          • S H

            here is your troll if your looking.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            A troll is anyone who makes your brain hurt because your worldview is challenged. Same old western supremacists!

          • TheDane

            Here you go again! Notice please how little the russian state was in it’s original shape and how many states and nations it swallowed. Soon you are going to claim Lithuania in order to protect some Russians living there because they did not want to go to matushka rassieja. Life is still better there than in Russia.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Do remember, there were only 13 upstart colonies in 1776 and now they have bred into 50. There must be some birth control pill or something? Now the exceptionally expansionist nation claims the whole planet as its sphere of influence. Even the penguins of Antarctica are not safe. Can they eat McDonalds? I vote for penguin independence from the attentions of the exceptionally expansionist nation. No more animal abuse in the Antarctica! Enough is enough!!!

          • TheDane

            Her you go again. To the subject please. And the subject is not USA. Frankly, i did hope that you are an intelligent person but you disillusioned me by using over and over again old communist from late 60 ties propaganda tricks. Or do they pay you lousy so you do a lousy job.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            You are the one that mentioned the titchy size of Muscovy. Then there was this titchy little island called Britain that managed to rule a third of the globe. I suppose that for western supremacists the expansion of US/EU/NATO Borg Collective is by definition a “good” thing, while any expansion of Russia, China, India, Latin America, Caliphate etc must be a “bad” thing, by definition. Once you accept western supremacy it all becomes crystal clear. Well, I do NOT accept western supremacy!
            And that payment you refer to? Is that from a bare-chested Russian judo expert, the well known source of all evil in the world? Well I am quite satisfied with my teacher’s salary in London, but I cannot afford to buy more than a shoebox in the London area!

          • TheDane

            Come back on earth please. Little island ruling a big part of the world was not OK but it ceased ruling. It is the past. Discontinued. Right now we have Russian troops in Donbass not British!!!!
            As to the judo expert. The man is RAVING MAD! Power hungry little Batiushka Tsar. He realizes that the economical and technological gap between his Mighty Empire and free world is so big that even if he got all the blueprints he will never catch up. The only way is to create a havoc and start over again battling each other with sticks and stones. Than the chances of supremacy will be bigger because his subjects can manage without basics while westerners can not. That is what he is steering towards i am afraid.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            In my lifetime it is the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective that has expanded, not Russia. But I know this is what the western supremacists expect as the right and proper course of human civilisation. I disagree with this expansionism.

          • Marina Dillon

            The “blood” factor has never been an issue in the Ukrainian revolution and war for independence. There are thousands of Ukrainian solders who are fighting Russian occupants in the East of Ukraine, who are of non-Ukrainian ethnic origin: Russians, Georgians, Jews, Crimean Tatars. Most of Right Sector members are Russian speaking Ukrainians of mixed and Russian origin. If you see a case of extreme nationalism in Ukraine, especially involving language or ethnic discrimination, look for Kremlin ties behind them. There are no ethnic issues or discrimination in modern Ukraine, of any kind.

      • Frank

        Why, the west just has to sit and wait until the penny drops that a new leader would be a good thing!
        As for a military confrontation, since the Russians are having a pretty tough time over-coming the Ukrainian army, do they really want to take on well- trained / equipped / motivated western troops?

        • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

          Are you sure the encounter hasn’t already taken place? There are rumours about the Debaltseve cauldron. What made Merkel and Hollande go over to Minsk in such a hurry? Were they trying to rescue some dear ones from the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective?

    • Wilber

      The point is Russia isn’t going anywhere. They can continue through a crumbling economy if their people share a common nationalist view. The propaganda supporting that view calls for restoration of the USSR. Russia may not appear to be “winning” based on the current battle (financial and through militant influence), but the Russian people are willing to tolerate a lot of losses in battle so long as they believe the will win the war.

      • Dave Ralph

        They won’t win it though. Russia doesn’t have the staying power. Putin can maybe muddle through a couple of years of declining living standards but sooner or later there is going to be hell to pay. Russians have gotten used to a certain standard of living over the last 15-20 years. They aren’t ready to sacrifice that for a decade-long war with the West.

        • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

          Waiting for Russia to fall! This seems to be habit for western supremacists. These simpletons think that only the “superior and civilised” west value their freedom and country. They should have learnt some lessons after even tribal Afghanistan could not be tamed to love the “superior and civilised” western values.

      • Alex Popoff

        Not true. There’s no restoration of USSR in Russian propaganda.

        Simply russians tired to suffer. They suffered 23 years in aparteid baltic countries, under chauvinistic middle-asian post-soviet regimes. But to become pariahs on their own land, that was the red line. Ukraine crossed it in the 2014. Now the only way for Ukraine – to the grave. Europens should started to think how to live after ukraine funeral.

    • Oleksandr Kuzmin

      War allows Putin to stay in power longer. The main problem is that he could not make a working economy in Russia, was unable to carry out reforms. It has brought his country to a standstill. To disguise this, he started subversive activities in neighboring countries and promoting some fakes in Russia (that all around are enemies, so life will deteriorate).

      Putin also is timorous politician. When Ukrainians ousted Yanukovych (he was like Putin, one more “Tsar”), Putin mortally afraid that he might be shamefully banished. So he started a war in Ukraine to show russians that “the revlution is very bad thing”. Now he can’t stop, that’s why it is a war for the sake of war. As soon as he stops – russians will realize that they have taken away the only idea which they lived last years, and they have nothing instead. Whereupon they will banish him.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        The Ukraine war was started after the unconstitutional and violent removal of elected president Yanukovych by the by neo nazi Right Sector and Sloboda (aka National Socialist Party of Ukraine) gangs. When exactly was elected president Yanukovych removed by the ELECTORATE of Ukraine by elections? Perhaps we could try the same mob rule to remove unpopular leaders like Obama, Cameron and Hollande? I didn’t think so.
        So much for the values of the “superior and civilised” west. It is about time the western supremacists were put in the dustbin of history along side white supremacism.

        • Oleksandr Kuzmin

          Another Kremlin troll.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Poor little darling can’t handle the truth, can you little boy? Now run along and play with mummy! This is a grown up discussion in the UK. Answer the substantive points and drop the childish name calling or you will be given a long detention in your nursery school!

          • LogicAli

            Russia’s “Final Solution” is to Prove that the true Slavs are Russian.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            A meaningless statement. More relevant is the fact that Kiev neo nazi US stooges attempted to ethnically cleanse the Donbass in a so called “Anti Terrorist Operation” to make it fit for pure bred Ukrainians. There are 1.2 million refugees from the Donbass of which 400,000 have sought refuge in the “enemy” Russian Federation. This is a very strange kind of “war” we are supposed to fall for. We are NOT that stupid, after millions got duped by “WMD” in Iraq.

          • MileJunkie56

            ” Kiev neo nazi US stooges” there you go, complete set of Kremlin epithets. How much are they paying you? $30 per day, like the rest of the scum?

          • zodiactimes

            MileJankie, go have a smoke, and chill

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Poor JUNKIE can’t handle his western supremacist world view being challenged! The wee brain must hurt? Now sing:
            troll, troll, troll, or Putinbot, Putinbot, Putinbot, or Krembot, Krembot, Krembot. It will make you feel better. I promise.
            What an ignorant and rude child! Get off the keyboard and play with your toys if you can’t answer the substantive points made or your teacher will give you a long detention in your nursery school!

          • MileJunkie56

            I can handle many trolls like you. You’re a bought and paid for moron. Armenia, like you, is kissing Putler’s a$$. You don’t give a damn about Russian soldier killing entire Armenian family. You’ve shitted all over this thread, rebuked and debunked about 150 times…yet you continue to spread your crap. $100 says you will disappear from this thread, never to seen or heard from again…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Poor MileJunkie. Just can’t accept the fact that I am a British Indian from London. Can’t find London on the map? Need any help?The wee brain must hurt so much! The world is full of people who do not accept the diktats of the western expansionists and supremacists.
            Call them Russian trolls, Putinbots, Krembots, if it helps to soothe your headache!
            Poor brainwashed MileJunkie. What did you junk up on???

          • Judy McLean

            lmao

          • Judy McLean

            Once you’re down to calling someone a troll…it’s time to shut up and move on.

          • zodiactimes

            Or after plane fuel from 2 planes melted the steel beams of 2 towers

          • MileJunkie56

            >plane fuel from 2 planes melted the steel beams of 2 towers

            Another truther! Why am I not surprised?? Idiot.

          • Dr. Heath

            There does seem to be a link between the two pathologies. Trolling for Putler and Trutherism. Weird, isn’t it?

          • MileJunkie56

            I noticed that, too. it is weird.

          • Nomid

            It is part of the “handlers” book… Deflect, defect, deflect, and then if you can find some sympathizers in the heavy conspirators camp, then use it… Putin’s campaign is rallying and buying influence both among the extreme right and the extreme left all over the world, not only in Russia..

            Pointing fingers with the “false flag operation done by CIA” narrative is being used heavily…

            It is the same paranoia narrative that makes it easy for the gullible trolls they recruite to believe at least some of the “enemy portrayal” picture, and justify the hate they sit there earning money spewing…

            That is why you get a mix of 9/11 bull, global warming denial, Jewish conspiracy, Nazi connection, all sorts of fringe stuff… And combined with a “pointing the finger” towards past stupidity by US administrations regarding Geo-politics is an effective “whataboutism” strategy..

            They are betting on at least some sympathy when they mention these things and then having an argument ensuing among the “western readers” regarding 9/11 details or the details of global warming, or Bush vs Obama… That argument serves the purpose of deflection, they muddy the waters with confusion and makes everybody discuss other things than the Russian invasion of Ukraine…

            The only thing they are missing is that the steam has run out from that narrative… They are not flexible enough and the more they use the same “handlers book” the more obvious they become… Especially when all they do when presented with facts is deny end deflect…
            Most honest “westerners” dont argue that way, they at least admit some of their mistakes, and engage in the discussion based on facts presented…
            The “Russian Trolls” reveal themselves mostly by there shear denial IMHO, all you have to push them on some of these facts and it becomes all to obvious that they HAVE to deny no matter what is represented… And that is were it all falls apart for them…

            For me being Danish guy that has shaken his head countless of times regarding US or EU policy i can see their angle and how it might be effective when used as a broad strategy and as long as people are not “experienced” in reading comment sections on Russian and Ukrainian news.

            But as i have said, it becomes obvious even for the casual reader after a while.. The strategy of confusion only works in the beginning of the “offensive” after a while it becomes laughable and counter productive….

          • MileJunkie56

            Excellent summation. I’ve followed enough debates with these trolls (this “Yerevan” here is masquarading as Indian living in London….LOL!) to see very similar patterns. Most objective commenters who support Russia at least agree that Russia/Putin are not flawless. They realize the cost, to them, their country, their children of what’s happening, geopolitically (economy stalling, ruble losing its value, etc.) while there is absolutely nothing concrete they gained by neither Crimea annexation nor fighting in E. Ukraine. Similarli, like in my case, I support Ukraine and its right to defend itself to the extent that IMHO Russia is at fault. That does not mean I necesserily support everything Ukraine does now, or did in the (waster) 20+ yrs of independence. I have yet to see Ukraine beging fighting corruption for real, like Georgia did a few years back. Neither do I agree with that part of Ukraine nationalist movement which borders on xenophobia and ultra-nationalism. Still, in the current conflict, there is one side which can stop killing, and it’s Russia. They won’t for a number of reasons, and it’s a shame.
            Meanwhile, the troll which appear everywhere, be that articles here, or on Yahoo, or WaPost, or NY Times…It’s a well-known fact that there are a number of PR outfit set up and paid by Kremlin, where they pay people to assume western-sounding names/monikers, and post-post-post for hours, defending Russia and name-calling Ukraine and Ukrainians. You can tell by the words they use…and their reasoning…it’s transparent and pretty obvious.

          • Nomid

            I am in the same boat… I see the Ukrainian Ultra nationalists counter movement and hope it doesn’t sink their boat or make them do stupid things, and am waiting patiently for Ukrainian reforms also… Luckily it seems that more and more Eggs are being put in the EU basket (for good or bad), and so far the EU basket comes with conditions on EU like reform, i think the Ukrainians have at least come to the conclusion that they need some kind of outside help to clear out that quagmire of corruption…

            As long as the Russian invasion/intervention is full on then we have to give them the benefit of the doubt, they are in a hard situation here… But we shouldn’t forget our critizism of their failure to reform once things starts cooling down…

            All in all for me it seems like the Ukrainians have “chosen” now how long and winding the road is going to be remains to be seen, but they have better odds than say Libya for cutting that time short?

            I have said it several times that once the Ukrainians decided to put up a fight in the Donbass against the Russian invaders, then Ukraine was lost for Putin, he would never get the influence he had in Ukraine back no matter what happened…

            http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/18/putin-lost-minsk-interview-portnikov/

            Here is a bit of a “rosy” view perhaps, but the long term strategic viewpoints i agree on…

          • TheDane

            Time to see a doctor towarishtch Vivek

          • MileJunkie56

            No, you poor little idiot and paid russian troll. Your agenda is transparent, and nothing you posted so far is true. It was not “unconstitutional” and it was not violent. Yanik ran away, in case you forgot. “When exactly was elected president Yanukovych removed by the ELECTORATE of Ukraine by elections?” HE RAN, you freaking troll.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            “Not violent”! Amazing! What would you call a coup when 100+ civilians and 20+ police die? A Nuland cookie party? But then who cares about 120+ dead in the Kiev coup when 5600+ die on both sides in the Donbass? Happens every year in most EU countries! Nothing to see! Walk by. Time to check the cricket score and see how England were thrashed by the Kiwis in the World Cup match!

          • MileJunkie56

            I know this troll has disappeared from here…yet this moron deserves an answer. 100+ people on Maidan were killed by snipers acting on behalf of Yanukovich. Period.

          • Outraged Canuck

            @Oleksandr Kuzmin: It’s interesting how anyone who expresses a viewpoint that’s different from the Western media narrative is often labelled a “Kremlin Troll” in anglo-saxon message boards. Are you a White House troll?

          • Nomid

            A couple of hints…
            Anglo-saxon message boards? Dead give away….

            And it is not about a different narrative, it is about a narrative that is so preposterous for any outside observer that it is laughable to the extreme, combined with a complete lack or willingness to step outside the Kremlin line and actually have a sensible argument based on readily available facts….

            And also the names… Apparently way over 70% supporting the Kremlin line lives in the west and has english names…

            Yeah… Not very credible…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            There is nothing preposterous about a neo nazi riddled “interim government” Ukrainian government ordering an “ATO” against the Donbass people using tanks, artillery and grad missiles. As a direct result, 5600+ people have died on both sides, all given the seal of democratic and legal approval by the “superior and civilised” west. Truly barbaric!
            NOT IN MY NAME!!!

          • Nomid

            Just in time… I had a feeling you would prove my point…

            Sidenote… Why don’t you sport a Russian flag?
            There is no doubt you love the “fatherland” to an extreme degree…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            And what point would that be? Care to elaborate?

          • Nomid

            That you are a troll Vivek… Simple as that… And either you are getting paid for it, or it is much worse.. You truly believe in what you regurgitate… Or worse yet, both…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Oh, it is the “much worse” option. I am stating the facts as I see them. I am not blind to the deaths caused by US/EU/NATO expansionism in Ukraine. Are you? Just how many deaths must there be in the Donbass to prove the power of the diktats (aka international law) of the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective? 5600 not enough? How about all 6.7 million of the Donbass people. After all, they would deserve nothing better as they have made the “wrong” choice to keep their links to the Russian Federation, unlike the right “European choice” made by the Kiev US neo nazis stooges.
            Western supremacism in action!

          • Avles Beluskes

            “I am not blind to the deaths caused by US/EU/NATO expansionism in Ukraine.”
            NATO is only supplying Putin’s cronies with alibi for terrorism in the Donbass. Head of NATO is an old buddy of Putin, Jens Stoltenberg. BTW: a member of his Norway Socialist party seems to have been Holocaust denier or not?

          • Avles Beluskes

            “Just how many deaths must there be in the Donbass to prove the power of
            the diktats (aka international law) of the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective?”
            Those deaths are on the account of PUtin’s power which needs of the largest number of “Russian civil victims” to shut the mouth of the opposition within Russia.
            Putin is only a new Hitler, propped up by the Western world. At a precise moment, like happened with the other Hitler from Austria, the tide will reverse and “Mother Russia” will be disintegrated likely happened with Nazi Germany and definitively Cathlicized and presided by the Jesuits’ Order.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Kiev US neo nazi stooge government had a choice to talk about the federation of Ukraine like the US, Canada, Germany or Australia. Instead of talking the Kiev stooges took the advice of CIA and the Russia haters of the US and launched an “Anti Terrorist Operation” against the Donbass people using tanks and artillery.
            SLAVA UKRAINE: INTO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY!

          • Avles Beluskes

            Putin needs of the “Nazi stooges” and needs of the blood of Ukrainian Russian speaking of Donbass to justify the tyranny on Russian people.
            GRU is very able to drag the fire on the civilians of Russian language no more or less than did by Stalin in WWII

          • Avles Beluskes

            EU and Putin’s Russia services murdered at Smolensk in April 2010 Lech Kaczinski and other 96 people.
            The only lucky of Putin is the EU which use the terrorism of GRU known as “ISIS” in order to hide the deep crisis of European Union.
            FSB and GRU always manipulated Ukraine and their first goal was to start a bloody war aiming at the maximum of losses among the same Russian speaking population of Donbass.
            In Chechnya they murdered thousands of civilians by the hands of Pro-Putin Chechen gangsters, but no Western media ever covered that massacred.
            Western media are the filthiest in the world with thei continue support to the Putin’s tyranny, meanwhile in his country the journalists and opponents are also murdered, here Russia Today and Sputnik are welcomed, as well the billions of dollar worth bank accounts in Liecthenstein and Switzerland of Putin the same.

          • Marek Skibiński

            If any present government is neo nazi, than it’s most likely russian.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Nazi is as nazi does. The Kiev neo nazi US stooge government launched an “Anti Terrorist Operation” against its own people in the Donbass, 90% of whom had voted for the violently deposed elected president Yanukovych. The “ATO” forces used tanks, artillery and grad missiles against the cities of Donetsk, Lugansk and Gorlovka, which has resulted in thousands of civilian deaths.
            Truly the pinnacle of achievement for the “civilised” west, which gave its full democratic and legal approval to the “ATO”. Truly disgusting!
            Then check out the neo nazi chief of Kiev oblast police, Mr Vadym Troyan.
            You may prefer to bury your head in the sands. No one can help you.
            But, as a crutch, keep in mind that these are “good” neo nazis because they have made the right “European choice” and so kill their own people for the good of the supremacist west. They are “our” neo nazis and so can do no wrong.
            TRULY DISGUSTING, DEPRAVED AND MORALLY CORRUPT!

          • Marek Skibiński

            What neo nazis? Are you insane or what? Putin has raised a rebellion through his own agents and local traitors supported by russian “volunteers” and equipment from the start. Then, when they started to fail, he invaded Ukraine. Brutally invaded independent country with democraticaly elected government, a country that was prior to this not hostile to Russia (now it obviously is). He did it because he is a tyrant, trying to build an empire, tyrant, who came to power by democratic means but who remains in power through propaganda and the elimination of political opponents. That all makes Russia one of the very few present countries similar to the Nazi Germany.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Poor brainwashed Marek! The “democratically elected government” of Ukraine just loves to kill its own people in the Donbass, claiming it is just killing “Russian invaders”. The 5600+ dead on both sides, have all been killed “democratically”, haven’t they?
            This fiction of “Russian invaders” is quite a brilliant idea to get the support of a Russophobic, expansionist and supremacist west.
            Did you find out about the neo nazi chief of Kiev police, Mr Vadym Troyan? Or could you not be bothered because he is a “good” neo nazi who has made the correct “European choice” and loves to kill the “subhuman” Russian speaking Eastern Ukrainians, who have made the wrong “Russian choice”, as the Russian Federation is NOT a foreign country to them.
            Poor brainwashed western supremacist Marek!

          • Marek Skibiński

            When people are killed in such a conflict, it doesn’t have anything in common with democracy of course, but if there is anybody brainwashed on this forum it’s you my friend. When the country is at war and is defending itself and they’re people dying, it doesn’t mean government is killing their own citizens. If so, then maybe England was killing its people, when they have defended against nazi invasion in 1940? Next thing – so he is probably a nazi, so what? He shouldn’t be a police chief, it’s obvious, but you know the phrase “all hands on deck”? Ukraine isn’t in a position to choose, who will defend them against russian invaders and unsuprisingly one nationalism mostly hates another, that’s why so many of nationalists in ukrainian voluntary troops. But does this mean that the ukrainian government is nazi? In the last elections nationalists have won 3% votes in Ukraine parliment, none of these parties are in ukrainian government while in Russian paliment Zhirinovsky’s party has won 12%, not mention other parties like communists, attached to russian nationalism. It says a lot about both these countries. If these two, were your only arguments, that Ukraine government are nazis, then they were very weak ones. Instead of this I’ll once again show similarities between nazi Germany and todays Russia: Imperialism (Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea), homofobia, racism in treating its own people, like Chechens, regarding their own nation for being superior to the others , militarism (60% of russian boys undergo cadet training similar to Hitler Jugend and many of them join paramilitary organisations like Cossacks financed by government), increase in military spending by 400% in recent years. One last thing – that “western supremacist” – hilarious 🙂 Really made me laugh.

          • Judy McLean

            You’re out of touch buddy.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            No neo nazis in Ukraine: check out our wonderful pro EU/US/NATO boys in Ukraine:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            No neo nazis in Ukraine: check out our wonderful pro EU/US/NATO boys in Ukraine:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

          • bobmattfran

            Ignorant idiot.

          • Marek Skibiński

            Learn something about today’s Russia and then call others ignorants. Imperialism, lack of political freedoms, propaganda in the media, homofobia, racism in treating its own people, like Chechens, regarding their own nation for being superior to the others, militarism (60% of russian boys undergo cadet training similar to Hitler Jugend and many of them join paramilitary organisations like Cossacks financed by government), increase in military spending by 400% in recent years. I could count further but I have already given enough reasons to justify the comparison and I’m not saying it’s a Germany from 1939 but maybe from 1934?

          • bobmattfran

            A highly selective sketch, carefully avoiding comparisons to the neocon/facist USA who go to great lengths to brain wash their young men in the military to the same if not a greater extent. No mention of USA imperialism disguised as “peace keeping” and trotted out with American “democracy”.
            I know quite a lot about today’s Russia and even more about the corrupt warmongering religious fruitcakes in the USA who have sold their miserable souls to devil in their endless pursuit of world domination. I have not time what so ever for apologists who ever they may be, but in Ukraine it is the US who are funding and support the present day Nazis, and certainly not Putin or Russia.

          • zodiactimes

            Poor Avles, not a single thought that is his own…

          • Avles Beluskes

            I have no thoughts of mine own because I don’t believe to be God – thoughts are given by God and the self-pride of Putin’s cronies talks loud how they think to be gods themselves.
            the Kremlin’s gangsters pumped up the secessionism in Ukraine, no more or less than they pumped up Wahhabism radicalims in Chechnya, with a GRU/FSB fed “Islamic” terrorism, the alibi to kill ten of thousands of Chechens and to destroy any national independency movement in the perifery of the RF.

          • bobmattfran

            No you bow down to the USA hence the lack of thought process.

          • Avles Beluskes

            Yes i bow down also to USA, a country where the Christians of Europe fled to to escape the persecution of the Catholic church, which now is propping up Putin because has to end the Schism of 1054. This is a religious war of the Jesuit order and Putin is used to unify Catholic and Orthodox church. The Putin’s regime is a regime of assassination of the Free Speech, and if the same standards should be applied here in the Western world you would not even post a single word under this article.

          • bobmattfran

            What a load of tosh. look at what the USA is today? A corrupt, greed infested warmongering nation, run by a bunch of born again christain fruit cake neocons who are so warped that they deny science. So arrogantly stupid that they ram their faux religion down the throats nof their young military. America is a sick joke and certainly not a democracy. When a “democracy” needs the Patriot Act to control its citizens because the government no longer has any moral process, then the gov ernment is nothing more than a Nazi dictatorship.

          • Avles Beluskes

            Evidently you suffered very much when Soviet Union is collapsed

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            It was the Kiev neo nazi US stooge government that gave the orders to kill the Donbass people with the “ATO” using tanks, artillery and grad missiles. Sadly, Putin, REFUSED, to accept the referendum result of the DPR and LPR to leave Ukraine and join the Russian Federation. If the cries of the Donbass people had been accepted as those of Crimea had been then the Kiev neo nazi US stooges would have been facing the full military might of the Russian Federation.
            Putin all along has been working to keep Ukraine together as a federal country, but the free Donbass people will have to agree.
            Why should the Donbass people agree after the terror and violence meted out to them by the forces of the “democratic and civilised” west???

          • Des

            Aviles: I am in total agreement. Soon the West, allies, NATO, Australia, NZ, Japan, S Korea, Mid East will reach critical mass opinion of confluence and they will get together to call Putin’s bluffing, Putin is really scared of what he knows could be in stock for him, If he knew he was stronger than the allies and the world he would have waited for NATO to cross his red line, but he is really running scared. He dare not fire off a nuclear missile as Kremlin will slap him up. He opened a Pandora’s box of baddies coming his way

          • Avles Beluskes

            Just look since after 911 how alterantive media has been submerged by the “CIA & Mossad” engineered 911. This distraction dragged the attention away from Putin’s forces causing ten of thousands of casualties among civilians in Chechnya (with civilian burned alive too, no need to wait for ISIS), and especially all this “conspirology” terribly helped to shut the mouth of the ones pointing the finger on the guys at the Kremlinl who, of the control of Islamic Terrorism and Wahhabism, were and are true masters, meanwhile CIA remains an eternal schoolboy (just give a loo to the Moscow bombings & Beslan Siege which was an alibi to authoritarian modification on Russian constitution – by Putin, of course).

          • Des

            Avles: well said guy. I like your comment, You can read the situation very well.

          • Danefae

            It is utterly pathetic to continue shouting about US/EU/NATO expansionism when it is Russian soldiers demolishing killing and raping inside Ukraine. Your garbage is gulling !!!

          • bobmattfran

            Its even more pathetic for the land of the not so free to avoid the responsibility for their actions. Victoria Nullan at the last count was an employee of the US State department. The same Victoria Nullan who gave $5Billion to a bunch of terroist thugs to kill Ukraine policemen, create riots and help destabilise the legally elected government of a soveriegn state, in direct contravention of the UN protocols, that in istself was an act of war so don’t start making apologies for the real warmongers, the USA.

          • Judy McLean

            Is that why Russia is the ONLY country sending humanitarian aid to Ukraine?

          • bobmattfran

            Why don’t you crawl away and wrap yourself in the flag together with the west of your demented warmongering born again christain fryuitcake neocon friends. The US has its dirty bloodstained hands in every corner of the world pushing their faux democracy.

          • Nomid

            I am from the EU and an Igtheist… Nice try though…

          • LES1

            Kremlinoids always use the term “Nazi” for non-Russians because they are still trying to bamboozle the world into thinking that Moscow [AKA – Muscovy] did not start WWII in cohorts with Hitler and the Nazis.

            Kremlinoids refrain from mentioning that Moscow bombed the civilian women and children in Helsinki – without a declaration of war – in 1939, because those facts are not included in the homo-sovieticus Soviet Encyclopedia. [Today they are “bombing” Ukrainian women and children – without a declaration of war !!]

            Homo-sovieticus decided to use the term “Great patriotic war” (6/22/41 – 5/9/45) rather than WWII (3/15/39 – 8/15/45) even though WWII continued for most Eastern European (and Germany) countries until the 1980′s or 1990′s, because of the systemic occupation and enslavement by Moscow and the Kremlin’s KGB.

            Unfortunately, for Georgia, the ungrateful barbarians in the Kremlin decided to invade An Eastern European country in 2008 {Georgian territory}, AGAIN!
            Georgia lost about 50% of their male population helping to save the USSR.

            {Actually, the USSR was just a huge Potemkin village put on the map of our planet – in reality it was just a continuation of Muscovy}

            After what Moscow did to Georgia in 2008 – in “gratitude” for saving the savage uncivilized pagan barbarians in the kremlin, the Georgian “Red Army” veterans must be rolling over in their graves.

            Sincerely,
            LES

            PS Ukraine lost one in four of its population during the Second World War, [protecting the savage uncivilized pagan barbarians in the kremlin] the largest losses of any country and about 20% of the total deaths.

            PPS Now the savage uncivilized pagan barbarians in the kremlin decide to invade and occupy Ukraine again – in gratitude? [Today they are “bombing” Ukrainian women and children – without a declaration of war !!]

          • MileJunkie56

            “neo nazi riddled “interim government” Ukrainian government” was legally and legitimately elected by 55% of Ukrainian citizen. Fucking troll.

          • zodiactimes

            Poor Junke, what were Ukrainian people to do when they’ve lost the legitimate president to a coup?

          • zodiactimes

            You should add a 0 to your number, it would be closer to the truth. Otherwise, do not throw pearls to the swine

          • zodiactimes

            You have no facts, you’ve been eating propaganda. If you want facts, go to eastern Ukraine.

          • MileJunkie56

            You’re an idiot. Go to Eastern Ukraine? Is that the best you can say? Clearly you’re out of arguments…

          • Novorrossiya

            I’m spanish and support Putin and I can prove it saying “me cago en la puta q te parió” wich is spanish slang. .Coño ¡¡

          • Nomid

            Путин – хуйло… Get that?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Maybe he is a Con-Troll? As in the “superior and civilised” west (US) must control (EU/UK stooges) or destroy (non-compliant Russia)?

          • MileJunkie56

            Canuck, there is such thing as plurality of opinion. If you don’t like what Canadian media is saying, read American, or British, or German. Are you not a bit surprised they all are saying the same thing? If you are, you are not canuck and you have no idea what freedom of press means. That’s precisely what’s missing in Russia.

          • zodiactimes

            They all are saying the same thing because all major media outlets in the west are controlled by 7 families. Go check it out. I did.

          • MileJunkie56

            Idiot. ALL media in Russia is controlled by 1 person. Putler. And you’re clearly his studge.

          • Thomas Alan

            “Stooge”

          • MileJunkie56

            You’re correct. (it did look strange to my when I typed it)

          • Thomas Alan

            I agree with you. Just want to get the power of the word to him. Trolls are the armpits of humanity.

          • Richard Baranov

            Actually I like ‘studge’, sounds like a cross between stodgy and stooge, reflects the mentality of Vivek nicely. Like your avatar MileJunkie 🙂

          • MileJunkie56

            🙂

          • bobmattfran

            Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, What a an insane joker you are!! Youw will be trying to convince me next that Fox News is an unbiased news channel!!!! Grow up you nit wit!

          • Thomas Alan

            Actually your line should of read “expresses a viewpoint that has a “”different world view””. You blew it. Read the script again and it will all be clear to you.

          • Caroline

            I just asked the same question. I think that it’s some sort of pathological DENIAL that many ACTUAL Europeans are not buying the US/EU propaganda. I am as English as they come and I have been called a Russia troll. Just because I question the propaganda.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I am as British Indian as they come and they keep calling me a Russian troll, Putinbot, or Kremtroll for the same reason. If they call me that at school I would give them a long detention and call a meeting with their parents.
            Perhaps the deranged darlings are telling me I was a Russian in my previous life? Who knows? Hindus like me do believe in reincarnation!

          • Caroline

            Have a read of this short article http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/anti-putin-propaganda-not-working/ about how the Western media is so perplexed as they don’t seem to be winning the propaganda war. I think it is amazing how people really believe if you don’t agree with the propaganda message you must be a Troll. Is it too beyond them to actually question that maybe it’s just the voice of their everyday readers who are European! God Forbid. Personally I am becoming tired but also on a darker side rather frightened as this is like the incessant rhetoric before the Iraq War. Are they preparing us for a war with Russia. The mad NeoCons are mad enough to do this, thinking they will win. Win? At what cost if half the world is blown away. It really is time to stop blaming, staying stuck in the problem and start working out the solution. I think we have treated the Russians with an unfairly heavy hand that will take decades to regain (if ever) their trust. USA’s latest colour revolution was without doubt their most stupid foreign policy plan ever. Just remember Nulands feelings towards Europe F**K Europe. Well yes if this blows up and runs out of control we certainly will be F**Ked.

          • Baron

            Excellent posting, Caroline.

          • Caroline

            Thank you. But as this article says we the public have to make our voice heard. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41066.htm The propaganda coming out of the US is frightening beyond frightening and people don’t seem to be able to connect the dots. Do they want to die?

          • krazikanuk

            I am and proud of it !

          • Avles Beluskes

            “Guys! Don’t kill me – I have small children!” – 15 years from the tragedy in the Chechen village of Novy Aldi: 5-6 Feb. 2000
            Written by Administrator

            Wednesday, 18 February 2015 17:34
            by Victoria Poupko, Boston and Vladimir Krylovsky, New York

            http://www.chechencenter.info/n/52-history/2262-guys-dont-kill-me-i-have-small-children-15-years-from-the-tragedy-in-the-chechen-village-of-novy-aldi-5-6-feb-2000.html

          • bobmattfran

            No he’s worse than that, he’s a shill for AIPAC.

          • Kennybhoy

            New to Disqus I see Maister K? 🙂

            The sure sign of a shill!

          • S H

            yep; the author mistaken when he writes about it being a central Euro thing. They’re here and on US internet forums.

          • zodiactimes

            You are an Ukrainan nazi troll. Learn better English first

          • Caroline

            This is what I don’t understand. When anyone doesn’t agree with the US?EUA rhetoric they are accused of being a Russian troll? Have you ever thought it is real a European voice? Also there are many voices who I could call US/EU trolls? What about them? Or are they not trolls because they agree with you?

          • Richard Baranov

            Voting himself up! Someone posted a video about how you can do that on the Telegraph comments. It was quickly removed by the Telegraph as were my remarks thanking the person who posted it.

          • Sally

            So when someone speaks the TRUTH you label them a Kremlin troll. That is the most obvious line to come up with when you cannot counter the truth. There is so much photo and video evidence of what Vivek is saying is true yet because you cannot prove him wrong you call him a troll. Anne Applebaum is not your friend and doesn’t care about you, so why would you defend the indefensible. Its been written to push an agenda and not in the likes of your favour even though you are supporting them.

          • LES1

            Russian news report: Putin approved Ukraine invasion before Kiev government collapsed

            By Matthew Schofield

            McClatchy Foreign StaffFebruary 21, 2015

            Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/21/257386/russian-news-report-ukraine-invasion.html#storylink=cpy

            Muratov said the document characterized then Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych as “a person without morals and willpower whose downfall must be expected at any moment.” Yanukovych fled Ukraine for Russia on Feb. 22, 2014.

            Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/21/257386/russian-news-report-ukraine-invasion.html#storylink=cpy

            Muratov said the Russian document appears to have been drafted between Feb. 4 and Feb. 15 last year. He said the overall strategy included plans on how to break Ukraine into automonmous sectors, immediately attaching now war-torn southeastern Ukraine to Moscow’s tax union, with a longer term plan for annexation.

            Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/21/257386/russian-news-report-ukraine-invasion.html#storylink=cpy

            The plan suggested “the main thrust should be Crimea and the Kharkhiv region, with the aim of initiating the annexation of the eastern regions.

            The strategy document also calls for a public relations campaign to justify Russia’s intervention. The newspaper did not release further details of the strategy at this point.

            However, Muratov said that the strategy paper contradicts the Kremlin’s claim that it annexed Crimea as a reaction to residents there feeling threatened by Ukrainian nationalists in Kiev. If authentic, the strategy document also would appear to have outlined the precise course of the pro-Russian separatist rebellion in the Donbas, which includes two regions, Donetsk and Luhansk.

            “Now it is finally proven that we did not fight Viktor Yanukovych on the Maidan a year ago,” he said. “He was just a brutal and willing puppet.”

          • Cyril Sneer

            Of course he is, he makes some very valid and accurate points hence why you’re unable to discuss them, so instead you revert to the troll accusation.

        • LogicAli

          At the end of Yanukovych’s presidency state budgeting shows that Donbas region receives 78.6 million dollars of the state budget and 87.5 million for the rest of Ukraine, more than 46% of the budget allotted to only Donbas region, thats 46% budget to an area with 9% of the country’s population. Yanukovych’s estimated net worth is approximately 12 billion dollars, however his official salary for most of his life never exceeded $2000 dollars US/month. His 75 million dollar home, which was to be nominated for the Guinness book of World Records at the request of Finnish log home builder Honka, contained a private zoo, underground shooting range, 18 hole golf course, bowling lanes, tennis courts a private lake and yacht/galleon, this in a country with 35% of the population below the poverty line (less than 200$/month)

          Monitoring organizations have denounced Yanukovych’s police abuses and vote rigging, the Organization for Security and Cooperation confirmed accounts of voters being blocked from access to the polls and being attacked by Berkut officers when attempting to mitigate the Berkut’s practice of falsifying voters’ ballots. Citizen groups would band together and fight Berkut in order to preserve election integrity and results. When Yanukovych came to power he had reversed oversight measures, established by the last president, that restrained the Berkut’s abuse of citizens.

          I saw this with my OWN EYES Xhuilo. Have you ever been to a “RUSSIAN NATIONAL UNITY” Rally… look it up “RUSSIA NATIONAL UNITY” IS The Worlds Largest Neo Nazi organization , But you would already know that being an expert in Neo Nazis, Right?

          Here is a Short list of the Thousands of Neo Nazi Organizations in Russia.

          Russian National Unity – Divine Imperial Russia (Russkoe imperskoe dvizhenie, RID) – Military Imperial Union of Russia (Voenno-derzhavnyi soiuz Rossii)-NSO- Rossiiskaia pravda partiia RPP – “Shield of Moscow” (Shchit Moskvy) – “North Border” movement – Format 18 – Guestbusters – “Radical Politics” (Radikalnaya Politika) – “Slavic North” group (Slavyansky Sever) – “NS/WP Nevograd” – the Great Fatherland (Velikoe Otechestvo) – “Russkie Probezhki”, “White Saratov” – Great Russia (Northwest) – Wotan Jugend – Gas Ghow – Sparrows Crew de Yekaterinburg – NOMP – (Slavianskoe vozrozhdenie) – Russkaia Perm – “White Saratov” – (Russkii obraz) – (Avtonomnaia boevaia terroristicheskaia organizatsiia, ABTO) – Syktyvkar – (Narodnoe opolcheniie imeni Minina i Pozharskogo, NOMP) – (Pravye za evropeiskoe razvitie) The Right Wing for European Development – (Russkie Moskvy. Komitet spaseniya) – NSI Y NSO – Slavianskaia sila, SS – Soprotivlenie – Vol’nitsa – KSO – The Army of People’s Will (Armiya voli Naroda, AVN) – ESO – Russkii obshchenatsional’nyi soiuz, RONS

          Ongoing analysis since 1991 shows that Russia has over 10 times the proportion of Neo Nazis than any other country.

          The EuroMaidan protests started in November 2013 when Ukrainian citizens demanded stronger integration with the EU. Specifically on the 21 of November, the day that Yanukovych changed his mind about the Association Agreement with the EU, going back on his years of campaign promises, deciding to strengthen ties with Russia instead. On the 30th of November 2013, student protesters were attacked by Berkut officers leading to several injuries and hospitalizations leading hundreds of thousands of protesters from all across Ukraine that came to the Maidan. They rallyied peacefully throughout December calling for his resignation and release those arrested in November/December. Violence escalated on the 16th of January when Yanukovuch signed Anti-Protest laws. Outrage ensued because of the limits the laws placed on free speech and assembly in the country, leading to the occupation of several administration buildings. Yanukovych attempted a concession offering to install opposition leaders to a new government but was rebuffed because the concession was seen as offering positions of power in a corrupt government. Late January the Parliament dissolved 9 of the 12 restrictive Anti Protest Laws. Prime Minister Azarov resigned on January 28th “for the sake of a peaceful resolution”. Talks were attempted in February but failed, on February 18, 28 protesters were killed by Berkut officers. The next two days brought 77 protester deaths, 7 Berkut officer deaths and 330 or so injured.

          -As Prime Minister during 2002-2004 he declared support for Ukrainian membership in the European Union and to help the US w/ the war in Iraq.
          -The 2004 presidential election neither Yuschenko nor Yanukovych received a majority of the votes (many voting “neither”) which went into a runoff where Yanukovych won but was widely denounced by international organizations, governments and Ukrainian citizens of electoral fraud and so a repeat run-off election occurred and Yanucovych lost to Yuschenko 44% to 52% -he afterward resigned from his post of Prime Minister
          -In 2006 a criminal charge was leveled against him of the forging of a judges signature of his acquittal of assault and battery of a woman at the age of 17 in the year 1972, it did not affect his electoral campaign as the statute of limitations had run out.
          -Yanukovych won the 2010 election also in a runoff, 49% to 45%, his first days he continued expounding on his campaign promises saying “Ukraine’s integration with the EU remains our strategic aim”, and that he wants to “create a free trade zone with the EU as soon as possible”

          • Nomid

            That is an absolutely brilliant post… Nothing like a nice dose of facts…
            I cringe every time they pull out the Nazi card, considering the state of affairs for the rampant Nazism and Fascim in Russia

          • zodiactimes

            Show me 1 Nazi in Russia

          • Melp
          • Melp
          • MileJunkie56

            Excellent retort. Somehow, I don’t think the moron named zodiactimes will show his face again.

          • bobmattfran

            I can show you plenty in the USA, the UK, Ukraine and Israel.

          • MileJunkie56

            Zhirinovsky. Prohanov. Shevchenko. Enough for you?Will you now SFU?

          • bobmattfran

            A blinkered fool is easily convinced!

          • Nomid

            I can see that….

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Then VOTE Yanukovych out of power. When exactly was Yanukovych VOTED out of power by the ELECTORATE of Ukraine who had VOTED for him?
            So much for the “European values” of the Kiev US neo nazi stooges!

          • Kennybhoy

            “Then VOTE Yanukovych out of power.”

            Indeed.

          • Roberta

            Such liberal values for a Kremlin troll. Why are you against revolutions?

          • Alex Popoff

            Are you pro-revolution in your country?

          • Roberta

            Absolutely, and the Kleptocrats here aren’t nearly as bad as the one that ran Ukraine then.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I believe in democracy and elections. I am a democrat. Mob rule is so Third World. Poor Ukraine and Ukrainians! Did the Maidan mob really think that removing an elected president violently will be free of disastrous consequences, like the return of Crimea to the Russian Federation and the Donbass rebellion. Which foreign masters were the Maidan listening to ?

          • TheDane

            Fine and convenient logics. Elect a person that promises a lot and after election backs off his promises and the country is yours. They elected a president and he became a “democratically elected dictator and despotic ruler” doing what he pleases. And you, a democrat say “he is untouchable, he is democratically elected”. Congratulations

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            There really is no escape from civilised EU values: we have elections to change governments and elected presidents. I bet the Republican congress feel the same way about Obama every time he uses his presidential powers to bypass congress. They don’t organise a coup! Geddit???

          • Dr. Heath

            The Crimea was part of the RSFSR, the “Russian” part of the USSR and was transferred [internally, between two regions of the USSR, that is] to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in the 1950s. The Russian Federation and Ukraine, at the time of the recent illegal invasion of the Crimea, were independent sovereign states, both being full members of the UN. By 2014, the Crimea no more “belonged” to Russia than Kent belongs to Belgium. The RF post-dates this transfer, something one might imagine a citizen of Armenia could recall properly.

            And where is your hero, Yanukovych? Did his master get all those puppet strings tangled and have to put Lilttle Victor back in his cardboard box? Democrat? Honestly, you’re every bit as amusing as that Herr von Lavrontrop, who lies on command for the little ogre in the Kremlin who pays you to troll for him.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            A coup is still a VIOLENT coup no matter how it is dressed up by western supremacists! No escape!!! Coups are contrary to the civilised values of the EU. And what is this obsession with Putin’s chest? Are you trying to tell us about your fantasies? Please, not now! The kids could be reading this!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Do remember, Dr, Belarus and Ukraine have been FOUNDING members of the UN. I love the way that western supremacist go on and on about treaties and “international” law when it suits their expansionist plans and break the very same when it does not suit them.

            As the very first words of the US constitution states, “WE THE PEOPLE…” Do you understand these words?
            Sovereignty rests with the people of the the US, Donbass, Crimea and the free world.

            Treaties and laws are bits of paper for lawyers and it is the PEOPLE who make it work. Treaties are signed by governments and NOT people. No treaty can be used by western expansionists and supremacists to deny the fundamental rights of freedom of any people. That is the route to slavery to the law, which should serve the people, not subjugate them.

            Right now the Donbass people are prepared to defend their sovereignty with the force of arms. Care to see what happens if the US/EU/NATO expansionists and supremacists try to subjugate the Donbass? Forgotten the lessons of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan?

            None of this should have come as a surprise to the western supremacists. The Donbass people, along with their Red Army, sure gave a good kicking to another bunch of nazi invaders all the way back to Berlin during WW2. Must history repeat itself all the way to Bandera Lvov?

          • Alex Popoff

            In 1954 Ukraine was member of the UN too. So the territorial transfer was not provided according the international law, or even USSR internal law. According to UN law the transfer of Crimea was illegal in 1954. If you will look at more recent events, you’ll see that in 1994 Kiev broke the deal with Simpheropol, canceled Crimean constitution and replaced elected Crimean president by Kievs officer.

            Donbass was transfered to Ukraine in 1920 with Stalin help. Again it was done out of even USSR law. Protesters were sent to GULAG or executed. Again back in 2000-x the group that asked for refendum for Donbass independence was prosecuted by ukr. gvmnt as traitors and imprisoned. Some of them were tortured to the death.

            So west now defend soviet dictators actions and undemocratic kiev gvmnt. Just keep doing it and keep wonder why do russians hate west.

          • MileJunkie56

            They would love to vote him out….but he ran away, remember?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            So every time a PM or President leaves the country he/she is could be removed by a coup? Seems too Third World for my liking. But then our Maggie had some Westminster problems when she was attending an EU summit in Paris.

          • Alex Popoff

            >46% budget to an area with 9% of the country’s population.

            and 60% of Ukrainian export.

            This region feed ukraine for 20 years. If Donbass is so ball on chain so why dont you let em go? Because Donbass is economic heart of Ukraine.

            I saw Yanukovich residence. It is very modest and even cheap for 42 million people country. BTW Yanukovich gifted it to the state after the repair.

            >When Yanukovych came to power he had reversed oversight measures, established by the last president

            Who had 4% rating. But easterners didn’t overthrow him. They let him go and won the elections with Yanuk. Because russian-culture is democratic and ukraine south-east is in russian cultural field.

            >The EuroMaidan protests started in November 2013 when Ukrainian citizens

            You mean terrorists in balaklavas.

            >28 protesters were killed by Berkut officers.

            Stop stop. Investigation didn’t finish yet. And according to facts its opposition HQ from where shooting at protestors was done. So it was provocation from the opposition^ to shoot activists to prepare people for gvmnt coup.

          • Dr. Heath

            The extent to which politics and public debate in Russia are polluted by rampant neo-naziism and a host of other varieties of genocidalist and xenophobic ‘ideologies’ tends to be conveniently ignored by the rest of the world. Is this not another example of the Racism of Low Expectations as regards Russians? If equivalent numbers of German men [the politics of the cesspit is mostly a phenomenon involving adolescent/twenty-thirty something men wherever it’s found] were this involved in an extremely violent German form of fascism, we’d be hearing about it every day of the week.

        • Marina Dillon

          Russian propaganda troll. Accordingly to Russian propaganda, Ukrainian are “neonazis” because they could not tolerate Putin’s corrupt upper imposed on them by Kremlin, stealing about $100 billion from Ukraine before he fled back to his puppet master. They call Yanulovich an ELECTED president, while Ukraine had not seen democratic elections until after Maidan’s victory, they all had been rigged by Kremlin and his local cronies.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Then VOTE Yanukovych out of power. That is what we do in civilised EU. So, when exactly was Yanukovych VOTED out of power by the ELECTORATE of Ukraine, who had VOTED for him???

          • Marina Dillon

            There has never been a chance for a real election in Ukraine for as long as Russia had control over Ukraine’s political processes, which it did from early 1990s till winter 2014. Ukrainian presidents have been appointed by Kremlin through rigged elections. Any pro-Ukrainian presidential candidates or leaders, who were not controlled by Kremlin, were getting killed in car accidents. Some of my friends voted for Yankovich, even knowing that he’d be horrible, because the only other choice we were left with, Yulia Timoshenko, was as bad and equally controlled by Putin. Ukraine was simply left with no choice and no chance to elect their leaders.

          • Alex Popoff

            >Russian propaganda troll. Accordingly to Russian propaganda, Ukrainian are “neonazis”

            Lie. Russian propaganda NEVER blame the ukrainian people, but ukrainian gvmnt.

            >because they could not tolerate Putin’s corrupt upper imposed on them by Kremlin, stealing about $100 billion from Ukraine before he fled back to his puppet master.

            Oh. Please! Pravy Sector with UNA UNSO flags – its corruption fighters? National-socialistic party aka Svoboda – freedom fighters? Ahahahaha)))

            Clearly they are anti-semitic, pussophobic and anti-poles, anti-hungarians chauvinists. First (really FIRST) what after-coup parliament tried to do – its to ban russian language. Ukraine now is fascist state with wide national discrimination. That’s what international observers tells.

            >they all had been rigged by Kremlin and his local cronies.

            Ahahaha)) And kremlin pushed to the power Kuchma who wrote russophobic book “Ukraine is not Russia”? Ahahha))) You lie to yourself.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Marina is hoping that the world will turn a blind eye to the torchlit march in the capital Kiev on the birthday (1 January) of the Nazi collaborator, Pole and Jew killer Bandera. Ukraine is full of “good” neo nazis that have made the correct “European choice”. They are so “cuddly”!

          • MileJunkie56

            There are more Nazis in Russia than in the rest of Europe, combined.

          • zodiactimes

            Junkie, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?!

          • MileJunkie56

            Why don’t you go and and click on the links provided for you above? Where you idiotically asked to show you one Nazi in Russia? How come you have not SFU yet? You’ve been embarassed and it’s time for you to run away with your tail b/w your legs….

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            It is the Ukrainian neo nazi Azov, Donbass, Aidar, Kiev and Dnipro battalions that have attacked the Donbass civilians with tanks, artillery and grad missiles. 5660+ people have died on both sides and the killing continues.
            SLAVA UKRAINE: TO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY!!!

          • MileJunkie56

            That’s complete bull$hit. All of these units, no matter the name, are full of Ukrainian patriots. They come in all sizes and types, but all of them are defending their country from Pulter’s Russia attack. And stop selling this crap about “volunteers” fighting for LNR/DNR, those are terrorists, half of them are losers from Russia (thousands killed and wounded), the rest are locals supplied by Kremlin.

            Is there any doubt anywhere in the world, that if Putin stopped sending arms to E. Ukraine, the fighting would be over immediately?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Yup! Hero Petro was advised by the ignorant CIA that the “ATO” against the Donbass would be over in 24 hours. If it wasn’t then he could blame “Russian invaders” and the Russophobic and gullible west would believe him. What a perfect alibi!
            These “Ukrainian patriots” of the Azov, Aidar, Donbass, Dnipro and Kiev battalions believe in a Ukraine for pure blooded Aryan Ukrainians. No place for “mongol contaminated Russian Slavs” for them in the new improved Ukraine. Just like their hero Hitler and Bandera.
            I hope they get a good kicking all the way to Lvov.

          • MileJunkie56

            Clearly, you don’t have any idea. The incursions into Eastern Ukraine, the provocations, the busing of trolls from Rostov started in April. Poroshenko was nobody back then. You don’t even know the chronology of the events, what the hell are you talking about here? You’re just a dumb Russky troll.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            There was an anti-Maidan in Donetsk and Lugansk after the Kiev neo nazi coup. Russian flags were put up, government buildings were taken over and journalists and Sloboda neo nazi politicians were murdered. All not very dissimilar to the Maidan protests with their infestation of foreign flags and foreign politicians and the violent deaths.
            So why were the Lugansk and Donetsk police not sent to deal with the “Russian terrorists”? That is how “terrorists” are dealt with in civilised EU. Unlike the militarised US, we do not send in the army on a civil disturbance matter.
            Why was the Ukrainian army, with tanks, artillery and grad missiles, sent to the Donbass by the interim government of US stooge PM Yats and US stooge president Turchynov?
            I think the western supremacists and expansionist wanted some Russian speaking Ukrainian blood to be spilled in the Donbass to teach the “disobedient” Russian Federation a lesson over the RETURN of Crimea.
            The western expansionists and supremacists did not have the guts to attack RF directly so a proxy war in the Donbass would suffice.
            Sadly, there seems to be enough Bandera lovers in “European choice” Ukraine to kill other Ukrainians on behalf of the disgusting and primitive western expansionists and supremacists. It seems that 5560+ deaths is just the beginning.
            UKRAINE: WELCOME TO THE NEW YUGOSLAVIA!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            The bussing in of European and American troll politicians to the Maidan started when? But they are honoured guests from the western supremacists and expansionists!

          • MileJunkie56

            For someone who claims to live in Britain, you clearly have no clue, do you? WOuld you stop pretending to be British and admit you’re just a Kremlin troll? Those politicians provided moral support to Ukraine trying to free itself. If you can’t tell the difference b/w moral support and thugs being brought in to create havoc, nothing will help you.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            By moral support would you mean the famous Nuland cookies? I understand your position. Any moral support coming from the liar troll politicians like McCain, Nuland, Biden, and Ashton is all good because it comes from the “good” expansionist and supremacist west. However, any moral support to the Donbass coming from RF is bad and Ukrainian neo nazi stooges call for bans or worse for opera singers because it comes from the “mongol contaminated” “badboy” Russians.
            Such simplistic and childish analysis is truly amazing.

            I also read that a lot of the US/EU/NATO “moral support” has been captured by Novorussiya forces in the Debaltsevo cauldron. Would they be exploding Nuland cookies, by any chance???

          • Dr. Heath

            I’m with you. A friend of mine studied in the USSR back in the early 80s. His reports of extremist anti-semitic riots and vandalism, not to mention overt identification by large groups of disaffected Russian young people with German Nazi-ism were astonishing. And, sadly, unacknowledged realities even in the last days of Brezhnev’s people’s paradise.

          • MileJunkie56

            Totally agree. And in the last 10-15 yrs, as life in Russia got better and more prosperous, it became a magnet for population on the periphery of Russia, former Soviet Republics. You can’t imaging the amount of hate towards those minorities, such as Tadjiks, Uzbeks, Azeri, or Georgians, coming to Moscow to work, or study. Unbelievable. There almost no Jews left there, so now it’s the other minorities’ turn…There is at least one ethnic-related crime, oftentimes killing, by Nazi-crazed youth in Russia, every week.

          • Avles Beluskes
          • Avles Beluskes

            SMOLENSK, APRIL 2010.
            mind that before to accuse Ukrainians

          • Alex Popoff

            What do you mean? That maidan was orchestrated by poland in revenge to russia? Ok. I almost agree.

          • Avles Beluskes

            Maidan was orchestrated by Russian FSB/GRU giving the victory to the enemy – Ukrainian independence, in order then to start an asymmertric war as Jesuits and Bolshviks are silled to do, starting a series of terrorist provocations in order to get chaos and the confusion

          • Alex Popoff

            I’d like to smoke the same.

          • Avles Beluskes

            Lech Kaczinski has been murdered together with 95 other people because he wanted to restore the Polish Lithuanina commonwealth and would have been the third force between the two Whores of Satan, European Union and Putin’s Russia.

            The explosive was set on the plane in Warsaw and the Russian services provided to give false information to the pilots in order to have the least possible altitude at the moment of the explosion and to be able to hide all that as “accident”.

            At the end a killling squad was sent to kill the survivors because at such heights and speed it is difficult that all the passengers could die … many similar cases all around the world demonstrated an high probability of survival in such cases.

            To cause a low level crash was useful in order FSB and GRU to gather all the hard disks of the passengers and to have all the info about .
            Putin’s cronies then kept the wreckage outside under rain and snow in order to allow traces of explosive to be cleaned by the rain.

            Poland would have never orchestrated Maidan because Poland is already under the control of Moscow

            Donald Tusk is the traitor of Poland having planned together with Putin’s entourage the trap for Lech Kaczinski

          • Alex Popoff

            Look, poles are romantics. Russians are realists.

            Poles would like to restore its empire “ot mozha do mozha”. But… its unreal from the beginning.

            Poland can add the headache to Russia in the cases of Belorussian or Malorossiyan separatism, but these lands will never be under poles. They dont have enough power for it.

            How you can see, Moscow will always have an opportunity to resolve the question by force. So poland position don’t have perpective. Its idiotizm. Like russians says not for themselves and not for others.

            Poles have much more in common with russians than with western europe, where they will always be second class people. They fought for independence so bravely and with such dignity, but they sell their independence so cheap after that… Sad(( Really. Russians are not poles enemies, they should know it. But for such “poles” like appelbaum we are natural enemies for sure.

          • TheDane

            what a bunch of crap!

          • Dr. Heath

            Have you thought of having a few English lessons so that your comments are easier to understand?

          • Alex Popoff

            Have you thought of having a few Russian lessons so that your comments are easier to understand?

          • Dr. Heath

            Привет. Я, конечно, предпочитают использовать английский язык, Алекс. те люди которые читают эти комментарии не могут читать по-русски.

            Got that? I spent years learning Russian.

        • jterlouw

          You seems to forget that the former president, stole and sold half of the country and tried by force to keep his position against will of every single ukrainian, there where no nazi’s to remove him everybody wanted him to go away, there is not for nithing a warranty for his arrest. 60 billion usd is gone. So be carefull if you have no idea where you talk about vivek, as i see you dont and just blablabla in the wild west!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Then VOTE Yanukovych out of office. That is what we do in the civilised EU that Ukraine seeks to join. Honestly, removing Yanukovych once in 2004 could pass off as “peaceful democratic Orange revolution” but removing him violently a second time in 2014 can only be a South American style CIA organised neo nazi muscled COUP!
            Let me see about the “force”. Yanukovych was supposed to have given orders that had killed 100 demonstrators and 20 police. Democratic and “European choice” hero Petro has given orders for the “ATO” that have resulted in the deaths of 5600+ in the Donbass on both sides. Just who has more Ukrainian blood on his hands?
            JUST HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK THE WORLD IS???

          • jterlouw

            I see you dont see thing very objective, the protest on maidian where peaceful, i know because i have lived there that time, nobody was shooting except yanukovic men which he got from donbass area and well known as criminal as police refused to fire or hit the people, so not the people started yanakovic started to kill people, again i have been there and had a gun against my head from one of these idiots.
            so i care what i see and have seen by myself, no tv or newspaper where you probebly get your info, I HAVE SEEN IT AND FELT IT.
            IF YOU STEAL so much you can expect people get upsad and want you to pissoff.
            currently russia invated Ukraine, i have seen russian fighters, helicpter above Kherson where i was and know in dknbass are lot of russian militaries, guns, tanks and these people are no volontairies they are russian military with russian equipment as simply ukraine army does not have this stuff. The world is afraid for war, but putin should be stopped in ukraine with al, force and power the world can give!!
            I have lived for four years in ukraine and know how people ghink, they are 2000pefc not what you try to say, however russians only undrrstand the powrr of bullits and lighting up their cities. I therefor hope that russian will be cut of from everything and some smart russian will shoot a bullit ghrough his head, putin is killing russian and believeu me most russians also dont want to fight but they forced by threats on them and family.
            ITS WAR AGAINST RUSSIA NO MORE NO LESS!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            “the protest on Maidan were peaceful”? Get it right! So how did the 20+ police die with gunshot wounds in those “peaceful” Maidan demonstration? Did they just shoot themselves? Just like the Odessa 50 shot and burned themselves? Just like the thousands of civilians in the Donbass who kill themselves using tanks and artillery?
            Amazing!!!
            What do you think would happen if the same kind of “peaceful” Maidan were to take place in London, Paris or Washington?

          • jterlouw

            most of the police who died got killed by own fire or where supporting the maidan supporters and yes the protest where peacefull till yanakovic started to shoot, again i have been there almost daily and no shooting, only offensive.
            than evening janakovic ordered the metro to stop and putted his criminal buddies from east in the metro to transport to center.
            dude your just saying something but have no idea what really happend, maybe you go join russian army? Beside most dead are ukrainians shot by russians, so please keep your crazy mindset, your ideas are not worth to take serious.
            About your question if this would happen in london, i guess police would not fire and kill own people! Which yanakovic did!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Shall we check the bloody score?
            Yanukovych “shootings” 100 v Hero Petro Donbass “ATO” 5600+.
            WHO HAS MORE UKRAINIAN BLOOD ON HIS HANDS?

          • jterlouw

            You have to check this with your buddy putin, ukrainians defend their country, in this matter russia has blood on his hands, dont try to change the story!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Yup! Ukrainians defend their country by using tanks and artillery against the cities of Donetsk and Lugansk. What a bunch of neo nazi stooges of the US! How many more Donbass civilians must die while the Ukrainians are “defending” their land? How come 400,000 Ukrainians from the Donbass have sought refuge in the “enemy and invader” Russian Federation?
            JUST HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK THE WORLD IS???

          • Avles Beluskes

            Old Soviet tactic to drag the enemy fire on the proper civilians. Already did by Stalin who allowed Hitler to enter in Russia in order to mass-murder Jews

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Stalin’s grand plan to ALLOW Hitler to enter Russia so he could murder the Jews? What kind of rubbish do they teach you in brainwashed Bandera schools in Western Ukraine? Same old brainwashed neo nazi Bandera stooges!
            In case you hadn’t noticed, Stalin did his own mass murders. He was quite an expert. Many races fought for Stalin because one could be a Stalin stooge and be of any race or religion. But RACIST Hitler insisted on pure Aryan stock and that his stooges have blue eyes and blonde hair, otherwise it was slavery or the gas chambers. That was the difference between them. One could become a temporary Stalin stooge but it was not possible to change one’s eyes and hair to Hitler’s liking.
            You old history teacher must have been one massive ignoramus!

          • Avles Beluskes

            “How come 400,000 Ukrainians from the Donbass have sought refuge in the “enemy and invader” Russian Federation?”
            Very simple. You create a wall of fire and the front line between them and Ukraine.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            What a load of rubbish. Is this the great wall of China or something? How come the rest (600,000) of the Donbass refugees went west to the rest of Ukraine and other countries. Did they have feet of magic that flew over the “wall of fire”. Amazing fairy stories from the Kiev neo nazi stooges!

            I ask again:
            JUST HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK THE WORLD IS???

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28969784

            Ukraine’s war: The human cost

            5,665 people killed and 13,961 wounded in eastern Ukraine

            Fatalities include 298 people on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down on 17 July

            5.2 million people estimated to be living in conflict areas

            978,482 internally displaced people within Ukraine, including 119,832 children

            600,000 fled to neighbouring countries, of whom more than 400,000 have gone to Russia

            Source: Figures from UN reports, 6 and 17 February

          • Roberta

            How much do you get paid by the Kremlin?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Answer the Question! But if you can’t then sing:
            troll, troll, troll. It will make you feel better.
            Why have 400,000 Ukrainians sought refuge in “enemy” Russian Federation. How come 3 million Ukrainians still work in “enemy” Russian Federation?
            Now sing: krembot, krembot, krembot. It will make you feel better.

          • Avles Beluskes

            I would instead some investigation on the mass murder of 96 high institutional VIPs of Poland in 2010, April, at Smolensk, the same city where three regiments of Lithuanian army contributed to the defeat of the Teutonic order. A great symbol the assassination of Lech Kaczinski around that city…

          • Thomas Alan

            Not nearly as stupid as you think we are. Nice try. You loose.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I see you have no answer to why 400,000 Ukrainians have sought refuge in “enemy” Russian Federation from the war in the Donbass, supposedly attacked by the same Russian Federation. How many Londoners sought refuge in Germany after they were blitzed by the Nazis in WW2?
            JUST HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE???

          • Guest

            400,000 prove it. I think you are idiot shills, who cannot form a complete thought with a script. Would you rather travel 20 miles to Russia or would you rather travel 500 miles through a Russian led terrorist of a war. You are and complete and total idiot. Collect your bloody money shill.

          • Thomas Alan

            You are unbelievably stupid shill. Would you rather travel 20 miles to Russia or 500 miles to the nearest none Russian State through a Russian ware ravaged territory? Again prove your number of 400,000

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Well, Tommy boy, here is the link. Please read carefully but don’t let the Kiev neo nazi stooges know what you are doing. It is a Ukrainian crime NOT to blame Putin and Russia for all of Ukraine’s problems.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28969784

            Ukraine’s war: The human cost
            5,665 people killed and 13,961 wounded in eastern Ukraine
            Fatalities include 298 people on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down on 17 July
            5.2 million people estimated to be living in conflict areas
            978,482 internally displaced people within Ukraine, including 119,832 children
            600,000 fled to neighbouring countries, of whom more than 400,000 have gone to Russia
            Source: Figures from UN reports, 6 and 17 February

            So if you can read the above without getting into a childish rage, you will note where that 400,000 figure of Ukrainian refugees to Russia have come from.
            So how come 978,482 people have found a way to the rest of Ukraine past your war ravaged territory? Magic wings?
            And what are the 400,000 Ukrainians doing on the “enemy” territory of the Russian Federation?
            How come 3 million more Ukrainians are working in the “enemy” Russian Federation and paying their taxes which find “Russian invasions”?

            Do you know what the “civilised” US and UK did to their “enemy aliens” from Germany, Japan and other Axis countries during WW2? They were interned in prisons for the duration of the war.
            So, are the Russians invading the Donbass and destroying Ukraine or not?
            I bet that the Russian Federation is “enemy” territory only for those Galician Ukrainians who are stooges of Bandera, that Nazi collaborator and murderer of Jews and Poles.
            Any connection?

          • Thomas Alan

            Good link. I will give you that. I will have to go back and research what happens to the refugees when they enter Russia. That really is the pivital issue. Are they going to loved ones or does the Russian government have different plans for them?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I bet they go to the GuLAG! Why are 3 million Ukrainians still working in “enemy” Russian Federation???
            If Britain was at war with my birth country of India I would not be living or working in London and would return to India after over 4 decades in the UK.
            The “Russian invasion” of Ukraine is very fishy. I bet it is designed to fool the gullible, ignorant and anti-Russian RACISTS of the US/EU/NATO gang and get a few billions for Ukraine’s sad economy!

          • TheDane

            Less stupid than you are. Unarmed cities are slaughtered by Ukrainian tanks and rockets. Recently unarmed pesants drove the regular army out and by the will power made them surrender at Debalceve. Nobody except a total moron is buying your story mate!

          • Avles Beluskes

            http://smolenskcrash.eu/news-110-15-simple-facts-the-world-should-know.html#.VOcs8i4trIU
            “…..
            – All original
            evidence, including the wreckage and black boxes (property of the
            Poland) are still in the hands of Russian authorities. From the start, Polish authorities worked on copies made by Russian authorities of the original evidence material.
            These copies were such that the Polish Prosecution openly admitted that
            they were unable to use them or perform any operations. On numerous
            occasions the Polish Prosecution had to turn to Russian authorities with
            requests for better quality copies. The
            wreckage had been destroyed, cut, moved and dropped on a nearby stripe
            at the Smolensk Airport where it has been kept to this day exposed to
            weather conditions.
            The Polish committee based its report almost exclusively on the
            information received from the Russians (with black boxes and wreckage
            still being in Russia today). The committee did not even have access to
            the basic evidence necessary to conduct a thorough examination (e.g. the
            wreckage and black boxes). It only had copies of some evidence selected
            by the Russians……….”

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            There is a fundamental law in Physics. Every action has a reaction. Or did you think it would be a walk in the park to subjugate the 6.7 million people of the Donbass. It was not that long ago that these “subhumans” gave another bunch of Nazi invaders a good kicking all the way back to Berlin. The ignorant CIA advisers must have been caught by surprise when they advised Hero Petro that the “ATO” would be over in 24 hours. They must have thought they were invading Denmark in 1939 and not Donbass in 2014. The poor ignorant CIA do get their countries confused. Last time they got Iraq and Afghanistan confused and look what happened to the poor Iraqis!

          • TheDane

            These “subhumans” welcomed Hitler as a liberator from “the only scientifically right social doctrine” brought to them by Russians that made millions of them die of hunger. In the country with best soil and climate for agriculture!. They would deliver Russia on a plate for him but Hitler wanted to destroy them (slaves were subhumans for him) and that was his great mistake. Now Russian invaders are in Donbass. It is not Russia – it is still Ukraine. They have nothing to do there! Period!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            This is what the US/EU/NATO/Kiev US stooges fail to realise. Russia is not a “foreign” country to the Donbass. That is why 400,000 refugees fled to “enemy” Russian Federation and 3 million Ukrainians live and work in “enemy” Russian Federation.
            I am well aware of how both Hitler and Stalin ravaged Ukraine. Millions died. But Ukraine did survive centuries of Russian and Soviet imperial rule. Hitler would not have been so lenient with his well known love of gas chambers and slavery.
            I thought that Ukraine had a chance from 1991 to be free and independent. I was impressed by the peaceful Orange revolution of 2004 and so made 10 trips to Ukraine.
            Now the Ukrainians have discovered their true calling as a nation. How to be used by the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective in their attempt to destroy a non-compliant Russia.
            By their anti Russia campaign the Ukrainians thought they could get billions in loans, visa free travel to the EU and join NATO. All they have done is to destroy their country and burn their bridges with neighbouring Russia.
            It is a pity the landmass of Ukraine cannot be just cut away from Russia and sail off into the Atlantic to kiss New York and Washington. Where is continental drift and the power of plate tectonics when we need it???

          • TheDane

            No matter what Ukrainians did or dreamed of doing Russians have NO RIGHT to sent troops there. Ukrainians did not destroy their country. RUSSIANS did and keep doing.
            Yes, Ukraine had a chance but Putin saw it and stopped it.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            The Ukrainian sin was happening right now a year ago as the they violently removed their elected president Yanukovych. Did anyone check with his voters in Crimea and the Donbass? No wonder Crimea chose to RETURN to the Russian Federation and the Donbass rebelled. What would Tory voters in the home counties and elsewhere do if the Scot Nats came down to London and got rid of Cameron and Clegg with the help of the Germans or Russians, killing 20+ police ???

          • TheDane

            Come on! Not again please!!!. He escaped to his protectors arms. But before he did he backed off on all promises and treaties he signed. Do not twist the fafcts please…..

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Now listen carefully. Cameron escapes to Washington and Brussels all the time. He leaves a deputy in London. We do not organise a violent Maidan outside Downing Street to remove him. We will have to wait for the general election in May to get rid of Cameron no matter how many lies he has told and the number of broken promises. That is how things are done in the civilised EU that Ukraine hopes to join.

          • TheDane

            Crimea chose to join federation as much as Poland did in 1945. Are you a smartie that thinks all others are morons?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            In 1945 Poland was liberated by the Soviet Red Army and then occupied till 1989. Crimea has been Russian since 1783. Do you really think that the Crimeans wish to be attacked by Ukrainian tanks and artillery like the Donbass? Or is it your US/Kiev neo nazi stooge belief that the forces of the Russian Federation have attacked the cities of Donetsk and Lugansk? I know, the “nice” neo nazis of the Azov, Aidar, Dnipro, Donbass and Kiev battalions were just checking out the local Donbass girls and the “mongol blood contaminated” Russians brutally killed them without any mercy??? Amazing!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I know it is the law in Ukraine that all of Ukraine’s problems are caused by Putin and the Russians. It sort of mirrors a deep anti-Russian RACISM in the US and EU elite. I gather it comes from regarding Russians as a bit contaminated with all that “Asian mongol” blood. I bet you know exactly what I mean. I can deride such prejudice as my line is 100% human from India. I thought that sort of ignorant ideas about pure blood Aryans and Ukrainians died with Hitler, but I must have been wrong.
            So do tell: who has refused to negotiate the federalisation of Ukraine? US stooge Yats and US stooge Petro.
            So do tell: who has labelled 6.7 million Donbass people as terrorists? US stooge Yats and US stooge Petro.
            So do tell: who has sent tanks, artillery and grad missiles to destroy Donetsk and Lugansk? US stooge Yats and US stooge Petro. What! You think these weapons only fire flour bombs? What an ignorant child!
            Who took advice from the CIA on nation building and vowed to subjugate the Donbass people? You guessed correctly, US STOOGE YATS AND US STOOGE PETRO!

            But do keep blaming Putin and the Russians. I am sure the hot air will warm millions of Ukrainian homes.
            Personally, I blame Putin for the cloudy weather and the traffic jams on the M25 motorway: Putinbot conspiracy!

          • KEN COUGHLAN

            Looking at Vivek Nariyan statements has shown that he is clearly a paid Russian troll…. mmm

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I understand your problem. Anyone who challenges the western supremacist’s views of the world must be a “paid Russian troll.” The world is full of millions who do not accept western supremacists: billions of your fellow free human beings in India, China, Africa and Latin America. You are likely to meet similar free people in the US/EU/NATO countries as well.
            Such free people believe in an exchange of civilised values on equal terms from all strands of human civilisation not just the diktats of the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective.
            Now sing: troll, troll, troll. It will make you feel better!

          • TheDane

            You are using the old trick from Nikita’s times.” A u vas niegrov bijut”. And in your country they beat niggers – that is- if i do not have an argument i smear the oponent. To the subject towarishtch!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I merely remind you that there are millions of people who will not submit to western supremacists. Calling them “Russian trolls” proves that you have lost the argument and are unable to answer the substantive points.

          • TheDane

            That is right. You lost the argument and quote irrelevant generalization about milions of people… The russian troll is your statement. I never called you a troll…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Sorry about the generalisations. I will be more specific. The 1.3 billion Chinese and 1.2 billion Indians will not submit to the western supremacists who run “international law” and “international finance” and monopolise “civilised values” and claim to be the fount of human civilisation and wisdom.

            As the 21st century continues, China and India will regain their rightful place in the world. No one can stop the genius of 2.5 billion human beings from flowering, unless there is nuclear war or environmental collapse.

            India and China know a lot about western imperialism and supremacism and will not tolerate such stoogery again. They well understand that after Russia they will be next targets for the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective.

          • TheDane

            Amazing. That is one more generalization on the top of previous. Do you think that I and other readers believe that you have a mandate to talk on behalf of Chinese and Indian people? When you do not have arguments you generalize. An old worn out method. When i read your wisdom i recall the propaganda of Soviet Union when it was at it’s best.
            You gave yourself out using that language. Bail out amigo and save what is left of your face.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            You are quite right. I have no mandate to speak for anyone but myself. I am just one amongst 8 billion+ in this world. But as a British Indian I have my views. Western supremacism belongs in the dustbin of history alongside white supremacism. It is time the various strands of human civilisation shared their best on equal terms to create a world civilisation that can reach the stars together. Care to join me in this glorious journey of human progress?

          • MileJunkie56

            >WHO HAS MORE UKRAINIAN BLOOD ON HIS HANDS?
            I know! I know!! PUTIN!!!!

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Who sent the tanks, artillery and grad missiles to subjugate the Donbass? US stooge Yats and US stooge Petro. I hope the Donbass people will give a good kicking to the neo nazi Azov, Aidar, Dnipro and Donbass battalion invaders, just like the ones from Nazi Germany. It is a great pity that many good Ukrainian men and women will die in this process. Such tragedy and madness!

          • MileJunkie56

            >”Who sent the tanks, artillery and grad missiles to subjugate the Donbass?” Everyone in the world knows the answer, RUSSIA.
            >”It is a great pity that many good Ukrainian men and women will die in this process.” Coming from Kremlin stooge, I can only call your statement what it is, crocodile tears. Your support enabled the killers, Russians.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Changing history again, like how the Ukrainians liberated Auschwitz? The “ATO” against the Donbass was started by US stooge Yats and US stooge Turchynov and continued by US stooge Petro, who thought that he could subjugate the Donbass in 24 hours.
            What do you think they sent against the Donbass? Ukrainian virgins to subjugate the men? They sent lethal tanks, artillery and grad missiles.
            Why the surprise? The Nazis lost more soldiers in the Donbass and Eastern Ukraine than in the whole of France during WW2.
            Or they do they teach you that it was the USA that liberated Ukraine from the Nazis during WW2? Poor ignorant MileJunkie56! What did you junk up on???

          • MileJunkie56

            You’re too stupid to understand how idiotic you sound. “The “ATO” against the Donbass was started by US stooge…” — sooooo, Ukraine started Anti-Terrorist Offensive against itself???? OMG, arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel….

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Yes poor man/woman/child ! The “ATO” was started by Ukraine against its own people in the Donbass, resulting thousands of deaths in Donetsk and Lugansk . Or did I miss the glorious Bandera shelling of Moscow, St Petersburg and Vladivostok? Maybe next year, eh? Careful, how far is Kiev and Lvov from Donetsk???
            What an ignorant US stooge!

          • TheDane

            Putin

          • TheDane

            Putin has! And a part of responsability lays on your shoulders for advocating russian military presence in east Ukraina.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            So the 20+ police just shot themselves? With comic bendy guns? Just like how the Odessa 50 burned and shot themselves to death? Just like how the thousands of Donbass civilians keep bombing themselves with comic bendy tanks and artillery?
            JUST HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE???

          • Avles Beluskes

            GRU/FSB false flag operations?

          • Alex Popoff

            Hey man, than ukraine death count will go higher, than ukrainian economic will go lower, than louder will be applause from the world. This is the reality. Bitter truth.

            Shoot yourself and you’ll get the ovation.

          • MileJunkie56

            “You seems to forget…” He did not forget. He knows it well. But he’s being paid to say otherwise.

        • Kennybhoy

          “The Ukraine war was started after the unconstitutional and violent removal of elected president Yanukovych…”

          Precisely so.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            How strange that the same Yanukovych was removed in 2004 by the peaceful Orange revolution. It was after this that I took an interest in Ukraine and went to Kiev 10 times, MORE than any British city! Now I will not go back to Ukraine until the neo nazis like Vadym Troyan, the chief of Kiev police , are removed from power.

        • mountain dweller

          serious, this would happen in in democratic country ! very much like Maggie Thatcher and her unpopular policy of poll tax, the people spoke, her cabinet told her it wont work and she walked, do you see Putin and his mates in the “the Eurasian project who are that far down “a neo-imperialist hole, it will take tanks to get them to leave, its the way it is?

      • Alex Popoff

        >War allows Putin to stay in power longer.

        Like Poroshenko.

        >The main problem is that he could not make a working economy in Russia, was unable to carry out reforms.

        I would like to say like Poroshenko, but actually Putin provided reforms so russian GDP per capita PPP is 3 (three) times higher than in Ukraine.

        >It has brought his country to a standstill.

        Well, world crisis, Italy, germany, poland, china etc. very little or no GDP growth at all. Didn’t hear? Uh?

        >To disguise this, he started subversive activities in neighboring countries

        Putin started maidan?

        >all around are enemies, so life will deteriorate

        No longer than yesterday Putin proudly called Hungary our friends. Egypts, Iran, Serbia, China, India, Brazil, Cuba and many orhers great nations and economies keep friendly relations with Russia and russian propaganda never loose a chance to show it.

        >When Ukrainians ousted Yanukovych

        No. Ukrainians – its 42 millions. Yanukovich was ousted by 1000 terrorists. Mostly from the Galichina.

        >So he started a war in Ukraine

        A war was started when revolutioners decided do not listen to the half of the country and to supress anti-gvmnt maidans in the east.

        >to show russians that “the revlution is very bad thing”.

        We already knew this. We had our own (even two) in 1917.

        >Now he can’t stop, that’s why it is a war for the sake of war.

        Like Poroshenko.

        >As soon as he stops – russians will realize that they have taken away the only idea which they lived last years, and they have nothing instead.

        You are right. We live with idea to destroy this failed state full of aggressive chauvinists aka tupaya derevenschina aka roguli. Putin would like to stop, but for now its the Russian Orthodox Army of Novorossiya decides when to stop.

        • Alex Creel

          How many of Russia’s ‘friends’ will give up their strong economic position and quality of life to enter into a spiralling conflict created by the one nation among them about to go into RECESSION? Countries who have embraced peaceful capitalism thrive, countries who follow an expansionist ideology will be stopped – it’s the power of money, one thing Putin can’t beat

      • Chaos Noir

        You forgot to mention what happens when you get into bed with the EU and the IMF.

      • Grace Ironwood

        It’s more territory for greater Russia and an ingathering of Russian populations. Expect more of it as opportunities arise.

      • bobmattfran

        Thgat explains why the bullying yanks are still in power then all they do is move from one war to the next which they create abd start in the first place.

      • Gordon Smith

        Pukin has to stay in power or he is dead.

      • Baron

        And whom will they get when ‘they banish’ the one who likes stripping to the waist?

        If you think the country will vote for Navalny. you should find a busy road near you, go lie on it. They get someone from the Dugin’s lot, and it’s then we should run scared.

    • danram

      I agree to an extent. But the problem is that Putin doesn’t care. His mother lived through the Nazi siege of St. Petersburg from 1942-1944 and he no doubt remembers her stories. In his mind, the Russian people have endured privations a hundred times worse than western economic sanctions and still emerged a superpower at the end of the day.

      Putin is going to have to be confronted by the west on the battlefield sooner or later. We could do it now at minimal cost. But it will only become more difficult the longer we put it off.

      The sanctions should stay in place and new ones should be added. But we should also begin aggressively arming the Ukrainian military with whatever they require and we should stand ready to give them air support if they need it.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        You want nuclear war? Have you got a bomb shelter on Mars? It would be much simpler to talk to the Russians as equals. But the US/EU/NATO Borg collective cannot concede equality to Russia, China, India or any other strand of human civilisation, can they? They are western supremacists.

        • rcotterill47

          Sigh, you may believe that Putin is enough of an idiot to start a nuclear exchange indeed you may be right but the Russian military are all to aware of what a nuclear war would mean and they love their children too. Putin would wind up in a cellar with a bullet in the back of the head faster than you can say plutonium.
          India and Pakistan nuking each other, entirely possible. The half baked idiots in the middle East using them, if they ever got some, almost certainly. Russia, no because even the dumbest knòws there will be no survivors in that game.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Are you willing to bet your life on the wisdom of the Russian military by pushing for a regime change in Russia???

          • rcotterill47

            You might of missed it but we’ve been banking on the sanity of the Russian military since the beginning of the Cold War. Are you that utterly simple that you think they would trade their familys lives for Putin.
            Nobody wins a nuclear exchange of that magnitude, there will be nothing to survive for even if you did. The people who are absolutely the most aware of this are those in charge of those weapons. If you gave them the choice tomorrow of lining up Putin and everyone of his cronies and shooting them or watching their entire family, friends and communties die in a nuclear firestorm you wouldn’t even get to finish the sentence.
            M.A.D. was the most apt description of the whole stanoff, one that continues today.

      • Alex Popoff

        Another great proxy-warrior.

        UKRAINIANS. Look attentively. They are ready to wage the war with Russia till the last ukrainian. Do YOU need it?

    • Hegelman

      Russia’s economy may be crumbling in conventional Western terms, but
      don’t count the Russians out. They are a tough bunch, at their best
      when the whole apparatus of modern life has collapsed. Most have some
      links to peasant farming. They will simply abandon the consumer-driven
      modern life and become a nation of peasants once again. It will increase the birth rate, since peasants need many children.

      They won’t give up the Ukraine. No Russian will. It’s as Russian as vodka and valenki.

    • Kennybhoy

      Dan52 wrote:

      ‘The author of this article seems desperate for attention. Russia’s economy is crumbling. This is not “winning”. ‘

      Sound.

      Anne Applebaum blathers:

      “…undoing the whole post-Cold War settlement!

      Which is indeed a very amusing notion — unless you think that this is exactly what the Russian speaker, the Russian foreign minister, and indeed the Russian President, a man who once called the collapse of the Soviet Union ‘the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century’, are in fact trying to achieve.”

      For the record I am an old NATO hand, a died in the wool anti-communist who wid’nae piss on the ex KGB thug if he was on fire! But this is nonsense on stilts! The Russians were merely pointing out that Western hypocrisy which sponsors irredentism, secession, ethnic cleansing and the mob overthrow of democratically elected governments when it suits them but condemn the same behaviour in others!

    • MileJunkie56

      Dan52, you clearly don’t know or understand Russian mentality. A famous joke about it goes like this: Russian does not care that his heifer died. It’s more important that his neighbor’s cow died.

    • mike e

      feudal state does not have an economy in a western sense.

    • Avles Beluskes

      And the death of Lech Kaczinski and 95 other people at Smolensk April 2010?

      “……….- Smolensk – no longer a conspiracy theory since 2012. On the 5th December 2012, Military
      investigators admitted to Polish Members of Parliament during an
      official sitting of the Justice Committee that detectors used in
      Smolensk traced/detected explosive materials on the wreckage of the
      plane
      [VIDEO] 5th December Justice Committee transcript in POL
      http://youtu.be/iuM9dMTLF-E and translation in ENG of the actual
      Military Prosecutors’ statement
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hoQ2NIoGA.
      Furthermore, a number of relatives of the victims have come together
      and sought collectively independent analysis of the personal belonging
      of their loved ones. These analyses have independently confirmed
      presence of traces of explosive materials on the belongings of the
      victims……………..”

      http://smolenskcrash.eu/news-110-15-simple-facts-the-world-should-know.html#.VOcs8i4trIU

    • mountain dweller

      do you know her, for a start she is not on the FSB Christmas card list, and an excellent writer
      http://www.nybooks.com/articles/…/dec/…/how-he-and-his-cronies-stole-russia/

    • Dorothy (Dot) Commie

      Too often crumbling economies manage 2 galvanise their people in2 creative action that crummy economies can only dream of. Just look at Greece. What an amazing example? (Seriously) Lol

    • Daidragon

      Their economy is crumbling which makes foreign policy adventures more attraction to Putin and his cronies. A nice distraction from the daily grind. He’s a dangerous man.

    • Sol

      Crumbling really. Do you live there or have family there. I have friends there who say otherwise. Note that the price of oi has dropped but the amount Russia is roughly the same due to the drop in the Rouble, which means it can continue with planned programs.

      Additionally it is divesting from the dollar and paying down debt. Just Google this. Also China has openly offered a life line to them so even then western countries have cut them off, there is plenty of financing available from China and the new Asian bank that has been established to compete with the world bank.

      These sanctions are also giving Local companies a chance to grow and develop and its spurring the growth of new industries. Farming is making a come back that was knocked out due to cheap crap coming from overseas. The largest meat company in Russia has seen its profits more than double since the sanctions as it rushes to fill in the void with local products.

      Steel manufactures are making money hand over fist as Russian steel is now the cheapest in the world. So before you believe all the nonsense out there a little grasp of economics would go a long way. Russia collapsing, I don’ think so.

      We in the USA are more likely to collapse. Look at the mountain of debt we have and we keep adding more than a trillion a year, with no hope of every paying this back. .

    • http://www.volgatrader.com Philip Owen, Volga Trader

      Crumbling is something of an exaggeration. The FIRRE economy is crashing as it does in all economies with a significant resource falling in price (e.g. the UK in the early 1990’s). In the UK we called capital flight overseas investment. But the agricultural and manufacturing economies have just seen their competitors prices double. The rebirth of Russian agriculture and manufacturing has been under way since March 2013 and it is accelerating. It’s crumbling in the right places and firming up in the right places for social progress.

    • http://www.wmperrin.com William Perrin

      The author of this article could easily point out that Russia’s economy means very little next to his [Putin’s] own oil wealth and the investments that he and his 110 cronies have made in Europe and in other places around the world. Putin is the Senator Palpatine of the real world. Anne Applebaum (the author of this article) is a Putin policy expert believe it or not. She might not see it that way, but I am impressed with all of her writings about Putin. This article only addresses a tiny part of what Anne knows about Putin.

  • Alexandros HoMegas

    The jewish neocon RATS like you Applebaum and your friend Nuland and the Kagan family want WWIII at any cost.

    Too bad Hitler didn’t KILL All jews.

  • Alexandros HoMegas

    KILL ALL KIKE RATS.

  • nirvichara

    West have started war against Russia, but Russia is winning as usual. West just did not learn its historical lessons that Russia always win. Be it Napoleon, German nazi, UA nazi or US nazi or NATO nazi.

    • cugierkoteczka .

      troll ?

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        A troll is simply someone who disagrees with you. Obviously, when the worldview of western supremacism is challenged, calling someone a troll helps to relieve the headaches. Poor thing!
        Now sing: troll, troll, troll!
        Same old western supremacists!

    • jwz

      Better watch out there, Putroll, there may be nazis on Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, trying to encircle Russia. Maybe Putin should claim solar system as Russky Mir too.

      • Hugh Vincelette

        I don’t know about nazis, but if you look closely at Curiosity’s pictures from Mars, I’m almost sure I can see a Starbucks in the distance . 🙂

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        No need to go that far! Check out the neo nazi chief of Kiev police, Vadym Troyan. He is a “good” neo nazi and has made the correct “European choice” and loves to kill Russian speaking Eastern Ukrainians in the Donbass.
        Now what kind of government appoints a neo nazi as the chief of police of its capital region? I know, a government for the neo nazi stooges by the neo nazi stooges of the neo nazi stooges. Geddit?
        So much for the values of the “superior and civilised” west.

    • The Bogle

      A spokesman for RT?

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Truth is truth, no matter where it comes from. Or do you think that the unvarnished truth comes out of the BBC, ITN, CNN, NBC, ABC, Reuters? What a simpleton! These “news” outlets are simply the servants of the the rich and powerful. No wonder they squeal so loudly about the alternative sources of news. The sound they and their sponsoring western governments make reminds me of the squeals of the pigs removed from their feeding trough.
        Did anyone notice the deafening silence from the “fountain’s of truth” of the western mainstream media about the 5600+ deaths in the Donbass?
        And like spoilt children they all collectively blame Putin for the deaths in the Donbass war, dubbed “Anti Terrorist Operation”, that all the governments of the EU/NATO/US “Borg” collective have supported to the hilt. Compare that to the loud hoo haa about the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris.
        JUST HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE?

    • davidofkent

      Has Spring arrived in Moscow, or are you still freezing over there?

      • Alex Popoff

        We are OK, thank you. Gas, you know…

    • rtj1211

      I don’t think Russia won in Afghanistan did it??!!

    • ashleyhk

      UA Nazi is what? US Nazi is what? NATO Nazi is what? Please explain.
      Thanks

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        How about the neo nazi Right Sector and Sloboda (aka National Socialist Party of Ukraine)? Care to find about the neo nazi chief of Kiev police, Vadym Troyan, or would you prefer to wallow in sheer ignorance?

    • Andri Sandi

      why america can go attack other countries like syria, libya iraq, and yugoslavia but the russia is not. why? tell me why?? what kind of privilige that they have?

    • Josef Halas

      It was USSR during WW2 – including Ukraine…:-) And West helped USSR very much.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Quite so. The west did supply some vital arms at a vital time. But it was the Soviets that had to use those arms and lay down their lives for our freedom, unlike the surrendering French, Dutch, Danes, Poles, Channel Islanders etc…

  • robert dunmeyer

    Everyone from Russia and Eastern Europe says they are worse off now than 30 years ago. Niggers are taking over their countries.

  • cugierkoteczka .

    the money stolen in russian is laundered in london

  • Dr. Heath

    Putler and his fan club of psycho xenophobes and racist, anti-semitic krembots – many of whom appear on the Guardian’s opinion page as well as here – have got the true measure of their opponents. Rather than a family of nations armed to the teeth with a far larger, far more advanced arsenal of weapons, Putler sees Dad’s Army. Old men with wooden rifles. The West’s leaders, the poltroons and buffoons, are duly terrified, able to take some small amount of comfort from the fact that Russia’s sole long-term enemy is itself and demographic collapse and ruination brought on by kleptocratic fascism.

    The West has an arms industry but one that seems to exist largely as a money-making enterprise and as a means of currying favour with those statesmen who, though they may be as deranged as Russia’s leaders, are not openly involved in the murder of our friends and allies or plots to do so soon.

    • rtj1211

      I’d like you to present the data on the murdering indexes of the past 60 years. How many dead by American war machine vs how many dead by the Russian war machine.

      I think you will find that it is the American leaders who are the crazy psychopaths and the Russians who go to war rather more infrequently…..

      • Dr. Heath

        More people have died unnecessarily since Putler’s criminal invasion of Ukraine than perished in the 9/11 attacks. Russia’s war machine killed thousands in Chechnya, almost all of whom were civilians. The Red Army has slaughtered Poles, Finns, Czechs, Germans, Ukrainians and Hungarians and loads more in their millions since Trotsky established it shortly after the putsch that we now refer to as the Russian Revolution. Your poster boy is a psychopath and he’s unlikely to leave office voluntarily, unlike American politicians who have to stand for election without the advantage of being able to stuff the ballot boxes or have opponents arrested for the crime of engaging in peaceful protests. What planet do YOU normally spend most of your time on?

  • AikeMoto

    What I don’t understand is that, say, Putin’s ‘plan’ works. He gets control of several countries in Europe (Hungary, Serbia, Greece, whatever), maybe splits Ukraine, retakes the Baltic states. What then? What does Russia and/ or Russian society offer them? A sclerotic system based on corruption, a closed society, return to repression, a silent and sullen population? Russia has no ‘soft power’, no ideology, no ‘way of doing things’, almost nothing that appeals to anyone anywhere. Putin’s promise is an utterly hollow promise. Just ask any Russian.

    • Elena Gorodetskaya

      barbarians destroyed Rome, they had no soft power too…. but Rome fell because of its laziness and stupidity… The goal of Putin not to create but destroy

      • rtj1211

        I think sane analysis will suggest that the destruction of Russia at the end of the Cold War was the aim of Western Capitalists, a few oligarchs and a puppet alcoholic President called Yeltsin. Putin came in to restore Russian living standards, build up a sovereign wealth fund and start to build trading alliances with neighbouring states.

        All the Western publicity about a warmonger fails to acknowledge that it is the USA and NATO who are the perpetual warmongers, whereas Russia goes to war rather infrequently.

        • Donafugata

          I agree, Putin is the only one who understands Russia.

          The 1990s were a truly dreadful and disappointing time after Glasnost and Perestroika.

          The drunken fool Yeltsin allowed the Russian people to be pillaged by the oligarchs and the western carpetbaggers.

          Tough countries need tough leaders.

    • Alex Popoff

      1. West Europe have little to propose to East Europe. In baltic countries its up to 25% depopulation. And its the best case.
      2. Russia can propose economical and cultural cooperation and national development.

      Your view on russia is biased. Russia is not so bad. West is not so good too. Read for example about Berlin airport building. There is corruption in EU too.

      • AikeMoto

        ‘Whatabouttism’ is about all the Russia offers! Pray tell us, where in Russia has national development been a success in recent years (not counting the feast of corruption that Sochi offered to the friends of Putin) ? Once one leaves the centre of Moscow, most of what one encounters are basically 4th world living conditions.

        • Alex Popoff

          Does Romania already looks like Venice?

          Russia looks better than 10 years ago. And will be better than now after 10 years. This is development.

          • Nomid

            Actually… The latest forecasts of Russian economy indicates that in the nexte decade it’s GDP will flatline, even the Russian central bank is starting to come to this conclusion…

          • Alex Popoff

            The forecasts… sweet sugar for romantics… and haters. Haters gonna die. Russia will live through centuries.

          • Nomid

            Centuries? It most certainly will… But that is not the question, the question is in which shape… And that shape looks kind of bad…

          • AikeMoto

            Whatabout Romania? Whatabout Venice? And so on. Like you demonstrate, here is little to offer except ‘whataboutism’. Look in a mirror man, you know the reality of Russia and it’s not pretty.

          • Alex Popoff

            I know the reality in Ukraine it is even worse than in Russia. So for Ukraine russian perspective means less corruption, more wealth, more culture. And the best part is that Ukraine can go this way. UE is cool but ukraine will die in the middle of the road, we can see this process right now.

    • Oleksandr Kuzmin

      Putin has no future plans, this is a war for the sake of war. This allows him to stay in power longer. The main problem is that he could not make a working economy in Russia, was unable to carry out reforms. This has brought his country to a standstill. To disguise this, he started subversive activities in neighboring countries and promoting some fakes in Russia (that all around are enemies).

      Putin also is timorous politician. When Ukrainians ousted Yanukovych (he was like Putin, one more “Tsar”), Putin mortally afraid that he might be shamefully banished. So he started a war in Ukraine to show russians that “the revlution is very bad thing”. Now he can’t stop, that’s why it is a war for the sake of war. As soon as he stops – the truth will become obvious and russians will banish him.

    • Mike E

      Putin is not primarily interested in the national economy of Russia. He is an ultra-nationalist and imperialist and his goal is geopolitical power, and the restoration of the Russian Empire. As my Russian wife says: Russian leaders have never given a damn about the Russian people.

  • Edward Rubanis

    Most of Putin’s Parrots give the impression of being bigots and Neanderthals ( forgive me Neanderthal’s you are likely more intellectually advanced ). For example their use of the word “Nazi” to label anyone who dispute Putin’s policies; the veneer of racism, homophobia and anti-feminism that smears their comments. It is clear to anyone with half a brain that the Wolf-packs of Putin’s Internet Trolls gather and try to torpedo any articles hostile to their new Tsar.

    • rtj1211

      On the contrary, it is the West who are obsessed with propaganda in the West. The entire UK mainstream Press is now a propaganda vehicle directed from Washington with the complaint obedience of 10 Downing Street.

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      Not so, Eddy! Nazi is as Nazi does. I am sure that there were some “good” Nazis who would help little old ladies cross the road. Perhaps then they would shove the same old lady down the trench to be shot.
      I call the “Anti Terrorist Operation” a neo nazi operation against the civilians of the Donbass using tanks, artillery and grad missiles. It has been given the full seal of “democratic and legal” approval by the “superior and civilised” US/EU/NATO Borg Collective. No wonder they are so quiet about the 5600+ dead on both sides. It has reported that German Intelligence think that the death toll could be closer to 50,000. I am sure the dead and injured of the Donbass would be very proud to be part of the power play that shows just how “superior and civilised” the west truly is!
      Nazi is as Nazi does!

    • robertsonjames

      It isn’t difficult to understand why so many Kippers now have wet dreams featuring Putin in his wrestling outfit.

      After all, what is it about a right-wing nutjob at the centre of an extreme nationalist personality cult who loathes gays, thinks liberal values are a sign of weakness, loves threatening other nations and is really rather keen on restoring the status his country had back in the 1950s that could possibly explain why the Farageistas think he’s the beez-neez?

    • Chaos Noir

      Please. You have racism, homophobia and anti-feminism everywhere. It’s not owned by Putin. You only have to look at recent events in the US to see racism run riot. As for anti-feminism, it’s on every magazine cover, it’s in every mainstream sexualised image of prepubescent women throughout Europe, the US and every other English speaking nation.

  • William MacDougall

    Why is the Ms Applebaum – the wife of the former Polish Foreign Minister – surprised that when the EU and NATO expand to Russia’s doorstep and declare economic war with sanctions that it might try to find a few allies in Europe? How exactly is that so sinister, and how exactly is that “war on the West”?

    • Elena Gorodetskaya

      If EU can propose better and effective model then Russia, it is the fault of EU? Poland choose EU, Baltics choose EU… why? Maybe because it is more progressive system and their countries choose this way… If corrupted, derailed Russia is not appealing to its neighbors, it is no EU problem…

      • rtj1211

        The EU proposed 1/10th the funding for Ukraine that Moscow did. How is that ‘more effective’?? The EU is utterly bankrupt – how is that ‘offering a better model than Russia’?

        I’m not praising Russia, I’m highlighting how idiotic Ukraine is if it thinks it will get any significant bailouts from the EU before 2020 and I’d like you to consider how the Ukraine could possibly integrate economically with Europe without wholesale takeover by foreign businessfolks.

        • Nomid

          Besides better access to the markets of EU?

          What Ukraine needs to do is fight the endemic coruption, if they are just halfway succesful with that then Ukraine will be fast on it’s way to become more prosperous

          And this is were the EU has much more to offer than Russia, there are better systems in the EU to combat corruption than in Russia which is almost as bad as Ukraine..

          • Alex Popoff

            Georgian mafia in gvmnt will fight ukraine corruption))))

          • TheDane

            Yes it will. To put it’s own instead

        • caaps Ceps

          You will note that Elena said “better and effective model”, not “more money”. The EU, even in its current shape offers its citizens a MUCH MUCH better quality of life than than Putin et al offers Russians. All the so-called “euro=skeptics” (“vote UKIP” etc etc) are just idiots who do not know how good they have it.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I am so close to voting UKIP in May. The expansionist EU must be consigned to the dustbin of history after its bloody games to take over Ukraine.

          • Alex Popoff

            I doubt.

            Romania is poorer than russia and offers much worse quality of life.

            This is the future of Ukraine in EU. Poor balkan state.

      • Alex Popoff

        Why Ukrainians cant propose anything? Why do you always hope for someone else and not for yourselves?

        You must remember that half of Ukraine choose Russia. Half of Ukraine voted for Yanukovich, half of Ukraine always was pro-russian and IS pro-Russian.

        You can hate half of Ukraine, and call them subhumans like Yatsenuk did, but that’s their right to explain to you that you are wrong. How many death do you need to start respect opinion of half of your country?

        • Nomid

          Half of Ukraine chose Russia?

          Nope..

          And even if that was true they never will again, Putin just made sure of that..

          • Alex Popoff

            >Nope..

            I think another 10 000 dead euro-integrators will change your mind.

          • Nomid

            Yeah in comes the Nazi part…

            You know that you might as well have written russian troll next to your name when you pull the Nazi card right?

            I don’t know if you are insulting your own intelligence or any readers intelligence when you keep trying to push that bull….

          • Alex Popoff

            That would be great if Ukrainian gvmnt were not crazy russophobes, but they are.

          • Nomid

            Yeah… Like every single Britt hates the Americans because it is not like they have a very close history and commonalites together right?

          • Alex Popoff

            Ukraine establishment are not ukrainians. That’s the problem.

          • Nomid

            You are insane…

            The Ukrainian establisment is not Ukrainian?
            Then why do you call it the Ukrainian establishment?

          • Alex Popoff

            Because these armenian-indian-libian-jew-pole-german-tatar °elite° owes Ukraine.

            Look at modern Ukraine. Valtzman, Grigyan, MIttal, Kolomoisky, Ahmetov, Firtash etc. They are jews, poles, indians, armenians, whoever you want but not ukrainians. Now they have gvmnt full of georgians lithuanian, american etc, again no ukrainians.

          • Nomid

            Oh my…

            If you could put that xenophobism of yours on cans and sell it, you would be a millionaire….

          • Alex Popoff

            This’s facts. Show me 1 (one) ukrainian oligarch.

          • Fritz123

            Well, there are examples to the contrary where your mother counts.

          • Nomid

            If you are going to try an insult me at least make sense

          • Fritz123

            I dont want to insult anybody but if critique is an insult…… But ok, not all countries are the same?

          • Nomid

            Nope… Not all countries are the same… Some of them pay for people to sit in small offices and post the most ridiculous stuff that nobody believes in, in every post about Ukrainian and Russian relations….

          • Fritz123

            Well, if you think so….

          • Fritz123

            What people believe does not matter anyway, sorry.

          • Nomid

            On the contrary… What people believe in shapes the world…

          • Fritz123
        • caaps Ceps

          You are wrong. In the 2010 presidential elections, only 1/3 of the electorate voted for Yanukovych. Furthermore, Yanukovych ran on a pro-EU platform (which is why he spent the next 4 years negotiating the EU association agreement). The VAST majority of Ukrainians agreed that only the european model offered any hope of getting Ukraine out of the corrupt quagmire it was in.

          • Alex Popoff

            >You are wrong. In the 2010 presidential elections, only 1/3 of the electorate voted for Yanukovych.

            Ahhahaha))) SO what? You are saying that 1/3 that didnt vote is pro-ueropean. But I can say that they are pro-Russian. Gallup poll in 2014 february says that half were pro custom union and half was pro ukraine.

            But even if only 1/3 is pro-russian, so what? You can shut em and force them to live on your rules? No. And they are explaining you right not this simple fact.

          • Hugh Vincelette

            There are wonderful neighbors of mine here in Vancouver, Canada; who speak Russian. If one demented Russian person amongst them were to email Putin; saying he didn’t feel safe here; would Putin attempt to annex parts of Vancouver? He’d be facing some of the most incensed Russian speakers on the planet. As for “don’t mess with Russia”, no country can anticipate respect based on the possession of nuclear weapons. Since WWII , the world has been well aware that they can never be used again, & they haven’t been. And won’t be, (as long as we can keep them out of the hands of theocratic despotic regimes like Iran.)

          • Alex Popoff

            When you compare Vancouver with the land where russians lived for two centuries, where no one lived before us, where russians built every city… I don’t know what to say… What are you talking about? Ukraine is not the foreign land. Its russian land that was given to ukraine by soviet dictators because without russian industry in the south-east ukrainian respublic was unviable. But it was done inside one State.

            If Ukraine want to be independent, then they should give back russian land.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            In the UK some Police Commissioners were elected on turnouts of 10-20%. They still took office and get paid tons. Its called an election and people have a right to sit on their backsides (except down under).

  • MickC

    But NATO has no legitimacy at all. What purpose does it serve, except as an arm of US foreign policy?

    As for the EU not using trolls on websites, you are joking aren’t you?

    • Nomid

      EU troll farms? Really?… lol

      • MickC

        If you believe the EU doesn’t have a PR department then suit yourself, old man, suit yourself..

        • Nomid

          They do have a PR department..
          And they use it when there is EU related matters (voting) that spring up…
          The difference is that they don’t use one in this case, and it is not in anyway comparable to the Russian Troll farm..

          Another difference is that they use facts….

          • MickC

            Oh righto, yes, got that!

          • Nomid

            No problem bud!

  • CharleyFarleyFive

    Putin can rely on a whole army of useful idiots to do much of his work for him, most of them in this country are smug, sanctimonious, idiotic Guardian readers. But it all comes down to money and if the price of oil remains depressed for long enough Russia will have none.

    How Putin must be hoping for a Miliband led government.

    • rtj1211

      So how will Putin invading Ukraine (which produces no oil of significance) improve his economic situation?? It won’t.

      You assume that the Russians go to war for the sake of it, when the only countries with oil that they could steal would be Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan.

      You see imminent occupation in Almaty or Baku by Easter?? Because I don’t……

      • CharleyFarleyFive

        Demonstrably he’s not doing it to improve his economic situation he’s doing it because he presumably wants Russia to return to the days of the USSR.

        • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

          Say aaah! And swallow the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective propaganda whole!

          • CharleyFarleyFive

            Are you sure you want to bring propaganda to the table?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            The bogey of the “return of the USSR” is pure propaganda for kids. Are you a child let loose on the keyboard by your mummy???

  • CharleyFarleyFive

    The only way to deal with a bully is to come out fighting. I suggest the next time Putin flies any of his military aircraft through our airspace that we shoot them down. Put an end to this nonsense immediately.

    • Bonkim

      Shooting an aircraft outside territorial airspace would be a declaration of war. Miltary aircraft can fly anywhere they like as long as they don’t encroach airspace of other countries and civil air control is voluntary.

      • CharleyFarleyFive

        Hence why I said ‘our airspace.’

        • Bonkim

          Putin is not that stupid.

    • rtj1211

      I suggest you go to the top of the HSBC tower in Canary Wharf and take a flying leap……..

  • thvari

    Good article, though no news at all. It will be a fun and challenging rest of the decade for the EU. There are challenges ahead that we need to stand up to, especially “us” in central Europe, like the Czech Republic.

    It is certainly good to know what we are up against, speaking of Russia of course. It is important to realize that this economic struggle and partial war (Ukraine so far) will go on for some time and it will be a battle of nerves.

    I feel sorry for those of Ukrainians who want to be part of the more developed and democratic west, though. We, who are on the other side now, but who were formerly part of the eastern bloc, know how it sucks to be allied to Russia, and how tough it is to get loose from its “warm” embrace. All the more important to face this new challenge of a country that wishes to prove to itself its own importance not by mutual cooperation (which is vying for economical power, but given at least some rules and agreements), but by contention.

  • Ivan Ewan

    If the EU were an alliance, not a political and economic union, would Russia’s vinegar strategy work at all?

  • Asitis3

    Goo*le this simple FACT America has over 1,000 military bases outside of its borders,yet the Russians have only 4. So who is the real power-mad nut-job ?

    • rtj1211

      Ah, but that is because everyone else is so bloodthirsty and evil and the humble, peaceful and insightful Americans sacrifice themselves for a better world……..

      • ashleyhk

        Actually, I think that is true.

    • Jean valejan

      Good point. The US still has bases in Germany and Japan from the second world war and those in Okinawa take up a 1/4 of the land causing numerous grief and yet the US still wants to build a new base.

    • ashleyhk

      They are there because of alliance treaties and government to government agreements

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        That is all right then. I am sure they are doing a splendid job spreading “superior and civilised” western values from their rear ends!

    • On the Balcony

      1000 “military bases” is misleadingly but your point is well taken –Putin is claiming that Russia with only 4 international bases has the best and most powerful military in the world and deserves to be treated with the same “respect” as the U.S. You’re right, that does make Putin sound like a real “power-mad nut job!”

      Note: Apparently many countries in the world welcome U.S. military bases both as a source of income and security. Not surprizingly, very few nations in the world want to host Putin’s “polite little green men” -even if Russia could afford it.

      • Hugh Vincelette

        Many of these countries do indeed welcome the US bases as sources of income & security.And there’s no ‘annexation’ of these countries. When a country with US military bases asks them to leave (the Philippines) America accepts the will of the people & leaves. And when an American territory votes in opposition to statehood (Puerto Rico), it is accepted. Any nation inviting Russia to establish a military base on their land, which Russia would do in a heartbeat; is suffering an epidemic of dementia.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        I am glad that non-stooge India is not one of the bases for the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective and looks after its own freedom and democracy. It does have a few military projects with Russia, as in the Brahmos cruise missile project. I hope they make the same success with the new Russian civil nuclear power plants so India can be powered for the century.

    • Chaos Noir

      They may have 1000+ bases but they’re not achieving much success are they?

  • The Bogle

    Conspiracy theories abound. Has Mr Putin approached Nigel Farage yet? I think that we should be told.
    However, given C4’s recent anti-UKIP parody “Ukip: the first 100 days in power”, it would appear that such overtures have not been made or else they would have been contained in the script.

    • rtj1211

      Marine LePen is more likely I think……

  • Garry

    Russia protects it’s own interests! I know..shocking eh? It obviously irks Ms Applebaum that some of Europe has not joined in the anti-Russian hate-fast orchestrated by most of the media. The article also studiously ignores the meddling done by her beloved troika the EU,US & NATO in a lot of the worlds conflicts, and hows that working out? by the way. Russia are mere amateur’s when it comes to throwing money and weaponry around to further it’s interests.

    • Alex Popoff

      Russia withdraw tanks from Germany. Without reparation to let Germans to unite. Russia dissolved Warsaw pact to start building of Common European House. What was the response? Dissolving Nato? Withdrawing US troops from Europe? Haha.

  • Blindsideflanker

    The flat Ukrainian countryside is similar to the flat countryside of the Baltic states, which Fallon believes are the next places due for the Putin treatment, are all classic tank fighting landscapes.

    But the Cameron Conservatives are disbanding our tank regiments, and have closed down the last tank building facility here.

    Diplomacy is the art of speaking softly while carrying a big stick. The Cameron Conservatives have whittled our stick down to a pathetic little tooth pick , and Putin has noticed.

    Following Fallon’s big words this morning , is he going to force the Government to rethink their disarmament for Aid policy?

    • Wildflowers

      The USAF is currently trying to get rid of the A-10 “tank buster” despite strong opposition from the US Congress and Army/Marines. The irony is that they have just had to send a squadron over to Spangdahlem AFB to beef up our defences as it is the best aircraft for the job of taking on/out armour.

      We are rapidly losing any decent ability to take the Russians on if needs must.

      • Blindsideflanker

        Indeed.

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-army-reduced-to-one-single-tank-regiment-9644238.html

        “In 1990, there were four tank regiments in the British Army, which had at their disposal nearly 800 tanks. Now the British army can call on just 156 tanks,

      • MickC

        The A10s are being scrapped because they are obsolete. They are too vulnerable to anti-aircraft measures. Helicopters have replaced them in the anti tank role.

        • Nomid

          Yup… They will have a serious problem going in to a theater of war were there isn’t complete air superiority and no AA… And Russians are pretty good at making AA systems…

  • Terence Hale

    Hi,
    “How Vladimir Putin is waging war on the West – and winning”. This must be put in prospective. The Russian sanctions have had the opposite affect strengthening President Putin at home and chippering the German and other western economies. Just returning from Switzerland, France and Germany the general consensus of opinion is that there is going to be a war. Fueled by the rhetoric of Mr. Cameron, Mr. Hammond and Mr. Fallon relying of the same intelligence that Blair got Britain into war with blood to spend they may have there day.

    • Elena Gorodetskaya

      o, really…. I did no know that war is in rhetoric… always thouht it is because of russian tanks and grads

      • Alex Popoff

        Sorry masepa daughter, we do like any country does. Yankees killed dixies, so russians will kill cursed ukrainian separatists. Thats the fate of every traitor and separatist.

      • rtj1211

        And Poroshenko came to power via democratic election, did he??

  • polistra24

    This article is insane. If you want to live in a world of reversed facts, you’re welcome to it. Delusional aggressors against Russia haven’t fared well in history.

    I prefer actual facts. In previous decades and centuries Russia was often the aggressor. Not now. The CURRENT aggression is solely coming from EU/US/UK.

    • Blindsideflanker

      Oh I see, so its American troops in Ukraine, Georgia, etc not Russian troops and armaments

      • Alex Popoff

        You are right. US war counselors are in Ukraine and were in Georgia. That how proxy war looks like.

        • Blindsideflanker

          Like, right now, having two Russian nuclear armed Bear bombers off the coast of Cornwall , and having to be escorted away by Royal Air force fighters.

          I suppose this is Nato aggression as well?

          • Alex Popoff

            US bear bombers fly the same manner in arctic and near russain borders, but we just dont crying about it.

            Flights of russian war planes don’t violate international agreements so I cant understand what is the point?

          • Blindsideflanker

            Flying nuclear armed bombers in some of the most crowded air spaces in the world with neither transponders on nor lights on, is close to an act of war.

          • Alex Popoff

            One more time, you cant be close to pregnancy, you are pregnant or not. Russians didn’t violate any law. Any more questions?

          • Blindsideflanker

            Annexing other country’s territory by military force violates pretty much every international law.

          • Alex Popoff

            So you failed with crying about war planes and switching to Crimea.

            Ok.

            Russia didn’t annexed anything by force. There was a referendum for it. Crimean people seems to be very happy with the result.

          • MickC

            They most certainly are NOT nuclear armed. Even NATO confirms that. However, unarmed ancient Russian aircraft flies in international airspace just isn’t much of a headline.

          • Blindsideflanker

            Not according to the Norwegian security services who intercepted Russian communications that indicated they were carrying nuclear armed missiles.

          • MickC

            Actual nuclear armed missiles? As opposed to nuclear capable but unarmed missiles?
            There was a similar report a couple of weeks ago, and yes, it transpired the ancient “bombers” were only carrying unarmed missiles.
            Nuclear deterrence, and offence, is primarily submarine based on both sides and has been for decades, because they are rather hard to find, and kill.
            And in the case of the UK, impossible for us to find them because Dave chopped up the aircraft and ships which could.

          • Nomid

            I think the whole point of Putin sending them over is, in fact, because you can see and hear (turboprop) them for miles away…

            Not much else they are usefull fore….

          • MickC

            Quite. But, like the B52s, they surely do look impressive!
            That WW2 German aerodynamic research helped an awful lot of planemakers!

          • Nomid

            They could have… Who knows?

            That is kind of the point isn’t it?

        • Blindsideflanker

          Proxy war?

          Counsellors up against Russian armoured regiments? If our counsellors are that effective to threaten the might of the Russian army then they are impressive people, or may be the Russian bear is a feeble, decrepit, and decadent , who are more dangerous to themselves than anybody else. Or may be you should pull the other one trying to suggest the odd counsellor , if there are such people, can in anyway be equivalent to violating national borders with military incursions.

          • Alex Popoff

            Listen. For russians Ukraine is like separatist Texas. You will NEVER force us to respect these “borders”. We are taking for the shit whole Ukrainian separatistic state. We will never recognise it as nation.

            There is big difference between for ex. Poles and Ukrainians for us. Ukrainians are russians. Russian traitors. Russian scumbags who betrayed their people, their fathers and brothers. They betrayed themselves, their OWN history.

            SO when you are talking to me about some “borders” that I must respect… I’m just laughing. My father studied in Kharkov in Ukraine and I could been born in Ukraine. So called ukraine is MY LAND although I have russian passport. Until the west will understand this there will be no dialogue between us.

          • Nomid

            Wow…

            Kind of nice that nobody is asking you to recognize it and that you absolutely don’t have any say in it then?..

            Ukraine is slipping out of your grasp and Tzar Vladimir the short helped that happen..

            Deal with it…

          • Alex Popoff

            Wow. We will destroy ukraine in one-two years.

            Deal with it.

          • Nomid

            hi hi… Sure… Psst… I have a bridge to sell, interested?

          • Alex Popoff

            Russians have their own bridges. Many bridges. You should always remember about it.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKu0aIXmlE

          • Nomid

            What a coincidence! It happens to be in Russia… It is very cheap, and it could be yours for the right price?

          • Blindsideflanker

            I t took a while, but we got to the heart of the situation, which is an aggressive, nationalist, expansionist Russia that is no respecter of other peoples or nations.

            Thank you for making it so clear to everyone.

          • Alex Popoff

            Misunderstanding again. Ukrainians are not the nation. They are russian separatists. Like Donbass irredentists are not the Donbass nation, they are russian irredentists.

            Do you recognize Donbass independence? Why? So you are agressive and expansionist, you want to grab independent Donbass into your European aggressive expantionist Empire.

            This coin have two sides.

  • wlalos

    Your opinion on the situation in Poland, given that you are a wife of the prominent politician of the governing party in Poland, might not be quite unbiased.

    • PetaJ

      It might not be unbiased but it is most certainly better informed than many of the posters here.

      • wlalos

        Certainly it is. Nonetheless I do not like to be called, together with a lot of my compatriots a „troll”.

        • PetaJ

          Don’t take it too seriously. People are often called trolls merely because they present a viewpoint with which the people who call them trolls disagree. However, if you really are a troll………

        • Nomid

          If you are not sitting in a troll farm and getting paid for posting, and you are willing to have an honest discussion instead of just calling the Ukrainians Nazi’s… Then you are not the trolls that are being referred too..

  • Alex Popoff

    >The Germans in the room found the Russian statements particularly hilarious. Undo German unification? Why, that would require undoing the whole post-Cold War settlement!

    Then why did west applauded to dividing Russia in 1991? USSR division broke Helsinki accords and “whole post-WWII settlement”.

    Bavarian separatism is bad, ukrainian separatism is good.That’s regular hypocrisy.

    • rtj1211

      I don’t think Bavaria has been separate from either Germany or West Germany since 1870…….

      • Alex Popoff

        Really? Beer Hall Putsch.

        The difference with ukraine is that ukrainians differs from russians less than saxonians from germans. But germans killed their separatists and russians let em go in 91 to avoid the war.

        Instead of thanks Ukraine banned russian language in Ukraine and started ethnic discrimination of russians since 1991 more and more.

        • caaps Ceps

          What Ukrainian language? What ethnic discrimination if Ukrainians and Russians are one and the same. You can;t have it both ways Popoff.

          • Alex Popoff

            >What ethnic discrimination if Ukrainians and Russians are one and the same.

            Good question with simple answer. Many ukrainians refused to renounce from russian culture, and to learn new-made anti-russian russophobic views. Now these people who didnt wanted ukrainian independence fight for right not to hate their relatives in russia, to speak their mother language, to be part of Great Russian culture.

      • mr29sylt

        1871.

    • mr29sylt

      Bavarian separatism is good but Ukrainian separatism is bad from the Russian perspective. 70% of Ukrainians voted to stay in the USSR in the 1991 referendum. Why did Yeltsin dissolve the USSR? Russia has made many mistakes as well. The country is run by oligarchs.

      • caaps Ceps

        You are just making things up now. 90% of Ukrainians voted for an independent Ukrainians state in 1991.

        • Alex Popoff

          even more voted for keeping USSR year before.

      • Alex Popoff

        >Bavarian separatism is good.

        No. Russia let Germany to unite, because we could watch above short-time goals to weaken Germany. But Germany is still so primitive that cant do more than “this moment” profit.

        Separatism leads to simplicity, to smaller goals and smaller achievements. It’s better for common wealth to have Great Germany than many little germanies.

        EU supported ukrainian separatists, so what did they get? Poor state, war, humanitarian catastrophe. Is it in EU long term interests to have one more balkan failed state with permanent civil war?

  • Evgeny_K

    Russia is doing the same thing that US was doing for years. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Corrupting governments is not russian invention also. So why all the hype?

  • davidofkent

    Nobody is winning anything. Russia’s economy is, however, crumbling; just as it was at the end of the USSR.

    • Nomid

      Well… The Ukrainians might gain something….

  • Michal Furman

    Why is the date of this article Feb 21 2015?

    • Doug

      That’s when the magazine is published.

  • tenbelly

    I see what you mean about Russian trolls, this thread seems to have a monopoly of them.
    If only their English was up to snuff to make any sense, but it’s not.

    • Nomid

      Every thread about Russia an Ukraine… In every single one they come swarming…

      Fortunately if they keep up this trend it will become apparent to even the most casual readers of Russian and Ukrainian news what is going on, and their effect will become a non issue….

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Obsession with Russian trolls is unhealthy. It can damage your critical brain cells.

        • Nomid

          You meen that their stupidity might rub off?… Nah… doesnt work that way…

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            I think I will complain to the ECHR. Trolls have rights. They have the right of free speech and association and the right to family life. That includes gay trolls. Now go marry a troll and have lots of baby trolls. Now please! Drop the immature,
            playground and childish name calling and:
            ANSWER THE SUBSTANTIVE POINTS, IF YOU ARE CAPABLE! Otherwise, run along and play with your dolls (trolls???)

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      If you are so obsessed with Russian trolls, why don’t you marry one? Then you can make grown up comments about the substantive points. The world is full of people who will NOT concede to western supremacists. Get over it!

  • English_Independence_Movement

    That’s what you get for cutting defence spending.

    Might be a good idea to start investing, especially Germany.

  • Johnpd
  • Sidney sloth

    This appeasement must end!

    The author never once considers the will of the people in eastern Europe. NATO has stated that it will defend eastern European states from Russian invasion. “Invasion” is defined as any civil conflict against a western backed regime. So Russia backing the supporters of one side of the Ukrainian civil war is a russian invasion, but the USA backing the other side is not.

    Applying this same logic to baltic states, any civil uprising against NATO friendly regimes in the baltics will mean NATO sending troops to kill those balts who don’t like their government. Vietnam, anyone?

    When will europeans stop appeasing NATO?

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      The US is trying to start a war with Russia and drag its European allies/vassals along against their will and interests. But there are signs that the European vassals (Hollande and Merkel, not Cameron) are waking up, and don’t want to join in a US-orchestrated confrontation with Russia.

      http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/09/peace-war-hand-paul-craig-roberts/

  • Gerschwin

    I think your case is overstated. The Ruskis only want, have only ever wanted, one thing – a safety curtain around them, a buffer zone to protect them. So when Ukraine goes or Georgia invades Ossetia they react by shaving off a new, smaller buffer zone in the case of the former or invading and getting it back in the case of the latter. Besides Ruski coffers are pretty dry these days.

  • Oleksandr Kuzmin

    War allows Putin to stay in power longer. The main problem is that he could not make a working economy in Russia, was unable to carry out reforms. It has brought his country to a standstill. To disguise this, he started subversive activities in neighboring countries and promoting some fakes in Russia (that all around are enemies, so life will deteriorate).

    Putin also is timorous politician. When Ukrainians ousted Yanukovych (he was like Putin, one more “Tsar”), Putin mortally afraid that he might be shamefully banished. So he started a war in Ukraine to show russians that “the revlution is very bad thing”. Now he can’t stop, that’s why it is a war for the sake of war. As soon as he stops – russians will realize that they have taken away the only idea which they lived last years, and they have nothing instead. Whereupon they will banish him.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      The war in Ukraine began when the US/EU interfered in Ukrainian affairs and helped the violent overthrow of president Yanukovych. The people of Crimea and east Ukraine would not put up with living under a Washington-imposed stooge regime, and the bloody war of brother against brother began.

      • Oleksandr Kuzmin

        One more Kremlin troll.

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          Instead of replying to my argument with arguments, you resort to ad-hominem attacks. If there’s a troll around here, I’m afraid it’s you.

          As soon as Yanukovych stepped back from signing a pact with the EU in November 2013 because Russia offered better terms (as was Ukraine’s sovereign right), the US/EU unleashed its thugs on Kiev’s streets. Here is the assistant US secretary of state Victoria Nuland distributing food to Maidan protesters.
          http://www.sott.net/article/273461-US-will-give-US-tax-payers-money-to-Ukraine-if-Kiev-makes-necessary-reforms-Nuland

          The same Victoria Nuland picking the next members of the Ukrainian government.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k

          And here are a few pictures of the corpses left after the Right Sector thugs backed by the US/EU murdered pro-Russian opponents in Odessa.
          http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/06/kiev-right-sector-kristallnacht-odessa-extreme-graphics.html
          The Crimea has been Russian since 1783. There was no way the people of Crimea were going to put up with life under a Washington-imposed anti-Russian stooge regime in Kiev. I can understand Ukrainians not liking Russians (the Holdomor), but it’s the eastern Ukrainians who began the cycle of violence by overthrowing their government.

          • G.

            “If there’s a troll around here…”
            No it is YOU.
            Slow down, you’re too obvious with your kremlin politprop..
            Take a breather, think about how exactly “US/EU unleashed its thugs on Kiev’s streets”, when key security and defense posts in Ukraine during Yanukovich regime were held by citizens of Russian Federation, approved by FSB, including in succession
            two Ministers of Defense,
            the head of Security Service and
            the Head of Presidential security.
            Kiev was stuffed by FSB, and 100-fold so during protests.
            Russian special forces were there at all times, some wearing Ukrainian police uniforms, Russia’s top security officials flew in Kiev routinely during protests, and so-called Ukrainian “Berkut” was no other than Russian OMON in Ukrainian uniforms.
            Are you suggesting that FSB went to work for CIA?
            If so, then it’s true that Putin was sent to Russia by CIA to destroy Russian economy?

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            Just as I thought, you are incapable of polite discourse, and prefer to insult people you disagree with.

            You don’t seem to be able to comprehend that its the US/EU that started the Ukrainian tragedy by fomenting the overthrow of Yanukovych the moment he wanted to ally with Russia rather than the US/EU. There wouldn’t be violence and bloodshed in eastern Ukraine if the US/EU had not initiated the overthrow of the Ukrainian government. Violence begets violence. Try to tell that to your CIA masters.

          • G35

            da my bully comrade..

          • G.

            And I’m asking you again, troll, NICELY, would you please kindly describe HOW EXACTLY “US/EU fomented the overthrow of Yanukovych” in a city under total control of FSB, stuffed by FSB like X-Mas turkey even on a good day, mind alone during protests, with RF citizens holding Ukraine’s KEY SECURITY AND DEFENSE POSITIONS in Yanukovich’s apparatus, including in succession
            two Ministers of Defense,
            the head of Security Service and
            the Head of Presidential security,
            and so-called Ukrainian “Berkut” being no other than Russian OMON in Ukrainian uniforms.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            By pure coincidence, violent protests erupt as soon as the Ukrainian president decides against the Ukraine-EU association agreement and for closer association with Russia. The protesters carry EU flags. Bernard Henry Levy, a leading French pseudo-intellectual who pushed Sarkozy to overthrow/murder Qaddafi, tells Ukrainians how sweet life will be for them in the EU. The US assistant secretary of state and the US ambassador distribute food to the protesters.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVs2tcSyyuA
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcTP-mmnIsY&list=PLz-SlbJEt-kBy20q7X34R-zlptuNvXaWz

            Same assistant secretary of state goes on to select the next members of the Ukrainian government, bragging that the US has spent $5 billion influencing Ukrainian politics. As she predicted, Yats makes it into the Ukrainian cabinet .
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k

            Later it turns out that the shootings of unarmed protesters was ordered by the same people now forming Kiev’s junta government. You know, the Svoboda/Right Sector thugs. Svoboda was initially named the Social National Party, but the CIA thought Freedom would sound better to Americans, so the party renamed itself Svoboda.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1KQP-hZoYM
            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/11/meet-ukraines-master-mass-murderer-dmitriy-yarosh.html

            The US flag flies proudly on a government building of post-coup Ukraine.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UffhTyUcUwc&feature=youtu.be

            And yet you persist in telling me the US/EU had absolutely nothing to do with the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government, and insult me for expressing my views to boot.

          • G.

            “By pure coincidence, violent protests erupt as soon as the Ukrainian president decides against the Ukraine-EU association agreement…”

            BS
            Yanukovich didn’t sign on Nov.26, 2013.
            Ran from office on Feb.21, 2014.
            Protests lasted 3 months in between, peaceful on part of protesters despite provocations of Berkut and hired by Yanukovich/FSB “tetushki”.
            What was FSB doing for 3 months? Left Kiev en masse or stayed but turned blind eye, being on payroll of US ?
            P*ss off.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            Instead of remaining civil, you insult me personally, and use rude expressions like p**ss off, which I would never use. Try refuting my points, rather than insulting me personally or getting rude.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            There is no cure for the willful blindness of the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective. I mean how could anyone reject the civilising influence of the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective? These stooges think that the Donbass people deserve nothing better than to be blown up with tanks and artillery because they have made the “wrong” Russian choice.
            It is hard to know how this jihadist mentality of the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective can be cured.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Strange how with those “Russians” in the Ukrainian government Ukraine was whole with Crimea and the Donbass at peace. They were violently removed and Yanukovych was supposed to have given orders that resulted in a 100 deaths. With “Ukrainians” in government, they lose Crimea and launch an “ATO” that tears the country apart and 5600+ die. Those “Russians” would appear to have done a better job than the CIA Kiev neo nazi stooge government!

  • TRAV1S

    If you think Ukraine is bad, just look what a mess Cameron and Obama have made of Libya. ISIS now see Libya as a gateway into Europe. Well done Cameron, handing over Libya to ISIS.

    • Chaos Noir

      That was the initiative wasn’t it? To destabilise the Middle East and now, years after nurturing madrassas that have indoctrinated extremists, the US and UK governments wash their hands and play innocent. I’d like to ask others why it was that there was no ISIS threat when Hussein and Gaddafi were around? And now they’re using the same propaganda machine about Assad. They haven’t been successful with him and hopefully they won’t be, but at one point Obama was willing to support Islamist extremists to kill Assad. So it can only make people wonder, which I doubt will happen, as most people are more willing to take the path of least resistance and digest UK and US propaganda like syrup.

  • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

    So the “west” is losing? Does that mean my gang is losing, the one with the “superior and civilised” values, with no equal in the world, this gang is losing? I do not subscribe to the domination of the “west” of the international order, and I am sure the rising powers of India and China will not concede to this domination.
    There is no ideological war with Russia, unlike the Soviet Union. The writer is simply a recruiting sergeant for a new cold war with Russia, possible leading to nuclear war. I would encourage all free thinking people not to fall for this nonsense just so that the rich US and EU elite can install a puppet regime in non-compliant Russia.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      You are absolutely right. In the 1990’s, western politicians and their media lackeys loved Boris Yeltsin. Never mind that the Russian economy collapsed 40%, the suicide rate soared 70%, life expectancy regressed by around 5 years, and most Russians lost their life savings while a gang of no more than 10 oligarchs looted around half the wealth of the country, Yeltsin was taking Russia down the path of freedom and democracy, said the western politicians, ‘analysts’, and media. And best of all, the US/NATO could attack long-time Russia allies like Serbia and get away with it, as Russia was bankrupt. Russia was wonderful and democratic as long as it was weak and obeyed Washington.

      Then Russia got a strong leader, who started his country on the path of recovery. As soon as he started to prosecute at least some of the oligarchs who had murdered/looted their way around the country, the western media and governments started howling about the sad demise of human rights and democracy in Russia!

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        I lived through the cold war and could not believe how the USSR and the Warsaw pact dissolved so peacefully. I thought there was hope for mankind. Now I am not so sure. The urge to dominate and dictate is very powerful, and currently it is embodied in the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective. Very worrying.

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          The peaceful collapse of the iron curtain was an incredible, once in a century chance, to achieve a more peaceful world without great power ideological antagonisms. But instead of following John Quincy Adam’s dictum that the United States does not go abroad ‘in search of monsters to destroy’, heeding George Washington’s advice (in his farewell speech) against ‘foreign entanglements’, or heeding Eisenhower’s farewell warnings against the ‘industrial-military complex, USA actively sought enemies to destroy (Saddam Hussein twice, Milosevic, Osama Bin Laden, Gaddafi, Putin, the Iranian threat, the Chinese threat). If Bin Laden did not exist, USA would probably have invented him.

          In a sickening piece penned in 2007, Robert Kaplan, one of these Neocon nutcases who pushed for and got the disastrous Iraq war, lamented that 9/11 had failed to generate a ‘warrior spirit’ in the increasingly prosperous and secular American people. A Japanese militarist could have written the same thing back in the 30’s.
          http://www.the-american-interest.com/2007/07/01/on-forgetting-the-obvious/
          But I think more and more Europeans including Brits are sick and tired of American warmongering.

          • Nomid

            I just love it when you guys pat eachother on the back, it’s so cute…
            And not obvious at all….

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Says a stooge of the western supremacist gang!

  • Asitis3

    .Iraq..Serbia..Albania..Libya..Bosnia…kosovo….Somalia…Sudan…panama…Grenada.all bombed or invaded by who ?. Yep NOT the RUSSIANS…..ps theres a bigger list on the Web

  • Pavel Zebov

    According to this weird CIA – sponsored journalist, in Poland, everyone that speaks against Polish politics is anti Russian and is also an “internet troll”. In one of her tweets this pile of human waste said that Ukrainians nationalist during the 2nd World War were ‘controversial’. Would she say that German Death Camps and Nazi were ‘controversial’ as well, while killing Jews? Well I don’t think so – but killing Polish little kids, and priests – for her it was ‘controversial’.

    Her husband is living in the palace, changed the place to its own municipality (in Poland a member of political class can do whatever they want). Also these successful country ‘Poland’ notice millions of people emigrating and also corruption scandals – one after another: Big Scandals: scandal with tapes (her husband involved), scandal with IT companies, scandal with taking retirement savings from the people and so on…

    Another article sponsored by the US FED Gov, I know , RUSSIA is the same, but who would support ideas of another Yankee sponsored war? They want war – let them have it in US not in EU.

  • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

    So Vladimir Putin is trying to undermine the EU? May God bless him if he succeeds in weakening this bureaucratic monster seeking to suppress national identities and force European peoples into a single EU super-state against their will. The US loves the EU, of course, as it means they can tell their European vassals what to do with one phone call instead of 25.

    This article has got things exactly backwards. It’s not Russia that’s waging war on the West, it’s America (assisted by its usual EU/NATO puppets) that’s been waging ceaseless war on Russia ever since the Cold War supposedly ended. HW Bush senior had promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand to Russia’s borders. But NATO has spent the last 20 years doing just that. When Russia was weak in the 90’s, the US and its NATO puppets attacked long-time Russia ally Serbia, and re-drew the borders, taking Kosovo (the cradle of Serb civilization) away from Serbia. More recently, NATO wanted to bring Georgia (the birthplace of Joseph Stalin) into NATO. And of course in late 2013, when democratically elected president Victor Yanukovych decided joining Russia’s Eurasian Union was more beneficial than signing the EU association agreement, the US/EU organized a coup d’état against the legitimate government of Ukraine in order to bring a Western puppet to power. The US idea was to bring the whole of Ukraine (the cradle of Russian civilization) into NATO. Luckily this US/EU/NATO ploy didn’t work out too well as the Crimeans and eastern Ukrainians decided they would not put up with living under a pro-US/anti-Russian stooge regime.

    Anne Applebaum should ask herself this: how do you think the US of A would react had Russia organized the overthrow of the Canadian (or Mexican) government in order to invite Canada into an anti-US military alliance. I think we know the answer to that! By comparison, President Putin’s response to western provocation, aggression and demonization has been fairly tame.

    This is a good piece to understand what’s really happening in Ukraine:
    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault

    • E Hart

      This has some sensible analysis, too. http://www.skidelskyr.com/site/article/speech-to-the-boston-meeting-of-the-economists-for-peace-and-security-eps-4/

      The problem with Applebaum’s analysis of this and Eastern Europe is that it tends to be sub-Ladybird propaganda. It is trapped in its own Cold War rhetoric, when only some of the ingredients apply. For example, Syriza and Podemos are not part of some grand plan, they are populist, national responses (like Jobbik, UKIP, Front National…) to particular local circumstances and the EU’s decision to socialise the costs of the financial crash and other misguided policies (such as exporting wholesale unemployment).

      If ever an issue needed something better – given the threat if something goes wrong – this is it. There is one obvious comparison which needs to be made. Whatever kind of leader Putin is, why would he want a border bristling with missiles anymore more than Kennedy did?

      She should pay back her fee and desist.

      • Nomid

        He allready has NATO countries on his border…
        The case about NATO expansion in Ukraine is very weak….

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        You miss the point made by the western supremacists. Soviet missiles in Cuba, all bad and so they must threaten to end the world. However, NATO missiles on the borders of Russia is all good. After all these are “civilised” missiles from the “superior and civilised” west threatening to kill millions all in a “legal and democratic” manner. How could the Russians possible object to the presence of such a civilising force on their borders? They can only be “subhumans” to object to the “cuddly” NATO!

  • danram

    The only reason Putin is getting any traction at all is because the political leadership of the western alliance is pathetically weak and irresolute.

    The west holds all of the ace cards in this face-off. All we need are some leaders who aren’t afraid to play them.

    • Dave Ralph

      Wow, i sure wish that our president was a real tough guy like Cowboy Danram from Texas.

      Has it never occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, the Commander-in-Chief knows a little bit more about this situation than you do? That maybe before committing to action, he wants to rid Ukraine of Donbass/Crimea so that NATO is not fighting on territory where there is a hostile local population?

  • Mike E

    With EU represented by the two ridiculous characters, in particular Francois Hollande, but also Angela Merkel, I can see Putin laughing with delight.

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      What is the matter? Jealous that the US and its prime poodle the UK were not invited by the mature leaders of continental Europe to solve the problems of Ukraine? Don’t worry. Hero Petro was very busy taking orders from Obama on the phone. I wonder if the FSB could tap his mobile?

  • Sean L

    This isn’t The *American* Spectator.

  • Fenman

    Germany spends 1.3% of GDP on defence, despite its NATO obligation to spend 2%. It does not even have enough guns for its soldiers! No wonder Putin treats Merkel as a paper tiger. Germany is defenceless against Russia ever since Schoder sold it down the river in exchange for Russian gas and then post retirement joined Gazprom. Merkel made it worse by a totally myopic panic decision to abandon nuclear for short-term expediency to see off the green vote. The real problem in Europe is , therefore, Germany. This is compounded by its out-dated austerity programme preventing European recovery and alienating so many small countries.
    Unless NATO rearms Putin will keep on coming. The EU pygmy leadership make Chamberalin look a tough realist,. That includes Cameron.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Russia has energy and natural resources that western Europe doesn’t have. It is in both sides’ interest to work together for mutual economic benefit. Washington’s interest is to play the spoiler, preventing any Europe/Russia economic collaboration by fomenting the crisis in Ukraine. Germany is quite right to avoid wasting its money on military spending all for the benefit of Washington’s hegemonic agenda.

      • Fenman

        Are you related to Chamberlain?

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          Is your silly comment meant to imply that Putin = Hitler? Frankly if you can’t see that Washington is pushing for confrontation with Russia, fanning the conflict in Ukraine to preclude Russian/European collaboration and keep its European vassal states subjugated, no rational argument will convince you otherwise.

  • pobinr

    It was the expansionist EU that took the gamble when they poked the Russian bear by threating it with loss of it’s only warm water port. That’s what kicked all this off. Thanks to Emperor Merkel & crew.
    We don’t like Russian bear aircraft within 30 miles of the UK.
    How cretinous of the EU politburo to consider that Russia would find it acceptable to have the Ukraine join the EU, meaning the EU would then border with Russia.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      In addition to trying to chuck Russia out of its centuries old Sevastopol base by sponsoring the coup d’état that saw the ouster of Yanukovych, the US has been obsessed with overthrowing the secular regime of Bashar Assad even if that meant arming the terrorists running amok in Syria. Could it be that the US also wanted to see Russia ejected from Tartus, its only other warm water port?

      And some people on this message board seek to deny the obvious fact that the US has sought to encircle, contain and aggress Russia in every possible way! If Russia had overthrown the Canadian government and invited Canada into an anti-US military alliance, you can bet your boots the US of A would react far more violently than Putin has to a similar provocation.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Come on! Get it right! NATO encirclement of Russia is a cuddly embrace by the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective. Only “subhumans” could possibly object to a harmless “defensive” alliance on its doorstep. No wonder no one in the US/EU/NATO Borg Collective listened to the concerns of the “subhuman” Russians about NATO expansion!

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          Ha ha ha! The US of A operates on the motto ‘do onto others what you would not want them to do onto you’, while pretending to be a Christian country. It all makes sense as the US holds itself to be the ‘exceptional country’, the ‘indispensable nation’, so it can do what others are not allowed to do.

          International law is something midget nations like Russia and China have to follow. But the US government can do whatever it wants of course, international law be damned: eavesdrop on the leaders of allies, persecute whistleblowers, invade other countries on false pretexts, overthrow their governments, arm the terrorists while pretending to fight terrorism, attempting to overthrow governments fighting a terrorist onslaught (Syria), impose its own laws on the rest of the world (FACTA) etc. etc.

        • UofT1

          It is you who treats Ukrainians as subhumans since it was their will to join EU, which they expressed in a democratic elections. They wanted the same thing as most of the nations of former Satelite (to USSR) states like Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc which joined EU and NATO.

          Ukraine wanted the same rights as was enjoyed by former members of USSR such as Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which experienced years of occupations, attrocities and submission throughout the Soviet rule.

          No one forced them to join EU and NATO. They did that because these organizations offered them better life and more security. Now with paranoid Putin in the Kremlin their decision is even more justified. His actions will make the free world wake up eventually to see that the former KGB operative cannot be trusted since the only argument he know is force.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            It will take a long time for Ukraine to join the EU or NATO. Ukraine has to learn more about elections for one and will have to treat its own population with more respect in accordance with civilised EU values.

      • Chaos Noir

        That’s it. Don’t forget, it’s not just the US, but the UK government as well. The US and UK are bum chums.

    • UofT1

      If you do not like foreign expansion why would you allow the Scots, I assume you would, to vote for separation, or as some put it freedom, from the UK?

      The Ukrainians elected Yanukovich in a democratic vote when he run on a promis of closer ties with EU. Only when he reneged on his promises and scrapped this deal to move closer to Russia, the people rose and he escaped to Russia.

      Ukrainians should be free to choose their destiny as most of former Warsaw Pact and Comencom countries chose when USSR collapsed. You should remember that Ukraine gave up the third largest nuclear arsenal in return for guarantee of territorial integrity signed in Budapest by Russia, US an the UK.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Cameron ran on a promise the give the Brits a referendum over the EU. He reneged on that promise so UKIP are really after him. When Cameron runs off to meet his masters in Washington or Brussels we do not have a Maidan in London to get rid of Cameron. We patiently wait for the vote in the May general elections. GEDDIT???
        SO VOTE YANUKOVYCH OUT! WE DO NOT HAVE COUPS IN CIVILISED EU!

        • UofT1

          You should know the facts. Yanukovich run away under cover of darkness taking a lot of treasure with him and leaving behind his “small but elegantly designed” estate. He was nowhere to be seen when the new and democratic election was held. He now lives quietly somewhere in Russia enjoying millions and likely billions he stole during his tenure. Your Cameron comparison misses the point. I suggest to look at the script you got from Moscow before you use it here.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Cameron runs away to Washington and Brussels several times a year. Some would say that he practically lives abroad. We Brits do NOT have a violent Maidan to get rid of him. The closest we came was the Trafalgar Square anti poll tax riots: none killed. Then there was riots of 2011 when 5 died.
            We have elections to remove our PM and NOT mob rule! Geddit? It is the way in civilised EU.

          • UofT1

            Classic response from KGB propaganda manual. “When someone in the West talks about Stalin’s attrocities going into millions mention that blacks are prosecuted in the US”.

            I suggested using a more current version of the book, it will be less cospicuous who you work for.

            Also, you know who did the killing in the Maidan and they’d were NOT those protesting against Yanukovich, but mentioning it would ruin this argument.

            And finally “some say that the world is flat” this type of argument dates to pre-communist Russia.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            ELECTIONS, dear boy, elections are how we remove ELECTED presidents in the civilised EU. I am well aware that the US/EU/NATO stooges have another way of changing governments in Latin America, Africa and Asia but the EU has some civilised values: ELECTIONS.
            Can you answer this point or are you going to sing:
            Stalin, Putin, Stalin, Putin, Stalin, Putin or
            Troll, troll, troll….?
            So much for the values of the “civilised and superior” west!

  • http://batman-news.com MadridPeteR

    Gloriously unified Germany? I thought it was a federal snake pit that makes Angela spend more than a few sleepless nights…didn’t they just vote back in the party that controlled East germany before the wall fell?

  • gerad

    Applebaum is a resident lunatic and merely a mouthpiece propagandist for her slimeball husband. A complete waste of oxygen

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Definitely. And this Neocon Stalinist brooks no dissent from the approved line, and does not even have the honesty to mention that she is married to the former foreign minister of Poland, which may help explain her anti-Russia screeds.

  • gerad

    Russians earn more and have greater freedom than the Polish

  • G.

    Parade of kremlin troll/bot generated comments here.
    If Jacques Margeret who in 1607 wrote in his memoirs “Estate de l’Empire de Russie et de Grand Duché de Moscovie “:

    “(the common people) can not afford the cost of food, having no industry and being very lazy…they do not apply themselves to work, rather they are given to drunkenness more than to anything else. All without distinction, are addictive to this vise of excessive drinking…”
    had a chance to revisit Russia 400 years later he would have found same lack of industry and infrastructure, same poverty, same degradation and severe alcoholism of general population, with only refreshing new way of looting of own citizenry Kremlin invented, depriving population from millions of $$ thrown on maintaining hordes of paid online propagandists of regime throughout Western cyber-space.

    • Nomid

      Thank you, thank you, thank you…. You make me think that there is still hope in the world…

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      1607? How many invasions have there been of Russia since then? It seems that every generation of “superior and civilised” Europeans have a go at Russia. The last chap ended up taking his own life in Berlin. Is there something in the water supply or is it because the “superior and civilised” Europeans regard the Russians as being contaminated with that “asian mongol” blood? How primitive!
      We are all human beings from East Africa!

  • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

    Just to put this article into perspective: the author is an American Neocon fanatic, who is married to the former foreign minister of Poland Radosław Sikorski. Hating Russia, and pushing the Washington Neocon line is her profession, so any declarations of Russian aggression on her part need to be seen from this perspective.

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      I wonder how many millions she has made with her Russian hatred?

    • Cincinnatus

      the author is an American Neocon fanatic

      No but she is the author of two well researched books about Eastern Europe: “Gulag” and “Iron Curtain”.

      • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

        Appelbaum is a fully paid up member of the Neocon gang that gave us the Iraq war, has been pushing to bomb Iran for the last 10 years, wanted the US to join ISIS in their war against Assad, and is now looking to expand the conflict in Ukraine into all-out confrontation with Russia.

        Appelbaum has written dozens of carbon copy articles in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and Slate, telling us how evil and corrupt the Russians are, relentlessly urging confrontation and pushing Washington’s bellicose stance. And of course America and Israel are peace loving saints. Appelbaum is a notorious neoconservative warmonger, part of the gang of chicken-hawks at is always pushing for and cheerleading yet more wars from the comfort of their sofa, and is intolerant of dissenting opinion to boot. Unpleasant piece of work.

        http://antiwar.com/blog/2007/07/17/anne-applebaum-voice-of-the-voiceful/

        http://antiwar.com/blog/2007/07/17/anne-applebaum-voice-of-the-voiceful/

    • Lorenzo

      “…any declarations of Russian aggression on her part need to be seen from this perspective.”

      I, for one, take seriously the perspective on Russia of a talented researcher married to a man who grew up in Soviet-dominated Poland.

      • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

        Appelbaum’s only talent is relentlessly spewing the Washington Neocon/Likud line, pushing for hard line policies of confrontation and war everywhere (against Iraq, against Iran, against Russia, against whoever dares to resist Washington’s or Israel’s might), from the comfort of her office.

        Her hatred of Russia is pathological, as evidenced by dozens of articles all telling us how bad Russians are and the necessity for confrontation, in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal (there isn’t a US-led war this Neocon outfit isn’t cheerleading for), and Slate. As you correctly point out, she is married to the ex-foreign minister of a country known to be very anti-Russian. While I can understand the Polish point of view, given the history, Appelbaum’s links to Washington warmongers and to high level politicians in a country known to be anti-Russian should be public knowledge in ascertaining her shrill cries for yet more wars and confrontations.

        This is a more accurate situation of what is happening in Ukraine due to Washington’s warmongering than any Applebaum warmongering drivel, written by a former high level American official (in the Reagan administration, definitely not a communist or pro Soviet) who is increasingly dismayed by his country’s trail of death and destruction
        http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/26/much-war-washington-want-paul-craig-roberts/

        • Lorenzo

          “Neocon/Likud”, eh? I won’t even bother.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            The Washington Neocon hawks are closely intertwined with Israel’s Likud party, and their positions are closely aligned.

            For instance plans to overthrow Saddam’s regime were first hatched back in 1996 by an Israeli think-tank, which put out a paper titled “clean break: a new strategy for securing the realm” that they presented to Netanyahu. Washington Neocon Richard Perle was one of the “prominent opinion makers” who wrote this paper. In 2000, the Project for a New American Century (composed of the same Neocons who had hatched the 1996 paper) presented “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, which advocated the overthrow of Saddam
            http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-chaos-in-iraq-is-by-design-the-goal-is-the-break-up-the-country/5388651?print=1

            So your statement that “Neocon/Likud”, eh? I won’t even bother demonstrates both ignorance and a lack of willingness to seek more information.

          • Lorenzo

            My experience with people who use phrases like “Neocon/Likud” is that discussions with them inevitably lead down a rabbit hole of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. I’ve learned nothing from such discussions except that there are many kooks in the world.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            So you prefer to remain ignorant because escaping your ignorance might lead to uncomfortable conclusions. The link between the Washington Neoconservative warmongers (many of whom, like Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, Max Boot, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, David Frum, Norman Podhoretz, Douglas Feith, Robert Kaplan, Charles Krauthamer, Michel Leeden, Elliott Abrams and of course Ann Applebaum, are indeed jewish,) who gave us the Iraq war and tried hard for years to get Syria and Iran bombed, and Israel’s Likud, is well established. If you want to deny reality because that reality might make you uncomfortable, go ahead, remain ignorant.

            You won’t read any analysis written by a good Christian who relentlessly opposes war, torture, and police brutality (former Reagan administration official Paul Craig Roberts) just because I used the words Neocon/Likud. In fact, you won’t read anything that won’t follow the Washington approve line. Very well, keep your blinkers on.

          • Lorenzo

            This is the rabbit hole I assiduously avoid.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            Opposition to aggressive militarism and the invasion of other countries under false pretexts like inexistent weapons of mass destruction constitutes a rabbit hole for you. Go ahead, assiduously close your eyes away from reality. Now wonder you consider a vicious warmonger like Appelbaum to be a “talented researcher”.

            Anyway you still haven’t refuted my point about symbiotic link between die-hard warmongers like Applebaum and Likudniks.

          • Lorenzo

            I oppose aggressive invasions of other countries on grounds other than suspicion of some sort of Jewish cabal.

          • Lorenzo

            I can and do oppose needless invasion of other countries without believing conspiracy theories.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            Glad to hear you oppose aggressive militarism. And of course we should oppose ruthless warmongering whether it’s the US that catches the disease, or another country, and regardless of the clique behind it.

            But it is a fact that the group which pushed the US and Britain into the Iraq War (and tried but failed to push the US into a war with Iran) on the ludicrous theory that the Arabs would enjoy having “democracy” imposed on them by the barrel of the gun, were the Neocons. Most Necons were Trotskysts/leftists early in life, but moved over to the Republican Party (which was once non-interventionist) in the 70’s/80’s. With notable exceptions like Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, John Bolton, Richard Armitage and Fred Barnes (Weekly Standard) a majority of the Neocons are jewish. They are strong supporters of Israel, whose interests they conflate with America’s. Some of them, like Richard Perle, are so sympathetic to Israel that they passed classified information to the Israeli Embassy while working for the US Department of Defense. And their positions neatly dovetails with the Likud’s. This is not a conspiracy theory, but a fact.

            http://mondoweiss.net/2011/10/for-neoconservatives-israel-is-a-foreign-and-domestic-issue

            http://www.globalresearch.ca/neocon-101-what-do-neoconservatives-believe/6483
            Ann Applebaum Neocon buddies are the ones who promised the Iraq war would be a cakewalk, and who are now pushing for confrontation with Russia.

          • Nomid

            There is also the term “Zionazi” … I have heard them use it a couple of times…

            Zionazi… wow huh?

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Neocon/Likud. I get it now. That is why Syria was rearranged so it won’t challenge Israel. Have the Neocon/Likud combine thought about IS and its views on Israel? Or Mossad already in IS???

        • MileJunkie56

          You’re so full of shit, you really should crawl back under that rock from which you came from….Anyone who knows anything about the history of Russia in XX-th century has the same viewpoint as the author. You, OTOH, are nothing but pathetic piece of shit spewing your anti-Semitism here.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            I doubt you are knowledgeable about 20th century Russian history, or the history of any country in any era for that matter. Instead of refuting my points, you resort to personal insults and ad-hominem attacks. I have never called anyone a pathetic piece of shit on any message board, and don’t expect to be called that either.

            Applebaum is part of the Neocon gang who gave us the Iraq war, has tried but failed to get the US to bomb Iran on Netanyahu’s behalf for the last 10 years, and is pushing for hard line confrontation policies with Russia. The Neocon/Likud link is well established as their positions dovetail. If you want to deny reality, go right ahead.

        • MileJunkie56

          I can’t believe this idiot is linking to a crazy bat Paul Craig Roberts! This moron can’t show his face in decent company any more, he can’t get published anywhere, so he created his own web site!!! Oh, please, modernBrit, u r an embarassment…

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            Paul Craig Roberts is a good Christian who has consistently opposed aggressive militarism and the US descent into a surveillance police state.

            You, on the other hand, are unable to develop any rational arguments besides insulting people, calling PCR a moron. You are the embarrassment.

  • Patrick Roy

    Wow, the Russians have objectives. How unique.

  • greggf

    “…was West Germany’s ‘annexation’ of East Germany really legal? Should it be condemned? Ought it to be reversed?”

    Yes, yes, reverse it please…..and take Angela with it!

    • Nomid

      And that is absolutely within Russias power… Totally… Trust me… Dear lord you are becoming desperate over there…

  • Arturo

    NATO has been systematically encircling Russia since a long time. When people tell me that this is not about USA (EU is just a tool) trying to have military leverage, I laugh in your faces just like the audience in the Munich summit.
    By the way: “EU doesn’t use anonymous trolls to manipulate the media”? This just deserves a medal to hypocrisy, or even better, a nobel prize if you know what I mean.

    • big toff

      “EU doesn’t use anonymous trolls to manipulate the media”. Yeah, that was pretty much the moment I stopped taking this article seriously

    • Lorenzo

      Yes, Putin is right to be be concerned about the existential threat of NATO’s shield rattling.

  • Hegelman

    Test

  • Filad Kufal

    Glory to Putin! Death to Obama!

    • Josef Halas

      Glory to liar and gnome?

      • Filad Kufal

        Where he lied?

  • Josef Halas

    In the Czech Republic isn´t euro-sceptic government nowadays. And prezident Zeman is for European integration and EU as well. Anne Applebaum is wrong. What about Austria, it is also pro-russian? 🙂

  • UofT1

    The voices criticizing Applebaum’s article are one more weapon used very effectively by Putin in achieving his objective of rebuilding the USSR. Putin’s propaganda machine has been turned into overdrive all over the free world, where his trolls can speak freely, to present his point of view. Its objective is to soften the American and European resolve to react against the atrocities his green people keep inflicting on its neighbour.

    Western media and many politicians are drawn into discussions with pro-Russian arguments instead of dismissing them as lies as they usually are. Russian propaganda is as effective now as it was during the Soviet times, when many in the West whitewashed USSR’s attrocities under pretences of balanced opinion.

  • Avles Beluskes

    Forgot this?
    Why the Western world, so much “against Putin”, do silence on this?
    Let’s say, maybe because EU & Putin collaborated to do this, April 2010, Smolensk?

    “- Smolensk – no longer a conspiracy theory since 2012. On the 5th December 2012, Military
    investigators admitted to Polish Members of Parliament during an
    official sitting of the Justice Committee that detectors used in
    Smolensk traced/detected explosive materials on the wreckage of the
    plane [VIDEO] 5th December Justice Committee transcript in POL http://youtu.be/iuM9dMTLF-E and translation in ENG of the actual Military Prosecutors’ statement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hoQ2NIoGA.
    Furthermore, a number of relatives of the victims have come together
    and sought collectively independent analysis of the personal belonging
    of their loved ones. These analyses have independently confirmed
    presence of traces of explosive materials on the belongings of the
    victims.”

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      So the EU and Putin blew up the Polish leaders plane on the way to Smolensk for the reconciliation ceremony over the Katyn massacre? Why? So the centuries old Russia/Poland feud could continue? Ask who benefits from this feud? Who is desperate to divide and rule Europe? There was a time when a little island called Britain played “divide and rule” to rule a quarter of the globe, including giant India . Could her little colonial upstarts be playing the same game in Europe?

      • TheDane

        Putin benefits from the feud and he plays it perfectly. He did not do it but he uses it to antagonize Poles with great skill and success.
        Just keeping the wreckage of the plane is enough to make Poles chew each other’s throats. BTW Vivek. Do you know the role Radio Yerevan played during USSR time? Nomen Omen.

        • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

          I do not know about Radio Yerevan! I must confess that I listen to the LBC and BBC radio! USSR dissolved in 1991. Why are you nostalgic about it? Radio Donbass would be more relevant to my interests today!

  • Asitis3

    I cant see nothing good about the EU……i reckon we should tell putin he is welcome to all of it…( and If the Russian army is short of Sat-navs and are not sure where brussels is ) i have a couple they can have…free of charge

  • Hegelman

    Who are we to preach to others when poor people here in the UK are reduced to committing suicide and the prime monster’s wife works for a firm that uses a tax haven?

    I think the West has yet to recognise that it has lost all moral credibility. No serious person in Russia gives a damn what you all think.

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      Do wise up! Only the poor and stupid pay taxes. The rich and powerful have tax havens!

  • Jeffrey Dowling

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  • Andrew Constantine

    The most aggressive enemy facing England and her parliamentary democracy is of course the EU. I do not see Russia threatening any of England’s vital national interests.

  • zodiactimes

    Another propaganda piece full of half lies. Russians discussed the reunification of Germany, because it has never been disputed despite the absense of due political process like a referendum, while reunification of Russia and Krimea is called annexation despite all required political process was done, showing overwhelming support of the population. But the West, that already celebrated its victory, thinking that it got a nice colony there by installing the puppet government in Kiev was not happy with the loss of Krimea, and so it would not recognize it. Btw, every single ex-Soviet republic that became part of the EU has been significantly impoverished, while Russian standard of living, despite the economic crisis created by Western sanctions is still higher than in the US. Even if the West would begin sincerely believe its own propaganda, nothing can stay hidden forever, just like Jesus said.

    • TheDane

      Just visit Czech republic, Slowakia, Lithuania, Poland and you will see impoverished countries where most of newly build houses are made by Ukrainian labor. Poland recuperated from 60 years of russian paradise and now is a modern country. East Germany made enormous improvement. So you are spreading lies. That is propaganda.

  • NotYouNotSure

    Anne Applebaum, that women openly advocates for online censorship and the government to enforce laws that ban anonymous user accounts, and that then acts surprised when most people don’t like her.

    Face it Anne there are not many that like you or value your ideas, trying to shut people up is not going to change that, one does not have to be Putin troll to recognize that you are anti Freedom, anti Western and simply and unpleasant person, thats not going to win many online fans.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Applebaum is a Neocon fanatic who never saw a Washington or Israeli orchestrated war she didn’t like, keeps pushing for more. Like most of her gang who gave us the Iraq war and now wants to fan the flames of confrontation in Ukraine, she is bigoted and intolerant, and wants to remove all user comments who do not agree with her.
      http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/12/02/the-war-against-the-trolls/

      • TheDane

        My my….. I did not know that she is the one who started all that trouble

  • Chaos Noir

    Wow, the writer, along with the UK minister of defence & Cameron have forgotten that the threat to Europe has erupted over the last few years and is not only at your doorstep, but within your nations and now Putin is the threat? Seriously? In the UK you have hordes of Islamic extremists screeching for sharia law & limited freedom of speech, you’ve had some state schools compromised, you’ve had the July bombings, the Rigby murder. In the remainder of Europe you’ve had newspaper editors killed, Jews assaulted & murdered, and in every nation featuring a dense & extremist Muslim rise in population, a rise in anti-Semitism & you still rave on about Putin? Well this piece must clearly be UK propaganda. It seems that the next step nations take, like the US & UK [it’s an established pattern now], when they’re faced with their own economic woes is war & they try to make it a ‘just war’. I doubt people are stupid enough to buy it.

    • Alex Creel

      It is possible to be threatened by more than one thing at a time, they don’t queue up and take turns. However, the threat from a very small, poorly equipped bunch of amateur jihadists capable of killing 10’s of people at a time clearly pales in comparison with a heavily armed expansionist force led by a sociopath with a napoleon complex and a similar ‘stature’ issue.

      • Chaos Noir

        You’re giving Putin way too much credit. If you think the threat is small (re jihadists), good luck to you. If the UK security was so fantastic, why did the July bombings occur – if the threat is supposed to be ‘small’ as you say. UK propaganda never changes. It’s identical to US propaganda, the same type that called for a war in Iraq, the ‘WMD’ that didn’t exist, etc. I don’t think Putin gives one crap about taking over the UK or any other smaller nation, considering Russia has the largest land mass in Europe.
        What you’re describing is yet another ‘cold war’ or cold war 2.0, which America would love to have, because it detracts from their failure to control the terrorist hordes in the Middle East, hordes they nurtured for years.

        • Alex Creel

          I’ve no illusions about UK security being ‘fantastic’ – but I feel more threatened by Putin than Islam. His Russia is about to take a dip in living standards and it’s a little difficult to avoid the blame for that as he’s a fascist dictator. So, diverting attention with NATO baiting in Ukraine may be a good short term plan but I don’t believe he’s done it without long term expansion in mind.

          • Chaos Noir

            If you live in the UK and you feel more threatened by Putin than the Islamist hordes within the UK, those that recently protested about Mohammed cartoons, rather than protest about innocent people being killed by ISIL, then I worry for you. The level of propaganda is so rife, what is also worrying is that you believe it. The Spectator also had a Twitter headline/tweet along the lines of ‘why Stalin is better than Putin’, when Stalin killed more people than Hitler, which in my view is abhorrent for the Spectator to make light of and reduces its credibility significantly.
            But the other thing? How many don’t see how Germany control the EU and how it has become a form of economic imperialism. If that’s not more of a concern to Europeans, then what is? How is Putin more significant when the poverty level in the EU is not really improving, there are concerns about energy supply, etc, etc, not a smooth union at all when you look at it – free movement over borders, which places stress on resources like NHS, etc. I’d be more worried about that, than Putin.

          • Alex Creel

            You seem to have an intersting worldview there. So, constant news reports, articles and increasingly hysterical healines about islamic terrorism are to be believed but the same tone regarding russia is not to be believed? So I’m being manipulated to believe awful things of Putin but not being manipulated to fear ‘Islamist hordes’ within the UK? Your language seems inflamatory and entirely without justification. This is how I approach a threat – how widespread is it? How well equipped is it? how likely is it to affect me? I was in Manchester the day the IRA used a massive, professionally built bomb to destroy a good portion of a heavily populated city. But apparently I’m to be terrified by idiotic individuals equipped with a kitchen knife? You give them FAR more credit than they deserve and in doing so perpetuate their cause.

          • Chaos Noir

            What reports, articles? Those articles that appear in pro US publications, in Murdoch publications and the like? How widespread? So to you, indoctrination in religious centres and schools is not a threat? When a heinous death cult like ISIS is planning to cross into Europe, it’s not a threat & Putin is a threat. How is Putin a threat to you and others like you, that’s what I’d like to know, because it seems that when Lee Rigby was crossing the road, he met the threat head on (no pun intended). The IRA started off small as well and they were considered a threat in the end, weren’t they? The difference between the IRA and the types of extremists that want sharia law is that the latter can’t be negotiated with.

      • Chaos Noir

        Wow, see this is how freedom of speech works on these publications. If I’m not mistaken, the comments below have been deleted, as I can’t see them. It’s so ‘offensive’ to call out leaders like Obama, Cameron, etc, for what they are.

  • Chaos Noir

    Why doesn’t the author mention the IMF & its role over the decades? Why does the EU court Ukraine – a nation that does not qualify to join it? Why would a portion of Russian speaking/ethic Ukrainians want to be a part of that? Many don’t but the IMF & EU don’t care. Since when is it proper to loan insolvent nations money?
    This form of economic colonialism called the EU is not working.

  • grutchyngfysch

    “The EU doesn’t use anonymous trolls to manipulate the media”

    Oh come now, they may not be anonymous but this is surely the role of the BBC and Channel 4 is it not?
    [Grutchyngfysch is free from proprietorial influence and is not – sadly – in receipt of a large sum of money from a Russian media outfit]

  • Robert Miller

    Putin is playing a game that is so totally in complete disregard for the truth, he is a compulsive liar. He has sucked in Merkle and Hollande and made them look stupid, he has made them look like suckers. Putin has deliberately broken the Budapest Memorandum and he has broken Minsk 1 and now also Minsk 2. This man is so 1938, so 1939, so 1941 and Putin’s troops still do the Goose Step. He started with Georgia, now Ukraine, who is next!
    I think this is a very thought provoking article Anne, thank you and well done!

    • Nomid

      Some say the Baltics..

      I just don’t think that Putin will be that stupid.
      But then againt it seems like you never know with that maniac

    • TheDane

      Poor Putin. His greed and ruthlessness trapped him to stay on top of Russia.
      He can not let anyone to be the next president because the tradition compels new ruler to account the previous one. With no mercy. So he can not afford that.

  • Lawrence Milford

    The new Greek government did not object to the sanctions against Russia, but to the fact that the EU reported unanimous support without even bothering to ask Greece…

  • FactsWillOut

    Yeah, he’s the REAL danger, not the elected officials importing Muslims and letting them rape and kill while imposing police states the rest of us, banning free speech, banning guns, nope, it’s Putin.

    The author is clearly an insane EUphile.

    • G.

      Who is “importing Muslims”?
      Because of Putin the Butcher of Grozny, who was trigger-happy to start 2d war with when Chechnya was on 3d year of newly obtained independence, making Grozny the most destroyed city on Earth since WW2 and making a death toll up to third of a million, Chechnya is now “imported” to be part of Russia.
      Who “imported” Ingushetia and Dagestan?
      There are 15% Muslims in Russia now, 21-23 million of Russia’s total population, 3 million are in Moscow alone, and numbers are rapidly growing..
      Who in 2006, in a bid to compensate for the country’s demographic decline, started simplifying immigration laws to bring Immigrants from Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan?
      Russia very soon will be the largest Muslim country in the world.

  • Piotr Szafrański

    The old Soviet Union was busy proving that black is white, and busy establishing own order (admittedly elaborate) anywhere they could.

    Russia today is getting busy proving there is no black nor white, just that everything is gray. And they do not try to build own elaborate order, just to destroy whatever order exists.

    This seems more dangerous and more difficult to counter. And much easier for them.

    There is of course an associated problem – how Russia itself will fare, as a society, with values stripped of their meaning, reduced to mere words being used to label whatever convenient at the moment? Of course many people in Russia already ask this question – which is hopeful. The final scene in “Leviathan” (will it get this Oscar?) is exactly this question.

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      I like the colours of gray/grey. Is it 50 shades of grey? I do not like the black and white cowboy approach of the “superior and civilised” west. Too simplistic and childish!

      • Piotr Szafrański

        You might not have noticed, but few people “west” think of themselves as “superior and civilized” nowadays. But this is different from being blind to what white and black actually means. Or forgetting that those colors actually do exist.

        • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

          Black and white? Did you know that scientists had invented the blackest of blacks using the special properties of graphene?

          So who decides on black and white, right from wrong? The international court? Not very credible when the US will not submit.

          So who decided that the USSR’s border were no longer valid, when millions had died to defend and expand its borders during WW2. Why, it was the descendants of those who had made that sacrifice, the leaders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, with reluctant Kazakhstan having to go along with the dissolution.

          Who decided that the internal borders of Yugoslavia were to be declared sacrosanct as international borders?
          Who decided that borders of Serbia had to be redrawn by force?
          Who decided that the Soviet borders of Ukraine, finalised by Stalin and Khruschev, were so holy that a new cold war had to be started to get the RF to back down?
          Who decided that self determination of Crimea and the Donbass is subordinated to the European and world order of immutable borders, no matter the cost in human lives?
          Who decided when a coup in Ukraine is a “democratic revolution”?

          It seems that the expansionist and supremacists west have given themselves a bit too much power to dictate to a reluctant world and huge countries like Russia, India and China will not submit to these diktats.
          Unless a new world order, aka multipolar world, is negotiated by calm rational agreement, the 21st century could be a very hot one.

          • Piotr Szafrański

            Vivek: deciding/finding what is black and what is white is one of perhaps most important tasks for every human being. I will not do this for you, I cannot do this for you, I am not allowed to do this for you. I, however, can and do it for myself.

            I am glad though that you believe there IS black and there IS white. We obviously disagree and this is not good. But if each of us would not believe that there IS truth and there IS falsehood, if we believed “all is the same”, the world would be a nightmarish place, do not you think?

            So let’s celebrate that each of us believes in something. As long as we do seek and believe in truth, we might meet some day. Because the truth IS, and is only one. Of course we might kill each other before we reach that, but that’s an old human history. Cheers!

          • https://twitter.com/Suada1976 Suada

            In almost all the cases you mention, the answer is the UN or the EU, citing customary international law.

  • Richard Eldritch

    “The EU doesn’t use anonymous trolls to manipulate the media, as Russia does all over central Europe.”

    Laughable. The EU even have a special youth Internet Squad who are paid to promote the EU and troll EU unbelievers. Ridiculous women.

  • Vasil Dart

    http://youtu.be/2Dt01hkJUjI – Putin is russian Dart Vader

    • Dorothy (Dot) Commie

      Evader of political darts?

  • mountain dweller

    excellent writer who is definitely not on Putins Christmas care list

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/…/dec/…/how-he-and-his-cronies-stole-russia

  • Tubbo

    I just cannot understand this fear of Russia.

    Look at what the US/Nato has done to the middle east. Total destruction. Their propaganda is basically the same, and yet, you still believe them?

    • TheDane

      Are you so young that you do not remember who “created” PLO and Yassir Arafat and supported the terrorist in UN? It was not US/NATO. It was Nikita Chrustschoff….

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Funny that! Both Palestine and Israel were mentioned in the bible. The Romans also had problems with Israel and Palestine. Did Nikita also write the bible too? What do they teach in Bandera schools these days???

        • TheDane

          Are you really that ignorant or are you just dishonest?
          And you are teaching….. My my! The teacher should notice the quotation marks.
          No, in case you do not know Nikita did not write the Bible. But he probably wrote your bible. BTW. I have less reasons than you to love Bandera. You missed totally

      • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

        Russia abandoned communism 24 years ago, in case you didn’t notice.

        Glad you don’t like terrorists and their supporters. Do you know how the Israelis managed to get their state? Google Irgun, Stern Gang, King David Hotel. Don’t see why we should hate Russia because the Soviet Union may have supported Arafat 40 years ago. Menachem Begin was the former Irgun leader who became Israeli PM, I don’t see why Arafat should be singled out because he wasn’t as successful.

  • Novorrossiya

    As a spaniard I can only confirm what the pro.NATO troll Applebaum writes. We are itchin to get out of this neocon monster the EU has become.
    And the moment NATO gets fully involved in this mess they started in ucranie we’re out of NATO with Greece and probably Italy and france.
    We don’t give a f***** about Ucranie. Actually I don’t think we’d give a f***** if the russians invade Berlin again—good riddance, Angela. Enjoy the gulag.

    • Scradje

      Kremtrolls have invaded even the speccy.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Hi Scradje old boy! Still spouting you love of Russian trolls or is that dolls? Why don’t you marry one and have lots of baby trolls. Get over it!

        • Scradje

          Another kremtroll who posts anti -Ukraine lies and hate.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Hello again Scradje old boy! I am giving my true opinions from London UK. Can you find London on the map or do you need any help? Should have gone to Specsavers!

            Still spouting the poisonous views from Banderaland? I bet you don’t find it tragic that Banderaland was cleared of Poles and Jews during WW2. No wonder that the Galicians and their stooges are trying the same tactic of ethnic cleansing in the Donbass. Not going so well, is it , for the western supremacists, expansionists and their neo nazi Ukrainian stooges?

          • Scradje

            Fascists paid to post hate and lies on behalf of the Kremlin murder gang do not belong in the speccy.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            So which change of history do you want this time after holocaust denial and the liberation of Auschwitz by Ukrainian troops? Do you have any idea about how many Poles and Jews died at the hands of Bandera, OUN and the Nazis during WW2 to make Western Ukraine safe for today’s Bandera worshippers?
            That would be ancient history except the same tactics of killing and ethnic cleansing are being used to make the Donbass safe for the Kiev neo nazi US stooges.
            I have a link from that bastion of Kremlin propaganda, the BBC
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28969784

            “Ukraine’s war: The human cost
            5,665 people killed and 13,961 wounded in eastern Ukraine
            Fatalities include 298 people on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down on 17 July
            5.2 million people estimated to be living in conflict areas
            978,482 internally displaced people within Ukraine, including 119,832 children
            600,000 fled to neighbouring countries, of whom more than 400,000 have gone to Russia
            Source: Figures from UN reports, 6 and 17 February”

            Read the second last line above. Of the 600,000 refugees from the Donbass ATO to neighbouring countries, how come 400,000 have fled to “enemy” RF? How come 3 million Ukrainians live and work in “enemy” RF? And just how many times have the RF invaded Ukraine since 2014? Hundreds? Isn’t the Donbass getting a bit overcrowded with the entire population of RF?

            Poor brainwashed Russia hating Scradje!!!

          • Scradje

            Kremtrolls are brainless as well as evil. They are supplied with pages and pages of lies, hate and threats from the controllers in SP kremtroll central. This particular troll is well known; he/it has to post in great numbers to get paid.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            What’s the matter, Srcadje baby? Can’t be bothered to read the BBC link? That is the British Broadcasting Corporation, BBC. Does you poor brainwashed Russia hating mind think that the BBC is now full of “Russian Kremtrolls” too? Better check under your bed tonight: there could be a “Kremtroll” hiding there too!
            POOR BRAINWASHED RUSSIA HATING SCRADGE!!!

          • Scradje

            I like Russia. I hate fascists and paid lying trolls seething with hate and malevolence.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            So, since you now suddenly claim to love Russia so much, can you now explain why 400,000 Ukrainians would choose to flee to “enemy” Russian Federation and 3 million would still be living and working in the same “enemy” RF? How many times has the RF invaded Ukraine according to the neo nazi US stooges of Kiev???
            JUST HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK THE WORLD IS???

          • Scradje

            I do not debate with paid fascist trolls, liars , haters or imbeciles.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            You have my sympathies! The poor brainwashed Russia hating Scradje brain must really hurt when confronted with awkward facts.
            YOU HAVE MY SYMPATHIES!

          • Scradje

            Kremtrolls are incapable of sympathy. Only lies , threats and hate.

          • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

            Poor brainwashed Russia hating Scradje.
            You have my sympathies!

    • TheDane

      Just count how many russians live in Spain. If more than a thousand Putin has a legitimate claim for defending their rights. Like he did in Tshetschnia, Georgia, Nagorno karabach, Crimea, Donbass….

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Crimea has been Russian since 1783.

  • Che Guevara

    Anne Applebaum should ask herself why so many Eastern Europeans are disillusioned with the liberal post-communist reforms, instead of sniffing for Russian conspiracies. Viktor Orban was elected in 2010 because so many Hungarians became disillusioned with liberal reforms, not because of a Russian conspiracy.
    Czechs are indeed more friendly towards Russians than troglodyte Poles, and I admire them for that.
    Yes, Russia would be happy if some countries left the EU, and the EU policies of austerity and war are helping to achieve that. Germany and the U.S. will blow up the EU with their austerity and wars.

    • TheDane

      Keep on admiring heroic Chechs. One can clearly see that you did not experience Russian friendliness. Hungarians try to milk the EU and Russia simultaneously and work for Putin splitting EU’s unity. Troglodyte Poles managed to maintain their independence of russian gas and managed to grow while rest of Europe stagnated. That hurts you my friend and i wonder why? I think Mrs. Applebaum has more wit in her little finger that you in your whole body. Ask your employer for a rise and your humor will improve.

      • NotYouNotSure

        Independence ? Over 50% of their gas comes from Russia, I don’t consider that independent. You have neither wit or intelligence, if you find Appelbaum funny, then you are simply thick.

      • Che Guevara

        I did in fact experience Russian “fraternity”, and also martial law in 80s. Back then I hated everything Soviet with a vengeance, but I could never imagine that worse is yet to come under EU and NATO.
        Poland after communism can hardly be considered a success story. About 3 million people have emigrated, most of them young and working age. That’s almost 10% of the population. It’s a demographic catastrophe comparable to WWII.
        I visited the towns I knew before the fall of communism, and they are now ghost towns. There are only old and unemployed people left, wandering about on flee markets.
        Poland has turned into a source of cheap labor for Western Europe, and cannon fodder for American wars.
        This isn’t the freedom and prosperity that Poles were dreaming about before the fall of communism.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      I would be so happy if the EU blew up, and Brits and all other Europeans were free of this bureaucratic monster.

      But I doubt the US will help this good cause. They love the EU, it means the US State Department can tell its European vassals what to do with 1 phone call, instead of needing 25.

    • Piotr Szafrański

      “Troglodyte Pole…”? Maybe. Being one and proud of it. If “troglodyte” means actually wanting to rule own land and destiny, and not being ready to trade freedom for somebody’s grace of letting me live.

      It makes little sense to see Poles and Czechs as opposite. Both nations worked quite close to get themselves out of former Soviet Union embrace. I could tell you many stories of hardcore Czech patriots, past and present.

      There is also nothing wrong with being friendly with Russians. A great nation, great people. Just as long as they respect the “Russia/not Russia” chart, and they do not get too paranoid about someone else supposedly not respecting that chart in other direction.

      • Che Guevara

        What Polish freedom do you speak of? Poland has become a disgusting vassal of the U.S., groveling at the master’s feet, like a “kundel”.
        Where are the “offsets” in return for purchasing used F16s? Where are the contracts in return for invading Iraq? Polish politicians were loudly touting the benefits of being an American waterboy. Where are they? It’s not raining, they’re just spitting in your face.

        Czechs on the other hand have retained more dignity and common sense than Poles.

        • Piotr Szafrański

          It is obvious you and I belong to very different crowds. You seem to see mainly (real or imagined) reasons for people to hate their lives, hate their fates and hate each other. Have fun. Your choice.

          One thing we apparently agree on is that Czech people are decent folks. I suspect we do it while seeing different things and for different reasons, but is is nice to agree on something, isn’t it?

          One remark though: we did not send 25000+ young boys and girls risking their lives in Iraq to get some “contracts in return for invading”. We believed we help Iraqi people to get rid of a bloody dictator – that was it. “For our and your freedom” is a traditional motto of Polish Armed Forces. Always.

          • Che Guevara

            The slogan “For our and your freedom” (“Za wolność naszą i waszą”) sounds very noble indeed, but in reality has never worked. Over the centuries Poles have volunteered for the services of Western powers, hoping to curry favor in their struggle against Russia, but Western countries have never reciprocated. I don’t see how NATO is any better than Napoleon was.

            What is worse, oftentimes Poles volunteered to fight against people who themselves were struggling for freedom, like Haitians and Spaniards fighting Napoleon. In modern times Poles have attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, for no good reason.

            So I wouldn’t even mention “For our and your freedom”, because it’s naive, and even shameful.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_our_freedom_and_yours

          • Piotr Szafrański

            Well, not your motto, so why you care? As I wrote, we are in different crowds. This is the motto of my people, and somehow I am not ashamed of those who served under that banner, nor I think them naive. On the contrary.

            Poland today is free. And probably never been better, economically and otherwise. And this is in a huge part thanks to “centuries of Poles” you mentioned. “Naive”? well, the history proved they were not.

            And, by the way, I do not think many Poles fought somewhere “to curry someone’s favor”. These people fought for freedom – and “favors” is not something one has in high regard then. I wonder if you get this. “Favor” is a word belonging to a different world, world we always wanted to get out of.

  • Cobbett

    I was thinking about the slaughter in Gaza last year and the annexation of the West Bank earlier – How is that acceptable (and America’s crimes that are too numerous to mention)….and what the new ‘Hitler’ is doing isn’t?
    Stick your neo-con warmongering you know where, dear.

  • http://tracesofevil.com/ Paige

    Where is England? How total is the collapse of everything Churchill strove for

    • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

      England is still in Europe and has not yet sailed off into the Atlantic to kiss New York and Washington. Mind you, it is time we left the EU and let that evil war mongering Ukraine destroying “Union” drown in its own contradictions.

  • Adi

    I found this article interesting, until I got to the paragraph “A Czech or Romanian government which would join the Greeks in opposing sanctions on Russia would also be useful….”. Utter nonsense and fantasy!

    Nothing in the article up to that point suggested the Romanian government might be against sanctions on Russia (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/tense-situation-in-ukraine-worries-neighboring-romania – indeed their are quite proud to point out they do not rely on Russia for energy), but I have yet to see a country (people, businesses and politicians) more suspicious of the Russian politics (though I haven’t been to the Baltics or Poland) and with good reason to.

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  • Piotr Quaz

    Dan52, Hitler’s nazi Germany’s economy was in a deep crisis in 1939, and shattered in 1941. Germany functioned as an autarky then and was the adapted for German needs copy of the Soviet economy. This not only didn’t mean it was harmless (as Mother History did show) and lacked military power, but – more – it was strong enough to avoid internal troubles. Keep this in mind.

  • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

    There is one thing that modern Ukraine can adopt straight from the US and that is its remarkable federal constitution. Then perhaps Donbass will be kind enough to forgive the death squads and stay with Ukraine? What a genius idea to elect state governors, define federal powers with the residue with the states, have 2 senators from each state regardless of population. Isn’t it strange that the liar leaders of today’s USA advise Ukraine not to federalise like the US? I suppose it is much easier to control a unitary Ukraine than a federal Ukraine through well placed US stooges like Yats and Petro. Same old expansionist and supremacist west!

    • compatriots king

      even india is federal. Thats the only reason why the country survives today with our wide ethnicities.

      • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

        Precisely! Speaking as a British Indian, we need more states in India, at least 50 to equal the United States. That would make the average Indian state with 24 million people compared to only 6 million for the US. UP is still too big (more people than the whole of Japan!) and Maharashtra, Gujarat, West Bengal and Tamil Nadu all need more states. As the country continues to grow more states can be afforded to improve governance. Some US states have less than 1/2 million people!

        I find it very suspicious that federal US, federal Canada, federal Germany and federal Australia have been dead against the federalisation of Ukraine. Do they have something RACIST against the Donbass people, just because they are Russian speaking and have made the “wrong” Russian choice???

  • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

    Must read: this is Applebaum’s latest hate piece against Russia, this time in the Washington Post. Seems she fears Germany could take a leadership role in Europe’s crises. Germany cannot be trusted to espouse Washington’s hard line confrontational stance, and horror of horrors might favour peace and economic collaboration instead. Germany wants peace, what a nightmare!

    http://wordlink.com/l/Yw3H

    Stop whatever you are doing and read the latest installment of Applebaum’s hate fest free of charge!

  • Vivek Nariyan (Yerevan)

    No neo nazis in Ukraine: check out our wonderful pro EU/US/NATO boys in Ukraine:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcR9jl4AM3A

    Do remember, the “civilised” west does not support any neo nazis in Ukraine. That would go against its fundamental principles, wouldn’t it? What a bunch of liars from the western expansionist and supremacist gang! But these are “good” neo nazis in Ukraine who have made the right “European choice” and who love killing Russian speaking Eastern Ukrainians on behalf of “civilised” west.

    So check this interview given by Kiev’s ambassador to Berlin on German TV:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcR9jl4AM3A

  • Baron

    Baron got back from Prague recently, too, found the people there fed up with Brussels as much as they were discontented with the Kremlin Red Menace before 1990.

  • Baron

    The petulant, narcissistic messiah in the White House wants Russia to be cut off from Swift (amongst other sanctions already in place), and yet Ms Applebaum argues the KGB colonel wants to draw the Iron Curtain in Europe again. Arghhh

    One of the Slavonic tribes has a saying ‘no matter how good one is one cannot knit anything useful from a pile of $hite.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Misusing the financial system to impose sanctions on countries Washington wants to bring to heel (Iran, Russia) is ultimately self-destructive, and will lessen Washington’s power in the long run.

      Russia is already setting up its own SWIFT system. The BRIC nations have set up their own IMF independent of Washington. And China is increasingly tired of financing American wars it doesn’t want via the petrodollar system. The countries Washington want to aggress/contain/sanction/hurt are increasingly setting up their own systems, which will lessen the power of Washington and its European puppets in the longer term.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

    The sub-caption reads, “Across the new Europe, a little bit of Russian influence is going a long way”

    More than the Marxist Anne Applebaum will admit…

    Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and Soviet minister of foreign affairs Eduard Shevardnadze on the upcoming new European union with Russia:

    ‘Editor’s Note: The phrases ‘From the Atlantic to the Urals’, ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’ and ‘From Vancouver to Vladivostok’ are interchangeable in the strategists’ lexicon. In the course of his Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo in June 1992, Gorbachev said: ‘Our [sic] vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals is not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union [sic], which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries’. Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia. In an interview on Moscow Television on 19 November 1991, Eduard Shevardnadze continued speaking as though he was still Soviet Foreign Minister: ‘I think that the idea of a Common European Home, the building of a united Europe, and I would like to underline today, of great Europe, the building of Great Europe, great, united Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, including all our territory, most probably a European-Asian space, this project is inevitable. I am sure that we will come to building a united military space as well. To say more precisely: we will build a united Europe, whose security will be based on the principles of collective security. Precisely, collective security’. These statements by key implementers of the strategy reflect the central strategic objective of asserting ‘irreversible’ Russian/Soviet hegemony over Eurasia, thus establishing the primary geographical component of the intended World Government.’ — “The Perestroika Deception”, by KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn.

    http://www.spiritoftruth.org/The_Perestroika_Deception.pdf

    And here’s more on the upcoming “Atlantic to Vladivostok” union…

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140210090314/http://www.russkiymir.ru/russkiymir/en/publications/interview/interview0004.html

    And here’s Vladimir Putin in 2012 pushing the new union with Europe…

    ‘Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans. We are by no means indifferent to developments in united Europe.

    That is why Russia proposes moving toward the creation of a common economic and human space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean – a community referred by Russian experts to as “the Union of Europe,” which will strengthen Russia’s potential and position in its economic pivot toward the “new Asia.”‘

    http://valdaiclub.com/politics/39300.html

    When the new “Atlantic to Vladivostok” union materializes, Communist strategists will have achieved two goals, (1) the further isolation of the United States in the world; and (2) the disbanding of NATO.

    The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    Notice that not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    It gets worse–the “freed” Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of “Perestroika” (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

    The above means that the so-called “War on Terror” is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending “War on Terror”; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union “From the Atlantic to Vladivostok”; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    Now you know how Bolshevik Russia survived in 1917; how the West “lost” China to the Communists in 1949; why the Eisenhower administration turned a deaf ear to the anti-Communist Hungarian uprising in 1956; why the Eisenhower administration in 1959 was indifferent to the Castro brothers’ Communist fidelity, actually used the CIA to overthrow the Batista government; why the Nixon administration abandoned Taiwan for Communist China, and signed treaties/provided economic aid to the USSR; why the Nixon administration refused to tell the American People that over 50% of North Vietnamese NVA regiments were actually Chinese People’s Liberation Army soldiers (attired in NVA uniforms, and proving that the Sino/Soviet Split was a ruse, as KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn told the West back in 1962), thereby (1) ensuring the Vietnam War would be lost; (2) destroying the prominence of the United States abroad and at home; (3) breeding distrust between the American people and their government; and (4) securing Communist victories in Southeast Asia. Working in the background within the political parties of the United States and Great Britain were Marxist agents doing their best to (1) ensure the survival of Communist nations when they popped up; and (2) sabotage any policies that would bring down a Communist nation. That’s why after the fake collapses of the East Bloc nations and USSR there was no mandatory Western verification process to ensure the Communists weren’t still in control.

    Approximately 97% of Lenin’s statues that stood in Russia before the fake collapse of the USSR are to this day still standing (that 97% statistic constitutes thousands of statues)….

    “Almost every town in Russia has a prominent statue of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, father of the October Revolution…”

    http://www.saint-petersburg.com/monuments/ploshchad-lenina/

    The only statues taken down were in those locations where foreign tourists would travel the most, and those statues weren’t destroyed either but re-located to museums or parks, waiting there for their planned resurrections–after the defeat of the West…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Monument_Park

    In fact, in other “former” republics of the USSR statues of Lenin weren’t toppled and destroyed either, they were carefully removed from their foundations and relocated to new locations, such as in the backyard of the Estonian History Museum at the Maarjamaë Palace.

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lenin_statue,_Maarjama%C3%AB_Palace,_Tallinn._Estonia.jpg

    …and in Lithuania, statues to Lenin and Marx are located at Grūtas Park, which also incredulously has, now get this, a Soviet theme park, replete with “…a mini-zoo and cafes, all containing relics of the Soviet era. On special occasions actors stage re-enactments of various Soviet-sponsored festivals”!…

    http://www.goworldtravel.com/travel-lithuania-grutas-park-reminder-of-dark-past/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C5%ABtas_Park

    Now you know why up uitll 2013 the “electorates” of Russia, Georgia and the Ukraine only “elected” for president Soviet era Communist Party member Quislings, except for the first president of Georgia, Zviad Gamsakhurdia, a true dissident who didn’t even last nine months in office before he was ousted in a coup, later said to have committed “suicide”. Zviad Gamsakhurdia was a failed test run to see if a non-Communist Party member president could be controlled. Since when are hated Quislings elected back into power as president!

    The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    Notice that not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    It gets worse–the “freed” Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of “Perestroika” (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

    The above means that the so-called “War on Terror” is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending “War on Terror”; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union “From the Atlantic to Vladivostok”; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    Now you know how Bolshevik Russia survived in 1917; how the West “lost” China to the Communists in 1949; why the Eisenhower administration turned a deaf ear to the anti-Communist Hungarian uprising in 1956; why the Eisenhower administration in 1959 was indifferent to the Castro brothers’ Communist fidelity, actually used the CIA to overthrow the Batista government; why the Nixon administration abandoned Taiwan for Communist China, and signed treaties/provided economic aid to the USSR; why the Nixon administration refused to tell the American People that over 50% of North Vietnamese NVA regiments were actually Chinese People’s Liberation Army soldiers (attired in NVA uniforms, and proving that the Sino/Soviet Split was a ruse, as KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn told the West back in 1962), thereby (1) ensuring the Vietnam War would be lost; (2) destroying the prominence of the United States abroad and at home; (3) breeding distrust between the American people and their government; and (4) securing Communist victories in Southeast Asia. Working in the background within the political parties of the United States and Great Britain were Marxist agents doing their best to (1) ensure the survival of Communist nations when they popped up; and (2) sabotage any policies that would bring down a Communist nation. That’s why after the fake collapses of the East Bloc nations and USSR there was no mandatory Western verification process to ensure the Communists weren’t still in control.

    Further proof that the Soviet Union never collapsed:

    (1) The Emblem of the Soviet Union atop the Russian State Duma building…

    http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/544004264-duma-kremlin-palace-russian-flag-red-square.jpg

    Notice that the State Emblem of the Soviet Union is illuminated at night for clear viewing by Muscovites…

    http://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-3345878-stock-footage-street-traffic-on-okhotny-ryad-and-state-duma-at-evening-in-moscow.html

    …however the coat of arms of the Russian Federation, situated above the door between the fourth and fifth floors, isn’t illuminated, though either side of the heraldic design is illuminated for no apparent purpose other than to highlight the heraldic design’s obsolescence.

    (2) High atop the facade of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs building, the State Emblem of the Soviet Union

    is Illuminated with pinpoint precision at night…

    http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5168126126_02c5505a79_m.jpg

    (3) The State Emblem of the Soviet Union atop the Russian Ministry of Defense building, including other Soviet era iconography…

    http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/51802114.jpg

    (4) Soviet Red Stars atop Kremlin towers remain where Stalin placed them in 1935…

    http://rt.com/files/news/37/3d/30/00/russia-ukraine-dialogue-peskov.si.jpg

    (5) Moscow’s Central Post Office employees are still in the dark as to the “collapse” of the USSR in late 1991..

    http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2012/10/Central_telegraph_Moscow.jpg

    Why, you ask? Click the following link for the answer…

    https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWwliNXIZONPNidfnkRh6BxX75JS3mQB5Qp0PCgGiYzNI61EF2

    (6)Headquarters of the Russian Federal Security Service, and the Soviet Union’s security service, the KGB…

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/16187/98708185.20/0_d84cd_41f388f4_XL.jpg

    Note the State Emblem of the Soviet Union still over the main door, and hammer and sickle logo still above the clock. Click following link for nighttime view…

    http://vindenes.nu/gallery/wp-content/gallery/m419.jpg

    Note illumination of hammer & sickle, and enhanced illumination of area above the main door, where the office of the KGB chief was located (third floor).

    (7) Satellite image of the Volga River cities of Engels, (right), and Saratov (left)…

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9504/190708966.8/0_8a367_1ca2f18f_L.jpg

    Engels Air Force Base is east of Engels city, where the two long parallel lines are located, …

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w6rMlJAPFXU/UJ7KEuTD1FI/AAAAAAAABnE/9JkaNrXYY28/s1600/RUSSIA-ENGEL.jpg

    Notice that Engels city and adjacent air base were named after Marxist “hero” Friedrich Engels, but the names were never changed after Russians were “liberated” from Soviet tyranny in December 1991 with the “collapse” of the USSR.

    (8) Red Star, the Official newspaper of the Soviet Union’s Ministry of Defense…

    http://cdn3.img22.ria.ru/images/98392/32/983923224.jpg

    Note the Soviet era title (Red Star) and the four Soviet emblems (representing awards) to the left of the masthead, the outer emblem displaying Vladimir Lenin. Now, click the following link to view the official newspaper of the Russian Ministry of Defense…

    http://www.redstar.ru/

    The newspaper is still called Red Star(!) and still has the four Soviet emblems with Vladimir Lenin still present!

    (9) Soviet roundel still on Russian military aircraft…

    http://theuspatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Russian-fighter-jets1.jpg

    (10) Soviet era Communist emblem (red star) still attached to the port bow of the Russian missile cruiser Varyag…

    http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn-latino/news/Russian%20Naval%20Ship.jpg

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Thanks for your long post. I agree with some of your ideas. I also regret that Russia hasn’t completely wiped of its Soviet past away. I would love to see all Soviet symbols and Lenin statues disappear. Countries need a history, but Russia has plenty of heroes from its glorious Tsarist past – Peter the Great and Catherine the Great come to mind.

      But you are wrong to regards today’s Russia as little more than disguised communism. Russia is more capitalist than the US in certain respects. Top rate of tax in Russia is 13% and it’s a flat rate. Top rate of tax in allegedly capitalist US is 40%, and it’s heavily progressive, as Karl Marx recommended.

      In cultural terms, Russia now promotes Orthodox Christianity. The USA promotes abortion on demand, gay rights, universal NSA surveillance, and the overthrow of foreign governments that disagree. The roles have now reversed. Russia is the right-wing conservative nation, the USA is the Bolshevik nation promoting regime change abroad and KGB surveillance at home. American conservatives like Patrick Buchanan have noticed this role reversal.
      http://buchanan.org/blog/putin-one-us-6071

      We Europeans lack energy and natural resources. We share the same culture as Russia. We need Russia to survive, and Russia needs us. The idea of a Europe-Russia block makes full sense. Only Washington and the Americans would want to sabotage this, and are doing so by fanning t he flames of war in Ukraine and trying to prevent EU/Russia collaboration in everyway. This is against our interests. We are sick and tired of your Trotskyst Neocon warmongers in Washington.

      • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

        “Countries need a history, but Russia has plenty of heroes from its glorious Tsarist past – Peter the Great and Catherine the Great come to mind.”

        That’s the point I’m making. Those statues to Communist “heroes” can only be still standing if the “collapse” of the USSR was a strategic ruse, and your observation that “Russia is more capitalist than the US in certain respects” is in error, naturally. The medium to large capitalized businesses are controlled by Soviet era KGB/GRU officers or Soviet era Communist Party members.

        It hasn’t hit you yet, but my comment proves that the “collapse” of the USSR was a strategic ruse.

        “In cultural terms, Russia now promotes Orthodox Christianity.”

        The KGB agent Quislings that controlled the Russian Orthodox Church before the “collapse” of the USSR are to this day still in control. They were never identified and thrown out of that institution after the “collapse” of the USSR. The same is true for all other religious institutions in the other 14 republics of the USSR, including East Bloc nations, proving not only co-option of those religious institutions, but that the “collapses” of the East Bloc and USSR were disinformation operations.

        Now take a look at the following article from Bulgaria on this subject of continued Marxist religious co-option behind the Iron Curtain…

        http://sofiaecho.com/2012/01/17/1747052_eleven-out-of-15-members-of-bulgarian-orthodox-churchs-holy-synod-worked-for-communist-state-security

        The Bulgarian Files Commission also caught Soviet era state security agents in control of the political parties, military, bureaucracy, press, and other institutions throughout Bulgaria…

        http://www.novinite.com/articles/149908/143+Bulgarian+MP+Hopefuls+Exposed+as+Communist+Spies

        The Bulgarian government was politically forced into creating the Files Commission investigations due to the publication of a best selling book that noted the strange occurrence of Soviet era state security agents still on the government payroll. Otherwise there would have been no verification investigations, as is the case in the other nations that comprised the East Bloc, including those nations that comprised the Soviet Union.

        The same Communist strategy is taking place throughout the Soviet Bloc proving (1) the collapse of the Soviet Bloc was an obvious fraud; and (2) the West’s political parties/media were co-opted by Marxists, otherwise (i) the West would have ensured it verified the collapse of the Soviet Bloc; and (ii) the media would have directed our attention to the critical importance of verification.

        “The USA promotes abortion on demand, gay rights, universal NSA surveillance, and the overthrow of foreign governments that disagree.”

        My previous comment already affirmed that the governments/institutions of the West were co-opted by Marxists long ago, otherwise the West wouldn’t be sabotaging its future in promoting, of all things, same-sex marriage, which deprives children of the (1) specific gender socialization skills for both sexes; and (2) leaving the child clueless as to how to behave towards the opposite sex when an adult.

        “We share the same culture as Russia.”

        Russians haven’t had a say in their culture since Lenin & fellow Bolsheviks overthrew the Russian Provisional government in October 1917.

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          The collapse of the Soviet Union was not a strategic ruse. In a sense, you are right, the Evil Empire did not collapse in 1991. It just moved its headquarters from Moscow to Washington.

          The Soviet Union once exported atheism and revolution abroad. Today Russia is Orthodox Christian and promotes traditional family values, while America is the godless nation threatening sanctions on countries that don’t allow gay marriage.
          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/28/whos-godless-now-russia-says-its-us/?page=all
          http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/gay-marriage-law-us-threatens-sanction-nigeria/

          Russia promotes stability and the respect of national sovereignty and international law, while America subscribes to the Trotskyst Neocon fantasy of remaking the Middle East in its own image regardless of the region’s traditions and culture or facts on the ground. Revolutions, invasions, overthrowing established governments, anything Soviet Russia once did Bolshevik America does today.
          http://www.strike-the-root.com/neocons-and-progressives-one-big-family-of-aggressors-and-central-planners-with-delusions-of-grandeu

          The Soviet Union once ruthlessly persecuted dissenters, while America sheltered them. Cardinal Mindszenty spent 15 years in the US embassy in Budapest. Today it is the USA that ruthlessly persecutes dissenters, driving them to exile, prison or holing them up in embassies (Snowden in Russia, Manning/Kiriakou in US gulags, Assange holed up at the Ecuador Embassy in London on Washington’s orders).

          The Soviet Union was famous for its gulags. Today 2.2 million Americans are in the US gulag system, more than the prisoner population of China and India combined, countries with 8.5x the US population. In Soviet Russia, trivial offenses could land you decades in the gulag. In the American Evil Empire, stealing socks worth $2.5 can get you life in jail.
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm
          http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/cruel-and-unusual-punishment-the-shame-of-three-strikes-laws-20130327

          Russia applies a moderate flat rate tax of 13%. US taxation is heavily progressive (as Karl Marx recommended) to 39.6%, over 50% when local/state taxes are factored in. Oh, and the USA has reinvented the Berlin wall, in the form of FACTA and citizenship-based taxation. Do you know that the US is one of only two countries in the world that tax you based on citizenship regardless of where you live rather than residency (the other is Eritrea)? Taxation and reporting requirements imposed by totalitarian USA on American expats is so aggressive that many are forced to dump their American passports, or move back to the states. FACTA is so onerous that banks are turning American clients away. If FACTA+citizenship-based taxation is not a kind of Berlin wall designed to keep Americans from fleeing America and keep capital in America, I don’t know what is.
          http://www.cnbc.com/id/102122343

          Can’t you see that the roles are reversed? America is now the Evil Empire promoting radical left wing values, while Russia is the conservative powers. Right-wingers once supported America, while leftists of all stripes sympathized with the Soviet Union. Now right wing parties all over Europe stand with Russia. American conservatives (most notably Patrick Buchanan) and Christian groups have noticed the change, and increasingly side with Putin.
          http://www.theamericanconservative.com/vladimir-putin-christian-crusader/
          http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/31/anti-gay-propaganda-law-putin-american-right_n_4705489.html

          Putin’s Russia is the leader of the free world now. Let’s crown Putin Tsar!

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “The collapse of the Soviet Union was not a strategic ruse.”

            I already proved it was a ruse in my comments above, which you didn’t read. Now read the comments and pass the information on to family, friends, colleagues, etc.

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            As I have tried to explain to you, the roles have now reversed, and the Evil Empire moved headquarters from Moscow to Washington 20 years ago. Now please read the above comments and pass the information to family, friends, colleagues, etc.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “the Evil Empire moved headquarters from Moscow to Washington 20 years ago.”

            There was no headquarters, all governments are Marxist as my comments above amply proved.

  • damik

    Well if EU and US do not wake up and do not stop Putin the Fascist sooner or later there will be a big war in Europe. Or we will end up like North Korea where 25% of all people are in prison camps.

    I do not uunderstand how Merkel is so blind and Obama so useless ??? These people believe that doing nothing makes them innocent … 🙁 🙁 🙁

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      The so-called “land of the free”, aka USA, boasts the world’s largest prison population. The peaceful and humane American government which loves nothing better than lecturing other countries on human rights bangs up 2.2 million Americans in jail. More than China and India combined, even though these two countries have about 8.5 times America’s population, and China is nominally a communist dictatorship.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

      But the US prison industrial complex is very profitable for private companies, who lobby for its expansion. The US, which loves invading other countries in the name of human rights and democracy, has rediscovered the joys of forced labour.
      http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/06/09/the-prison-industrial-complex/

      The US won’t protect us against North Korea when it shares more in common with North Korea than it would admit. As regards Merkel, why would she be so stupid as to adopt a confrontational stance towards Russia, when Germany and Europe’s interest lies in collaborating economically. Russia has the energy and natural resources we don’t have. It is precisely to prevent this EU/Russia collaboration that the USA is fanning the flames of war in Ukraine.

      • damik

        Perhaps you missed that the whole Russian political oposition is in prisons or dead ….

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          There are still opposition figures in Russia, who are not part of Putin’s party. One of them is Vladimir Zhirinovsky
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Lx4BFfQ3c

          Regardless of Russia’s internal politics, Europe does not want war with Russia for Washington’s convenience.

          • damik

            Putin wants the war is it is an only option for him to control Russians …

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            I’m afraid I will have to disagree with you on this. It’s NATO that spent 20 years expanding to Russia’s borders, not the other way around. It’s the US/EU that helped to topple pro-Russian government in Kiev, igniting the civil war in Ukraine. The eastern Ukrainians had voted overwhelmingly for Yanukovych. There was no way they were going to live under a Washington imposed stooge regime. It’s the US/EU and their Ukrainian sympathizers who began the use of violent/unconstitutional methods in Ukrainian politics.

            The problem is that America became mad with hubris when the Soviet Union had collapsed. The Washington elite thought it was the master of the world, which could invade or overthrow any government it didn’t like and disregard the interests of other countries (only Washington’s interests matter). Read Vladimir Putin’s speech at the Valdai International Discussion Club. He is a reasonable, thoughtful man, not a warmonger like the crazed Neocons.

            http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/25/vladimir-putin-leader-moral-world-paul-craig-roberts/

          • damik

            For obvious reasons Eastern Europeans did not want to live under Soviet Fascism and run away into EU and NATO.

            Russians would do the same, but Putin the Fascist is a dictator and his regime would fail. Like in Chechnya where Putin got only 99.5% of votes during the last elections.

            People do not want to live like slaves …

          • Baron

            Excellent point, ModernBritain, the US political elite has been deluding itself in thinking that it was they who engineered the collapse of the Soviet dictatorship. It would have fallen apart anyway, at best the pressure from the West merely accelerated the implosion of a societal order that couldn’t feed its people.

            The Marx inspired creed isn’t doable, apart from the Russians others tried to have a go as well including the Germans, Cubans. Failure everywhere. The recent past of the lands of the Mandarin speakers is perhaps the most illuminating,. When they followed the Marxist postulates some 1.5bn people grazed to survive, only 20 years after they ditched the idiocy that number has come down to less than half a billion.

          • Scradje

            Only ‘official’ opposition patyies are allowed there. Zhirinovsky is putler’s junkyard dog. Not an opposition figure at all. His job is to float some of the more outrageous ideas of Yedinaya Rossiya before they become policy.

  • Arqus Dandy

    Scandinavian pact against Russia during the German-Anglo bias established during the Cold War reduces most abortive state control devices towards their “handlers” in the convenient aspiration for any ruling from the citizen(s)-classes. I suppose Karl Marx easily buys gas in London, although the Russian political front appears as a pure global referendum as usual — even with low voter turnouts in Chicago, Rome, and bank mergers in the offspot of Dubai corporation.

    • Nomid

      Please make sense…

      Your point is?

      That if Karl Marx were alive he would buy gas in London?

  • tolpuddle1

    The article shows mainly how very weak most of Europe is.

    Political weakness in central and Eastern Europe (and in Britain), economic weakness everywhere except in parts of northern Europe.

    Until the problem of Europe’s weakness is addressed – and getting hawkish with Putin won’t even touch the problem – moaning about Russia is pointless.

  • Edward Rubanis

    I lived in Russia for a while in Moscow in a suburb called Sokol in a flat built in the 1940s by German POWs. The problem with Russia is it is a conservative patriarchal society, intolerant of dissenters, state and Orthodoxy conjoined in mutual self-interest, nostalgic for the heady days of Soviet Imperialism after WW2 and curiously still attached to the need for a “Tsar”. I have Russian friends and American friends – sound intelligent liberal minded friends in both nations – both isolated by what Ortega y Gasset called the tyranny of the majorities. The enemies of freedom are often those whose mouths condemn in others what they harbour in themselves.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “nostalgic for the heady days of Soviet Imperialism”

      That would be the 5% of Russians who are Communists that you hung around, who never left power in December 1991. The remainder, naturally find the USSR and its ideology of Marxist “liberation” abhorrent.

  • bobmattfran

    Europe is whole and free. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Europe is being destroyed financially by following orders from Washington to put sanctions on Russia which damages the European economy whilst the corrupt US government sits back and watches the largest trading block in the world and a balanced trade competion to the USA fll apart. All part of the warmongering USA who can’t stand any country or state or group daring to threaten the almighty (increasingly worthless) $US. Why do you think the USA creates the conditions for wars and uses any excuse to invade, regime change and destroy other ocuntries? becuase its the only thing that the USA knows. So much for mthe nation who scream freedom and democracy! Their idea of demoracy being do as we say, their democracy is delivered at the point of a gun, a missile, bomb or remote drone. What an absolute load of nonsense, The US has caused more suffering, destroted more countries, wrecked more infrastructure and killed more civilians than any other nation combined in the last 60 years. Time that the rest of the world put them back in their box and kept them at arms length. The only time the world will be free is when the US implodes with the debt that itm owes to the rest of the world.

  • bren

    He is running rings around Merkel and her gang of wimps. The EU is a joke and hated by al of us now. Putin knows that the sanctions that dopey Carey and the Eu comes up with hurt us more that them. ook at the shit state of Europe. We are dying while these clowns are concerned about a rat hole like Ukraine.

  • WB

    Russia is on fast meltdown and it will take time for the Russian people to understand what is happening then turn against Putin big style, his Crimea/Ukraine moves are the normal for a leader going down the pan, Galtieri is a good example when they invaded the Falklands he was great but when the chickens come home to roost he was in deep cack.

    • saffrin

      Putin hasn’t invaded the Ukraine or the Crimea, the USA and the EU have by way of a rebellious few, including the Puppet President they have installed.
      The UK media, yet again, have picked the wrong side in this EU/USA inspired conflict in the same way they did with the Arab Spring, Afghanistan and Iraq.

      The only reason there is a civil war raging in the Ukraine is because the USA needed to create fear enough to get Brussels to agree to fund the US military in Europe.

  • helmckie mcdonald

    The E.U ARE FORCING THE U.K TO SURRENDER ALL ITS COUNTRIES LAWS & POWER to there membership state & we are not even a full member,Germany have without war finally getting control of most of the European countries & Russia are not having any of it & can see the long term problem facing them .so If the U.S.A keep aiding with FRANCE & GERMANY above there close friendship with the U.K putting its two pence worth in what is good for this nation then what harm would it do if you remove the ties from all parties & form a new bond with RUSSIA keeping our own countries identity + assets in place as well as our own laws & power this may also stop the agreement of weapons & equipment from RUSSIA TO ARGENTINA giving the Falkland islanders more peace of mind as well also GIBRALTAR AGAINST SPAINS INTEREST

  • Fenman

    Short term greed has led the Germans to cheat on their NATO commitment for 50yrs, hence feeding their economic growth, subsidised by those countries meeting their commitment, notably Britain. Of course, the awful Cameron is following suit while hypocritically criticising others, but that is his hallmark and the reason thousands of conservatives will never vote for the Tories while he is leading them.

  • Des

    Some good history and good points in this article. It reveals the West was asleep, now wake up guys and fight back psychologically also

  • Sally

    What these ‘journos’ who write this puff piece fail to realise is that its THEIR families and friends that will suffer when the s**t hits the fan. Its not just going to be all of us but you paid ‘writers’ too and your loved ones. So keep pushing and trying to make out Russia and Putin are the new evil when you really need to start telling the truth and look inward at your own regimes.

  • xoanon

    Shouldn’t that be ‘How NATO is waging war on Russia and losing’ … And the answer is that people just don’t believe what the mainstream media are saying.

  • Marek Skibiński

    List of 200 journalists killed in Russia since 1992, of which 165 was murdered. About 118 under Putin reign (since 2000).

    Elena Tkacheva, Marina Iskanderova, Sergei Dubov,
    AndreiAidzerdzis, Yury Soltys, Tatyana Zhuravlyova z mężem, Yelena Roshchina,
    DmitryKholodov, Hussein Guzuyev, Gelani Charigov, Cynthia Elbaum, Bilal
    Akhmadov,Vladimir Zhitarenko, Pyotr Novikov, Sultan Nuriyev, Jochen Piest,
    ValentinYanus, Vyacheslav Rudnev, Maxim Shabalin, Vladislav Listyev, Igor
    Kaverin, OlegOchkasov, Alexei Khropov, Ruslan Tsebiyev, Malkan Suleimanova,
    Farkhad Kerimov,Sergei Ivanov, Alexander Konovalenko, Natalya Alyakina-Mroszek,Andrew ShumakJr, Sergei Nazarov, Vadim Obekhov, Andrei Ulanov, Sergei Ananyev, VictorLitvinov, Yaroslav Zvaltsev, Shamkhan Kagirov, Vadim Alferyev, OlegSlabynko,Yury Litvinov, Felix Solovyov, Victor Pimenov, Nadezhda Chaikova,AnatolyYagodin, Nina Yefimova, Victor Mikhailov, Nikita Chigarkov, Ivan Gogun, RamzanKhadjiev, En Chan Kim, Anatoly Tyutinkov, Lev Bogomolov, Sergei
    Semisotov,Marina Gorelova, Kirill Polenov, Anatoly Belousov, Alexei Yeldashov,
    NikolaiLapin, Yury Baldin, Vyacheslav Zvonarev, Vadim Biryukov, Vladimir
    Aliev,Nikolai Mozolin, Alexander Korkin, Valery Krivosheyev, Lydia
    Lazarenko,Vladimir Zbaratsky, Ivan Fedyunin, Lira Lobach, Igor Myasnikov,
    Larisa Yudina,Vladimir Ustinov, Sergei Semenduyev, Anatoly Levin-Utkin, Mirbaba
    Seidov, VictorShamro, Farid Sidaui, Sergei Chechugo, Gennady Bodrov, Valentina
    Mirolyubovaand Nikolai Mirolyubov, Andrei Polyakov, Alexei Kulanov, Vadim
    Rudenko, LubovLoboda, Christopher Reese, Supyan Ependiyev, Cameramen Shamil Gigayev andRamzan Mezhidov, Vladimir Yatsina, Ludmila Zamana, Artyom Borovik, LuisaArzhieva, Oleg Polukeyev, Boris Gashev, Alexander Yefremov, Igor
    Domnikov,Sergei Novikov, Iskander Khatloni, Sergei Ivanov, Georgy Garibyan,
    Oleg Goryansky, Raif Ablyashev, SergeiLoginov, Pavel Asaulchenko, Adam
    Tepsurkayev, Nikolai Karmanov, ValeryKondakov, Eduard Burmagin, Leonid
    Grigoryev, Andrei Pivovarov, Oleg Dolgantsev,Vladimir Kirsanov, Victor Popkov,
    Andrei Sheiko, Eduard Markevich, ElinaVoronova, Oleg Vedenin, Alexander
    Babaikin, Boris Mityurev, Svetlana Makarenko,Konstantin Pogodin, Natalya Skryl,
    Valery Batuyev, Sergei Kalinovsky, VitalySakhn-Vald, Leonid Shevchenko, Valery
    Ivanov, Alexander Plotnikov, PavelMorozov, Oleg Sedinko, Nikolai Razmolodin,
    Maria Lisichkina, Sergei Zhabin, NikolaiVasiliev, Paavo Voutilainen, Leonid
    Kuznetsov, Igor Salikov, Roderick (Roddy)Scott, Yelena Popova, Leonid
    Plotnikov, Tamara Voinova, Dmitry Shalayev,Vladimir Sukhomlin, Yury Tishkov,
    Sergei Verbitsky, Dmitry Shvets, YuryShchekochikhin, Ali Astamirov, Alikhan
    Guliyev, Martin Kraus, Alexei Sidorov,Alexei Bakhtin, Yury Bugrov, Pyotr
    Babenko, Yefim Sukhanov, Farit Urazbayev,Shangysh Mongush, Adlan Khasanov, Paul Klebnikov, Maxim Maximov, Zoya Ivanova,Pail Peloyan, Vladimir Naumov, Svetlana Shishkina, Oleg Belozyorov, VladimirPritchin, Jan Travinsky, Pavel Makeyev, Magomed Varisov, Alexander Pitersky,Vladimir Pashutin, Tamirlan Kazikhanov, Kira Lezhneva, Vagif Kochetkov, IlyaZimin, Oksana Teslo, Oleg Barabyshkin,Vyacheslav Akatov, Anton Kretenchuk, YevgenyGerasimenko, Anatoly Kozulin, Alexander Petrov, Elina Ersenoyeva, VyacheslavPlotnikov, Anna Politkovskaya, Anatoly Voronin, Vadim Kuznetsov, YuryShebalkin, Konstantin Borovko, Ivan Safronov, Leonid Etkind, Vyacheslav Ifanov,Marina Pisareva, Yelena Shestakova, Gadji Abashilov, Ilyas Shurpayev, MagomedYevloyev, Abdulla Alishayev, Shafig Amrakhov, Vladislav Zakharchuk, AnastasiaBaburova, Sergei Protazanov, Vyacheslav Yaroshenko, Natalia Estemirova, MalikAkhmedilov, Maksharip Aushev, Olga Kotovskaya, Konstantin Popov, Ivan Stepanov,Maxim Zuyev, Shamil Aliyev, Said Magomedov, Dmitry Okkert, Bella Ksalova,Malika Betiyeva, Magomed Sultanmagomedov…

  • Albert Leslie James HALL

    All a storm in a teacup and the author of this entry has obviously not studied much Russian Demographics and, further, has done what most of the third estate are wont to do ie. thinking that Russia is the USSR!! It most definitely IS NOT. The largest, by area country in the world with an economy that is comparable with that of Italy or Califoarnia on a good day is not likely to rule the world any time soon!!. It is not the economic giant or even a military giant. It has an admittedly great number, probably 3.5 million, of services persons which sounds a great deal until you take into considersation that the Russian Defence budget is nothing like the size of the budgets of France and the UK combined even with the latest increases. And on that budget it has THAT number of personell to feed, train, accommodate let alone provide with even weaponry. No bleddy wonder that the commonest item on the Armies menu is garlic soup and black bread!! HOw does that economy propose to, If it did occupy the UKraine, provide for a policing garrison of upwards of a million men in perpetuity. It has enough trouble with the 50,000 it has in the Ukraine!! In the USSR most of the Internal policing was done with troops from LOYAL Allies and when those LOYAL Allies realised that the Russian centre could not hold the USSR collapsed and they all either became independent or joined NATO en masse. Russia has NOT ONE discernible Ally that would now stand in the firing line with it and by recent actions has alienated any that might be considering it!!. Both Byelorus and Khazakhistan have expressed their intent. So they have ”trade agreements” So what ?? All that means is that Russia corrupts even more the already corrupt systems and nicks what it want’s anyway. Did you know that an independent audit of tne UKraines oil and gas needs for this winter came up with the fact that it was OVER 30% LESS thaat publkicly estimated. and that for years that amount had been side tracked by corrupt Russian and Ukrainian officialdom. With that kind of discount it was CHEAPER to import from the world trade by sea than to buy from Russia.

  • Albert Leslie James HALL

    The ”problems” in Russia started with President Andropov. He ahd been at the head of the KGB and like the head of many intelligence agencies he knew the truth about the real state of the USSR and so did his senior officers. Gorbechev was Andropovs successor of choice when he knew himself to be dying. Andropov knew Gorbechev to be relatively untouched by corrupution and was a Communist by conviction (and he remains so to the present day!!) rather than just paying lip service. Anropov probably though that Gorbechev had a chance to control the corruption that had become institutionalised but that turned out to be wishful thinking because, apart from some stalwarts from across the Inteeligence services and the Forces he had no real support. Those stalwarts saved him from forcible removal from office and possible assassination but could not prevent his demise from the political scene. The very real destruction of RUSSIA was only prevented by the extaordinary courage of Boris Yeltsin who managed to convince the rank and file of the Army that they should not fire on their fellow citizens. Not the first time, incidently, that the Russian Forces have mutinied, Considerable numbers, the majority, did in Afghanistan, Local Russian Garrisons also did in Hungary and in Czechoslovakia and it was feared that they would in Poland, East Germany and other Eastern European members of the Warsaw Pact. The October revolution resulted from a Naval Mutiny after all!

  • Des

    Very good article. I like it. Now we get more aware of what a madman is trying to do. Seems he does not like life and wants humanity to be extinct but the Allies have a plan.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      It’s Washington that’s pushing for war in Europe in order to destroy Russia/EU trade ties. Look at how Victoria Nuland (of F**** the EU fame) fumed over Merkel’s peace efforts.
      http://redpilltimes.com/der-spiegel-victoria-nuland-curses-at-germany-over-merkels-effort-to-stop-violence-in-ukraine/

      • Baron

        Good point, ModernBritin, the age of US hegemony is coming to an end, and disintegrating empires are the most dangerous, prefer chaos, economic meltdown and anarchy rather than stable, successful, and peaceful societies.

    • Baron

      Not only he doslikes life, wants all humanity to perish, he also devours babies for breakfast, Des, roasted.

  • Tez

    What a load of rubbish, who is paying this idiot, NSA / MI6?

  • Tez

    A article for the western apologists and the brainwashed masses

  • Jerry

    EE has profited so much from an english democracy. They’re so rich they were never as rich before. Their women come to England become pregnant and an english SS together with crooks family court judges plus pig foster agencies and peadophile MPs steal their new born babies for profit. Stick your democracy in the ass of Cameron cuz England is shit hole and I say it after 20 years of living there

  • blahblahblah77

    I don’t think Russia is winning anything.

    Why else would they be flying their jets around in a provocative manner?
    Surely if they were winning anything they would have something a lot more intricate up their sleeves than trying to make such a bold statement without actually saying it.

    Russia had their chance for world dominance in the last century, they failed, and America has too much influence in the world now.

    America is not perfect, but far better than the alternatives.

    Russia has just alienated itself. the worry is they will have nothing to lose and then start a war anyway, but while russia is huge, it only has a few high level targets.

  • Des

    Winning: what is he winning, not much longer as the Allies are more careful and have lots of integrity compared to Putin.

  • Garry W

    lol he has got away with it so far because the places he has taken control, ie Crimea and Eastern Ukraine on the whole want to be part of Russia, going anywhere else wont work because if the population don’t want them there then they will come unstuck. ie Afghanistan where the might of the Russian army was humbled by the Taliban.

  • Richard Garcia

    of course the rules are for all THE CAPITALISM and allies USA UK Germany like to other countries to do what they want, so why now the wondering that Russia is learning we all know who the started imperialism and Colonialism and fascism tactics

  • Michael Bear

    Forgotten UKIP!

  • http://elfnhappiness.blogspot.com/ eeore

    “The EU doesn’t use anonymous trolls to manipulate the media,”

    Really?

  • Chingford Man

    I’m no Putin lackey, but I suspect Mrs Sikorski might be a teeny weeny bit inclined to the EU Fourth Reich.

    The EU’s inept power politics in the ethnically divided Ukraine is a good argument for extending the International Criminal Court’s jurisdiction to organisations.

  • Terry Field

    I listened to the sexy little tart form Italy who schmoozes for the EU’s foreign policy saying that we have not discovered what Mr Putin wants, and we need to do that since military action is not on the table.
    She does not know what he wants? why not lead an expeditionary force of Euro-fighters – these days mostly female, boob-tubed and fierce beyond words as they threaten the enemy with ‘diversity living’ pamphlets.
    The spetsnaz will melt away in terror and the spook will open up to the lady.
    Then all will be sweetness and light, we will give him the Baltics, East Germany and most of that uppity pesky Poland, then all will be hunky dory.
    Don’t you love Brussels.
    UKIP doesn’t stand a chance.

  • sidor

    The relentless efforts of the Western media to create a scarecrow of Putin are amusing, but the purpose of that spectacle is quite puzzling. The fact is that the West will never be able to find a more convenient person for the job he is doing, working as an instrument of the external control over the territory. He is mediocre, disciplined, obedient, humble, lacks of any personal ambition. More importantly, he doesn’t have any trace of ideology or political persuasion. Or at least he managed to hide it so effectively that no-one can see any trace of it. If one summarise all his ideological or political statements made in public, the result will bi a perfect zero: all his statements and actions are either meaningless or contradictory. His patriotic statements, which he pronounces with a small shy smile of an unexperienced liar are particularly funny.

    It is a real problem to understand what the West actually wants when organising this scarecrow Putin pantomime. The West cannot seriously expect to have a more obedient and humble ruler of Russia. Any change in the current Russian ruling elite, established in 1991, will most probably bring to power a real patriotic leader who will make it his mission to restore the Russian sovereignty and its historical borders.

  • Leif Leifnephewson

    Thank you for this. While the paid Russian trolls have received some attention in the media, the Russian bribery and lobbying campaign in Europe has been largely overlooked — even though that’s where the real meat is.
    Russia’s influence in EU is now hard to overestimate. It ranges from the comical — like the National Front suddenly starting to care about the environment in the form of fracking — to the sinister — like German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder pushing through a sequence of Russia-friendly proposals and then quitting his job to instead take a very lucrative position in Russia’s Gazprom.

    The EU has been thoroughly infiltrated by Russia.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      The EU has been thoroughly infiltrated by America, which loves the EU, because it means Washington only needs to make one phone call to tell its European vassals what to do instead of 25.

      • Nomid

        What?

        Hard to live in a world where the vast majority of countries agreees that Russia is acting like a looney while Putin is in control?

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          Are you kidding me? The west loved Russia when Boris Yeltsin was in charge. In the 90’s, the Russian economy collapsed about 40%, millions of Russians were plunged in poverty, lost their life savings in bank collapses, life expectancy fell by 5 years, the suicide rate soared 70%, and a gang of oligarchs looted around half the nation’s wealth.

          As far as Washington and its presstitute media was concerned, Yeltsin was leading Russia down the glorious path of free markets and democracy. They loved Yeltsin and Russia, of course, since Russia was weak and could be pushed around at will (e.g. attacking long time Russia ally Serbia without consequences). But a man named Putin came around, who started his country on the path of recovery. He jailed/exiled at least some of the oligarchs. He made it clear that Russia could no longer be pushed around. That’s why Washington and its European puppets loathe him.

          Washington spent the last 20 years expanding NATO to Russia’s borders, violating its undertaking to Gorbachev that it would not do so. Washington helped the western Ukrainians install an anti-Russian government in Kiev. Putin is defending his country. How do you think we would react if the Russians helped the Scotland break away from the UK, encouraged the rise of a militantly anti-English regime in Edinburgh, and invited Scotland into a military alliance with Russia. Do not do onto others what you would not like done to you! Washington has spent 20 years violating this golden rule.

  • Zed largo

    She should have sent this to Daniel Craig instead of the Spectator. Ian Fleming, take a roll in your grave: you missed the Putin Plot, which is sure to take the Oscar for best fantasy film.

  • jjvaster

    Putin,is on the fast track to his death normally when a time for an evil man to die comes he ride as if there is no tomorrow,that is how it was on so many dictators like putin,he have tasted power and oath not to step aside until his death, him challenging the west means that he is about to go,its a question of time Russia will be a trash society.

  • biboletti

    author;s husband ( foreign affairs minister in poland – r sikorski) passed on information that polish prime minister (d tusk) was offered parts of ukrain by vladia putin, ( http://www.rp.pl/artykul/1150562.html ) – translated https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rp.pl%2Fartykul%2F1150562.html&edit-text= still awaiting comment from mrs applebaurm

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      I don’t think Mrs. Sikorsky will reply to you unless you agree 100% with her Washington Neocon views. She is notoriously intolerant of any dissent.
      http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/12/02/the-war-against-the-trolls/

      I sent numerous tweets (to NATO commanders and top US warmongers like John MacCain) protesting Washington warmongering but Appelbaum was one of two to block my tweets….the other one was an old-time Applebaum friend, who works for the Economist.

      • Nomid

        “numerous tweets”?

        Obviously everyone took you seriously and answered?

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          Obviously not everyone answered, as is their right. But I’ve had healthy exchanges with people of opposite views, they listened to my views, as I listened to theirs. I appreciate they took the time to try to change my views, although we’ve agreed to disagree.

          But Russia-hater Applebaum won’t hear opposing views, believes in Soviet style suppression of dissent, while telling that Russia = Soviet Union and thus evil!

  • Mirek

    While the West was sleeping Sauron, fallen but not destroyed, hidden in the East was preparing for war. Now he sent his dogs into Ukraine.

  • Novorrossiya

    50 years believing that Russia had to be fought because they were communists….
    Now they’re capitalists (and some..10% flat tax rate¡¡)…and we must fight them also ¡¡¡
    It occurs to me that the problem of the USA with Russia is not his political system…is that is too big and well armed to be bullied.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Exactly right. I supported America 100% in the cold war, as I was/am militantly anti-communist. But this was never about being anti-Russian, quite the contrary, anti the system oppressing ordinary Russians. I never thought Americans would be so mad as to be not just anti-Communist, but anti-Russian, and seek to re-start (successfully) the cold war by expanding NATO to Russian borders once the Soviet Union had collapsed.

      With its flat rate 13% tax Russia is more capitalist than USA (which has a highly progressive taxation system as Karl Marx recommended). The truth is that there has been a role reversal. The Evil Empire didn’t collapse in 1991, it moved its headquarters from Moscow to Washington. USA is the new Soviet Union, fostering revolution against governments it doesn’t like, persecuting dissenters, practicing universal surveillance, imposing sanctions on countries that disallow gay marriage etc. Right wingers once supported America, now they support Russia.

      http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/07/23/role-reversal-how-the-us-became-the-ussr-paul-craig-roberts/

      http://buchanan.org/blog/putin-one-us-6071

      • Nomid

        Oh… you are one of the “American patriots” who all of a sudden decided that your curent government is the enemy, and that the current Russian leadership is a saviour of this “problem”?

        With a name like “MordernBritain”?

        Oh, please do continue…. You are not displaying the idiocy of Putin’s handbook here in any way… Nope….

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          I’m not an American.

    • Nomid

      All Russia has is nukes… that is it…
      And the problem with nukes is that you can’t use them, the moment you do everything is lost…

      And when you lave out nukes, Russian military hardware is not that great…
      Sure you got s-300 and 400’s and other AA, But in any military conflict they wll be taken out as the first thing… Hint, when a former advisery is investing all their best in defensive measures? It tells you a whole lot…

      *sigh* …..

  • stephengreen

    Anne Applebaum and Ben Judah tell us what to think about Putin, eh? Great..

    • dailytelaviv

      yes Jews always tell us what to think. its their divine right apparently

  • BohdanTheFactsMan

    This article precisely is on the mark.

    Putin’s aim is to ‘divide and conquer’ the EU and to destroy any form of geopolitical Union in the area of the EU territory.

    The aim is to make countries of the EU, and all of Europe, energy dependent vassals of the Dictatorship that Putin is creating.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      I’m afraid the country playing the divide and conquer game is good old USA, not Russia.

      Russia has natural resources and energy, Europe doesn’t. But Europe has technology that Russia needs to modernize its economy. Working together makes sense. Washington’s objective is to destroy all EU/Russia trade ties. Washington is fuelling the Ukraine war for this purpose, and has ordered its European vassals to impose sanctions on Russia. The Washington vassals suffer economic hardship, while Washington bears little economic costs as it has fewer trade relationships with Russia. But Washington’s European vassals are slowly waking up to this game, and increasingly object to Washington’s sabre rattling.
      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-16/anti-putin-alliance-fraying-germany-slovenia-greece-czech-republic-urge-end-russian-

      Notice how Washington arch-hawk Victoria Nuland threw a fit of rage when Merkel tried to negotiate peace. Washington wants war, and wants it now.

      http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_ukraine/2015/02/19/3627

      Incidentally the author of this piece is a notorious Russia-hater, married to the former Polish FM, who has written dozens of carbon copy article pushing the Washington hawk line, telling us how evil and corrupt Russia is.

      • Nomid

        One thing you are missing here…

        No matter how hard you want to push it, the EU has more in common with the US than Russia…

        And as long as Putin is acting like he is, he is only going to reaffirm that relationship…

        • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

          The EU is made up of US vassal states that follow Washington’s orders even when it’s against their own interests. Washington ordered France not to deliver the ships Russia had bought and paid for, and France obeyed, damaging its defense industry. Vice President Joe Biden even bragged about Washington forcing its puppets to impose economic sanctions on Russia, at economic cost to themselves, but none on Washington of course.
          http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39879.htm

          Putin is acting very moderately. Imagine the roles were reversed, and Russia had helped Canadian demonstrators peacefully overthrow their government. The new Canadian government immediately adopts an anti-US/pro-Russia stance. America would be livid with rage, and threatening the usual war, sanctions, bombings, invasions in the name of democracy, all the things to which we have become accustomed in the last 15 years.

          America has restarted the cold war by recklessly expanding NATO to Russia’s borders over the last 20 years. The plan was to take Ukraine into the US/EU orbit, bring Ukraine into NATO and eject Russia from its Sevastopol base. Russia had to act to secure its interests in its near abroad.

          • Nomid

            Except…

            The EU acting in unison with the US doesn’t mean “vassal states” It means they see clearly what Putin is doing…

            It wasn’t only Washington that pressured France, it was other EU states as well, and Paris attitude was that they would deliver unless new sanctions happened, and the sanctions came

            The Maidan was driven by the people, there were several hundred thousand people involved, and they do not work for the CIA

            NATO was never a question, the population was against it, NATO wasn’t interested, and these things would require a vote…

            Putin has stolen Crimea, invaded Ukraine and are playing a high stakes game he will loose…

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            Putin has stolen Crimea, you say?

            Read your history. Crimea was Russian from 1783 onwards, almost as long as the US of A has been independent. Russia lost hundreds of thousands defending Crimea from the Germans in WWII. But in 1954, a drunken Khrushchev (himself a Ukrainian) decided to transfer Crimea to Ukraine. It didn’t matter anyway then, it was all part of the Soviet Union. There was no way Crimeans, who are majority Russian, were going to agree to live under a rabidly anti-Russian US/EU imposed regime in Kiev.

            Of course new sanctions “came”. USA imposed them on its EU vassals, and VP Joe Biden even bragged about it. The vassals pay the economic price, and Washington achieves its objective of sabotaging Russia-EU trade ties.
            http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39879.htm

            Strange coincidence that the Maidan mob waving Brussels Empire flags spontaneously rose up against Yanukovych as soon as he decided a closer alliance with Russia not the EU was in his country’s best interest. The Maidan mob may have meant the best for their country, but by their extra-constitutional overthrow of an elected president, they set their country on the path to civil war.

            Ukrainian retirees have had their pensions halved since the Maidan mob peacefully overthrew the government. Association with the EU is turning out as well for Ukraine as it has for Greece!

          • Nomid

            Oh… That lovely historical argument…
            I live in Denmark, and according to that, Sweden, Norway Iceland and etc should be under Danish rule and we have a historical “right” to it.. Let’s just forget about those fancy new international rules and laws
            And the Ukrainians weren’t very anti Russian untill Russia started invading

            Why on earth would washington be interested in sabotaging EU-Russia trades? And what exactly would Washington do if the EU didn’t agree with them?

            The sentiment for joining EU was well known in Ukraine, Yanukovych ran on a pro-EU stance…

            And Ukrainians have had their pensions halved? You are talking about the approximate value of their pensions right? And that would be because their economy is crashing since Russia invaded and decided to take pieces of their land

          • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

            Washington wants to isolate, contain, neutralize, weaken Russia (and any other potential challenger) by any means. Trade between Russia and its vassals is unacceptable to Washington.

            Wolfowitz Doctrine:
            Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.

          • Nomid

            Sure they do…

            You do know when the Wolfowitz doctrine was made right?
            What the reactions were?

        • Cyril Sneer

          “No matter how hard you want to push it, the EU has more in common with the US than Russia…”

          Yes, both are fascist entities that do not believe in real freedom and democracy.

          • Nomid

            lol… Seriously?

    • Cyril Sneer

      You’re wrong. The USA is driving a wedge between the EU and Russia.

  • Nathan Jessup

    It has been over eight years since the last major hurricane struck the United States.

    • Nomid

      And just about one year since Russia annexed Crimea and invaded the Donbass…

      • dailytelaviv

        Ukraine annexed Crimea in 1954. Crimea is a legitimate part of Russia

  • Шуматова Альбина

    Anne Applebaum, how can you forget about Yugoslavia? Russia is not divided Europe, it has made the United States

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Yes how could we forget the US/NATO “humanitarian” bombing of Serbia, which was pushed by “humanitarian intervention” expert Madeleine Allbright. Just listen to Madeleine being humanitarian about Iraqi children.
      http://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

      And this is Madeleine saying a big THANK YOU to the Serbs who saved her life in WWII.
      http://youtu.be/1FaPuBUY558

  • dailytelaviv

    the author is a prominent Neo Con Zionist a la Melanie Phillips, She is also married to a Polish Neo Con Sikorski a member of the elitist Bullingdon Club. I am sick of this non stop Zionist propaganda demonising Muslims, supporting immigration , Pro EU, Pro NATO, Pro Zionist Poroshenk drivel

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Indeed, but I think there is no comparison between Melanie Philips and Applebaum. Melanie has written some columns in the Telegraph that I enjoyed. Applebaum is a full time professional Russia hater, intolerant of dissent to boot.

  • dailytelaviv

    Anne Applebaum shills for Israel, it seems the entire British media follows a pro Isael agenda

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      I am sure Mrs Sikorsky occasionally shills for Israel, most of her Neocon gang does as they deliberately conflate Israeli interests with American interests. But Applebaum’s ire seems primarily directed at Putin’s Russia. She is one of the world’s leading Russia hater, though we could run a contest with the likes of Gary Kasparov and Bret Stephens (both write regular anti-Russian columns in the Wall Street Journal) to see who’s the top professional in this field. The other Neocons are mostly concerned with invading/bombing an Arab country once in a while (or even better, Iran), with Russia as an afterthought, by contrast Mrs. Sikorsky is almost entirely focused on containing/sanctioning/encircling/getting tough on Russia.

  • dailytelaviv

    Ukraine and Russia can fight it out. This is not our business, by the way Israel attacked Gaza at the IDENTICAL TIME that the flight was supposedly shot down
    what CONVENIENT TIMING

  • dailytelaviv

    i know for fact that the EU does use trolls , both anonymous and sponsored and they do finance agitators. The unrest in Ukraine and Hong Kong was financed by dirty money and involved CIA agencies like Facebook and Google to spread dissent

  • Karl

    As a Gay White Middle aged Jew, I love this forum. Lets send those filthy shvartzers to war.

  • Rowan Vermeulen

    It’s the west’s continuous expansion of NATO, military interventions, missile shields and other aggressive acts that are the cause of the current cronfrontation with Russia. If you have another opinion, that’s fine. In fact, your opinion needs to be heard. But what you are doing is pure fearmongering. You are directly helping to provoke conflict. Kill yourself.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Well said.

  • VlezAmikumDoPr

    Author of this article is a complete dumy, sort of brain dead person and knows nothing abuut European history, western influence and desire to control whole world. I could write a lot about what exactly happened since 1989 in Czech for example, how it’s infrastructure and manufacturing was destroyed, how Germans and other western coutries roll over CZ, how they own basicaly everyghing (with puppets in government and few oligarchs) and so on……
    The person who wrote this article is complete moron.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      The author is not dumb. She’s a professional Russia hater, a fully paid up member of the Washington Neocon super-hawkish gang who has written dozens of carbon copy articles in the Washington Post and Slate telling us how evil and corrupt Russia is, how Putin must be confronted etc. She’s extremely intolerant of dissent, and would like to have online commentators like you and me banned.
      http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/12/02/the-war-against-the-trolls/

      Oh, by the way Appelbaum is the wife of the former Polish FM Radoslaw Sikorsky. Perhaps this explains her anti-Russian views in part? A disclaimer should certainly be included in all her articles.

  • andrea

    well anne apfelbaum is right with her assumptions about east german sympathizers for russia and yes, some voices from prague have been strangely anti-german recently, the kremlin run website “russia today” supported the anti government pegida movement in dresden where some lunatic dresdeners were openly calling in the streets for putin to come and be their leader. and even here in london the kremlin’s propaganda machine seems desparately active: i was bewildered to see huge ads for “russia today” along the walls in bethnal green last year inviting londoners to find the “real truth” about britain and the world by checking things out on “russia today”.

    but to be honest. it was the eu who started the trouble in the first place – by trying to invite ukraine to become a eu member-state. that was one provocation too much and should never have been done, as the eu themselves have already admitted partly. putin freaked out and won’t stop now. – the germans should have known better. goethe says in their famous national poem “the sorcerer’s apprentice”: – Sir, my need is sore. Spirits that I’ve cited my commands ignore.

    • Nomid

      The EU didn’t invade anybody… Russia did…

  • Regula

    This author likes to invent stories about these bad, dangerous Russians – the shadow and scepter of the Soviet Union reviving. Ludicrous. Not one media ever thought about what the expansion of NATO to encircle Russia on behalf of the US who clearly wants to destroy Putin and Russia to get control over Russian resources, feels like to Russia: not one media thought that Russia might test NATO to assess its threat level,not to invade the EU, the Baltics or Ukraine. The new military assessment lists NATO as Russia’s largest threat. Nor did Russia invade Ukraine. But whenever Poroshenko loses a battle in the war on the Donbas rebels, he then howls the Russians are invading. Well yes, just as Putin stated it, it is a way to divert attention from the humiliation of being defeated by miners and workers from Donbas.

    What the US and therefore its vassal UK are upset about is that Putin is an excellent president. And no, he isn’t a tyrant. He makes the decisions based on evaluation of all facets of the problem with others, discussion in the Duma, the way any good president who in fact takes responsibility for the decision his government makes, would. Where is Blair taking responsibility for the disaster of the Iraq invasion based on knowingly false info? To this day he refuses to admit that it was a mistake.

    All of which makes this author a western propaganda troll and an incompetent political analyst. That Putin talks to various nations to get them to disagree with sanctions? Yes of course. What does the author think, that the other nations don’t lobby with other nations to act in their favor? The US doesn’t even lobby, it twists arms to force other nations into its ways. And even the BBC thought it acceptable to instigate dissent and encourage independence in Siberia. That is clearly intervention in another state’s internal affairs and a breach of international law. And what about Britain’s intervention in Libya to kill Gaddafi? What a responsibility to protect that leaves a failed state behind? No thought about the people who have to live there in war and poverty and constant fear of being killed by acts of terrorism.

    But who really are the villains? Surely, not Russia, not Putin.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Putin is a true Russian patriot who has allowed his country to recover from the disastrous Yeltsin years, when living standards collapsed and a gang of corrupt oligarchs looted half the country’s wealth. Western governments and their media lackeys loved Russia, of course. It was weak, and could be pushed around. Now Russia has a strong leader, the West hates him of course.
      The Western media is worse than Pravda. At least Russians knew that Pravda was propaganda (an old Soviet saying was in Pravda there is no truth, in Isvezstia there is no news) while citizens of the allegedly democratic left live under the delusion they have a free press. Here is a small sampler of the amazing orchestrated media circus against Russia:

      Anne Applebaum: “For Russia, the point of the war is not to achieve a victory. The point is to prevent the emergence ofanything resembling a prosperous, European Ukraine because such a state would
      pose an ideological threat to Putinism.”
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-long-view-with-russia/2015/02/08/cdd7a6a4-aee8-11e4-abe8-e1ef60ca26de_story.html

      Richard Cohen: “A Putin affiliate evokes Hitler. The West should be worried.”
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-a-putin-affiliate-evokes-hitler-the-west-should-be-worried/2014/04/21/ddbd3794-c980-11e3-95f7-7ecdde72d2ea_story.html

      Harriet Alexander: “Hey Russia, Ukraine would like its military-trained killer dolphins back”
      http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/10/hey-russia-ukraine-would-like-its-military-trained-killer-dolphins-back/

      Anne Applebaum: “Russia employs a new kind of warfare with an old pedigree”
      http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/17/anne-applebaum-russia-employs-a-new-kind-of-warfare-with-an-old-pedigree/

      Anne Applebaum: “Nigel Farage, the leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party — an anti-European and anti-immigrant
      party that is gaining momentum in Britain — declared last week that the
      European Union “has blood on its hands” for negotiating a free-trade agreement in Ukraine…..Russia’s ideology may be mishmash: The old Soviet critique of hypocritical “bourgeois democracy,” plus some anti-Europeanism, some anti-globalism and a homophobic twist for contemporary appeal”
      http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/29/anne-applebaum-russian-ideology-is-a-mishmash-with-legs/

      Anne Applebaum: “Openly or subconsciously,Western leaders have since 1991 acted on the assumption that Russia is a flawed Western country….These arguments are self-serving: Russian politics has never been “all about us.”… Putin invaded Crimea because Putin needs a war. In a time of slower growth, and with a more restive middle class, he may need some more wars too. This time, it’s really not about us. ”
      http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/21/anne-applebaum-putin-invaded-crimea-because-putin-needs-a-war/

      • Regula

        Thanks for the links. I read one such article yesterday about the cries that the Russians are coming – i.e. the obstination in the UK that Russia is going to invade the Baltics – which Cameron is using to rally support behind enlarging NATO with soldiers and weapons. Absolutely ridiculous. It also made clear that a whole lot of academics and journalists also believe in these stories.

        Personally I see these stories as propaganda, in hope of scaring the public and detracting it from the more serious issues inside their own countries. Applebaum in particular likes warmongering.

        In reality it is pretty clear that Putin isn’t going to start a war and neither is the US as such a war would likely be nuclear and decimate the US homeland as well. Not what the US can accept.

        But it is true that the US is trying hard to force the EU to fight a war on Russia and no ruse is too dirty to get that going. The real problem, where the US policy failed is that the Ukraine army is the less good proxy than the rebels.

  • pp22pp

    Most Western cities are no longer Western. Putin didn’t do that to us.

  • global city

    it also sees things as one sided aggression rather than a lash of two anti democratic empires.

  • manchegauche

    This is, perhaps, THE bog standard anti-Russian UR-propaganda piece. The usual lazy talk of ‘annexation of Crimea’ (in fact the Russian Parliament speaker had a point – there was a referendum in Crimea not in East Germany but that – like this entire piece – is by the by), the fact that the Russians have money (the capitalist bastards!) and there a trolls funded (no evidence cited naturally) by the Kremlin. The sorry article relies wholly on sleight of hand, rumour and snide asides rather than decent analysis.

    You might have mentioned the pushing eastwards of NATO, the US support of the overthrow of a democratically elected government (spare me the ‘corruption’ charges please just one acronym ‘HSBC’) and the blatant provocation this week of US military hardware parading in Estonia three hundred yards from the bleeding Russian border. But that doesn’t fit into your one dimensional and impoverished outlook.

    I know you have to follow the government pro-Western line and bash the Russians – but at least give the impression of putting the intellectual effort in.

  • Krys

    Oh dear oh dear. This is incredibly biased journalism isn’t it. There are EU nations that are sick of not being able to make decisions that determine their own future and we have to blame Russia for that? Le Pen in France, Farage here, Podemos in Spain are rising because of frustrations with the EU taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Not Russian propaganda. Weak and scaremonger journalism from the Spectator. Very disappointing.

    • http://www.modern-britain.com ModernBritain

      Indeed. But not surprising given the author.

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  • http://WatchBritishTV.com/ Gary Carlyle

    The east and west are just as dangerous to humanity. This is practically imperialist propaganda. Intentional or not. Watch 1984. Orwell was right.

  • Георги Кънев

    That is
    interesting analysis, but there are significant differences and that is the
    economical ruling approach of governments where Germany and France have
    priority now…so neither Greece will leave the Euro zone nor Bulgaria will change
    its political approach towards the EU, because simply the economies in East Europe
    are already market economies and they have nothing to do with the state
    commanded economy as it is the Russian one…… Second don’t touch the Germany in
    this analysis, because the situation now is absolute unrelated with this one
    before the Second World War beginning.

  • Host8

    It is not true that Zeman was financed by Lukoil. He received money not from Lukoil but from privat person. Everybody of us works somewhere. Some people, who are in opposition to president try to do their best to change the decesion of people by undemocratic way. Everything is good for them and they create bad atmospehere in country , but it is not good for democracy in the Czech Republic. They should realize it.

    • Host8

      The money for presidential camapaign are limited in the Czech Republic. The upper limit for the whole campaign is slightly above 1 million EUR. Each candidate have the equal access to public media. Even a candidate with about 10 000 EUR made a good result. Coud you imagine the same in the USA?

      We decided that it must be citizens who elects a president, not a big business like it is in the USA where the big corporations and financial groups decide who will receive money and in fact have a chance to become a presidential candidate.
      In the Czech Republic we have different approach, it is to eliminate or reduce the importance of money in presidential campaign, more important is personality and the previous history of candidate a his moral credit.

  • Host8

    The article speaks that Milos Zeman, the president of the Czech Republic, invited Russias oligarchas. It is not true.
    President Milos Zeman has a lot of meetings during the year. Everybody can come and ask questions. Nobody have a list of visitors and nobody know who come in advance. Everybody can come. It is a unique and even previous presidents Vaclav Havel and Vaclav Klaus do not have te courage to stay face to face to citizens and answer their questions on everythihg. Milos Zeman has also meetings with people who represent firms, trade unions, different activists and many others. He is a president for all people. He promised it and he does it. He is really interested about the problems in the country.

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  • Victor Terziev

    Some Top of pops
    journalism here! It seems that “our media” credibility has an impermeable shield
    to countless expositions of blatant falsifications and full out manipulation. All
    the current overseas wars (in the last 20 years) have been nicely justified
    with accusations of weapons of destruction and intolerable dictatorship regimes
    that had to be replaced at any price. To date over one million civilian lives
    have perished in the middle east and Northern Africa, because of Western backed
    invasions by the US and UK. War never seems to end in the dictatorship countries
    of the past, (Iraq, Lybia, Syria) and now millions more are flooding to find
    refuge in the EU. If all these wars were for the good of the people, then how
    come they aren’t happily rejoicing in their newly liberated states where they
    can enjoy the freedom and democracy of the west. All the west gives is empty
    promises and in return takes all it can take. This article really does demand
    some expertise in doublethink otherwise it simply makes no sense. Blame
    everything on the “new” enemy and make a fuss about trivial statements here and
    there while failing to comment on world events of the utmost importance.

    In any case the
    information coming out from beyond the “Iron Curtain” seems to make a
    lot more sense if you happen to have the ability to think and piece together
    some basic historic knowledge. I guess in Oceania the government is not pleased
    with the overseas war effort. The enemy does always tend to reside abroad for
    some strange reason, but with faith in God, the Government and their jolly wealthy
    and influential friends all efforts will be worthwhile.

    “The
    party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good
    of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power.”

    I guess it all makes
    sense, but only if you’re part of the club!

  • Boleslaw Bierut

    A propos “attacks on ‘our corrupt political class’” – that’s why her husband, Radek Sikorski, mister twister ex minister, lost his position in Polish politics. Great irony, isn’t it?;)

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