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Not just a fad: the dangerous reality of 'clean eating'

The trendy nutritional advice that's more likely to make you ill than healthy

22 August 2015

9:00 AM

22 August 2015

9:00 AM

The supermarket aisle has become a confusing place. It used to be full of recognisable items like cheese and butter; now you find yourself bamboozled by all manner of odd alternatives such as ‘raw’ hummus, wheat-free bread and murky juices. You have to stay pretty alert to make sure you pick up a pint of proper milk, rather than a soy-based alternative or one free from lactose. Supermarkets have become shrines to ‘clean eating’, a faith that promises happiness, healthiness and energy. Food is to be worshipped — and feared.

As with all growing religions, you know it by its disciples. On The Great British Bake Off, one contestant, Ugne Bubnaityte, has denounced cake as a ‘nutritional sin’ and she hopes to win with low-fat, vegan and gluten-free recipes. Commercially, she’s on to a winner: the market for gluten-free food is soaring and is forecast to grow by 46 per cent, to £560 million, within two years. For those who can’t wait, there’s always the NHS, which wrote 211,200 prescriptions for low-protein or gluten-free food last year (including cakes and pizza). As Dr James Cave, editor of the Drugs & Therapeutics Bulletin, puts it, the NHS is ‘acting as bakers and grocers’.

The high priestesses of this new religion are a group of young, attractive women who amass hundreds of thousands of followers online as more and more people turn to them for guidance. Essentially recipe bloggers, they are becoming revered for telling us what to eat and what not to eat. In an age of confusion, they seem to offer a path.

There’s 25-year-old Madeleine Shaw, a ‘holistic nutritional health coach’ who believes in ‘enlivening the hottest, happiest and healthiest you’ and offers a ‘chia seed egg substitute’ to use in recipes. Ella Woodward, 23, bounced back from a rare illness after adopting a new plant-based diet and entices her followers with sweet potato brownies. Tess Ward, 23, has written a cookbook called The Naked Diet which replaces the conventional chapter headings — ‘Breakfasts’, ‘Starters’, ‘Mains’, ‘Puddings’ —with ‘Pure’, ‘Raw’, ‘Stripped’, ‘Clean’ and ‘Detox’. And there’s the Hemsley sisters, Jasmine and Melissa, whose bestselling cookbook The Art of Eating Well contains no recipes with grains, gluten or refined sugar.

Woodward recommends raw, rather than pasteurised, coconut water, which is tinted pink ‘because of all those antioxidants’ and warns about the dangers of dairy. Milk, she says, ‘can actually cause calcium loss in our bones! This is because milk causes the pH of our bodies to become acidic which triggers a natural reaction in our bodies to bring the pH of our blood back to neutral’. When we drink milk, she says, calcium is drawn from our bones in order to rebalance the acidity it causes, which can result in a calcium deficit.

This is news to nutritionists. Milk can, if consumed in absurdly excessive quantities, lead to a condition called milk-alkali syndrome — but this is more commonly caused by over-consumption of calcium supplements than by guzzling milk. More common is calcium deficiency, which the NHS says can be caused by cutting out dairy products.

Sian Porter, a consultant dietitian, warns that ‘if people do not plan really carefully for substitutes for food groups then you can end up malnourishing yourself.’ So these diets are not simply a silly fad that might leave you a little skinnier. The pursuit of wellness and ‘clean eating’ could, in the long-term, make you unwell. ‘Often, these people have found that an approach works for them, and that’s great,’ says Porter. ‘But it doesn’t mean that it will work for anyone else.’

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The Hemsley sisters write on their site that gluten ‘breaks down the microvilli in your small intestine, eventually letting particles of your food leach into your bloodstream, which is referred to as “leaky gut syndrome”’. This can be the case, but only for those suffering from coeliac disease. It is not the case for those who do not have this autoimmune condition. Ian Marber, a nutrition expert who is a coeliac, says that many of the wellness gurus have ‘little understanding of the responsibility that comes with discussing food. Everyone eats, so everyone thinks they are an expert, but these people are injecting an unwelcome degree of paranoia into society, without any scientific backing.’ If you drank too much wine and have a hangover, he says, you blame too much alcohol. ‘But if people eat too much bread, they would rather say they have some sort of intolerance than admit they over-indulged.’

It’s not entirely clear why ‘eating clean’, by avoiding gluten and certain carbohydrates, would keep people healthy. As the British Dietetic Association puts it, carbohydrates are crucial; they represent the body’s main energy supply and should make up half of each meal. They are not inherently fattening; any unneeded energy ‘will be converted into fat no matter what the source’. Those low-carb diets? Research suggests they ‘don’t seem to help people lose weight and keep it off’. But the overwhelming message from the plethora of people urging us to eat cauliflower couscous and gluten-free loaves is a simple one: carbs are bad.

The fear of gluten, milk and other newly unfashionable foods could also damage children whose parents foist their fads on the whole family. ‘Muesli-belt malnutrition’ was first identified by doctors in the late 1990s, when they found children were suffering as a result of the excessively restrictive diets that their health-conscious middle-class parents had developed. Now, with the internet so readily at hand to offer quick diagnoses, the new obsession seems to be with allergies and intolerances, and cutting out all sorts of foods in order to deal with them.

It ties into a similar mantra espoused by those who pursue wellness — that you can heal yourself — and your family — by cutting out entire food groups. Earlier this year, the charity Sense About Science warned that parents were risking leaving their children malnourished by restricting their diets in order to deal with perceived health problems. A decade ago, a study of 969 children in the Isle of Wight found that a third of them were thought by their parents to have food allergies; in fact, only 5 per cent did.

It’s not often that science intrudes into the world of ‘wellness’ fads. To become a clean eating guru, a cheery demeanour seems to matter far more than proper qualifications. Ella Woodward, Madeleine Shaw and Tess Ward all studied History of Art. The latter two then studied an online course with the Institute for Integrative Nutrition. This course, based in America, claims to be a ‘movement’ working to reverse the health crisis by promoting the concept of ‘bio–individuality’ — a concept coined by its founder Joshua Rosenthal (who eats a gluten-free diet). It hinges on the idea that one person’s food is another person’s poison.

The institute claims that the qualification it offers is ‘rooted in science’ — a claim which puzzles Dr Max Pemberton, Spectator Health editor and an eating disorders specialist. ‘The minute you scratch beneath the surface,’ he says, ‘you realise it isn’t.’

It is certainly rooted in commercial logic: the surging demand for wellness gurus means that those brandishing credentials are welcomed by an audience often mistrustful of mainstream medicine. The institute is happy to boast about this on its website, quoting a student who says that ‘with the ability to see clients before graduation, my education was paid for before it was completed’.

Successful gurus are cashing in: the Hemsley sisters sell their own brand of ‘spiraliser’, a gadget for turning courgettes into ‘courgetti’, a gluten-free pasta substitute. Supermarket sales of courgettes are soaring thanks to health-conscious consumers embracing the vegetable, which is presented as having near-miraculous powers.

The avocado, once considered an enemy because of its high fat content, has been forgiven; and in America, where many of these trends originate, sales of the fruit have quadrupled since 2000. It is a good time to grow avocados, a bad time to herd cows.

The pursuit of wellness is a dream, and every dream has a darker side. On a number of pro-anorexia websites, there are discussions about many of the topics favoured by the wellness brigade. On a popular clean eating website, one girl writes that the ‘spring rolls are easy to take to work and look like you’re actually eating proper food, lol’. On a thread devoted to the topic of chia seeds, a user comments that they are ‘really helping with hunger’ because ‘when they get into your stomach they absorb the water and expand, making you feel full’.

While the wellness gurus deliberately avoid any discussion of eating disorders and diets, their attitude to food is often worrying. Madeleine Shaw admits that she ‘wasn’t always this healthy’ and that as a young girl she had ‘quite a torturous relationship with food and my body’. She suffered cycles of ‘depriving and bingeing’, which led to her hair falling out and her periods stopping. At one point, she reportedly ate only rice cakes and fruit. She is careful not to refer explicitly to an eating disorder, but it certainly sounds as if she had a disordered way of eating. Phrases used by devotees of the religion, such as ‘eat clean’ or ‘it’s not a diet, it’s a lifestyle’, feature frequently on pro-anorexia chat rooms. In a blog on the Anorexic Angels website, which has since been taken down, ‘Ima_Be_Thin’ referred to gluten-free as the ‘best diet trick ever’ because ‘it’s just such a common allergy no one 2nd guesses me’. Dr Bijal Chheda-Varma, a consultant at the Nightingale Hospital in London who specialises in eating disorders, says that she is seeing more and more patients who have eschewed certain food groups based on advice they have read online. ‘Clean eating’ is a term she is used to hearing as a way of justifying a particular diet. ‘Apps and social media do not necessarily cause obsessive behaviour, but can increase obsession over food,’ she says.

Social media websites are wary about being associated with eating disorders; Instagram’s privacy and safety centre has a whole section dedicated to the topic. A search for the phrase ‘anorexia’ brings up a warning about ‘graphic content’. But type in ‘orthorexia’ — the term associated with obsessive healthy eating — and no such warning appears. More than 80,000 images pop up, tagged with those increasingly familiar incantations: #wellness #eatclean #nourish.

The sentiment underlying this new cult isn’t a bad one. Most of us would like to be healthier. But we can’t expect the supermarkets to let us know what healthy is — their job is to flog us food, and they do it very well. The overwhelming advice from the people who know a lot about nutrition and dietary health doesn’t seem to have changed much over the years: everything in moderation.


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  • davidshort10

    This is such a new trend, I have never heard of it.

    • Al

      you have now

      • davidshort10

        Not really, as I was not at all drawn to read the article. Cannot imagine why it is the cover story of the Spectator and I would imagine it has caused a drop in casual newsstand sales this week.

  • ViolinSonaten b minor.

    Why on earth is food always tampered with.
    I like yoghurt but in the UK ( unlike Europe, Austria in particular) you cannot by a
    tub that doesn’t contain ‘ live bacteria’ I just want yoghurt,.
    I’ll assume if I eat healthily ( which doesn’t include melted plastic and chemicals)
    I’ll produce my own antibodies.
    I’d like to point out that last week I accidently drank some milk that should have
    been used by the 28 of June 2015. It was fine, either it had been tampered with out of existence, you shouldn’t believe labels or my taste buds have gone to pot.
    The real killer is sugar, leave butter alone.

    • doctorseraphicus

      I’m not sure the point of the added bacteria is to furnish you with some antibodies. Something to do with “gut flora”, i.e. the demographics of bacteria which inhabit your digestive system. It all sounds like a lot of hokum to me.

      Sugar, as the great Professor Yudkin foretold, is not a good thing to consume in large amounts. Butter, in my wholly unscientific opinion, is health-food.

  • Clive

    I am vegan because I like animals. I have been vegan since 1989, vegetarian (no meat, fish or eggs) since 1978.

    I am also an old fat bastard like a lot of old fat bastards who are not vegans

    I’ve never understood all these eating fads. Logically, our conscious self-awareness has ‘evolved’ (if such a term is apposite) at a much greater speed than our bodies.

    So I would have thought that eating a diet closest to where your evolutionary tree came from is probably most healthy. My mother was Irish and my father from the north of England so I probably ought to eat potatoes and tripe. I don’t.

    I eat stuff like apricots and peaches this time of year which are grown far away.

    The fact is, mediaeval and more ancient food – which was local for peasants like me – was absolutely Godawful tasteless if you believe Ruth Goodman and others.

    So I eat what looks good but does not involve mashed animals, hens’ periods, etc. and I am not a calf so I don’t drink cow’s milk. I know cows are bred to produce way too much milk and need to be milked but that’s nothing to do with me and ought to be reversed in my view.

    I have no allergies except possibly Jeremy Corbyn and that’s probably due to over-exposure – not least through young Hardman who like Mumsnet appears quite taken with him.

    Perhaps I ramble vacuously due to veganism. Never thought of that…

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      ” I am a vegan because I like animals” Oh no offense but that goody two
      shoes smug approach.
      A relative and her husband are vegans, she is also a therapist and buys clothes from charity shops, utterly smug and believes we don’t care about animals because we eat them . I’d like to point out we don’t eat our pet
      dog or believe in cruelty and we like animals too.
      And then there is the case of feet getting wet due to those paper shoes,
      sorry, I can understand vegetarianism but veganism is a totally obsessive
      different ball game of self sacrifice .

      You might be right, rambling away because of being a vegan, your molars
      are being underused 😉

      • Clive

        Suppose it was simply true ? Suppose you were vegan because you’d seen a Tamworth Red pig running around a corner with its ears flapping and you did not want it or any of its friends to die to give you a different taste in your mouth ? How would you say it ?

        That’s the PR side of veganism. Nobody can be completely vegan because your immune system will kill bacteria whether you like it or not and they are also living entities.

        Not as engaging as happy pigs playing football (they do) but living entities nonetheless. Like slugs; spiders; cockroaches; woodlice and all those other less advertisable animals.

        Go to Vegetarian Shoes in Brighton – I have for years and my shoes are every bit as good as leather.

        …And don’t bite yer lip.

        • Adam Bromley

          One aspect of vegan diet has always struck me as a little odd. Why don’t you eat mussels, clams or oysters? They have an extremely rudimentary nervous system with no ability to feel pain, no brain. Basically just a valve that opens and closes. And given their extremely high nutritional value, it would make staying healthy on vegan (or vegan plus clams) diet so much easier.

          • steve

            Adam – that is a great question, and one I struggled with. I loved scallops.

            I did a lot of research and the more i learned about the toxins in both ocean water and fish farms really was shocking. All fish absorb impurities in the water. Impurities we put there. From mercury, to pesticides that we use on land that washes into the sea, to a myriad other chemicals and toxic industrial waste.

            The reason we get red-tide creating massive dead zones in our oceans is because of the pollution we pour into it. And Scallops are especially good at absorbing that, becoming essentially a toxin magnet.

            Fish farms are no better. The filth is unimaginable. You have to see it to believe in.

            So, I choose to skip the fish.

          • Adam Bromley

            Fair enough, thanks for your considered reply.

          • Callipygian

            My god, what do you eat? Something like Ice Man’s gruel, probably. I just couldn’t stick it.

          • steve

            Last night i had seitan skewers with pomegranate sauce, “ricotta” mushroom ravioli. Wine, and a fruit tart and coconut ice cream.

            The day before that I have a shiitake “bacon” black-bean cheese-burger with sweet potato fries with a touch of cinnamon. I had beer with that.

            The day before that i had home made BBQ portobello mushroom and pineapple pizza, an avocado and tomato salad. Wine. And more ice cream.

            Ice man’s gruel?

            Its interesting to me that the only way people can get the flesh of dead animals to taste like anything is to cook it so that the urea (waste matter trapped in the meat) becomes salty, then add salt, pepper, ketchup, cheese, onions, tomatoes, pickles and all kinds of other plant based foods, spices and artificial flavors.

          • Callipygian

            Don’t like soy pretend products, myself. Don’t like sweet potatoes. Don’t like fruits on pizza. Don’t want loads of ice cream (the insulin!). So I wouldn’t enjoy your diet (what is seitan or is that yet another soy thing?).

            Also I don’t recognize your description of meat cooking. In particular it has nothing to do with how we cook fish (grilled, often) in this household, or poultry. Otherwise I don’t really see your point: you dress up plant food by pretending its something else, while non-vegans add seasonings that often involve plant life to their meat. What’s the point?

          • steve

            You said “My god, what do you eat? Something like Ice Man’s gruel, probably. I just couldn’t stick it.”

            My point is that you seem unaware of the incredible variety of flavors and textures available from a whole food plant based standpoint.

            Whether you like it or not (or are willing to believe it or not), its not the ice man gruel you think it is.

          • Callipygian

            Fair enough. Enjoy!

          • Muhammed Atta

            This is why that flesh should be eaten as close to live as possible. Is the taste troubles, try yoni butter from mantis

          • Randy McCandy

            Fish have been dumping in the ocean for millions of years. Amazing anything can live there.

          • Gene Ric

            Most red tide is caused naturally. The manmade occurrences are the results of fertilizer runoff, that is, alga food. Hmmm… plants eat fertilizers.

          • steve

            Great point. Gene Ric.

            Its true. A massive amount of water, petroleum based fertilizers, pesticides etc are used to treat plants that end up polluting our soil, air and oceans.

            I did a bunch of reading up on this and learned that its widely accepted that around 80% of all grains grown in the world are actually used to fatten livestock so that the wealthiest countries can gorge on meat while a billion people in the world starve.

            This is not an insignificant fact in relation to your concern about fertilizer run-off

          • Solage 1386

            Nature created homo sapiens. Nature is unwise. Nature is blind.

        • Solage 1386

          What do vegans do if they get fleas? They often get fleas, of course, as they are generally dirty.

          • steve

            That’s a silly comment.

          • Solage 1386

            True. But what does a vegan with fleas actually do to get rid of them?

        • Ambientereal

          You kill also animals by not eating them. Suppose from tomorrow on, everyone becomes vegan, then all cattle will disappear. No one will grow pigs or cows or chicken and so on. They will disappear.

          • steve

            Is that a good argument for force breeding them by the billions?

          • Matt Sharp

            Do you also kill humans by using contraception?

          • Ambientereal

            No, when I was young (now I´m over 60) my wife and me (still together) decided that 2 children was enough and I did vasectomy. Today we have 2 lovely children of about 30 running their own lives. In fact I eat little meat about 1 pound per week, and with very low fat.

          • Matt Sharp

            Oh, so you only had 2 children? But what about all the children that you could have had?

            Because you didn’t have them, you killed them.

            Of course, if you think it’s ridiculous to equate the non-creation of a child with the killing of a child, then you should also think it’s ridiculous to equate the non-breeding of animals with the killing of animals.

          • Ambientereal

            I´m not saying you take their life but you make them disappear.

          • Muhammed Atta

            So then why so many pant-suits ?

          • Callipygian

            What a weird question!

          • Clive

            What’s wrong with that ? I daresay you don’t eat blue whales so there aren’t that many of them. Why should there not be fewer cows and sheep ?

            …And what do you think are the chances of everyone becoming vegan overnight ?

            We are all becoming vegan gradually because meat eating is not a good way of using resources like water which is becoming scarce http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/global-water-shortage-exacerbated-by-droughts-and-misuse-a-1047527.html

          • Ambientereal

            Blue whales are “wild” animals and of course we should not eat them. No one grows whales in a whale farm. And of course if we stop killing them, their population will increase, but on the contrary, if there is no use for animals like cows, pigs or chicken which doesn´t exist in wilderness, they will simply disappear.

          • Clive

            There are all sorts of animals around that we don’t eat. Of course there would be far fewer of them because they would not be factory produced

            Not a bad thing

          • Ambientereal

            Never heard of reverse osmosis?

        • steve

          No vegan is perfect. But Vegans do what they can to minimize being the cause of suffering.

          Is that really so ridiculous?

          • blandings

            Yup, pretty much ridiculous

          • Jeremy

            Perhaps a viewing of Earthlings will help you evolve a bit.

          • blandings

            Individuals can’t evolve Jeremy
            Suggest you read “On the Origin of Species” – It’s a book all about evolving.

          • steve

            Thanks Blandings,

            Individuals can evolve spiritually. We can deepen our understanding of an issue, which is what jeremy was referring to.

            Whether they do or not is a better of open-mindedness.

            Are you willing to be open minded?

          • eveh

            No, it isn’t. And I dare say if I had to kill my meat instead of buy it in packages, I would hesitate to eat it. We tried the back to Basics style of living when we were young hippies bit failed miserably because we could not kill anything we raised. But I do know that God intended our bodies to have animal protein with his blessings so I do eat it.

          • Jeremy

            Um, I doubt you have gods blessing to kill his creations when there are other options.

          • eveh

            Actually he does tell Peter to kill and eat meat with his blessings. He also said that in the end times there would be people who would say we must refrain from eating meat but we were not to listen to them. What God has blessed is good.

          • Muhammed Atta

            Repurposing

          • steve

            How do you know God gave us His blessing to eat?

            Are you referring to biblical passages?

            The Bible does say some things that condone eating meat. It also, in places, condones slavery (Leviticus) and war, rape and murder (Book of Numbers).

            We have, thankfully, used discretion with these biblical instructions, and these behaviors are not tolerated in todays culture (except, perhaps, war, of which I’m not a huge fan).

            The bible also says God gave us every herb bearing seed, and fruit bearing tree, and to us “it shall be for meat”. So, here, God expressly directs humans to consume a vegan diet.

            Even the most devoutly religious can find text that offends deeply-held moral commitments. Veganism is a compassionate use of discretion that in no way contradicts holy text. Nowhere in scripture does it say; thou shalt not eat a plant based diet. One can devoutly follow the spirit of the Bible and be vegan at the same time. There is no conflict.

            It is interesting to me that man protects things created by man in the name of God (such as the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, images of Mohammed, etc) yet desecrates the real work of God – life on earth, and our precious planet.

            What are you thoughts about slaughterhouses?

          • eveh

            We are under Grace not under the law. Read the New Testement.

          • csirna

            No. It’s a personal choice.

          • steve

            I have a couple of thoughts about that; one that considers if it is really a choice at all, and one that considers if it being a personal choice makes it ok.

            1)
            When I listen to reasons why people eat meat, it usually boils down to a few things; taste, comfort, convenience, and tradition. (There are also a few myths about protein and calcium.)

            These are all culturally imposed. It was never actually not our choice to eat meat.

            We were fed cows milk as we weened off our mother’s milk, and thus associate it pretty much from birth as a deep source of love and nourishment… but that is not our choice, thats cultural indoctrination.

            Then we are spoon feed mashed chicken and rice baby food, then chicken nuggets and burgers from when we were infants and are told that we must get our protein, and that we must finish our food.

            These culture biases are so pervasive that claiming that it is our personal choice to eat meat is about as about as personal as our choice to speak the native language of the country we were raised in.

            The truth is, it was never our choice, it was our indoctrination.

            2)
            A rapist could claim that raping is a personal choice. That certainly does not make rape ok. It completely ignores the rights of the victim.

            In eating meat, there are many victims
            – our health, and our family’s health
            – the killing of an animal
            – the suffering of the animal
            – the squanderingof massive amounts of natural resources
            – the polluting of our planet
            – future generations
            – the rain forests that are being cut down to graze cattle to produce cheap meat.
            – and our own psyche, that is forced to reject all these victims to justify eating meat.

            The list goes.

            So, just as the rapist does not have the right to rape, because ethically, consideration must be given to the victim, so too should we, who are open to new ideas, consider the consequences of our choices.

          • Solage 1386

            Exactly the same thoughts ran through my mind as I stood in a queue at McDonalds the other day……..I finally, after much spiritual torture and metaphysical musings on the nature of good and evil, chose a quarter-pounder and fries–with no cheese and two gherkins. £1.99, and worth every penny, in my opinion……..

          • Muhammed Atta

            Eat people. Raw.

          • Shimrod

            If you are not careful, you are going to “evolve” yourself into extinction.
            What right do you have to kill the bacteria that are causing an infection? They are just living organisms trying to get by and being destroyed for your convenience.
            How about a nest of ants in your kitchen?
            At what point is an organism large/complex enough to be protected under your philosophy?
            In your (false) equivalency you imply there is no difference between a human being (rape) and an animal (food). I disagree. Our legal system also differentiates between killing a human (murder) and killing an animal (animal cruelty).

          • steve

            You raise a number of great points;

            1) If you are not careful, you are going to “evolve” yourself into extinction.

            2) At what point is an organism large/complex enough to be protected under your philosophy?

            3) Our legal system also differentiates between killing a human (murder) and killing an animal (animal cruelty).

            I asked my self the same things, and then did a little research to find out what resonated with me. Here what I found.

            1) Extinction;

            15 of the leading 16 causes of death (according to U.S. statistics, at least) are diet related and these diseases are either reverseable, preventable or treatable with a whole food plant based diet. (Here is a lecture by Dr. Michael Gregor that supports that claim with facts. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/). So, when it comes to healthy humans, my money is on the side that avoids the causes of preventable death.

            2) Where do i draw the line?

            I draw the line in a number of ways by asking my self a few questions.

            “Am i causing unnecessary suffering?”

            That is to say, is there another way to achieve what I want to achieve that reduces or eliminates the suffering i may inadvertently cause. “Animal sentience” is a relatively new frontier of science that every dog-lover has known forever. Animals have their own lives, their own interests, their own intelligence, and they experience pain and pleasure, and emotions. Every child that ever saw a puppy that was hurt can empathize with that. Just because we cannot talk with them, or relate in other ways should not be the green light for us to willfully cause them unnecessary harm. So, I try to avoid that whenever practical.

            Of course, If you sneaked into my home and threatened my family, I would kill you, probably slowly. I have no problems there. I also don’t have a problem killing Nazis who cause suffering to others.

            In general, Im about compassion where possible. And it’s amazing how often it’s possible.

            The other way i draw the line is asking “Is eating this food in my best interests?”

            I apply this to things like scallops and muscles that are filled with cholesterol, heavy metals and absorb whatever toxins they are exposed to in the ocean or in the filth of fish farms. (Its also good to be aware that the higher you eat up the food chain, the more concentrated those toxins are. Pigs and cows are fed fish me amongst other things, and a lot of it, so, their meat contains all that heavy metal and pesticide run off too. these are the roots of most western cancers.)

            3) Legal differentiation between humans and animals.

            In my rape analogy, i was addressing personal choice. Just because its your choice to rape, does not make rape ok. There are victims to consider.

            Regarding legal differentiation. That doesn’t really determine my code of ethics. Who made these laws? When were they made? Not so long ago, in the states, there was a legal differentiation between blacks and whites. I would not have accepted that. Up until recently, there was a legal differentiation between gays and straights. I did not accept that either.

            So, I don’t really care about the law, I care about what I think is right, and I’ll do whatever is in my power, and without hurting the innocent, to alleviate suffering.

            Where do you draw the line with causing unnecessary suffering? Would you throw a dog into a river to drown if you did not need to? Would you shoot a pig if you did not need to?

            I am sure you would not. Am I wrong?

            If i am not wrong, and your core values are compassionate, then there are amazing opportunities to live more in alignment with those values in a way that incredibly healthy, and great for the planet.

          • csirna

            Indoctrinated much?

          • steve

            What exactly is your objection?

        • ViolinSonaten b minor.
        • ViolinSonaten b minor.

          Ah so your not beneath using the Tamworth Two as a bit of emotional blackmail- see link below.

          Just answer if we cannot eat meat, must we give them birth control pills, to limit the amount of others they produce.
          And I say again, we don’t eat animals we are emotionally with.
          And I’ll check out the shoe shop if I’m ever in Brighton,
          Vegetarian Shoes- whatever next .

          https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pictures+of+the+tamworth+two&rlz=1T4DGUK_enGB307GB307&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCQQsARqFQoTCNfdzMmmuMcCFS0H2wodDzAMXA&biw=1280&bih=549

          • Clive

            You can order stuff from Vegetarian Shoes over the internet http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/
            I promise I have no financial or similar interest in Vegetarian Shoes – I just buy from them occasionally even though they’re quite expensive

        • Callipygian

          Is it leather but feather for you? Veganism is a bit like spelunking. You think it’s just one more hole below and then you find there’s another cave waiting….

      • Snibbo

        “I am also an old fat bastard like a lot of old fat bastards who are not vegans”
        Right or wrong I don’t think you can accuse him of a “goody two shoes smug approach”

      • Leona Beazant

        I often find that people are offended by vegetarian /vegan diets because they understand that they are contributing to the suffering of animals. Hence they react emotionally. What follows is usually denial, (not even wanting to talk about suffering), equivocation fallacy, (plants suffer too), or ad hominem attack(you think your better than me waaaaa!). Please know none of us started veggie…..we’ve all eaten meat and are not without guilt. We have simply faced up to the facts and made a mature decision that we do not need to keep killing animals to survive. Just truely think about it. If you can justify the idustrial slaughter of animals in your mind then why get offended by someone offering a different view? I suggest you go see an animal being slaughtered/do it yourselve just so you know exactly what you are contributing to.

        • Gene Ric

          Killing and dressing an animal isn’t so bad at all. You can get used to it very easily, especially if you grew up doing it. I grew up doing it. Trust me, I appreciate animals more than you will ever know. You learn to respect animals in a very different way when you take their life and use them for sustenance. I value the lives of animals because of what they offer me. And besides – animals eat animals every second of every day. Hell, they are the ones that invented it.

          • Leona Beazant

            “Trust me, I appreciate animals more than you will ever know” – Appeal to authority. “And besides – animals eat animals every second of every day” – equivocation fallacy. They do it to survive, you do it because you like the taste. I know that we can allow our sensitivity to emotional and empathetically difficult situations to become dulled as we do it more often but that isn’t a justification for the action. “You can get used to it very easily, especially if you grew up doing it. I grew up doing it.” “You learn to respect animals in a very different way when you take their life and use them for sustenance.” Don’t confuse apathy with respect my friend. In your mind you may justify it this way but a simple analogy will illuminate the problem. Saying that you respect someone as you stab them to death in no way makes it morally acceptable. You say you respect and value the life of the animals you consume? About as much as I respect and value the life of a turnip. The difference being that we know that turnips don’t suffer when they are killed/eaten.(Suffering being recognised by recoiling from pain).

        • Shimrod

          The statement “We have simply faced up to the facts and made a mature decision that we do not need to keep killing animals to survive.” pretty much implies that anyone who is not a vegan is immature…Hence the “ad hominem” attacks.
          Most vegans I have met do think they are superior (more “evolved”) and, worse yet, they wear their veganism on their sleeve.
          I don’t care if you want to eat crap because of some misplaced guilt. Just don’t try and tell me what I should eat and don’t expect me to cater to your self inflicted dietary restrictions either at home or in a restaurant.

          • Leona Beazant

            To say that one aspect of a persons development, e.g. morality, is not as mature as say someone who chooses not to eat other sentient life does not imply that the person is totally immature. To clarify I was referring to a person’s moral maturity. I never tell people what they ‘should’ eat instead I explain my reasoning and hope that they come to the same conclusion in time. Your animosity towards vegans/vegetarians, in my opinion, just illuminates the fact that you know you are contributing to the harm of those animals. Instead of trying to discredit those who hold a different position, why not try to justify your own position? Please explain why extending the right to not be killed to other sentient animals who suffer like we do is not more morally mature.

    • MacGuffin

      ”I am vegan because I like animals.”

      Really? That’s exactly the same reason why I eat them. Mmmmmmm, animals…

      • Clive

        I haven’t heard that one before…

        ..in the last 20 minutes, anyway

        • Caractacus

          When I was a very young child, I swore off meat because eating animals was clearly, utterly and irrevocably wrong.

          Fortunately, this stupid idea lasted about two weeks.

        • Callipygian

          Fish and fowl for me: extremely healthy food, and much as I like them as animals, if I had to kill them myself, I would. Can’t say the same about other animals.

      • zoozoo

        Oh man! The originality is astounding!

        • MacGuffin

          I know. I’ve heard that ‘I don’t eat animals because I like animals’ a million times before.

          • zoozoo

            You also are really good at not making sense!

    • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

      At some point above you said something like ‘we ought to eat a diet related to where we came from’ by which I thought you meant a diet like our evolutionary forebears ate. If we go back a few tens of thousands of years we KNOW that our ancestors were hunter gatherers and ate what animals they could get and fruits, seeds and tubers they could gather. Since homo-sapiens of twenty thousand years ago virtually exterminated large herbivores wherever they lived, be it in North America, Europe and Asia, we can assume that meat eating was a very important part of their diet, and when you kill a mammoth or an aurox, even if it took an extended group of colleagues to do so, you had a hell of a lot of meat to eat for at least a week until it went rotten. Meat eating is an entirely natural part of the diet of homo-sapiens and it has been so for tens of thousands of years. How those animals are kept, transported and killed is a legitimate are of concern for any humane being, but one thing is for sure; human beings eat meat in the main and they always have done.

      • Ambientereal

        There are also animals (like dogs and cats) that eat meat, and they are not “bad animals” for it. Lovely birds that eat bugs and worms. Why eat plants only? they are also living creatures, isn´t it?

        • steve

          Plants don’t suffer.

          • Ambientereal

            How do you know?

          • agneau

            Prince Charles told him.

          • steve

            Fair point. I don’t know.

            I can’t ask them. I can’t ask cats or dogs either if they suffer to really know if they differ.

            In fact, to be existential for a moment, can we really “know” anything?… No.

            But we CAN look at the evidence, as well as use intuition and common sense, and deduce.

            Scientific studies on the “sentience” of animals study their interest in being attracted to pleasure, and how they avoid pain. this is one way to measure their interest in staring alive.

            There is a difference between sentient animals and plants in this regard.

            Thats the scientific approach.

            Re intuition, i think that every child knows the difference between sticking a know into a tomato and sticking a knife into a kitten.

            If you were to stab an animal and justify it by saying that the animal feels pain like a tomato does, your sanity might be questioned.

            Lastly, most fruits, veggies and graisn give their food freely. The apple tree drops the apple without harming the tree.

            So, those are 3 ways I differentiate animals suffering from plants.

          • Ambientereal

            Then stick a knife in a coma patient and you will conclude (with scientific evidence) that he is a tomato.

          • steve

            The discussion was about causing suffering. If the coma victim is brain dead, then, yes, they would experience no suffering. Thats why they call it a vegetative state.

            I agree, that does not make it right to stab a coma victim. The analogy is provocative and immature. If you cannot see the difference between a human and a tomato, you have far more problems than my veganism.

          • Solage 1386

            Many of those commenting here are brain dead, including me…….

          • Solage 1386

            Or a vegetable…..

          • Callipygian

            Anyone that has spent more than five minutes with either a cat or a dog KNOWS that they suffer. Gee whiz.

          • blandings

            Yes we do

          • Solage 1386

            They may not suffer, but they are still being destroyed. Some of them, of course, “want” to be eaten. Hence berries and nectar. Some do not. Hence thorns and poison.

      • Clive

        I should clarify that I realise we are omnivores but I have chosen to be a vegan

        That means I imagine that I should eat that part of the evolved diet not involving animals from local sources

        But I don’t anyway so…

    • Solage 1386

      You should be put in a cage with a famished tiger. You can explain the benefits of veganism to it as it gobbles you. This will put an end to any vacuous rambling.

      • steve

        Thats a good point. Who would win in a fig between a tiger and a human? Yet we call our selves natural carnivores. The truth is we are not naturally equipped physically to be hunters. We are equipped to be gatherers.

        • CPT

          Humans are natural tool-users. Watch a baby. The fact that we don’t have razor sharp claws and fangs doesn’t mean that we aren’t natural hunters.

          • steve

            hmm, we donthave claws, or sharp teeth. You are right. No are we fast runners. I don’t think we have the inclination either to kill and eat fresh blood soaked flesh (feathers, face, brain, intestines at all.) Do you salivate at the sight of road kill? I don’t. Ifs interesting to me how slaughter houses aren’t more celebrated. The killing is something that most people don’t like seeing.

          • Solage 1386

            Have you seen the film “It’s Alive”? The baby in this film DOES have razor sharp claws and fangs. It tears apart the doctors and nurses as it emerges from the womb, and later on in the film actually DEVOURS a milkman! I saw it in a cinema in 1975, and almost shat myself with fear….

        • Solage 1386

          I am a parasite, and proud of it!

      • Clive

        So you would deliberately starve a tiger to produce a spectacle for your entertainment ?

        • Solage 1386

          The tiger is a vegan.

          • Clive

            The snag there is that I would cheerfully eat people and I am a vegan and the tiger might share my view

            Good luck to him. I fear he’d be a fat lump after eating me, though

    • TomV

      a) I am a meat eater and I also like animals.
      b) Potatoes are imported from America.

      • Clive

        (a) God help your friends
        (b) Through all recent millennia ? Evolution takes a while

    • Ambientereal

      Then I can conclude that you don´t like plants, because you eat them. I, on the contrary, love plants, every kind, with or without flowers. And I certainly eat them and thank them for feeding me and keeping me alive.

      • Clive

        That’s true, I don’t much like plants and I do eat them

    • Roger Hudson

      What animals would be left in ‘Vegan world’, i looked at the species and concluded that only pollinating insects would be left with a few predators to control then, most birds that eat seeds would have to ‘go’ along with all the birds and animals used for meat, the countryside would be have just big fields and greenhouses.

    • fcabanski

      “I don’t understand these eating fads. I don’t eat smashed animals”.

      “I don’t follow fads” uttered as you push a fad.

    • Minxey

      Thanks for the laugh.

    • HOT FROG

      I hate factory farming.

    • Muhammed Atta

      But nuts *are* meat. Yes u r a brain damaged vegan. The brain damage, at this late juncture, can only be remediated with Zyklon -B. If they have run out, ask for Zyklon -A. Please ensure that you absorb it in the nude.

      God speed

  • Han

    I have been following Woodward on instagram. Whilst some of her recipes are actually quite nice (an avocado courgetti actually), I hate how she claims this diet cured her illness.
    When you completely change every aspect of your diet, it is horrifically unscientific to claim it was the change as a whole which cured her. Perhaps it was gluten, diary or increased exercise but it’s ridiculous to advise people this is how to be healthy when you’re a sample size of one and have countless variables.

  • Herman_U_Tick

    An opportunity to include a pic of lovely Ella missed.

    Try here, halfway down:

    http://www.welltodolondon.com/british-blogger-deliciously-ellas-cookbook-set-bestseller/

    • Clive

      Who’s Ella ?

    • doctorseraphicus

      She has the principal qualification to be a health guru: attractive, slim young woman radiating happiness and well-being.

  • Dodgy Geezer

    The problem is straightforward.

    Most people are mindless morons, and will do whatever they are told. They have no opinions except the ones that have been handed down to them by their social groups, who tell them that an ‘expert’ has said this. Little or nothing of what they ‘know’ is based on any fact they might be able to independently verify. They live in a ‘Matrix-like’ world.

    The process is staggering to behold. I have observed a group of students discussing an environmental issue. The ‘leader’ was telling them about it, and had misunderstood it sufficiently to be presenting the opposite of what was actually the case. I mentioned this to one of the group after he had gone, together with the (well-known) facts that showed that he was wrong.

    “Oh”, said my acquaintance. “But even though that bit was wrong, he must have been right in some way?”

    • Solage 1386

      How wise.

    • doctorseraphicus

      It’s the abuse of science which irks me: for instance, that crap about gluten. I studied Biochemistry and learned a few things about nutrition and metabolism. Whilst I’m happy to believe that knowledge has advanced, most of this is faddish guff. Basically, assuming you have no other medical complications, if you eat a mixture of food types, with plenty of fruit and veg, all in moderation, and take some exercise you’ll be just dandy. No obesity in my household and – crikey – we had toad-in-the-hole plus mashed spuds and peas and broccoli just the other day. Mmmmmmm.

      • HOT FROG

        Fads are all about $

    • Sid Phillips

      Absolutely right, “most people are mindless morons” – climate change deniers in particular. They’re led by ‘experts’ with no recognisable qualifications, except the uncanny ability to pick up random facts from obscure sources, and pass them off as research…

      You should add yourself to that group – the mindless morons I mean…

  • Terry Field

    As a share holder I approve of the hordes of cretinous sheep being corralled into demanding the latest praiseworthy pile of exploitative garbage!
    bring it on!
    Earnings yields rule OK!!!!

    • 1__1_1

      Hear hear.

  • Solage 1386

    Middle-class food fad loonies should stop eating food altogether so as to put the rest of us out of our misery.

    • post_x_it

      Why not just say: “Food fad loonies should stop eating food altogether so as to put the rest of us out of our misery”.
      Why this grotesque obsession with class?

      • eveh

        I know…let me….because poor people eat what puts in front of them. We can’t afford to obsess over food. As long as you use common sense you can eat it all. Just eat a variety of food, and don’t avoid something unless you are allergic or overweight. But like your grandmama tol ya….easy on bread, potatoes, pasta and fried food. Don’t listen to those skinny little rich girls….thay are always hungry!

        • Zaz Zaz

          “Unless you’re… overweight.” Look around. Those “poor” kids, (and plenty others), ARE overweight. A little more thought re food choices is a BAD thing? Please.

          • shelleyn411

            Overweight more because of sitting on their arses in front of the TV/computer too long or an over abundance of fast foods.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            If exercise cured fat all by itself, you wouldn’t see so many fat Crossfitters or skinny-fat joggers. Lack of exercise isn’t really the problem and anyway, if you eat right, you have more energy and you *want* to move.

          • obamaScares

            You’re right…lack of exercise is not the problem. The question is, “What is ‘eating right’?” Is it eating the right amount of calories; the right combination and ratio of protein, carbs and fats; can it be done without regard to the genetic profile of what you put in your mouth? Why should we trust biases industry-influenced nutritional and food safety studies when their main goal is maximizing profits not maximizing the health of the consumer?

          • eveh

            Of course not but obesity doesn’t just happen to poor kids you know. Variety is still the way to go.

          • Zaz Zaz

            Variety? Who decides what the variety actually is? How about actually making informed choices?

          • Josef Goebbels

            Whoever buys the groceries makes the “variety” decision. And it’s up to them to make the “informed choice”. Christ, dude, it’s not that difficult.

          • Zaz Zaz

            And yet, this article’s essentially against informed choices, treating it as cult behavior: “Don’t think too much about what you eat; it’s weird.”

          • Buck Wicker

            Exactly, I bet Monsanto bought this reporter a planned parenthood style lunch of baby parts and Lamborghini talk.

          • Kala

            Just keep kidding yourself along with Zaz Zaz.

          • Buck Wicker
          • Zaz Zaz

            Right, kidding myself. What exactly have I said to indicate that?: That we should put some thought into our food choices. Oh, yeah, that’s goofy, huh?

          • PNWman

            Gosh, those farmers who use Monsanto seeds must really be unenlightened and stupid, and no doubt losing money.

          • Buck Wicker
          • PNWman

            Read that article carefully. It does not say that Monsanto seeds are bad. It criticizes the use of large amounts of pesticides on an experimental farm.

          • Buck Wicker

            Because Monsanto is suing them out of their land if they use there own seed stocks you imply I call them unenlightened and stupid?. The farmers are the ones being victimized here. The chemicals they gave them sterilize the ground to natural food crops. You are a sick person. There is over ten documentaries with their pleas. Real scientists decry Monsanto and their efforts as potentially destroying the natural crops as it is common sense. They cross pollinate miles apart. Sterilizing fields that wanted nothing to do with this tripe.

          • Kala

            You are one of the true believers.

          • compguy83

            No. This article is absolutely pro-“informed” choices. The problem is that all these 20-somethings who suddenly think they have the qualifications to be nutritionists and biologists are not “informative”.

          • Zaz Zaz

            Nutritionists? Sheez, That’s about most ill-defined, suspiciously-educated, bough-&-paid-for bunch on Earth. You can find any opinion you want if you ask enough nutritionists. Anyone who takes their health seriously can, on their own, learn more about what to eat than modt MDs, nutritionists, or biologists know. One site alone, seriously read/listened to, will do it: “nutriiionfacts.org”.

          • Buck Wicker

            You argument became invalid when mandatory labeling went out the window.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            You can’t make that informed choice when you’re short on information because your nation’s premier union of dietary advisors are funded by junk-food companies.

          • obamaScares

            It is difficult to make truly informed decisions when Big Agriculture and the food industry are doing everything in their power to keep the truth from getting out. They are investing significant resources in buying off the regulators and maximizing their profits at the expense of consumers’ safety and their long-term health. The medical industry and Big Pharma is not complaining or intervening because they make more profit from a sick population, not one that is well.

          • 1NonPermissive

            It’s the lack of exercise.

          • Defiant

            No…it’s just the inescapable snobbery that’s attached to the movement.

          • Kala

            Yes it’s only for the rich.

          • kane1970

            The “clean eating” obsession goes far and beyond making “good choices.” Give me a break.

        • fcabanski

          Correction: “….because poor people eat what puts in front of them by the people who work to pay for that food.”

          • Magic_Elf

            This comment makes no sense.

          • Bejezus

            Hmmmmmm. Then you must be either one of the welfare class or the liberal elite who vote to enslave them with food and free phones purchased with other people’s money.

          • Magic_Elf

            Wtf? Seriously? What sort of blog have I stumbled on?

            I must be a liberal elite or a welfare class?

            What are you? Other than a cretin?

          • SoWellSoRight

            Like most Americans? Like 52% to 48% in last presidential election and now the Republicans have both the house and the senate as well as the majority of Governorships and mayorships. Critical thinking not your strong point. Need to get out of your bubble and have a Twinkie for god sake.

          • Goldmonger

            Less than half of eligible Americans vote at all.

          • Serah

            That is why we have a president whose past is sealed and the stupid Americans votes for him anyway, The democrats ruined this once great country.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            There’s nothing sealed about Obama’s past but while we’re talking about not thinking, you don’t actually have to be born on American soil to run for or serve as President. The phrasing in the Constitution is “natural-born”. The United States Code spells out what that means; because of Obama’s MOTHER being American and having met the residency requirements, Obama could have been born in Osama bin Laden’s backyard and he would still qualify to be President now. And let’s see: John McCain wasn’t born on American soil, and NONE of you objected to him running.

            Enough of that crap already. You are wrong, so just sit in your wrongness and be wrong. And for the record I only voted for Obama once. The first time he ran I voted Green.

          • PNWman

            Obama’s college grades are sealed. Obviously he is not proud of them.

          • obamaScares

            Poor grades in college can not get you thrown out of office but having a record that shows you were not an American citizen or a record that shows you hadn’t finished your degree at the schools you say you attending could be devastating.

          • obamaScares

            If Obama and the Dems are such great supporters of the “little guy,” why have they been leading the charge in protecting Monsanto and been signing legislation to stop the labeling of GMOs? With Michelle being the lead spokesperson for safe and healthy eating, why is she not weighing-in on and becoming a champion of how GM produce is unsafe to eat.

            Unfortunately, like Bush, Obama is part of the system that wants us all dead (ie. slow kill). Read the NWO’s desire to exterminate 12 of 13 people currently alive on this planet in the Georgia Guidestones.

            http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-georgia-guidestones/

          • PNWman

            The US will survive the narcissistic and arrogant Obama, if only the sleazy Hillary fails to waddle her way to the White House.

          • PNWman

            And that’s a good thing. Stupid people do us a favor by not voting.

          • sbut01

            That’s 52 and 48% of the people who voted, which was only about half. so really about 25% total voted democrat

          • Magic_Elf

            Yeah 52% to 48% or in other words ‘most’.

            As for the non-presidential elections I doubt the turnout was more than 35%.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            No honey, we have a GOP majority because most Americans don’t think. I used to live in the South where Republicans and conservative “blue dog” Democrats are always in power and it’s the poorest region in the country. Every crappy school system I attended as a child (I was a Navy brat) was run by a conservative school board. Every time you conservatives get your hands on the wheel you drive us right off the nearest cliff and then you blame the liberals who weren’t even in the d?!n car. Unfortunately for you, some of us are paying attention.

          • PNWman

            That is a typical liberal meme. Anyone who disagrees with liberals is not only stupid and uninformed, but nasty and evil.
            Liberals are uniformly intolerant of dissent.

          • kane1970

            Meanwhile, the liberals are telling our kids it’s not only acceptable to have sex at any age and for any reason, they should do it freely. After all, Planned Parenthood and Plan B will take care of everything!

          • flyboy

            Everything you said is CLASSIC tactics of you liberal regressives. You people blame DEMOCRAT run city meltdowns like Detroit and Baltimore on Repubs when Repubs hadn’t run those cities in DECADES.

            I’m even reading you liberals trying to blame the current market decline on freaking REAGANOMICS! After YEARS of PROVEN failure of QE artificial economy pumping by your hero Obama!

            You people even tried to blame the real estate bubble on Repubs when it was freaking REPUBLICANS who warned Barney Frank about Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac meltdown (he said they “are not in any financial difficulty”). The GALL of you liberals!!!!!!!!

          • Heather Gray

            And all the Republicans do is sit on their asses.

          • diggferkel

            “What sort of blog have I stumbled on?”

            Typical liberal reaction when stumbling upon reason and logic that doesn’t confirm their silly human emotions and daily brainwashing.

          • wabansia

            You didn’t ‘stumble’ onto this blog. You came here deliberately, and you are a liberal TROLL. IGNORE THE TROLL. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. TROLLS HATE TO BE IGNORED.

          • HOT FROG

            Starve the Trolls!

          • HarryBawlz

            I was going to defend you until you proudly admitted to voting democrat. Your lack of shame is very off putting.

          • TroyGale

            No, fools like you are viewed as elites because you vote for a party which thinks it knows best what freedoms and lifestyles we need.
            Note, that is a Dem, always telling other folks their shortcomings, and then raising their taxes.

          • wabansia

            You may not be aware of this, but many Americans do not vote for Democrats. 47% of them voted Republican in 2012. I know facts mean nothing to liberals, but try to absorb those simple facts. It could help to cushion the tremendous shock you have coming in 2016.

          • Jackov

            Most Americans are overweight & need meds.

          • PNWman

            The incidence of obesity is highest among blacks and Hispanics, who vote Democratl.

          • Political Hostage

            Democrats are fools.

          • Jack_Kennedy

            democroooks for a reason………..

          • sbut01

            If you are not liberal elite and you vote democrat, you vote to remove your opportunity to better your life. Congrats.

          • drunkbobby

            But….bettering your life takes work, why do that when you can eat steak, drink 40s and get all the you want without getting off the couch? I don’t remember who said it, but I loved a comment along the lines of “There are two leisure classes in the United States, the very rich and the poor.”.

          • shelleyn411

            Actually you are more than correct. The classes at the bottom and the top of society have more in common with each other than just leisure. The morals, goals etc are very similar to each other. It is the middle class that stands out as the “working class”.

          • drunkbobby

            I hadn’t thought about morals, but you are right, the first generation works their way to being rich. The ones that come after may have different tastes, but they seem to have the same values as found in the hood.

          • CheeseFromHell

            I don’t look at them as elite. I look at them as duped. Or intellectually challenged.

          • Clifton

            No, no, liberalism is an ideology. Lets not confuse party names for an ideology. Especially when today’s parties seem to want the same thing.

            Besides, the problem some people have is that having voted for the same miscreants, who have caused the problems in the first place, you essentially become part of the problem.

            Case in point: NY or any liberal city in the US. How a city’s people literally do nothing but whip out their stupid phones and film someone getting stabbed to death (here, referencing the McDonalds murder) is indicative of the gross ideological lobotomy of our people into treating other lives as having only utilitarian values.

            But at least they feel for people, no? They have “good intentions”, and that’s supposed to absolve all criticism. It doesn’t.

            #Evolution, #liberals.

          • Pat, Widow of an Air Force Vet

            We need to turn back to God. That simple.

          • Buck Wicker

            Then avoid GMOs. God would not want you to make corn produce pesticides and pretend that it won’t cross pollinate and ruin the rest of our corn. Pro GMOs people are blatantly anti god people, there is no in between. Period. MONSANTO will drive you all into hell.

          • PNWman

            Pro GMO people are known as SCIENTISTS.

          • Pat, Widow of an Air Force Vet

            I do not presume to know what God would want anyone to do. God already knows the plan.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            You have no idea who’s turned to God and who hasn’t but judging some of you by your fruits I would say that hasn’t helped you at all. You’re even bigger d?!ks than any unbeliever I’ve met and that includes the smarmy online atheists who make fun of all religious people.

          • Pat, Widow of an Air Force Vet

            Wow! Why so much hate?

          • shelleyn411

            Do not think Ferguson is a large, liberal city.

          • Kala

            Been run by aLL liberals for a long time.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            NYC is so liberal they routinely harass and oppress black people. Oh and of course conservatism is not an ideology, you imply here. You’re right. It’s not an ideology. It’s a mental illness.

          • Clifton

            I guess. But then, you should have the biggest heart and empathy for those people who are having a mental illness…

            Oh, wait, you don’t. Liar.

            But you know what? Even though you refuse to honor God or give thanks, we both know you resist Him in your unrighteousness and have knowledge of it (why its called a conscience… “with-knowledge”) and therefore will still be judged accordingly.

            At least give me something tangible, instead of resorting to the bigoted, hateful name-calling you spew out towards those you disagree with.

          • Bejezus

            “Voted Democrat like most Americans” Well, if you included the dead, the incarcerated, and the illegals who show up on Dem rolls, you may have a point there.

          • Jack_Kennedy

            magic knows that prezziebozo had the voting machines fixed to make all the votes show democrook ………… bozo’s IRS/doj saw to it……….

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            The Diebold voting machines made by a Republican’t-controlled company? Those voting machines?

          • obamaScares

            Nope. It’s not who makes the voting machines…it’s about who controls the operation of the voting machines that is crucial. The machines are maintained and controlled by the staunchly-Democrat Union bosses. There has never been a case where the electronic voting machines changed a single Democrat vote to one that is cast for a Republican but there has been thousands of complaints of Republican votes being changed to the Democrat candidate.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            Not every state bans the incarcerated from voting, every state has a problem with dead voters on the rolls because they don’t have a national notification system (supposedly they are working on it–and this is EVERY state including GOP-run ones), and if you personally know of an illegal immigrant on the voter rolls, report it to the Feds. And I bet you’ve not one word to say about the actual election fraud engineered by Republicans gerrymandering at state and local level.

          • Bejezus

            Not a word.

          • PNWman

            You are correct of course. Ever wonder why Democrats oppose Voter ID? Too many of their voters would be ineligible to vote.

          • Bejezus

            I was poking fun at your inability to process the information presented in the cheeky comment to which you so inadequately responded. Your response, further demonstrating your inability to reason was priceless. No one here believes you went to Harvard. You’re safe there. You do have a valid point with your last sentence. Might I suggest you become Libertarian instead of Liberal? They will let you smoke all the weed you want.

          • NotImpressedbyTripe

            “Most Americans” did not vote Democrat.

          • drunkbobby

            Wow, I was on your side here until you admitted that you voted for the democrats…I’ve spent large parts of my life eating beans and ramen based meals on my own dime and I’ve never taken any assistance, (Unless you count Uncle Sugar feeding me that fine Army food) so I thought I knew where you were coming from. Then you had to broadcast that you are part of the problem.

            Also, most people didn’t vote for the democrats, people who didn’t vote combined with what the GOP picked up was a huge majority, and before you accuse me of being a Republican shill, I hate those guys more than the democrats. At least the democrats don’t lie to anyone who pays attention, you know they are going to give the country the shaft. On the other hand the eGOP pretends to be conservative during elections after which it’s knife in the back time.

          • shelleyn411

            No, most Americans did not vote Democrat. If you add those who did not vote with the “other voters” you come up with a majority. BTW Barry and his women are the biggest elitists around. Completely out of touch with the American people.

          • My 2 Cents

            The Democrat of today is NOT my Father’s Democrat or my Mother”s. I am a Conservative, we do need to take care of the poor, not the “gamers” of our system.

          • Kala

            Yes it is elitism and snobbery. Let people make their own choices.

          • PNWman

            Yes, there definitely is a liberal elite who want to tell the rest of use what to do, for our own good of course. They populate the Obama administration.

          • obamaScares

            The Democrat voters are not elite, only deceived, wanting someone to take care of them and are supporters of a soon coming Marxist system that will force you to give up personal liberty for the “common good.” The Republicans are no better as all politicians are bought and paid for.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            Sweetheart, when you’ve spent day in and day out being hungry and homeless, getting food and shelter feels NOTHING like slavery.

            You aren’t any more free than they are in any case. What would happen to you if you had no money? You’d die. It’s not the government doing this to you, it’s not employers doing this to you, and it’s not liberals doing this to you, it’s the whole system of money and private property. But why bother with political analysis when you can just spout off.

          • Bejezus

            I’ve been poor, and I’ve been rich. I spent two months once, eating nothing but fish netted from the ocean and scratch made pancakes. But the difference between me and you, baby, is that I didn’t use welfare to try and climb back out. I was wealthy, then poor again. Then ok! Rich is easier. Poor is doable. You’re just having problems being poor AND stupid enough to vote lib, which will keep you in poverty forever. If you aren’t smart enough to figure that out, then you deserve your servitude. Hope your kids enjoy their free lunch program while mine go to college….

            The best thing the government could do is be smaller and not license the Fed to print money. Ask Venezuela how price controls and socialized food and fuel is treating the poor there.

          • Smorf

            Indeed.

            The “benefit” moocher gets steak and lobster,

            While the working man can only afford beans and potatoes after taxes…

          • Magic_Elf

            Oh it was a political point about people on welfare.
            When I think of the poor I tend to think of the working poor because that’s what I have spent most of my time being. I do love beans though so I’ve that going for me.

          • TAG

            it’s all relative… but more “real” down with the working poor. IMHO.

          • Goldmonger

            The poor buy prepared junk food with their assistance cards since they are too lazy to cook good food. Too lazy to work.

          • rational2012

            Some are too tired to cook much, after working two or three jobs, and don’t earn enough to buy a lot of nutritious food. White bread is cheap. Sugar calories are cheap. Veggies and fruit and dairy, not so cheap.

          • AnnJo

            Ridiculous. You can buy a 50 lb bag of whole wheat flour for under $15 at your local restaurant supply store. At roughly 1 lb of flour per loaf and a trivial cost of yeast & salt, you can bake a highly nutritious loaf for about 35 cents. A 25 lb bag of oats will run you under $8 and with a cup of milk, provide a healthy breakfast at under 20 cents per serving. Pick up a 5 lb bag of carrots for under $4 and tell me veggies are more expensive than “sugar” in the form of soda, candy, and sweetened breakfast cereals. Some poor people spend more money on bad food because they don’t plan well and don’t learn to cook. Other poor people plan well, shop carefully and learn to cook, but they don’t stay poor for very long, so you don’t notice them.

          • Buck Wicker

            That sounds great until my daughter eats it and rashes beyond recognition and cramps up. Celiac is a disease not a fad. Misinformed people are digging their own graves on this issue. Like this reporters credibility which is clearly in question now. THERE is a war on your mind. They are clearly winning if reporters can spew lies and you idiots swallow it up and jump on Monsanto band wagon. You all literally just fell of the turnip truck.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Indeed, I know one lady with coeliac disease, it isn’t nice. This is one which isn’t a fad.

          • PNWman

            Simple: if you have celiac disease, you have to avoid gluten.
            People with that disease are a very small part of any population.

          • blackjackbouvier

            It is not that simple in reality – it is more than avoiding it. You have make sure you do not ingest even a crumb – cross-contamination is a big fear. BTW, it is not a small part of the population anymore, especially in the States. Just woefully under-diagnosed. I wasn’t diagnosed until my mid-forties.

          • PNWman

            It’s not a small part of the population, woefully under-diagnosed you say? If you can suggest an article demonstrating this, written by some respected organization and not by some crank with an agenda, I promise to read it.

          • Buck Wicker

            So Monsanto writes it and your all ears, never would they be cranks with an agenda, like making money. But someone goes thru it first hand and witnesses their kid on the brink of death from this shit, wants to warn others, And it’s agenda based bullcrap to you. Celiac is real, gluten has never been good for anyone(one needs to just look around to know that bread sucks.) And there is an agenda to thin the population, just Google “Georgia guide stones”

          • Marionetta

            Monsanto did nothing wrong.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            Monsanto does lots wrong. Pay attention.

          • PNWman

            Only crazed people believe that. Farmers don’t believe it. They buy and use Monsanto seeds.

          • obamaScares

            Only problem is that the small family farm that wants to do the right thing by avoiding the Big Ag trap are being forced out of business by Monsanto lawyers who are aggressively suing adjoining farms whose heirloom seeds are being corrupted by wind driven invasion from Monsanto’s deadly genetically modified and heavily sprayed seeds.

          • PNWman

            I would like to know more about this, from an article that is written by someone who is reporting and does not have an act to grind. If you know of one, I’ll read it.

          • Buck Wicker

            So unless it from MONSANTO approved media you won’t even listen, so scientific minded of you!!
            Google search any documentary with video testament of these farmers if you have reason….. Or Balls.

          • Buck Wicker

            But nerdy know nothings oppinionated articles you hold to your heart. I watched two of such documentaries in biology class at my college. The science is not in on GMOs as proclaimed. But don’t let that get in the way of your profits. I challenge you to show me any Monsanto study that is comprehensive as a scientific study, not a two months contrive.

          • Heather Gray

            Not all farmers.

          • Buck Wicker

            Only because they are forced to. There is literally a dozen documentaries about it with interviews letters from Monsanto and lawyers. You are so ignorant as to fall for their literally creating genocide, if not on us then on natural corn genes. You big USEFUL IDIOT.

          • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

            Uggh, because they enforce a near monopoly…. Wake up.

          • Buck Wicker

            MONSANTO are criminals all of them, and we will bring them to justice.
            No matter what our personal costs. If they continue with paid crony judges and political hacks then naturally we will call for the Deaths of the genocidal pseudoscientists. It is not murder to defend you family.

          • PNWman

            You are obviously nuts.

          • Buck Wicker

            MONSANTO does nothing right. I bet you think what planned parenthood is doing is awesome too huh?, you are all modern day Nazis trying to destroy humanity. MONSANTO and PP supporters are all sick racist hacks.

          • Buck Wicker

            http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/23/hawaii-birth-defects-pesticides-gmo
            You wouldn’t say that if your kids organs were born outside their bodies.

          • Heather Gray

            Hahahahhahahahaha! Wow, you’re funny. And wrong.

          • Buck Wicker
          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            And they’re lying about celiac being the only health problem people have with gluten, and furthermore their assertion that “you don’t need to avoid gluten unless you have a celiac diagnosis” is ridiculous. “Diagnosis” is not Latin for “the doctor gave me a disease”. You have it whether they diagnose you or not. If someone happens to notice they feel better off wheat but they don’t have the time or funds (the latter here in the USA, where even Obamacare hasn’t solved all our medical expense problems), they’re better off continuing to avoid the wheat. I find myself in that situation, even though I have insurance, because I don’t want my doctor making me take the test that calls for gluten consumption X number of days beforehand–I LIKE not having migraines anymore. And I can’t even get her to do a full thyroid panel so why am I going to ask her about this? I suppose we could argue it’d benefit me to have the diagnosis in my records, and that’s probably right, but I am mistrustful of the entire process.

          • Buck Wicker

            As you should be, doctors are not healers anymore, they are hardly even good consultants. I’ve met heroin dealers who sell less poisons and have more compassionate hearts than what they released from med schools in the USA.

          • Buck Wicker

            And for good reason. It’s never been about helping people, but just about hurting us to need to take more profitable pills. Like I said, doctors refused to do the test for my daughter until we bribed them with cash, success, diagnosis. (Medicaid) didn’t approve tests.

          • http://www.nukingpolitics.com Keln

            Celiac disease is one thing. Avoiding gluten because you think it will somehow make you healthier when you don’t even have celiac disease is a fad and not based on science. Avoiding GMO crops because somehow genetic modification makes you unhealthy is again a fad and not based on science.

            GMO itself has been studied to death by so many independent as well as government researchers, that there is little question it is not only safe, but in many cases safer than traditional crops due to less pesticides used on them. The only difference between GMO and the traditional method of hybridization of crops is that GMO has more control over the process and avoids transferring traits you don’t want into the new cultivar. Other than that, there is no real difference.

          • Buck Wicker

            “it is not only safe, but in many cases safer than traditional crops due to less pesticides used on them.” Completely false information, they must pay you well to spread their lies. Germany just banned GMOs today, thousands of cases of babies being born with organs outside their bodies near these fields, specifically because they spray up to 18x’s as much pesticides as normal crops, per the government of Hawaii.

          • PNWman

            The assertion that anyone who disagrees is being paid to spread lies is typical of fanatical food cranks.

          • Buck Wicker

            Monsanto budgets $254 million a year on public relations, I’m sure you know how many trolls that buys.

          • PNWman

            Now Buck Wicker provides a good example of what I just said.
            He can not imagine anyone who disagrees with him for any reason other than being paid for it. Needs therapy.

          • Buck Wicker

            Your the rat on a sinking ship. Everything you have said is a proven lie. That’s what cowards do when they’re on the run. Just read the headlines yesterday, “Monsanto loses chemical poisoning lawsuit in France”. I bet we can find the proof of your trollery for Monsanto in your emails like Clinton.

          • PNWman

            You are correct. These fads have no scientific basis.

          • AnnJo

            Yes, celiac is a disease. Some people have it. Maybe your daughter does. A whole lot more people THINK they have it, because it’s all the rage now to blame gluten for problems that probably arise from the misuse of OTC meds, lack of sleep, overdoses of caffeine, colas, sugar, and other stuff, etc.
            Before I fell off the turnip truck, I tested out with an IQ of 153 (tested in Spanish), completed college at a top-tier university back when you actually had to learn real material like biology, chemistry, logic, and statistics, went on to a professional degree, and read voraciously for another 40 years. So I’m devastated at your judgment that I’m an idiot, and will re-evaluate my whole life. Or not.

          • Buck Wicker

            All that pseudoscience education and you still cannot figure a common sense scenario that is currently happening. Monsanto is a lying bunch of fake scientists, they manipulated our food to kill us off. Not to feed the starving kids, if that’s the case send free seed to Africa, no instead they are making farmers dependants on buying the seed, cannot grow the seed themselves. Broke farmers trying to grow non GMOs are sued out of their properties. And out of no where comes these weird food allergies, more than 70% kids have them but no worries Monsanto made sure it was safe to eat as they oversaw their own trials of the poisoning. Don’t stop eating our poison please, I need another beach house in Bermuda.

          • Dominic Stockford

            I can’t, they refuse to take dollars in the shops round here.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            Wheat is junk.

            Oats are junk.

            Carrots don’t have enough calories.

            I was poor enough to need a little help with food benefits and I tried getting the “healthy” stuff as you outline and all I did was get fatter and sicker. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Poor people could stop eating candy tomorrow and the grain they eat would still keep them fat. You can take that to the bank.

          • PNWman

            Gosh, I eat both wheat and grain every day and am not over-weight. And once in a while I have – horrors – a slice of pie.

          • Heather Gray

            Lucky you. That was true for me when I was in my 20s, but by my 40s, not so much. And yes, of course I exercise – practice kung fu, in fact. Being gluten-free means I don’t have to take ibuprofen to reduce inflammation in my muscles _every day_. I’ll take the inconvenience of being GF over having to take anti-inflammatories, thanks.

          • PNWman

            I’m over 80 myself and enjoy gluten-containing foods every day.
            If you are personally sensitive to gluten, then by all means avoid it. My objection is to the assertion that gluten is simply bad for everyone.

          • obamaScares

            Surprisingly, the green leafy carrot “tops” that are typically thrown away have more nutrients than the carrots themselves.

            As far as the oats and wheat (and of course corn) being junk, I believe at one point years ago, before the genetic tampering began, they were probably OK

          • AnnJo

            I could take it to the bank but it would bounce.
            I am rich enough not to need “help with food benefits” but buy these items with my own money. I DON’T get fatter and sicker. You can’t get fat on whole grains unless you eat way too much of them and/or slather them with fats or sugars.
            The bread I make has between 100-200 calories a slice, depending on how thick I cut it. It tastes so good I don’t need to load it with butter or jam. No way anyone (except a true celiac or a true hypochondriac) gets fat or sick on that.

          • PNWman

            Don’t you know that people are AFRAID of whole wheat flour because it has GLUCOSE?

          • AnnJo

            Yes, I do know that. And about 1% of the population should be. As for all the rest, well, you can’t cure stupid.

          • PNWman

            There have been excellent articles in the New Yorker, in New York Magazine, and in Consumer Reports, debunking the anti-gluten craze, but people seem to focus on the celebrities, athletes, movie stars who attribute their good health to the avoidance of gluten.

          • kane1970

            People like you are the problem. Your comment is so snotty and elitist, I barely know where to start. Yes, poor people ALL have the time in the world to cook from scratch, as well as access to a nicely-stocked restaurant supply store. Ever heard of a food desert? I’m sure people who live in Appalachia or Watts or Cabrini Green are just WAITING for you to impart your wisdom upon them. And of course, people who are working two or more jobs and caring for one or more children OBVIOUSLY have the time to go out and make everything from scratch. And let’s talk about the cost of food – since anything not organic and/or raw and/or gluten-free is now considered evil by food snobs like yourself. Have you been inside a grocery store lately? Organic raspberries by the pint are double or triple what non-organic are. Good God, the stupidity is just mind-blowing.

          • Susan Hesson Andersen

            Thank you. The ugliness of these elitist commenters is very sad.

          • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

            I love how Brits are so into class “consciousness”….sad, really. It holds you back from understanding the facts of a situation. so quickly reactionary….

          • Reluctant Mlungu

            What was elitist or snotty about her comment? Where did she support the ridiculous ‘organic’ or ‘green’ choices?
            And yes, ‘poor people’ have been ‘cooking from scratch’ since the beginning of human history – why can’t your favourite victim groups? Hey, maybe the Gubmint should cook for them – SURELY it’s a human right! End oppression now!

          • Chris Cooling

            ‘Food deserts’ are largely horse manure and can be easily debunked. Rural Appalachia may be one thing, but Watts, Chicago, West Harlem? Please. There are grocery stores stocked with fresh produce.
            Now you may be right about finding the items in bulk she mentions, but 5lb bags of flour and large containers of oatmeal are found at any grocer. But AnnJo is right that people make poor shopping choices when buying food. This has been found whenever it is studied. People STILL choose Ramen, chips, soda, and instant mac-n-cheese. They don’t plan well, shop carefully, and I submit in many instances are too lazy or were never taught to cook. Kids do not know how to boil water on the stove.
            AnnJo said nothing about having to buy organic, raw, or gluten-free foods. This is called a strawman argument.
            You’re right, the stupidity IS mind-blowing.

            http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132076786/the-root-the-myth-of-the-food-desert

          • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

            Well said! :-)

          • AnnJo

            “Food snob”? Not me. I said nothing about these items being organic. I wouldn’t spend an extra penny for the organic label on anything; you were so quick to hate me because I point out a reality of poverty – that it is often the result of laziness and/or poor choices and/or lack of skills – that you read things into my “snotty, elitist” comment that weren’t there.
            It takes less than 10 minutes of actual work time to bake a loaf of “No Knead” Bread, less than 2 minutes of actual work to cook an oatmeal breakfast (if, like me, you make up packets in advance in batches of 20 or so), and maybe 15 minutes of actual work time to cook a huge batch of delicious Curried Coconut Carrot Soup, enough to freeze several meals’ worth.

            A poor person who doesn’t want to stay that way would be well advised to pick up wisdom from anyone inclined to impart it, even if it comes with a dose of “elitism”. That’s how generations of poor immigrants did it, but today there are so many idiots like you “helping” poor people feel resentful and entitled rather than anxious to learn and eager to work, that I’m sure you’re right there are not that many people in Appalachia, Cabrini or Watts who care to learn how to escape poverty and feel good about themselves in the process. Pat yourself on the back.

          • Agent 99

            Well said, AnnJo!

          • Derrick

            Cabrini Green? What? It has been gone for years. Food desert? Maybe if these people would stop burning the businesses that want to cater to them there would be no food desert? You mentioned Cabrini Green-communist city of Chicago fights every time Walmart wants to open a store inside the city limits. Get your head out of your ass. In Chicago you can buy fruit and veggies from a Hispanic street vendor, often for less than in the store. I have done it several times when driving by. So convenient. Maybe you should stop coming up with excuses and make shit happen? It seems to me that’s what poor people do-always try to find an excuse and/or blame someone else for the for where they are in life. Just do it you whiny little b-tches!

          • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

            Dear, think before writing….or reacting. YOu are right about prices for raspberries, but that is a luxury item…. what she outlines might be class biased; but the solution is sound….eat basic food items, you will be healthier, feel great, and save tons of money. Most prepared foods and fast foods are just plain toxic….going to basic foodstuffs, and assuring that what you feed your family is safe and nutritious is just smart right now….until the food supply is cleaned up. They will do it, when people stop blindly buying their crap (raspberries included 😉 Its not hard to cook for scratch….in fact, its fun and not as time consuming as you might think. Try it….even if she is a snipe, that part is good 😉

          • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

            I agree. Not with the semi-slap of “poor = stupid”, but the strategy of buying, cooking, and eating…..for everyone. That is a perfect plan you outline, and I have lived for years now. Its time to take away the power from the food Corps that are slowly killing people with prepared and ‘fast’ foods. If poor folks are guilty of anything, its trying to “keep up appearances” by eating fast foods that the real idiots are eating….and should know better. The system is biased towards victimizing less aware people; but better educated, privileged folks, have zero excuses.

          • Lemsip

            Oh rubbish. The people who eat the most ready meals are the ones working full time. And they eat crisps and chocolate all day to keep up their strength as that’s what’s only available in the vending machines in offices.

          • PNWman

            They might try making a sandwich and taking it to work. I did it for years.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            No, you’re too lazy to actually ask a poor person what their life is like instead of listening to politicians and pundits, none of whom have ever been poor a day in their lives.

          • Goldmonger

            You make very ignorant assumptions with that post. Liberalism really is an ideology of ignorance so I understand why you do it.Let me help you understand.

            I grew up dirt poor in a single parent family. My mother refused to take government assistance. She not only showed us, but taught us how to work your way out of poverty. She bought a lot of beans and potatoes, cheap cuts of meat, milk and cheese. We ate green vegetables from our small home garden when we could. We cooked meals for half the cost of prepackaged junk. We learned to work two and three jobs and how to save money.

            It is hard work and a labor of love to pull your self up and out of poverty. In America people do it everyday. It is bleeding heart, ignorant government loving fools such as yourself who encourage reliance on government that are destroying the citizenry of these united states.

            Liberalism exists so stupid people can feel like they are doing something smart. Get a clue.

          • Heather Gray

            Actually, many are working but still too poor to get good food or don’t have time to cook from scratch because of the long hours they work. Why do you assume all poor people are unemployed? Many are working long long hours for not enough pay – high rents and/or high transportation costs (many low-paying jobs are in high-rent areas).

          • Susan Hesson Andersen

            Dear god. You people are very sad. Maybe “the poor” have to stretch their benefits and buy cheaper prepared foods because fresh food is more expensive. The question we should be asking is why is a Big Mac so cheap and fresh milk and veg so expensive.

          • Goldmonger

            A big Mac is 3.99. I just bought a qt of milk for 1.69. Also tomatoes for .99 a lb and a head of iceberg lettuce for 1.29. The question is …. which is easier, a Big Mac or a salad?

            Lazy.

          • sbut01

            But when dinner’s over, the working man still has his dignity.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            Poor people would have more dignity if other people would stop s?!tting on them.

          • Goldmonger

            Exactly right.

          • concretetundra

            You’re kidding right? You’ve been listening to too many old Ronald Reagan speeches.

          • Jack_Kennedy

            as YOU prove Gruber’s point ………again

          • shelleyn411

            No. If the working man stopped indulging his kids with $300 sneakers and $800 smartphones (with unlimited plans) and indulging himself with like “stuff” he would be able to afford the steak and lobster AND a nice retirement.

          • 1NonPermissive

            You tell people what to eat and what to buy, what a giant ego you have.

          • DJ Yates

            Yeah… because buying consumer goods you don’t need is such a great strategy for financial and family health, right?

            She’s not saying “must” or even “should” she IS saying “good food is too expensive” is a straw man argument, for someone that spends a ton on crap they don’t need inthe way of consumer goods.

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            I notice you had nothing to say to the idiots upthread telling benefits recipients what to buy. Why is that? Oh right, the poor aren’t actually people. I forgot.

          • blackjackbouvier

            You watch Fox News, right?

          • Magic_Elf

            I live in Africa and even in the shanty towns people have smart phones, Adidas trainers and big screen tv’s. Being able to afford relatively cheap consumer items does not mean you can not budget or you are not suffering from real poverty. 1 pair of expensive sneakers is about $100. Even if you buy a new pair every 3 months (which most poor people don’t) that is still only $400 a year. How is someone going to retire and buy steak and lobster on $400 a year? Also perhaps they bought these consumables before they lost their job and became poor.

          • Goldmonger

            Come on. You can’t go to a riot with $20 sneakers!

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            Stop paying for a TV license then. Why do you need to watch TV? You should be going back to school or vocational training to get a better job.

            See, I can play this game too.

          • Heather Gray

            Quite wrong.

          • Josef Goebbels

            Look up “EBT”

          • fcabanski

            Sure it makes sense. The glorious poor often eat the food working people buy via welfare programs.

          • Bear Looper

            I don’t understand your post. Could you please clarify it ? Thank you.

          • concretetundra

            In other words, you’re bragging about being one of those “hard workin’ Americans” that we’ve read so much about. We are all very impressed.

          • Jack_Kennedy

            as YOU have no clue about the working part ………. WE get it

          • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

            Except taxpayers aren’t the ones doing the shopping for poor people. You just throw money at them. Do you also get to tell Parliament what they can eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Because you pay their salaries too.

          • fcabanski

            Here’s an idea. Let them pay for their own food.

          • Susan Hesson Andersen

            That’s a pretty bitchy assumption that all people who are “poor” are on some type of assistance. And besides, God loves a cheerful giver. You don’t seem very cheerful to me.

        • marque2

          Poor people eat what the government gives them. 2lb block of cheese please.

          • eveh

            I don’t know about your world but in mine, poor people work for a living. And a damn straight harder than some rich people. Not all poor people are on welfare.

          • Political Hostage

            .. because rich people have a shiny red button that makes them rich right?

          • Magic_Elf

            Now you’re getting it. It’s called ‘their inheritance’.

          • Buck Wicker

            All these chest thumpers brag about how hard they work, but neglect to tell us they only work hard at keeping the rest of our wages so low we have no choice but to take assistance. I’ll bet most on this board that bash the poor have layed off working father’s to hire illegal immigrants, that they can also complain about.

          • Political Hostage

            Oh please. You can buy whatever you want with an EBT card, including alcohol. And they can also just take cash out of the ATM.

          • marque2

            EBT isnt the only food progrsm, they also have programs like WIC where they let you get specific things like a 2lb block of cheese every month, and 2 and 1/4 gallons of milk.

          • Two Sheds

            EBT cards cannot be used for cash unless the person who is using it also qualifies for cash benefits. Not everyone who gets food stamps gets cash benefits.

          • Buck Wicker

            False information prove one case or state where you can buy alcohol with an ebt, you complete liar!!!. You cannot even buy diapers with it you troll hack.

          • Lemsip

            And are also the ones subjected to the propaganda on those community nutrition courses which tell them to consume more dairy and carbs and cut down on fats and proteins. Some fish oils are allowed though. I had to be off dairy completely at one time because of hay fever and chest infections every time I had a cold.

        • wibbys1

          I mentioned to a Thai monk once the western obsession with what they think is wonderfully healthy Thai food. He was furious! He said only westerners can be choosey about their food. In Thailand where he was a Buddhist monk, he said they ate what they could get their hands on!

          • Zaz Zaz

            Monks can be as stupid as anyone else. Thailand’s abundant with unique delicious fruits and vegetables, avialable easily and inexpensively.

        • The_MaD_HaCkER

          Actually “The Poor” are more likely to eat “grab n’ go” food then the more well off. When you are trying to make a living you don’t have time to obsess over what you are eating, globe warming, the latest endangered feces or every other problem in the world. You have to have loads of leisure time to campaign to “Save the Snails!” Or other such rot. So if you eat healthy, get plenty of exercise and don’t smoke or drink… Your going to die anyway. 😉

          • Political Hostage

            Well off people become so through hard work and making the right choices.

          • Two Sheds

            That is a broad generalization, and as such it does not necessarily hold true in all cases. Trust fund babies, sons and daughters of the wealthy, and other ‘well off’ people have been known to be notoriously lazy and to make very poor choices. I will agree, however, that ‘hard work and making the right choices’ are important values. And I am attempting to model and these in my children.

          • Lemsip

            Mostly through connections and luck with some hard work. Most people who work hard though work hard to make other people rich.

          • Buck Wicker

            Complete lie, in America if you don’t know the right people you will not get the job, no matter how hard you work or are qualified. The incompetent businesses and government agencies is proof of this FACT.

          • Buck Wicker

            So coal miners that work 70 hour weeks until they die are rich and the “hard working” CEO gets the shaft for his hard work sitting in his beach house.

          • Lemsip

            The poor working people are as they have less time and money than rich working people. Benefit claimants are money poor and time rich so could make a meal from scratch with cheap ingredients as they have the time.

        • subo

          Greek physician Hippocrates in 460 BC taught others to respect foods healing forces. “Let food be your medicine and let medicine be your food” was his motto. Some people are not affected by foods but many are affected by certain types of autoimmunity and food does factor into healing. The Specific Carbohydrate Diet was recently trialed by a university and was found to provide healing…other than that there are virtually no scientifically proven diets for lack of funding. Universities would rather trial drugs…there’s more money in it.

          • eveh

            Our grandparents certainly knew about using food for healing. Chicken soup for colds, cranberries for the kidneys, rice for an upset stomach and an apple a day were still practiced by my family when I was growing up.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            The study you mention was very flimsy. The researchers advertised for Inflammatory Bowel Disease patients who were already in remission (!), and some of them were also taking antiinflammatory drugs alongside the diet. There were only 50 patients altogether (you’d test thousands in a drug trial), and they self-reported their improved symptoms with a questionnaire. There was no control group of patients NOT following the diet! The authors show a table suggesting that everyone had a 20% improvement in bowel symptoms, which does not seem overwhelming to me; but since no statistical analysis of the data is shown, we can’t say if the diet ‘worked’ or not. See if you can make more sense of it than I can –
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212267215005043

          • subo

            We found the diet on the Crohns and Colitis Foundation website as an alternative therapy, for which they say many have improved, and I can say firsthand that a family member has improved tremendously from IBS. Hoping this is the beginning of more studies regarding diets vs drugs (diets do not have funding..drugs do from big pharma). Eating things that can’t even be pronounced is just wrong. Just eat good wholesome things but there are always going to be compulsive behavior in anything.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            Dietary studies do get funded; university researchers can get grants for this kind of thing, particularly in the climate of panic about obesity, diabetes and heart disease. I’ve no doubt that some people perceive benefit from following this or that diet, though many of them will just be eating ‘proper food at regular times’ for the first time in their adult lives. The fact of following a diet and making decisions about what you eat can itself improve digestion. The published evidence for effect of diet on IBS is flimsy, probably because the patients vary in their symptoms and severity.

          • subo

            Being a skeptic is fine…how many times have we heard govt tell us something is bad…then it is good? We found what works, many find other things are best for them.

        • Buck Wicker

          Wrong I live in a trailor and have a daughter with celiac disease. We avoid GMOs and gluten at all costs. Wal-Mart here provides awesome gluten free alternatives at low prices. I just asked them to order it a d they did. We eat great. I lost 80 lbs in 6 months and also found out I have celiac disease. It is no fad. If you cannot lose your weight no matter how hard you try and you have persistent rashes or gut issues, you may have developed celiac as well. Celiac Is a byproduct of geneticly altering our edible foods with favoured genes of non edible things. It is the fastest growing auto-immune disorder.

          • eveh

            There are exceptions to most rules. I guess I should have said. Most people benefit by eating a wide variety of foods.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            Your logic is flawed. Celiac disease existed before GM foods came onto the market. If GM is the real problem, you don’t need to avoid gluten – you just need non-GM food. The only ones you’re likely to eat in the US are corn or soy. The other GM crops – like cottonseed, canola, sugar beet – are not eaten as whole crops, but are the source of oils and sugars that contain no GM components. There is no GM wheat on the market, so any bag of flour is as good as another. Can I ask how you know you have celiac disease? Did you/your daughter have an antibody test and an intestinal biopsy? Just ‘feeling better after changing my diet’ is not a diagnosis.

          • Buck Wicker

            My daughter never slept for the first year and a half of her life, before she was diagnosed with a biopsy. Yes, a diagnosis. All corn in the USA is GMOs. Spreading misinformed things like this is so Monsanto employee of you.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            Do you ever read before you type? As I wrote above, GMO corn and soy are common in the US. So cut out corn and soy, if you think that GM is the problem. However, you will not be able to explain any cases of celiac disease before 1994, if GM is supposed to be the culprit.

          • Buck Wicker

            There are farmers being sued and losing their land to Monsanto because their regular corn supposedly is cross pollinating their GMOs. Not one judge has considered the fact that the opposite is actually what’s happening in full force.

        • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

          That kind of thinking is exactly why poor people wind up fat. Next time you see someone on benefits buying food, do them a favor and keep the judgment to yourself. Because when they do try to buy healthy food the first thing some idiot does is bray, “WISH I COULD AFFORD THAT ON MY PAY.”

          And yet eating poorly and being in poor health virtually guarantees greater risk of drug abuse and other behaviors that keep poor people poor. The brain is a physical organ and it needs to be fed properly to work properly.

      • shelleyn411

        Because the middle class is a special breed by itself,very often a bunch of self-absorbed know-it-alls. I do not think the Queen follows this nonsense nor do the brothers in the hood.

        • Patrick Winter

          Wow! I guess all black people eat watermelon and Jews hoard money too? How ignorant are you?

          • shelleyn411

            Enough of the friggin’ PC. Yes, all blacks eat watermelon and I do hoard my money.

          • Zaz Zaz

            Jews love watermelon. Blacks _would_ hoard money, if only they had any after buying drugs & booze.

          • Josef Goebbels

            They eat chicken, too, pendejita. Fried, at that.

          • Jeremy

            What you’re calling PC is actually understanding and kindness which take work to achieve unlike just saying whatever shit pops into your head.

          • James

            LMAO!

        • Zaz Zaz

          Hmmm, sounds like YOU’RE the “know-it-all”: You’ve got the thought processes of the middle-class entirely figured out, all by yourself. What “class” are you”? Working Poor and proud of it? God forbid you should should try something outside your narrow world.

          • shelleyn411

            Bahahahahaha I am college educated and part of that self-absorbed know-it-all middle class. I know what my peers are and who they are. The truth can hurt, can it not?

          • Zaz Zaz

            So I was 1/2 right: You ARE a self-absorbed know-it-all. Nothing much changes: You deduce the mind-set of the entire middile-class from the behavior of your own friends, associates, & acquaintances, “birds of a feather”, instead of people you serve at McDonalds. Same coin, other side: Try observing other “classes”: You’ll find a good number of “self-absorbed know-it-alls” everywhere. (But yes, you are painful.)

          • Josef Goebbels

            As long as you pay your taxes like a good little sheep so my goats can use your piddly paycheck for feed when I take early, retirement, IDGAF what you think of yourself, kid.

          • Agent 99

            Please add “self-loathing” to that list.

            By the way, please stop projecting your peculiar take on the middle class on the rest of us, m’kay?

          • Solage 1386

            Is it true that the middle-class suffers from constant status anxiety? If so, why? It seems to me to be quite appallingly ape-like behaviour…….

      • Josef Goebbels

        I don’t see how it’s any of your business.

      • Agent 99

        Why the grotesque obsession with class? Because it’s drummed into people from every angle, and some people fail to recognize they’re being programmed to react that way…and then they do so, right on cue.

        • Jeremy

          To further that, people are programmed to think the 1% of their taxes going to the poor is ruining them and country whilst they have no idea that 60% of their taxes goes to the rich man. I wonder which of those two groups owns the media they get “their ideas” from?

          • Agent 99

            Um, Jeremy, you’re illustrating exactly what I’m talking about. And you should ask yourself your own question, Mr. Class Warrior.

          • Political Hostage

            We spend more on a federal level on welfare than anything else. It’s more than 50% of the budget.

          • Buck Wicker

            And did you factor in the trillion dollar bank bailouts and the GM bailout, you will always deny the thruth that rich CEO types take more money from our taxes than any social program. We gave Russia more money this fiscal year than we paid DHS. You are a troll.

        • Clifton

          As someone famous once said: People need to be taught to spot ideology.

          That one element would do more to dispel the semblance of envy that is really behind the so-called class warfare.

      • Solage 1386

        Because only the grotesque middle-classes have such a grotesque obsession with the grub they shove into their grotesque gobs, that’s why.

        • post_x_it

          What class are you then? Congratulations for not being middle class. No really, well done.
          However, most of us are middle class. It’s what distinguishes a developed and civilised country from a third-world hell hole.

          • Solage 1386

            I have no class!

      • Clifton

        Easy: Solage is a liberal.

        • Solage 1386

          Solage voted for the British National Party in 2010. Squawk!

      • LeisureForeigner

        Why? Because it’s England.

      • Defiant

        LOL! Grotesque. YOU obviously disdain Solage…why is it OK to put yourself in a separate class when you’re doing the same thing to Solage as he or she is doing to the food loons? Why the obsession with class?

      • Warren Lauzon

        Because the vast majority of faddists are middle class and upper middle class. And Hollywood celebs.

    • zoozoo

      Yeah, what aholes to want more choices to spend their own personal money on! BURN THEM!

      • Solage 1386

        Burning’s too good for ’em!

    • Inanimate Carbon Rods

      Middle class, you say?

      What is this “middle class” you speak of?

      • Zaz Zaz

        an ancient extinct race: self-sufficient, family-centered.

      • Jeremy

        What existed before Reagen.

    • Zaz Zaz

      That’s UPPER-middle-class to you, buddy, and aspiring to continue upward, with good nutrition as a part of the foundation for success. Do you enjoy your current place in society, (apparently some point below middle-class), so much that you prefer stay there? Stay there then: Politicians love you the most: Eat and vote so dependably, so emotionally, often against your own self-interests. Those who seek to merely tread water eventually drown.

      • Josef Goebbels

        Wow. What a pretentious @ss *you* are.

        • Muhammed Atta

          It’s spelled gas mein Herr!

      • Solage 1386

        I live on turkey twizzlers, crisps and coke with an occasional big mac as a treat, and am all the better for it.

      • HOT FROG

        A winner!

      • Solage 1386

        Is it true that that the middle-classes despise anyone they consider to be “below” them, and are filled with resentment and envy towards anyone they consider to be “above” them? In short, do they conceive of the world about them as being a hierarchy? I fear that the answer to this is, alas, “yes”. Status anxiety always precludes contentment.

        • Lemsip

          That’s what the upper class do most followed by the middle class.

      • Solage 1386

        You are a palindrome. Are you aware of this?

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      Hahaha!

      • Muhammed Atta

        Is it me, or is there really a ground swell of humanity seeking to orally nourish Hillary with our seed.

    • kenpuck

      The clandestine purpose of food is to kill you, not nourish you. So if you want to stay healthy, stop eating.

      Also, stay in bed. Nothing good comes of getting out of bed.

      • Solage 1386

        That’s what they all say…….

      • Muhammed Atta

        Every alcoholic started with milk

    • Michael Roberts

      Thats ok, enjoy your cancer by age 45 from the processed garbage you eat. The loonies will outlive you so I guess it really won’t matter will it?

      • Solage 1386

        I am 104 years old. Food ain’t gonna save ya. You are destined for eternal oblivion, and there is nothing whatsoever you can do to avoid it.

        • Buck Wicker

          You are not 104 years old. Liar. You are a troll like the rest of them. 104 year olds don’t argue on blogs and definitely don’t sound like bratty incompetent children.

          • Solage 1386

            This one does, alas…..

    • freedom74

      Someone wants broader choices in the food they buy and the way it is produced, which has absolutely nothing to do with you, and you want to kill them? You are a complete piece of solid waste and an absolute barbarian that doesn’t deserve to live in modern society.

      • Solage 1386

        Harsh, but true.

    • DJ Yates

      Hey… your circus, your monkeys… enjoy your misery!

    • Dominic Stockford

      Good one – gave me a smile at the end of a hard days work. thanks.

    • RonRonDoRon

      It’s been tried. Look up the Breatharian movement.

    • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

      You might find that most “food loonies” are categorized that way by large corporate “food” manufacturers who are scared of losing their ill gotten gains (selling the public horribly wrong products, and labeling them nutritious.) People sincerely wanting to find healthy ways to feed their families are the “good guys.” Now, they might not be fully aware of all the problems and quick to seize upon whatever is the current thing everyone is talking about; but at least they are trying to break free of the the blinded-cow mentality that supports patently corrupted foods (i.e. pretty much all prepared and fast ‘foods’ today) The woman below, a “AnnJo” has a great solution that I found really works….until the food manufacturers clean up the food supply. She is a bit judgmental on poor people, so just substitute the word “Lazy” for the word “Poor” in her comment, and it works! :-)
      “Ridiculous. You can buy a 50 lb bag of whole wheat flour for under $15 at your local restaurant supply store. At roughly 1 lb of flour per loaf and a trivial cost of yeast & salt, you can bake a highly nutritious loaf for about 35 cents. A 25 lb bag of oats will run you under $8 and with a cup of milk, provide a healthy breakfast at under 20 cents per serving. Pick up a 5 lb bag of carrots for under $4 and tell me veggies are more expensive than “sugar” in the form of soda, candy, and sweetened breakfast cereals. Some poor people spend more money on bad food because they don’t plan well and don’t learn to cook. Other poor people plan well, shop carefully and learn to cook, but they don’t stay poor for very long, so you don’t notice them.” -AnnJo

  • pearlsandoysters

    What a brilliant expositon of the current food fads! The foregone conclusion though is missing. The whole culture has become overladden with prescriptions of all sorts and pointless advice poising as wisdom. People still search for salvation, albeit in extremely degratory forms. There is no denying that there are all sorts of dietary restriction imposed on the followers of religions & philosophical dictrines, though the followers typically have a loftier aims in sights. My take that all sorts of modern day gurus should post a compulsory warning that thier views just flimsy bits of opinion, which should be treated with caution. The prolifetation of so-called experts put people at risk of abandoining common sense.

  • Observer1951

    The problem is so many people are ignorant of the most basic science that they do not recognise nonsense when they read it. Example the idea that the blood can be made alkaline or acidic by certain food types is utter scientific rubbish. There is also a trend for people to believe they have allergies to foods. Some do of course but the vast majority do not.

    • doctorseraphicus

      Amen. When I was an undergraduate we did some highly entertaining Physiology practicals to investigate alkalosis and acidosis. This was back in the days when the students were the guinea-pigs. I had to drink a litre of sodium bicarbonate solution – I think it was something like 0.5 molar – so chucking into my body an immense alkaline load. Guess what happened to the pH of my blood, taken at intervals over the following few hours: yup, absolutely nothing. Starts at 8.5. Remains at 8.5.

      Now, had I eaten broccoli for a couple of weeks I expect it would have been 8.7.

      • Callipygian

        when the students were the guinea-pigs.

        You mean they’re not any more?

        • doctorseraphicus

          I’m don’t know. I’d like to think so.

    • Callipygian

      My favourite is the idea that acidic lemons can somehow magically make the body more alkaline!

  • Ambientereal

    Eat fresh food and a little bit of everything. Small portions and variety is a way of not being too wrong.

  • Jeff S

    Sums up quite nicely my sentiments on the matter. I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve told people that removing gluten from your diet makes absolutely no difference unless you have a disease. Complete and utter quackery, the lot of it.

  • Stephen Spawls

    Nutritional advice, by people who have no real qualifications
    – or any real expertise on the body’s nutritional needs – has been what Ben
    Goldacre calls the ’bollocks du jour’ for a good many years. Read him on Gillian McKeith and Patrick
    Holford. I’d guess that not one of the ‘experts’ can
    tell you how proteins are synthesised in the body, or even how glucose enters
    the bloodstream. Don’t worry about the
    fads. If you can, eat a balanced diet,
    take some regular exercise, stop smoking if you can and try not to get
    stressed. That’ll do.

    • Callipygian

      I’ll see you and raise you: if a person can train, which means more than doing the same exercise day in, day out (with no improvement and no gains in fitness or muscle), that is even better. It’s better for daily health, for longevity, and for slowing down the process of growing old.

      • Stephen Spawls

        yes, you’re right, but it’s often hard to get people to do any exercise at all, let alone follow an expanding regime. The trials of life provided enough exercise for our hunter-gatherer ancestors; in the safer world we now inhabit we are not forced to exercise; it needs mental discipline.

  • goneunderground

    Desperately seeking something to believe in and find an easy solution to ‘health’. Some incisive thinking, analysis and self-discipline would be far more beneficial in the mid and long terms.

    • steve

      Read Will Tuttle’s “The World Peace Diet”

      Its an incredibly simple and compelling solution to multiple global crises.

      • goneunderground

        Looking at his website I doubt it would really ‘intersect’ with me. I prefer foodie books with titles like Goose Fat & Garlic or Elizabeth David traipsing around the Med discovering delicious recipes and cultures.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Anything with the seal of approval from one or both of the Two Fat Ladies will do for me.

          • goneunderground

            Quite an antidote to the ‘modern’ way of thinking!

          • Damaris Tighe

            Deliciously so!

          • blandings

            Ah yes.
            Wild rabbit, Elizabethan style.
            Autumn will soon be here.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Does that mean it has a ruff round its neck?

          • blandings

            But if we allow a ruff where will it end – Let us not forget that blackadder’s more dubious items of attire might not be considered suitable for the modern dining table, living as we do in a more reticent age.

          • Damaris Tighe

            You mean his cod piece?

          • blandings

            Let’s not forget the comedy boobs either.
            All in all I think dressing up ones dinner is a bad idea.
            I mean – Victoria sponge cake with the queenly bloomers draped tastefully…

          • Damaris Tighe

            Victoria Sponge should be served nude, but not salad which should be dressed.

          • blandings

            Damaris,
            Your dinner parties sound better than mine.

          • Damaris Tighe

            😉

          • Callipygian

            Nice with a squirt of lemon, perhaps? (Note to self: keep drinking!)

          • blandings

            What?
            The cod piece with a squirt of lemon?
            I must be misreading this.
            Or you’re an inspiration to men everywhere.

          • Callipygian

            Hello, darling : )

          • blandings

            Hi!
            I typed ” It’s 4oclock in the morning and I shouldn’t be up”
            Then I realised what I’d said.
            I shall go back to bed and recline.
            Ciao

          • Callipygian

            Imagine me as a cat curled by your side.

          • blandings

            Liked the purr.
            Off to market now

          • Callipygian

            Don’t sell yourself cheap!

          • Callipygian

            Hey Blands, you won’t see this as you don’t (say what?) check your Disqus Dash (some strange fell reason): but here tis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOMK9ZZDCkc

          • Damaris Tighe

            Oh Callipygian, that’s too much first thing in the morning! I’m having the vapours …

          • Callipygian

            Giggle…!

  • Teacher

    I don’t much mind people being ‘special’ through picky eating and faddishness as long as they don’t expect me to listen to their justificatory maunderings or pay for their folly though my taxes.

    • Sarka

      Agreed. But must add…also as long as they don’t expect me to adjust to much to their fads and whinges when I ask them to dinner, in ignorance of these fads. I am polite. If people inform me than I shall make sure there is some meat-free fare for a veggie, and I would not expect an observant Jew or Muslim to eat pork…Also, if I am informed that someone has a truly serious allergy – like a little girl I knew who genuinely blew up like a balloon and had to be hospitalised within a couple of hours if she ever ate nuts, I take care. However, in other cases it becomes ridiculous and rude…
      Several times I have lied when a guest – already arrived and with no prior notice – says, “Oh goodness, I do hope there is no garlic, or butter, or x or y (common ingredient) in that, because I have an intolerance, ideological objection or whatever…you know…bla bla”. Unless the ingredient is incredibly obviously present, I just assure them that that it is not there, and have never had any complaints that they were later sick…

      I once had an unfortunate dinner party at which one guest turned out to be Vegan (no warning given – she was brought as visiting friend of friend), one announced he could not eat anything with cream in it, another whinged all the time that she was on a diet (though despite the very boring whingeing she did eat a lot, and then kept loudly lamenting that she had), and another kept worrying about the precise alcohol content of the wines, as she liked wine but would not drink it over a certain percentage…Aaaargh…

      • Rossspeak

        I sympathise – we do alot of entertaining and after a few similar experiences years ago we now always ask every “new” dinner Guest at the time of inviting them if they have any allergies and/or fads.
        Pain in the arse often to accommodate these – but does save “trouble on the night”.

      • Maureen Fisher

        These people are a nightmare and just plain rude. Perhaps one should just serve up egg, chips and peas. The egg for the veggie and the chips (fried in sunflower oil) and peas for the vegan.

        One of these vegans actually complained to me that they couldn’t drink the wine because it had “traces of fish” in it.

        • Damaris Tighe

          I agree, just plain rude. If they want special catering they should do it themselves at home & not demand it from their host. If that means they decline dinner parties, so be it.

          • post_x_it

            Quite simply, they shouldn’t accept invitations to dinner.
            Vegetarianism is widespread and easily accommodated with sufficient notice, but anything beyond is unreasonable towards a domestic host.
            Some things are easily dealt with by the ‘sufferer’ with minimal effort. I do know several people with a genuine lactose intolerance, but they all swear by a pill available at Boots or Holland & Barret which prevents any discomfort if taken prior to a dairy-rich meal.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Agreed. I’m lactose intolerant (a recent development) – as you say you can take lactase tablets (don’t always work) or simply enjoy the meal & be resigned to the after effects the next day! It’s not the end of the world. Also, lactose intolerant people often don’t know that they can eat high fat dairy products like butter without ill effects.

          • Eric Bohlman

            That behavior is beyond rude: it’s manipulative and really a form of passive-aggressive power-tripping.

        • Callipygian

          I honestly don’t know what vegans eat. Apparently they won’t have honey because bees make it, despite the fact that reputable local beekeepers (as opposed to some Chinese that crank it out and adulterate it, too) don’t give sugar syrup to the bees for the winter but make sure they keep sufficient quantities of honey as food. It seems not to have occurred to vegans that without animal husbandry there would be many fewer animals….

          • Maureen Fisher

            It seems to be akin to a religious cult.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            Will they eat any food crops pollinated by insects? No lentils or sunflower oil, then…As you point out – no pollination, no bees.

      • HOT FROG

        Haha funny!

      • Jeffrey Vernon

        Your guests have forgotten the reason they turned vegan (if indeed they ever gave it thought). The point is not that cream will adulterate their body temple, but that they are personally boycotting the dairy industry because the milk should be fed to calves (which instead go for veal, and that’s cruel…or something…) They are not compromised in any way by undetectable traces of cream in their soup put there by a host/ess. As soon as it becomes a pollution taboo, they have to enrol you and the other guests in their public demonstrations of purity. And if they really can’t eat the food, why don’t they just ask for a small portion and pretend to eat it while taking part in the social occasion? We’ve all toyed with food we didn’t much care for without elevating our distaste to a religious principle.

  • Damaris Tighe

    I’m going to bake a cake made of beetroot flour with beansprout icing. I wonder what it will taste like.

    • doctorseraphicus

      Damaris, could you send me a slice?

      • Damaris Tighe

        You’re a glutton for punishment!

  • trace9

    There was a silly Fad
    Or so declared my Dad
    He said to me
    Ne’er faddish be
    & You’ll be a Happy Lad.

    Oh yeah! Just more intrafemale tripe – pun intended.

  • jonkle

    In the future we will be able to grow meat in cell cultures, no need for animals.
    I tried a Quorn cottage pie recently; not quite like real meat but actually, it was OK.

  • Terence Hale

    Hi,
    “Not just a fad: the dangerous reality of ‘clean eating’”. It seems to be happening every where. The Dutch can show you the many ways to rape a potato.

  • Augustus

    If nutritional science has learned anything in the last 50 odd years it’s that the definitions of healthy eating were not cast in stone. What was unhealthy eating one year was often considered healthy again later on. Take the egg. We were told in the 1970s that it was unhealthy because the scientists had discovered cholesterol in it. In the eighties researchers found out that cholesterol in food was not converted pro- rata into the bloodstream so we were allowed to eat eggs again, but no more than one a day. Today there are plenty of physicians who believe that eating eggs is a healthy way of gaining weight. With dairy products it’s been the other way around. Milk was once seen as extraordinarily healthy food but today epidemiologists say they can see a correlation between drinking milk and the onset of cancer. Bread, once regarded as the staple food has become demonized for its gluten content etc. And beef steak, once one of the most coveted dishes on the menu, then condemned as a source of evil saturated fat, but now researchers say that saturated fat is not as unhealthy as previously thought. The conclusion must therefore be that whoever purports to govern food policy with a view to improving health is going to see things quite differently in 2025 that they do in 2015.

    • Damaris Tighe

      The conclusion I’ve made is to take no notice whatsoever.

    • sidor

      What we have learnt about the “nutrition science” in the last 50 years is that it doesn’t exist, but there is an enormous number of “experts” with a great expertise in marketing their advices. The “low fat” scandal alone is sufficient to make this conclusion. Interestingly, most of those charlatans involved in advertising that crap are still employed in the same capacity.

    • Jeffrey Vernon

      Nutritional science is almost an oxymoron. Many biochemists can’t see why dietary cholesterol is discouraged at all; it appears to make little difference to the cholesterol we produce in the liver, which constitutes most of the circulating levels. The so-called Mediterranean diet, enthusiastically adopted by lovers of Italy, never meant pasta and tomatoes and wine (it was actually the diet of peasant Crete with its dried fish and lentils that impressed the 1950s researchers), and in any case the country with the lowest heart disease is France with its high amounts of butter and lard. This all comes about because heart disease and diabetes are on the rise, and governments flounder about trying to identify a dietary culprit; cholesterol, HDL, trans fats, omega 6, salt…Now the faddists think it’s gluten or GMOs. The most obvious change in British diets over the last 40 years has been the fall in fat intake – but I don’t see anyone advocating more bread and dripping as a way of reversing diabetes.

  • SeanLM

    These people are often conspiracy nuts as well. “THEY don’t want you to know these health secrets. Now buy my book!” Who’s “THEY?” Who knows? It changes from year to year. Evidence that contradicts their views is of course seen as evidence of a conspiracy. There’s also a correlation with the natural food brigade and the anti-vaccine and anti-tap water types. If human bodies were as picky as they pretend, mankind would have gone extinct before we left Africa.

    In the US everything is now labeled as “organic food” which is nonsense. I don’t know if it’s the same in the UK. “Organic” just means carbon compounds, so it’s already a misnomer. It’s not healthier according to empirical science (of course that’s evidence of the food industry “conspiracy”). It’s worse for the environment due to extra land and water use. It’s more wasteful due to spoilage caused by insects and lack of preservation. It’s more expensive. It doesn’t taste any better in blind taste tests. This leads to the conclusion that a lot of this is mostly an indulgence for upper and upper-middle class white women who live incredibly sheltered lives where they have the dilemma of choosing between keenwa, “organic” quiche, almond cheese or quorn between their yoga and pilates sessions. It’s really just a form of conspicuous consumption.

    • Callipygian

      I take it that by keenwa you mean quinoa, which is not very helpfully spelled for us native English speakers!

    • shelleyn411

      You are confusing organic with natural. Organic milk is from cows that do not piss crap into the ground water. Organic food are regulated when it comes to poison sprays, hormone treated animals etc. “Natural” is meaningless. Organic has nothing to do with gluten-free or anything that you denigrate. BTW Keenwa is a brand, you probably mean quinoa.

      • addtocart

        Uuh, so where do the cows piss/crap?

        • shelleyn411

          Ok, Mr Literal..piss hormones and feed additives into the ground water…Better?

          • BraveNewWhirled

            It’s OK Shelley, I knew just what you meant.

          • lspanker

            All animals produce hormones. Do you have a specific issue to address, or are you merely another one of those ignorant “natural foods” foamers?

        • Hank Vreeland

          The same guy that is assigned to put condoms on deer changes their diapers.

        • lspanker

          “Uuh, so where do the cows piss/crap?”

          addtocart 1, shelleyn411

      • countrygal

        So, what about food that isn’t classified as organic? Does that mean it’s inorganic? Does that mean the grapes I buy at HEB are the same as what’s sold at Hobby Lobby? OMG! What have I been eating? Plastic? And I love how you explain what natural food is. It’s as if ALL food is made in a lab somewhere and is unnatural. What makes any other food not classified as organic or natural any less nutritious? I’d rather wash the pesticide off my apple than to find a disgusting worm in it. And I just love how everyone that shops organically always has a greater-than-thou attitude. Good job sticking to your stereotypical spoiled little rich (i mean, middle class) white girl. You really put everyone else back in their place while remaining safe behind your screen. I applaud you.

        • shelleyn411

          You really should do something about your anger issues. Maybe it’s the crap you are eating makes you so testy, certainly not tasty.

          • Layne Norton

            organic food is one of the biggest scams of the decade. please show me one piece of SCIENTIFIC literature demonstrating organic food to have superior nutritional quality to non-organic. I won’t hold my breathe

          • shelleyn411

            You are so misinformed. The primary results of organic foods may not be known for a generation or two. Right now, though, we do know that hormones and pesticides are entering our ground water from farming. There are fish that have been found with male and female sex organs probably from the phyto-estrogens leaking into the water. It is not so much about vitamins and minerals but about the sh*t non-organic/industrial farmers are using. Don’t be so simplistic.

          • AnnJo

            Is “probably” as you use it here a scientific term or guess-work? If the results won’t be known for a generation or two, it must be the latter.

          • Layne Norton

            Am I now? See I actually did real nutrition research. Like actually in a lab. Not on google university. You use scary things like fish with both sex organs without realizing there are fish that naturally do that. Further, organic foods have been around decades…still no evidence they are healthier. But food zealots will continue to worship at the alter of ‘clean’ foods despite a lack of evidence to justify said claims. I would encourage you to look at real research instead of reading natural news.

          • shelleyn411

            I did not say they were healthier for humans just better for the environment. I do not subscribe to the new food religion at all. I eat gluten, carbs, meat, real cheese so do not put words in my mouth, only good food. I am not a zealot but prefer organic when I can find it and if I can afford it. Just trying to keep it clean in the true sense. Please learn to read what others are saying not what you think they mean.

          • Buck Wicker

            http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/doctors-confirm-first-human-death-officially-caused-by-gmos/
            They held a press conference about it so snopes is absolutely wrong on this. Too many advanced nations are banning GMOs maybe just cause food fads I guess. Has nothing to do with MONSANTO paying snopes over $134,000 to try and discredit real scientific research. Nothing at all. They have no financial interest in misguiding the public.

          • Lorinda

            Real research funded by whom?

          • Layne Norton

            Also you realize that organic foods still use pesticides right? Usually in higher doses. The only difference is they are ‘natural’. Oh but those natural pesticides sometimes have worse toxicity than the man made. That said they are BOTH well below toxic levels. I encourage you to take a basic toxicology course. Anything is poisonous in the right dose and most anything can be safe in a small enough dose.

          • Buck Wicker

            Ya cause lemongrass the most common organic pesticide is so much worser than those chemicals you cannot spell, I’m gonna have to agree its cool to be stoopid now, yay!!!! Go MONSANTO!!!

          • DJ Yates

            Your education on pesticides has so obviously come from the education you received… reading magazines and newspapers.

            Why don’t you enlighten us, with a discussion about the most commonly used pesticides and herbicides, their soil half-life, and differentiation of human metabolic pathways and systems use to eliminate them?

            Organic standard approved, versus non-organic approved…

            Can’t wait…

          • Zaz Zaz

            “Organic” isn’t always/only about the immediate benefits to the consumer: Organic pesticides break down quickly, thus don’t accumulate in the environment, while inorganic pesticides remain poisons in the soil air and water, in ever-increasing amounts, for decades.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            Fish changing sex – though not exactly a hoax – is the much-hyped speculation of officials in the water industry from the early 1980s.

          • obamaScares

            What a dum dum….if you keep indiscriminately shoving anything in your mouth that has been tampered with without using common sense or waiting for the same industry that is profiting from your ignorance to proclaim their foods aren’t safe, you WILL be holding your breath…in a casket six feet under.

          • Layne Norton

            only a food zealot would actually call someone who’s done actual nutrition research a dum dum. Enjoy your tin foil hat

          • obamaScares

            I’d rather be called pejorative names and safely wear a tin foil hat than eat a tin foil cap and foolishly boast that it is perfectly healthy to eat!

          • TheLibertine

            I’d love to see your medicine cabinet. I’m confident it looks like a chemist’s.

          • Buck Wicker

            Your inherit lack of understanding the issue at hand is not nutritional value (but rather the genetic added pesticides and poisons effects on the body and genome) is biological proof to me that GMOS are designed to make people stupid and content with their disease.

          • DJ Yates

            Show me studies that prove it’s NOT better. There’s lots of them…

            …and I’ll show you that all of them are funded by the industries that are hurt by organic. Organic is NOT the gold standard… not in the U.S. As a “label” it has already been decimated and made increasingly irrelevant by the food industry and Big Ag.

            That said… in the good old USA, there is measurable Glyphosate (Roundup) in the urine of most of the population, and mothers milk of mothers… and research has placed it in the “likely carcinogen” class of ag chemicals.

            Organic has benefits… and buying food from local producers who you KNOW, has far more benefits, economically as well as with health

          • Zaz Zaz

            Go to “nutritionfacts.org”, and type in “organic”

          • 1NonPermissive

            You need to do something about your condescending attitude.

          • shelleyn411

            Are you feeling inferior?

          • Litldog2

            I believe she has nothing better to do than answer everyone’s comments on a message board. Looks like a/he’s been on here for a very long while. Perhaps s/he should get out and do some walking.

          • shelleyn411

            Very intelligent reply….Did you research that comment or just pull it out of your arse?

          • Barca Mantok

            Who has anger issues?

          • BrigidBernadette

            Shelley, YOU are the one with the insulting sanctimonious rude attitude. Maybe you should go eat something. Because out of the box you are coming off as a know-it-all bitch. Perfectly illustrating the religious fervor of orthorexia. Are you here to educate, or simply put people down so you can feel superior?

          • lspanker

            “You really should do something about your anger issues.”

            How about you do something about your ignorance issues first?

        • Pepperspray137

          Took a nutrition class last year and we did a test on nutritional value of “organic” vs Walmart. All the nutritional values were similar, their individual prices were not. So we concluded organic fruit (grown in this state anyway) has the same food value as Walmart produce. That really pissed a lot of people off in class, and some didn’t want to believe it even though they ran the test themselves. I don’t know if they were mad for being fleeced for 150% more cost on food, or that they believed the lies?

          • freedom74

            Love the straw man arguments. It’s about the non-food additives and the food-like products. I don’t know why it is so hard to figure that out. You do a good job of representing the intentional mischaracterization of the real food movement by the factory food companies.

          • Christopher Ryan Welch

            Most non food additives that are classified as “organic” are not less toxic. There are no limits of spraying pesticides on organic foods, they just limit which ones can be sprayed. Unless you know the farmer growing the “organic” food, assume it has been sprayed, several times. When it comes down to organic vs non organic, it really is about knowing the farmer and their agricultural practices. Does the farmer spray their crop as it is fruiting; Does the farmer over spray their field with fertilizers which runoff into the streams.

          • obamaScares

            Problem is, too many students today are not taught how to think critically so are easily distracted by the self-serving tricks and smoke-and-mirrors of Big Agriculture, Pharma and Government. Many would never question the co-opted FDA.

            The question the students SHOULD have asked was, “How in the world can a simple ‘nutritional value’ test taken in class have determined the S-A-F-E-T-Y of eating this produce,” and, “How does this test determine the short or long-term effects on the human DNA of eating these same experimental “foods” that have been Genetically Modified?” Or, “How could this nutrition test determine the long-term damage to the human body from ingesting commercial pesticides and herbicides sprayed liberally on the vegetation or from being designed into the seeds DNA?”

            BTW, Roundup is the chemical cousin of the proven deadly Agent Orange that has given US soldiers permanent nerve damage. Yum, Yum.

          • pac-daddy

            nitroglycerin, which is used to stop your heart attack, is the SAME compound as that used to make TNT and blow up bridges. bis-hydroxy-coumaral, which is used as an anticoagulant to prevent strokes, is nearly identical to the agent used in rat poison. Too little vitamin A and you die. Too much and you die. So what’s your point?

            The Centers for Disease Control did a massive study involving Vietnam war veterans who claimed to have diseases as a result of “Agent Orange” exposure. NOT ONE SINGLE CASE of any type of malignancy or birth defect, could be found to be attributable to this compound. Yet, VA hospitals have special “Agent Orange” clinics designed to cater to the various maladies claimed to have been caused by this defoliant which you correctly pointed out is used every day by people in their yard. Why? because the government wanted to appear sympathetic. Nothing to do with science whatsoever.

            Just like people who think it is more healthy to eat “gluten free foods” when they do not have celiac disease. Nothing whatsoever to do with science. Just superstition.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            The pilots spraying AO used to drink it as an initiation rite. In the CDS study, there was a mild increase in a form of arthritis – but only in ground crew who had the lowest exposure to the agent.

          • obamaScares

            You sound like yet another paid shill for Monsanto—the maker of Roundup and Agent Orange. In your outlandish effort to compare the rampant poisoning and corruption of the food supply for the sake of corporate profits with how normally deadly substances, when used in a strictly-controlled fashion, MAY be of some benefit, you have exhibited deception and false equivalence.

            It is proven that these herbicides are neuro-toxins….and, what does a neuro-toxin do?: It destroys and harms one’s neurological system. It is laughable to claim that none of the Vietnam Veterans who were exposed to Agent Orange suffered no permanent neurological damage.

            If the government was genuinely “sympathetic” to the plight of the people as you say, they would break their bond with the Corporatists and have real independent governing agencies not corrupted by big money, and would stop the graft and revolving doors between Big Industry and the agencies that regulate them.

            The Centers for Disease Control and FDA both have been known to table studies and cut studies short to avoid adverse findings and only explore what they are told to explore by those who control the money.

            As far as the explosion of celiac disease and the recent phenomena of people developing gluten intolerance, it is more than curious that these and other new maladies and diseases have begun to plague Americans correspond to the roll-out of Genetically Modified foods and the increased use of dangerous pesticides and herbicides in commercial farming..

          • pac-daddy

            you seriously need to take the tinfoil off your head. There is absolutely no increase in the amount of people with gluten intolerance. There IS an increase in the number of people with this diagnosis, which is because doctors are more aware of this disease and are testing appropriately for it. It has of course nothing to do with GMO’s.

            The main malady that plagues the US is obesity, which is a far bigger killer and risk to health than vietnam era pesticides, wacky fad diet crazes, or mass government conspiracies. This also has nothing to do with monsanto, or agent orange, or GMO’s, but it DOES have everything to do with “Agent KFC.”

            If you want to get riled up over something, tell people to put down that big mac, pour out that liter of coke, and get the heck off the couch.

            GMO’s, pesticides, and fertilizers actually allow for greater crop production which allows people in third world countries NOT TO STARVE!!! I guess you would rather they all die?

          • obamaScares

            You are either horribly naive or you are willfully shilling for Big Ag by supporting their international goal for the total monopoly and control of the world’s food supply.

            The GMO program is a huge multi-billion dollar per year cash cow profit machine comprised of a relatively few number of international companies like Monsanto, Dow Chemical and others. They are running roughshod over small family farms, third world countries and have the federal regulators in their hip pocket.

            How is having to pay a monopoly premium for these new sterile designer GM seeds for every single planting, where the third world farmers can’t put some seeds back for future plantings, then having to buy ever-increasing amounts of expensive, customized herbicides from these same monopolies as the weeds become more and more resistant, supposed to help the poor, third-world counties???

            Additionally, how can their foods, that are being bathed in ever-increasing doses of these toxins, NOT have an adverse effect on their health?

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            Roundup is phosphonomethylglycine. Chemically, it does not in the least resemble Agent Orange (a mix of organochlorines with benzene rings in them)

          • Pepperspray137

            Good thing we have leftists in this world, or we would never know what’s safe for us to eat…

          • obamaScares

            I’m not supporting Conservatives or saying Liberals are bad people. But unfortunately, many of today’s leftists have joined forces with the Anarchists and Fascists—they’ve become militants who are AGAINST individual choice and liberty. They have subjugated the individual to the “Community,” which has an ever-changing scope and meaning. But most horrifying, many well-intentioned leftists today are being used as tools in the hands of the elitists and the New World Order (NWO) as protesters and social activists in the Green Movement.

            The Green Movement was rolled out by the NWO not to be kind or helpful to society, but to wrest liberty away from the little guy, to control and ultimately to exterminate the vast majority who they deem “useless eaters” (that is, to eliminate 12 of 13 people alive today) Do you see Al Gore or any of the elites “cutting back” of being more energy conscious? No. They are all about, “Do what I say, not what I do.”

            Read up on Agenda 21 and the Georgia Guidestones. This is one time that the thinking and caring liberal should join their Conservative counterpoint in opposing tyranny.

          • TheLibertine

            What was the incremental value of the pesticides and chemical additives to make the conventional products pretty and shelf stable? How did you factor in those data in your calculations?

            I don’t even know why so many in First World bother with embalming — given the amount of preservatives most people consume, it’s unnecessary.

            I eat local. I know where and how my meat, vedge and dairy is produced. Why go to all that bother? I prescribe to a preventative lifestyle of good nutrition and exercise. I’d rather spend money on good food and running shoes than doctors and pharmaceuticals. Bet my quality of life is way better.

          • shelleyn411

            Embalming for Christians started during the Civil War because the dead soldiers had to be transported long distances for burial and no refrigeration. Why it continues? Ask the funeral industry. K-ching!

          • lspanker

            This has NOTHING to do with embalming, shellen411. How about having an intelligent grown-up discussion instead of throwing a tantrum when your cherished notions get questioned?

          • StndUp2Thm

            uhhh, The rebuttal to your last statement is “maybe”. Why would you presume it’s better when there are 20 or more superfund sites even in the smallest of states (NH, RI) and over 60 in states like TX. With so many federally identified sites, it’s logical to presume there are many more illegal dumping grounds yet to be discovered. Also, any variety of crop can be inadvertently contaminated with GMOs. The water used to grow a crop could be anything from gray water to public water full of anti-depressants and hormones. The truth is, if you didn’t grow it yourself, you’ve no idea about the stuff you’re eating.

          • VanPastorMan

            I’m trying to do the same thing friend. I’ve been overweight most of my life. Now I am on meds and trying to get the weight off so I can get off the meds.

          • shelleyn411

            Nutritional value has nothing to do with organic foods…NOTHING. How are the pesticides, chemicals and hormones affecting the environment and our bodies? Did you test that? No, so your teacher is a poser.

          • justinmango

            same chem structure sure , vit c is vit c , but im sure you didnt do any tests to study pesticide residues etc and the quality or better said , how the body recognizes the organic form of something as opposed to the synthetic . it is very well researched , also the organic version has more of the other things now known to foster health like flavanoids etc that
            synthetic dont have , also there is the problem of glyoposfate
            contamination which is basically cancer , so there is that. but hey if you think its the same , go for it , ill stay with my organic mangos.

          • miggs

            No, people don’t do clinical studies on the effects of certain chemicals in college nutrition classes, so you do have him there. It’s also funny how you use the terms synthetic and organic, as if mangos that have had pesticide or herbicide on or around them are somehow not still mangos. It’s almost as if you don’t understand what you’re talking about. Additionally glyphosate (that’s the correct term for it by the way) is not proven to cause cancer, so how you can even claim that without studies yourself is beyond me.

          • lspanker

            How DOES the body tell whether a given chemical was produced “naturally” or “artificially”. Do the electrons in molecules with “natural” foods spin differently, giving off better vibes or what? Please do tell us, I would LOVE to hear your explanation…

          • Pepperspray137

            Where is this synthetic stuff you refer to? I was talking fruit, not “froot.” I don’t even think you know what you’re talking about? I said organic and Walmart fruit have the same nutritional value, not anything about pesticides, fertilizer or GMOs.

          • ddduke

            You just tested nutritional “values”. You obviously did not look for genetically modified ingredients, pesticide residues, herbicide residues, steroids, antibiotics, etc. which renders your findings, and the intention of this article meaningless, but that is not unusual in discussions with authoritarian followers.

          • Pepperspray137

            GMO’s feed the world. If you can’t wrap your head around it, go to Africa and ask the people who are eating when they couldn’t before, their opinion. You will find out they could care less if they’re bread has gluten in it, or a GMO produced by Monsanto. As far as the pesticides go, leftists like you banned DDT and now MILLIONS of humans die to malaria every single year. But hey, at least it was a female environmentalist who lead that charge, hooray for equal opportunity oppression and indirect murder!

          • flyboy

            Thank you. Liberals continue to deny that the removal of DDT is the reason malaria deaths have increased significantly over the past 30+ years. Another example of the outstanding stupidity of liberalism.

          • ddduke

            Feel free to eat all of the genetically modified food you want. I’ll wait until the credible independent scientific safety studies are in. The ones published so far don’t support your enthusiasm.

          • Pepperspray137

            I think there are more full bellies in Africa because of GMOs than there are studies which condemn their use. I would feel free to eat anything I like, but leftists have made food political and I can only eat and drink what you like now.

          • lspanker

            “You just tested nutritional “values”. You obviously did not look for genetically modified ingredients”

            News flash: we have been “genetically modifying” food crops since mankind first started planting crops in Mesopotamia, the Nile River Delta, and China.

          • ddduke

            There is a world of difference between cross breeding and gene splicing. You might do well to learn what that difference is.

          • Pepperspray137

            Apples and oranges do not have any “ingredients” they include, apple, and orange and are 1 serving per fruit.

          • sbut01

            Did you do a test on how much pesticide residue you were eating? just curious. What about the chemicals in processed foods?

          • lspanker

            “The words “natural” and “organic” are totally meaningless when applied
            to food and should be replaced with “pesticide free” or “fertilizer
            free” or “hormone free” or “non-gmo” which are honest descriptions of
            growing methods.”

            Agreed, as it would remove a lot of the subjectivity regarding this particular discussion.

          • Pepperspray137

            The tests were strictly food value and we only tested produce, not processed foods. Same nutrition value, 150% cheaper.

          • czynik

            LOL – thank you for that – it is so funny and so typical of the unicorn riding smug progressives. Refuse to believe what they just proved for themselves about “natural”, “organic” BS because it doesn’t fit the info-mercial for a good eco-fanatic.

            The words “natural” and “organic” are totally meaningless when applied to food and should be replaced with “pesticide free” or “fertilizer free” or “hormone free” or “non-gmo” which are honest descriptions of growing methods.

            People should and most do just buy the good commercial raised stuff and give it a good wash to get the worst of it off the outside of it and enjoy because the people picking it don’t have the slightest concept of personal hygiene. If you can raise your own then good for you but don’t expect to be healthier in any measurable way than buying market produce.

          • DagneyTaggart1

            The US sells pesticides and chemicals to other countries that are banned in the US. They then spray it on their produce and sell it back to the US. Thanks but I will continues to buy organic that has been approved by the organic council. the food may be nutritionally the same but a hell of a lot better than chemical laden. Gees with GMOs and chemical laden food no wonder cancer and other disease are on the rise. Out bodies don’t even recognize stuff as food!

          • FresnoJohn

            You do realize that there are more pesticides used in organic farming, ounces to acres, than in regular farming? And the pesticides used are actually MORE harmful to mammals than non-organic?
            Stop fooling yourself into thinking Organic = Healthier. It’s just a Marketing fad. My Job Depends On Ag. google it.

          • FresnoJohn

            And what a hypocritical name you’ve given yourself for the ignorant crap you’re spouting about your food.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            The pesticide residues fall to undetectable levels by the time they’re sold as food. You could argue that the pesticides are somehow still present – but you could equally find some fungal toxin on your organic apples that can’t be detected by mass spec and other analytic methods.

          • lspanker

            “we concluded organic fruit (grown in this state anyway) has the same
            food value as Walmart produce. That really pissed a lot of people off in
            class”

            I’m sure it did. Those holier-than-thou narcissists can’t deal with being exposed as fools…

          • VanPastorMan

            The fact that these people were upset with the findings shows they had a political axe to grind rather than finding out what the truth is. I tell you, all Walmart does is employ people,pay taxes, and sell things at a cheaper price. I know there have been some bad practices in the company, but they are not the devil himself.

        • rzalon

          The “organic premium” is just a tax on stupid rich people

      • Muhammed Atta

        If it comes with material from the periodic table, it will become poison in sufficient amounts. Go air diet or die in your man-made hell.

        God is great!

        • BraveNewWhirled

          Air diet is now poisoned with geoengineering. Must breathe gluten-free!

        • TheLibertine

          You shame God with your comments, infidel.

      • akabillybob

        Here are some tasty chemicals allowed on your high dollar organic food:

        Acidified sodium chlorite—Secondary direct antimicrobial food treatment and indirect food contact surface sanitizing. Acidified with citric acid only.

        Activated charcoal —only from vegetative sources; for use only as a filtering aid.

        Alginates.

        Ammonium bicarbonate—for use only as a leavening agent.

        Ammonium carbonate—for use only as a leavening agent.

        Ascorbic acid.

        Calcium citrate.

        Calcium hydroxide.

        Calcium phosphates (monobasic, dibasic, and tribasic).

        Carbon dioxide.

        Cellulose—for use in regenerative casings, as an anti-caking agent (non-chlorine bleached) and filtering aid.

        Chlorine materials—disinfecting and sanitizing food contact surfaces, Except, That, residual chlorine levels in the water shall not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act (Calcium hypochlorite; Chlorine dioxide; and Sodium hypochlorite).

        Cyclohexylamine —for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.

        Diethylaminoethanol —for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.

        Ethylene—allowed for postharvest ripening of tropical fruit and degreening of citrus.

        Ferrous sulfate—for iron enrichment or fortification of foods when required by regulation or recommended (independent organization).

        Glycerides (mono and di)—for use only in drum drying of food.

        Glycerin—produced by hydrolysis of fats and oils.

        Hydrogen peroxide.

        Magnesium carbonate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.

        Magnesium chloride—derived from sea water.

        Magnesium stearate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.

        Nutrient vitamins and minerals, in accordance with 21 CFR 104.20, Nutritional Quality Guidelines For Foods.

        Octadecylamine —for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.

        Ozone.

        Pectin (low-methoxy).

        Peracetic acid/Peroxyacetic acid —for use in wash and/or rinse water according to FDA limitations. For use as a sanitizer on food contact surfaces.

        Phosphoric acid—cleaning of food-contact surfaces and equipment only.

        Potassium acid tartrate.

        Potassium carbonate.

        Potassium citrate.

        Potassium hydroxide—prohibited for use in lye peeling of fruits and vegetables except when used for peeling peaches during the Individually Quick Frozen (IQF) production process.

        Potassium iodide—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.

        Potassium phosphate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specific ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.

        Silicon dioxide.

        Sodium acid pyrophosphate —for use only as a leavening agent.

        Sodium citrate.

        Sodium hydroxide—prohibited for use in lye peeling of fruits and vegetables.

        Sodium phosphates—for use only in dairy foods.

        Sulfur dioxide—for use only in wine labeled “made with organic grapes,” Provided, That, total sulfite concentration does not exceed 100 ppm.

        Tartaric acid—made from malic acid.

        Tetrasodium pyrophosphate (CAS # 7722–88–5)—for use only in meat analog products.

        Tocopherols—derived from vegetable oil when rosemary extracts are not a suitable alternative.

        Xanthan gum

        YUMMY…

        • AnnJo

          You forgot dihydrogen monoxide.

        • Buck Wicker

          Organics also contain water and salt and other natural organic compounds oh my!!!! Just because you use the ‘scary’ sounding words doesn’t mean we are dumb as you to be scared of them. How can we take you seriously if you list vitamin c in your scary list. What a goon.

        • pac-daddy

          citric acid is vitamin c, dude.

      • SnakeUSMC

        When people tout “organic” veggies, they believe these are grown without pesticides and “natural fertilizer”. “NON Organic” a study showed has about 12 percent pesticides contained in the veggies. ORGANIC usually has about 5-6 percent pesticides because of the drift.

        • shelleyn411

          Percentages add up just like having X-rays. We now know that people who have had many head x-rays are more prone to brain cancers. Children who had their feet x-rayed in shoe stores many years ago have a higher incidence of certain cancers. It all adds up. Just like the chemicals in your foods. If you want to believe Big Pharma go right ahead. I will not drink their Kool Aid.

          • miggs

            I don’t think excessive exposure to electromagnetic radiation is comparable to eating preservatives as a source of developing cancer, but I could be wrong. It’s also kind of funny because x-rays can be used to kill malignant cancer cells.

          • SnakeUSMC

            You are speaking from an UNFORMED Liberal point of view. I am engaged in food production. Have made a NON (GET THAT) NON GMO fertilizer which increases crop yields from 25 to 1000 percent. Does not harm fruit and has a higher Brix reading. I hope you understand what I wrote.
            Now What I said is the truth. Non organic has twice the amount of cides than “organic” and I stated the REASON why, it is called DRIFT!. If you don’t believe me because YOU KNOW IT ALL, take some “organic produce” to a lab and ask them to run the veggies through a GC. You will be surprised what it bring out as FACT instead of your EMOTION of Big Pharm. When you make a statement, be SURE you back it up with FACTS and not liberal emotion. Subject: Re: Comment on ‘Clean food’ is a dangerous fad

      • libh8er

        At our grocery store, organic strawberries are over $3 per 16 oz, while normal strawberries are 89 cents per 16 oz, and for what? It’s a giant scam, worshipped by weak minded lemmings who willfully follow whatever stupid trend comes along.

        • DJ Yates

          You picked the wrong food for an example… and I’m betting you put sugar on your strawberries. No need with decent organic strawberries…

          Those 89¢ strawberries taste like CRAP… just sayin…

      • Litldog2

        I’ll go with milk that is pasteurized. By the time a person eats organic if not freshly picked from their backyard garden, I’d hazard a guess that all nutritional elements are lost.

      • Slip Mahoney

        I have an have a friend who’s father owns half of the Imperial valley in California, Abatti farms. When asked about organic food he just laughs. They plant so called organic crops right next to non organic crops. The over spray from the crop dusters hits the organics as well as the non organics. Go ahead and pay a premium for so called organics so you can feel smug

        • DJ Yates

          I buy organic… and I have to concur that this is, indeed, a common practice. What you didn’t mention, is that frequently they wait till the wind is blowing towards the organic crops to spray…

          That said… the reason for “Organic” standards isn’t the problem in the U.S., it’s the bastardization of the standard because of the money of Big Ag.

          Most small scale local growers where I live, don’t even bother with Organic certification any more, because there are so many cheaters… and it costs a few thousand bucks each time for the certification.

          I know and am friends with many of the peeps that grow the local food I eat… it’s not “organic”. But it’s probably better than the food certified organic.

          • Slip Mahoney

            You proved my point. Almost all so called organic foods are a hoax and the people who buy them are wasting their money

          • DJ Yates

            Well… I’m a fact based kind of consumer of information… and I have first hand knowledge of your point.

            But, because I am a “fact based analyzer” I must point out, that your reply is loaded with logical fallacies.

            The TRUTH is, as in all things, “caveat emptor”, let the buyer beware. “Almost all” is your fallacy.

            I buy products from companies regularly, where their reputation for adhering to better than organic standards is at it’s worst, “rarely” in error.

            Let’s face it… we buy our food, elect presidents and pols, buy cars, and consume our media, as a nation, in a manner that suggests the population at large has outsourced their brains.

            We have not taught “how to think” in our public schools for decades… and the political system and multinational corporate oligarchy (NOTE, I didn’t say “capitalists”… I think we should try capitalism in the U.S., and let markets genuinely work, instead of the bogus faux-capitalism that masquerades as capitalism) has made f**king the public, part of “business as usual.”

            Simply… bogus organic compliance, is not really the problem. Bogus EVERYTHING compliance in the U.S. is the problem… of course… who enforces the U.S. Organic standards?

            Why, the USDA and FDA, of course 😉

      • FresnoJohn

        Organic farming also tends to use more than 3x more pesticides than non-organic. They just used things on the “Organic” list. And before you say ‘but those organic pesticides aren’t as harmful’, realize that most regular pesticide use requires an N95 mask. Organic pesticide use requires full body suit with ventilation.

        http://www.myjobdependsonag.com/

      • dfgsdgdgsdf

        Organic is a scam. They use pesticides just like conventional farming and are actually worse for the environment.

        http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/04/scientist-mothers-view-organic-and-whole-foods-are-scam-of-the-decade/

        Organic = scam of the decade

    • Mr.StrangeMagic

      I know right! First they thought the government was spying on us and now they are trying to say foods grown with less pesticides are better for us, what a buncha conspiracy nuts, should be burned a the stakes and then we can eat them!

      • DJ Yates

        Governments, spying on citizens? Bah!

        Conspiracy nuts! 😉

    • BraveNewWhirled

      Almond cheese? Ew.

      • shelleyn411

        Cheese good! Almond cheese? Really?

  • CPT

    Some of the healthiest cultures in the world eat loads of carbs. The Japanese eat white rice three meals a day. The French eat baguettes at least once a day. A much bigger problem is eating all the processed ingredients, which are also found in gluten free products. A good loaf of homemade bread is far better for you than the tapioca-rice-potato flour loaves that are bound together and made shelf-stable with tons of strange chemical products,

    • Damaris Tighe

      The French baguettes aren’t full of sugar. Any sliced loaf nowadays is full of sugar. Some taste like brioche. You can’t make a tuna sandwich with them. Yuck.

  • Callipygian

    I have to wonder if all this supposed allergic reaction to gluten is a kind of self-cherishing: the new tattoos. My understanding, from a (terrific) book about sugar and sweeteners, is that you can only know that you have celiac disease if you’ve had a gastroscopic invasion of your privacy. I believe I read that right, though it’s not an interest of mine so I can’t be sure. In any case, it is much more fun for some people to be self-importantly damaged than just to realize that they need to be more discerning and eat far less of refined carbs. When I stay in summer rentals and see the utter cR p that prior visitors have left in the kitchen (fridge and cupboards), I’m amazed that they aren’t dead already.

    I eat ‘clean’ and always have, in that I eat only the quality item, and make most of my meals myself.

    As for nutrition advice, I wouldn’t trust anyone under 30, give or take a couple of years.

    • AnnieOfArc

      Self-cherishing, that’s a very good way to put it! A lot of nazel-gaving involved. All my gluten-free (and tattoo-laden) friends are rootless, wander from city to city, have never worked in a soup kitchen, and spend their excess time and energy on their pets, their stomachs, or their instagram. Ah, everything is sad.

      • Callipygian

        Your last line: except that we don’t have to share in that, Annie. Chin up! : )

    • post_x_it

      Yes, and another aspect, which is related but not the same, is that a food foible has a socialising and identity-forming effect for people in need of such things. They belong to the community of coeliacs; they share the concerns and aspire to the solutions of other coeliacs. Whether or not they have a physical condition doesn’t matter in the slightest.

      • Callipygian

        Good point. Perhaps ‘fibromyalgia’ works in the same way. There was certainly concerted community anguish when Rod Liddle was rude about it, as you may remember.

  • Christopher Gage

    Eaten Paleo for years and never better. I highly doubt real food is a “silly fad”. As for carbs, since being told to avoid fat and replace it with carbs we have seen obesity sky rocket. 2% in the 70s to 27% now.

  • johnhenry

    I’m surprised at the low level of comments thus far. People are fanatics about food.

    Can I make a million bucks as a ‘food’ celebrity if my only advice is eat a wide variety of minimally processed foods, the names and ingredients of which one recognises without a chemistry degree, and to eat them in moderation?

    During our last visit about three years ago, looking at his computer screen, my doctor remarked that I was his only patient who’d never had any blood work or other lab tests done since he’d started in practice over 30 years ago.

    I don’t live a completely healthy lifestyle (blush), and what will be will be, but the best we can do in the meantime is to enjoy life without overindulging in anything.

    Actually, I am almost a fanatic about pollution, but this article is about food. Bye.

    • Callipygian

      Pollution is a serious concern, esp. noise pollution in the 21st-century West.

      Good points, though I note that sometimes the enjoyment of life requires a little ‘overindulgence’.

      • johnhenry

        “Pollution is a serious concern, esp. noise pollution…”

        Amen, not to ignore visual pollution.

  • Maureen Fisher

    The relationship with food in this country is profoundly dysfunctional. From what I gather many people watch these “foodie” programmes then go off and put a ready made meal in the microwave. Many people seem to have all manner of invented “allergies” or fads. Yet we have the largest number of clinically obese people in Western Europe. What is going on?

  • Sausage McMuffin

    I had a stomach ulcer for 4 years. I was on medication. I moved house, changed GP, who said ‘if you’ve been on this medication for 4 years, it’s not an ulcer’. He suggest a food intolerance test. I was off the scale for dairy. Gave up dairy, and the ulcer symptoms disappeared within a few weeks, as did my need for drugs.

    For many it’s not a fad. People’s bodies are different, have different histories, different different intestinal fauna, different responses to food (I’m sure my response was due to growing up on a dairy farm drinking full cream umpasturised milk by the litre ever day for years).

    Let’s not try to make this a left-right issue of trendy lefties vs agribusiness. Our food has been aduterated over decades. Pushing for decent food and being more sensitive to diet is a product of progress, not some weird, woolly post-religious belief system.

    • Callipygian

      Fauna or flora?

      • Sausage McMuffin

        Thinking about it it’s probably both: flora is the plants (the yeasts & Fungi), fauna are the animals (parasites and bacteria).

        • Callipygian

          Just as well it’s all hidden from view!

        • Steve J

          Respectfully, FYI; Fungi are NOT plants. They belong to the third kingdom along with mushrooms etc.

      • sabelmouse

        inside ones body? fauna.

    • HOT FROG

      Are you fat? Everyone I know with food issues are fat.

      • sabelmouse

        how funny!

  • post_x_it
    • Callipygian

      Laugh!

  • Roger Hudson

    I always eat clean food, well washed and even have some brushes to clean ‘spuds’.

    • sabelmouse

      but so hard!

  • chrishighcock

    First world problems. People obsessing about what they can’t eat when many in the world are starving

    • sabelmouse

      that is rue but does not change the fact that some people do have issues and that industrially produced junk is detrimental to heath.
      wanting to be healthy is not unreasonable.

  • Ali Bamford

    I stopped eating gluten 8 years ago and my 12 years of raging diarrhoea stopped – overnight. Gradually so did my years of awful restless legs, neuropathy (burning feet, ‘gouty’ toes), acid reflux, ‘pocket’ hiatus hernia, huge amount of gas and bloating, palpitations, night sweats, hot flushes, and after 30 years of trying to kill it, within 18 months I was no longer a walking fungus-factory.

    Please don’t patronise me by calling my diet a ‘fad’.

    I eat only natural food, and get all the nutritional elements the grains were stealing from me, from other foods. This stupidity that surrounds the ‘don’t cut out food groups, you will starve to death’ thing is crazy. Just like milk is not the only, nor the best source of calcium, wheat is neither the only, nor the best source of B vitamins, or iron, or whatever. No food contains just ONE element.

    There are always going to be people who do not do proper research, or who do not follow advice properly, but that can happen under any dietary regime, even the one suggested by the current dietetic advice. People who follow the advice to eat ‘plenty of starchy carbs’ may exist on chips/fries, but they won’t thrive on them. Only eating a limited range of foods can happen even within what is accepted as a ‘normal’ diet.

    At the end of the day, wheat products are too addictive for people to avoid for long – unless they actually see a benefit from doing so. I have seen testimonies of many people who have been avoiding it only to indulge and become so sick they vow to never eat the stuff again. Just because they may not have been diagnosed with Celiac (and there are undoubtedly some amongst the Gluten-free throng who are of the apparently 99% undiagnosed Celiac Sufferers) doesn’t mean something in the grain isn’t affecting them.

    Just because science hasn’t yet figured out what is going on, doesn’t mean there is nothing going on. How long did it take for Chronic Fatigue/M.E. To be finally accepted as a legitimate illness? How long were those poor people accused of being ‘malingerers’? For how long were they ridiculed by the Medical Profession and the Media?

    • Cindy Waters Lynah

      I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia 8 years ago. My family began eating Paleo almost 4 years ago. I have lost 85 lbs. and have had a significant decrease in fibromyalgia symptoms (noticeable by all of my family). I feel better than ever and am literally getting stronger every day. Many of my symptoms return when I eat sugar, soy or wheat. My husband has lost weight and has less back pain, sleep apnea, and reduced cholesterol. My 3 year old has never been sick, my 9 year old only gets migraines when she eats junk food, and my 15 year old with Tourette syndrome has fewer tics and less anxiety. She also maintains her weight until she visits her dad for the summer and doesn’t have access to much real food.This is not a fad. It really does help. It is however important to distinguish this from the gluten free fad. Gluten free processed food is just as bad for you as other processed foods. It is a gimmick. It is not real food and takes away from the amount of fruits and veggies you would eat if you didn’t overconsume breads, pastas and baked goods.

      • Ali Bamford

        My husband has Fibro. I can’t get him to eat Paleo/low carb as he does like a few sweet things but even just going gluten/wheat free has made a huge difference. He isn’t in anything resembling the pain he used to have and his mood is much brighter. If he gets glutened, he turns into Attila the Hun for the best part of a week! In pain, irritable, frustrated, depressed. Black fog so thick you could cut it with a knife!

        Although married, we obviously are not blood relatives, yet he also reacts to wheat, albeit in a different way to me. Our grown son prefers to eat gluten free because he feels better without it. Our daughter knows she would be better without it but her Hub won’t give it up so she has no incentive to. My Mum was diagnosed with .celiac Disease just 4 weeks before she died, when it was way too late to reverse the damage. They’d only had 64 years to find it! And knowing what I now know, I am convinced my Dad’s health would have been much improved off it. I know heaps of people who have dumped it and got their health back (and many have lost weight into the bargain).

        Ok, maybe gluten isn’t the culprit, but something in modern wheat flour is affecting people adversely. Or just maybe, it’s what ISN’T in the flour that is the bigger problem. When the germ, the bit that contains most of the nutritional elements needed for digestion is removed to prolong shelf life, perhaps if the body then has to rob itself to provide those elements, other functions and processes are left short and get disrupted. Whatever is robbed out at any given time may vary in each individual, which could explain the hugely differing responses when people consume it.

        I know that when we make slow-rise (12 hours minimum in the Fridge overnight) bread with wheat flour, as long as we make sure ALL the flour is incorporated and the bowl is clean and are careful not to contaminate it with raw flour (we use olive oil to shape it rather than flour), my husband can eat that without any evident problems.

        The long proofing time not only allows the yeast to work on the gluten proteins, pre-digesting them, but the fermentation also generates and replaces at least some of the nutritional elements that were lost with the removal of the wheatgerm. It then becomes much easier to digest. If the wheat is ground freshly with the germ still present, and slow risen in the traditional way, bread can be hugely nutritional. But modern bread and wheat products in general are more about profit than health. Sadly.

      • Agent 99

        Gluten-free also means you’re ingesting a lot of rice flour, which depending on where it’s grown, means you’re also ingesting higher levels of arsenic. Who knew?

      • sabelmouse

        i haven’t gone paleo but found that eating more animal foods , and especially more sat fat reduced/eliminated some symptoms.
        agree about the gluten free foods though it’s probably nice for a treat for children.

      • Jeffrey Vernon

        All your symptom reduction could be attributed to your massive weight loss. What do sugar, soy and wheat have in common that they could all cause illness in the same person? Is there a rationale for this diet, or does it just seem to work? You write that your 9 y/o gets migraine when she eats junk; but most people never get migraine whatever they eat. Migraine is a neurological disorder, not a normal and expected symptom of eating processed food.

        • Cindy Waters Lynah

          I do not claim to have cured any of my family’s ailments by eating this way. I do however feel quite certain that many of these ailments are made worse by certain foods, particularly those known to cause inflammation. My symptoms, as I stated will worsen when I eat certain foods. On the other hand, when I eat a diet high in fruits, vegetables, nuts and high quality protein, I feel better. Trust me, I would eat pizza daily if it didn’t make me feel so sick. This way of eating works because it is simple. You don’t have confusion over how much of something you can have. I eat as much as I want and have become an excellent cook in the process(my husband used to cook most meals because I was often exhausted and in bed by 4:00). It wasn’t until I stopped putting all of the processed carbs in my body that I started to see decreased symptoms and get my life back. I am not a scientist, but I tried every drug available to treat my fibromyalgia and nothing worked. Doctors even had me on oxycontin for the pain, I was a shell of a human. I was not overweight when I was diagnosed, that came after all of the meds that didn’t work and had terrible side effects. Now, I do not take prescription meds at all. The myriad of chemicals we put into our bodies cannot possibly be good for us, and may actually be bad for those of us who are already somewhat immunologically challenged. I just decided to replace them with whole fruits and vegetables. As for my daughter’s migraines, they most definitely are caused by dairy products and have eased off as a result of our diet. It is very common for food to be a migraine trigger. I used to get them every time I ate Chinese food. I later found out that msg is known to cause headaches. I hope this provides a little insight into why I have a love of real food and always will.

  • Erik11235813

    I say, “LET THEM EAT gluten free, vegan, raw, probiotic, live fermented, sugar free,
    Paleo, CAKE!

    • sabelmouse

      i make really nice flour-less cake.

  • Hutman2

    Everyone deserves the fate which is brought to them by the food choices they make.

    • sabelmouse

      are you kidding?

  • Methadras

    The entire thing is a scam, from no GMO, to gluten free, to organic. It’s all nonsense. All of it.

    • Jeremy

      You work for big Agra or just fallen prey to their marketing?

      • Methadras

        Neither. I simply reject the idea that GMO, gluten free, or organic are legitimate food claims of health vs. non-health. GMO’s are a not a problem and never have been. In fact, GMO’s have been going on since life has occurred on earth. It’s a natural process that man has learned to exploit. Simple. Gluten free? Less than 1% of the US population suffers from Celiacs disease. Gluten sensitivities are nonsense. You might as well call yourself lactose intolerant. As far as organic foods? Those have been proven to be expensive and offer zero, ZERO, nutritional gains over traditional grown foods.

        • sabelmouse

          you don’t understand what gmo means.as for the rest; nwat.

  • WHMay

    First World problems.

  • shelleyn411

    Thank God, a voice of reason. We have seen these idiots before and the idiots who follow them. I will look for organic foods if available and affordable, only to help the environment I always said that butter is better, milk is good, steak is delish, and bread is soul soothing. I hope these food gurus fall out of favor soon maybe with a good case of diarrhea.

  • addtocart

    Most of the health food fanatics I know don’t really look so … healthy.

  • ali_Shabazz_Kingfish_Stevens

    Would one be eating “clean food” if one performed oral sex on any of these self proclaimed nutritional princesses? My guess, backed up by my experience, is the answer would be “no”. Bad breath and dirty bottoms seem to be the rule with these social meddler misfits.

    • Ambientereal

      French bidet is already invented, why not install one?

  • atlanta_guy_1

    Dirty little secret here. Women are eating like this because their stress levels are too high and their stomachs can’t handle ‘normal’ food. Who knew that living a childless, work-oriented, wine drinking, relationship-challenged life could actually make women feel anxious.. Amazing.

    • Agent 99

      Anxiety, neurosis, and stress are not even factored into the equation which focuses only on the material. How very “western”.

      • atlanta_guy_1

        Perhaps, but if the items I mention are true, you see why they aren’t confronted very much publicly; to do so would be to break the narrative created by the Left about what is good and what isn’t. At least here in the US.

        • Agent 99

          Wow, you can’t be for real! A voice of reason in a wilderness of floundering liberals? Are you kidding?
          Anyway, you’re exactly right, but as long as the godless materialists are at the helm, they’ll point fingers at “stuff” as the source of their angst. They disregard the power of their own (misguided) attitudes and chosen lifestyles.

    • Jeremy

      What’s normal food? Cows milk because the dairy industry paid for a bunch of ads? Gmo’s because Monsanto has corrupted the FDA? Fluoride because the aluminum industry couldn’t find another way to get paid for their waste? One day you’ll see that what you call normal is just a string of successful ad campaigns.

      • Agent 99

        And you’re a walking receptacle for half-baked, cynical, “anti-establishment” counter culture hype —because apparently it makes you feel good.

  • Mr.StrangeMagic

    So nice to see someone writing about the dangers of eating healthy and the risk of not being obese.

  • Beedogz

    Food additives you cannot pronounce or understand what they are without a Google search are not foods, they are a chemical cocktail. I wouldn’t eat the contents of a chemical lab, and I try not to eat massive quantities of food additives. Hormones in animals and dairy we consume are anotner chemical cocktail.

  • daddybdg

    I’m thinking about marketing a line of gluten-free water. It will only cost the consumer 10% more than the others that don’t have gluten-free on their label. Why would I do it? Because I care about you and your children.

  • Sean L

    Just cut out processed food and starches, bread, rice, pasta, potatoes etc, and you can eat what you like without ever getting fat. Instead of steak and chips just have two steaks. You get sufficient carbs from fresh fruit anyway.

    • Callipygian

      …and from other veg (peas and corn especially).

  • Harry Callahan

    Not so long ago, humans would make very careful choices about their sex partners, and typically ate the best food they could afford. Now, people are encouraged to sleep with whomever they wish, but to deliberate very carefully over food choices. Western culture has everything backward today.

    • Callipygian

      Or to sleep with whomever asks them, which is not necessarily the same thing.

  • nutterboxer

    I agree with being careful about cutting things out, and the low carb has no legitimate health benefits. But this article does not cover GMO, which make up a majority of all wheat in the world. If we still had real grain, there would be no need for gluten free as most of us are not allergic from birth. Similarly, the author fails to mention how raw milk is the only milk we had until the 1900’s, meat was eaten in much lower quantities, and there were no additives, preservatives, chemicals, or poisons in our food before the 20th century. Organic food didn’t exist as a sub-group 100 years ago because there was no such thing as in-organic food. Also, detoxing wasn’t necessary before the introduction of tens of thousands of carcinogens into our world through chemical companies like DuPont and Dow, to the point where new born babies have dozens of toxins residing in their bodies from birth.

    So while the article makes some good points, it is a slanted opinion piece as it fails to mention the biggest reason for our healthy focus in the first place. We are dying from diseases like cancer, diabetes, and heart disease at a rate unheard of in the history of the world.

    • Callipygian

      the low carb has no legitimate health benefits.
      Eh? The evidence shows that it certainly does. Ever heard of insulin? There you go.

      • nutterboxer

        Insulin and carbs are COMPLETELY unrelated. Unless you over-eat, as pointed out in this article. Insulin producing problems are a result of spikes of glucose(ever heard of that) in a person’s system, very common in diets with highly processed foods and sugars.
        Maybe you’re thinking of enriched bread, that’s not carbs because the grain has been ground with an industrial roller into dust, making it nothing more than sugar that rushes through your digestive system. Changing the molecular structure of food changes what the food is. People with your level of understanding on health are exactly who this article is targeting.

        • Callipygian

          Read Gary Taubes, for a start.

          • nutterboxer

            Taubes agrees with me about processed grains, but he misses the boat on the fat debate. Livestock that we ate a lot less in the past, when we ate it, used to be healthy because it was on a natural foraging diet that led to the formation of Omega 3 fat in the meat. Cows fed just grain or corn, and given antibiotics don’t produce the Omega 3’s, so you just get the saturated fat.

            Let me reference you to a few authors/experts:
            Dr. Jonathan Wright
            Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn
            Dr. Jennie Brand-Miller(Glucose Revolution)

            Calling a processed grain a carbohydrate is like calling an orange peel an orange.

        • Callipygian

          I have now read beyond your first two lines: your presumption is incredible. ‘My level of understanding’?

          We shall circle back on the basis of your own evidence, and I’ll state again that eating a diet relatively low in carbohydrates does have, contrary to the assertion I replied to, ‘legitimate health benefits’?

  • Zaz Zaz

    “Nutritionists”? “Dietitians” ? Look up the qualifications for these titles: They’re operating on the same level of education as the bloggers you refer to, often with less real-word experience, simply repeating what they’ve been told by the previous generation equally uniformed “dietitians”, and ‘nutritionists”; their “teachers”. Show me one case of a health-conscious , non-dairy consumer suffering calcium deficiency.

  • crabcon

    Uuhhhhhh…we’ll see who’s into what next week…

  • Joe_E_in_the_IE

    Or as the bumper sticker says:

    EAT WELL. STAY FIT.
    DIE A LITTLE LATER.

    • Ambientereal

      Or better, live fast die young and leave a beautiful corpse.

  • Harry Callahan

    Food obsession is just another manifestation of selfishness. “Since I am so special, only the most special food may find its way into my body.”

  • Dewreck

    Brought to you by the wheat and dairy lobby.

  • shelleyn411

    Oooops, I must’ve stumbled into an article from Englanistan…bye, bye!

  • http://yahoo.com/ james thomas

    The only people more off the wall and more dangerous to your health are the rabid greenies and the anti vaccine loons.

  • whooosh

    Just another attempt by the food police to regulate how people eat and what they eat. If this campaign does not pan out, they will go for laws later on.
    Just ignore these ignorant fools and they may disappear, when their fame wears off.

    • jimmyb

      I think its more like people trying to force trends for the purpose of making money than people just playing food police.

  • jimmyb

    I just had cold pizza and milk for breakfast and I feel great.

  • stderr

    > The overwhelming advice from the people who know a lot
    > about nutrition and dietary health doesn’t seem to have changed
    > much over the years: everything in moderation.
    >
    Especially cyanide.

  • Davis Johnson

    As they say, a sucker is born everyday. Eat everything and eat in moderation and you will be just ine.

  • Vidkun Lauritz Jonssøn

    I have to wonder how people have become so moronic.

    It really is a sign that people have it too easy.

  • Brianna

    Eating high fat low carb. Lost 60lbs. Kept it off for 5 years now, I wear size 6 pants. Used to take 9 meds a day. Down to 2. I eat as much food as I want to….every day. Chew on that lol…

  • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

    People are such suckers. They habitually fall for all these different fads, most of which are short lived and make no scientific sense whatsoever. Because the girls are young and attractive (most young women are attractive), people stupidly think that doing what they do will make them look like people half their ages. This obsession with looks and build is way out of control. Do the best you can with what you have and forget about it. Focus on doing what you were put here to do.

  • Clover11111

    The diet gurus who push these ways of eating are the only ones who benefit, financially of course if they create a following who will enrich them in exchange for their slavery over ones eating habits .

  • starrrgirl

    eat what you want, but in moderation. youre eventually going to die anyways.

  • Smorf

    Best “health food” strategy;

    If your grandmother would not have served it, skip it.

    • HOT FROG

      Bravo!

  • ……

    This article brought to you by Monsanto, Nestlé, and McDonald’s…..

    • Agent 99

      Well, why don’t you find a better way to grow and distribute food that people will CHOOSE to purchase and eat at an affordable price?

      By the way, not everything that’s big and successful is a bad thing.

      • Jeremy

        If we didn’t subsidize beef it wouldn’t be affordable so it’s a little more complicated than you say. And yes, most things that are big and successful have gotten that way through unwholesome means which is why it’s harder to fit a camel through a needle…

        • Agent 99

          Oh come on. Stop trying to force your zealousness and judgemental views on other people.

          It’s a new luxury to sit here and complain about the richness, abundance, and availability of our food supply –incidentally, which we don’t have to endure hard physical labor to plant, raise, and harvest ourselves.

          By the way, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

      • ……

        Eat you’re Gmo then go back to sleep…

        • Agent 99

          No, sorry. Don’t assume that just because somebody disagrees with your attitude that they have less knowledge than you do. M’kay pumpkin? (By the way, “your” is the possessive. “You’re” = you are. Maybe you’re in a hurry.)

          • ……

            Clean eating has clearly affected my grammar……

    • Ambientereal

      A pity Bud is not included, I would love a big mac with dark Bud.

  • TroyGale

    I do believe that IQs are shrinking with every new generation.
    Hello, your remote ancestors didn’t wash their hands before the ate.
    In fact they seldom bathed either. They ate things that would make us puke.
    They survived, and frankly were probably much more healthy than anyone eating a vegan diet!
    HELLO, EARTH CALLING VEGANS!
    IT HAS BEEN PROVEN MORE THAN ONE TIME THAT EATING ONLY VEGETABLES ISN’T HEALTHY.
    That said, eat what the heck you want to, no one gets out alive anyhow.

    • Ambientereal

      Yes, for instance in 19th century they circumnavigated Africa with very simple means, (many months) and when they landed, they walked 2500 miles up the Zambeze. Quite though guys indeed. I would love to know what they ate.

      • TroyGale

        LOL…anything that didn’t eat them once they landed in Africa!
        On board ship, hardtack, beans, and salt pork, with the addition of a fish now and again.

  • SuperGoyem

    I remember in the 60s that most all Americans were normal size to a bit slim. Now they’re fat hogs and afraid to speak there mind in public. WTF?

  • Josef Goebbels

    Reading these comments makes me realize how really devolved the human race has become. Thanks, guys, for restoring my belief that mankind will become increasingly ignorant before the Giant Comet wipes your useless @sses out.

    • Ambientereal

      You mean “our useless …”

  • Agent 99

    The bigger problem seems to be more about neurotic obsession than the food itself.
    (And am now going to go grab a couple of cookies in protest of the nuttiness. And then for a walk, away from the computer.)

  • Keating Willcox

    Willcox and Willcox published the Okinawa Plan, years ago. It is possible to have a society where folks are healthy, live very long and productive lives, and avoid many diseases. Okinawa and its very healthy diet prove so. Modern food is packed with corn oil, preservatives, emulsifiers and other junk. And the wheat has been screwed up for decades.

    There is no reason to eat junk. Healthy food is a great choice for almost everyone.

  • Madeline

    People want healthier food and they are feeling alive finally.

    • Agent 99

      What do you mean, “finally”? People in previous generations felt quite alive, especially after having a ribeye and garlic mashed potatoes.

      • Jeremy

        Yeah 33% obese, 1 of 3 with cancer, 1 of 3 with diabetes, highest rate of mental health issues in developed countries. Sounds like really living to me.

        • Stillontheroad

          So what is your solution or your fix or your on high snobbery that thinks what you do is whats best for everyone – eat as you wish but keep your pontificating to yourself, the world has enough of that already.

        • Agent 99

          No. The widespread obesity, diabetes, and kind of stress you’re citing is a very recent development, which is largely due to sitting on our posteriors, entertaining ourselves to death.

      • Madeline

        hahah yes or eggs benedict.

  • Robert

    No one needs dairy…milk contains cassin..which is a known carcinogen. human being are the only creatures that continue to drink milk after we’ve been weaned off mother’s milk. The USA has the highest per capita consumption of dairy..yet, we have the highest rate of osteoporosis in the world. Pass the almond milk, please!

    • Agent 99

      We’re also the only creatures that brew beer and cultivate grapes to ferment wine. Discuss.

      • Robert

        The human body produces an enzyme that breaks down lactose until we’re about 6 months old..Mother Nature’s way of telling us to STOP DRINKING MILK..oh, my bad…humans are the smartest creatures in the universe..we ALWAYS do what’s in our best interests…

        • Ambientereal

          Poor mother nature could never have imagined the variety of stuff we put inside our body. Even if humankind survives a zillion years, our body will never be perfectly adapted to our so rapidly changing nutrition habits.

          • sabelmouse

            they weren’t changing rapidly until recently.

        • Agent 99

          And when in our development do we develop the ability to metabolize alcohol and other “stuff” that we choose to ingest and inhale? Discuss.

        • Agent 99

          By the way, lactose intolerance is not universal, especially in the west.

        • Jeffrey Vernon

          Most europeans and americans have lactase persistence; we keep making the enzyme that breaks down lactose for our whole lives. About 5% of these populations are intolerant.

    • Ambientereal

      Nutrition is quite complex. My wife has six sisters (my mother in law had 7 daughters in total) and one of them never drank milk after she stopped breastfeeding at about a year old. All the others still drink milk, all of them over 50 and a couple over 60. The only who has osteoporosis is the one that never drank cow milk, although she is one of the youngest, all others are very well. I believe it is a good comparison because they have similar genes and they are old enough to have (or not) that disease. I´m not saying that it should be conclusive, but it could be a counter-proof of what you just stated.

    • Stillontheroad

      100 years ago – was there Almond Milk?

      • Agent 99

        Fun fact: we’re the only creatures that cultivate almonds trees and then squish their seeds into paste and then add tons of sugar to make it super palatable.

    • Agent 99

      Super low percentage of almonds in “almond milk”, FYI.

    • Jeffrey Vernon

      Casein – the major protein of milk and cheese – is a known carcinogen? If you fed a lab mouse nothing else for a year, perhaps. But no-one ever got cancer from drinking milk, or eating cheese.

  • Archie Dunbar

    The people listen to the loonies because it is clear that other sources of information, government, media have sold out. Of course the loonies are in it for a buck to.

  • Michael Furtado

    Jesus Christ used milk and also wheat and perhaps this may be the inspiration of some of the people today who shun both those foods. They don’t love Christ, therefore they reject everything they can about Him, including His diet! I Who knows, but some people are strange enough in this day and age to adopt such kinds of lifestyles for such bizarre reasons as that!

    • Jeremy

      Idk about that but it would be great to see his followers go after the bankers like he did.

  • smokeybandit

    Good article.

    There are reasons food allergies are on the rise in kids. This is one of them

  • TexasBobA

    vegetarians taste funny. However, not tooo bad with BBQ sauce.

    • Ambientereal

      I only eat vegetarians, carnivores taste too strong.

  • Jeremy

    Coming from a society that is 1/3rd obese and 1 of three get cancer, the comments here are quite indicative.

    • Stillontheroad

      So what is your point? You just do what you think is right, if anyone else does not follow your view or path in life what is your beef with that?

    • Agent 99

      And are you some kind of Ironman athlete? What’s your BMI? Be careful of attaching such a broad brush to your wagging finger.

  • Minstrel Boy

    Clean food cannot be bad for you. Even Fred Flintstone knew enough to wash his potatoes before eating them, although I believe Sir Walter Raleigh enjoyed them skins and mud intact. He did at least cook them.
    Always best to wash the fertiliser off your celery too, before crunching into it, or blending it in the juicer. On the other hand, if you eat enough parasites you might turn into another Bear Grylls and spend hours on the lavatory in your Five Star Hotel Wilderness.

  • Burgess Krell

    Why would you eat what some tart on twitter or facebook tells you to eat? If you’re that eager to be told what to do, it is only a matter of time before you’re firing up the ovens to bake each other.

    • Jeremy

      Big companies have been telling everyone what to eat for a long time now you know.

    • sabelmouse

      why must you be misogynistic/sexist?

      • Burgess Krell

        Accurately describing a tart as such is neither misogynistic nor sexist. The truth shall be told much to the chagrin of wannabe censors. Hell, isn’t it?

  • Lisa martin

    Rev 19:20

    And the beast “0bama” was taken, and with him the false prophet “Bush” that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    5 months left and 7yrs tribulation will be up..

  • Lisa martin

    “0bama”

    BOOK OF DANIEL

    The King Who Exalts Himself

    36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his ancestors he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.[d]

    40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8

    And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

  • Elaine Farrell

    Brings to mind a woman in SF, who’s neighbors called the HS to report her cat was near death. She’s a Vegan who forced her diet on her cat, with deadly, irreversible results.

    • Agent 99

      Cats are obligate carnivores. Denying them meat IS animal abuse.

      • Callipygian

        Indeed, they are hypercarnivorous, and that’s the technical term, too : )

    • sabelmouse

      people! this all but makes me cry as our cat has some mysteries illness and won’t eat a thing.

  • Mr Charrington

    It just so happens Dr Max Pemberton, Spectator Health got paid to write this article by those who are selling the “dirty food” … propaganda…

    How about you start with truth in labeling — tell people when they are eating GMO foods or how bad corn sugar really is for you or that 98% of all Soy in this country is GMO and it’s super high in phytoestrogens that are causing people to become obese…. Thanks Mr. Monsanto for this propaganda moment. Lets not leave out all the antibiotics that science (real science that is) has found in “real milk” – or that the mean is irradiated to kill bacteria.. or that every bluefin tuna caught off the coast of California has C-137 x16 in it? eh? how about we talk about that?

    • Agent 99

      Propaganda flows both ways.
      The vast majority of obesity is exactly due to “sitting on your buttt” and too many calories inserted into mouth. Calories in, calories out. End of story.

  • Maurice Rogerson

    I’d never heard of gluten 10 years ago, and now it’s the most dangerous thing in the world to half the people I know. Yawn.

    • sabelmouse

      things change. huge surprise!

  • Wise gal

    We grew up eating my dad’s well-balanced and very healthy diabetic diet because Mom wasn’t about to cook two different meals. She figured if it was good for him, it was good for us. (Although we got pudding or ice cream for dessert…extra calcium for growing bones, while Dad had to avoid the sweets.)

  • Miss Priss

    I have been eating “clean” for decades…I’m 70 years old.
    Healthy as a horse. No nutritional deficiencies.
    Wonder if it was the diary or meat industry backed this article.
    Lovingly,
    Your Food Fad Loony who doesn’t take medication, has low cholesterol, no diseases, and seems to be doing just great for an old lady.

    • Callipygian

      A barely old lady at 70, then.

  • Agent 99

    It’s called “orthorexia”, and it’s a luxury afforded to us by an abundant, reliable, and diverse food supply.

  • Sam Huston

    What Clinton coulda, shoulda, but wouldn’t do, is abide by the laws of the land that apply to her subjects.

    This is not a surprise though because the community agitator, with the complicity of the MSM, set the tone of lawlessness and corruption the second he occupied the White House.

  • Daisytoo

    “Clean” food = anorexic restrictions on food.
    Having said that, I’ve not had any refined sugar (or any super refined foods) for about 4 months and I do feel great :)

    • Agent 99

      Waving some M&Ms at you right now 😉

      • Daisytoo

        Oh boy! But really, at this point I’m just walkin’ on by the M&M’s ..

  • http://www.earlysda.com earlysda

    While true that sometimes those calling for eating reform go over the top, most of what they teach should be common sense. For example, countries that have the highest consumption of diary products also tend to have the highest rates of osteoporosis.

    • Agent 99

      Correlation =/= causation.
      Ethnicity and a plethora of lifestyle habits (poor diet, soda consumption, lack of exercise, etc., just to name a few) are factors.

      • http://www.earlysda.com earlysda

        Agreed.
        And yet, that doesn’t change the facts.

  • Booko Ninjiin

    The comments below have absolutely nothing to do with the subject and are a waste of time to read. IMHO

  • chukalukabus

    Isabel and Lara pretty much nailed it. As a former athlete and nutrition nut, with full knowledge of physiology and biomedicine, it sounds counter intuitive, but you have to put small doses of bad things in your food supply in order to function at full capacity over the long haul.

    The human body can only build the antibodies necessary on the condition that those pathogens are actually introduced in the first place. The younger, the better. It is not that some fools are going clean food, they are going sterilized children.

    Like it or not, you have to let the kids eat some dirt every once in a while. Its good for long term health.

    • EtoculusDei

      Or…maybe eating isn’t really all that complicated. I mean….how did people survive before we had nutrition experts? And who wants to live to be one hundred…if your kids who weren’t allowed sweets or good things to eat…..pay you back by dropping you off at the local nursing home……30 years before you die.

  • Zipp1

    Class warfare dribble vaguely disguised as a poorly researched argument suggesting eating healthy is possibly not good for you? Waste of time.

    • Agent 99

      (pssst…”drivel”)

      • Zipp1

        I stand corrected, thank you. You get the point.

  • EtoculusDei

    Liberalism is and always has been about removing all joy from life.

  • treedirt10000 .

    BWAHAHAHA

  • wibbys1

    I want to stuff my fat face and then blame the food–typical of loonies. I like the statement, “If I eat too much bread I want to blame to bread.” (My paraphrase)

    • lbeacham

      And social media is not an exercise.

      • wibbys1

        :)

  • Goldmonger

    I love gluten and look for GMO products specifically.

    • lbeacham

      Anything different is to be a science-denier.

      • Agent 99

        No, puritanical attitudes inspire rebellion. Don’t you know that by now?

        • lbeacham

          Didn’t work against Gay marriage.

          • Agent 99

            I think you missed the point….

          • lbeacham

            I guess so.

  • The_MaD_HaCkER

    Since everything you eat is bad for you, The answer is easy… Just don’t eat and you will live forever. 😉

  • ShadrachSmith

    The cool thing about being a human, is that we can thrive on almost any diet. Then we got lucky, and learned to hunt. That freed us up to do other stuff during the day. Herbivores spend entirely too much time eating to be much good at anything else. Lo, the poor gorilla.

    Nobody understands the specific purposes and interactions of the different enzymes, acids, and bioems betwixt lip and chamber pot. Only hustlers pretend they know and only suckers believe them. Pretending knowledge of the unknown has brought people together for thousands of years.

    If you actually care about nutrition, buy your own groceries and cook most of your own food. If you do that, you will eat plenty healthy. If you want it to taste better, put in some salt and/or more butter and/or sugar, that works with almost everything.

    • sabelmouse

      thrive? survive you mean!?

  • Political Hostage

    Want to stay healthy? Listen to your body and eat what it is craving. Our bodies crave what they need.

    I also recommend any foods made with butter, sugar, lard, or bacon.

    • sabelmouse

      not sugar.

  • Oscar

    Written and sponsored by: American Heart Surgeons, Big Pharma [we sell you $1,000 sugar pills], EBT Card, Cheeeetoes, Magic Lard Cookies, McDonnas, Chuckie Sleeses, Pepsicko, The California Bacon and Cheese Institute, NWO, The Democrat Party, Agenda 21, Planned Parenthood [top dollar paid for fetuses, we’re running a two for one special], The World Junk Snack Committee for Anti-Gardening and the Children’s Television Workshop

    • lbeacham

      You do know Obesity come from over-eating, not eating everything and anything in moderation. Portion control and exercise some every day will set you free.

      • sabelmouse

        not necessarily.

        • lbeacham

          Care to expand comment? I’d add genetics is also a variable but the body still has to react to calories/nutrients in vs. used. Excess is stored in fat. Some of us are destined to be thin, some larger but no one should succumb to being obese. Eat some, but less, of everything and exercise more to get to the healthy BMI and waistline proportion. Sleep is important too.

          • sabelmouse

            type of food and sleep can be hard to come by for a variety of reasons.

          • lbeacham

            ???? I’m assuming you’re in America. Food staples are plentiful fresh, canned and frozen; take your choice, all meet body requirements. Resource problems? Food stamps, extended family, friends and church provide for the hard cases/periods in life. Short on funds? Skip all but real food. No snacks (I would never give up 2 beers a day). Sleep can be tough. Medical conditions like apnea and age is challenging. My wife, ever since menopause, has difficulty. After many years of experimenting, over the counter Benadryl before bed helps best and safest. Bottom line is food needed in moderation, moderate exercise and rest each day is available to all at little cost. It’s everything else in life that seeks to make things difficult. Good luck.

          • sabelmouse

            i’m not but i read.

          • Agent 99

            Always finding an excuse or someone else to blame is not eliciting sympathy, sabel.
            Add whining to that list.

          • sabelmouse

            i’m not trying to get your sympathy.

  • TAG

    Grow your own food and you’ll appreciate the soil, the bugs, the misshapen and the color-un-enhanced.

  • BG

    You know what all this fad eating stuff has led to? Paranoia about food and allergies. It’s impossible to host a dinner party or bring a treat to school for the class anymore. First, absolutely nothing with peanuts and that includes anything baked in a facility with peanuts, then there’s at least three or four in the gluten free crowd. Justin can’t consume red dye, and Rachel is vegan. Ole Billy is lactose intolerant while Sally can’t have sugar. John eats low fat and anything chocolate is frowned upon. Pasta or bread…forget it. So what are we left with? Fat free, sugar free, dye free, gluten free, peanut free, chocolate free, carb free, cholesterol free, GMO free, all natural vegan water.

  • lore

    If you trust some random person that happens to have a food blog instead of a trained nutritionist or doctor, you get what you deserve…..

  • Atlanta Girl

    Wow. This article is such a mish-mash of misleading facts and assumptions.

    I always struggled with my weight, low fat, low carb, low calorie… I cannot recall a meal I had eaten since I was 12 that I did not think about calorie, fat grams, and later carbs.

    Then I was diagnosed with MS. The doctor handed me 6 scrips – I said I wanted to investigate and discuss options. (The side effects of many of them were down right scary.) I was discharged as a patient, labeled “non-compliant” and it would be 8 months before I would be able to see a different neurologist.

    A friend recommended an extreme version of Paleo – beyond no grain, dairy, processed foods… I had nothing to lose, so I committed to do it 100% for 30 days. Within 3 wks my chronic insomnia & joint pain gone. Completely. Over the subsequent months, many other symptoms improved or disappeared – only adjustingmy diet.

    2 yrs later. I weigh less than half of what I did when I started. I don’t obsess about my food, I don’t feel deprived at all. My doctors, who shall we say aren’t particularly versed in nutrition, say that my diet has nothing to do with my improvement. And that I cannot be healthy excluding “entire food groups”. But my labs show my inflammation, and all other markers including cholesterol are impeccable (i eat grassfed beef 3x a week and eggs as often). And I feel mu ch better – i am not “cured”, I still have many problems related to MS, but they are manageable-ish. I am still dumbfounded that instead to medication after medication, adjusting diet could impact my health so drastically.

    I have not tested to have Celiac disease. I think that partially my improvements are from the Paleo approach, but also eliminating all the GMOs and chemicals.

    So as much as you taunt those who eat clean – it can benefit many more people than Celiacs.

    Amusingly, in the US, many areas offer double the value of food stamps when they buy locally -grown organic fruits, veggies, meats.

  • Serah

    It is very simple, there are only 3 groups of good foods, Veggies and fruits, Meats and by products of animals (birds) like milk, eggs, butter, cheese and yogurt and when you include the wheat and rye (pasta) and breads, you are all set.
    That is all I buy and nothing else and occasional natural ice cream.

  • HowardB1

    At age 65 I’ve seen so many fad diets come and go over my lifetime I couldn’t begin to count them. Critical thinking goes a long ways, just follow the money…

  • WheresMyReacharound?

    How do you know when someone is gluten free?

    Oh, don’t worry. They WILL tell you.

  • ra

    There is only one for me.
    The Food Babe.
    https://twitter.com/thefoodbabe

  • JohnFLob

    Wait until next year and just the opposite will be all the rage. Everything bad this year is good next, as with eggs. If it tastes good it is bad.

  • Leslie

    To me, “clean eating” is nothing more than cutting out the chemical laden processed foods & GMO’s, anything more than that is an obsession. Learn what causes cancer & avoid those things, it’s just that simple.

  • http://www.infobarrel.com/users/tanocalvenoa Jonathan Nielsen

    This is about the most retardedly-written ignorant piece of crap propaganda I’ve read in the mainstream media, and they do this sort of thing all the time (write crap propaganda for their corporate masters). Who the hell are these “wellness gurus” you’re trying to scare everyone from? I practice holistic health and alternative medicine, yet nearly everything you accuse the so-called “wellness gurus” of is something almost nobody says or advocates. Most “alternative” (< means not suppported by corporations and the corporatist governments because it cuts into their profits) health doctors and nutritionists give really good advice that actually is based on science. It's most of the conventional advice that's pseudoscientific bullcrap with very little foundation in reality.

    • Solage 1386

      Would you like a turkey twizzler?

  • Leffa Fairy

    This was very frustrating to read I couldn’t get past half way because it sounded like someone ranting about all the alternative food options out there. As for myself I eat a lot of those items and not as a fad but out of necessity. I went to multiple doctors and had blood tests and have been adjusting my diet to address the chronic inflammation that I have been suffering with. The last adjustment was quite depressing taking out all dairy, yeast and other things that I had been eating regularly that are standard healthy food. My inflammation that I’ve been dealing with for years now is gone unless I eat those items again. I have NOT been diagnosed with crones, celiac or anything else that explains my problem so having more options keeps me from being absolutely depressed when it comes time to eat. So people need to remember that there are many people aren’t eating this way because it’s what everyone else is doing. I know many people on special diets for medical conditions not because it’s cool. Seriously what’s cool about not eating butter, ice cream and cake, it’s so frustrating. I think about eating those things but you know what it usually gives me diarrhea and days of a painful inflamed belly that looks like I blew it up like a balloon and my normal clothes have all become loose fitting as a result of the pain.

    • Leffa Fairy

      And as a note I’m not overweight or underweight. Between cutting out the last items, I loved having cheese for a snack, and from working out this past couple of months the fat I did have has been being traded in for muscle weight.

  • Solage 1386

    Does anyone have the recipe for deep-fried mars bars? I’m gagging for one. Haute cuisine par excellence.

  • gphx

    This article is so stupid I wouldn’t even know where to begin trashing it.

  • Robert Caleb Potter

    I HATE it when I accidentally buy the ‘lite’ product which always tastes like a cheaper watered down version. And why isn’t tuna ‘white’ anymore? I wish folks would leave some things alone.

  • Sumner_Vengeance

    With any luck these trendsetters won’t breed.

  • Solage 1386

    It must be quite nightmarish for a vegan to exist in a universe such as this, in which living beings can only survive by devouring other living beings–whether plant or animal. Nature is one long scream of agony. Harmony is not possible. No, vegans, you are not pure, you are not above, or outside of, or somehow beyond the chaos and discord which surrounds you. You are inextricably part of it. I am munching on a turkey burger as I type these metaphysical musings.

    “The world is chaos, nothingness its true messiah”. (Georg Buchner,1835)

  • Kath Glover

    The NHS prescribes gluten free foods only for confirmed coeliacs, not for fad dieters or anyone who asks. It’s important to get this right!

  • Solage 1386

    Do vegans swallow or spit when performing fellatio? This is a matter which has often puzzled me…..

  • Ken Pataska

    Lefttards – stupid enough to buy this sh_t…..

  • Jack_Kennedy

    always entertaining to see what the loons are going to pull next …………. and the mooks/mooches/zerobots eat it up

  • cmp679

    It’s common sense to eat food as close to its natural state as possible and much of what we eat is far from that thanks to food manufacturers substituting natural ingredients for longer lasting and cheaper alternatives. And seeing how wrong the official dietary bodies got saturated fat I’m inclined to take their expert advise with a pinch of purified sea salt. Also, why not shine the spotlight on the pharmaceutical industry and the harm it does which far outweighs anything in this article.

  • Dale

    An excellent article! These youngster pop up out of the blue, and become self-proclaimed experts on what we should be eating, while they possess no learning or qualifications on nutrition.

  • SpiritofMencken

    I personally know three persons who got serious food poisoning from a ‘raw food only’ diet and one who needed a kidney transplant after hepatitis attributed to ‘dirty produce’ from her raw food diet. So, whatever you’re eating, keep in mind that the food distribution chain is lengthy and not always carefully monitored unless you can actually buy fresh produce from reputable local farmers…which only a tiny percentage of people are able to do.
    And consider, carefully, all the wonderful spices and herbs imported from foreign markets. Go online and just look at the wonderful ‘colorful’ markets full of exposed, unprotected produce and produce by-products in open air markets in, to be honest, filthy conditions in under-developed countries. Most of that stuff is sprayed with seriously-suspect chemicals before entering your country. What does that suggest in terms of ‘healthfulness.’ I mean, really, a little bit of research can go a long in creating informed consumers who can think for themselves and see through the marketing hype from corporations AND the anti-corporate agenda-pushers who, themselves, have a profit motive.

  • emersonushc13

    After years of chronic complications and a lot of trial and error I found gluten worsens my concussion-based neurological issues. It makes me feel drunk without the fun parts. Even if a fad I’m glad there’s more choices and maybe one day they’ll figure out how to make gluten-free bread that doesn’t resemble a brick.

  • bonnieblue2A

    I urge all to read the book “Brain Maker” by David Perlmutter M.D. . The underlying nutritional cusses of what have become chronic diseases in the USA should no longer be ignored.

    If you want to know what is in your food, visit your local cal CSA farmer. Plant your own gardens, put together a backyard chicken flock to process your lawn and food waste. Food freedom is a natural human right.

  • Daniel S. Thompson

    We should all pay no attention to our bodies’ response to cleaner foods – and alternative therapies – “because poverty”? Poor people tend to higher illiteracy also – should we stop reading? Gluten causes inflammation – in everybody. The inflammation cycle (inflammation – pain – more inflammation…) is at the root of many, many chronic illnesses. People are getting off gluten by the millions now because THEY FEEL BETTER. The global corporate fascist oligopoly and its controlled media pay journalist whores to write hit pieces like this because THEY’RE LOSING MONEY. You also have to ask yourself why they have us scrubbing out every yogurt container and obsessing with guilt about our “footprint” – while they pump exponentially more pesticide into the aquafers via pesticide-resistant GMO technology, and destroy entire ecosystems with fracking, deforestation, and pumping toxic runoff and nuclear waste into the oceans.

  • Sooty Smith

    I would expect The Spectator to know better than to effectively label Coeliac disease as a fad. It is an autoimmune disorder in which the body attacks itself if it is fed gluten. Prescribing gluten-free food is nothing new, and not unreasonable.

  • Hank Vreeland

    News Flash! Grease tastes good!

    • Bo Jiden

      A calorie is a unit to measure how good food tastes.

  • skswig

    I love Gluten, I like to line up a fat rail of it and hoover it up. I’ll mainline that sheet, finish off a 7g rock of it. It’s gooood.

  • jim

    Real Biology: If it tastes good, it’s good for you. Don’t eat the same thing every day. If you can’t see your feet when you look down, go for a walk.

    Fake Biology: Every “guru” discussed in this article!

  • Wade Burchette

    This story caught my interest. I have cousins who eat “healthy”, the hippie way. They are vegetarians and they look unhealthy. They only eat organic non-GMO vegetables, whatever organic really means. They are the kind of people who have a never-ending grudge against Monsanto. “Monsanto GMO is ruining our diets and farmers!” Oh yeah? Did you ask farmers about Monsanto like I did? No, of course not. That would require facts, research, logic. That is not the hippie way.

    I ask every vegetarian this question: Where do you get your vitamin B12? This is a nutrient you can only get from meat. It is important for the brain and skin. The body does not like vitamins that aren’t from foods. Almost all vitamins from pills leaves the body when you pee. So your diet must be the source for your nutrients. And that requires foods from animals and plants.

    If humans were not meant to eat meat, why do we have canine teeth? If you believe in God (I do), why did he give us these teeth? If you don’t believe in God, why did evolution give us these teeth?

    I do buy expensive meats because it tastes better. And I believe strongly that animals should be raised in fields because it makes them taste better.

    • lbeacham

      Monsanto’s Round-Up-Ready technology is an example of real science enabling millions in the world avoid near starvation and the misery it accompanies, not to mention lower prices higher yields afford. There is zero data that it’s bad for health. Just fears. GMO’s are in the same category. Some don’t want to eat it? Don’t and shut up, I say. Many more need these benefits. “Clean food” is the latest in a long line of fads that have come and gone in my 61 years.

    • Bo Jiden

      Look up the news story about the idiot hippie couple whose infant died of malnutrition because they were just so sure it would be fine on a vegan diet. Morons.

  • Pepperspray137

    My mother in law is actually allergic to gluten, and half of the restaurants out there say gluten free, but are not. They cater to the dumba$$es who eat for fashion rather than nutrition.

  • Jose

    I want gluten enriched, whole fat, meat with enough antibodies to clear up a bad dose of the clap and lettuce that tastes like bug spray and was fertilized with human crap. The hell with you all.

    • Agent 99

      I know what you mean. Their “holier-than-thou” preachy attitude is a bit much. We’re all lucky we have the luxury of being so incredibly picky about the calories we consume to sustain us.

      “I’ll take the ribeye and the sweet potato fries, please….”

      • Jose

        And don’t forget to bring the extra order of bacon with that.

  • suzsez

    No one needs milk who is over the age of 2-3, and no one EVER needs milk from another species!! (Ewe!). There are far better & denser sources of calcium. And if the American wheat farmers hadn’t started spraying Roundup herbicide just before harvest to make harvesting easier, thereby making so many people sick, maybe people wouldn’t be rejecting bread & pasta products enmass.

    The new common sense is, “If it makes you sick, stop eating it!”. No Monsanto-payrolled “scientists”, no snotty science writers pumping The Spectator’s pesticide-as-food sponsors, are going to overcome that truth.

    “If it makes you sick, stop eating it.”

    • Agent 99

      There’s NOTHING wrong with consuming milk “from another species”. In fact, I *especially* like milk from other herbivorous species, like cows, goats, and sheep –and the delicious cheeses that our ancestors developed as a way to store food in the absence of refrigeration. And butter….
      I don’t mind that you’re against drinking milk yourself, but it sounds like you’re wagging your finger at those that do. Keep your religion to yourself.

      • Bo Jiden

        People drinking milk for 1000’s of years and now someone says it’s bad for you. *roll eyes*

    • Jeffrey Vernon

      Milk doesn’t make me sick. May I continue to drink it, please?
      No-one needs milk; but then no-one needs most foods. You could live on a diet of carrots, chicken livers and red peppers and nothing else.

  • CommonSense033

    The author of this article clearly does not know anyone who actually has a wheat allergy, who can be sent to the bathroom for the day by acccidentally ingesting gluten.

    Perhaps next, they willl attack handicapped parking spots?

    • Jose

      When a 40 something fatty pulls into one in front of food lion, gets out smoking a cigarette maybe they should move the HC spots to the back of the lot.

      • Ruth Kaempf

        We don’t have food lions where I live but I’ve observed the same as you outside Costco. Then there is the occasional low slung Mercedes sports car with a fit looking driver hopping out and sprinting to the store entrance (presumably to make it back before a security guard is called).

  • Billy.Cos…I can.

    A women’s social value ..her net worth ..is determined by the number of humans interesting in penetrating her .

    I bet if females Stay skinny , they get more power in later life ..because rather than being a bloated hormone deficient nag ..Like Hillary Clinton for example…men would still want to penetrate them hence net worth , social status ..etc etc ..all would be “trending” on twitter ..especially if one was to post bikini shots .,..I bet.

    • coldfear

      I find your lack of faith…Disturbing.

    • sabelmouse

      nice job of reducing women to objects. not that all men want to f**k near skeletons.

  • Blue

    While attempting to eat less processed foods and not eat things with non-food ingredients is a good thing this movement, like so much else, has gone way too far. Just another bit of silliness for the gullible, brainwashed masses to needlessly spend money on.

  • Allen917

    Just remember, There was a time when everyone ate natural, organic foods, and their life expectancy was less than 45 years. I think that should tell you a lot about natural organic foods.

    • sabelmouse

      you seem to think one led to the other. huge logic fail. there are many reasons for this, leaving aside that such things as average life expectancy is pretty useless in the first place.
      people mainly died of poverty, as they do now.

      • Agent 99

        “Died of poverty”

        Please explain, and please include why impoverished people (in the western world) are living longer.

        • sabelmouse

          please proof that they are and what you compare that too. averages mean nothing. if 9 die in infancy and 1 lives to a hundred what is the average and what does it mean?
          unless we know exactly who lives how long and why we know nothing. plenty of people lived till 70/80 in the 18 hundreds for instance. not the very poor,, nor soldiers and sailors so much, or women.
          this is actually quite complicated but it helps to read a lot of history.

          • Agent 99

            People did in fact die much earlier on average from horrible communicable diseases (including STDs), starvation, tooth loss and associated infections, childbirth, malnutrition, hard physical labor and accidents, bone fractures and injuries, sepsis, wounds/bacterial infections, untreated cancers, battle injuries, etc. The AVERAGE lifespan was much shorter due to these and other perils. Forty-five years old was not considered “middle age” back in the day.

            Class as we now know it was not a factor when it came to disease transmission or cancer.

            Since you seem to want to make this a class issue, poor Americans do in fact live longer now than the average American did just over a century ago. If they’re obese, that affects quality of life, certainly, but overall length of life has in fact increased.
            It’s you who needs to polish up on his/her attention to history and the procurement of food and calories in it.

          • Agent 99

            (And not to be pedantic, but I think you meant to say “prove” and not “proof”…hopefully.)

          • sabelmouse

            i would call that pedantic.

          • Agent 99

            Well I would call your unintentional misuse of a word ignorant.

          • Proponent

            And I would call you a pedant, Sabelmouse.. but.. that’s just me being pedantic.

        • sabelmouse

          can’t edit for some reason. many die young/ish now as well, for a variety of reasons but mainly tom do with the short and long term effects of poverty and social injustice.
          having enough food overall sure is help though the way things have been going with industrially produced junk that is well outbalanced again to the negative as far as actual health is concerned.

          • Agent 99

            “Social injustice” makes you eat too much for your own good? It makes you choose drinking sugary soda over water? Please explain.

          • sabelmouse

            i don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • Agent 99

            You brought up “social injustice” as a having a long-term effect on a person’s lifespan.

          • sabelmouse

            doesn’t explain soda.

          • sabelmouse

            or overeating?!?

          • Agent 99

            When you vaguely refer to “social injustice” as an alleged reason that lives are shorter in the context of a discussion about food and diet, YOU need to explain that.

          • sabelmouse

            unequal access to good food, decent living condition, clean water, lack of pollution [ poor, often poc, are more likely to live in areas with heavy industry] lack of access to health care,unsafe living conditions of all kinds,long working hours , financial insecurity,increased stress because of all that.i’m sure there’s more that i can’t think of now.

          • Agent 99

            And that’s why plenty of FREE food is available with EBT cards, free and subsidized housing, free and subsidized healthcare, etc. (courtesy of the benevolent taxpayers).

            Go on…

          • sabelmouse

            doesn’t seem to work very well.

          • Agent 99

            Therefore: sometimes there is no way to save people from their own errors, no matter what their income level (or level of dependence on others) is, or how much money you (and/or a nannystate government) throw at the issue.

            Let people figure it out for themselves and manage their own problems. They’re not complete idiots that need constant supervision from paternalistic do-gooders (like you) to save them from themselves.

          • sabelmouse

            yeah, just look at what those workhouses did in the olden days.

          • Ruth Kaempf

            You forgot to mention the number of kids being produced by those that are unable to feed them.

          • sabelmouse

            of course, the breeding poor, the root of all evil.

          • Ruth Kaempf

            Social injustice is just the latest trend being pushed by those that would make money on it.

  • Ernst Goldman

    So, high fructose corn syrup and GMO-ed grains are all good, but organic carrots and quinoa are dangerous in the bizzarro world of corporatist prostitute media?

    • JoeCasepack

      I missed the warning about organic carrots.

  • Bo Jiden

    Here’s a diet tip: quit worrying about whatever the latest product-hocking miracle worker says and eat what you want. You might want to consider ingesting it in moderation and be sure to get some stuff you know is good for you, like fiber and some veggies. Have a filet mignon, just make sure it’s not bigger than your head. Then go out and get some exercise.

    Your grandparents didn’t worry about all this stupid stuff because they didn’t live in such a pampered environment. They had to do a little manual labor and they stressed about real problems. My great grandparents lived well into their 90’s. My grandmother is 96 and I’ve never once heard her praising a vegan diet (gag) or worrying about gluten. She did, however, drink lots of Pepsi and eat plenty of cookies, bacon and eggs, and hot dogs.

    If all these hyper-concerned eaters have any actual health problems, perhaps it’s caused by self-induced stress over not eating the latest trendy garbage.

  • Tom

    Lots of money to be made in a society full of neurotic people.

  • John Trefry

    Try eating “clean” or healthy for 30 days, see how you feel, then re-read this piece of bad advice. Every body is different , but our main stream food supply is filled with chemicals that we were not designed to eat. That is not even arguable. What kind of a plant does monosodium glutamate grow on? Why does a bottle of juice need artificial flavors and coloring added? Simple. No conspiracy here… facts supported by health data from “undeveloped” areas.

    • Agent 99

      And beware of the placebo effect while you do the trial. The mind is a very powerful thing.

      • tedlv

        Not John’s…

  • resistancenow

    [Those low-carb diets? Research suggests they ‘don’t seem to help people lose weight and keep it off’.] The above article is misleading, a Harvard study showing that low carb diets do work and are very good at reducing trycliceride levels. Eating healthy whole unprocessed foods is not a fad.
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/low-carbohydrate-diets/
    Here is another study: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022207
    Here is an article that writes about with links to multiple scientific studies.
    http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

  • Reg Dunlop

    Translation =:Junk Food Magnates Are Losing Money

  • Buck Wicker

    This article is a very obvious Monsanto plug ad. Designed to make people question their Doctors. Gluten free is not a fad, it’s the truth. Wheat has been so modified it itself is what’s causing this VERY SERIOUS EPIDEMIC. MONSANTO will pay these hack writers to spew their social shaming lies and filth.wake up people. It’s a genocide by GMOs it’s written in stone.

    • Agent 99

      So what do you do about arsenic-laden rice flour used as a substitute for wheat (and similar) flour? Depending on what region and soil the rice is grown in, arsenic levels can be unacceptably high. Then what?

      • WBCarson

        That is just the nature of how rice has to be grown. Oh, and where it is grown. That being said Golden Rice, which is one of the first “gmo” foods is credited with saving countless lives across the world.

        • Agent 99

          Yes. This whole discussion is a consequence of us having plenty of readily available, easy-to-consume food. We have the luxury of picking and choosing –and complaining about– what we eat. We don’t know what real starvation is like or real food hardship. Things could change in a heartbeat.
          I knew a man whose grandmother lived in St. Petersburg, Russia during WWII. The starvation was so dire that people ate the SOIL outside of a butter factory to obtain some calories. No kidding.

          • WBCarson

            True, we are victims of our own success, which is nothing to be down about. Only a comfortable society with plenty can be so smug.
            With WW2 in mind we have to be conscious of how quickly plenty can turn into starvation.

      • tedlv

        Especially if the farms are downriver from an EPA site.

      • Buck Wicker

        Potatoes. Lots of potatoes. Stay away from corn unless you want kids with organs born outside their bodies.read Hawaii news today….

      • Buck Wicker

        I’ll take arsenic over roundup any day.

      • Buck Wicker

        Arsenic has less evidence of being poison than roundup or any GMOs product.

    • tedlv

      That statement smacks of paranoia, at the very least.

      It also smacks of jealousy – they produce food that feeds starving people and make – gasp, choke, MONEY! Rid the planet of these evil people./s

      • Buck Wicker
      • Buck Wicker

        Where are MONSANTO feeding starving people? Source please?…. Last I checked selling someone unviable seed isn’t helping them but hurting them. African nations HAVING to purchase the seed each crop is not sustainable nor is it just. They would need to profit of the crops to purchase the seed for the next crop… Great business model for Monsanto, but the poor in these countries would still lack access to these grains. They would likely be forced to sell them in another market to survive, very much like how are farmers are forced to give it away today.

    • Jeffrey Vernon

      This is simply incoherent. Even if wheat has been modified to resist pesticides, that is simply irrelevant to the presence of gluten. You can relax; no GM wheat is commercially available, so that’s one problem you needn’t worry about.

  • TexanForever

    I don’t really give a rat’s a$$ whether it’s “organic or not. I just want it to be real and not adulterated. Try to find ice cream anywhere that doesn’t have seaweed (carageenan) as a thickener to make it seem “richer and better.” Same goes for choc. milk.

    Most artificial vanillas list anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) as an ingredient. And how about those fruits (apples) and vegetables (rutabagas) encased in wax “to preserve freshness”? … Man, I bet that wax is really good for cleaning out clogged blood vessels and arteries. One interesting fact, though; tomato catsup is actually better for you than fresh tomatoes. Seems that the heat from cooking tomatoes breaks down cell membranes and releases many vitamins and enzymes otherwise unaccessible. Reagan caught hell from uneducated health nuts for this when he had school cafeterias list catsup as a vegetable.

    • Callipygian

      Your point makes more sense if you leave it at cooked tomatoes by themselves, rather than ketchup (preferred spelling for me), which includes a lot of sugar.

      • tedlv

        Sugar is an essential dietary ingredient. It is not evil, nor are salt and butter, which are universally vilified by people that think they know something, but really don’t. Did you know Saccharin has been completely exonerated in the “causes cancer” category? I have been told that peanut butter can kill me. I have been told mustard will give me cancer. The anti-foodies are insane, and don’t deserve an audience.

        • Callipygian

          I didn’t say sugar is evil. I just said that cooked tomatoes are better than ketchup from a nutritional standpoint, in comparison with raw ones.

        • red2black

          Refined white sugar?

      • Ruth Kaempf

        Exactly. It is also true that cooked carrots and cooked spinach are more nutritionally valuable than raw. Ketchup is loaded with sugars.

  • WBCarson

    Eat and work like your grandparents and you will live as long as they did.
    My grandparents used Seven dust a lot. If not the bugs would literally eat everything on the vine then the vines themselves. Just wash the veggies well before you eat them. They also used a balanced granular type fertilizer as well.
    They raised cattle. Cattle have to have mandated shots for diseases. They get pink eye, you use a topical antibiotic. They are animals and things happen and they will get sick and spread it to the herd. They also supplemented their diet with corn. Grass only raised beef lacks good marbling and that affects taste and tenderness. Fortified molasses poured on hay gives them minerals and helps their appetite.
    It really boils down to stop eating quicky mart cr-p and exercise.

  • powerson

    The problem is that people are realizing that our food supply has become quite “unnatural”. Too many pesticides, GMOs, and dangerous preservatives are making consuners wary of eating whatever food is offered.

    I myself try to buy organic and natural non-gmo food whenever it is available and I can afford it.

    It is an undisputed fact that we are what we eat and therefore our health depends on what we eat.

    Big Food wants to keep us buying unhealthy gmo food while Big Pharma and the Medical Mafia wants to keep us sick as to not detour their profits.

    • WBCarson

      Buying local, like people used to do, helps. When we have tomatoes being shipped from 1500 miles away the industry develops tomato which do not rot as fast and can handle the shipping-but it leads to a tomato that tastes bland

      • Ruth Kaempf

        These days almost anybody with a tiny space on a balcony can grow a tomato plant in a container, not to mention, parsley and watercress.

  • Gentry

    The moon bats are everywhere.

    • Agent 99

      And they’re the pesky, preachy sort. The worst kind. Gimme some Cheetos, quick, before they’re banned.

      • WBCarson

        Its the whole smug, elitist mentality. Like Mrs. Obamas butting into school lunches. Kids arnt fat because of the one meal a day they get from school. When i was in elementary we had gym plus 2 recesses a day and time after lunch to run around.
        Now kids sit in virtually windowless schools toiling over trig in 4th grade so teachers unions and know it alls can say the school standards are higher. Yet test scores continue to decline and kids continue to get fatter.

        • Agent 99

          My parents wouldn’t let us leave the table until we cleared our plates, including the broccoli (ugh). We were brought up to not waste food and to respect the person who made it by eating all of it.

          And I still have a low BMI.

          • WBCarson

            I know, i still HATE seeing food go into the garbage because that is my money being thrown away!
            My wife has 2 friends who are teachers, one being a kindergarten teacher.
            The parents pack the lunch and its a poptart, bag of chips and a cool aid juice box. Red juice, of course. She had to send a note home telling them to pack good lunches and giving examples.
            Her kids do not know how to eat fruit that isnt already cut up. No idea how to peel an orange and when the school had chicken legs they didnt know how to eat it, nor could they even identify it as a part of a chicken-it wasnt in nugget form
            Amazing!

      • steve

        don’t you hate judgmental people?

        • WBCarson

          ..only the ones who dont believe as I do. :-)

        • Agent 99

          And therein lies the irony. =)

  • Shaun Pearman

    The so called “mainstream” nutrition experts upon whom the authors rely as authoritative to dispute the advice of the new people in the food industry are so smart that their advice has given us about a 40% obesity rate in the US and UK populations as well as about a 1 in 82 (or worse) autism rate. If we keep listening to experts like them, soon the obesity rate will be 80% (with 25% being morbid obesity) and autism will be at one of every two children born. We have celiac in our family and our physicians were never wise enough to check to see if this was possibly the case of many of our health problems. I had to figure out the gluten problems myself by reading the information from the newbies that this article criticizes. The arrogant traditional food recommendations that the mainstreamers continue to spew out is often old, not science based and simply wrong.

  • Jim B.

    Yes…by all means…;let’s listen instead to the BS that the government feeds us about the GMO foods they’re forcing on us now. We all KNOW the government doesn’t have an agenda, RIGHT???? SMH

  • Cloud Rider

    Moderation in all things. If that fails to work, try moderation.

  • Jljlmjlmn_Prprsprst

    Anti-racists say there is a RACE problem that can only be solved when
    the third world pours into EVERY White country and “assimilates.”

    What if I said there was a RACE problem that could only be solved if
    hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black
    country? How long before people realize I’m not talking about a RACE
    problem, but the conclusion to the BLACK problem?

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

    • red2black

      What if the anti-racist is Black, or any other non-White colour?

  • DJ Yates

    This “hit piece” on these dietary “trends”, is big on conventional nutritional narrative, but gets a flat out grade of “F” on the science and biochemistry of nutrition. It is a veritable orgy of “fad google search results” and food industry propaganda. I will give the author this… yes, dietary changes based on fads and poorly implemented dietary ignorance won’t do much for your health.

    That said… this is a puff piece… and should raise suspicions about the motive and agenda behind it.

    No need to go in depth in refuting it… anyone who can put together a decent Google search phrase can find the truth.

    Milk… high in calcium… and very poor calcium bioavailability.

    “The Hemsley sisters write on their site that gluten ‘breaks down the
    microvilli in your small intestine, eventually letting particles of your
    food leach into your bloodstream, which is referred to as “leaky gut
    syndrome”’. This can be the case, but only for those suffering from
    coeliac disease””

    Really? Coeliac disease is at the far end of the gluten intolerance spectrum… but more than 70% of the general population is reactive to dietary gluten, as well as lectins. No, they don’t become violently ill, like some coelics do… but they have a spectrum of other symptoms, and they all have an inflammatory response.

    The falsehoods in this article center around a single serious issue, that the science of the last few years has established as irrevocable: most serious first world health issue, from cancer and autoimmune diseases to diabetes and cardio-vascular disease… are directly related to the amount of systemic inflammation an individual is subjected to.

    The issue isn’t carbs, per say… it is the SOURCE of carbs… and nearly ALL grains have lectins in them that incite significant systemic inflammation. So, call these issues “fads” all you want… the science is in, and has been for years.

    Systemic inflammation is at the root of nearly all the health woes of the western world, and most doctors who keep up on the research have known it for some time.

    Deal with it… and quit propagandizing the public by trying to marginalize people who are tired of feeling sick… and who have changed their diets and feel better now.

  • Layne Norton

    Just going to address all the food zealots in the comments very simply: “that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” ~Christopher Hitchens. FYI evidence is NOT Natural News.

  • FresnoJohn

    The gluten Free diet is a total scam. There is only one small segment of society that benefits from it, and that is people suffering from Celiac Disease, which is diagnosed during a colonoscopy form a gastroenterologist. No other reason in the world to remove gluten from your diet or waste your money fooling yourself that you’re feeling better because of the lack of the died. If you truly do feel better on that diet, then you NEED to get a colonoscopy to confirm.

  • Lorinda

    To all responders who embrace GMOs: please locate and eat as many as you can.

    • tedlv

      Do you realize everything you eat is genetically modified? That started in the stone age, when better crops were used for seed, while inferior crops were simply eaten, but not allowed to reproduce. You GMO wackos need to get an education.

      • Agent 99

        I think the GMO fear comes from the fact that scientists are bypassing normal sexual reproduction for the creation of new strains.

      • Lorinda

        You do know there is a difference between selective breeding and genetically modification, don’t you? If you think that somehow corn could magically take on pesticide DNA, you’re the one who needs an education. And again – please find and eat as much GMO as you can.

  • Nic Valle

    No one is stopping anyone from eating their Gmo enhanced,processed, chemically laden crap. Eat away. Bon aperitit!

  • mrsharfer

    Stay away from ANY food taboos. It is just a matter of a little time before they are debunked. It is just a process that people who won’t work, get rich!

    • tedlv

      Two taboos come to mind immediately: salt, and butter. Both taboos have been proven to be completely false.

  • JoeCasepack

    Anyone taking nutritional advice from 23 yr-old’s deserves what they get.

  • jtom

    Since we have conquered many diseases, particularly those which once killed millions of children, nature’s best weapon thin the herd at this time is stupidity.
    Let Darwinism remove these people from the gene pool. Trying to convice them they are wrong would be like trying to teach a pig to sing.

  • Gerry C

    I could care less if people spend 150% more on food. My only concern is that these are the type of people that will someday demand that we all have to do the same thing.

    • Agent 99

      They (those types of people, ahem) tend to legislate their food morality. Example: Weirdly liberal New York City banning 32 oz. sweetened beverages, trans-fats, and salt.

      I’d rather the free market decide, when people vote with their dollars and their feet. Example: the growing success of chains like Whole Foods.

  • Ben

    Interesting article, but it would have been helpful to include a link to tell ur readers what a true healthy diet rooted in Science can be found.

  • Jeri Tresler

    Wake up and smell the propaganda.

    People are turning to these alternative foods ~because~ they are becoming ill, or feeling unhealthy, with conventional diets. Eating fresh, organic food that is untainted by chemicals is just common sense if one wants good health. The article implies that this is all just to sell cookbooks, but there are enough free recipes and information online that no one ever needs to buy anything other than different groceries to make alterations to their diets.

    The bottom line is, that if these dietary changes were not actually helping people, the whole thing would have blown over already.

  • icetrout

    ah,deer season is a few days away….. YUM !

  • IbSnooker

    Studies have proven that the more a person obsesses over their diet and healthy lifestyle, the more likely they are to get hit by a bus.

    • Ruth Kaempf

      That is funny!

  • R_Swift

    People with no real problems inventing them
    .

  • brzghoff

    this is a misleading article. “clean” food is merely unprocessed food – as close to how it came out of the ground – or in the case of meat – its source. that means buying your meat fresh from the butcher and have him grind it up (or do it yourself) instead of the potentially contaminated pre-ground stuff you buy at the grocery store that contains meat from numerous cows all tossed in together. it means eating a lot of fresh veggies – raw when appropriate and cooked simply. it means staying out of the center aisles of the grocery store and instead rely on foods on the perimeter – where you find the fresh produce and meat. dairy is really okay, just avoid the processed stuff – as is legally possible. i don’t even know if its legal to sell raw milk (vs pasteurized) anymore. bread/what gluten is OKAY (as long as you don’t have celiac or chrohn’s disease) – its naturally found in wheat! just avoid the white flour and stick with bread/grain flours that are minimally processed. the anti-gluten craze is a silly fad – but for those who indulge, who really cares?

    as for organic – no one said it has more nutrients. it doesn’t. but it doesn’t have added pesticides and/or fertilizers. doesn’t mean there isn’t anything in organic food that isn’t healthy. there are chemicals that occur naturally in some produce that aren’t real good for ya either. but for those who don’t want anymore added, why not allow that market to exist if there is a demand? if you want the bright shiny pretty produce that is the result of modern chemistry – that should be available to you as long as there is a demand for it – and there obviously is.

    as for processed, that mean refined grains. white rice, white bread – extra unnecessary ingredients, colors/flavorings/preservatives. the old rule of thumb, if you can’t pronounce it, might want to reconsider eating it. avoid packaged food with more than 5-6 ingredients total. classic examples of processed food: hamburger helper, campbell’s soup, bakery items. just read the labels.

    best thing of all – no one is making you eat “clean food” you are free to purchase whatever is available at your local store.

    • aPEON

      This area is for COMMENTS—–NOT RESEARCH PAPERS—-GO

    • Ruth Kaempf

      Excellent advice.

  • aPEON

    Good food is that which you can grow—if you cannot grow it, do not eat it.

    • My 2 Cents

      Or kill it. We have a lot of venison in our freezer and my husband will bow hunt more in the fall to get venison.

      • red2black

        Heap big venison store.

    • tedlv

      Pretty much everything we eat is genetically modified. Most of the modification came about centuries ago – the best wheat, the best corn, the best cows survived. That is genetic modification. The tomato seeds or starts are genetically modified, the corn you plant is modified. There is no evil there, it’s just feeding more humans using less land.

      • Ruth Kaempf

        And we have a choice to not eat GMO foods, while the third world people don’t have that luxury.

    • Ruth Kaempf

      My parents instilled that in me and I made best efforts to pass it on to my children and grandchildren. I succeeded somewhat although not a 100% but at least all of them shun soda drinks. To us clean eating means that one washes ones fruits and veggies, ones hands before eating….etc. What can I say we are not exactly up with the trends but myself having been born before WWII I have many different ideas and habits than the generation that is enslaved by the internet. Moreover, my parents and their multiple siblings all died from old age in their high nineties and none from any disease.

  • christ_bearer

    “don’t eat clean food.. it will make you sick”…..
    Monsanto Paid Yellow Journalism at its FINEST!

    • tedlv

      My comment above to mm includes your comment as an indirect reference.

  • Defiant

    LMAO! Just a pack of goofy Liberal-Progressive hippies. Who cares what they eat? The “foodie” bloggers just preach to their own self-righteous choirs…

  • mmercier0921

    Companies and individuals who are first to profit off of leftist fads are generally the last people one should deal with regarding anything. I particularly dislike these people because they economically exploit imbeciles, usually with political cover once they make enough to contribute to the right people. Like the good EPA, who has just unleashed one of the largest ecological disasters in US history, they fly as altruists, and practice destruction of that which they control. “Clean food” is a joke. Same as free running eggs… My chickens range, and I talk to them, and they get to play with my dogs… Anyone want to buy my $30/dozen eggs, I call them “happy eggs”. Everyone comes with a little smily face sticker. Sometines I get them mixed up with the eggs I buy in bulk from the factory farm guys, but whatnot…

    • tedlv

      And the same nitwits attack the large suppliers of the food normal people eat. Good post, mm

  • http://www.danaseilhan.com Dana

    Wow.

    “It’s not entirely clear why ‘eating clean’, by avoiding gluten and certain carbohydrates, would keep people healthy. As the British Dietetic Association puts it, carbohydrates are crucial; they represent the body’s main energy supply and should make up half of each meal.”

    1. There are people who have poor reactions to grains even when they don’t have a documented allergy. Autoimmune conditions are notoriously difficult to diagnose; even celiac testing can give a false negative and you must eat gluten to undergo one of the more popularly used tests, which in a celiac sufferer is disastrous. (And if the test gives a false negative and they go back to regular gluten-eating? Even worse.) Also, grains are birdseed. We can debate all day long about whether apes should be herbivores or omnivores but one thing they are NOT is routine seed-eaters like our Western civilized culture expects us to be.

    2. Carbohydrate INTAKE is NOT crucial. GLUCOSE is crucial and your body can make it. Also your body makes enough for those tissues in your body which do not have enough (or any) mitochondria and hence must use glucose because they can’t burn fatty acids. If that weren’t true, you would die in your sleep.

    There are useful attributes to carbohydrates when we’re talking about certain types of resistant starches or soluble fibers because they can feed friendly bacteria in your gut. This is a throwback to our pre-human ape days. But you are not going to die if you don’t eat them.

    And there’s no reason for half your calories to be carbs. A person can become dietary-fat-adapted in the absence of excess carbs and be perfectly healthy, in fact this is a really good idea for type 2 diabetics, who can never go back to normal blood sugar unless they watch what they eat forever.

    And finally, GRAINS ARE NOT THE ONLY CARBS. You should be eating more VEGGIES, with fruit and nuts in lower quantities. If you really cannot get fat-adapted because you’ve got no idea what you’re doing or you’re just a metabolic weirdo, you can even up the ante and get starch from root veggies, which is also healthier than eating grains.

    3. British Dietetic Association huh? Is that funded by grain sellers and soda purveyors the way the American Dietetic Association is? Because I really want to be getting dietary advice from people funded by junk food.

    Just saying. Even without the “clean food” movement there’s a LOT wrong with your argument.

    • doctorseraphicus

      That’s all quite reasonable. I would add, though, as well as tissues which function anaerobically (parts of the kidney; the lens of the eye) that the brain requires glucose and not because it lacks mitochondria, just that it (a) lacks the ability to oxidise fatty acids and (b) even if that were not the case only oxidation of carbohydrate can deliver energy at the rate the brain requires. Certainly, in a carbohydrate-restricted diet the liver will make glucose from pyruvic acid which can be obtained from certain amino-acids – usually plentiful in the diet but in the last resort from breakdown of muscle protein.

      It’s also the case that the energy required for vigorous athletic activity cannot be met from oxidation of fatty acids but requires carbohydrates. If you see a marathon runner “hitting the wall” after 20 miles or so it is normally down to the fact that muscle glycogen – the principal energy source for most types of running – is depleted and that fatty acid oxidation alone can supply energy for approximately only 50% of the effort – you have to slow right down. Of course, not everyone is running marathons so mostly this may not matter.

      In extreme cases of carbohydrate-restricted diets, ketone bodies are formed – but I’m not sure how they compare with glucose in terms of rates of delivery to tissues and therefore ability to meet energy-requirement of, say, running a marathon.

      • Jeffrey Vernon

        You don’t reckon that lactate and ketone bodies are all that significant to brain metabolism?

        • doctorseraphicus

          Sure, but only under unusual conditions. (I suppose a part of this debate is what constitutes “usual” conditions”.) Normally, the concentration of lactate in the blood is quite low, ca 0.5 – 1.0 mM – it varies from person to person) compared with the concentration of glucose at 5.5 mM. The normal concentration of ketone bodies is even lower at less than 0.01 mM. In themselves, of course, the concentrations mean nothing in terms of the contribution of each particular substrate to generating energy: to know that you’d have to know also the rate at which each can be transported into a particular tissue and other technicalities.

          In the (normal, carbo-fed) fed state, measuring uptake of glucose by the brain (by measuring the difference in concentration of glucose in the arteries supplying the brain and veins which drain it) suggests about 95% of its energy is supplied by glucose oxidation. If you starve yourself for a week, the concentration of ketone bodies rises to approximately 5.5 mM (“ketosis”) and blood glucose drops to about 3.5 mM. Under these conditions, oxidation of ketone bodies accounts for about 70% of the brain’s energy needs. (You might think this is because glucose is precious and is so is spared, but more importantly it’s because glucose is generated by gluconeogenesis from amino-acids and the rate of consumption of amino-acids by breaking down of body protein would be rapid and catastrophic.)

          (As an aside, having written my previous comment, I did see that many people have completed marathons whilst in ketosis and with impressive times!)

          The concentration of lactate rises, for example following strenuous anaerobic exercise, to as much as 15 mM. Some research has shown that under these conditions lactate will be utilised by the brain in preference to glucose. I don’t know but I imagine the effect is short-lived.

    • Jeffrey Vernon

      It’s true that the body can make its own glucose (from fats and proteins) but normally that pathway is only only significant during fasting or after exercise. Human populations relied on bread or rice for hundreds of years – eating starch can’t have been doing that much harm. The British Dietetic Association is a professional body; while it is not funded by food corps, it does not carry out any original research, and in my view dieticians are not scientists of any kind. In the British system, dieticians work for hospitals and are dispensers of ‘official’ food advice – the kind that comes out of 40 year old nursing textbooks. It’s based on received wisdom rather than biochemistry. Their spokesmen tend to be cranks in the old fashioned sense (sugar, salt and fat will kill you, white bread comes from satan, eat more fibre, swallow 5 vegetables a day).

  • cwaggy

    Please someone develop a GMO tomato I am having terrible late season blight and would hate to spray. Of course, a GMO tomato would be healthier. Those simple resistant hybrids are just not cutting it.

    • obamaScares

      I actually have access to some special genetically modified seeds that have extra herbicides and pesticides built into the DNA structure of the seed itself. We also have modified the DNA even more by splicing in pig and rat DNA into your vegetables for further blight reduction.

      We have not done enough testing to determine the long range harm to the those who will eat your crops but what do you care? You will be able to get your produce to market faster, have less rejected produce as they will look better in the grocery store and most importantly, you will have increased your profits!

      • doctorseraphicus

        extra herbicides and pesticides built into the DNA structure of the seed itself

        You need to rephrase that. You cannot build herbicides and pesticides into the structure of DNA. Genetically-modified plants typically include genes which confer herbicide-resistance – so that competing plants can be blitzed whilst leaving the modified plant unharmed; or genes which give the plants some resistance to pests.

        But your wider point is a reasonable one.

      • cwaggy

        Using less chemicals would be the objective of using VF resistant naturally occurring in green peppers and splicing that trait into tomatoes. Increasing profits is good for everyone. There are literally hundreds of dollars to be made in agriculture!

  • PNWman

    The anti-glucose craze is unstoppable. Movie stars, models, as well as accountants and writers, assure us that giving up glucose has vastly improved their health. Of course they are giving up healthful foods like oatmeal and whole grain bread, without a shred of science to back them up.

    • obamaScares

      If you are waiting for the same profit controlled industries and their co-opted regulators to jump up and down and holding studies in their hands that will claim their highly-profitable product is not healthy to eat, it will never happen.

  • PNWman

    The greatest food fad and the most harmful is the “Frankenfood” superstition. No scientist supports it but the great unwashed are convinced of it.

    • obamaScares

      Hardly. The great unwashed are blindly accepting what Big Agriculture and Big Government tells them. Yum, yum. eat anything we develop and design for you—and the masses dutiful consume without questioning, “Like sheep to the slaughter.”

      • PNWman

        It varies, depending on social class, education, and what country you live in. e.g European scientists reject the Frankenfood craze but the great unwashed have joined it. In the US no government body has rejected glucose but many people are on glucose-free diets. The lowest layers of society happily consume junk food, salt, and saturated fats despite warnings from government bodies.

  • Grandma

    So the world is full of gullible fools and charlatans willing to profit from them. Who’d have thunk it? Perhaps you’d also like to discuss the completely wrong nutritional advice dispensed by governments, and the willingness of idiots to believe that too?

  • Kate Ward

    well, well, what a pseudo scientific article this …all business including writing your article is about commercial logic so your critical stance at these girls for having a sincere attempt at careers that make us look at all our attitudes to food and nutrition should be welcomed and more kindly examined. Post Uni most graduates are offered unpaid intern-ships having to depend on their families as jobs are more scarce than 15 years ago, these young women are brave and finding their way in a business that is fickle and heartless.
    We have been living in a world dominated by highly commercialized food production that has promoted the consumption of too much wheat, sugar and dairy and meat it is no surprise that some have developed a reaction to it…the cows and grain are not to blame here nor the ones looking for alternatives to a healthy life style.
    Every human has a very intimate relationship with food from the moment we are born it is the first thing that is offered after the slap… so how we nourish is deeply psychological and important to our mental emotional and physical health. Nutritionists and doctors have never had a better opportunity to get the nation healthy but the NHS and educationalists don’t prioritise the need for education around food and depend on the pharmaceutical industry that provides the drugs, fertilisers and bug sprays that make us unwell in the first place.. you should be congratulating these girls for waking the rest of us up!
    You have made a number of mistakes in this article and correct journalism would make sure that you got the ages and the trainings of these girls right.

  • Kate Ward

    I would like to add that governance and attitude of government around this issue has a huge hand in this and food production is all too much dominated by the the big commercial food companies and some supermarkets who are trade for large rather than modest profit and not quality just look at the food scares over the years ….. this has a detrimental affect on the planet, the food produced and where it ends up….in us……….. what we eat literally becomes us!

  • Johnny Kay

    This article is pure corporate propaganda. Read it again and note all of the common techniques of disinformation that it uses: Appeals to higher authority, exaggeration, sarcasm, ad hominem, false information, false choices, false assumptions, false associations, etc.

    In addition, note all of the disinformation trolls jumping in with their by-the-numbers comments to reinforce the official narrative.

    The intended take-away message of the article and the supporting comments is
    that the average diet is great and only fools and fanatics (certainly no one YOU would want to be identified with, right?) say otherwise. So keep eating your processed food, your gluten, your GMOs, and your high-fructose corn syrup; keep drinking your fluoridated water; and keep lining up for your vaccines — it’s all perfectly safe, and there’s something wrong with anyone who says it isn’t.

    • Agent 99

      I agree and disagree with you to some extent. There are (irrational?) extremists on the ends of any spectrum, and the truths may be located at various points in-between.
      I sense counter-propaganda coming from the food Puritans (complete with all the hard-headed quasi-religious zeal); enough to cause counter cynicism, which I think the article above illustrates.
      A lot of people’s perceived digestive problems come from their own neurotic anxiety and stressed-out sedentary lifestyles. But we’ll blame all of it on the food.
      As for “disinformation trolls” (more counter-conspiracy theory right there), there are puritanical acolytes a’plenty in these threads.
      Moderation is the key.

    • Jeffrey Vernon

      You’ll just have to accept that many – perhaps most – of us don’t think that we’re being poisoned by food (or vaccines). Small numbers of people can’t eat gluten, but that’s no basis for a political programme of food paranoia. As for the rhetorical tricks you notice – you can’t tell me that the other side never resorts to them. You’ve used some of them yourself (suggesting that anyone disagreeing with you must be a corporate shill, for example)

  • Angryword

    I’m sorry, is this a joke? “Clean Eating” does NOT have to mean over-the-top fad type recipes and food elements. Eating Clean simply means eating natural foods, avoid processed foods, be aware of what types of food trigger bad physical reactions to your own body, and curtail sugars, caffeine, and other drugs.

    This is a sensationalist article that gets its kicks from pointing out ‘fad food loonies’.

    And is following a healthy ‘fad’ diet worse than guzzling Coke and eating Doritos and fried foods? No, its not.

    So I am entirely missing the point of this article, unless it was tongue in cheek.

  • ej lin

    As a rational person with some scientific understanding and a healthy contempt for conspiracy theories, I nonetheless find it very troubling that Americans suffer disproportionately from digestive issues. I understand the problem of poor intuitive statistics (do we really suffer more, or simply treat and report cases more often?), but the fact is that real, reliable, verifiable, understandable statistics on the subject of the impact of GMOs, insecticides, organic foods, etc. are very hard to come by. To what extent are our digestive health issues attributable to too much meat, fat, preservatives, this ingredient or that, or simply lack of self control and moderation? Given the absence of available data with which to make an informed decision, I have chosen to buy organic, non-GMO. It is incredibly expensive and inconvenient, and I’m pretty sure I’m getting scammed, but the potential downside of lifelong digestive problems for my loved ones (I wouldn’t go through this trouble for myself) is too great a concern to ignore.

  • ej lin

    As a rational person with some scientific understanding and a healthy contempt for conspiracy theories, I nonetheless find it very troubling that Americans suffer disproportionately from digestive issues. I understand the problem of poor intuitive statistics (do we really suffer more, or simply treat and report cases more often?), but the fact is that real, reliable, verifiable, understandable statistics on the subject of the impact of GMOs, insecticides, organic foods, etc. are very hard to come by. To what extent are our digestive health issues attributable to too much meat, fat, preservatives, this ingredient or that, or simply lack of self control and moderation? Given the absence of available data with which to make an informed decision, I have chosen to buy organic, non-GMO. It is incredibly expensive and inconvenient, and I’m pretty sure I’m getting scammed, but the potential downside of lifelong digestive problems for my loved ones (I wouldn’t go through this trouble for myself) is too great a concern to ignore.

  • armykungfu

    To sane people “eating clean” means staying away from processed foods with unpronounceable ingredients. The only people harmed by it are people trying to sell you that stuff. You can eat all you want of meat, fish, fruits and vegetables and guess what, you will be healthy.

  • LiveFreeOrDiet

    “… carbohydrates are crucial; they represent the body’s main energy supply and should make up half of each meal.”

    If you’re suffering from excess energy storage (fat), doesn’t it make sense to reduce the body’s main energy supply (carbs)?

    • Callipygian

      Of course it does. But what confuses the issue for most people is that the real threat is HIGHLY PROCESSED and EASILY DIGESTED carbohydrates, which is to say — SUGAR* and GRAINS. I don’t normally type in caps but it’s ridiculous for people to think that cutting down on peas and beans is de rigueur while they continue to shovel down jam on toast and slather sugar-rich ketchup and sauce on their burger buns.

      *I know that the late John Yudkin drew a sharp distinction between the ‘refinement’ of wheat and rice (which doesn’t need to occur to achieve a usable foodstuff), and the ‘refinement’ of sugar (which is essential to its extraction), so that’s why I chose to comment on its ease of digestion in large quantities at one sitting, rather than on ‘refinement’ as such.

      • LiveFreeOrDiet

        Agreed. Haven’t read Yudkin.
        I was unaware “clean eating” advocates cutting out vegetables while continuing to eat refined starches and sugars. I tried getting a definition of it when I first heard of it, and what I found then seemed to have more to do with “natural” and “local” than with macronutrient content.
        For context on me: I lost more than a third of my body weight on low carb/high fat, and have kept it off for 11 years, and lost more along the way. I eat lots of “real” vegetables compared to most people. The main advantage of this to me is I maintain my weight loss without having to go hungry.

        When I say “carbs” I’m referring to grams of non-fiber carbohydrate, and I know it’s tough to eat enough string beans and broccoli in a day to equal a slice of toast with jam. :-)

        • Callipygian

          Congratulations to you. I didn’t mean to imply that any group in particular is cutting out veg in particular: my point instead is that fly-by non-researchers, or people with little interest in the subject of nutrition, can easily be confused by all the blanket talk about ‘carbs’, as if they’re all the same. (Never mind having an awareness of net carbs, as you do.) That’s all I was saying, really. People in general would be better served if articles like this one went out of their way to make that distinction between the carbs you need and want and the carbs that are probably doing more harm than good. Also, a lot of people don’t know that nearly ALL food has carbs, even cheese and eggs. So it’s not true that carbs are bad. It’s that people don’t know where they are in their diet and just what the count is per food item. That being the case, the temptation is to hang on to highly palatable foods such as fruit smoothies and high-fibre muffins, since they clearly have a certain healthiness despite the fact that they are packed to the rafters with carbs!

          • LiveFreeOrDiet

            Again, agreed. Text-only communication loses so much context.
            I didn’t realize eggs had any carbohydrate content, even that tiny 0.6g. Cool to learn something new!
            BTW, love your handle! High-brow and sexy at the same time. Very nice.

          • Callipygian

            Thanks — and thanks for the compliment: it made me laugh!

  • kane1970

    The comments here are hilarious. How many of you actually have some scientific/nutritional background, and how many of you are merely parroting what you read on some 20-year-old’s blog, in Mother Jones or on Twitter? The level of elitism, snobbery and outright paranoia is literally off the charts. Yes, all of us po’folk out here in Middle America NEED you to come down from on high and educate us about how to eat. Afta all, we gotta to cook everything over a Coleman camp stove out back behind the shed, with them pigs and hogs! Come on. This is the real world. The vast majority of Americans don’t have the time, the access or more importantly, the money, to quibble over where their food is “sourced” from or if it has one or two “unnatural” ingredients in it. They’re trying to survive. Good Lord.

  • Precambrian

    This is a foolish article.

    Clean food can be used to cover up unhealthy eating (with a claim that you are eating gluten-free etc) but clean food is about not eating food laced with chemicals that should not be there, nor over-processed, nor genetically modified.

    Are you funded by monsanto by any chance?

    • Callipygian

      nor genetically modified.
      I agree with your def up to that point, in so far as nearly ALL modern crops are ‘genetically modified’, precisely over hundreds or even thousands of years to make them more nutritious, more plentiful, and more resistant to disease. It’s called ‘agriculture’.

      • Precambrian

        Hybridisation and cross breeding/pollination is one thing.

        Gene splicing and recombinant DNA is something else.

        The latter, quite rightly, earns the label Frankenfood.

        • Callipygian

          Mm. It’s not what I’m drawn to, but if it saves lives, that’s better than nothing. And don’t forget, most organisms share most of their DNA — what matters more is the way sequences are switched on (or off).

  • blandings

    Food is a dangerous fad.
    Live on sunbeams.

    • Callipygian

      But we’ll need a lot of cucumbers for that….

      • blandings

        I grow them – now you know why.

        And don’t forget. “Jesus wants me for a sunbeam” as they sing in my local church. (Theology’s gone downhill since you left).

        • Callipygian

          Ha ha ha ha ha! (Yes, I actually ‘said’ that!)

  • Argotina

    I’m all for the current food fad for gluten free amongst those who dont need it. I DO need gluten free, for medical reasons. Fake food science gurus and fussy eaters with more money than sense, thank you, thank you. You have created a thriving market in gluten free, enough so I can even get gluten free bread at the local supermarket. Now we just have to find a way to bring down the price of these items.

  • Rupert Williams

    In my (limited) experience it’s well worth cutting out bread and other carbs as much as possible, as you can feel full without it and as a consequence eat less.

    But I agree all these food fads are ridiculous. Lucky us that we can have such problems!

  • imbenfogle

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a nice cup of typhoo is all you need. I’m Ben Fogle.

  • Heather Gray

    Thankful for the GF food, and at the least, complete labeling of food – not a “clean fad” person, actually gluten-intolerant, thanks! Agreed that one should take care to ensure all needed nutrients are in one’s diet — so if you go dairy-free, include other foods that are calcium sources, there are plenty! I’m not a foodie or anorexic, just looking for food that won’t make me ill.

  • Andy Tamata

    “everything in moderation” … if you stop and actually analyse that statement it is vague to the point of meaningless. Should I take cocaine in moderation?

  • Scylla

    What a very long and boring piece.

  • Hadrian Embalsado

    Clean eating? What are people eating? Soap? JK

  • Wow…InvestigativeJournalism

    A lot of these things have nothing to do with “Eating healthy” moron, its about the number of people who can’t shit properly or go a day without bloating until they go off of certain agitating foods, LIKE GLUTEN AND LACTOSE. Do your homework before writing a buzz word article to get more likes, and if you don’t have GI problems, congratulations! You are not the expert who should have been assigned to write about this topic <3

  • King Zog

    Well I’m going to stick with the Jeffrey Bernard Diet for now.

  • Axel Biehl

    “More common is calcium deficiency, which the NHS says can be caused by cutting out dairy products.”

    How to explain that dairy products were unknown in China, one of the oldest civilizations on earth, until introduced by westerners?

  • jim_herd

    “The overwhelming advice from the people who know a lot about nutrition
    and dietary health doesn’t seem to have changed much over the years:
    everything in moderation.”

    I couldn’t disagree more. We have finally got to the point where the fraudulent anti-dietary fat fad espoused by governments and health services around the world has been shown to be the dangerous lunacy it really is.

    Doctors are to blame for all of this as they have all but ignored nutrition when it comes to their patients and they’ve pushed the latest dietary guff from the so-called scientists who gave us the low fat diet. Patients with nutritional deficiencies such as folate, B12 and iron have gone undiagnosed for so long that they have developed other illnesses which are actually complications of malnutrition and they are being treated with expensive drugs for conditions they wouldn’t have if their nutrition had been sorted out. Furthermore, I am talking about nutritional deficiencies which simply can’t be treated with diet because it is impossible to obtain the nutrients needed from a normal diet and so supplementation is required. GPs simply don’t want to deal with these issues and even ignore clear evidence of malnutrition, choosing instead to blame the patient for their poor diet.

    If the powers that be find these fad diets so offensive, they should sort out the rot in our medical profession by insisting that they diagnose and treat nutritional problems before they reach for the drugs and their prescription pad which is what they should have been doing all along if they really believed in the Hippocratic exhortation to do no harm.

  • http://www.fastday.com/ Caroline Rees

    BDA says carbohydrates are essential and represent the body’s main source of fuel? What a load of rubbish! Humans evolved with very few carbs available for fuel, they are extremely hard to come by “in the wild”. We have only been eating grains for max the last 8000 years…how on earth does the BDA think humans survived up to then if the main source of fuel for our bodies was carbs? Why would we evolve to have a main source of fuel that is scarcely available? It makes no sense. What does make sense is that carbohydrates drive insulin resistance worsening diabetes and yet the BDA thinks that giving carbs to people who are carb intolerant makes therapeutic sense! They need to revise their physiology lessons and also try thinking logically about our evolution.

  • Linguistician

    “Ugne Bubnaityte, has denounced cake as a ‘nutritional sin’ and she hopes to win with low-fat, vegan and gluten-free recipes”
    Alas, it was not to be. She got kicked off on “free-from” week. That’s gotta sting!

  • CEK86

    A person’s diet is their personal choice. Clean, vegan, pescatarian, whatever – it’s about choice. Making comparisons to anorexia doesn’t help, and it’s not clever

  • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

    What a terrible and opinionated article; it screams: “I’m too lazy to figure out healthy food for my family; and expect everything to be handed to me (by, btw, the corrupted “food” producers who somehow sponsor me to spread misinformation and sow obfuscation ;-)” ….but the comments are priceless! 😀

    • http://americandelusion.blogspot.com/ patrick Mahoney

      i.e.

      The woman below, a “AnnJo” has a great solution that I found really works….until the food manufacturers clean up the food supply. She is a bit judgmental on poor people, so just substitute the word “Lazy” for the word “Poor” in her comment, and it works! :-)
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      “Ridiculous. You can buy a 50 lb bag of whole wheat flour for under $15 at your local restaurant supply store. At roughly 1 lb of flour per loaf and a trivial cost of yeast & salt, you can bake a highly nutritious loaf for about 35 cents. A 25 lb bag of oats will run you under $8 and with a cup of milk, provide a healthy breakfast at under 20 cents per serving. Pick up a 5 lb bag of carrots for under $4 and tell me veggies are more expensive than “sugar” in the form of soda, candy, and sweetened breakfast cereals. Some poor people spend more money on bad food because they don’t plan well and don’t learn to cook. Other poor people plan well, shop carefully and learn to cook, but they don’t stay poor for very long, so you don’t notice them.” -AnnJo

  • lnielsen

    What a useless article, full of misunderstandings and lacking in facts. The idea of clean food is to eat whole, unprocessed foods that are not filled with preservatives, antibiotics and other chemicals. There’s nothing dangerous about that; to the contrary, it’s the most sensible healthy way to eat. Nothing good can come of people reading this article.

    • Mushroom overlord

      I actually disagree, its not so.much that eating healthy is bad but how it affects ones mind. It is the paranoia that directs such behavior and the incessant worrying about how it affects ones appearance. There are always underlying assumptions associated with such behavior and they aren’t always positive.

    • Starshine

      I would disagree. This article is not about clean eating
      itself but rather how food gurus who promote holistic healthy lifestyles make
      claims that are not always true. For example, when they discussed milk and
      carbs as being bad, they are in fact not bad. It’s not like they are
      intentionally doing something wrong, it’s just they are making claims that
      could hurt people’s health if they cut out entire food groups. They also point
      out how people with eating disorders mask their eating problems by stating they
      are simply eating clean while hiding the fact they are not really eating a lot.
      These food blogs can sometimes unintentionally triggers a bad relationship with
      food. It’s important to look what is the real motivation behind clean eating
      is. That way it’s not just about weight loss but about taking care and
      respecting your body. Eating a piece of cake or ice-cream or some treat is not
      going to kill you. It’s about moderation and some of these health conscious
      people act like you should never eat certain foods and that can be harmful to self-esteem,
      where food becomes an obsession, something to control. When you say nothing
      good can come from this, I thought it presented an interesting other side to
      this clean diet craze. It’s always important to look at both sides the good and
      the bad. That way we can make informed decisions and understand all the factors
      that contribute to a perspective.

      • Carmen Park

        Right. But this was spun egregiously, prejudicially even.

        • Rosechocolate44

          I think the other person was just saying that eating healthy isn’t bad, just health crazes are bad, like cutting out food groups. I knew a girl who had an eating disorder who used such things as I can’t eat this or that. Eating chocolate or pizza isn’t going to kill you every once and awhile. It’s about moderation. Some people like eat way too little, or take vitamins or supplements, instead of real food.Eating disorders are just as bad as being overweight. You can die from both.

    • Jordan

      “Nothing good can come of people reading this article”? Sounding more than a little defensive there, seems this article really hit a nerve for you. It’s no coincidence that “healthy living” bloggers and instagrammers who tout an #eatclean lifestyle are also the ones who get called out most often for using photoshop to make themselves appear thinner. If we’re honest, 90% of the time it’s all about trying to attain physical perfection while hiding behind the less alarming facade of “clean eating.”

      • lnielsen

        I completely disagree about the premise of clean eating being a facade for trying to attain physical perfection. Most – if not all (have yet to find one exception) of the big food bloggers / influencers who are using ‘clean eating’ as a philosophy, emphasise that the way they eat is about wellness and health, not about physical looks. Most of them are talking about it in the first place because they found that eating that way helped them get rid of / lessen the symptoms of a health issue ie. IBS. They are also very focused on balance – the fact that if you eat this way 80% of the time, there’s no harm in enjoying other foods occasionally.

        Here is an outline of the issues I have with the article:

        (1) It ridicules new entries to the supermarket shelves that are in fact much healthier than what we used to have.

        The writer mentions ‘cheese and butter’ as if that was the only thing that existed before and forgets to mention that 80% of supermarket shelves are filled with preservatives and colouring agents that have turned ‘real food’ into processed packaged food as we know it today. Quote: “It used to be full of recognisable items like cheese and butter; now you find yourself bamboozled by all manner of odd alternatives such as ‘raw’ hummus, wheat-free bread and murky juices.”

        (2) It talks about food intolerances and allergies as if they are fads.

        75% of the worlds population are lactose intolerant. The number of true coeliacs is small compared to those who quit gluten but even if it isn’t a real ‘allergy’ to people (the kind that makes you itch and sneeze or breakout in hives), it is still affecting them as evidenced by all of those who have quit and feel much better for it. The reality is that when you eat white carbohydrates containing gluten in nearly all your meals (which many of us do – ie cereal for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and pasta for dinner), then it is not strange that your body starts reacting to it. The article talks about the dangers of substituting food groups (‘malnourishing yourself’) as if the majority of us aren’t already doing so with our standard american or english diet. Unfortunately most of us are not getting the right balance of macro and micronutrients from our diet and we are in fact relatively malnourished already. Quote: ‘if people do not plan really carefully for substitutes for food groups then you can end up malnourishing yourself.’ So these diets are not simply a silly fad that might leave you a little skinnier. The pursuit of wellness and ‘clean eating’ could, in the long-term, make you unwell.

        (3) It mentions that the Institute of Integrative Nutrition isn’t ‘rooted in real science’, when in fact it is… just like any other degree, it features countless qualified doctors, nutritionists and scientists as speakers and references studies from all the main medical journals. It does however question the results and outcomes and features alternative theories to open the mind of the students… since when does encouraging students to think for themselves make your institution lack credibility?

        It also mock’s bio-individuality as a concept, which is ironic because a couple of paragraphs prior to that the writer quotes an apparently qualified nutritionist who says ‘Often, these people have found that an approach works for them, and that’s great,’ says Porter. ‘But it doesn’t mean that it will work for anyone else.’ — that’s the exact same point of bio-individuality…which one is it?

        Quote: This course, based in America, claims to be a ‘movement’ working to reverse the health crisis by promoting the concept of ‘bio–individuality’ — a concept coined by its founder Joshua Rosenthal (who eats a gluten-free diet). It hinges on the idea that one person’s food is another person’s poison.

        (4) The writer references a quote by someone on ‘a popular clean eating website’ who says ‘the ‘spring rolls are easy to take to work and look like you’re actually eating proper food, lol’. Popular clean eating website?! Not really…

        A quick search revealed that this quote came from http://www.myproana.com, which in it’s own words is ‘a site dedicated to the support or recovery of those suffering from eating disorders or body dysmorphic disorders’. That is just poor misleading journalism. This is a community for girls who are truly struggling with body image and who will take whatever input they get (whether from Deliciously Ella, their parents, their school counsellor or the internet) and unfortunately twist it to fit into the way they want to eat. It wasn’t the spring rolls themselves that caused the eating disorder in the first place… eating disorders are complex psychological disorders and to suggest otherwise is plain irresponsible.

        (5) …honestly I could go on but I think the key point here is that the article is very weak on facts and is written in a way that suggests the ‘clean eating’ movement is all bad. The idea of clean eating – as I mentioned previously – is to eat whole, unprocessed foods that are not filled with preservatives, antibiotics and other chemicals. It’s focused on health, not physical appearance and the best thing the media can do is to promote this message (so that those vulnerable to wrong interpretation can understand) rather than call it a cult.

        Hope this clarifies what I meant above about the article lacking in facts and being full of misunderstandings!

      • Carmen Park

        You really do not understand facts. Again, two-thirds of Americans are obese, 45 percent of children will get diabetes before they are 18……what do you not understand? Americans are not a bunch of hyper-thin narcissists, they are fat couch potatoes dying in record numbers. Figure out what side you are gonna be on. Right now, its Monsanto’s. It isn’t health.

  • EP

    Monsanto continues to pay for articles like this to be written, I see.

  • Carmen Park

    Wow. Talk about spin. This is garbage. The vast majority of “clean eating” is dominated by leaving out the very things that are making the west fat in high numbers- sugar, fats, processed foods, etc. Character assassinating a whole food movement as “dangerous” is diabolical in the face of REAL dangers, such as heart disease, that kills more westerners than anything else (and is mostly linked to nutrition) as well as juvenile diabetes. Personally I find the fact that 2/3rds of americans are obese or overweight (TWO FREAKING THIRDS) FAR more terrifying than someone advocating eating spring rolls. Not only is this strange, its agitprop, and its lies. This writer probably got taken to a few lunches for this, if you know what I mean. Way to go. Slow clap for integrity.

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