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Aleppo Notebook: the city’s terrorist besiegers will now be besieged

Again and again I was asked: why is Britain supporting the terrorists in Syria’s civil war

13 February 2016

9:00 AM

13 February 2016

9:00 AM

I had been trying to get to Aleppo for ages, but was unable to do so because rebel activity had cut off the city from the outside world. Syrian government military successes at the start of January meant there was at last a safe road. I hired a driver, was allocated a government minder (very handy at checkpoints), and booked into a hotel. Driving north from Damascus, we picked up a 22-year-old Syrian army lieutenant called Ali, returning to his unit after eight days’ leave with his family.

We drove through Homs — miles and miles of utter devastation — and then east on to the Raqqa road. Ali told me that he had been assigned to Kuweires military airport east of Aleppo, which was under siege for three years from Al Nusra and Islamic State forces. He spoke of daily firefights against Isis fighters. For long periods his unit was entirely cut off. When Ali was shot in the chest there was no question of being airlifted out. He convalesced in a field hospital. Eventually the siege was lifted and Ali could return home and see his parents for the first time in more than two years. ‘The secret behind Kuweires was the loyalty of the soldiers. We had no tanks. I lost 82 comrades,’ said Ali. Now his unit is mopping up Islamic State positions round Al-Bab to the East of Aleppo.

When we reached Aleppo there had been no electricity for 112 days and no water for almost two weeks. Improvised mortars — gas canisters explosive enough to bring down buildings — can fall anywhere. Seventeen of the giant student dormitory blocks at the university are now set aside for displaced families from rebel-held areas. All the families have terrifying stories to tell about intimidation and murder at the hands of fanatical Al Nusra, Isis or Free Syrian army forces. These refugees are everywhere. I knocked on the door of Baron’s Hotel, the famous establishment in downtown Aleppo where Agatha Christie wrote Murder on the Orient Express. There I learnt the sad news that the charismatic owner, Armen Mazloumian, had died of a heart attack the previous week. His widow Rubina told me that he had refused to close down his hotel when the crisis began, opening his doors instead to victims of jihadi terror from the countryside.

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Aleppo’s favourite film this winter is Bridge of Spies, Steven Spielberg’s masterpiece about Cold War espionage. It is a movie that Aleppans vividly understand. They live in a place where survival means crossing enemy lines to negotiate deals about water, electricity, hostages. Aleppo has characters whose lives are even more heroic than James Donovan, the lawyer played by Tom Hanks who crossed into East Berlin to negotiate the release of Gary Powers. At the education ministry I met a schoolmistress who had just made a five-day journey through endless Islamic State checkpoints to collect her pay cheque. She was about to return home, fully conscious of what lay ahead. Syrian Army troops are advancing on her town. ‘Islamic State will turn us into human shields,’ she told me.

My time in Aleppo coincided with the turning point in the Syrian civil war. Assad’s forces, with the help of Russian air power, cut off the line of supply from the Turkish border to the jihadist forces encircling the government-held areas of the city. Deprived of fresh fighters, guns and ammunition from their Turkish sponsors, Al Nusra and other groups encircling the city are, over the long term, doomed. Islamic State, which sells its oil through Turkey, will start to run short of money. Think of Stalingrad in 1942: the besiegers are now the besieged.

When I returned to London I read in the newspapers that this turn of events was regarded as a calamity. Of course, it does depend on your point of view. Government-held Aleppo was under siege from jihadi forces until late last year. That was never reported. Now the areas of Aleppo held by the rebels are coming under siege. That is reported in the western press as a catastrophe, and has brought a concerned response from the British Foreign Secretary.

Again and again I was asked: why is Britain supporting the terrorists? Western media rightly emphasise Assad’s atrocities. But the Aleppans I spoke to regularly pointed out that under Assad’s regime women can walk alone down the street and pursue a career; that a broadly liberal curriculum is taught in the schools; that Christians can worship at their churches and Muslims in their mosques. These Aleppans have lived under siege from groups hellbent on the imposition of a mutant version of Wahhabi Islam. They know that many of their fighters are foreigners whose ambition, encouraged by Turkish and Saudi sponsors, is to extinguish Aleppo’s tolerant culture and drive every last Christian out of the city. These Aleppans have a point. When the history of the Syrian civil war is finally written, historians will indeed have to confront the question: why has it been British government policy to turn the ancient city of Aleppo into present-day Kandahar?

Peter Oborne is political columnist for the Daily Mail, and an associate editor of The Spectator.

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  • Rik

    Hear bloody hear,is the Assad regime perfect?? no of course not,but they are vastly more civilised than the alternatives.a harsh regime that permits religious freedom and promotes education and freedom for women,or a barbaric death cult with 7th century values.Hmm tough choice, NOT

    • SSRREEDD

      The issue is that UK’s (as well as USA’s) politicians and defence and oil industries are intertwined with MULTI-BILLION pound business/bribes with/from Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, main stronghold of Wahhabi/Salafist heads-chopping sect, to which ALL of terrorists belong (Al-Qaeda, Daesh/ISIS, Boko Haram).

      So politicians can not really go against this corruption and so they support terrorism as tool for “regime change”. They want to replace secular non-sectarian government of Syria with radical sectarian tyranny they hope they can tame just as good as Saudi Arabia, the more so it will be mostly influenced by Saudi Arabia itself, as well as pro-Muslim Brotherhood Turkey of Erdogan.

    • MickeyDr

      Who knows if it is perfect – we have had 4 or 5 years of nonstop anti-Assad propaganda throughout the western press. Nobody really knows what Assad is like.
      Of course whatever he has done, it can’t be as bad of the Saudis…

      • Cyril Sneer

        “Nobody really knows what Assad is like.”

        We do. Syria was a stable secular country before this US/KSA instigated war.

        • MickeyDr

          Well if you can see through the mud slinging well done.

  • Marang Lesedi

    “Is the Assad regime perfect?” Is any regime “perfect”? Is the Obama regime “perfect”? The Cameroun regime maybe? Last time I checked Assad does not go around the world toppling governments that do not agree with his globalist ambitions, killing innocent people in the process. Assad does not send armed drones to wipe out guests at wedding parties, neither does he pay foreign religious extremists to murder, torture people. Neither does he destroy the livelihoods of otherwise prosperous cities and towns. No. Assad is not perfect. He just minded his own business and refused to toe the line of the evil, degenerate rulers of this world.

    • Mow_the_Grass

      The situation in Syria was begun as a civil uprising – long before it descended into the situation we now see – where Iran and its proxy army is now trying with the help of Russia to subdue the majority Sunni populace.

      • Marang Lesedi

        There was no ‘civil uprising’. Instead there were attacks on cities by gangs of foreign mercenaries paid by the same ruthless people that financed the violent coup d’etat in Libya and Ukraine. If you don’t see the connection between events in Egypt, Libya, and Ukraine, then I suggest you do some introspection and a reality check. Had it not been for the intervention of the Russian Federation Mr Assad was destined to suffer the same fate as Gadhaffi. Is it any wonder the majority of the so-called rebels are non-Syrians? If indeed this is a revolt of the Syrian public against it’s government, why are they not the majority amongst the gunmen?

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Luister ou ‘palie’ – waar bly julle – in RSA?
          Ek bly hier in Israel – so weet ek presies wat in hierdir gebied gebeur.
          Unlike you sitting as you do somewhere in Jhb and pontificating on events way out of your sphere of knowledge – and based on your anti western mindset.
          Events in inter alia Egypt/Libya/Ukraine had various trigger points and cannot merely be lumped together to fit in with your conspiracy theory.
          Now back to the drawing board – you have many problems there not the least being a potential collapse of your economy.
          Suggest you turn that finely honed mind to the immediate problems at home ie unemployment/corruption/recession – and quit pushing the Russian agenda.
          btw – the Alawite ‘regime’ ie approx 15% of the pop ruled the majority Sunni pop in a rather thuggish way – hence the civil uprising.
          Remind you of anything???

          • Marang Lesedi

            I can smell it from a hundred miles – the condescending, egotistic megalomaniac that is an Afrikaaner. It is interesting that you chose to emigrate to Israel as opposed to New New Zealand or Australia. Pretty sure the transition from the old South Africa was seamless. Also sure you’re aware that the economic and social implosion of the new South Africa has been predicted many times by self-styled ‘experts’ and ‘economists’ ever since F.W. de Klerk’s famous address in parliament. Perhaps that’s the reason you skipped country? Sadly for your kind, these predictions never came true. In fact the very opposite transpired: the country’s economy grew to unprecedented levels, poverty levels declined, access to electricity and clean potable water improved, etc. You write of the ‘potential’ collapse of our economy? Well, very few economies have zero potential for collapse. Greece, Spain, Portugal, once in the league of ‘developed economies’ are testament to that. Even the mighty US did not escape the ‘credit crunch’ of 2008. Incidentally South Africa pulled through unscathed, can you believe it?

            As to your claim that I am somehow ‘anti-Western’, it is unsubstantiated. I merely disagree with the Western agenda in Syria, and Iraq, and Libya, and Ukraine, and Afganistan; an agenda that has brought untold suffering to millions and possibly spawned Islamic extremism, whether deliberate or otherwise. If that makes me anti-Western, then perhaps you’re right. Russia has already been vindicated by pushing it’s current agenda in Syria. That nation, though surrounded by Islamists and Zionists was once a lovely, secular, pacifist nation under the leadership of Bashar Al-Assad. I hope the liberation of Aleppo and eventual expulsion of foreign Wahabist mercenaries will be a step to the restoration of those wonderful days.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            ‘That nation, though surrounded by Islamists and Zionists was once a lovely, secular,pacifist………..blah di blah……al Assad.’
            LOL
            Ever been there or in fact anywhere at all in the region??
            Doubt it.
            Your use of the word ‘Zionists’ to describe the Jewish state of Israel – indicates exactly who we have here in yours truly.
            btw – not Afrikaner although have many good friends who are – along with level headed (as opposed to ranting anti western propagandists) people of all races.
            btw again – emigrated in ’77 long before you were even born i’m sure – so nothing to do with your little De Klerk narrative.
            Now again go and sort out the dreadful mess that your govt has brought about in a once thriving country.

          • Shazza

            I lived in SA during the 70s. I remember the mass exodus of Jews post the ’76 riots to Israel. I often have a quiet smile to myself when I meet ex SAs who fled fearing for the bloodbath and who so piously now say that they left because they did not agree with the then SA government.

            BTW it was not just the Jews who fled post ’76 riots – a lot of people did as they did after Sharpeville. So please spare me the hypocrisy – I understand why you left and again BTW I am an Israel supporter.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            In ’67 was conscripted into SADF (along with many others – maybe you included) 1SSB Bloem.
            Up until the time that i departed SA ,some ten years down the line I had done a three month camp every other year as part of a COIN op.
            Arrived in Israel and what do you think occurred.
            Yeah you got it – more military service – but this time the real stuff.
            Nobody who went to Israel ever ran there ‘for fear of a bloodbath’.
            More like out of the burning oil into the fire – so spare me the smugness ‘ou palie/ette’

          • Shazza

            I apologise if I lumped you in with those hypocritical SAs who fled fearing a bloodbath but now smugly say they left because of their non approval of the then SA government. Jammer meneer!

            I was still at school in ’67 (Std 8) and being a meisie was not eligible for conscription – you bring back memories – Saturday afternoon’s Forces Favourites. I left SA about 20 years ago, Mr Shazza being fortunate enough to have been offered a company transfer and in the light of what was happening, thought it best to give our child a better future. I make no apology for that! I wish you and your family all the luck in Israel – the only civilised democratic country in the ME surrounded by nations who still confirm in toto to T E Lawrence’s view of them.

            Vasbyt!

          • Mow_the_Grass

            No apologies required – as born and bred ‘Saffers’ we are used to what the Brits call banter – without too much PC.
            You must come visit this land – if you have not done already.
            Lekker bly ‘meisietjie’.
            Am Yisrael Chai.

          • Daidragon

            The Afrikaner/Israeli connection always confused me. Neo Nazi’s teaming up with Zionist jews. Weird.

          • Shazza

            Both fighting for the survival of their nations.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Syria under Assad is secular. Do your research you ignoramus.

          • Lion 3

            what makes you think anyone who opposes your warped view of the world is russian? you dnt need to be in any of the places you mention to understand vested interests and lies pedaled as right to protect. the events you list above may have had different triggers but may still have had a common denominator. a prime mover using different trigger tactics depending on the situation at had.think.

          • Katana Man

            He was voted in by a majoriry in elections. A democracy not a corporate wall st. Puppet regime.

      • ClausewitzTheMunificent

        If the majority Sunni populace are being “subdued”, why is the majority of the SAA loyal Sunnis?

      • Katana Man

        Bs, just like in Ukraine? Sorry but regime change has been going on for decades. General Wesley Clark said this was planned long before. Nwo are going for final world domination at humankind’s expense. Nuland 5 billion democracy money.

      • Baron

        This is Aleppo before your ‘civil uprising’ and after. Whatever Assad did or is, people lived ordinary lives, the headcutters were kept in jail, there was peace.

        The same about Ukraine, as corrupt today as before, but amazingly no Maidan. Baron asked a student who took part in the Maidan protest why he isn’t there again. ‘You would get shot’, he said.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3334443/A-way-life-destroyed-Intimate-photos-relaxed-Sunday-lunches-playing-pool-rare-insight-life-beautiful-Syrian-city-Aleppo-laid-ruin-ISIS-thugs.html.

  • Peter Mo

    American foreign policy in the Middle East is all about what Israel wants. Israel wanted Gadaffi, gone, Sadaam gone, Mubarak not gone, Assad gone. Britains policy is easy. Just follow the US even if it makes no logical sense but then US politicians can’t tell you why its so crazy. They just don’t know.

    • Mow_the_Grass

      Listen ‘Mo’ – not sure where exactly you’re situated and who exactly is feeding you this garbage.
      Just on the one issue here (can deconstruct all of them if need be) – please explain to me like i’m a five year old – what exact benefit us accrued to Israel with the removal of al Assad.
      Syria in case you are unaware sits hard up on Israel’s north/Golan border.
      al Assad ad his family thugocracy understands full well not to mess with IDF – he learnt this lesson well from his father.
      So why in your deluded mind would Israel want to change the status quo as it has existed for many years – to one that potentially brings either Hezbollah or IS right to this border.
      Similarly both Gadaffi and Sadam represented almost zero threat to Israel.

      • Peter Mo

        There has been a change in Israels policy towards Assad and you will notice dutifully replicated by the White House. As I pointed out all just plain crazy so if i could explain it I would.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Bunkum
          Israel has maintained a non interventionary role in Syria – other than monitoring weapons transfer to Hezbollah.
          WH under Obama does nothing for or on Israel’s behalf.

          • Lion 3

            non-intervention role while keeping to themselves syria’s golan hights. if Israel was russia, the US would be barking on every tree about its annexations of Egyptian and syrian teritories.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            What Egyptian ‘teritories’ – you referring to exactly?

        • Hamburger

          Israel, like any sensible country, has a pragmatic foreign policy. I see no advantage for Israel in a virulently Islamist neighbour rather than a secular one. Any believable links for your hypothesis_

          • MickC

            Saudi Arabia is virulently Islamist and is not hostile to Israel; it is, of course, hostile to Iran and Hezbollah.
            As you say, Israel has a pragmatic foreign policy…..

          • Lion 3

            the only pragmatism about israeli foreign policies is to keep the palestinians down and set up their US bull dog on anyone who promises to or tries to arm them.

          • MickC

            That IS pragmatism…..but very short term, one imagines. The US populace will tire of being the world policeman, as the UK did, and essentially become isolationist.

            In twenty years the world will be a very different place….

      • Newgrubstreet

        Yeah, Israel was content enough with the previous Syrian status quo (for all the bluster, they knew the Syrian regime would never actually try anything against Israel). Replacing that with a chaotic landscape populated by fanatical terrorist groups backed by various shadowy states with no love of Israel is hardly an improvement.

      • Lion 3

        israel wanted both Gadaffi and Sadam gone FYI. and Assad. the sharing of a common border has nothing to do with it. israel is hostile to any middle eastern country that offers to materially support the palestinians. they accused sadam of sponsoring their suicide bombers they accuse iran of supporting hamas, they accused gadaffi of the same. the only ME countries to escape israeli accusations call the US a friend, ie, sadui arabia, turkey, uae, qatar etc. in most cases accusations start in jerusalem, are taken as fact in washington, and it acts to satisfy israel’s security -through regime change, destabilisation, or sanctions -eg, sadam’s iraq, iran. saudi arabia has lately studied israel’s game and copied it with devastating effect. emphasise your friendship, accuse your enemies, seek washingston’s help. that’s why BiBi last year boasted about knowing how to wag the US’ tail.

        • Hespeler1

          Quite, and it’s also about Iran. A fanatical Sunni/Wahabist regime menacing Iran would suit Israel perfectly.

    • Hamburger

      Israel wanted Assad to stay. They had a secure border with Syria and were happy with that.

      • Lion 3

        not in hell’s chance. who doesn’t know they even started bombing syria way before any other western intervention? israel now must simply be staying out because of Putin. netanyau does not respect obama at all and it can only be putin who convinced him to stay out during their meetings end of last year

        • Hamburger

          They have been bombing Syria on and off since 1967 especially when the Hisbollah were misbehaving themselves.

      • jeremy Morfey

        I’m not convinced. Assad is Iran’s closest ally, along with Hezbollah in Lebanon. Israel and Iran are hardly bosom-buddies, and any of Iran’s allies on its borders must be seen as a threat unless it can be neutralised with a good civil war.

      • RaisingMac

        Obviously you’ve never heard of the Golan Heights, doofus. With Syrian gone, Israel can go ahead and annex it.

        • Hamburger

          If you look carefully they did so 49 years ago. Pity you missed it.

          • RaisingMac

            It’s occupied territory, not legally part of Israel. Syria still claims it. But if Syria as such were to cease to exist …

          • Hamburger

            We will have to wait and see.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Sorry I don’t buy the Israel connection.

  • Dr. Heath

    Delusional article. The religious war taking place in the Middle East is not a war between ‘good guys’ like Assad and mad dog terrorists. And Assad’s anti-civilian campaign of starvation and extermination, though motivated by the sincere belief that all dissent is a manifestation of treason, is one of the most cruel and bloodthirsty since Milosevic and his fellow psychos tried the same tactics out on the people of Bosnia.

    • Newgrubstreet

      True: international observers report that most civilian deaths in this horrible war have been caused by the Assad regime. The Syrian civil war can’t be reduced to any simple narrative of good guys vs bad guys, whichever side you happen to support.

      • Marang Lesedi

        If by “International Observers”, you refer to desktop journalists, then their assessment accurately serves the purpose of their paymasters. The only time I read or watch the likes of BBC and SkyNews is when I seek an update on the most current EPL scores and standings. The Syrian civil war can be reduced to a simple narrative of certain powerful countries attempting to replicate their feats in other less fortunate nations, and apparently failing.

      • FrankieThompson

        What is the alternative to the Assad regime?

        • Fritz123

          There is none. To give you an explanation, read Kewenig on the Lebanon. There cant be more than coexistence.

        • Hespeler1

          ” But the Aleppans I spoke to regularly pointed out that under Assad’s
          regime women can walk alone down the street and pursue a career; that a
          broadly liberal curriculum is taught in the schools; that Christians can
          worship at their churches and Muslims in their mosques.”

          Rare in the ME, which is why the regime gets re-elected in fair elections.

      • ClausewitzTheMunificent

        Most international observers aren’t worth a dime, or penny if you will. If you still believe the MSM rags about Syria you’re delusional.

        • Lion 3

          one of them is a single guy paid by the EU and an unknown western government and lives in luxury in the west. he has never been to the war zone.

          • RaisingMac

            His name is Elliot Higgins, a.k.a Brown Moses, Bellingcat. But I think it’s NATO that’s paying him.

      • Lion 3

        so there are international observers (wonder where these were when a million iraqis lost their lives 2003-2006), international jihadists(ISIS, al Nustra, ar-al-sham, turkish specal forces), hostile sunni wahabist neighbors, western arms and logistics, and you simply say its a syrian civil war and Assad is responsible for the deaths? I beg to differ.

        • Hespeler1

          Quite right Lion, you have to suspect that “international observers” will see what the Empire tells them to see.

      • Roger Dixon

        And what is your definition of an “international observer?”

      • Cyril Sneer

        “international observers report that most civilian deaths in this horrible war have been caused by the Assad regime”

        Debunked propaganda.

    • MickC

      And it is NONE of our business. The US attempt to re-shape the ME is the root cause of all of this bloodshed.

    • ClausewitzTheMunificent

      Not you again, Mr. Historical falsifier #1. Same old tripe about Bosnia, compounded with rubbish about an inexsitent “anti-civilian campaign” and “religious war” when clearly the war in Syria is a US-UK-Germany backed war crime against the sovereignty of the people of Libya.

      • Fritz123

        I agree that it is the greatest “crime against humanity” in the 21. century and Hollande and Merkel etc are all poodles of the Saudis who should be closed down emmediately to save the world economy. But I dont think that any international criminal law is a good idea. Armies should punish their own soldiers and this would be allready enough. The reason should be discipline only.

        • ClausewitzTheMunificent

          Fair enough, I agree, but the UK and the US have certainly pushed for international criminal law, hence it would be hypocritical for them to rejects its applicability to their actions. If you set up the Nurnberg Trials and the ICJ and so on, you are as a country promoting the idea of int. law.

          • Fritz123

            It started in 1919 that will get 100 years old in 2019, time to rethink this concept. International law is a great idea but the idea is peace. All countries are equal. Internastional criminal law is permanent war. Maybe less is more for all. The future v. the past….etcpp…

    • Fritz123

      This is the cheap propaganda of crimesofwar.com who want to tell all Talibans of the world that a siege is like Sarajewo. But this was a very special case of butchering civilians and not a siege. Read the commentary to Art 54 of Protocol I. Assad did more than he had to do by giving them some bread and now it would have been the duty of the “rebels” to surrender. We should bomb Ryadh or at least close their oil exports to save the world economy. They are misusing their power.

      • Cobbett

        Well, look on the bright side…the collapse in oil prices has hit Saudi Arabia badly (90% of it’s revenue is oil)…with some commentators(even the IMF) talking of bankruptcy(within 5 years)

        • Fritz123

          They dont care if they have to return to perl diving. Alahu Akbar.

          • Cobbett

            I’m sure so-called Royal family and the 1000s of ‘princes’ certainly would…no more lording it over the infidels…and throwing their money around London.

        • rtj1211

          The Royal Family will have enough billions salted away not to worry. They’ll quietly leave the desert kingdom and live off their billions elsewhere…..

    • Lion 3

      Assad allowed the UN to dispatch food trucks from damascus to Madaya. the rebels got hold of it in madaya and started using it to make money. not only selling it, but at 10 times the normal selling price. if you listened carefully and with an open mind you would have heard this. Madaya did not so much run out of food. the food was made unavailable by the western funded terrorists through evil pricing. when they started losing grip of the town they cried siege and starvation.

    • Grandito

      If you think Assad has a campaign of starvation and extermination you really haven’t a clue.

      Try listening to what he has to say in numerous interviews
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELCDCPsw6M

      and what others have to say about the situation in Syria.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN_ZE2H2UkA

      rather than regurgitating propaganda.

  • ClausewitzTheMunificent

    Interesting that the Spectator grudgingly admits the truth even as another article keeps up the Russian scaremongering in Syria.

    • Mow_the_Grass

      Your friends the Russians don’t give a damn who they kill in Syria.
      Their objective is merely to protect their arms purchasing client.
      They will target any opposition group.
      IS is hardly on their radar.
      Plain and simple.

      • Lion 3

        Exactly the same could be said of the US. why would they care now about who or how many the Russians kill in Syria when in Iraq they called the million civilians they killed collateral damage and refused to count them? who doesn’t know the so-called responsibility to protect wars they wage across the globe is only to oil the US and western military industrial complex? rank hypocricy. for their part the russians were invited in a war that had gone on for four year in which the US didn’t care how long it took as long as it destabilised assad’s hated regime.

        • Baron

          You and the others are wasting your time with this brainless to$$er, Lion 3, all he does is abuse, no facts, no insight, no nothing. Just ignore him.

      • Marang Lesedi

        Lol! Sounds like you watched that news clip from France’s Canal 2, where footage of Russian bombers executing pinpoint surgical strikes was credited to US and French fliers! What a nerve to actually believe that everyone would be so dumb and ignorant as not to see through the audacious lie!

      • AlexisWolf

        Under the US led coalition IS grew. Since Russia was requested by Syria to help IS is on the run. Instead of trotting out your dull and bigoted hatred of all things Russian try adding 2 + 2 it really is plain and simple.

      • Hespeler1

        Wrong on all counts, nice try though. From the look of these comments, few are fooled.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Krembot 2 – nice work
          Cheque in the post.
          btw – did you alert all the other Krembots from Russia insider to come across here.
          Sure you have’nt left any of your little army if uptickers behind.
          He he

      • ClausewitzTheMunificent

        Rubbish. The Russians want to destroy the terrorist threat once and for all in Syria 1) to secure their southern border against NATO affiliated terrorism and 2) to make a principled stand with its regional partners Syria and Iran. The fact that the West continues to deluede itself into thinking that it can control the monsters it created and fed is worrying.

        • Андрей Сибиряк

          Именно так, добавить нечего!

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Krembot – nice work.
          Cheque is in the post.

          • ClausewitzTheMunificent

            Hasbara Pentagonite – poor work – badly articulated and unconvincing
            No matter, the budget’s been increased again – you’ll find your bonus already in your account.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Does that qualify as repartee in your little village.
            btw – eitie/krembot do this for the sheer fun of it – now retired off reserve.
            You eitie/krembot – money?

      • Андрей Сибиряк

        Полнейшая глупость)). Умейте внимая: читая и слушая – анализировать. Вы первосортный продукт антироссийской пропаганды. Поздравляю!

  • Mow_the_Grass

    Report by the Syrian Centre for Policy Research finds that 11,5 % of pop killed or injured – after five years of civil war.
    Yes you heard it correctly – civil war.

    • Lion 3

      Mow_the_Grass
      You sound like an Al Jazeera journalist. the station which presents it as Syria’s war, yet fail to mention the obvious huge international dimension, particularly a hostile group of Sunni neighboring countries including Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia who have fanned the flames by providing fighting man and western arms. its possible Assad’s army killed so many. but syria under the western craved Sunni rule will likely be a far worse country. as the reporter points out, it will be a new Kandahar, an ultra conservative sunni satellite of Wahabist Saudi Arabia – the arch backers of sunni jihadism in the world. there is not the slightest indication that if assad falls to these sunni fanatics there would be democracy in syria. thats why they cant stand assad in an election and would rather rest power through ‘dodgy’ western right to protect interference.

      • Mow_the_Grass

        Not duped by anything/anybody – let alone an Arab tv station.
        Sounds to me you have more than a dog in this fight – Shia muslim (possibly Asian)??

      • Roger Dixon

        Mow the Grass is a troll. And not a very intelligent one either. Ignore him.

    • Geoff Bridges

      It is NOT a civil war but a foreign backed coup. Even ex US Presidential candidate Ron Paul knows this. http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/december/29/syria-it-s-not-a-civil-war-and-it-never-was/

      • Mow_the_Grass

        Wrong.
        Most definitely is a civil war – which now has many players.
        WTF cares what a non entity and failed GOP candidate has to say about anything.

      • Daidragon

        It’s a civil war. The regime only represents a minority of Syrians. Unfortunately like many civil wars, competing proxies have intervened for their own vested interests and made the whole thing a lot worse.

    • Hespeler1

      That outfit is basically a disgruntled ex-pat and a small office in London. Despite the fancy title, there is little credibility there, just a reliable propaganda outlet. If most of the opposition fighters are foreign and financed and armed by foreign powers, is it still a civil war?

  • Cobbett

    Camoron is a Neocohen loyalist…that’s why he supports the removal of Assad…it has nothing to do with defending British interests.

  • MahmudH

    “Again and again I was asked: why is Britain supporting the terrorists?”

    Important question, simple answer. Idiocy.

    Why Israel is supporting those same terrorists, now that is different…

  • Jeremy Poynton

    We should have gone in with Assad as soon as there was trouble there. The last secular buffer between us and the crazies. And as pointed out below, many were very content in Syria, GDP was growing faster than here, they had for the first time a professional middle class, and a superb education system – so good the BBC had a series on it. Instead, we treated it like Iraq – and here we are again eh?

    • MickC

      No, WE should have kept well away from the start, and certainly not supported the mad US policies.

      • Jeremy Poynton

        So you are fine with half of Syria decamping to Europe? Good for you. None of this need have happened. We could have dealt with Assad (who was incredibly popular in Syria), and the deal could have been – no more pulling toenails of out Islamists, leave that to the Yanks), open up some, and we’ll join you against the crazies. Now, mama mama, they’re all crazy now, and Europe has been bust wide open. We’ll be dealing with this in decades, if it doesn’t finish us off.

        Any bets on the first Eurabian Islamist country? I’m betting Denmark – already 1 in 3 Danish MP are Muslims. Only needs Turkey to join the EU, and they’ll be all over us like a rash. No wonder applications for firearms in Germany & Austria are rocketing.

    • Pip

      Assad and Iran are in the way of the NWO agenda and have to go, everything else we are being told is pure deceit and propaganda, this has all been deliberate including the faux refugee/economic migrant crisis, the elite running the World are cold blooded liars and crooks and if the silent majority fail to wake up soon the world we have come to know will be changed into something a lot more barbaric and undemocratic, the ignorant stupidity of the majority never fails to sadden me.

  • Carl Timothy Smith

    Why does Obama support the Terrorist in Syria?

    • rtj1211

      Because he has all the power of a windmill. He only has any if the wind is blowing in the right direction at just the right speed……at all other times he is in the pocket of the US lobbyists, in this case for the US arms industry.

    • wildcolonialboy

      You seem to be confused, babe.

      The US has not supported any terrorist groups in Syria. Merely fighting Assad doesn’t make you a terrorist, though I’m aware that trying to argue this with assorted RT-watchers and troofers is an uphill battle

      • Carl Timothy Smith

        I think being confused is what Obama is striving for. Why don’t you clear it up and tell me where the weapons the American Tax payer paid for are right now? Maybe tell me who exactly these mythical “Moderate Rebels” are?

  • jeremy Morfey

    I went on Google Earth just now and saw the beautiful old city of Aleppo with its medieval alleyways, its arches, its ancient mosques, its souks…

    My heart bleeds.

  • Daidragon

    Britain is supporting the Islamists because Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States that sponsor Islamism around the globe, are our best customers for arms sales.

  • Neil Hallett

    Bashar al-Assad, the legitimate leader of Syria, is fighting a foreign-backed insurgency. It is not and never was a civil war. The George W Bush dual-citizen israeli PNAC neocons stated their intention of invading/destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Lebanon and Iran …. in 2000. We all know that 9/11 was an inside job to further this plan. There were no WMD’s in Iraq. Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan. The Libyan conflict was never a civil war. That too was an insurgency funded and aided by these same forces and their military arm, NATO. The exact same thing is happening in Syria. Assad is fully entitled to use everything in his power, including calling on his allies, to help in the fight against US/Rothschild imperialism, Who do you think ISIS are? It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that they are funded and supplied by those who wish to see Assad deposed and his country reduced to the shambles that has befallen Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. And we all know who wishes to see regime change in Syria. Putin is standing in the way. He too is a leader with credibilty and the balls to say to these israel-first Rothschild puppets – enough is enough.

    • Hespeler1

      Well said, Mr. Hallett, and it can’t be said enough or too widely.

    • Андрей Сибиряк

      Спасибо за Ваши мысли. Согласен с Вами полностью. Европейский Союз теряет свой суверенитет больше и больше – внимая словам США. Ситуация с ИГИЛ и беженцами – это общая проблема ЕС и России. Сегодняшняя встреча Патриарха РПЦ и Папы Римского говорит о том, что угроза от ИГИЛ – угроза потери Веры и всего цивилизованного Мира. Посмотрел комментарии на нескольких сайтах Великобритании. Приятно, что большинство людей не ведутся на лживую пропаганду и видят происходящее трезвыми глазами. С приветом из Новосибирска. Андрей)

    • Mow_the_Grass

      9/11 truther
      Sad really – makes the rest of your conspiracy based Israel/US/Rothchild rant – predicable garbage which is what it is.

      • JOhn Mackie

        You Hasbara bots are evil, revolting and tiresome. And we all know what Mow the Grass means.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          What does it mean dearie?

          • kgbgb

            As a direct answer seems not to be acceptable, I suggest that people Google the phrase

            “Mow the grass” Gaza

          • Mow_the_Grass

            kgb/gb – appears to say it all.

          • kgbgb

            My initials and my country’s. At least I don’t name myself after a genocidal policy.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            lOL
            For a so called ‘genocide’ – your friends in Gaza, the ones that fire thousands of Grad/Katusha missiles into Israel – seem to be growing happily in number.
            Its simple ‘pal/ette’ when your friends desist from building attack tunnels and firing missiles – then they will be left in peace and quiet – which is what we also want.
            Now buzz – but make it chikchak as we say here.

          • Neil Hallett

            So who created HAMAS?

        • wildcolonialboy

          Oooh, ‘Hasbara’. Sounds so exotic and Jewish.

          Why don’t you start telling us about how Jews run the world and it’s all a conspiracy to impose the Talmud?

          It’s unfortunate the Speccie comment thread is now overrun with mouth breathers and troofers

      • Roger Dixon

        A pathetic comment. Hardly worth the dignity of a response.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Are you his secretary.
          If so good job.

      • Cyril Sneer

        You don’t have a fricking clue about the Syrian conflict. You’re really quite clueless.

      • Neil Hallett

        “predicable garbage” …… lol. Perhaps hasbara training should include some basic spelling lessons. That aside, most people reading your response are fully aware that you are obliged to defend the 9/11 lie and the well-documented neocon/dual-nationality israeli involvement in the attack on the USA. I sympathise with your predicament. The dam is well and truly breached and it is your misfortune to be engulfed by a deluge of truth. Please, don’t stop posting. It’s always useful to have a bullshit indicator in plain sight.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          9/11 truther.
          Go pedal your garbage on those lunatic fringe sites.
          Plenty to choose from.
          This here is for adults.
          btw ‘pal/ette’ – speak/understand four languages so dont wet yourself about a lil typo.
          How about you lil englishman

          • Neil Hallett

            You just confirmed everything I said. Thank you. Remember … don’t stop posting ….we need a bullshit indicator on every site. You fulfil that role perfectly. Thank you.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Go on give us your best shot.
            Ya mean that’s it.
            C’mon you can do better.
            You give stupid a whole new meaning
            Hope ya not the best and brightest in ya lil village.
            ps – now go mark my spelling.
            LOL

          • Neil Hallett

            Mow the grass … Bullshit, Bullshit, and more hasbara Bullshit.

  • Alison

    Sadly, the commentary lost all credibility when Spielberg’s predictable, nauseating, saccharin version of an interesting story was described as a ‘masterpiece’. It will be hard to take anything written by P.O seriously again.

  • Jacobi

    Aleppo, under the legitimate Syrian government was attacked and occupied by ISIL and other Sunni militant terrorist groups in 2012. There were certainly refugees then. The Syrian Government with Russian help is now re-capturing Aleppo and driving out the Turkish-backed Sunni
    Saudi-Arabian backed forces. More refugees, not surprisingly.

    Turkey is part of the whole Saudi-Arabian Sunni ISIL and other Sunni terrorist groups operating under all sorts of nice names.

    Britain supports these Islamic terrorist groups because the United States does and the reason, arms sales to Saudi-Arabia and to Qatar and to Turkey and therefore to the Islamic terrorists.

    So it is the American and of course British weapons interests, and therefore the British government, who are supporting the Islamic terrorists.

  • mandelson

    Follow the money — it leads to Saudi Arabia UAE and Qatar plus western politicians on the payroll. A giant criminal enterprise.

  • MickeyDr

    Oooh – accurate reporting.
    I’m not quite sure why the Spectator actually had to send a reporter to find out what was easily available – but it is good that the report got through.

  • JOhn Mackie

    We’re supporting the terrorists because we’re taking orders from our masters. As we did in Iraq and Libya. The biggest terrorist state in the region. The ones we can’t name without having our posts here expunged. Nice word that… expunged. Bit like the word ausrottung.

    • Mow_the_Grass

      Imbecile.
      Iraq and Libya were never a threat to Israel – other than in your dumb/deluded/deranged conspiracy clogged mind.
      You got a problem with your country’s participation in Iraq/Libya – suggest you write your local council – who can then lobby your local parliamentary rep – who can then bring it up in your parliament – and then debate it for a coupla months.
      In other words ‘pal/ette’ – it was a brit decision.
      You fight no wars on our behalf.
      Now FO

      • Daidragon

        Those Iraqi Scud missiles that fell on Tel Aviv in 1991 looked quite threatening. had you all scurrying for your gas masks.

        • wildcolonialboy

          You can barely conceal your delight at the death of Jews, can you? The “you all” gives you away, Adolf

        • Mow_the_Grass

          US begged Israel to not respond.
          IAF would have hunted and destroyed the launchers – chikchak.
          Faced down many threats and prevailed.
          This would have been just one more to take care of.

  • anyfool

    Cameron and Blair are two faces of the same coin, coin that is Saudi supplied, they were and are assisted in the horror they have helped inflict on Syria by the Foreign Office, the Middle East section of the Foreign Office was and still is, in thrall to Arab nationalists, it is an arm of government that should be closed down and resurrected as principally a trade oriented body, it has destroyed British diplomatic clout around the world, it has spent the last 40 years trying to subjugate the UK to the EU, it is a cancerous tumour that’s in urgent need of chemotherapy.

  • Nick

    Another good and truthful article.And by the way,the Russians are doing as excellent job in Syria.In fact,they are doing the best job in Syria as they do not differentiate between the different types of terrorists in the country.

    • mikewaller

      Putin is doing exactly the same job in Syria as Hitler did in Spain with his Condor Legion between 1936-39: using indiscriminate methods of extreme barbarity to ensure that a cruel dictator comes out on top. Although the clown Oborne does not seem to know it, there are three dogs in the Syrian civil war: the murderous Assad regime, the even more despicable ISIS and moderate Syrians whose initial desire was simply to live under a less brutal dictatorship; and what Putin is concentrating his savagery on is the last of these.

      Of course, given what has happened in both Iraq and Libya and probably will in Afghanistan, we now have every reason to doubt that there are enough sensible folk in Syria to maintain the kind of liberal democracy that we enjoy. Assuming this to be so, Putin’s efforts could be seen as bringing about the lesser of two extreme evils in the shortest time possible. However, that is not why the scum-bag is doing it, so to congratulate him as dear old Nick does above, is strongly suggestive of a grave deficit in the human decency department.

      • Nick

        Well you have your views of the Syria situation and I have mine.

        But yours my dear old Mike are based on the usual anti-Russian western propaganda which is suggestive of a grave deficit in the common sense department.

        • mikewaller

          See my comments above. For all the lunacies of Western politics and politicians, none have the imperial ambitions of Putin nor the political support to seek to realise them. Do wake up and smell the coffee!.

          • Jacobi

            Well Merkel has, plenty of imperial ambitions!

          • Baron

            None of Western politicians have imperial ambitions? You what, not only brainless but blind as well?

            Why are Americans troops in everywhere you look? For fun?

          • mikewaller

            As far as Europe’s concerned those with any sense welcome the US presence. Without it – and, of course, the bomb – your pal Putin could not contain himself. Trouble is you can take the boy out of the KGB but you can’t take the KGB out of the boy. You might also ask those round the Pacific rim is they would now like the US to lose interest, With the way China is now behaving in international waters I am inclined to think not. I happen to know someone from one of the Baltic States. That individual is terrified of a return by your brutal friends and would welcome any number of American troops. Do try to get back in touch with reality.

          • Baron

            You need medical attention, mikewaller, you’re not well.

          • mikewaller

            What a brilliantly incisive counter argument. I stand in awe of your intellect.

          • Nick

            I take it you’ve heard of the US government have you?

            Bombing it’s imperial ambitions all around the world.

          • Pioneer

            Imperial ambitions? Do you have any evidence for that?

          • mikewaller

            Chechna, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, Syria…….

          • kgbgb

            Chechnya is an integral part of Russia. The others are all cases of Russia coming to the aid of democrats whose elected governments the West attempted to overthrow by force. For imperialists, look West, not East.

          • mikewaller

            Chechnya stands in relation to Greater Russia as Scotland does to the UK; when some Scots wanted independence, we had a referendum. When some Chechnes wanted the same the “freedom-loving” peoples of Russia used massive force to crush them and in doing so showed complete contempt for the lives of their own soldiery. The Crimea is a place the Russian government agreed should be left with the Ukraine in return for The Ukraine surrendering all the nuclear missiles left on its soil after the break-up of the USSR. Eastern Ukraine is a place in which Russia is causing untold suffering merely as a display of its own strength. Syria is a place in which Russia is doing likewise to ensure it remains a power in the Middle East. Its latest exploit – the targeting of hospitals and the dropping cluster bombs over civilian areas – has just been caught on camera and thus revealed to the world. It was then made even worse by some military deadbeat who yet again insisted that Russia, never, never kills civilians. Believe that and you’ll believe anything.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Straight from the MSM eh Mike or is it Langley? Same thing eh Mike.

          • mikewaller

            You couldn’t be more wrong; but there, being wrong seems to be your specialist subject.

      • sidor

        Are you supporting the Christian genocide going on in Syria that the Russians are trying to stop? What is your religious affiliation?

        • mikewaller

          I loath Isil from the bottom of my heart and consider fundamental Muslims to be in the same benighted mental state we were in 400 years ago. And yes, it is possible that Russian savagery may have some beneficial effects. But don’t for one moment make the mistake of thinking that is why Putin is doing what he is doing. As I recall it, there were plenty of right wingers in the 1930s prepared to forgive Hitler virtually everything because he offered a bulwark against communism. And look where that finished up!

          • sidor

            Do you mean that the Russians trying to save the Syrian Christians from genocide are worse to you than the wahhabis perpetrating that genocide? Are you a Christian?

          • ukalally

            no I bet he is a jew and putin is wrecking pissraels plans

          • leonardo79

            mikewaller, all the readers are still waiting for you to answer to the question posed by Pioneer. Here is it: “Which are the moderate Syrians ? That is serious questions – can you identify them?”
            Could you reply please? Don’t let us wait too long. It’s a pretty simple question.

          • mikewaller

            It’s very, very easy. They are the folk amongst whom aid workers can go about their work without risking having their heads chopped off (so they can’t be Isil) whilst those same aid workers are still in fear of their lives because Putin’s airborne murderers are in the process of bombing them all to kingdom come. Don’t you pay any attention to what is going on or are you just mesmerised by Putin’s pecs?

      • Jacobi

        And America is supporting the Sunni, Saudi Arabia, ISIL, other Sunni factions and now of course Ottoman Turkey. But then we have to keep our arms industries going do we not?

        • mikewaller

          What would you prefer, a British Prime Minister declaring “Peace in our time” and just letting “Putler” get on with it? Can you think of anything the man has done since taking office that reflects any kind of human decency? From his disregard of the lives of the sailors on the Kursk by trotting off on holiday, though the simultaneous destruction of the Chechens and his own conscripts, to his sanctioning of murder on the streets of London by use of a highly radio-active poison, to his massive level of personal corruption and then onto his own equivalent of Hitler’s Guerinca in Aleppo, is there anything to admire about the man? If there is, please let us know. Or perhaps he’s just your kind of guy!

          • Jacobi

            No he is just another politician I suppose. What you have listed is I have no doubt also been done over the years by our politicians,

            You seem to pick out radio active poisoning a particularly important issue, a rather stupid way to kill someone I agree. I mean what is wrong with a bullet? But let’s remember that Litvinenko was a member of the Russian Federal Security Forces who defected to the West and is therefore regarded as a traitor by the Russians, just as we regarded the Burgess, Philby and Maclean lot and at least twelve rather shadowy others whose names never came out. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of those weren’t bumped off

          • mikewaller

            It might not surprise you, but there is absolutely no evidence for it. Blake was a mole that we actually did catch and we knew had cost dozens of lives. All we did was tuck him up in prison so inadequate that two half-baked academics got him out and on the way home to Mother Russia. As we know from the fate of others, his Russian equivalents did not last five minutes after all that was useful had been extracted from them.

          • Jacobi

            No evidence for the Cambridge spies?
            The fact remains that Litvinenko was a traitor to the Russian state and if the Russians wanted to bump him of as a result, and if we who took on this traitor to another state, couldn’t bother to protect him well….

          • mikewaller

            “No evidence” referred to the Soviet spies you claim the UK may have quietly bumped off. As for the defence of Russian overseas murders you offer up, Lenin had an expression to cover cases such as yours: ‘useful fools’.

          • mikewaller

            I am sure that the USA will be very grateful for your implied approval of their using whatever covert means they chose to take out Snowdon.

          • Cyril Sneer

            What would I prefer…. A western government that does not support our Salafi enemies in a war to illegally remove a secular government from power.

      • Muhammad Abbass

        Would you deflect attention from your crimes? The only forces supported by your regime are terrorist ones. Hang your head in shame you vile dog!

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Lech l’hisyn ozstralian matoomtam.
          Muhammad Abbass’s @ss.

      • Pioneer

        Which are the moderate Syrians ? That is serious questions – can you identify them?

        • Cyril Sneer

          No one has been able to name them or prove that these mythical moderates would take over should the Syrian government be defeated.

      • Ingmar Blessing

        Who is the alternative to Assad in Syria???

        I believe it was an article here in the Spectator half a year ago that explicitly
        stated that “there is no moderate opposition in Syria” as well as “the
        moderate opposition in Syria is lead by Assad”

        Hemmingway and other liberal intellectuals were fighting for the republicans in the Spanish war.

        Who’s fighting in Syria on the “rebels” side? The only thing those “freedom
        fighters” in Syria are reading is the quran as well as the Sharia
        handbook for immediate cruel punishment.

        The comparison between Putin and Hitler is as skewed as the comparison between people like Hemmingway or Picasso with Al-Baghdadi or Bin Laden.

        In inconvinient truth is: In Syria, Putin is defending our values. Assad
        stands for our values. And what are our values? Well it’s this: “Always
        treat others as you want to be treated and never do anything to others
        that you don’t want do be done to you.”

        The islamists don’t live by that. They don’t know the golden rule. The quranic teachings are the opposite of that. Its a Herrenrasse ideology. That’s why Putin is currently doing more for us and out interests than you (and I) can imagine.

        • mikewaller

          If you and Putin share values, then God help you. The guy is a murderous tyrant who will stop at nothing he can get away with to secure his own ends. Trouble is the Russians as a generality are daft enough to venerate him.Assad’s father is said to have killed over 40,000 people to crush a revolt in Homs and now his son has massively exceeded that. I have already conceded that Assad may turn out to be the lesser of two despicable evils – the other being Isil – but please don’t be so daft as to try to tell me that that Putin is the poster-boy for liberal democracy.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Right so you admit that Assad is the best option for Syria.

            Then stop supporting terrorists.

          • mikewaller

            You mean the kind of people who a couple of days ago intentionally used planes to bomb hospitals? I agree they really are despicable and not much different from Isil.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Oh great Hitler comparison… Jesus wept you’re really that pathetic aren’t you.

        • mikewaller

          Has someone said something to upset Didums? Go check your history books. Putin’s support of Assad is a direct parallel of Hitler’s support of Franco and in both cases the recipients of their violence are/were a very mixed bag folks who simply wanted the freedoms we enjoy through to murderous brutes worthy of nothing but our contempt. Where Putin has out-competed his reputational rival is by largely ignoring the latter (Isil) and turning his fire on the areas in which the former are to be found in the largest numbers.

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  • Hamburger

    Very emotive but with hardly any knowledge of Syria, both before or during the war. I guess Mr Oborne never dared to get away from his minders.

    • quotes

      Would you care to explain what was missing?

      • Hamburger

        Perhaps any understanding of why Homs was destroyed by Assad’s troops for a start. Perhaps a little understanding about the various strands in Syrian society and the role of the different religions. It would also have been useful for him to realise that not all of those that oppose Assad are psychopaths.

        • quotes

          Perhaps his experiences lead him to disagree

          When were you last there?

          • Hamburger

            I don’t think he experienced anything. He spent his whole time with his minders and only talked to people that government wanted. At least that was my impression of his article.

          • sidor

            A simple question about your own experience. Which side are you on when the wahhabis perform genocide of the Syrian Christians? Or you are an ambivalent humanist?

          • Hamburger

            Oh, that is easy. I am for the Christians. My point is that not all opponents of Assad are Wahabists.

          • Muhammad Abbass

            All opponents of Assad are the radicalised Sunnis who are infected by Wahhabist ideology and those Zionists and some moronic liberals who have swallowed the koolaid. Which are you? Assad has been thanked by Christian leadership such as the pope and the patriarch of the Orthodox Church for what he has done to protect Christians so I wonder what you’re on?.

          • Muhammad Abbass

            The ISIS freaks are not Wahhabis strictly speaking, whilst they do owe their ideology to that branch of apostate Islam. They have furthermore done very little really against Christians, even though they made some very gaudy and well publicised films which included few actual deaths compared to the slaughter aimed at Muslims by them. This character is probably an agent of the intelligence services which created ISIS or he’s a Takfiri creep, a Zionist rat or Liberal moron who has swallowed the koolaid.

          • Brian_Dell

            “Syrian Christian opposition leader George Sabra told Pope Benedict XVI that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad poses a threat to the country’s Christians, the Syrian National Council said on [Sept 23, 2012]”

          • sidor

            the Syrian National Council

            Is it another euphemism for Al Qaida?

          • Cyril Sneer

            Majority of Christians are with the SAA not against them you terrorist supporting bag of sh t.

          • Brian_Dell

            The author here, Peter Oborne, has also been carrying water for Assad for a long time. “Assad is fighting in defence of an ancient civilisation” – Oborne.

          • Muhammad Abbass

            How is telling the truth seen as carrying water except by the vanguard of the terrorist Takfiri scum? You know what you are, and I bell you herewith you devils.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Peter Oborne is and has been a ‘water carrier’ for all things arab/muslim especially as it may pertain to Israel.
            The situation in Syria (as with much of the arab/muslim world at present) – creates a real dilemma for him.
            No easy Zionist/Jews to attack.
            Must be real difficult for him to find a new angle to the ME which does’nt cast his good friends in a bad light.
            Tough call.

          • Brian_Dell

            In this case I don’t think it’s all that tough for him because when in doubt he has historically just defaulted to the anti-American position.

          • leonardo79

            The forces on the ground in Syria are now Assad and the jihadists. Please, let me know who do you side with? If you stand for the so-called moderate rebels please, name one group?

          • Brian_Dell

            To quote Sputnik News, which is Kremlin controlled,
            “The US-led coalition has provided aerial support for the Iraqi Army (800,000 personnel and 389 tanks), the Kurdish militia (70,000 fighters) and various opposition groups (40-60,000 fighters).”
            Can we agree that “opposition groups” refers to Syrian opposition groups? Even the Kremlin could surely see the contradiction involved in the same sentence saying the US supports the Iraqi government and the Iraqi opposition at the same time.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Name the groups you lying Langley stooge. NAME THE MODERATE GROUPS.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Are you that mong from the Guardian forums? If you are, can I just say that you haven’t got a clue about anything.

        • sidor

          Of course not all the Germans following Hitler were medical psychopaths. Should this have stopped the allied bombing of the German cities in 1945? As we see now, the bombing was quite helpful in changing the German mind. Hopefully, the same measure might help with those who support ISIS and Al Qaida.

          • Hamburger

            I have no lance to break for those criminals. You are unfortunately wrong about the effect of the bombing campaign here. Even in 1950 the majority of Germans approved of Hitler. I am glad to say it is very different today. I don’t think that bombing changed the minds.

          • sidor

            Considering the German post-war behaviour, you seem to be right. Interestingly, Hiroshima and Nagasaki have dramatically changed the Japanese mind. No trace of any idea to restore the lost empire. I take the liberty to suggest that this difference in the effect of bombing can be related to the specific psychological impression of the Hiroshima bomb. We can only guess what the effect would have been if instead of Hiroshima was Frankfurt.

          • Katana Man

            Churchill bombed civilians first, Hitler retaliated, there’s a good video on YouTube where Hitler he speaks about Churchill, YouTube it.

          • sidor

            And the significance is? Why should it matter? What is your point in spreading Hitler’s propaganda? Are you unhappy with the result of the war?

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Modern day neon@zism is a new a growing phenomena.
            Their are entire websites devoted to this scourge.
            Morgoth Review is one such site ad based in the UK.
            Worth a look if you want to go into the mind of the truly deranged.

          • sidor

            There was a full-scale campaign of “humanists” to denounce the “cruelty of the Allied bombing” killing poor civilian Germans. Also, there was an extensive propaganda about “millions of German women raped by the Red army”. Old people who took part in anti-German guerilla actions in the Baltic states are tried for “war crimes” by the children of former Na.zis. Memorials to the SS officers are built.

            The point is quite simple: an attempt to rewrite the history of WWII and, more importantly, to revise its results. After a while, we will be forced to apologise for our victory.

          • Katana Man

            Any different to the propaganda spread 24 hours a day from globalist owned media? Any different from Obama and Bush and Clinton spreading lies and propaganda? I know who’s killed more in illegal invasions and regime change over the past 40 years. Watch some cia whistle blowers video’s on YouTube.

          • Frank

            Heavens then it must be true if Hitler asserts it.

          • Katana Man

            Yeah like how Obama and Bush and Clinton tell the truth?

        • Muhammad Abbass

          We are familiar with your lies, you Takfiri scum.

          • Hamburger

            And a very good morning to you too.

          • Muhammad Abbass

            Takfiris and other assorted scum oppose the legitimate government of Syria.

          • Frank

            Assad is hardly legitimate.

          • Katana Man

            Like the bush years? Rigged elections?

          • Katana Man

            Like the bush years? Rigged elections?

          • Cyril Sneer

            He is. Last time I checked Syria is still a sovereign state and the Syrian government is still their government,

          • Frank

            His is a dictator. His dad was a dictator and if you think these elections were fair then I have a lovely bridge to sell you.

        • Katana Man

          Majorities rule sorry. Why cater to minorities so much? The many outweigh the few. Is your argument somehow meant to justify a proxy invasion for regime change at the cost of 100k deaths? Should we all get used to our kids getting taught transgender awareness classes because of minorities like here in Australia for example?

          • Hamburger

            Assad’s religion is a minority in Syria.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Shia/Alawites ie the Assad family thugocracy represent 15/20% of the Syrian pop – and are a direct cause of the civil war in that country where the majority is Sunni,
            You can only keep the lid on for so long in the combustible arab/muslin ME.
            (and this for the krembot morons – both factions ie al Assad/Hezbollah supported by Russia and al Nusra/IS etc – deserve each other.)
            Pass the popcorn.

          • leonardo79

            The regime ideology is baathism, a secular, socialist, pan- arab ideology, not sectarian at all, as you depict it. Majority of Syrian goverment and Army, at any rank, are Sunni. It is a brutal regime but it never discriminated people for their faith. The sectarian paradigma is something that has been propelled by western media and radical imams to fuel the civil war.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            You can colour any which way you like.
            We here in the region have a better understanding of the dynamics at play here.
            For us the old status quo was better – al Assad understood well the lessons learnt by his father.
            We watch activities very closely on our north/Golan border.
            There are no ‘good’ guys – including al Assad.

          • leonardo79

            I agree there are not good guys. So, in this case, better pick the less worse.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Unfortunately in this region less worse today – becomes more worse tomorrow

          • Cyril Sneer

            You still haven’t stated who will take over should Assad fall?

            Or to ask in a different way, which jihadi terrorist group do you support to take over from the Syrian government?

          • Katana Man

            How does a theocracy become voted in a democracy which Syria is? They vote not like in Saudi Arabia and Jordan and elsewhere the draconian monarchies reign.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Word used is ‘thugocracy’ – not theocracy (ie Iran)

          • Katana Man

            Oh? Iran invaded any countries recently? Practice extraordinary rendition and torture people? Does Iran do insider trading and take huge bribes “donations and contributions” from wall st.? Does Iran have a draconian monarchy like some nato allies aiding isis as we speak? Only haters hate Iran.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Listen imbecile – was merely pointing out that thugocracy (the word i used ) and theocracy the word used in response are two entirely different words/meanings.
            How old are you – 15??

          • Katana Man

            I was responding to your earlier post, scroll up zio pos.
            15 is the number of braincells you have.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You really don’t know anything about this conflict.

          • Katana Man

            So how did he get voted in by a majority? Perhaps they aren’t hating him for his religion? Do you think they wouldn’t vote for him because of his religion? Look at Obama.

          • David Chiverton

            Have you ever read ANY reports on pre-civil war Syria? The elections are a fig leaf designed to cover up a single-party, militarized state.

          • Katana Man

            Really cause Syria was doing great compared to America and Britain before the invasion aka foreign back terrorists pretending to be rebels. How is American and western politics any different? They are all bought and paid for by secret society monarchs, plutocrats and bankers. If anything I doubt assad has the megalomaniac ambitions of our monarchs and oligarch rulers. You do know democracy is a joke don’t you?

          • Frank

            Too complex for Oborne. Perhaps he doesn’t understand that Assad and his dad are dictators.

          • Hamburger

            I guess when you only have one choice you either vote for him or not at all.

          • Frank

            Or you vote with your feet, hence so many young military age Syrian men all rushing to get to Europe.

          • Katana Man

            No there were 5 other low iq candidates.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Shown up again. There were 5 alternatives in the last election.

          • Hamburger

            Are you really suggesting that the other candidates were anything but stooges? Even the Syrians didn’t.

          • Cyril Sneer

            And yet the Syrian government isn’t and neither is the SAA.

            This is not a sectarian conflict. Only the jihadists think it’s sectarian.

          • Hamburger

            You should look at the point above mine.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Exactly moron
            Its a civil war – where the majority ie Sunni are trying to throw off the Shia/Alawite thugocracy of al Assad.
            (and just for the record ‘pal/ette’ – have no dog in this fight – in fact IS is a nice counterbalance to Hezbollah – let them beat each other senseless)
            Pass the popcorn.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Wrong wrong wrong!

            You haven’t got a clue. Majority of the SAA and government is Sunni.

            Do some fricking research instead of spouting such ignorant drivel.

            Also, 70% of the population live within government held areas.

            Perhaps you would like to enlighten us all as to what would take over if Assad fell?

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Have made it quite clear here on this thread and elsewhere that there are no good outcomes in this battle.
            Have more understanding of this situation than some little village dweller somewhere in Britland – seeing that Syria sits right up against our north/Golan border.
            Not sure from the level of your responses whether you are drunk or deranged – could be both.
            Now buzz – but make it chikchak as we say here.

          • Cyril Sneer

            What’s up mate, don’t like being shown that you know nothing about this subject.

            There is a good outcome that could come out of this – peace and a return to a secular stable Syria. This will happen if the Syrian government are left alone to finish the job on the jihadists.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Where I reside – Syria sits hard up against our north/Golan border.
            So who do you think is gonna be more acquainted with facts on the ground as they relate to Syria and the complexities of the civil war there.
            Who do you think, mate??

          • wildcolonialboy

            You seem to be confused. If majorities rule, then the Sunni majority should rule in Syria. Oh, you didn’t know Assad’s Alawite sect is a small minority?

          • Katana Man

            Syria is a democracy, assad was voted in by a majority. People don’t rule by religion in a democracy, people don’t vote on religion. Perhaps monarchies are more your cup of tea.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Majority of the Syrian Arab Army is Sunni. Same with the government..

            70% of the population live within government held areas.

          • Pioneer

            “Majorities rule sorry”

            Not in the West. Western countries are in the grip of the Identity politics structure – supported and implemented by Western governments.

          • Katana Man

            I’m not talking about the west.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Yet it’s the psychopaths that will take over should Assad fall. I presume you’re ok with that?

          • Hamburger

            No, but if Mr Oborne wants to be a journalist he should behave like one rather that write such uninformed rubbish.

    • Frank

      Oborne has always had a rather special outlook on stuff!

      • Hamburger

        I like special.

  • sidor

    Very good article. The truth is quite rare now when the Western media organise a massive campaign to save the defeated ISIS fascists. Saudi money work.

    • Jacobi

      Regarding media bias, I am a regular watcher of TV news, channel 4, ITV news and of course the Beeb. Pro-Isil/rebels factions is so painfully obvious. Comment nearly always one sided. Who is getting at these TV people?

      • Cyril Sneer

        They’re bought and paid for by the establishment. There is no free mainstream media any more.

  • Muhammad Abbass

    AS always the best we get from Western journos includes reference to “Assad’s atrocities” yet I am yet to ever hear of a legitimate account of any such atrocities. Assad was elected to power in an election which saw him win with a higher margin than any leader of any nation which opposes him. You want to talk about atrocities? How about your own monstrous histories and ongoing crimes against humanity?

    • jeremy Morfey

      Barrel-bombing civilians from helicopters?

      We can deal with historic crimes at our leisure. I am far more concerned with those that are current and ongoing.

      • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

        Barrel-bombing by Assad, bad. NATO cluster-bombing GOOD! Just how stupid do you think we all are? Bombs kill people. GEDDIT? That is why the regime change fanatics and democracy jihadists like you have a lot to answer for! Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Yugoslavia and my own beloved Ukraine. Serial destroyers of whole countries. Shame ICC is only for Slavs and Africans.

      • Cyril Sneer

        So big powerful NATO bomb good, low tech barrel bomb because you either don’t have the platform available to deliver a proper bomb or you don’t have sufficient ammo left so you’ve taken to putting stuff in barrels and dropping them equal bad.

        Please tell me, why is a barrel bomb worse than say a 500lb bomb?

        If they’re that destructive then surely our armed forces should be using them.

  • Raymond Dillon

    Its not “Assad forces” It is the national army of Syria established 80 years ago long Before president Assad was born.
    Is it so hard to say Government forces or Syrian army troops? I dont ever hearing anyone calling the British Army “Cameron’s forces?

    • Muhammad Abbass

      The hypocrites at reuters referred to Alleppo “Falling” to Assad’s forces …….as if we didn’t already know who actually supports the Takfiri terrorists. In any setting other than this, the city of Aleppo is being “Liberated” by government forces.

      • Katana Man

        Well said, the hasbara sayanim should stop typing lies.

    • Daidragon

      They’re technically the Queen’s forces aren’t they?

      • Katana Man

        Well said and her merry plutcratic henchmen. Rothschilds in it too profiting.

      • jeremy Morfey

        Indeed they are, and the buck stops with the Queen, not with Cameron, who is just her loyal servant.

  • Katana Man

    Abc 24 hours radio news said the Syrian government was putting a siege on civilians in aleppo and that they were starving. I translated that to be meaning UK backed terrorists were starving to death and couldn’t continue raping and murdering for the nwo Wesley Clark doctrine world government agenda. ZBC radio offers great insight to propaganda about all kinds of nwo globalist agendas.

    • Mow_the_Grass

      FO – ten pound off the boat colonizing scum.
      What indigenous Aboriginal people you did’nt kill for Sunday sport – you are now destroying via reservations and alcohol.
      True jumped up whitetrash lording it over the dark people.
      And FO also with your nwo/Wesley Clark/Zionist garbage.
      Go back to your neon@zi website like Russia Insider – they really lap it up there.

      • Katana Man

        What’s done is done. No need to fill a land with foreigners any further. Why lower our standards of living and spread disease here? You won’t integrate anyway.

      • Katana Man

        Where you from? Maybe you that white mass pro immigration bloke that got raped by the immigrants who he helped into his country. Google it.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Perhaps you should expand your reading outside of the MSM then you wouldn’t be so off the mark.

  • Ingmar Blessing

    Well, the only explanation I have left is that we have an exceptionally low performing political elite since about 2 generations. The only individuals on the highest level that demand my respect are Putin and Netanyahu. The rest is clearly beyond their level of competence, or like in the case of Erdogan and the new Saudi king, openly insane.

    – Obama is weak and inept
    – Merkel is the prototype of a collectivized soviet citizen
    – Cameron is lucky that he doesn’t have a challenge

    And who else is there?
    – Hollande: hidiously incompetent eastern-German style socialist
    – Abe: running a retirement home
    – Jiping: struggling with an über-corrupt one-party state with the only legitimation currently fading away
    – Modi: fighting against a million corruption dragons
    – Roussef: Brasil will always be the future
    – Renzi: Plan A spending more of other peoples money, Plan B robbing Northern Italy more

    My feeling is, right now they are running global issues like a Politbüro: On the meetings they pretend, everyone likes everyone, everyone has the same votes and the same interests and make decisions based on that. And before and after they all go after one anothers throat (or their agencies, or whoever has power and money).

    So, it is the most untruthful way of organizing business. What should be is more of an open parliamentarian style: Everyone chases his interest no matter what and calls everyone whatever they feel, but in return everyone respects the others interest. That would bring a lot more truth into the arena – and also robust results.

    The good news is, that the Politbüro system never worked. The bad news is, that the breakdown is slow, hurts a lot and at the end comes a big bang.

    • Frank

      Putin – “on the highest level that demand my respect”? You are clearly not British and seem deluded.

      • Ingmar Blessing

        Nope I am not British… but does that make me deluded?

        If you take Putins position as president of Russia, you will see his strategy is very sound, consistent, rational and his (foreign) political approaches do make a lot of sense. Overall he – still – is playing with very open cards.

        You can’t say that about the West and even less about the Arabs.

        • jeremy Morfey

          Every strategy is up for criticism, and Putin’s is no exception.

          1. Does Putin really believe that Assad can recover the comparatively benign frame of mind he had before the Arab Spring?

          2. By concentrating attacks on Turkmen separatists, does Putin really believe that their Turkish allies will take this lying down, or might they even invoke NATO assistance?

          3. By attacking those who are holding back the Kurds in Northern Syria, could Putin be creating a Kurdish corridor there on the Turkish border where there is already a Kurdish separatist campaign in Turkey, and removing a second front against the Kurds from the South? How should Turkey respond? How does this affect the fairly benign and stable Kurdish nation emerging in Northern Iraq, particularly with its improving relations with Iran, itself with a sizeable and peaceful Kurdish minority?

          4. These attacks on less fanatic opposition groups within Syria may tip the balance in favour of the more fanatic elements. The beleagured civilians in Syria may well throw in their lot with Islamic State if the alternative is being daily barrelbombed by Assad. The destruction of infrastructure and heritage from attacks on the relatively weaker and more conscientious units is already bad – how much worse could it be when taking on factions well financed by the Saudis, covertly supported by Israel, and with the proceeds of vast wealth from selling oil to Assad?

          5. How much longer can mass migration of Syria’s population go before there are major destablisations in Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Turkey, Greece, Libya, Italy, Germany and Sweden? Is this is Russia’s interest?

          • Cyril Sneer

            For christ sake do some research. The SAA along with the Russians ARE attacking ISIS. If you had any idea of the current military offensives going on you wouldn’t parrot such US propaganda.

            It’s the west that is not attacking Al Nusa, Al Sham etc.

            This is what must be questioned and it tells us everything about who the west and Sunni allies have been supporting all this time.

      • Enoch Powell

        Putin’s a mad murderous dictator who wants to rebuild the USSR right up to Berlin and beyond.

        But he’s also immensely intelligent and plays the great game better than any other leader in any other country. Mainly because he understands that it is a game, whereas everyone in the West seems to think it’s some kind of high level opportunity to signal their virtue.

        • Katana Man

          So many zionists, actually putin is a hero. He doesn’t aid terrorists and have nwo globalist plans. Can you tell me which illegal invasions he has committed? Usa and England and monarchs friends have been at war in various places for decades now with millions dead so stupid you are. Putin kidnap ppl and torture them? For bankers profits? Your mates at the pentagon want to bring back torture too. Animal zionists lie all day.

          • Enoch Powell

            Illegal invasions in Georgia and Ukraine. Are you thick or just a Putinbot?

          • Katana Man

            No sorry Russia had to annex south osetia which is an all Russian speaking town after sakavali the night bomber killed thousands in their sleep, putin came to their rescue while sakavali begged u.n. For help, it was a provocation, that’s why that pos works in the Ukraine now and is avoiding extradition for war crimes. You are a spoon fed zionist. Victoria nuland a jew in the Whitehouse sponsored a regime change in the Ukraine, Google 5 billion democracy money nuland. Obama said that the usa provided a transition of government in Ukraine, he admitted this. You believe what mainstream globalist zionist news tells you. 5 billion taxpayers money spent to piss putin off. You must like mass immigration too, you zio jew buddies do. Stop pushing globalist zio mainstream lies please, you make yourself look like a filthy hasbara sayanim.

          • Enoch Powell

            So you’re a Putinbot. The terrible spelling suggested it, but thanks for confirming it.

            Seriously, if you’re gonna try and spout PutinPropaganda to the West, at least learn the language first. Otherwise you just look like a prize moron.

          • By Any

            In this argument you have thus far delivered no facts or reasoning to back up your claims, only insults.

            There are many fans of Putin here in the U.S. by the way, and one of those big Putin fans looks about ready to win the Republic nomination. Life is going to be good for the Putin fan club. I can hardly wait. 🙂

          • Aidarenok
          • Cyril Sneer

            It’s actually you that comes across as a prize moron for making such a stupid accusation when confronted with someone who has a differing opinion to you.

          • jeremy Morfey

            I am struggling to see any connection between zionism and the factional spat between Russians and Georgians in South Osetia. One person’s freedom fighters is another person’s terrorists, and the view that prevails is usually set by the side that wins.

            Zionist interference is national Government ordering a local authority how to spend its money. I really do not think it the business of George Osborne or anyone else lobbied by interests of the Netanhayu regime who the Council taxpayers of Leicester, Gwynedd, Swansea or Scotland decide to do business with.

          • Katana Man

            Read my comments, zionists regime changed Ukraine. Google nuland 5 billion democracy money. Stfu and read.

          • Ingmar Blessing

            1) The war in Georgia has been analyzed by the UN and they came to the clear conclusion that it has been entirely caused by Georgia.

            2) The regime-change in the Ukraine was a coup conducted by the CIA (and its German franchise KAS). Remember: The Ukrainian constitution demands 75% to depose the president and not 72% as it was.

            3) Russia has no military in the Ukraine. They surely deliver weapons and maybe some Russian soldiers are there (not on order by the Kremlin, but just not stopped by it), but Russia has NOT entered the Ukraine with its military!

            4) The Crimea has never really been a part of Russia and even if the OECD had sent observers, the result of the referendum wouldn’t have ended differently than it has.

          • jeremy Morfey

            Russia enters into local skirmishes with all the grace of a drunken enraged bear. Nevertheless, we cannot deny the courage or the strength of said bear, but nor can we expect refined sensitivity. As with all bears, the best way to handle it is to offer it something sweet as a bribe, and never turn your back to it.

            The situation in Ukraine was disingenuously spun by some in the West. The truth is that it has for centuries been two countries – an inland part that looks to Lithuania, and a coastal part from which came the original Russians who drove away Ghengis Khan. In modern times, one section speaks Ukrainian and looks to the West, and the other speaks Russia and looks to Moscow. For as long as both were in the Warsaw Pact, there was no problem, but any cessation of one part to NATO is bound to lead to trouble. This was threatened by the Maidan. Far better was to push for Ukraine to be a strictly neutral buffer nation with good relations with both Russia and the EU.

            I think you had an attack of brain-fade in Para 4. My understanding was that Crimea was very much part of Russia until Khrushchev gave it away in the 1950s.

          • Ingmar Blessing

            yep I did have a brain-fade.. or maybe it was my sub-conscience;-)

            On the rest: My agreement as well…

          • LUK

            Khrushchev transferred Crimea never an independent state Ukraine. Crimea was reassigned between the USSR for economic management. This does not mean the need for the inhabitants of the Crimea to speak Ukrainian. Crimea was and remained Russian.

          • Enoch Powell

            All bollocks and flat out lies.

          • By Any

            “All bollocks and flat out lies.”

            Might want to go actually read a history book and look at when Crimea became “part of Ukraine”.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You really are that blind.

          • LUK

            You need to look deeper into these topics.

        • Pioneer

          “wants to rebuild the USSR right up to Berlin and beyond.”

          Do you have any evidence for that, or are you just regurgitating what you have been constantly fed by western media?

        • knave27

          And you are also a moron brainwashed by Marxist BBC anti-Russian propaganda.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Everything Russia has done has been to protect its own interests against US neo-liberal attacks/transgressions. Whether in Georgia, Ukraine or Syria.

          Our real enemy is American neo-liberalism.

          • Enoch Powell

            Hahaha. Utter balls. Obama has done nothing but retreat for seven years.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Then you clearly haven’t got a clue.

          • Katana Man

            And zionism.

        • Katana Man

          Mad murderous dictators, sounds like Bush, Clinton and Obama. Putin been regime changing and invading countries for the past 50 years? Putin kill millions?

          • Enoch Powell

            Putin has no qualms about killing millions certainly. Although I don’t know why I’m bothering to argue with a Putin bot. Remember, Putin will kill you if you don’t write what they tell you to write in St Petersberg.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Putin has been superb in stopping the American regime change in its tracks. He’s run rings around Obama.

    • Grace Ironwood

      You are too kind to Obama: he is acting according to his post-colonialist Islamophile beliefs, with effective cover from his fellow travellers in the press.

  • wildcolonialboy

    Massively ironic for Oborne to be calling other people terrorists, given his friends in the Muslim Brotherhood. Oborne is basically a right-wing Corbyn, and holds to the old pro-Arabist position, so characteristic of the British upper-class, that Thatcher despised.

    Frankly, Oborne’s antics are a disgrace and are a discredit to this publication

    • Pioneer

      MB would be in favour of Al Nusra, etc. Your post makes no sense.

    • Grace Ironwood

      why?

    • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

      Visiting a war-torn country is not antics. Care to make your point from there???

  • John Andrews

    You have to respect the views of a man who has just visited Aleppo.

  • Pioneer

    “why has it been British government policy to turn the ancient city of Aleppo into present-day Kandahar?”

    The British government are just doing what the Obama administration tells them.

    • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

      Poodlism at its best? Worst? Sorry, poodles!

  • Jacobi

    Mr Oborne, you have started something, bringing so many prejudices out into the open – which is actually quite a good thing!

    The real players in the Syrian conflict are exposed. With Saudi-Arabia sending in ground forces (they have probably been there in any case for some time) and Ottoman Turkey openly shelling into Syria, and threatening to further flood Islam into Europe unless we fork out more lolly, we now can see that Syria has all along been a conflict between Sunni, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, ISIL, and of course, Ottoman Turkey to eliminate all non-Sunni branches of Islam and incidently to use the resulting refugees/migrants, or whatever they are, as Muslim religious migrants to Sunni Islamise Europe.

    The effectiveness of the Russian air strikes is in stark contrast to the totally ineffectiveness, deliberately so, of the American ( and lets not
    forget our odd UK bomb or two ), efforts. We have our weapons sales to Saudi and Qatar and Turkey to think of after all, do we not?

    • Jacobi

      And as we hear in todays news Turkish aircraft now actually bombing inside Syria, no doubt using US supplied aircraft and possibly UK supplied bombs. We live in interesting times!

  • boiledcabbage

    You can rely on the Foreign Office / MOD getting hold of the wrong end of the stick time and again. The Afghan deployment was a disaster, yet to be admitted. They seem to live in a fog of incompetence and prejudice.

    • By Any

      At least the bureaucratic lap dogs and the military attack dogs get fed well for their services. I’m not sure what the rest of the population gets out of this in order to consent to allowing this stupidity and evil over and over again.

  • Sid Falco

    Oborne makes a good point rarely heard – most of the jihadis aren’t even Syrian – they are Chechens, Uighurs and all manner of Arabs and Moors – drawn to Syria for jihad, rape and booty.

    • By Any

      And flown in on American C-130’s, equipped with American made M4’s sporting ACOG and night vision sights, and given training by American special forces. Gosh, at that point you almost have to call them American military forces.

  • fred flintstone

    Simple, The UK does what the USA tell them to do and the USA wants to replace President Assad with a puppet they can control. They promote democracy but Syria is on of the only democratic Muslim countries in the world. Assad was democratically elected twice and it was also approved by the UN. The USA should have gone in to Help Assad not help destroy him.

    • mikewaller

      Are you as naive as you seem?

      • fred flintstone

        You must be if you cannot see it.

      • By Any

        Bet you are a Rubio or Jeb fan, aren’t you mikewaller? “Because they’re the only serious candidates in the room.” HAHAHA I can’t even say that with a straight face.

        • mikewaller

          Why should I take that much interest is a deeply unattractive series of political spats in a former colony?

          • Cyril Sneer

            Are you really a fan of Rubio and Bush?

            Robot Rubio and Jeb ‘where’s my applause’ Bush. Jesus wept.

      • Cyril Sneer

        You clearly are.

  • Grace Ironwood

    Finally!

    I read an article around decade ago, written by a visiting Australian priest who travelled around Syria visiting minority Christian communities. Although he fully recognised the oppressive nature of Baathist’s – as far the regime was concerned – told him that, as long as you don’t challenge the regime directly, people were left to worship and think asy pleased. Residents felt it was the most tolerant country in the ME.

    Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the least bad. I’ve been dismayed, that, as events have unfolded, the West has been and continues to be on the wrong side: we are at a bad pass when we have to admit that it’s Putin who is the statesman.

    • jeremy Morfey

      Ten years ago, I agree there was nothing under Assad’s leadership that required outside intervention.

      It was in 2011 that the Arab Spring, particularly deposing Mubarek in Egypt that spooked Assad. Since then, he has been a nutcase, smashing everything of value in sight in a fit of crazed destructiveness and driving millions of his people into destabilising exile all over Europe.

      Since then, others have followed his example and piled in, and nobody really emerges there with any honour, and those who do have honour are being hammered.

      Does Putin really believe he can put the genie back in the bottle, and restore Assad back to pre-2011 mental health? Or will it be just wave after wave of bombing and hundreds of thousands of the uprooted

      from all classes including the criminal, on and on like an Orwellian nightmare?

      On the other hand, is there an alternative?

      • BarbaraMcK42

        I have to hand it to you, this is a new development on the classic NATO bad al Assad bombs and uses sarin on his own people, moving on fast when it’s debunked. Smashing everything in sight? What unbridled nonsense!

        Why do think the biggest Syrian migration is internal, with everyone desperate to get to government run areas? Why do you think there are always huge celebrations when towns are liberated from jihadists (or democratic rebels if you prefer) eg in Homs? I am looking forward to the celebrations that will be held in Aleppo soon.

        All Syrians, and Syria well-wishers, are desperate for the genie to go back in the bottle. If it is possible to rebuild the Syria that was, Christians and Muslims will be closer than ever (witness the Xmas celebrations in Homs) and they won’t be getting rid of al Assad in a hurry.

        • jeremy Morfey

          The best thing that can happen in Syria is for every ancient monument, every smashed mosque, church, temple and synagogue, every carved door in every souk and every arched alleyway to be lovingly restored, and if necessary rebuilt, by Syrian craftsmen as a Statement that the forces of evil and destruction can never prevail. It could be Assad’s greatest tribute to the world, if there was the vision and the political will.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Your posts make little sense whilst actively avoiding answering the most pertinent questions.

      • By Any

        Well, jeremy, I am really touched to hear that you care so much about freedom, democracy, apple pie, and all those nice things that the world should have.

        Now would you agree that Saudi Arabia is one of the world’s largest sponsors of terrorism and has caused more havoc and destruction in this world than Syria and its various regimes ever has? Would care to demand access to the 28 redacted pages from the 9/11 Commission Report that are hinted to talk about how Saudi Arabia sponsored and aided in the 9/11 terror attack that started all of this madness?

        Probably not, would be my guess, because you’re just another lying hypocrite who only cares about freedom, democracy, and apple pie when it’s convenient.

        • jeremy Morfey

          I do not think you have ready any of my comments, and I doubt you have even read the one you are responding to, or you would not make such silly assumptions.

          I suggested only a few days ago the Saudi sources of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that was wrongly pinned by Dubbya Bush and Tony Blair on Saddam Hussein. Iran seems also to have been implicated in the exporting of world terror, but apart from insulting the Israelis (which seems a national pastime), I struggle to see what part they played in this atrocity. I have also on several occasions criticised the near-total demolition by the Saudis of Mecca and Medina – places that are of critical importance to all Muslims – and their replacement with grotesque 5-star resorts modelled on Las Vegas corporate profiteering commercialism, the very opposite of what a lot of Muslims think their religion stands for. It is no accident that the demolition contractors both of the WTC twin towers and of the holy places of Islamic pilgrimage were the Bin Laden family.

          As for apple pie – I am trying to lose weight, so I’ve given that up for Lent. As a good Catholic, I’d dearly like to give up celibacy. Now that would be a real bit of self-denial, but it takes two to give up celibacy, and I struggle finding someone to collaborate. Freedom and democracy – well that comes and goes, and I hang on to the little scraps I am permitted.

      • Grace Ironwood

        Do Russia’s national interests require Assad regaining control of the whole of ex-Syria, or supporting the Shia

      • Grace Ironwood

        Do Russia’s national interests require Assad regaining control of the whole of Syria, or Iran finally gaining world domination over the Sunni?

        Look at Russia’s national interests and, indeed their statements, to find your alternative – and common ground.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Wow this sounds remarkably similiar wishy washy generic garbage spouted by the Neo cons in the USA when they want to destroy another independent country.

        I don’t know who you think you’re convincing with this generic BS but a little less hysteria wouldn’t go amiss.

        Syrians want security and peace and the only way to achieve is to destroy this foreign backed jihadi rebellion. The only thing the west offers is more war and a genocide should the Syrian government and armed forces fail.

        • jeremy Morfey

          Not sure you’ve read my comment either.

          By destroying this foreign backed jihadi rebellion, must Assad and his allies reduce the whole nation to rubble and export its people to exile all over Europe, mostly never to return? You may as well argue that you cure a headache by cutting off the head, which I suppose is true, but hardly constructive.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Assad is not destroying the whole nation to rubble. Could I ask you to refrain from hysteria.
            How would you remove heavily armed groups such as ISIS and Al Nusra if you won’t allow them to be attacked and defeated militarily?

            Your post is hardly constructive considering you’re complaining about a leader of a country using the army to defeat armed jihadists. You make no suggestion as to how these jihadists are to be defeated by non-military means?

            Would you welcome these jihadsts in your country and if not, why not? And why is it different for Syria?

          • jeremy Morfey

            That’s not the impression I’m getting. Assad was bombing Aleppo before the Islamists moved in. True, Assad was not responsible for what went on in Palmyra, but I do think you are lying by suggesting that Assad’s forces are not causing substantial destruction and civilian terror. Where do you get your information that the majority who are running from war itself, are fleeing from Assad’s attacks?

            Nor do I think Assad is attacking ISIS with any great vigour. Indeed I have heard that Assad is buying oil from ISIS wells, providing the latter with funds. Can you deny this? It is an unholy alliance, and I think it stinks. Most of Assad’s efforts are going in attacking political opponents who are not linked to salafists. The Turkmens and the Kurds may have their own separatist claims, but every nation, including mine, has its separatist minorities and its Governments are judged by how they can handle these without dropping the nation into anarchy and civil war.

            Can you deny that at least 10 million of Syria’s population are either in exile or internally displaced?

            You are not prepared to listen to my posts because they do not tally with the line you are pushing. So be it. You need to do better than this if you are to convince an independent reader.

  • Georgi Georgiev
  • lakelander

    Thank you for this article, Mr Oborne. Without your brave journalism – putting your life at risk to gather the facts on the ground – our knowledge of of the situation in Aleppo would be poorer.

    I have followed your trips to dangerous locations (e.g. Karachi and Zimbabwe) and have always been impressed by the way you put yourself in harms way to bring home the bacon.

    I look forward to reading your memoirs one day.

  • Randal

    Government-held Aleppo was under siege from jihadi forces until late last year. That was never reported. Now the areas of Aleppo held by the rebels are coming under siege. That is reported in the western press as a catastrophe, and has brought a concerned response from the British Foreign Secretary.

    And yet we casually accept that our government and news outlets like the Telegraph, Guardian, BBC and (as often as not) the Spectator have lied to us, continue to lie to us, will get away with it, and will do it again next time. And as a result those of us who have tried to present the truth have routinely been accused of lying ourselves, or abused as “Assad apologists” or “Kremlin trolls”.

    And these lies are not consequence-free. They have in the past enabled our government to lie us into disastrous wars (Iraq and Libya), and they nearly enabled them to lie us into a probably even more disastrous one in Syria in 2013. They will keep lying us into such disasters until we find some way to hold them to account.

    But how can that be done, when most of our political and media elites are at best complacent and at worst complicit?

  • By Any

    “When the history of the Syrian civil war is finally written, historians
    will indeed have to confront the question: why has it been British
    government policy to turn the ancient city of Aleppo into present-day
    Kandahar?”

    Because the people in charge of your country are Sabbatean Frankists – members of a Satanic death cult that drinks blood and eats the meat of babies. When the realization of this finally sets in to the human mind in the west, there will be one of three responses based on the individual’s true nature: 1) catatonic terror; 2) embracing evil and joining with it; 3) rebelling against evil with the totality of mind, body, and soul.

    I know what side I’m on. What side are you on?

    • Jeff Shoup

      Daaamn! That answer could use some work.

      • Guy New

        here this finishes what he was saying….

        THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING THE LAST WEEK IN MY POST HERE BUT I ADD EVEN MORE TO THIS STORY.. THE REASON WHY ………………..
        http://journal-neo.org/2016/02/21/mr-president-sir-are-you-about-to-blow-up-the-middle-east-2/
        but i have a feeling everything we see with regards to what is happening in the world is by our own strength and not directed by our father above yet there will come a time when our father draws the people back to the land until then see here what i mean ==> THE WAR ON SYRIA IS PERSONAL FOR ERDOGAN HE IS A SABBATEAN – DONMEH = FAKE MUSLIM = SATANIST = NWO PEEP = CONTROLLED BY THE ELITE TO CREAT HAVOC = SELL ARMS TO PEOPLE BY TAXES = TERROR = WORLD DOMINATION …. OF ONLY THE MILITARY WOULD NOT FIGHT FOR HIM BUT STOP HIM AND OTHERS LIKE HIM… we need the same to happen here in the USA .. we need our military to stop fighting and get ahold of the leaders = satanis who believe that if they create a world of eviltheir mahdi = messiah = antichrist will return .. evel people masons .. illuninati = zionist = followers of satan

        IT IS BEYOND ISRAEL = SABBATEANS = INFILTRATED EVERY GOVERNMENT = EVERY RELIGION = EVERY EDUCATION SYSTEM = EVERY NEWS AND TV = TO CONTROL THE WORLD = USING THE BIBLE AND QUARAN ETC AS THEIR PLAYBOOKS =WITH SATAN = LUCIFER AS THEIR LEADER = HERE IS THE WWIII START with saudi arabia and turkey fighting in syria then Iran splits up saudi arabia to make the final part of the 10 world nations

        /the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003
        http://yournewswire.com/the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003/

        The leaders of Saudi Arabia are not muslims but Sabbateans and so are the same for Turkey = all DONMEH’s = sabbateans = frankist and all countries ..
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        The Satanic Cult That Rules the World
        http://www.henrymakow.com/the_satanic_cult_that_rules_th.html
        The Satanic Cult That Rules the World

        According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: “Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners.”
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

        this is a plan to reduce millions of people and garner control over the world. this will make for a greater Israel as many kind Orthodox Jews will also be sacrificed to garner sympathy for Israel (just like what happened during WWII) but the ones who will live will end up being mostly sabbateans who run Israel and hollywood and all governments and all banks and all religions and all schools and news .. and then they will continue attacking all christians as they have done by undermining our laws and schools and education systems. with GAYS AND TRANSGENDERS Then the great antichrist will return

        I HAVE BEEN POSTING THIS MANS MESSAGE FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW AND HE IS RIGHT … SAUDI ARABIA WILL BE BROKEN APART https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3y4EN7UIo
        THIS IS WHY GAS IS SO CHEAP TO MAKE SAUDI ARABIA POOR FOR THIS WAR THEY WILL FIGHT AND LOSE TO IRAN AND RUSSIA

        the major plan here is to wipe out as many people as possible with this war so the rich powerful elite take what is left for themselves and to remove any people who follow God .. these people running this war are SABBATEANS = fake Turks = Fake arabs = fake Jews = fake muslims

        /the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003
        http://yournewswire.com/the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003/

        HE WILL COME OUT OF A WELL SAYS THE MUSLIMS ===> ROB SKIBA SAYS THEY FOUND NIMRODS BODY IN A CHAMBER BETWEEN THE SPHINX AND THE PYRAMID BELOW A WELL OF WATER THEY PUMPED OUT AND SO ISLAM SAYS HE WILL COME OUT OF A WELL THEIR MESSIAH

        >>no it is not the same location but it does point to the same thing< https://youtu.be/Scwr5sqwu8c?t=326

        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQYczvHQO6k
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ROB SKIBA VIDEO

        Ahmadinejad is reportedly tied to a radical Islamic society in Iran that believes man can hasten the appearance of the Mahdi by creating chaos in the world.

        Cantrell explained, “Ahmadinejad has stated that this chaos must take place before the Mahdi can come on the scene.”

        Some wonder if Ahmadinejad believes these are ‘the end times,’ and whether his calls for the destruction of Israel and nuclear pursuits are ways to accelerate the divine timetable.

        And if all this wasn’t mystical enough, there’s also the belief that when the Mahdi comes back, he will be accompanied by Jesus Christ.

        Cantrell further explained, “The Mahdi will take Jesus to Mecca, they will circum-ambulate the Kabah together. The Mahdi will teach Jesus to pray; at which time Jesus will then replace the Gospel with the Koran, and then all of us Christians, wherever you are on the face of the earth, will convert to Islam because Islam will be deemed the one lasting pure religion.”

        As the West drifts closer to a potential showdown over Iran’s nuclear program, followers of the Mahdi are getting ready for judgment day.

        And many of them are convinced that President Ahmadinjead will fulfill his divine mission to prepare the world for the coming of the Islamic ‘savior.’

    • Guy New

      amen ==

      THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING THE LAST WEEK IN MY POST HERE BUT I ADD EVEN MORE TO THIS STORY.. THE REASON WHY ………………..
      http://journal-neo.org/2016/02/21/mr-president-sir-are-you-about-to-blow-up-the-middle-east-2/
      but i have a feeling everything we see with regards to what is happening in the world is by our own strength and not directed by our father above yet there will come a time when our father draws the people back to the land until then see here what i mean ==> THE WAR ON SYRIA IS PERSONAL FOR ERDOGAN HE IS A SABBATEAN – DONMEH = FAKE MUSLIM = SATANIST = NWO PEEP = CONTROLLED BY THE ELITE TO CREAT HAVOC = SELL ARMS TO PEOPLE BY TAXES = TERROR = WORLD DOMINATION …. OF ONLY THE MILITARY WOULD NOT FIGHT FOR HIM BUT STOP HIM AND OTHERS LIKE HIM… we need the same to happen here in the USA .. we need our military to stop fighting and get ahold of the leaders = satanis who believe that if they create a world of eviltheir mahdi = messiah = antichrist will return .. evel people masons .. illuninati = zionist = followers of satan

      IT IS BEYOND ISRAEL = SABBATEANS = INFILTRATED EVERY GOVERNMENT = EVERY RELIGION = EVERY EDUCATION SYSTEM = EVERY NEWS AND TV = TO CONTROL THE WORLD = USING THE BIBLE AND QUARAN ETC AS THEIR PLAYBOOKS =WITH SATAN = LUCIFER AS THEIR LEADER = HERE IS THE WWIII START with saudi arabia and turkey fighting in syria then Iran splits up saudi arabia to make the final part of the 10 world nations

      /the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003
      http://yournewswire.com/the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003/

      The leaders of Saudi Arabia are not muslims but Sabbateans and so are the same for Turkey = all DONMEH’s = sabbateans = frankist and all countries ..
      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      The Satanic Cult That Rules the World
      http://www.henrymakow.com/the_satanic_cult_that_rules_th.html
      The Satanic Cult That Rules the World

      According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: “Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners.”
      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      this is a plan to reduce millions of people and garner control over the world. this will make for a greater Israel as many kind Orthodox Jews will also be sacrificed to garner sympathy for Israel (just like what happened during WWII) but the ones who will live will end up being mostly sabbateans who run Israel and hollywood and all governments and all banks and all religions and all schools and news .. and then they will continue attacking all christians as they have done by undermining our laws and schools and education systems. with GAYS AND TRANSGENDERS Then the great antichrist will return

      I HAVE BEEN POSTING THIS MANS MESSAGE FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW AND HE IS RIGHT … SAUDI ARABIA WILL BE BROKEN APART https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3y4EN7UIo
      THIS IS WHY GAS IS SO CHEAP TO MAKE SAUDI ARABIA POOR FOR THIS WAR THEY WILL FIGHT AND LOSE TO IRAN AND RUSSIA

      the major plan here is to wipe out as many people as possible with this war so the rich powerful elite take what is left for themselves and to remove any people who follow God .. these people running this war are SABBATEANS = fake Turks = Fake arabs = fake Jews = fake muslims

      /the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003
      http://yournewswire.com/the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003/

      HE WILL COME OUT OF A WELL SAYS THE MUSLIMS ===> ROB SKIBA SAYS THEY FOUND NIMRODS BODY IN A CHAMBER BETWEEN THE SPHINX AND THE PYRAMID BELOW A WELL OF WATER THEY PUMPED OUT AND SO ISLAM SAYS HE WILL COME OUT OF A WELL THEIR MESSIAH

      >>no it is not the same location but it does point to the same thing< https://youtu.be/Scwr5sqwu8c?t=326

      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQYczvHQO6k
      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ROB SKIBA VIDEO

      Ahmadinejad is reportedly tied to a radical Islamic society in Iran that believes man can hasten the appearance of the Mahdi by creating chaos in the world.

      Cantrell explained, “Ahmadinejad has stated that this chaos must take place before the Mahdi can come on the scene.”

      Some wonder if Ahmadinejad believes these are ‘the end times,’ and whether his calls for the destruction of Israel and nuclear pursuits are ways to accelerate the divine timetable.

      And if all this wasn’t mystical enough, there’s also the belief that when the Mahdi comes back, he will be accompanied by Jesus Christ.

      Cantrell further explained, “The Mahdi will take Jesus to Mecca, they will circum-ambulate the Kabah together. The Mahdi will teach Jesus to pray; at which time Jesus will then replace the Gospel with the Koran, and then all of us Christians, wherever you are on the face of the earth, will convert to Islam because Islam will be deemed the one lasting pure religion.”

      As the West drifts closer to a potential showdown over Iran’s nuclear program, followers of the Mahdi are getting ready for judgment day.

      And many of them are convinced that President Ahmadinjead will fulfill his divine mission to prepare the world for the coming of the Islamic ‘savior.’

  • StukaPilot

    why? Because Zionist-Globalist billionaires own the political class in Britain (and America, and Europe) and Israel wants the Shi’a Crescent (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon) broken…to cut off Iran from Hezbollah. And the only available tools are the Sunni Arab States (Egypt, SA, Turkey) and the Sunni terrorists they control. The Shi’a Crescent is also allied with Russia, a White Nation that the Jews want destroyed. Because it too demands borders and resists Judeo-globalization. It all comes down to…the Tikkun Olam

  • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

    Britain and its NATO allies should be thoroughly ashamed. They have supported and armed the same kind of Islamic fanatics in Syria that caused the 9/11, 7/7 and Paris murders. Just to get their way and remove Assad. How many refugees were there from Syria when Assad was in control and before the “Arab spring”??? The lies of our leaders must be exposed for all to see.

    • Neil Hallett

      Bashar al-Assad, the legitimate leader of Syria, is fighting a foreign-backed insurgency. It is not and never was a civil war. The George W Bush dual-citizen israeli PNAC neocons stated their intention of invading/destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Lebanon and Iran …. in 2000. We all know that 9/11 was an inside job to further this plan. There were no WMD’s in Iraq. Bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan. The Libyan conflict was never a civil war. That too was an insurgency funded and aided by these same forces and their military arm, NATO. The exact same thing is happening in Syria. Assad is fully entitled to use everything in his power, including calling on his allies, to help in the fight against US/Rothschild imperialism, Who do you think ISIS are? It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that they are funded and supplied by those who wish to see Assad deposed and his country reduced to the shambles that has befallen Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. And we all know who wishes to see regime change in Syria. Putin is standing in the way. He too is a leader with credibilty and the balls to say to these israel-first Rothschild puppets – enough is enough.

      • Mow_the_Grass

        Kerrist – where we turn off this continuous BS.
        How much does a krembot earn these days – can we match it?
        Same BS posted already a coupla times.
        Need to get ‘head office’ to send you page 2.
        Now go get all your phony ID’s to upvote/downvote.
        “Neil Hallet’ – my @ss.

        • Cyril Sneer

          So which part of his post did you not agree with and why?

          Perhaps you have something you could add to the discussion other than accuse someone of being a ‘krembot’. Aren’t you embarrassed to make such accusations of someone you’ve never met?

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Got coupla things for you.
            1. does anybody on this blog and elsewhere – actually get to meet (met) any of the other posters (if so let me know – got a coupla people need a lil ‘straigtening out’
            2. what part of 9/11 being an ‘inside job’ – nut case conspiracy theory – do you fail to grasp.
            btw – one other thing for nothing – you’re an imbecile.

          • Cyril Sneer

            They don’t generally get to meet fellow posters in person but there are many regular posters here who have been contributing for years on a variety of subjects. Are all these people krembots? Perhaps you could actually prove they are paid by the Kremlin because all i’m seeing here is that you accuse people of being Krembots simply because they disagree with what you say. If that’s true than that says more about you than it does them.

            Second, re 911, years ago I would look upon conspiracy theorists with a giant pinch of salt. As it turns out much of what they say has turned out to be true. For 911, I have no idea if the US government is in on it so I have always reserved judgement. But what I will say is the US government has form for false flag attacks and propaganda much of which seems to have done the trick on you.

            Thanks for calling me an imbecile but alas I’m not the one who accuses others of being paid by the kremlin when encountering a differing point of view.

        • Neil Hallett

          Typical hasbara bullshit …. personal insults and meaningless drivel … the last resort of a shill with no substantive argument. Seen it all before, boy. Time you got a new job.

  • Guy New

    THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING THE LAST WEEK IN MY POST HERE BUT I ADD EVEN MORE TO THIS STORY.. THE REASON WHY ………………..
    http://journal-neo.org/2016/02/21/mr-president-sir-are-you-about-to-blow-up-the-middle-east-2/
    but i have a feeling everything we see with regards to what is happening in the world is by our own strength and not directed by our father above yet there will come a time when our father draws the people back to the land until then see here what i mean ==> THE WAR ON SYRIA IS PERSONAL FOR ERDOGAN HE IS A SABBATEAN – DONMEH = FAKE MUSLIM = SATANIST = NWO PEEP = CONTROLLED BY THE ELITE TO CREAT HAVOC = SELL ARMS TO PEOPLE BY TAXES = TERROR = WORLD DOMINATION …. OF ONLY THE MILITARY WOULD NOT FIGHT FOR HIM BUT STOP HIM AND OTHERS LIKE HIM… we need the same to happen here in the USA .. we need our military to stop fighting and get ahold of the leaders = satanis who believe that if they create a world of eviltheir mahdi = messiah = antichrist will return .. evel people masons .. illuninati = zionist = followers of satan

    IT IS BEYOND ISRAEL = SABBATEANS = INFILTRATED EVERY GOVERNMENT = EVERY RELIGION = EVERY EDUCATION SYSTEM = EVERY NEWS AND TV = TO CONTROL THE WORLD = USING THE BIBLE AND QUARAN ETC AS THEIR PLAYBOOKS =WITH SATAN = LUCIFER AS THEIR LEADER = HERE IS THE WWIII START with saudi arabia and turkey fighting in syria then Iran splits up saudi arabia to make the final part of the 10 world nations

    /the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003
    http://yournewswire.com/the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003/

    The leaders of Saudi Arabia are not muslims but Sabbateans and so are the same for Turkey = all DONMEH’s = sabbateans = frankist and all countries ..
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    The Satanic Cult That Rules the World
    http://www.henrymakow.com/the_satanic_cult_that_rules_th.html
    The Satanic Cult That Rules the World

    According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: “Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners.”
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    this is a plan to reduce millions of people and garner control over the world. this will make for a greater Israel as many kind Orthodox Jews will also be sacrificed to garner sympathy for Israel (just like what happened during WWII) but the ones who will live will end up being mostly sabbateans who run Israel and hollywood and all governments and all banks and all religions and all schools and news .. and then they will continue attacking all christians as they have done by undermining our laws and schools and education systems. with GAYS AND TRANSGENDERS Then the great antichrist will return

    I HAVE BEEN POSTING THIS MANS MESSAGE FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW AND HE IS RIGHT … SAUDI ARABIA WILL BE BROKEN APART https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3y4EN7UIo
    THIS IS WHY GAS IS SO CHEAP TO MAKE SAUDI ARABIA POOR FOR THIS WAR THEY WILL FIGHT AND LOSE TO IRAN AND RUSSIA

    the major plan here is to wipe out as many people as possible with this war so the rich powerful elite take what is left for themselves and to remove any people who follow God .. these people running this war are SABBATEANS = fake Turks = Fake arabs = fake Jews = fake muslims

    /the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003
    http://yournewswire.com/the-usas-attempt-to-destroy-syria-was-planned-in-2003/

    HE WILL COME OUT OF A WELL SAYS THE MUSLIMS ===> ROB SKIBA SAYS THEY FOUND NIMRODS BODY IN A CHAMBER BETWEEN THE SPHINX AND THE PYRAMID BELOW A WELL OF WATER THEY PUMPED OUT AND SO ISLAM SAYS HE WILL COME OUT OF A WELL THEIR MESSIAH

    >>no it is not the same location but it does point to the same thing< https://youtu.be/Scwr5sqwu8c?t=326

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQYczvHQO6k
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ROB SKIBA VIDEO

    Ahmadinejad is reportedly tied to a radical Islamic society in Iran that believes man can hasten the appearance of the Mahdi by creating chaos in the world.

    Cantrell explained, “Ahmadinejad has stated that this chaos must take place before the Mahdi can come on the scene.”

    Some wonder if Ahmadinejad believes these are ‘the end times,’ and whether his calls for the destruction of Israel and nuclear pursuits are ways to accelerate the divine timetable.

    And if all this wasn’t mystical enough, there’s also the belief that when the Mahdi comes back, he will be accompanied by Jesus Christ.

    Cantrell further explained, “The Mahdi will take Jesus to Mecca, they will circum-ambulate the Kabah together. The Mahdi will teach Jesus to pray; at which time Jesus will then replace the Gospel with the Koran, and then all of us Christians, wherever you are on the face of the earth, will convert to Islam because Islam will be deemed the one lasting pure religion.”

    As the West drifts closer to a potential showdown over Iran’s nuclear program, followers of the Mahdi are getting ready for judgment day.

    And many of them are convinced that President Ahmadinjead will fulfill his divine mission to prepare the world for the coming of the Islamic ‘savior.’

    • Mow_the_Grass

      Best feature with disqus is the ‘collapse’ button.
      Zap – and you’re gone.

  • xoanon

    Why does the mainstream media shy away from revealing that the UK is supporting terrorists in Syria? Or so called ‘Moderate Daesh rebels’ as they like to call them.

  • sattar rind

    a great article and very thoughtful and yes i have the same question with a minor(!?) amendment that why US/UK and NATO forces supporting the ISIS

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