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If the migrant crisis goes on like this, there may be no EU for Britain to leave

Intransigence over borders and benefits is feeding extremist politics across the continent

27 February 2016

9:00 AM

27 February 2016

9:00 AM

Imagine if Nigel Farage declared that police should be ready to shoot migrants trying to make it from Calais to Britain; saying: ‘I don’t want to do this, but the use of armed force is there as a last resort.’ And imagine that in spite of this — or perhaps because of it — Ukip were to overtake the Labour party in a national poll to become the most popular opposition party. This, in effect, is what is happening in Germany.

The words above were spoken by Frauke Petry, leader of Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), the insurgent party which is threatening to make large gains in state elections in three key German regions next month. A poll for the newspaper Bild, held after Petry made her remarks at the end of January, put the party ahead of the Social Democrats, the Greens and the Left. It is now poised for a series of triumphs in the state-assembly elections.

While the possibility of Brexit dominates the news in Britain, a bigger story is brewing in Europe: the EU’s ideal of free movement is collapsing under the weight of political reality. An inability to respond to this crisis is sending millions of voters to extremists, now on the march across the continent. By the time David Cameron’s four-month campaign for Britain to stay in the EU ends, it may be overtaken by events.

The AfD is similar to Ukip, but its rise has been much swifter. It was founded by academics during the euro crisis three years ago. Last year its Eurosceptic founders were ousted and it evolved into more of an anti-immigration party.

In Germany the political climate is incendiary. Here, we fret over the colour of the front doors of the houses in which asylum-seekers are housed. In Germany last weekend, a small crowd gathered in the town of Bautzen to cheer as a building that was being prepared as a hostel for migrants burned to the ground.

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Meanwhile, a mob surrounded a coach taking refugees to a hostel in Clausnitz near the Czech border. When the refugees were reluctant to disembark, police dragged some of them out of the bus and to the hostel. No wonder German politicians claim the ‘police can’t cope’. Sickeningly, there were 920 attacks on refugee hostels in Germany last year.

All this might come as a surprise to Britons who remember residents of Munich gathering at the city’s railway station last September to cheer newly arrived migrants, shortly after Angela Merkel had announced that anyone who made it to Germany would be welcome to stay. Germany appears to be swinging from one extreme to the other.

Much of the blame lies with the Chancellor herself. As this magazine argued at the time, her call for Syrian refugees to come to Germany was a tragic mistake — a massive fillip to what was this week revealed to be a £4 billion industry in human trafficking. In trying to set Germany apart as a champion of humanitarian values, she not only overrode legitimate concerns as to how its welfare system would cope with large numbers of migrants, but overlooked what has long been clear to those working at the forefront of the migrant crisis: the people arriving in Europe are not all refugees.

The EU is beginning to admit that about half of its ‘asylum-seekers’ are no such thing. Many, perhaps most, may turn out to be an asset to European economies. But the authorities are unable to cope with the influx and that causes understandable alarm — which, if dismissed as xenophobia, converts into support for populist parties.

The latest data shows that 110,000 people have arrived in Europe by sea so far this year — a tenfold increase on the corresponding period last year. A third are children, many unaccompanied, which presents governments with huge, unprecedented challenges. Children need not just classrooms to study in but homes to stay in. The Swedes have set up homes for these unaccompanied children; last month, a worker at one of the new hostels was killed by one of the teenage wards. Polls suggest the far-right Sweden Democrats are now almost as popular as the governing Social Democrats.

The Belgians this week reinforced their French border with 300 additional officers. While Cameron was trying (and failing) to secure a decent deal with the EU, Austria and Slovenia were coming under attack for having the temerity to limit asylum applications. The EU’s commissars said this is ‘plainly incompatible’ with their law — in which case there is something wrong with EU law.

The EU’s inability to respond to the sheer pace of demographic change means it is becoming a source of instability within Europe. Its member states are asking for the basic tools of nationhood: the ability to control borders, check passports and decide who qualifies for welfare. In refusing, the EU intensifies the crisis. Its intransigence undermines public support for immigration and incubates political crisis —as Angela Merkel is now discovering.

The Prime Minister said this week that Britain must stay in the EU because the country would struggle to negotiate a better trade deal with Brussels in two years’ time. But by then, it is far from clear that there will be an EU at all.

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  • Rik

    Fine ,fine,couldn’t resist the dig at UKIP could you, conflating them with the far right which is nonsense.Your sneers at the fact the people are reminding the EU elites and their own politicians that they work for the people not the people for them are business as usual.Democracy is suuuuuuuch a b#tch when you don’t get the results you want.Lastest is the EU are threatening to expel or suspend members that elect eurosceptic or right wing governments,so democracy means socialism,who knew.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      For far right, hooligan, neo-Nazi, skinhead … Read patriot.

      • mr humphreys

        Liberty GB say ‘culturist’ which will never catch on (too middle class). Patriot is a good suggestion but we don’t want to be second fiddle to our American cousins. Nationalist is what we are but not the right time to wear our heart on our nationalist sleeve. Wouldn’t ‘Patriotist’ resolve all the problems? Seriously.

  • Nick

    ‘Intransigence over borders and benefits is feeding extremist politics across the continent’.

    Dear Spectator,

    There was no need to use the word ‘extremist’ in the above subheading.Just because we are concerned about mass immigration does not make us extremists.

    Remember,there are many millions of us who are hard working intelligent people who earn more than reporters and those in the media as well as politicians.

    You need us to keep the country running but we don’t need you.

    Your sincerely,Nick.

    • Jacobi

      Watch that E…….. word. The Spec will get away with it but you might end up gaged – like so many others of us have done?

      • Nick

        Noted 😉

    • Katabasis

      Amen to that. Getting sick to death of this.

      Come out on the streets to protest against mass rape = “extremist”
      Oppose open borders and providing welfare to endless numbers of gimmegrants = “extremist”
      Object to the country borrowing money & cutting services (e.g. certain cancer drugs) whilst handing over £11bn+ annual in “international aid” = “extremist”.

      • Nick

        And Cameron wonders why so many people want to leave the EU.

      • Richard Young

        Ahem,cough.Forgive me old chap.No wish to be rude,but the aid figure is £15billion and rising.This does not of course include our contribution to that paragon of virtue,the contemptible UN.

        • Katabasis

          No need to ask for forgiveness my friend. I confess I hadn’t checked it recently. I think part of me didn’t want to just in case I went postal in parliament…

  • Social Justice Warrior

    what scaremongering nonsense. The EU is stronger than ever and will survive the rise of evil far right parties like UKIP, FN and AfD

    Europe’s a big continent, there’s plenty of room. The more the merrier I say, and anybody who disagrees with me is a racist

    • WFB56

      “….and anybody who disagrees with me is a racist.”

      Charming.

      • Pioneer

        It is a spoof.

        • WFB56

          Not based on the preceding text.

      • Hybird

        Is anybody bothered about being called a “racist” anymore. I know I’m not. Water off a duck’s back.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          “How dare you”
          “How dare you”
          “You’re a racist”
          “Do you live in a racist country?
          That’s what a white Immigration officer screamed at me when I arrived at London Heathrow on 1st February.
          So watch out for Adolph, the attack dog of Terminal 5.
          Jack, multicultural Malaysia

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Racist, the modern word for heretic.

    • Libertybelle

      “You cannot refuse to be judged by the people, and if necessary sanctioned and punished by them,” said Marine Le Pen to the EU. “That is the essence of democracy. I believe the punishment for you will be brutal, and the recompense for the British people will be freedom.” This doesn’t sound extreme to me.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        From the Halls of Montezuma
        To the shores of Tripoli …

    • KingEric

      Being defined as a racist by the likes of you way is way better than living in a dreamland and totally ignoring reality like you do

    • Observer1951

      Great bit of ironic trolling. Certainly raised the blood pressure of a few people!

    • Dexter Rocco

      Islam isn’t a race u moron

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        It’s a race when it wants to be.
        It’s a religion when it wants to be.
        But it’s 7th century death cult all the time.

    • Tamerlane

      Grand. What’s your address and how many you taking?

    • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

      Ha ha ha ha ha – provocatrix.

    • SunnyD

      quite the leftist’s dreamer aren’t you? whacking anyone with a concern about uncontrolled mass immigration with the right wing brush. It’s not extremist or racist to have legitimate concerns about “migrants” who leave perfectly safe (and one would argue more suitable) countries to come to the UK…
      However, you’re right, Europe IS a big place – so why not house them in Turkey? or pick a Greek island? (Lesbos perhaps?)

    • Jacobi

      SJW,

      Disagree and agree. ( assuming you are being serious that is. )

      UKIP, FN AfD are not evil. They are just expressing fears that anyone other than a complete eejit, as we say up here, would agree with.

      Europe and of course Eurasia, let’s not forget Mother Russia, is big and space is not the issue.

      The problem is the evil of Islam, and attitudes like your views such as with the definition of racist as above.

      Having said that I will certainly vote to stay in. It is our duty to stay and help sort out the utterly shambolic mess that they, thanks mainly to Merkel, have got us all into.

      Yes stay in, get involved, just as we and our forebears did in the last three wars.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Three wars?
        So how’s that time travel working out?

        • Jacobi

          Progressing steadily as time in the real world does.
          WW I, WWII, Cold War. The war against Islam, or rather Islam’s war against us well under way. Twin Towers, London bus bombings, Paris. As for the rest of the world just goes on steadily including in today’s news.
          Long way to go.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            More fudge than a candy store.

  • Torybushhug

    Cowardly migrants have run away from their responsibility to develop their societies, leaving vulnerable people behind.

    Build a bloody great processing camp in Tunisia, send every last migrant there, and process them. Would stop the flow in an instant. Most would be sent back to build their societies.

    • Jacobi

      A few are genuine are genuine refugees, 15%. Most are religious migrants willing or unwilling, with the intent of Islamising Europe in a number of ways. Some of these I would class as cowards or at least acting under duress, many, 30%, eager Muslims ready or anyhing

      • Hybird

        None are genuine refugees. The minute they leave a safe country (Turkey, Greece, Italy) they become migrants.

        • Jacobi

          There are genuine Christian refugees for whom as a Catholic I am concerned. Otherwise I would tend to agree with you. The Turks are now seen to be the real enemy. They are running rings round Merkel and so much of Europe and we are mostly still in denial.

          • polidorisghost

            “There are genuine Christian refugees”
            Can’t be many left alive

          • Jacobi

            There aren’t.

          • milford

            Turkey is holding the EU to ransom. Let’s get out asap.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Catholic?
            You just shot your credibility in the foot.

          • Jacobi

            Well that is a minor wound. When you see some of the ghastly distortions displayed in these discussions?

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Sô are you calling everyone that flies the coop a coward?

  • Hybird

    Any German who disagrees with Frauke Petry that as a last resort the migrants should be shot should be demanding that the border guards hand in their weapons. After all – what’s the point in them having guns if they are not allowed to use them against people who are illegally entering (invading) the country?

    • Cheese

      EU became full of pansies. The artificial sex-ratio is dangerous. 79% men coming through Italy, 1:2 ratio of women to men coming through Turkey-Greece.

      http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/country.php?id=83

    • Hamburger

      That was the behaviour of the DDR, we do things differently now.

  • Pioneer

    The extremists are already in power. There is nothing moderate about delberately changing the demograhy, religion and culture of a country.

  • Patrick

    “A third are children, many unaccompanied, which presents governments with huge, unprecedented challenges”

    Only if you include men (never females, are girls not in danger only “boys”) who are clearly in their 20s and 30s as children ! The stories coming out of the basket case that used to be called Sweden, are surreal. Their fastest runner in the junior league was a bearded man clearly in his late 20s. How a country can allow grown men to enter the school system and be allowed to legally date ( abuse) young girls is sick. There was also the story about two men (claimed to be 16) who raped a 15 year old boy, who shared their room in a hostel for ‘children’. yet no one has been imprisoned for allowing this. sick and demented people seem to control anything of importance throughout Europe.

    • Cheese

      You are correct. Through the central Med route through Italy — 79% MALE this year alone, 74% male last year. Less than 15% women. What the heck. Good job EU! Great sex-ratio! Pathetic pansies in the EU.

    • Cheese

      http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/country.php?id=83

      Still, 1/3 children…42% men, 21% women. 1 woman for every two men. EU is a disgrace. I’m ashamed of my German Heritage.

      • KingHasNoClothes

        Most of those “Children” are also men.

        • Cheese

          You are correct! Spread the word.

        • Hamburger

          Adolescents, not children.

      • milford

        Don’t be ashamed of German heritage! Germans are one of the best. But not THE best 😉

        • Cheese

          You’re right…more of a figure of speech. Thanks haha

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Game Over, Sweden.

    • Rowenna

      The percentage of women has mostly remained the same while officially the percentage of children has increased and men decreased – this would suggest that the only difference is that males are claiming to be under 18 when they are not.

      In addition there is a visible increase in the number of younger children travelling with men which is likely due to the migrants catching on that having young children (especially under 7) tends to help smooth their journey. Based on the size of their families and the lack of accompanying women it is unlikely that the father would take a single young child with him for any other reason (although I am sure there is the genuine exception to the rule).

  • Bad Lad

    I am not sickened by the Germans but by the behaviour of the migrants. The Germans seem perfectly sane and rational to me – unlike their leaders and our left.

    • rolandfleming

      Ah, the “Hasty Generalisation” fallacy three times in just two lines.

      • WillG

        It at least makes for short sentences. Generally speaking.

  • Sid Falco

    “Many, perhaps most, may turn out to be an asset to European economies.”

    gfy – simply delusional.

    • Ahobz

      Europe will have very clean cars as every car park has its hoard of “no speeka da lingo” car washers with their trollies and maybe some more kebab joints

      • Sid Falco

        they get tax credits for that – and it’s all cash in hand so I don’t expect they pay a penny in tax.

    • John

      Useful to their business interests by driving down wages.

    • mohdanga

      I don’t have access to the article but that comment has to be one of the most asinine things I have heard. Marauding gangs of rapists are a benefit to the economy?

      • Sid Falco

        “The EU is beginning to admit that about half of its ‘asylum-seekers’ are no such thing. Many, perhaps most, may turn out to be an asset to European economies. But the authorities are unable to cope with the influx and that causes understandable alarm — which, if dismissed as xenophobia, converts into support for populist parties.” – so it’s our fault if we vote for the only parties who haven’t just bent over to these scum.

        • mohdanga

          Yes, it’s the host population’s fault for trying to protect their culture and country!! Would the editor have the same response if 3 million white Europeans showed up on the borders of enriching 3rd world countries?

          And, of course, no evidence is provided that they “may turn out to be an asset to European economies”, just wishful leftwing thinking. MInd boggling.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Only in their free time.

  • SnafuNews

    Even in this moment, the Eurocrats have no idea what’s going on around them. Even to the moment their bagged heads are placed down in the lunette of the guillotine, they don’t understand the ruckus.

    It is not possible for an internationalist to be concerned by colonization, especially by a hostile nation. They really believe this is ‘an episode’ that will eventually pass and then it will be business as usual.

    They are !Internationalist!, speaking Esperanto. They have no borders and they have many homes.
    They view the throngs of Muslims as a resource. Grow they economy! Bring in the entire Islamic world and grow the economy of Europe by 300%!!!! Yeah!!!

    • Ahobz

      Waste of a bag.

      • Ahobz

        …especially at 5p a pop

  • KingHasNoClothes

    “A third are children” – ehh….not really. Most of these “Children” and males aged 16-25. Under 18s are technically children but its not the same as if they were 7 or 8. Plus it is well known that many males in their twenties pretend to be 17. This whole thing is a farce.

    • Marvin

      Most of them are breeding like bacteria.

      • Sue Smith

        That’s an unhelpful contribution to the discussion.

        • Marvin

          Well Sue, that must be your leftie side showing. Do you know any “children” that have beards and moustaches and claim that their offspring are their siblings. These sorts are not like us.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Face it, Isłam is totally incompatible with the civilized values of Western Europe.

      • Jacobi

        That is their choice. We also have a choice. We could increase our breeding rate from the current 1.4 to well, whatever, but somewhat above 2.1.

        • Marvin

          Very liberal. They breed like bacteria for benefits and treat it as an income because the women never work or have time to work. My answer would be to sterilise the lot of them if they want to live here.

      • mr humphreys

        Breeding like bacteria is too ‘virulent’ for many people. Revise that to breeding like small rodent-like mammals.

        • Marvin

          I only mention bacteria because of the speed the replicate and double, hence the more these migrants breed the more they get paid. AND! I am convinced that this is the biggest attraction along with the human rights protections that this is the “final destination”

          • mr humphreys

            Yes, they shouldn’t be reproducing at geometric rates, period. Who do they think they are? In this vein, please look up my reply to Mary Ann posted 30 mins ago.

  • BobCat™

    {An inability to respond to this crisis is sending millions of voters to extremists, now on the march across the continent.}

    If ” millions of voters ” join the extremists, do they become extremists as well? ( viz If all the voters become extremists …? )

    • Cav

      To the enlightened of Oxbridge the answer is a resounding yes.

  • Cav

    Oxbridge has a lot to answer for.

  • Mr B J Mann

    Oh, Purleeeze!

    Intransigence over borders and benefits is feeding extremist politics across the continent

    Sickeningly, there were 920 attacks on refugee hostels in Germany last year.

    Much of the blame lies with the Chancellor herself. As this magazine argued at the time, her call for Syrian refugees to come to Germany was a tragic mistake — a massive fillip to what was this week revealed to be a £4 billion industry in human trafficking.

    So the opposition politics is “extremist”, and the public reaction is “sickening”, but the call to refugees is neither “extremist”, nor “sickening”, just “tragic” while the human trafficking doesn’t deserve any adjective at all, never mind judgement?!

    Worse:

    A third are children, many unaccompanied, which presents governments with huge, unprecedented challenges. Children need not just classrooms to study in but homes to stay in. The Swedes have set up homes for these unaccompanied children; last month, a worker at one of the new hostels was killed by one of the teenage wards.

    I double checked and, no, this isn’t one of those old recycled articles, but from the NEXT edition!

    And yet these adults are STILL being misreppresented as “children” despite shaving, yet having grown stubble by they time they arrive in (children’s) court for r a p e and murder?!?!?!

    Who wrote this?!

    • mr humphreys

      What utter rubbish. 920 attacks on two refugee hostels is not the rise of Third Reich scenario you present. Besides, there has been no attempt to verify these largely mythical incidents, which all seem to emanate from the same media outlets (Reuters and A.P.) claiming nationwide epidemics of assaults on niqab wearing Muslim females. The evidence for these urban legends has not been substantiated on YouTube where you would expect to see it. Why don’t you go off and read the New Statesman you madman, where your daft nonsense will pass unnoticed.

      • Mr B J Mann

        Why don’t you go off and read what I wrote you madman, and try to delete your daft nonsense in the hope it had. passeded unnoticed by everyone but me!

  • GoJebus

    The situation in Germany is just one big, fat example of politicians not taking soundings from the actual people they purport to represent, listening instead to a narrow clique of sandal-wearing academics and liberals. The ordinary people don’t get a say: you know, ordinary people – those disgusting, bigoted men and women who love their country and culture. Calamitous doesn’t even begin to describe it.

  • Jacobi

    You are correct in saying that Germany is in crisis. The UK media ensures we do not get that story.

    That is not because German voters are moving towards the right extremists, but because the sensible German centre is slowly realising that the “right” perception is correct. The sensible centre includes sensible Christians and secularists, who are at last beginning to grasp where the real danger lies.

    Reality is dawning in Germany, as it will here.

    Merkel’s invitation to Islam, not needed since they were already flooding in, was crass in the extreme. It will ensure the collapse of the EU since Schengen will not cope and the increasing number of “realistic” EU governments will simply ignore it in their national interests, which is their job after all.

    As from March when the weather will improve, Muslims, 70% young religious migrants, will again pour in. A figure of 1.2 million has been mentioned. That is the official estimate. The real figure will be well over one and a half million. And then you have to add those who continue to come into the UK legally from India Pakistan and and Bangladesh, that great unmentionable subject in Cameron’s and in British politics generally.

    • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

      One of the greatest scandals of government ineptitude and general paralysis is the way government in Britain seems entirely to ignore the massive scam of ‘family reunification’ migration. For at least two generations after original migrations, vast numbers of particularly Pakistani families, but also Indian ones, habitually marry off their British born, British educated youngsters to foreign strangers – in the Pakistani case, mostly uneducated village girls and boys who are related to the family living in Britain. Are there not enough culturally compatible young people in Britain already? I would have thought so. This practice doubles the already high fertility rate of Pakistani families (average of 5 children) because you don’t just get five Pakistanis per family per generation to replace the eventually deceased parents, you get ten! Five born here and five brought in for marriage. This means that every Pakistani couple leave behind them ten people. For the traditional white British family unit, the number of children is 1.6. The white family don’t even replace themselves, while the Pakistani one leaves five times its number. On the death of the parents, the white population leave -0.4 persons (yes – that’s MINUS 0.4) while the Pakistanis leave 8. This is a dangerous and appalling scam. IT MUST BE STOPPED!

      Furthermore, while the left talk cheerily about how life in Britain leads to more enlightened cultural attitudes, the importing of foreign spouses brings about the opposite effect. Many imported spouses are hopelessly ill-equipped for successful integration into the work and cultural environment of traditional British society; their grasp of our language is tenuous and their upbringing directly militates against integration.

      • Copyright101

        One of the greatest scandals of government ineptitude and general
        paralysis is the way government in Britain seems entirely to ignore the
        massive scam of ‘family reunification’ migration.

        Not ineptitude, deliberate policy.

      • Jacobi

        The great unmentionable in British politics.

        The spotlight is focused firmly on EU immigration which has its pros and cons but at least they will join our society, as the Huguenots did before, not force us to be Muslims or else.

        Statistics are hard to come by but this “legal” immigration from the Indian sub-Continent is the great scandal of British politics. My understanding is that non-EU immigration is comparable with EU and that most of that non-EU is Muslim. Please feel free to correct me if that is not so.

        One solution that has already been suggested is that all Muslims in UK be asked to sign a form saying that they will only use peaceful evangelisation to covert us and not the myriad of other methods open to them as orthodox Muslims ranging from threat to massacre.

        In the event they do not agree, they should be sent back to wherever they or their family came from, no matter how many generations ago.

        • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

          Good post, but signing a piece of paper means nothing. Munich 1938, tells us that. Importing of brides and bridegrooms from the Indian sub-continent should be banned outright rather than depending on spurious declarations. It is a giant Trojan Horse and nothing less. I suppose there would be an outcry, but so what?

          • Jacobi

            I agree. But it is a start. Humane internment and deportation are what will come. Not logistically easy, but necessary.
            This conflict has hardly started yet.

      • mr humphreys

        I used to know a GP based in Bolton who used to insist that in his 25 years experience he had never encountered a Pakistani family not in the process of having 10 children. His other claim was that they had all been unemployed for two, sometimes three generations. He belonged to a little clique of doctors (including a Jew and a Hindu) who shared this view. By the way Sparknottle, I like what you are saying. There needs to be a national conversation on these “replacement level” questions and your comments are a good place to start that conversation.

        • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

          Thanks.

          My partner is a GP as it happens and she has pretty clear views about the issues you mention. Shocking health among the women, complete disconnection from society because they don’t speak ANY English, very difficult consultations which have to be moderated through a translator even when the women have lived here for twenty odd years. ALL on benefits, a child every year, all children married off to foreigners, whether they like it or not. Constant attempts on their part to get her to conspire at getting them additional benefits and social housing. She once had a middle aged Libyan bloke who came in with a very young wife asking about fertility treatment for her. When asked how old she was he said ’15’. On being challenged about the illegality of this, he said, ‘It is legal in my country’. They left the country pretty quickly when social services became involved.

        • mr humphreys

          That is to seyne, your comments are as good a place as any to start ye national conversation not only on these unacceptable ‘family reunification’ practises being swept under the carpet but the ‘replacement level’ statistics that are contributing to “white genocide”.

    • SunnyD

      time to establish new rules in education then and ban the promotion of the ridiculous idea of an afterlife from the education system. Freedom to practice religion aside, there’s no place for it in a modern educational establishment (apart from to provide worshippers with the requisite space and time to practice personal beliefs) – it’s about time modern educational institutions were stopped from promoting (imo silly) ideas of an afterlife, omnipotent “beings” and suchlike…. who agrees with me?

      • Copyright101

        JIDF detected.

        Foxtrot Oscar.

        • SunnyD

          I wouldn’t normally dignify a post like that with a response, and I dare not battle wits with someone who is clearly unarmed but I would like to point out that if I am what you appear to think I am, I would hardly be calling for religious schools to be removed from the state schooling system.
          get a life and learn to soothe your hate. It leads to the dark side, didn’t you know?

      • Jacobi

        There must be freedom to practise religion in any just society. The alternative. Well it is a bit early to bring in Godwin is it not?
        But all rights have an equal and opposite right. Religions which are intolerant of, seek to suppress other tolerant and loving religions such as Catholicism and Christianity and Bhudism, examples of these being Islam and of course let’s not forget some brands of atheistic Secularism, or just common or garden Secularism, have no place in modern life.
        Hope you got that. Complex sentence. Always warned about that at school.

        In other words you are talking rubbish!

        • SunnyD

          er no, in fact if I read you correctly, it seems we’re on the same page?
          I’m totally tolerant of others’ religions. It’s just the state-mandated indoctrination I dislike., nothing against church on Sundays, synagogues on Saturdays, etc.
          FYI – I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic schools and college throughout my life, maybe that’s coloured my worldview? In any event, learning about religion isn’t an issue in my opinion, it’s the religious schooling (i.e. Islamic schools, Catholic schools, etc. which perpetuate religion outside of what the parents are within their rights to teach their kids) – when I was at school, despite the fact that I had decided (once I knew my own mind) that I didn’t want to go to church on Sunday, I didn’t want to be “Confirmed” I STILL had to go to church and observe “feast days”. I can only imagine what it’s like in Islamic schools….
          peace out

  • Pioneer

    Blatant propaganda piece from the once respectable Speccie.

    The author of the article seems too cowardly to identify himself.

    • KenelmDigby

      It might well be Boris himself.

    • polidorisghost

      “The author of the article seems too cowardly to identify himself.”
      An who are you?
      Maybe you are also too cowardly to post under your own name.

  • WTF

    I’ve been posting this sentiment for over a month now and its nice to feel somewhat vindicated by seeing a journalist finally writing an article about it. They might be anonymous but it could well be that
    the EU disintegrates long before the UK even has a chance to vote remain or stay.

    What will all the ‘remainers’ do them if the rug is pulled out from under them ? Their fantasy of better in will leave them high and dry as they’ll be nothing to try and campaign for. The PM would best use his energies to plan for an exit now and if the EU does follow that fabled ‘oozlum’ bird up it own a**, at least we’d be ahead of the curve compared to other EU states.

  • E.I.Cronin

    I’m stunned AfD is only on 12.5%. For a nation whose leadership has inflicted a tidal wave of rape, CSE and ethnic cleansing upon it the response is feeble. Germans are really abolishing themselves.

    • Thea

      They’re taught to hate themselves from childhood. What more did you expect?

      • E.I.Cronin

        Yes absolutely – a small part of me hoped the mass rapes and assaults against women would galvanise some long supressed self-respect and will to survive, but even that’s been expunged.

        • Thea

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKAQX74yRyc

          It’s happening everywhere. Britain needs to leave the EU, so at least it can help itself to get back on its feet.

          • milford

            Thanks Thea for that. Very interesting indeed. My heart goes out to the people of Calais.

        • Sue Smith

          I spoke to a German woman in 2011 as we were crossing by rail from Denmark into Germany. My husband raised the topic of the war and she looked very concerned and said “when WILL the world finally forgive us and move on”? I replied that it would take time but that the generation affected by the war had all but gone now and she shouldn’t worry about it herself.

          • RWJetzt

            ‘when WILL the world finally forgive us and move on’

            When the world’s media is no longer dominated by a group of hostile anti-white aliens who understand the power of drilling the same lies into the minds of the masses. In short, a revolution is needed.

          • mohdanga

            Yup, 6 million Jews killed is a lie. Where did they all go?

          • RWJetzt

            The antisemitic world census said they didn’t go anywhere, and the even more antisemitic International Red Cross report said 6 million weren’t even killed, only 271,000, and by typhus, not gas.

          • mohdanga

            So the millions that went into Auschwitz, etc (documented by the Germans themselves) didn’t disappear, and all the documentation by historians for the last 75 years is all a conspiracy? The millions of Polish Jews that disappeared, they just moved somewhere else, did they? You are deluded.

          • RWJetzt

            A single autopsy of a gassed victim, to start. Something that proves the existence of homicidal gas chambers will get us going nicely, before we even get to the ‘evidence’ for the exact 6 million figure.

          • mohdanga

            So the death camps liberated by the Soviets and Americans and British were all figments of their imaginations? Back to your sandbox.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            However, the so-called gas chamber at Auschwitz shown to the weeping tourists was built by the Poles in 1948.
            And that’s a fact.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            However, the mass gassing was a fabrication. Because no way could all the bodies be cremated with the facilities available, within the alleged time frame.
            And without the gas chambers, what you have left is another 20th century mass killing.

          • Hamburger

            Have you been smoking something illegal?

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            It wasn’t six million.
            it was eight million.

          • E.I.Cronin

            Exactly – it’s time they forgave themselves and buried their dead. I saw a recent video of Merkel cowing a crowd of young Germans with the spectre of the Holocaust. It’s been politicised in such a ghoulish way and if anything abuses the memory of what happened.

            ps I loved the Big Lebowski! Must watch it again.

          • Sue Smith

            “The Chinaman is not the issue Dude. Oh, and Dude, I think ‘Asian American’ is the correct nomenclature”!!!

            “Donny, you’re out of your element”.

          • mr humphreys

            I forgave them in the 70’s or 80’s as I recall. No, I was ten so that would have been the 60’s

    • Sue Smith

      Yes, the self-annihilation is staggering. They are a nihilistic culture caught in a web of guilt about the past which has prevented them from carving out a meaningful future.

      • mr humphreys

        Very good but they appear to have changed their twin minds in No Country for Old Men which seems to convey the much bleeker message that white male ‘heroes’ are toast in the face of the coming Hispanic menace.

        • Sue Smith

          No Country was, of course, a Hitchcockian drama. I’m simply suggesting that in comedy they can afford to be more expansive and satirical about culture. “The Big Lebowski” is now the subject of study in academe and there is much to see in it of biting commentary. The Coens aren’t always successful but TBL is a unique offering of theirs.

          • mr humphreys

            No, I agree. You are obviously a top grade student of the genre. Another Hitchcokian film for you, since you mention it, is Polanski’s The Tenant.

          • Sue Smith

            Thank you!! I’ll try and get a hold of it. He’s a dreadful man, but Polanski is a first rate film-maker!!

          • mr humphreys

            Oh dear, Sue. You will be pleasantly surprised. Polanski plays the lead character, Trelkowsky. By all accounts he gives an astonishing performance in the role. And a sympathetic character. Fantastic film.

          • Sue Smith

            Yes, as soon as I read your comments I searched for the film and found a “trailer”. But it was in French. I got the gist of it though. (Wondered about it’s relationship, if any, to Hitchcock’s “The Lodger”!!!)

            As I write this I’m listening to Brendel playing Schubert’s Klavierstucke. Glory!!

          • sharon royal

            Some of the comments on these British media articles are so much better than the articles (although this particular article wasn’t bad.) Film recommendations from mr humphreys and music recommendations from Sue Smth – what’s not to like? It is sad to think that such a highly evolved culture will be swept away in the rather near future.

    • RWJetzt

      C’mon, it’s not like you lot in here don’t blab on about them being evil Naaaaaaaaaarrrzziiis who turned 6 trillion Jews into soap, isn’t it? Don’t you think that little fairy story so many of you still parrot on here even as the whole of Europe is being invaded on its pretext, might have helped make the Germans cautious about showing patriotism?

      • SunnyD

        you sure you have the right site? this aint Breitbart geez. (although I don’t disagree with your point about the German’s being self-hating wrecks, I fear this has more to do with white Europeans as a whole and the left’s insidious implanting of the self-same ideas in our population through educational and anti-discrimination policies)

        • RWJetzt

          Breitbart? You seem to be implying there’s some kind of fundamental difference between there and here – is Breitbart supposed to be owned by a Gentile? Weird, I’ve found that you’re just as likely to get your comments deleted when you mention the Jews there as here. In fact, much more so! There’s a much stronger Hasbarat patrol in the comments section over there.

          Didn’t you hear being ‘right wing’ is all about supporting wars in Israel and central banking usury, goy?

          • SunnyD

            as I suspected you’re definitely on the wrong site – try davidicke.com for all your conspiracy nerdists needs
            and FYI, I am neither right wing nor left, maybe a little right of centre, it’s a new leftie thing to tar everyone like me with a right wing brush – people who “dare” to be outraged by the erosion of our society being brought about by uncontrolled mass immigration…and unable to vote out the law makers in EU

          • RWJetzt

            What have I said which makes you assume a ‘conspiracy’, oh unthinking, servile one? I have merely pointed out that these media outlets are Jewish, and should be recognised as such. Since they all belong to Jews, we would expect Jewish interests to predominate. But wait… these media outlets are the ones pushing for more invaders, less borders, more laws against hate speech! It’s almost as if they’re the main source of the problem. Still, there’s Hollywood, too, right? Not Jewish at all. The banks who would fund these changes? Definitely no Jews in those places.

            Yes, enlightened, good goyim like you know that Jews are our greatest ally against the Muslims, who are the only people you’re allowed to vent your anger against. I understand why Jews have the term ‘cattle’ for non-Jews when I read the kind of stupidity you espouse.

          • SunnyD

            move along, move along
            these aren’t the droids you’re looking for

          • mohdanga

            Nothing wrong with being right wing, not sure why people think it is. The worst totalitarian regimes have all been left wing….N*zism, Communism.

          • SunnyD

            I never said anything wrong with being right wing, in fact I may have misjudged my angle of leaning a little bit… that is, if my peers’ assessments of what I say is anything to go by

      • E.I.Cronin

        My grandparents fought the Germans and ended up in slave labour camps – my ancient grandmother isn’t holding a grudge so why would I? Responsibility and blame ended with the generation who went to war and those who suffered and died.

        Am not entering into the ugly delusion of Holocaust denialism. But I will say this – westerners only have themselves to blame for multicultism and mass immigration. We embraced it out of naivete and stupidity.

  • Teacher

    Ah! A new left wing insult to add to ‘racist’, ‘fascist’, ‘Kipper’ and ‘Tory’/’Tory scum. ‘Extremist.’ Jolly good.

    • Marvin

      They were never educated in words like intelligence, logic, reality and common sense. They are just un-evolved single cell amoebas. Two can play the same game.

  • E.I.Cronin

    Jean Asselborn, Luxembourg’s Foreign Minister who warned the EU it could break up quickly back in early November, and criticised Orban for ‘not internalising the values of the EU’ has just said ‘We have no policy anymore. We are heading into anarchy’.

    • Sue Smith

      Heading? Or arrived. I fear the latter. No values, anarchy, no culture that one can identify. All signs of decadence and collapse. “Refugees” lying about in streets and railway stations and along footpaths. Oh, it’s ugly alright. Tourists, avoid!!!!

      • mohdanga

        That’s what will happen, tourists will start avoiding and then the sh*t will really fly!! European countries are massively dependent on tourism and people aren’t going to spend money travelling to the cultural capitals of Europe only to feel that their plane made a wrong turn and they have ended up in Islamabad or Damascus!!

        • E.I.Cronin

          Good point. I’ll never visit Eurabia again. How many are thinking the same?

          • mohdanga

            It is mind boggling that “leaders” like Merkel want to commit cultural suicide.

          • E.I.Cronin

            I was trying to imagine what it would be like having Kaiser Mutti’s absolute power.

            Issue a directive and millions move across continents. Issue another directive and your nation turns Brown. Or Yellow. Or White. Sign a document and Sharia goes up, Democracy goes down. She can have thousands of girls r*ped or m*lested and then shut down debate world-wide over dinner with Zuckerberg.

            They must have been genuinely driven mad by corruption. Imagine looking inside her head for a day!

          • mohdanga

            Zuckerberg is just as big an idiot. How she hasn’t been tossed out yet is very strange.

  • Charlie Angel

    I sometimes think that all the Leave Campaign needs to do is stick Martin Schulz on permanent loop. It’s rare to find someone who makes even John Bercow look modest.

    This interview for example had some gems. If you have time, it’s the little asides that are – as is often the way in life – the most illuminating…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3csy4wg

    Note how he refers to “My Parliament” throughout. I don’t think even our puffed up Speaker would dare to refer to Westminster like that.

    And then when he talks about the “egotistical nations” that want to do things their own way. Who would have thought it? The temerity of sovereign nations and leaders speaking about obeying the wishes of their own electorates?

    There’s definitely an ego problem there although maybe not where Mr Schulz thinks it is….

  • http://paulweston101.blogspot.com Paul Weston

    The AFD is nothing like UKIP when it comes to speaking out about Islam – as in the AFD is vocal about the threat of Islam whereas UKIP is not.

    This might change, whatever the result of our June referendum. I hope UKIP are simply keeping their powder dry because this is an issue which needs to be confronted in the very near future if we are to remain the country we were fortunate enough to be born into.

    • RWJetzt

      Meanwhile, no-one talks about the Jewish banking financial power, because everyone – including the Weston Rent-A-Qur’an-Quote Reductio-Ad-Naaaarrrrzisssm Bot 3000 – is funded by them.

      Even though one would have thought dismantling world finance and removing the hateful racial & cultural aliens who man it (and our media/academia) would be the crucial step to ensure a future for White countries.

      But what we actually need is a religious war with the Muslims, eh Paul?

      • SunnyD

        what we really need is an honest critique of islam and its place in a modern western society. Given most muslims’ apparent reluctance to integrate, and their vehement reactions to anything akin to criticism, this needs to be addressed now more than ever. Christianity had a Reformation, why can’t Islam?
        Anyways, I’m off to the shops – need any tin foil while I’m down there?

        • RWJetzt

          FFS, everyone can see Islam has no place in the UK. Even
          servile bought-and-paid-for Zio puppets like Weston and Robinson are finally being allowed to say by their neo-Cohenservative warmonger masters. But how did the Muslims get here? Do any of you ever stop to ask yourselves that? They sure as heck didn’t come down from the clouds, or invade with jetpacks, did they?

          No, ‘we’ invited them.
          But who’s ‘we’? Was it a coalition of White traitors? If so, how on
          earth did they all reach power at the same time? A bunch of ‘liberals’
          who happened to share the exact same, historically unprecedented
          political views across Europe all somehow made their way to power in our ‘free and fair’ democracies, and in our media (and completely
          non-Jewish Hollywood) at the same time, to collectively flood Europe
          with racial aliens. Yeah, that sounds realistic!

          Of course, it couldn’t possibly be anything to do with our saintly Jews, they’ve been kicked out of every country they’ve ever inhabited for no reason other than baseless Gentile hatred. Never you mind the fact your media, banks, academia are teeming with racial aliens goyim, you get back to work and shut up, nothing to see here…

          • SunnyD

            steady on old chap – keep your (foil) hat on!
            (and don’t forget to pay your taxes)
            now I’d love to stay and chat but I have wor- oh look… a butterfly!

          • RWJetzt

            Wow, what a witty response JIDF! 10/10, how about mixing it up a bit, maybe you could insinuate I live in my mum’s basement next? You’re making other commenters look dim with such scathing, non-cliched wit!

          • SunnyD

            whereas you’re clearly killing me with your witty repartes
            must go, play with someone your own size

          • Copyright101

            Tin foil hat?

            Do you people ever come with new material?

          • mulegino1 .

            No, they never do. The discourse is a bit like Hollywood – where the usual suspects dominate, you have an increasing lack of creativity and new ideas. The Tribe is mercantile; it is good at trading and haggling, but produces little of real value, including ideas – well, at least good ones.

          • SunnyD

            kn0b

        • Copyright101

          Or just have Muslims living here?

          Nothing more absurd than non-Muslims making absurd theological suggestion about how to reform Islam.

          Did Christianity need a Reformation or just some reform?

          • SunnyD

            I’m not gonna battle wits with someone who is clearly unarmed – now go away and play

        • mr humphreys

          The last thing Islam needs is a Reformation which would imply going back to first Qur’anic principles. Look at Isis. They are a walking example of what an Islamic Reformation looks like in the 21st century kick started not by the printing press but the digital smartphone revolution. What Islam needs is a clean bullet through its zombie brain.

  • http://paulweston101.blogspot.com Paul Weston

    The EU will collapse within the next decade as a result of deliberate population replacement policies, which is tragically ironic considering their official motto is “United in Diversity”. I think we can only reasonably expect to see right-wing parties dominating many European countries over the next decade. Even here, if UKIP grasps the Islamic nettle. Froggy President Hollande is already talking about ejecting “right wing countries” from the EU, so it is clearly dawning on these stupid leftists just what inevitable chain of events they have set in motion.

    The EU and the Left’s days are numbered now though. After 60 years of dominance they will be crushed over the coming decade.

    • Sue Smith

      You need to speak up, loudly and soon. But this is the sort of inspiration you’ll need to keep you going because there will be people out there trying to shut you down:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJwV8boFfF0&feature=youtu.be

    • E.I.Cronin

      The collapse can’t come soon enough Paul. This crisis has handed conservatives the last rounds of ammunition we need to finish off progressive ideology for good. For 60 years they’ve been rubbing our noses in Diversity and now they’re going to have their noses bloodied by the terror, rape, social and financial chaos it’s caused.

    • Robin

      I like your optimism but I don’t think it will turn out that way.

  • Marvin

    While Europe burns and heads towards Armageddon due to the Islamic invasion of millions of incompatible people who will never integrate or assimilate with western values, our glorious ignorant and spineless PM is scaremongering our naïve group of people to but a fare on the Titanic after it has hit the iceberg.

    • Sue Smith

      It seems that last year’s flood of migrants is only going to be a trickle compared to this year where records have been broken already. I lay blame squarely at the feet of the UN whose army of ‘human rights lawyers’ and activists have yelled “racist” to any nation not willing to take the whole world into its bosom, all the while telling you all that you are acting illegally in not doing so. The Refugee Convention should be burned while you can still afford the price of a box of matches. And, while you’re at it, why not tie some of those activists to the stake along with it!! The Convention is the ideal bit of kindling.

      • Marvin

        Europe has not seen anything yet, or capable of. They can’t see the entire dregs of the world heading their way.

    • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

      Almost worse is the vile stupidity of Boris and now Michael Howard that a ‘Leave’ answer in teh referendum would provide the opportunity for a re-negotiation and a new deal followed by another referendum and a ‘Stay’ response….. This reminds me of teh way Ireland and France were badgered into accepting the EU treaty change a few years back. ‘If you don’t give us the right answer, we will make you vote again until you do.’

  • Bonzo

    I’m surprised the Spectator prints a leading article that displays such contempt for democracy. The very basis of a democratic state is that parties that represent the views of the electorate prosper while those that don’t fade. Populist? The clues the in name. The leading article approaches moments of lucidity only to shy away: “An inability to respond to this crisis is sending millions of voters to extremists, now on the march across the continent.”. True, governments have not responded to the crisis in a way voters want but to go on and say voters are “extremists” because they then switch their support to parties that do reflect what they want is to say you don’t believe in democracy. What do you suggest voters do? Nothing? Vote for parties who do not represent their views? Perhaps the established parties should start to represent the views of the people who elect them.

    • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

      The literati have always despised the Plebian classes. Hence the use of the term populist to signify ignorance and lack of sophistication. One of the great annoyances of old Labour working class white people is the way the Blair and Corbyn types despise them, ignore their concerns and dismiss their opinions about the things that matter to them. For those sophisticates, unbridled internationalism and universal human rights will always trump the concern of a few million factory workers and tyre fitter types who can’t find a job, or are only able to get one by accepting appalling conditions and pay rates because there is an endless supply of migrants who will be happy to comply.

      • Conwyn

        Mr Gordon Brown said. That women is a bigot. The rest is history. He also said British jobs for British workers. Migrants will vote for any party who rewards them. Political parties specialize in dog whistles. Politicians know there is always a job in Europe as the Kinnock family will testify. Nothing will change.

        • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

          I PARTICULARLY hate the fact that such a worthless wretch of a politician as Kinnoch was on a lucrative gravy train in Europe for years and then slipped seemlessly onto the House of Lords one. Also his son got one of those lifetime tenure Labour seats in Wales where even a baboon would get elected if it had a red rosette on its chest. Then they complain about ‘jobs for the boys’.

        • Syntec

          It WILL change when Europe’s native people take back their countries and deal with their respective traitors past and present.

  • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

    The unaccompanied ‘child’ migrant who killed the hostel worker in Germany has been declared to be not a child at all, but a adult of about 23 years old. In Sweden there is a huge spike of male ‘children'[ reputed to be about seventeen. In fact most of them are in their twenties, but declaring oneself as a child gains very significant advantages if you can pull it off. You get looked after, accommodated and best of all, you get the right to import your family members…. Are we entirely stupid in Europe? Half of Afghanistan and the Middle east seems to think so.

    • Vinnie

      Not stupid. This whole refugee crisis has been planned and executed deliberately.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Bin Laden’s revenge.

      • Syntec

        Correct!

        It is attempted Genocide of indigenous White Europeans and the aided and abetted illegal occupation of their ancestral homelands by alien races and cultures.

  • Malcolm Stevas

    Interesting that AfD has 12.5% support in that bar chart, very close to the 12.7% of the vote UKIP scored in last year’s GE. The big difference is that under the German system it might result in a number of AfD Members going to the Bundestag. Under our system, UKIP secured just one seat – while the SNP secured 56 MPs on the strength of 4.7% of the vote…
    I wish the AfD the best of luck in the state assembly elections. Success for them can only help Europe as a whole, and tell our political classes that they cannot continue with impunity to subvert our culture through mass immigration. It might also encourage more here to vote UKIP: given the pitiful vacillation, cowardice and duplicity shown by the Tories over the past 40 years re the EU, and their leader’s schizoid attitude toward the EU, there really has to be an alternative – for England.

    • Lord Muck of Naff Hall

      Well summed up. The AfD are set to gain seats in the Bundestag though those elections are a long way off. First though come some regional elections which the AfD will almost certainly do well at. It will be egg on face for Merkel but will she care? I think not.

      There are however some key players who could trigger a national election if they resigned. So far though they have been all talk and no action.

      One thing is for sure, the resentment against what Merkel is doing is growing by the day. Not only that but the results of her policy can be seen every time you step in a railway station or even a Lidl. “They” are now everywhere you go. Today’s Germans are sympathetic to those in dire need but they are questioning just how many are in need and just how many really are from terror prone spots in Syria. The reality is the vast majority are not from there and are not families but young men from everywhere else. The penny is beginning to drop that Merkel may not have been “on the level” with us after all.

  • mr humphreys

    Doesn’t this show what a stupid old fool she is. She lost her political compass the day she changed her name to Mutter Merkel.

  • fritz

    Not a mention of the concern that the immigration is almost entirely muslim which is a primary concern for many countries. Angela Merkel’s actions have been catastrophic for the EU and for genuine asylum seekers. The constant use of the terms such as ‘far right’, ‘populist’ etc, for any party that contradicts the mainstream political orthodoxy is embarrassing. Many Europeans recognise that the present political elite represent the true extremists in respect issues such as immigration. What legitimate political party would vote for the destruction of their own country and culture by allowing uncontrolled immigration? The attempts to target and undermine Orban and other less politically correct indoctrinated leaders has backfired spectacularly.

    • Lord Muck of Naff Hall

      Indeed. The AfD is most definitely not some version of the brown shirts. It is party opposed to Merkel’s uncontrolled open border policy. But those on the left (i.e. all of the parties in the Bundestag) will use any term or description to demean opposition. After all, they know full well they have gone so far down the Merkel path they will never be able to return. Come election time many will be out of jobs.

      I feel there is an even bigger picture – beyond Germany though still involving it. There is much talk about the secretive Bilderberg group. I feel sure the socialist views of many in that group influenced a great many decision making members in Europe. A conspiracy theory maybe but looking stronger by the day.

      • mohdanga

        There will be blood in the streets, the natives will not put up with this for much longer.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Don’t start the revolution without me.

      • fritz

        The thing about conspiracy theories these days is that they quickly become conspiracy fact. Given the complete absence of any legitimate explanation for this unlimited immigration we can only assume that the intention is to destroy national identities and cultures and to create social unrest. Now why would they want to do that …?

        • lms2

          Look up “EU should undermine national homogeneity says UN migration chief.” I think that explains it.

          Peter Sutherland was chairman of Goldman Sachs until 2015, and it was Goldman Sachs that was involved in masking the debt problems Greece had prior to joining the Euro.

          • fritz

            Conspiracy fact it is then

    • mohdanga

      It’s the same with Geert Wilders….”far right”, “anti-immigration” (not sure why this is a negative thing), “populist”, “xenophobic right winger”. Yet his party has the most support in Holland. Must be because of all the knuckledragging Dutch that just can’t see the benefits of the enrichment policies instituted by all the other “progressive” parties.

  • Lord Muck of Naff Hall

    It is about time lazy journalists stopped describing the AfD as extreme. Infact, any party opposing Merkel’s madness would appear on the right because ALL those in the Bundestag are on the left. What’s wrong with the Spectator? Does it think the views of millions of people who value their country should go on being ignored? Those who continue with this arrogance will one day be in for a very nasty shock because ordinary people won’t go on for ever having millions imposed upon them. In Germany last year around 2 million, this year a plan for 5 million and a similar figure for the next 5 years – given permanent residency and a right to bring relatives after three years. Very few will ever work. Not surprising considering the millions and millions of jobs needed will not appear over years never mind this or next year.

    This week we learn that yet more people are being thrown out of their social (council) homes onto the street to make way for these “newcomers”. A German friend of mine is desperate because he can neither get social housing nor low cost private accommodation because Merkel has requisitioned everything.

    And has the writer actually visited German and Austrian city centres and railways stations and seen what’s going on? They are becoming no-go zones.

    Has the Spectator no idea WHY people are supporting the AfD and why millions of people are so angry?

    • Hamburger

      The number of refugees is about 1 million, not 2 as you suggested, and even this figure is an over estimation. The other figures you state she enormously exaggerated.
      Regarding the AfD, it has lurched to the right since Herr Lucke was ousted and some of its members and supporters are quite rabid.
      As far as your friend is concerned, finding affordable accommodation in one of the more desirable cities has become almost impossible in the last five years and is not as a result of the refugees.

      • Lord Muck of Naff Hall

        If you care to use Merkel’s figures then fine, believe it is 1 million. Other figures, based on numbers coming in every day over the last 6 months suggest there might even be more than the two million! It has even taken quite some time for officials to finally admit around 600,000 are unregistered and unknown so I wouldn’t wish to rely on any announcement coming out of Merkel’s office.

        I have actually met members of the AfD and those I’ve met are most certainly not “quite rabid” unless you count pilots, doctors, engineers and policemen as rabid.

        And finally, I am absolutely astonished you should assume where my friend lives and then to try to demolish my statement based entirely on your assumption. My friend IS most definitely unable to find accommodation because ALL low cost accommodation in the area has been requisitioned. I took the trouble to phone the mayor’s office after your comment – just to double check my facts rather than accept my friend’s comment.

        It is time people stopped following whatever Merkel and indeed all in the Bundestag continue to spout and talked to people who are now being seriously affected by this policy.

        • Hamburger

          If you had managed to read my comment I wrote some, not all, are rabid. I know that no accommodation has been requisitioned in Hamburg or in Schleswig Holstein or Lower Saxony. Indeed there is still spare capacity.
          As for your figures, can you supply a link confirming them please? I would be interested.

          • Lord Muck of Naff Hall

            You are so very wrong but don’t let me stop you from deluding yourself. Nor ignoring what millions of others are now complaining of. As for figures, I am not your personal researcher.

          • Hamburger

            I probably have better first hand information than you.

          • Rowenna

            This article is informative on the subject

            http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6583/germany-migrants-housing

      • Augustus

        I understand that Germany now expects that more than half a million ‘asylum seekers’ will arrive every year until 2020. And how many are already there, four million, Six million? Whatever it is that’s going to double in the next five years, and the children, of course, will no longer be called immigrants. And why isn’t there a proper deportation policy? And what’s happened to the hundreds of thousands of missing migrants throughout the EU? How many of those, one wonders, are jihadists now submerged within the populations, establishing themselves as sleeper cells to be activated by ISIS at a time of its choosing?

        • Hamburger

          The worst case prognosis not probably going to happen. Strangely enough I think that Germany will cope with the migrants invited by Mrs Merkel last year. It is not going to be fun, but doable. Our government is still parroting it’s request for an European solution, i.e. that the rest of Europe agrees to the German solution, but as everyone else has a different solution we will eventually agree to it.
          You are right about the terrorists, although the mixture of home grown and returning terrorists is probably a worse threat.

          • 22pp22

            Germany is finished.

          • Hamburger

            I’m sure that you would know.

          • 22pp22

            You have the lowest birthrate on earth and have just invited in one million low-IQ, high fertility males. Their women will follow. How, precisely, do you expect this to end? More are on their way courtesy of that filth 37% of Germans still support as their chancellor.

          • Hamburger

            You are obviously behind the ball. Our birthdate is finally increasing. How do you know that the IQ of the migrants is so low? They had the financial resources to pay their way and the ability to get to their destination. An idiot would not have managed either.

          • BritishPatriot

            If the migrants are so damned smart how come they couldn’t hack it in their own countries and had to leave?

            Gotcha!!!

          • Hamburger

            Because they are clever enough to realise that their chances are better elsewhere.
            Gotcha!!

          • 22pp22

            Germany populated by people with an average birthrate of 3 and an average IQ of 84 will not be Germany. You are being conquered and replaced. Your own government and media cover up the rape of your women folk and German males get einen Steifen watching it.

          • BritishPatriot

            Yes, their chances to sponge off foolishly generous Western democracies.

          • 22pp22

            Look up the average IQ of Syrians. It’s unimpressive.

          • Hamburger

            The ones who are coming here are not the average ones…….

          • 22pp22

            You don’t need to be bright to follow a herd to Germany. Their graduates have an IQ of 93

          • Hamburger

            Source please.

          • 22pp22

            I read the Unz review, especially Steve Sailer, Anatoly Karlin and Razib Khan who was made science writer for the New York Times, but was promptly fired when they found he wrote for Unz. It’s a right wing publication, but it checks its facts. There are dozens of articles to choose from. I’ll leave you with this.

            http://www.unz.com/isteve/timss-test-scores-would-germany-get-more-talented-workers-from-syria-or-hungary/

          • Hamburger

            Thank you. I will look at it.

          • Rowenna

            A significant percentage of Migrants arriving in Germany are unable to use a toilet – there is currently a ‘multicultural toilet’ being developed to try and encourage them to use it rather than defacating in the showers and outside in the bushes.

            A large percentage of those arriving are illiterate in even their own language and it has been estimated that only 10% will be able to assimilate sufficiently to work.

            Apprenticeships that have been aimed at the migrants have been problematic. The authorities are finding it difficult to get the migrants to accept the apprenticeships in the first place and those that do accept them have a very high drop out rate.

            Obviously there are going to be some migrants who have skills that Germany can make use of and they likely fall within the 10% figure quoted above, however 10% is the exception and certainly cannot be claimed to be representative of the ‘average’ migrant.

          • BritishPatriot

            “High fertility”? How did you come to that conclusion? I’m surprised you aren’t posting about their massive unruly members 😀

          • 22pp22
          • BritishPatriot

            Go and peddle your sickening fantasies somewhere that cares, you cuckservative pervert.

          • 22pp22

            I’ve met farm animals who are smarter than you. You are neither a patriot nor a conservative and I doubt your even British. The pervert is you – and thick and vulgar into the bargain.

          • Augustus

            “Germany: Migrant Crime Skyrockets”

            http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7470/germany-migrants-crime

          • Hamburger

            As the number of migrants has rocketed too, I am not surprised. As I wrote, it is not going to be fun, but doable. I am assuming that the number of new migrants will be reduced.

          • Rowenna

            How do you define ‘coping with migrants’ and ‘doable’? Do you believe that German cultural heritage will be unaffected over the longterm? Are communities affected by migrant crimes and migrant cultures included in your analysis? Have you properly assessed the finanical consequences of supporting the migrant population over the next 10 – 20 years and how the native population will respond to inevitable cuts that affect them? Do you factor in the resentments building up in the native population due to the perception that migrants are being given preferential treatment to native Germans across issues ranging from financial support through to not being held fully accountable for their crimes?

            If you define ‘coping’ and ‘doable’ as the same as short term survival while experiencing a drop in living standards, security and an erosion of their way of life as their country undergoes Islamisation then I would agree. However the longer term future is one where the majority of the population will be Muslims and as such Germany will become increasingly Islamic (even via democratic means as the demography changes). Historically this does not bode well for long term survival however as has been evidenced by the constant persecution of non-Muslims in Muslim majority states that has taken place over centuries and continues today.

          • Hamburger

            Of course German culture will be affected, how I do not know. I also do not believe that we will be taken over by the Muslim world. In the end I do not follow Michel Houellebecq’s view.

          • Rowenna

            It is not a question of what you believe will happen, it is about the available evidence and the numbers. It is quite clear that on our current path we almost certainly will be taken over by Islam. This theory has been around for decades and those who have said in the past it would not happen, that Muslims will adapt to Western culture etc, that integration would take place have been proven wrong. Islam is getting stronger across Europe and the strength of Islamic feeling has already grown – Pew Research attitudes surveys have illustrated that those born in Europe to Muslim parents are more devout than their parents, not less as was previously antitipcated.

      • Rowenna

        Then what would you consider a shortage of affordable accommodation a result of? Prior to the influx of migrants last year Germany had a falling population. In 2003 the German population was 82.5 million and by 2013 it had fallen to 80.6 million – a drop of almost 2 million.

        There is little reason for affordable accommodation to become scarce at a time when the population is dropping by such a significant amount – especially during a period when unemployment is falling.

        • Hamburger

          If you want to live in the countryside, especially in Brandenburg, you can buy or rent for next to nothing. The problem are the major cities and their neighbouring towns which have not enough flats. The reason is internal migration over the last ten years allied with a reduction in building affordable housing and the increase in single person households. The population is not yet dropping significantly, unless something happens it will though.

          • Rowenna

            I gave you official numbers for the population drop – to suggest that it is not happening when the official records show otherwise is wilful ignorance.

            The German government’s first priority should be for the welfare of its citizens. As such, it is their job to ensure that there is sufficient appropriate housing. If they have given any accommodation to migrants in Hamburg while neglecting the needs of their own citizens then they are failing in their duty to the electorate. Pointing out that cheap accommodation exists in places that are not commutable for work is inappropriate. However since the migrants do not work then such accommodation could be suited to them… although the migrants have repeatedly rejected being located away from the cities.

          • Hamburger

            The population was 81.5 million in June 2015. https://www.destatis.de/DE/ZahlenFakten/GesellschaftStaat/Bevoelkerung/Bevoelkerungsstand/Bevoelkerungsstand.html#Tabellen. My point about the housing shortage is that it is not caused by the migrants last year, but is a consequence of a lack of government planning over the last 10 years.

  • Walfgang Unkmadeus

    “Hey … that house over there … the big nice house on the hill … that looks like a nice house. Much nicer than my house. I think I will go over there and live in it.”

  • fritz

    Sickeningly there were 920 attacks on refugee hostels last year? Does this really describe the situation? Were they all refugees or mostly economic migrants? No one wants to see this sort of thing but would it not be more accurate to say that Merkel’s extreme actions have resulted in extreme measures being taken by some Germans. Some of these attacks were on buildings that were going to be used to house large numbers of immigrants in small towns and villages. Given the reports of the appalling actions in Cologne and other cities is it surprising that people are scared. When governments break the social contract isn’t this exactly what would be expected to happen? If this disaster is not contained the situation is going to get massively worse and the AFD will be the least of the concerns for Merkel and her ilk.

    • Deathbringer

      I don’t have a problem with the attacks. Actio = reactio. It’s all Merkel’s fault who started the actio.

  • Deathbringer

    Many of those who are not real refugees will turn out as an asset? I don’t think so. They will need to be deported or the European people will take care of the problem themselves.

  • Andrew

    UKIP is not that extreme they are just being painted that way.
    The key reason why Cameron is going for the early referendum is that he knows that the migrant crisis will get worse, and the EU will fail around bullying the UK to dump people and huge budget demands that we cannot afford. Cameron has also been leading in getting Turkey into the EU, with free migration for 75 million muslims, and once people see this they will realize that he has been deliberately misleading people on the issue. It really is time for Cameron to resign because of his failure to meet the promises when he was elected as leader and let somebody else have a go.

  • John Andrews

    At what precise point will the EU be declared dead? The end of the Schenanigan Area? The end of the Euro? The ejection of Greece? The assassination of Juncker in Sarajevo? The storming of a palatial Belgian office block? Whenever, I hope they stop paying the Kinnock’ EU pensions.

    • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

      John… looking at all those peole in the EU parliament and thinking of all the EU Civil Servants backing them up… make me think there is more than Kinnocks pension that would be saved!

      • John Andrews

        Quite right. If you back the wrong horse you lose your money.

  • TheJustCity

    Some good points, but this piece spectacularly misses the elephant in the room – this being the matter of these migrants’ compatibility with western societies and their values. The vast majority of these being economic migrants rather than refugees is an important consideration, but it was a non-contributory factor wrt to (for example) the problems in Cologne on new year’s eve.

    • rogerrandout1

      ‘Cultural compatabilty ‘ is of no concern to these people . The ‘left’ remember think every one is the same and its just a matter of time before we will all be singing the same song ‘The Red Flag’ They have all but removed Christianity from Europe so what chance as piddling Islam got ? They (and us ) will learn the hard way

  • Kasperlos

    Indeed, after the Cold War NATO advised of the danger of mass migration from North Africa lurked. That came true. But what did 22 years of forewarning get? Nothing but millions of wholly incompatible illegal migrants. Historians of the future will have a field day comparing the dissolution of the EU project with the Mongol hordes of yesteryear. It is very telling – just only now catching on – as today in Berlin President Gauck said in a speech that Europe is being dismantled due to the refugee crisis. That Europe’s common house is imploding over some non-EU third world migrants reveals the fecklessness and disunity of Europe’s Post-Cold War ‘leadership’. Stunning how quickly the cheap suits unraveled. Europe had a good thing going, but due to either total incompetence in dealing with the illegal migrant crisis or, at worst, an orchestrated effort to actually harm Europe, the damage done over the past year is now irreversible. Europe is headed for internal strife the likes it has not seen since the Second World War.

    • rogerrandout1

      When you have lefties and ex communists running the show just what do you expect ?. In their eyes everything is going along nicely. Total innertia is their ‘activity’

  • FedUpIndian

    The natives of Europe are drunkards, fornicators, and fools. Their tribal chiefs have forgotten their duty to their own people and fail to defend their countries from hostile invasions by even more barbaric tribes from North Africa and the Middle East. Terrorists spawned in the mental and moral vacuum of Europe are now threatening civilized countries in other continents.
    We urgently need regime change in Europe.
    Since Europe has shown itself to be incapable of self-government, it must be put under colonial rule by viceroys from Singapore or China. Their tribal chiefs like Cameron, Merkel and that moron who is the chief of France will protest, but they can be bought off with a few beads and a shiny new iPhone.
    After a hundred or two hundred years, when the natives have shown themselves to be capable of staying sober for more than a day at a time, and have shed their periodic urge to commit suicide, a small number of them can be trained to take over the government of that dark continent (under strict supervision of course).

    • Syntec

      Maybe, you have a point here!

      Perhaps, it would not be such a bad idea if Russia were to take over the whole of Europe with China taking control of the USA through the ‘election’ of a compliant foreign President and majority administration, for example. This is how it’s been done by our hostile elite up to now, after all. As they say, two can play that game, ie, those with the necessary finance and fire power, that is. Global influence doesn’t come into it.

      At least it would put paid to any attempts at Islamization of the West and potentially, the ongoing mass rape and Genocide of native Europeans.

  • Steven Whalley

    This is a cheap smear against UKIP, wholly unjustified, and typical of the lack of recognition of the purpose of UKIP. It is the only party to have been consistent on its demand for a referendum. Labour were against one until their defeat in the GE last year, when they belatedly recognised that they would otherwise be shut out of any referendum debate and the consequent publicity.

    The Conservatives are divided on which way to vote, nothing new in that, and were never wholeheartedly in favour of a referendum until UKIP forced their hand. The LibDems flip-flopped over the issue.

    The triumph of UKIP is that they have given the UK a choice, where others vacillated or looked to their own gains, or to the directions of their sponsors. This choice has been achieved over a period of twenty years of steadfast opposition to the EU and its machinations. The Conservative, Labour, and Trade Unionists coming over to the apolitical Leave campaigns, do not have to endorse each others’ party policies, nor indeed UKIP’s. This is one of the few issues where such cross-spectrum cooperation has been seen in the UK. We should celebrate that, rather than create spurious and inaccurate comparisons outside of factual reality.

    • UKSteve

      “It is the only party to have been consistent in its demands for a referendum.”

      How much more of this stupid rubbish to we have to put up with?

      UKIP has never demanded a referendum, and Nikki Sinclair’s petition (which triggered a Commons debate and actually got us this referendum was, I am reliably informed by UKIP members, at 74,000 signatures before UKIP’s even started!

      Additionally, Farage ordered members to try and block her petition>

      UKIP have been and are a complete waste of time and money with Farage at the helm, which is why it’s money is dwindling, backers are deserting it, and members doing an mass exodus to the Conservatives. Since it’s had MEPs, it’s gone native Nothing but a gravy train club for Farage and chums, and a dustbin for protest votes.

      And what is UKIP doing for the referendum campaign?

      • Anita Rabar

        ……. What is it with you and Farage ? You rant like a mad man. You obviously have a strong desire to be ruled by the Globalists …. you want to know what UKIP are doing for the referendum campaign ….. try asking the four million plus supporters … grow up.

      • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

        Well Steve.. What is UKIP doing for the referendum campaign?…. backing the correct side… looking to gte people to vote to leave… and thats fine with me.

        • UKSteve

          “backing the correct side” – quite pathetic, really.

          “looking to gte people to vote to leave” – how exactly?

          I don’t see them in the serious media (not tired and irrelevant rubbish like Question Time or Any Questions), and I don’t see them anywhere in the streets.

          I see Faragista cultists claiming “UKIP got us the referendum” when the opposite was true. I also see lots of down-voting of Disqus posts, so that’s certain to get us out!

          Well, as long as it’s fine with you I’m comforted, I mean, it’s not like there’s a national referendum coming up or anything.

      • Poj

        It is almost entirely only ‘kippers who are out on the streets every week delivering leaflets for the Leave campaigns in my part of Essex. We have been doing this for weeks, while Tory ‘outers’ were still waiting for Dave’s non-deal. Since then there have been no more than a handful of Tories, it is still the kippers week in, week out delivering the message.

        • UKSteve

          Great news. I wish there were some activity here in Birmingham, I don’t know of anyone who’s received anything.

          • Poj

            Hi Steve, get on to any of the leave websites, they have sign-ups & details of local activity. If there isn’t anyone else out in your area, then you can start it off! Someone has to be first…

          • UKSteve

            Excellent, will do – many thanks, Poj.

      • rogerrandout1

        You silly brainwashed fool

        • UKSteve

          Explain?

          • rogerrandout1

            ‘UKIP has never demanded a referendum??It ‘s whole reaison d’etre is about holding an in/out referendum It will cease to exist as a party once we have voted out A UKIP dont have the resources to match government spending they are to a large extent relying on medis exposure which because of it s left wing bias is not too kindly disposed to do so

          • UKSteve

            If that’s the case, then they are only a campaign / pressure group? That will come as news to my mates, they’re under the impression that it’s a political party trying to win seats in the Commons to achieve it’s objectives! – presumably UKIP will fold now that we are having a referendum?

          • rogerrandout1

            I certainly hope not but if we hopefully leave the EU then UKIP will have succeeded . Which you cannot say about any other partry . I have faith in Farage like I do not have with any other so called politician we have to choose from at the moment .What he has ever said in the past has come true .That cannot be denied . The establishment hate him for that because they have existed on lies for the pat thirty or more years

          • UKSteve

            I remain puzzled though, roger, as to why UKIP idiots – not regular members, who are fine – keep trying to take credit for this referendum, when it was Nikki Sinclair’s petition that triggered it.

            I’m told (reliably) her and Nigel are ‘enemies’, but this opportunity is too critically important for ‘personality clashes’, no? I say this, because if the vote goes to Remain again, that’s it basically; us EUrosceptics will have no currency to trade to persuade people we’re better off out.

          • rogerrandout1

            Why refer to UKIP supporters as ‘idiots’ but not members ? I dont understand the point you are trying to make . UKIP have existed long before Nikki Sinclair came on the scene as far as I am aware . Nigel is going out of his way to avoid clashes with anyone . Hence his willingness to accommodate the likes of George Galloway(some one I would be seen dead with) Of course this is our last chance . No one denies that . We must vote out this time or forever hold our peace

          • UKSteve

            I was referring to members – but I don’t regard cret1ns claiming credit for something they tried to block as “regular”, and as I said, they damage the cause, as well as the party. My mates are regular members – good common sense guys even if they do support ‘weird’ football teams – are good examples. I just rang one of them, and he says that your comment about Sinclair is wrong, she was “in the party in the first year it formed, so basically a founding member”.

            I think it’s great Galloway is on board, he has 1 million followers on social media.

  • Radford_NG

    Here is the item many commenter’s have been asking for:the truth about N gate.
    http://dailym.ai/1S7gKld

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Rotherham/Rochdale indicate that hit the fan time is fast approaching. Stage Two, drag the corrupt police, social workers and local government officials into court, and start handing down serious slammer time sentences.
    “She’s just sucking my *ock.”
    Plod just drives on.
    Gross offence against public decency involving a minor, and Plod looks the other way.

  • Hippograd

    If only Europe were like Britain, where we hate immigration but love immigrants. That’s why we’ve managed to harness the world-beating tech skills of the Somali community and make our economy boom.

    And look at the outreach programme conducted by the Pakistani community in Rotherham (among other places). They ran chess clubs for under-privileged girls from the so-called white community, rolling out best practice from Rochdale, Oxford, Derby, etc, etc.

    Heart-warming stuff!

  • Sam Jam

    It is exactly this type of action which pushed us into the First and Second World Wars and I can’t help wonder if this is intentional or planned? How many of these people coming into Europe are genuine Asylum Seekers or Benefit Tourists and how many are in fact Insurgents working as part of a plan to destabilise Europe, which is exactly what is beginning to happen! Europe needs to stand united and realise that we have no choice but to get tough with these people, stop them coming into our countries and send them back to where they came from! During the Wars most Europeans stood their ground and fought for their freedoms and this is exactly what should be happening with these people. They should be setting up camps on the borders of Syria and teaching these people how to fight and stand up for themselves. Freedom of transit within the EU was designed solely for European members, not outsiders. The problem now is that there are far too many greedy hands taking from the pot and not enough going back in, but it doesn’t help when those at the top, such as wealthy bankers, company execs, Politicians and Shareholders, are busy taking too and giving nothing back!!

    • nibs

      Sam Jam
      Yes the invasion of the immigrants is intentional and planned, search…the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan-the Genocide of the Peoples of Europe ……Merkel’s name is at the end of the article I urge you and everyone else to read it

    • rogerrandout1

      They are muslims who will be welcomed by their fellow muslims here in Britain as Bruvvers in arms. Their culture will be extended and encroached on ours to the point that we will be squeezed out of areas they dominate. hey will never integrate because they wont need to

  • Conwyn

    Europe is a big place with random borders at best a river or mountain range but more often the consequence of some far off war. Europe has a low birth rate. So it is sensible in the long term to encourage movement into Europe. Compare with the USA 150 years ago. There are two issue one is cultural often semi-religious but more importantly language. The quote Neil Kinnock – English is the lingua franca of Europe and so it is sensible to migrate to the country which speaks English. The UK can not absorb these English speaking migrants easily so the most sensible thing for Europe would be to adopt English as their national language and so absorb the migration. The EU could become the English (language) Union and utilize the skills and hard labor of the visitors.

    We have seen hatred in Europe so many times throughout history and the Left and Right often polarize the arguments but the migrants are similar to the Europeans. The honest hard working and the criminal exist in all societies and it is worth remembering these migrants had the money to pay the people smugglers so should enhance the economic skills of Europe and line the pockets of the Europeans who are part of the people smuggling trade.

    • rogerrandout1

      Even that great democracy America is dividing along racial lines as we speak The two main parties are wooing the non white vote to get elected. Something that was never talked about twenty years ago.Polarisation is taking place . We are also becoming an apartheid society with ghettos and seperate areas and schools . This is a tradgedy made by the do gooders and naive socialists. who have dominated our lives over the past twenty years or more . Silently destroying our settled way of life because it didnt suit their idealised vision of how we should be living

  • Carol

    Good …and let’s hope the collapse happens soon. We are being brainwashed into thinking this EU is the best thing ever when in reality they are unable to make decisions. Heart ruling rather than head. Dreamers the lot of them. Stoop the migrants leaving or tow them back. That is the humanitarian thing to do

  • umthakhati

    I suggested shooting them many years ago. We should have nipped the problem in the bud and, in the long run, saved many lives – the West has been brainwashed by Left-Wing doctrine.

    • Tom Cullem

      We should have rioted when Blair opened the floodgates. We should have voted out the politicians refusing to bring down immigration numbers. We should have voted for a proportional voting system instead of keeping FPTP – UKIP would have 80 MPs and its four million voters would not have been completely disenfranchised. What chance to you think the IN vote would have with 80 UKIP MPs? Why do you think the establishment wanted FPTP so badly?

      There are many crossroads this country passed, ignoring the direction of the signposts before us. The first of which was crucifying Enoch Powell.

      “He who will not when he may/When he will, he shall have nay.”

      Voting LEAVE is our last chance.

      • Fritz123

        You should leave the Geneva refugee convention. The EU helps you to avoid refugees. It has nothing to do with it.

  • olliebear1516

    Merkel is one of the biggest extremists on the planet. To recklessly invite unlimited, unchecked, unqualified immigration to a country is sheer lunacy, and to then expect every German citizen to welcome this without any thought or reservation is disgusting. Merkel is doing more damage to Germany and Europe than Hitler did.

    • Ordinary Man

      Calm down lad.

    • mr humphreys

      She reminds me of little Oskar in The Tin Drum leading the Third Reich to its final destruction, only she is a real dwarf leading a new Germany to another destruction.

  • peterfieldman

    The world operates under the basis of nation states with constitutions and the rule of law. National identity is what binds our societies. Where there are conflicts in the world the rich nations accept the need to grant humanitarian aid and perhaps find homes on a temporary basis for those displaced due to wars or who live in poor countries. This does not mean granting nationality and passports to millions of people from different continents with different cultures including a permanent home for life because they like the idea of living in the West and do not wish to return to their own countries.
    Europe has been allowing illegal immigration for far too long creating a two tier society. While most people live according to the laws, our cities are full of illegal immigrants, living in tents, begging, taking illegal jobs. selling counterfeit goods in the street or holiday resorts or ending up in crime. Calais should have been shut down before it was allowed to become a jungle with all illegal economic migrants deported. Our Governments have to decide whether we live in law abiding societies or chaos and anarchy. And there is not much time left before Europe collapses into social disorder.

    • Marvin

      The governments have decided that the laws we must abide by are the human rights laws that ONLY protect the lawless, the illegals, the criminals and every law breaker to step foot into western soil.

      • peterfieldman

        I attach my caricature on Merkel and the migration crisis. ——————————————–

    • Pioneer

      “Our Governments have to decide whether we live in law abiding societies
      or chaos and anarchy. And there is not much time left before Europe
      collapses into social disorder.”

      They have decided on chaos. The purpose is not anarchy, but totalitarian control over divided societies.

      • mr humphreys

        “The purpose is not anarchy, but totalitarian control over divided societies.” You speak the wisdom of Alex Jones / InfoWars. Jones takes the credit for being the first to solve the New World Order riddle back in the 90’s. In doing so he gave a great fillip to professional and retired conspiracy theorists. What impresses me about Jones has less to do with fluoridated water than the impressive reading list he used to work out his overarching theory which takes in among other things the Bilderburg Group, the American Constitution, Orwell’s 1984, and the writings of Alexander Solzhenitsyn which latter work, I suspect, is what makes Alex E Jones stand out.

        In fact he is unrivalled, I think.

  • http://www.21stcenturybusinessentrepreneur.com/ Patrick Clarke

    The Establishment Politicians, and I include Cameron, Merkel and Hollande in that, and their allies in the Mainstream Media are entirely to blame for these trends. Anyone speaking against this unending tidal wave is immediately demonised as a racist, xenophobe, far right extremist, hate preacher, islamophobe etc etc that such words cease to carry any meaning. It’s on a par with when people in Medieval times were denounced as witches and heretics, including Galileo, the 400th anniversary of whose excommunication from the Catholic Church arises this week.
    The populations of Europe including the UK have been taken to be gullible fools for far too long. They can see for themselves that countries such as Saudi Arabia refuse to accept a single migrant or offer any aid other than to build 200 brainwashing centres, also known as Salafist Mosques, in Germany.
    These trends reached a new low with the attempts to cover up the events in Cologne on New Years Eve and the current witch hunt apparently taking place to track down the whistleblowers in the police on duty that night.
    Quite clearly a naked attempt to colonise Europe is taking place that the EU Establishment is only too happy to go along with as these new arrivals will have no underlying loyalty to the various member states they have entered. This treachery is now finally coming under the scrutiny it deserves and the more that the Establishment refuses to take heed, the more that people will turn to the likes of Le Pen and Petry.
    While we are on the subject of figures, don’t forget that Le Pen was polling over 40% in parts of France. This is how much people are alienated and repelled by mainstream politicians. To carry on ignoring these feelings and indeed denigrating them will multiply that process. If only Le Pen and Petry are saying what many people think whilst the rest peddle the PC line, the more support they will mobilise and those entirely to blame will be the Establishment Politicians and their Media allies.
    The forthcoming referendum should rightly be viewed as an historic opportunity to rid ourselves of over mighty and virtually unaccountable politicians and bureaucrats who care only for their own career gravy train. It’s as decisive a moment in our Nation’s history as 1940 was. A wrong result to the Referendum will indeed be as equally calamitous.

  • HomoRationalensis

    Wonder what happens with neoliberals when Trump gets control of Washington their main security underwriters and bankers. Let’s see if they dare call Trump and the US voter “extreme”. The EU will have likely collapsed before Nov anyway.

    • BazilFirst DavidLast

      I agree about the E.U. however I have doubts about a US President, having a name that means flatulence, I think the `outsider` DR Jill Stein is gathering momentum.

  • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

    I hav ejust read an considerd the headline…. and my initial response is… so!

  • Tom Cullem

    The CSU (the “sister party” to Merkel’s CDU) called today for no more than 300 refugees per day to be allowed through.

    The host of London Dateline this weekend actually put it forward that the EU the UK is voting on is unlikely to exist in its current form in a short time due to the migrant crisis.

    It is astonishing that the IN campaign is simply ignoring all this. Well – not astonishing if you simply bear in mind that the IN campaign is protecting the interests of the investor-TTIP class.

    An OUT vote is the only real lever for change in Europe. The Dutch and possibly the French, Danes, and Hungarians, will be next out or at least scheduling referenda.

    Osborne and Cameron are proven liars – they aren’t working for the ordinary UK citizen, but for the City.

    When the EU demands more money, expands the guidelines for worker free movement, and completes its accession to the ECHR, which will sideline the national sovereignty of all member states, opt outs or no opt outs – all AFTER the referendum, don’t say you weren’t warned.

    Vote OUT and demand that they work for the people who put them in office. The entire IN campaign is based upon paving the way for TTIP and making the rich, richer. Don’t be played by theses sods.

  • Tom Cullem

    Among which countries, on what basis, and using what defence forces? The only two countries in NATO with anything resembling a decent defence force are the UK and Turkey.
    How do you envision this playing out when using the word “war”?

    • Tom M

      It wouldn’t be much of a stretch to think civil war though.
      I have in my thoughtfull moments thought a President Trump might not be too keen to keep being the main (or only) bulwark in Nato and that might make an under military resourced Europe an attractive place to come to if you were of an expansionist point of view.

  • BazilFirst DavidLast

    2 main reasons I wont be voting out,1. Ian Duncan Smith, 2. Michael Gove. Anything these two desire excludes the well-being of ordinary people. These 2 ministers have never done anything for us `underclass` plebs. What they are good at is tapping into the lynch mob mentality as usual.
    People need to get real, you can take the UK out of the EU,but,you cant take the EU out of the UK.

    I support The Prime Minister,he is peeing against the wind I know but he is trying his best to calm the situation down to a sensible level.

    As for the Mob., why worry, whether the UK is in or Out the E.U.is on course to self destruct, the Blue Touch Paper has been lit.

    • Tom M

      Seems a strange point of view that you place the future of the UK opposite two ephemeral politicians.

      • BazilFirst DavidLast

        If I had a Crystal ball Tom,I might agree with you. Thanks for your`e reply.

      • Mary Ann

        It makes more sense than putting the future of the UK in the hands of the little man who doesn’t like foreigners on trains yet brings a foreigner here to be his wife, he’s a hypocrite, and he has a lot of money in the bank to cushion his fall and he can run away to Germany if Britain goes pear shaped. He’s all right Jack.

        • Tom M

          Mary, the future of Britain is more long term than one fleeting politician.
          Go or stay we will have quite a lot of different ones along the way. You never know if we leave, politicians (and civil servants) might have to be better at their jobs and stop blaming it all on europe before going back to sleep.
          I will vote to leave hoping that they are up to, or will rise to, the task.

      • hobspawn

        Some are not capable of seeing beyond a politician’s appearance.

    • william brown

      I’m be voting out, for the simple reason that the SNP want to stay in!
      They bray about Scotland being dragged out of the EU against their will.
      Yet they want to drag Scotland out of the UK against their will!

      • Mary Ann

        Sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face, You should be voting on what you believe is best for you and your children’s children and best for your Country, In.

        • Pioneer

          If you vote in, you won’t have a country.

          Not hard to understand.

    • WTF

      Then you back 10 more Rotherhams or a sprinkling of London bombings then. I can’t stand IDS either but on this issue he is right no matter what I think of him as a person. You sound just like many Democrat supporters who will vote for Clinton but ignore all the lies she’s told. Sometimes you have to look at the issues rather than the person !

    • Bosanova

      Both in and out have politicians from left to right – two individuals shouldn’t sway it for you. Nor, in my opinion, should the economy which as many will tell you will follow a cycle (almost) independent from political tinkering.
      It is all about democracy. Don’t like IDS or MG? You can vote against them. But there’s stuff all you can do about faceless, corrupt fools whose names we don’t even know and who every day chip away at our sovereignty and right to self determination. You think think the EU is in it’s dreath throes? Then have mercy and apply the coup de grace it’s people’s long for.

      Love democracy? – Vote Out.

      • Latimer Alder

        Well said, Bosanova!.

        The EU was deliberately designed to be anti-democratic.

      • Mary Ann

        That gives more power to Murdoch.

        • hobspawn

          Stay in the EU to reduce Murdoch’s power! Sometimes I wonder about universal suffrage.

        • Bosanova

          That gives more power to YOU. It’s called democracy. And I disagree, the EU is a dream for powerful corporations to lobby directly and crush the minnows on a continental scale – don’t tell me Murdoch favours out. Whatever he says he’s an opportunist and will generally reflect what his readers wish to hear (cf Scottish independence). When he tries otherwise he comes unstuc; see his losing battle against Trump (you don’t need to agree with Trump, but he has been humiliating Fox News by pointing out their partisan views).
          As an outer I have to take a gulp and say that even people like George Galloway is right on this issue, but then so are Boris and Gove, people I have more respect for.
          The EU overides governments from left and right without ideological fear or favour, excepting of course the overarching EU ideology of the subjugation of Nation States. What do you have to fear of returning that power to you?
          May I encourage you to do something positive rather than define yourself by opposition to people you don’t like? Vote out, you have nothing to lose but your chains!

          • Mary Ann

            I agree Murdoch is an opportunist, more interested in selling newspapers than what is best for Britain, pity he has so much influence.

      • hobspawn

        You nailed it.

    • Latimer Alder

      The question in front of you is not about specific politicians.

      It is not a beauty contest, nor an opportunity for virtue signalling.

      It is a simple question about our membership of the European Union.

      Please focus your efforts on thinking about that very particular question.

      And FWIW, if you are truly convinced the EU will self-destruct, I’d suggest it would be better to have left and found safe haven before it hits the rocks, rather than remain a member and be obliged to spend years extricating ourselves from the wreckage.

    • Mary Ann

      I’m still waiting for a sensible argument as to why Britain on its own with its 60 million people can get better trade deals than the EU with its 500 million people. I don’t want Britain to become an inward looking country. I don’t like the hatred that is being stirred up either.

      • PhyLum22 .

        Because we do more trade with the EU than they do with us. Sensible enough for you?

      • hobspawn

        The EU is inward looking, not the UK. We will do exceptionally well with India, Australia, Canada and the USA. Our economy will outperform the moribund Eurobloc even if we have less good trade deals. We buy more goods from the EU than they from us. How hard is that to understand?

        • Mary Ann

          You still haven’t answered the question, how can Britain get better trade deals than the biggest trading block in the world, the answer is of course, they can’t. Farage was right, there is a chance that we will be worse off outside the EU.

          • flaxman

            Of course we can negotiate trade deals that serve the British people. These deals will be negotiated by Brits for Brits, not some unelected corrupt EU bureaucrat, who only has an interest in the Brussels gravy train and his gold plated pension.

      • Pioneer

        Nothing to do with the number of people. S.Korea pop 50m. Malaysia pop 30m,
        New Zealand 4.5m etc, etc

        They don’t give away their countries or flood them with foreigners to whom they gift citizenship like confetti

      • Syntec

        M A, Your scaremongering tactics won’t work anymore.

        Norway and Switzerland, for example, never joined the EU, but there is no mass starvation and deprivation happening in either. According to the likes of you, Britain would sink into Third World status akin to Haiti or some such if she withdrew.

        Britain can still trade with countries outside of Europe and also within. Getting out of the EU which is nothing more than a consortium of mafia racketeers to begin with, would save trillions yearly through enabling an independent Britain to retain the millions she donates monthly to the EU gravy train, close her borders which can only lessen the burden on housing, welfare, healthcare, education and employment. It would also help to stop the continuous downward spiral of wages when compared with the perpetually upward cost of living trend.

        Those are just some of the benefits. Other posters, I’m sure, can add more examples.

        • Mary Ann

          I didn’t say anything of the sort, I merely asked why Britain could get better trade deals with the rest of the world than the EU, of course we can trade with the rest of the world, we already do, but none of the outers can tell me why we will get better trade deals on our own. I see you are ignoring the 2 million Britons living on mainland Europe in your comment as well, half a million of them are pensioners, they will put far more strain on the NHS if they are forced to come back because we have closed our borders.

          • Syntec

            You have already been told why.

            Britain will still continue trading with individual EU countries even if it exits. Furthermore, the EU will not want to risk Britain curtailing the sale of its commodities to the UK either by instigating trade hostilities, for example.

            Another poster has already pointed out that the EU buys less commodities from the UK than the UK buys from the EU.

            The likelihood of half a million pensioners returning to the UK after its borders have been closed, is remote. Furthermore, there’s one gigantic difference between 500,000 pensioners and several hundred thousand plus Third World immigrants continuously invading the UK on an non stop basis which ultimately runs into millions over the course of just a few years, countless numbers of whom arrive carrying deadly diseases with them thus placing further intolerable strain on our NHS not to mention, the already pregnant and the endless future breeders among them also placing even further increased strain on our NHS maternity services, housing, welfare, education and other related public services as well as decent employment opportunities.

          • Syntec

            You have already been told why.

            Britain will still continue trading with individual EU countries even if it exits. Furthermore, the EU will not want to risk Britain curtailing the sale of its commodities to the UK either by instigating trade hostilities, for example.

            Another poster has already pointed out that the EU buys less commodities from the UK than the UK buys from the EU.

            The likelihood of half a million pensioners returning to the UK after its borders have been closed, is remote. Furthermore, there’s one gigantic difference between 500,000 pensioners and several hundred thousand plus Third World immigrants continuously invading the UK on an non stop basis which ultimately runs into millions over the course of just a few years, countless numbers of whom arrive carrying deadly diseases with them thus placing further intolerable strain on our NHS not to mention, the already pregnant and the endless future breeders among them also placing even further increased strain on our NHS maternity services, housing, welfare, education and other related public services as well as decent employment opportunities.

    • hobspawn

       “…the E.U.is on course to self destruct…”

      And you want to be in the engine room when the ship goes down. Great logic.

    • polly parrot

      Beggars the question if you know that the EU is on self destruct then why would you want to stay in ?…..After reading what you say Ive come to the conclusion that the most frightening thing here is that you have a vote…..

  • Riley

    ISIS Using Refugees To Break Apart EU & Where are the 350,000 plus refugees that went missing in Germany?

    • Anglocynic

      130,000 unaccounted for is bad enough, don’t weaken the argument by exaggerating please.

      • Riley

        As a matter of fact, I understated the amount by 250,000 it should be 600,000, so I am not exaggerating but merely stating something to ponder!

        German government admits it cannot account for 600,000 of …
        pamelageller.com/2016/…/german-government-admits-it-cannot-account…
        CachedJan 21, 2016 – By Sam Tonkin For Mailonline, 21 January 2016 … stayed in Germany but instead gone on to a different country elsewhere in the EU. … The system, operated by the German Ministry For Migration And Refugees, aims … an exact figure for how many of the 600,000 were still in Germany but not yet registered.

        German Has LOST 600,000 Absconding Migrants Who …

        http://www.breitbart.com/…/2016/…/german-government-cant-account-for-60...

        CachedJan 22, 2016 – German Has LOST 600000 Absconding Migrants Who Could Be In Other EU Countries By Now. … operated by the German Ministry For Migration and Refugees. .

        • Jack Spade

          Breitbart? Geller? Puleeeze.

        • Mary Ann

          Oh well, if it’s in breibart it’s got to be right, hasn’t it? next seen in the Wail

        • Anglocynic

          The figure quoted in the Breitbart article yesterday was 130,000.

    • Mary Ann

      I agree Daesh are using refugees to break the EU apart, and look how well they are doing in Britain, the outers are playing right into their hands, if only they could see it.

  • mickey mouse

    Sounds good to me bring it on.

    • Mary Ann

      Don’t be daft.

  • mick lacey

    Farage for Prime Minister, as soon as possible.

    • paul Hindley

      Go back to sleep, UKIP are just the same, if Cameron and co let them on our TVs,their no good we have much better than them crooks but these party’s can’t get on the TV, its people like you that have voted for the lib-lab-con and now my kids will have to supper your mess and now their going to do it again with UKIP, go back a sleep, it better for all of us

      • polly parrot

        Typical bloody British victim mentality. Better than hope, or rising to a fight EH Paul. If not for Farage we wouldn’t even be getting this referendum. Your the one that’s asleep mate.

        • UKSteve

          Oh, not this b0llux again. Don’t you people ever shut up?

          Farage told ‘Kippers to block Nikki Sinclair’s attempt to get signatures for a petition – he only reluctantly signed it on College Green on the day of the Commons debate – on live TV!

          If you people BS over this, which most informed people know is a total lie, why should you be trusted with a single MP?

        • paul Hindley

          How meny times you stood for election ? Yes he’s all talk, I’ve stood 7 times and not for a party that had councillors in Rochdale at the time when all the kidy fiddling was going on, I stood for a proper party which name I can’t say on here as my post won’t get posted, I’ll give you a clue ? Our man got taken to court for saying it was happening, and as for only getting a referendum because of UKIP, what crap that iis, Cameron. Gave us a cast iron guarantee on a referendum to get people’s votes on his first turn, that was his first lie and it split the party, bingo, the rise of UKIP, but you know that a pal ? Like I said UKIP are the same, the very same, read UKIP’s manifesto it’s on their website and you will see what they are, and please stop getting your information from your TV because if Cameron and co let UKIP on the TV then UKIP are no good,

    • Mary Ann

      God spare us.

    • polly parrot

      The gutless British havent the balls to get behind a decent leader Mick. They betrayed him at the last election and they will betray him at the next. Getting behind Farage would mean committing to a fight. The 21st century British are basically wet servile victims. WW2 generation they aint. Little wonder the women are fighting to keep the borders open, its the only chance they have of seeing men who still have a set of balls.

  • Syntec

    The manner in which this extremely seminal issue is described here, is strictly Marxian Political Correctness rhetoric only.

    Let’s examine and then translate what’s really happening to ancestral White European homelands and peoples in truthful and actual terms.

    As far back as the 1700s, a protracted, but nonetheless targeted genocide of indigenous peoples of ALL White European nations was plotted and planned by the Ashkenazim along with that element which comprised Europe’s traitorous indigenous useful idiots or to articulate it in alternative terminology, generations of traitorous White goyim elite eager and more willing that the prior generation, to collect the proverbial thirty pieces of silver doing the bidding of the Ashkenazim cabal.

    By the 1920s, Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi had actually drawn up a revised version of the plan and whatsmore, ensured that it was put into action from then on.

    The agenda from the beginning including the Kalergi plan, was about the TOTAL racial and cultural replacement – in other words, Genocide of the European peoples altogether, hence the continuous Third World invasions we have been experiencing since the second World War.

    Fast tracking up to the present day, there are approximately 20,000 conspiring elite across the West who need to be rounded up silently and efficiently with the objective of removing them from office and thus power, and then following trial, eliminating them from society altogether.

    Their legal representations and trials should be determined and implemented by the very indigenous nations they’ve so blatantly and willfully betrayed, and funded though seizure of assets rather than at taxpayers expense since the vast majority of these traitorous elite have already condemned themselves (and are still doing so) out of their own mouths across the visual and printed media alike. That, in effect, is all that’s required to force them to relinquish their miserable lives in recompense for their indescribable crimes against White humanity. This can be done either at their own hands or at the hands of those millions of White peoples whom they’ve so willfully and blatantly betrayed which amounts to Hobson’s choice for the criminal elite and rightly so.

    Furthermore, there are countless Islamic fundamentalist factions in many Muslim countries who would also just love to be in a position to met out justice to the vast majority of this criminal elite also. Perhaps deals could be drawn up in this department.

    As the saying goes

    ” what goes around comes around”.

    • Dutch_Boy

      Deranged screed or accomplished spoof?

      • Syntec

        “Deranged screed or accomplished spoof?”
        ——————————————————–

        Neither!

        When faced with the truth, those in sympathy with the agenda of the NWO (New World Order) will always fear the truth, revile the truth and automatically deny the truth.

    • Mary Ann

      Keep taking the tablets.

      • hobspawn

        At least Syntec has a theory. You just blithely support the genocide of your own race, as he points out (although I am beginning to suspect you are a wahhabist). Certainly you are a traitor.

        • Mary Ann

          It’s not genocide, it’s women’s lib, it’s the birth rate that’s going to get us, not Islam. Calling me a traitor because I believe that Britain is better off in the EU just shows how silly you are, or are you so arrogant that you cannot believe that anyone would disagree with you, even Farage has said that Britain could be worse off outside the EU. That makes him a traitor for trying to get us out.

          • hobspawn

            I use the term traitor in the sense of its meaning: someone who works to destroy his country. There is no question that the goal of the European Union is to dissolve the constituent countries and form a politically unified superstate. Those of you who seek the dissolution of your own countries are traitors.

          • Mary Ann

            And when half the population vote for us to stay in the EU I suppose you are going to call them traitors as well. You have problems.

          • hobspawn

            By voting to expatriate the powers of government to Brussels, with its track record of non-accountability, you prove yourselves traitors, and it doesn’t matter how many you are.

        • Syntec

          I agree.

          Anyone who refuses to shed the Marxian indoctrination and face reality about what’s happening in every White homeland across the European continent, is indeed a traitor of the worst kind and one deserving of harsh punishment.

          Assuming you are White, anyone who can betray their own racial brethren and aid and abet the enemy’s genocide agenda needs to be banished and forced to reside among the very Third World invaders who have all but been given the green light by the ruling elite to rape and murder their way across ancestral White European homelands

          If traitors were treated thus, the Third World barbarians would unwittingly be greatly assisting in seeing off such useful idiot traitors which would have the very beneficial effect of killing off what is, after all, the suicidal and mentally depraved element within all White populations.

          • mr humphreys

            Correction Syntex, ‘the homicidal and mentally depraved elements’ since these spoiled lefties are reacting against white autonomy in the way spoiled narcissistic brats behave – by wiping out their parents.

  • Liberanos

    The very last thing we need are the crooks, con men and shysters waiting their chance to smuggle themselves illegally into our country from their base in Calais. They’ve travelled through completely safe countries right across Europe and are now trying to escape from France to avail themselves of the good life in dear old Britain. Yet, astonishingly, there are people here who want to let them in. The exit of the UK from the foetid swamp of the EU cannot come quickly enough for me.

    • Mary Ann

      They want to come to Britain because they speak English, and come from countries where we have interfered in the past. If the young men stayed in France they would get better benefits but we are seen as something special they even think the British people want them. They should try reading the right wing press.

      • hobspawn

         ” they even think the British people want them”

        That’s your fault, Wahhabi mole.

        • Mary Ann

          Don’t be daft.

          • hobspawn

            Not daft at all. You posted that muslim and Christian God are the same. Obviously you are a Wahhabist racist traitor.

          • Mary Ann

            Christians and Muslims and Jews all worship the god of Abraham. Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet. I will forgive you for your lack of knowledge, after all, it is the Christian thing to do.

          • hobspawn

             “Christians and Muslims and Jews all worship the god of Abraham.”

            Oh dear. Here is Matthew 5 38-39:
            Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
            But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

            The true nature of God is not the vengeful angry Yahweh of the Old Testament, nor the bloodthirsty totalitarian of the Koran. Christ is loving and merciful and forbids his followers to commit violence.

            If you think those three are the same, then you are clearly unfamiliar with all three texts and traditions.

      • Liberanos

        They are illegal immigrants under the laws of all countries. Which is why they are trying to smuggle, force, cajole and bribe their way in. Many of them have left families behind to face the bombs and bullets alone. They have paid good money to mobsters to get them to Europe. Now, they want the money on offer here, and have bullied their way across Europe to get it. As I say, crooks, con men and shysters.

      • flaxman

        They are illegals and should not be allowed into this country. If they really think that the people of Britain actually want them here, then they are seriously misled and should be educated as to what the real situation is.

      • mr humphreys

        Mary, the reason they pretend to believe Britain welcomes them with open arms is entirely due to the machinations of Labour ministers like Jack Straw and Barbara Roche during the Tony Blair period. The facts about that dismal episode which has been coming to the surface in dribs and drabs since 2009 are currently being serialized in the Daily Mail from Broken Vows by Tom Bower. It follows that since the economic migrant friendly policies were enacted ‘secretly’ without approval of ordinary voters it follows we feel no obligation to provide for them.

  • WTF

    “Intransigence over borders and benefits is feeding extremist politics across the continent”

    Is it really extremist policies, I hardly think so as whilst the EU doesn’t have a ‘federal tax’ system EU wide like the USA, then here will be disagreements over who funds what. You can’t have a system where costs can be shifted around by actions instigated by Merkel & Juncker but there is no central taxation authority in Brussels as it wont work. We all know that the Eurozone was a smoke job to try and get harmonized tax in via the back door but that wont happen now after Greece and migrants so people will rightly say why she we pay for Merkels debacle over migrants. Borders and benefits are two sides of the same coin after all.

    She and the Juncker created this mess and its up to them to fix it by halting migration before even more ‘intransigence’ pops up and anyway, what the EU calls intransigence is what the rest of us call democracy.

    • Mike Breen

      Just a small point, but the USA has a WORLDWIDE tax system. It taxes ALL nationalities ALL over the world as long as those people meet it’s own criteria of being US tax payers. The EU agreed to it, but then it had to because the USA put a financial gun to the entire worlds banking system in the form of FATCA. Now,

      • WTF

        Fair point but I think it was aimed at US citizens who tried to play a sort of NON DOM stunt in tax havens. Normal US citizens living legally as my American wife did in the UK was not under their jurisdiction due to double taxation treaties as she paid UK taxes. Now back in the USA she like myself (UK citizen) is subject to US taxes but not UK taxes on income etc. I think the general point about people resident in America (US or not), is they are subject to tax on world wide income for example just as Spain is and whereas both countries demand declaration of global income, the UK seems lax, at least for a lot of non doms.

        • Mary Ann

          France also taxes on world wide incomes.

          • hobspawn

            So do you declare your Saud funding?

          • Mary Ann

            Please engage brain before typing.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Another good reason not to include France on your short list of host nations.

        • Mike Breen

          Most people are subject to tax on their worldwide income in the country where they are resident, but only two countries on the planet tax people on their income no matter where in the world they live. Eritrea and the USA. Amusingly, it was the USA at the head of UN in 2011 screaming for sanctions against Eritrea if they did not stop doing it.
          Your US wife in the UK would have had an earnings exception before having to pay US tax on it (big of them!) but what about the following issues?
          Additional US taxation on earnings above their “generous” exception?
          Tax on unearned income?
          Tax on pensions that are not taxed or tax deferred in the UK?
          Savings schemes treated as overseas trusts by the USA, so taxable?
          A whole range of taxes applied by the USA not applied in the UK?
          US tax on sale of UK family home? How do you think that will go down with the wife?
          Cost of reporting. You will almost certainly need to pay an accountant, from $500 up to several thousand.
          Inability to make sound financial plans as a foreign country changes their rules?
          Business and family issues as the US insists the “American” reports family and business details in fine detail to the USA?
          Family issues as your US status effects and taxes your family?
          Inability to get any senior position in a company, as that company will NOT like making detailed tax reports for a foreign country.
          Inability to gain access to banking services (post FATCA many banks don’t want Americans).
          Inability to get a pension?
          Inability to get a mortgage?
          More job issues in the UK now as most companies must enrol employees in a pension and pension companies do not want Americans.
          A lovely Canadian example of family taxation is in the case of RCDSP, a tax payer funded savings plan for disabled Canadian children. Guess what? The Canada is getting his savings plan taxed because his parents were born in the USA and so the savings plan is a foreign trust.
          Constant fear of a simple mistake in an immensely complex reporting system (filed to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, charming) because the fines for even the most basic mistake and even where no taxes were avoided or evaded are life destroying, confiscatory and up.
          Nah, the USA has lost the plot. I think Eritrea should be demanding the UN take action against the USA.

          • WTF

            I’ll just submit my very modest pension income to the IRS as I now live in the USA and that will be that. I don’t think any of the above should affect me as I’ll be treated along with my wife as a couple filing jointly.

          • Mike Breen

            I’m happy for you. The point is though, around 8 million people post FATCA act are having their lives being made miserable to impossible by the USA. The fact is the USA is now using it’s claims on people to extract money from other countries. The fact is, Americans are enslaved to their tax system. not free to even leave the country. Of course, most people will dismiss this as no big deal if it’s not ruining their lives.

          • WTF

            Spain introduced a FATCA system around 5 years ago or so which required ALL foreign assets to be declared and looking at the rules here on line, it seems no different. There is no tax on assets but obviously its a clamp down on individuals hiding assets from the state. Its not really a big deal in my book.

          • Mike Breen

            It’s not a big deal because you still do not understand. Spain has NOT introduced any system to hunt down Spaniards in order to hound them to pay taxes to a country where they no longer live, unlike the USA.

          • WTF

            Correction, Spain has introduced a draconian fine if you don’t declare your world wide assets and they find out about it.

          • Mike Breen

            Oh yea, countries around the world are introducing draconian and unfair tax regulations aimed at people who have the gall to have assets outside of the country, and it’s disgraceful.
            However, only the USA and a nasty little African dictatorship attempt to apply unfair taxation rules to people who left the country and in some cases, have never been there.

          • Mike Breen

            I’m happy for you. The point is though, around 8 million people post FATCA act are having their lives being made miserable to impossible by the USA. The fact is the USA is now using it’s claims on people to extract money from other countries. The fact is, Americans are enslaved to their tax system. not free to even leave the country. Of course, most people will dismiss this as no big deal if it’s not ruining their lives.

      • Mary Ann

        It’s the US who have been doing most of the stirring up in the Middle East and they are doing nothing to help all those displaced people. Us and France come a long way up the list also, and Greece and Germany are carrying the can. It’s ironic, the US does least, closely followed by us and only France are doing a bit more.

        • Mike Breen

          Perhaps the USA could use some of the money it is stealing from the rest of the world in order to help sort out the mess in the middle east? I’m sure the parents of disabled Canadian children will be thrilled to know the Canadian tax payer funds intended for a disabled Canadian child is going to a good cause.

  • Bob Hunter

    Funny you know………I thought all this mayhem was caused by the west interfering in the middle east, obviously I am too stupid to come to the clever conclusion……………Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    • Latimer Alder

      Fear not. The savage tribes of the Middle East, fuellled by the bloodthirsty ravings of their imaginary skypixies, have been doing their best to kick the sh*t out of each other for millennia.

      It ain’t our fault.

      And by a happy chance, the rise of fracking for oil and gas in the rest of the world is freeing us from reliance on their only asset – oil.

      • Mary Ann

        Just as the different groups of Europeans have been doing the same to each other, but not for the last 70 years. As for sky pixies, their sky pixie is the same as ours, the difference is only in the presentation.

        • Latimer Alder

          I don’t have a skypixie.

          • Mary Ann

            Neither do I. My father was an atheist as well, he could quote great chunks out of the Bible, probably why he didn’t believe in it.

          • Latimer Alder

            Then in what sense is ‘their skypixie the same as ours’?

            And FWIW I went to Sunday School 50 years ago and still know the bible far better than my significant other who has attended mass nearly every day for 50+ years

          • GB

            Is that a prove of your good memory or that your ‘significant other’ attends masses to have a nap there?

          • Mary Ann

            Their skypixie is the god of Abraham, and they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet. I suffered from hell-fire and damnation lectures when I was at school, these days they pick out the nice bits. I remember someone quoting a nasty bit from the Bible, I looked it up, first in one of the modern Bibles, it wasn’t there so I looked in the King James version and there it was. Which was right?

        • PhyLum22 .

          I am sorry but you don’t speak from knowledge. If you had read both the relevant “Holy Books” you would know for an absolute fact that their sky pixie is fundamentally different to our sky pixie. Why do so many people grab their opinions out of thin air?

        • hobspawn

           “As for sky pixies, their sky pixie is the same as ours, the difference is only in the presentation.”

          You can not be that ignorant, so I now consider you to be a taqqiya jihadist. Can you find me anything in the New Testament like this direct command from Allah:
          Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause) those who disbelieve, smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.”

          • Mary Ann

            Jesus commended the OT, that’s why they are in churches, if you don’t believe in the Old Testament you don’t believe in the teachings of Jesus.

          • hobspawn

            Which passage in the OT are you referring to? I challenge you to find one where God commands us to slaughter the infidel. Jesus was clear: let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Turn the other cheek. Put away your swords. You are a liar as well as a traitor.

          • oliver cromwell

            eye for an eye. do onto others as they do onto you

          • hobspawn

            Matthew 5, 38-39:
            Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
            But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

          • Germainecousin

            Old Miriam loves to post under a cuddly Christian name. If she was a Christian, she would be severely worried about the impact of these immigrants, but she isn’t. There are some followers of islam who are beginning to see that the relentless tide of violence emanating from them is proving a bit of a turn off in some quarters. The message is the same, but the presentation of it is different.

        • Sue Smith

          And don’t forget the suicide vests.

          • Mary Ann

            It’s amazing what people can be brainwashed into doing with the aid of religion.

          • WTF

            Only if they are mentally retarded in the first place.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Always risky to call attention to another religion as illogical, unless of course you’re an Atheist.

        • Latimer Alder

          ‘….unless of course you’re an Atheist’

          I’m a 100% signed up card-carrying unbeliever in worshipping anything. Or in taking moral instruction from Big Black Books of any description.

          As a BTW I very carefully wrote skypixies (plural) to be clear that my contempt applied to ALL religions. Not just one in particular.

          • oliver cromwell

            no needed I agree these to roads in life good or bad its your down to you
            which road you take

    • polly parrot

      BOB 85% of the “refugees” are nothing to do with war torn country’s and 100% of the 15% left were already in safe accommodation in Turkey where they were recieving food shelter and health care.

  • Muttley

    “Intransigence over borders and benefits is feeding extremist politics across the continent.”

    It is unlimited immigration policies which are the main form of extremism going on in the EU. If anyone suggested there should be no immigration at all, they would be called an extremist. Similarly, anyone who advocates immigration without any limit on quantity or quality is extremist, and should be called out as such.

    We have extremist pro-immigration policies now, and that’s what’s causing all the trouble.

    • hobspawn

      Yes indeed. The article is labelling as ‘extremists’ those who simply want their countries and their people to survive. In traitor class parlance, ‘extreme right’ means moderate.

      • Mary Ann

        Our people will not survive unless we start having more babies, the birth rate for Western Europeans is about 1.6, replacement rate 2.1 it’s about 10 generations. Nothing to do with immigration.

        • hobspawn

           “Our people will not survive unless we start having more babies…”

          That will not happen with current rates of immigration.

          • Mary Ann

            Since when has immigration had any affect on the number of children the native people have, you can’t possibility believe that white women in Britain are having less babies because of immigration.

          • WTF

            Deliberate mis-conflation, its one immigrant group over producing that will displace our Christian-Judeo culture

          • oliver cromwell

            no its what they what 5 bedroom house 2 new cars 52 in tv holidays
            the side of the world and all the rest of the worthless rubbish they buy

          • hobspawn

            I certainly do believe that. The influx of millions of foreigners into this country, many of whom are a net drain on our economy, and many of whom have fractured the national identity, has impoverished us all in real terms. Relative poverty dramatically reduces the number of children people have. The political solution to a population contraction is to encourage the population to have more children, not invite in hordes of people whose contribution to the nation is highly questionable and who wish to annex rather than integrate.

        • GB

          ‘Our people will not survive unless we start having more babies’ – let’s replace them with muslim migrants then they will survive. Quite an interesting logic.

        • oliver cromwell

          so ann you don’t mind if your grandchildren have to pray to islam 5 times a day
          to live

        • mr humphreys

          Of course it’s all about third world Commonwealth immigration making up the replacement level quota. You’ll be saying it has nothing to do with the history of first, second, third and fourth wave feminism next. To get ourselves out of this rut we need a saviour demigod to come along and first strangle the coiled monster of immigration, and then go one further and slay the aforesaid feminist quartet of titans with his trusty club.

          Once our hero Paul Weston has routed those twin scourges of ‘white majority rule’ a new Patriotistical brand of feminism can be instaurated. Hopefully when that day comes our women (not trying to trigger you with that) who will be suitably chastened by having witnessed the edifying drama of almost mythic magniloquence will come round a bit to our way of thinking (you know, Sargon of Assad, Paul J Watson , Thunderfoot) and see their way to helping Hellas replenish its own people and get its own replacement levels up. Ye gods!!!

          • mr humphreys

            Correction, that should be Sargon of Akkad, of course.

        • WarriorPrincess111111

          Don’t be silly! Populations never decrease unless there is some massive crisis – disease, starvation or war! Even more simply stated – every couple has two children at least, those two children form the next generation, each having two children, create the next generation etc., How can a population decrease?

  • David Bickenson

    I just can’t wait for the break up of the EU and all those “Little Hitlers” in Brussels being jobless. They have been ruling the roost for far too long and are of no benefit to any country in Europe.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Never one to blow my own trumpet, but what publication would be illogical to ban one of their most talented Internet correspondents?

    • polly parrot

      Well said Jack. Nail on the head mate.

  • Suzy61

    Anyone with doors and locks on their house are making a conscious decision about who, and who should not, be allowed to enter their home.

    The reasons for this are obvious and yet, to apply the same logic to one’s country is to be labelled an extreme xenophobic.

    • Sean L

      Yes and people even put walls around their home, in addition to the doors and locks, for the same reason: to keep people out, to repel unwanted visitors. Yet when a politician proposes building a territorial wall for the same purpose he’s universally derided. Except by the voters, of course, who recognise no difference in principle between the two. Properly understood he attack on the wall is an attack on the idea of national allegiance that the wall symbolises, ie on the voters themselves. Thus national allegiance is reprented in public discourse as vulgar and plebian, even stigmatised as “racist”.

      • WarriorPrincess111111

        I don’t think the Berlin wall should have ever come down! I think it should have been extended to keep Germany out of everyone’s face!

      • WarriorPrincess111111

        I don’t think the Berlin wall should have ever come down! I think it should have been extended to keep Germany out of everyone’s face!

        • WTF

          Yep, should have extended it for any country on the mainland who wanted to join the EU.

  • hopporace

    Sounds like Europe’s fraying at the edges, and reaching the point of no return. Taking it off my travel bucket list, pronto.

  • hobspawn

    ‘Extremist’ is traitor class parlance for ‘moderate’. ‘Moderate’ is traitor class parlance for ‘jihad supporter’. ‘Conservative’ is traitor class parlance for ‘traitor’.

  • polly parrot

    And why mention Farage ? This is not so much an article about the German situation as it is about calling Farage and UKIP “right wing”…..Pathetic gutter journalism. unimaginative slosh written in a dead beat bar by a dead beat journalist. When we have nothing to intelligent or constructive to say we turn to the old favorites EH…..right wing, fascism Hitler shooting children YE GODS no wonder people despise the media.

    • UKSteve

      Poor polly – did the nasty journalist point out some truths about your superhero Nigel?

  • polly parrot

    Of course this article could have pointed out that if the arrogant and corrupt EU had listened to Farage in the first place then this whole migrant nightmare would never have arisen. But that FACT would be praising Farage, and that wasn’t the “authors” intention was it.

    • Mary Ann

      Didn’t you know that a lot of people are actually concerned about those fleeing from civil war.

      • McQueue

        Quite the opposite – they make us look sane whilst the rest of Europe continue in their stupidity.

        • Pioneer

          It is impossible to make Mary Ann look sane.

          • Sue Smith

            Agreed.

      • oliver cromwell

        well Cameron gone around the EU begging like a fool in stead of walking in like a man
        and saying this is what I what take or leave its your choice

        • WarriorPrincess111111

          The EU only agreed to meet Cameron for talks – the priority issue that the EU also discussed was that they wanted Britain’s support for a huge loan to be made to the Greeks!

          • Jew

            I’m a Jew. Can I come in please?

            (I like £ and nothing else).

        • WarriorPrincess111111

          The EU only agreed to meet Cameron for talks – the priority issue that the EU also discussed was that they wanted Britain’s support for a huge loan to be made to the Greeks!

        • mr humphreys

          That’s because he was ordered to act like a craven cur by Junker and Schulz, and CaMORON was happy to oblige for a bone.

      • WarriorPrincess111111

        Is that so? Long before the EU parliament, Farage was arguing for the rights of the British people! In fact Nigel Farage has been doing so for more than twenty five years!

        • UKSteve

          Some proof?

          BTW, the Brussels chamber was opened in 1992, long after Strasbourg. Farage only became an MEP in 1999, and UKIP Leader in 2006.

          So how does that work? UKIP…..pfffft.

      • Bertie

        They actually show the European parliament that British MEPs have identified all the key problems of the EU.

        But given your Pro EU leanings it’s no surprise you come out with such misrepresentation…you’re correct in the claim that they make you look stupid – but your comments confirm that anyway.

        • Mary Ann

          They don’t make me look stupid, they make their supporters look stupid.

    • paul Hindley

      UKIP are just the same, have you read their manifesto, do you know what one is ? F-ck me, people our thick in this country,

      • paul Hindley

        People didn’t vote for a proper party when they had the chance, scared of being called Racist

        • Mary Ann

          If the cap fits.

  • kenneth t

    It can be explained with a new Einstien theory as EU = MI sq

  • chassy

    VOTE TO LEAVE THE CORRUPT EU ,I DID VOTE UKIP ,AND I WILL DO AGAIN ,THEY TELL THE TRUTH ,NOT LIKE CAMERON SELLING US DOWN THE RIVER OF NO RETURN

    • Mary Ann

      Come off it, Farage is just another politician who will get into bed with anyone just to get a bit more money. I had to laugh when Carswell refused to be corrupted over Short Money. Did he take it in the end?

    • paul Hindley

      Read UKIP’s manifesto and you will see their the same, every one is brain washed by their TVs

    • Mary Ann

      When was the last time Farage talked about the 2 million Britons living in Europe, when was the last time he told you that our Muslims don’t come from Europe? truth! don’t be fooled.

  • anthony perkins

    The United Kingdom did NOT go into Europe to be;
    a)Ordered around
    b)Told who we can and can’t admit
    c)Told what to do
    c)Given pointless laws directives and legislation
    d)Told we can’t deport illegal immigrants/asylumseekers/refugees etc from out country
    e)And finally told we cannot deport foreign criminals!!!

    We went in the understanding that we were TRADING PARTNERS NOTHING ELSE.

    We should damn get OUT put back border controls and stricter immigration measures, and bring in Aussie style points system so we ONLY take in people we NEED for jobs we need to FILL and NOTHING ELSE.

    • Mary Ann

      So did you vote without finding out the facts, ever closer union is in the Treaty of Rome.

      • anthony perkins

        I voted UKIP last year and the Tories won who support all this uncontrolled immigration and no border control and it’s ruining the United Kingdom thank you.

        • Mary Ann

          Uncontrolled immigration from the EU citizens comes with uncontrolled emigration of Britons to EU countries, it’s about 2 million each way, what’s your problem. Immigration from the rest of the world is controlled.

          I was talking to an outer the other day, he wants to leave the EU because he doesn’t like Blacks and Muslims (his words) he looked most surprised when I pointed out to him that immigration from the EU was predominately white Christian, and that we got our Muslims and our blacks from outside the EU.

          When was the last time your beloved leader told you the truth about immigration. It doesn’t suit his agenda.

    • mr humphreys

      Er, do you mind if we add one more proviso? That these jobsworthys’ come from white countries. You know, a little bit of Caucasian, nudge nudge, wink wink? It’s just that I’m fed up with hearing from upstarts like Tariq Ali and David Lammy telling me all my life how indebted I should be to West Indians, Red Indians, and all the caterpillars of the Commonwealth for providing the manpower for the English Industrial Revsolution, building up the railways, and managing the hospitals.

      • Mary Ann

        What difference does the colour of a person’s skin matter, unless of course you are a racist.

        • mr humphreys

          People who say that are either liberal liars or non whites with white envy complexes.

    • Mary Ann

      We voted for closer union, it is in the Treaty of Rome, BTW, whom have we been told we cannot allow into Britain? What pointless laws have been applied?

  • PJ Jury

    A vote of no Confidence in the Conservative Party running the UK

    MW

    Campaign created by

    Mike Wilson

    86,122
    of 100,000 signatures

    Facebook Twitter Email

    To: The Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Call for an immediate revote across the UK

    Why is this important?

    This is important to protect the lives of our societies most vulnerable like the elderly, disabled, homeless, hard working families not earning enough, people on zero hours contracts, students, people having benefits stopped, people victimised by cuts, people having to use food banks, whilst those with more than enough get tax cuts and get let off with tax evasion

    • The Reincarnated Sausage

      You can’t petition pirates.

      The UK is run by a mafia cartel. They aren’t interested in petitions

      • UKSteve

        The current referendum on our EU membership would render your comment completely incorrect.

        • WarriorPrincess111111

          Yes, well let’s just see how fair that referendum will be, shall we?

          • UKSteve

            Well, I have deep suspicions, but as I’ve wanted a vote on this for 30 years, I have to hold on to one thing…….hope.

            How extraordinary when the brainless cnut Johnson threw declared his side, there was talk (leaked by Cameron) that the first referendum – if Leave – will only trigger more negotiations and a second referendum

            No. ‘Leave’ means leave.

          • Mary Ann

            I expect the rumour was put around by the leave lot in the hope of getting more people who really want to stay to vote for them, we mustn’t fall for it. If only we were whole heartily in Europe we would probably be running it by now.

          • UKSteve

            It is a brainless tactic that could backfire. AFAIC, Johnson could be working for Cameron on the promise of a coronation for the next Leadership – these utter muppets are doing the cause no harm.

            <i."If only we were whole heartily in Europe we would probably be running it by now."

            I’ve never found any evidence to support this view, held buy an “ultra-orthodox set” of Remainers. For a start, a relationship that we were deceived and betrayed into in 1972, was never, ever going to work out. And quite frankly Mary, Nicholas Ridley saw it 2=5 years ago, I’ve no idea why sentient people fall for insane notion of a EUtopia.

            http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2011/09/from-the-archives-ridley-was-right/

          • Mary Ann

            If people really want to leave the ‘fairness’ of it will not make a difference, even if every politician and newspaper was encouraging us to stay you would still vote to leave, and there is nothing that will make me vote to leave. Don’t be surprised if there is a high postal vote for staying, there are 2 million Britons living in Europe who have a lot to lose if Britain leaves.

    • DCW

      So where is your petition against the traitorous labour party, for having created this entire mess, by opening the floodgates to unwanted immigration, bankrupting the country and emptying the treasury coffers, while encouraging feckless breeders to make a life on benefits, a lifestyle choice.
      At least those nasty Tories are attempting to rectify the damage caused by too many years of labours inept leadership. Again.

      • Pioneer

        “At least those nasty Tories are attempting to rectify the damage”.

        No, the Tories are doing exactly the same.

      • paul Hindley

        There was 100.000 a year coming in under Thatcher, the lib-lab-con, all the same and UKIP is no different if people can be bothered to read their manifesto they will see, if Cameron and co let the on the TV then their no good

      • CO Jones

        On this question, Labour and Tory amount to six of one and half-a-dozen of t’other. It was Labour that opened the gates wide and the Tories who, instead of closing them, opened them even wider.

        Cameron’s “promise” to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands rings rather hollow, now. Unless, of course, he was really talking about ten thousand per week …

  • The Reincarnated Sausage

    I find it amusing that the media is attempting to portray the flooding of Europe with immigrants as some kind of unfortunate accident

    The plan to flood Europe with immigrants from Africa was conceived by one of the founders of Pan European ideology, Count Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhoven Kalergi.

    The idea, worthy of an Orwell or Aldous Huxley novel, was to flood Europe with millions of immigrants and to subjugate and destroy a millennium of European sophistry as culture via ethnic genocide of the caucasian people of Europe.

    It’s such a bizzare story, it was only ever really mentioned on Stormfront type white supremacist websites by frothing loons………….until that is, Merkel and the EU began flooding northern Europe with millions of immigrants and what seemed like a hysterical conspiracy theory has actually started to become reality in the last few years. It also reinforces the view held by myself and many others that Blair, Mandelson and co, were part of this conspiracy to “rub our faces in diversity”

    Pretty terrifying stuff.

    There’s nothing scarier than politicians and elitists “playing God”

    You know there’s trouble ahead when these kinds of ideas come out into the open.

    • red2black

      A mongrel European population of Egyptian appearance ruled by an inbred Jewish elite. (tee hee)

    • mr humphreys

      Well summarized. Infowars uploaded on Youtube a special report on this very subject last week. Kalergi wanted a mixed Eurasian population with equal measure of negro to resemble Egyptians as red2black points out. And as you point out the curse of the Kalergi mummy has come back in the shape of Mutter Merkel and the British version in the form of Labours conspiracy to smash our blonde blue-eyed bloodline (like Isis) and blackball over the Conservative Party (pun intended). If it wasn’t so tragic and treacherous and shameful and evil and disgusting and nasty and swinish and loathsome and shocking and ……….it would be funny, which it is most decidedly, not.

      • The Reincarnated Sausage

        Yes. It is a bloody shocker

        It is the stuff of some nightmarish dystopian novel that would make Huxley and Orwell blush

      • WarriorPrincess111111

        That is the reason why terrorists will never try to take over the UK – it is being run by a destruction team as it is!

      • Mary Ann

        Well I have heard a lot of conspiracy theories but you win the prize.

        • Mike Christie

          Stick around long enough and you’ll hear “theories” that’ll make that one sound calm and reasonable.

    • oliver cromwell

      well my only hope is they like civil war and when it comes the likes of Blair will be on the list

      • WarriorPrincess111111

        Yes, on the front line!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Then traitors like Blair will realise that the only thing between them and the mob is a hated police force (service).

        • EUSSR 4 All!

          Blair wasn’t so much as a traitor. He was put in No. 10 Downing Street by the traitors (such as yourself and your family back in Billingham, in Teesside, no doubt!)

    • WarriorPrincess111111

      You forgot to mention that Merkel was awarded and accepted the medal from the Kalergi Society last year.

      • Jacobi

        wp

      • Jacobi

        Sorry my sarcastic comment to RS entered in the wrong place and can’t get rid of it. ?

    • Hagen vanTronje

      “”It’s such a bizare story, it was only ever really mentioned on
      Stormfront type white supremacist websites by frothing loons””

      But they were absolutely correct !
      These ,’frothing looms’, as you call them seem to have had a much better grasp of reality than those we tasked to serve us !

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        The BNP were right. The EDL were right. Enoch was right.

        • EUSSR 4 All!

          The EDL were secretly controlled by MI5. The BNP were secretly controlled by the Labour Party.

      • mr humphreys

        As an example, I recall Nick Griffin warning about the Muslim rape threat in Bradford in 2004 and being reviled for it by the BBC, the press and the whole establishment.It took another five years for these cover-up specialists to admit the truth about Muslim rape gangs stalking the country.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Łabour importing their own voters was deliberate policy. So when a portion of said immigrants turned out to be child rapists, the politicians, the police, Social Services and the MSM did everything they could downplay, excuse, cover up and generally make it go away. Well, the cat’s out on the bag.

  • Charlie Anderson

    “All this might come as a surprise to Britons who remember residents of
    Munich gathering at the city’s railway station last September to cheer
    newly arrived migrants, shortly after Angela Merkel had announced that
    anyone who made it to Germany would be welcome to stay.”

    It came as no surprise to me, as that event was so clearly an act of stage management. I suspect we all knew deep down what would happen when the state-funded cheerers packed up and went home.

    • Jeff Thompson

      The BBC’s Horse-Faced Resident Cretin, Jenny Hill was wetting herself with excitement, whilst present and reporting that event.

    • Mary Ann

      I suppose the idea that some people might want to give a warm welcome to people fleeing from war is too difficult to grasp, it requires kindness.

      • No Shame

        Except most of them are not fleeing war. Over half are from countries such as Tunisia, Algeria, Morrocco and Egypt.

  • Sjdsgirl

    Speaking from a tourist point of view, a lot of people will remove Europe from their bucket list if its a) not safe to travel due to hoards of “migrants”, b) loses its culture if blended with “migrant” culture, and c) becomes overcrowded with Muslims who don’t integrate. Think of your tourism, Europe, if you can’t even think of your own people and culture.

  • Sue Smith

    You keep saying this, Spectator, but the fact is there is no longer a discernible Europe. It’s game over and now Europe is in damage control and ‘containment’.

    • Mary Ann

      Sorry, what are you talking about.

  • oliver cromwell

    well the EU want us all to be the same walk around in grey suits no culture just sleep waking brain dead
    people they can do what they like with I for one what to leave but hope if the vote to stay the EU
    goes under

  • Mitzi

    All these men, who if they had the guts would be fighting for their own countries, should be turned around and sent back home. What kind of people are they to leave women and children at the mercy of the vile group ISIS. Europe simply does not want them, or need them. Europe cannot absorb these people any more and those who have illegally entered should be deported. If we had leaders who knew what they were doing we would not be so worried.

    • Mary Ann

      So which war lord are they to fight for? Syria, fight for Assad or Daesh, what a choice. It is the same sort of situation in parts of Africa, one war lord or another.

    • steddyneddy

      These men are just the vanguard. The rest of the family will follow later.

  • WarriorPrincess111111

    Europe was to become a union to prevent wars between the member countries! There has never been more unrest, more violence, more despair, more poverty and a greater threat to peace than there is now. The EU commission has become a monster in more ways than one. It was not satisfied to oversee just European countries – it had to expand until it was impossible for it to cope. They employ an ever growing number of administrators, who are paid huge salaries from the sweat of workers backs – and for what? The EU does not publish how many employees it has, it does not publish the figures of money it deals with – its activities are kept secret from the people.

    The migrants did not all just decide to up and move! They were invited to come over to Europe after talks held by the EU, to discuss trade with their even further afield countries. The EU did not expect such great numbers and have been caught out yet again in one of their foolish activities.
    The UK is not prepared to act as a face saving nation just to satisfy the EU’s needs! They made the error – let them clear it up. What is clear is that we do not want any more immigrants into the UK and unless the situation is sorted very quickly it is likely that the UK will become more dangerous for the refugees than their own countries.

    We do not need clowns to decide that we should all live in a completely unnatural multi cultural world. There were many warring nations for years until after many centuries people settled into comfortable environments where they were among like people, who formed their own history, beliefs, languages and their own economies that were sourced from their own countries resources.
    That is – until some idiots decided to rewrite history!

    • Jacobi

      Princess, I will certainly vote to stay in the EU, and Europe of course. To do otherwise is just daft and un- British.
      Wellington on the eve of Waterloo did not say, “sod the buggers, I’m off home” . Rather he stayed and sorted them out. Then it was the French, now it is again the Prussians, and Muslims of course!

      ps how is Colchester these days, recovered a bit I see from the Telly this evening?

      • mr humphreys

        Okay clever clogs so how does staying in and losing our borders and racial identity square with Nelson’s “England expects every man to do his duty” To me that’s Tommy Robinson and Paul Golding all over. But you say the Regency Brits were pension seeking Eurocrats before their time. Wellington was such a traitor, was he? You seem to forget, Britain was a collectivity of nation states in 1814.

        • Jacobi

          Not clever, h, just logical.
          We will not lose our border in or out.
          We might lose our culture, in or out, that is another matter. And we will do unless we confront Islam. There is the danger.
          Right now that danger is growing, but not from the EU. It is from legal immigration from the sub-continent and beyond. A sorted-out Europe will be essential in this great coming struggle. We need sorted-out allies in the EU and in Russia, not a bunch of confused ditherers.
          And what are you going on about saying that Wellington was a traitor for. You alright? We were a collection of nations in 1814, correct. There were English to help us out for instance. Major Sharpe and the South Essex Rifles or something
          You haven’t trade in your pension I trust?

          • Mary Ann

            If our culture is good, we won’t lose it.

          • Jacobi

            If they are strong enough, we may not have any choice. Do you really want things and casualties to get to that stage?

          • Robbydot1

            What’s good got to do with it? When we are out bred by Islamists their ‘good’ is what will count!

          • Lindum

            That’s a bit optimistic isn’t it? So your assertion is that the Christian culture of the Middle East and much of W Asia was bad as it was wiped out by 11th century Islam? Or that the culture of the North American Indians was bad, hence why it wiped out?
            The good guys don’t always win; real life isn’t Hollywood.

        • Mary Ann

          European migration is predominately white Christian, we get our Muslims from the Middle East and the Commonwealth, Cameron has refused to take any refugees from Europe. As for racial identity, it is the low birth rate, well below the replacement rate, among us that will lead to our downfall, not the ‘invaders’

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            So many aspects of Islam are incompatible with Western Europe. Halal, Sharia, polygamy, aversion to dogs, pigs, alcoholic beverage, attitude to women. Genetical mutilation …. Hold the phone, that would include Jews.

  • Anglo Saxon

    If we got rid of the elderly, infirm and low intellect we would have enough money to support Camerons vision of a united Europe…….wait a minute – isn’t that what the Nazis tried to do?
    Didn’t work then either.

  • Anglo Saxon

    If we got rid of the elderly, infirm and low intellect we would have enough money to support Camerons vision of a united Europe…….wait a minute – isn’t that what the Nazis tried to do?
    Didn’t work then either.

    • Mary Ann

      The EU is more likely to look after them than Cameron is.

  • Georgina Kerr

    There is not ‘sorting out Europe’… its OUT now, or we will all live to seriously regret it. Everyone went into panic mode when we did not take up the Euro.. just like now, but we thrived. Best move ever! There is no way ‘London’ is going to sink into oblivion being outside of ‘Europe’.. it is Europe that will sink further without London/UK.

    • MP

      Ruth Lea and Neil Woodford reckon Britain thrives after Brexit. I believe them.

    • Mary Ann

      And now the Euro is falling against the pound. doh

  • Treaclebeak

    This is all very amusing, in a grotesque kind of way. I can remember only last year assorted Eurocrats lecturing other nations on their refugee policies. Now it’s closed borders, soon you ‘Europeans’ will be towing refugee boats back to Turkey or a perhaps abandoning Greece.
    Oh btw, the U.K. will never vote to leave the EU.

    • Mary Ann

      Greece didn’t invite all these refugees over, for other countries not to take some of them is selfish beyond belief, but they do need to get them sorted and send back those that are not genuine.

      • Bonkim

        I would have said – for the Germans to run sealed trains from Athens to Berlin would have helped.

        If that was not acceptable a new EU border force equipped with harpoons to sink the inflatables trying to land in Greece and Italy outside the EU’s territorial waters. And yes – keep the BBC from reporting and making sob-stories about human suffering on the High Seas – very irresponsible people venturing without travel insurance coming to grief. Not EU’s problem.

    • johnb1945

      May I ask where you are writing from?

      It isn’t that funny. Not unless you think setting a match to the globe then sitting back while it burns is your idea of amusement.

      And I think a “leave” vote is a realistic prospect.

  • Anglo Saxon

    The referendum is irrelevant, slippery Dave has it fixed before the voting has even started-all a waste of paper and time. He could teach Blair a thing or two about spin.

  • AdrianM

    If you need proof of this, take a look at the near future:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35687257

  • johnb1945

    Yeah, an interesting take but I don’t doubt for one moment that there will be an EU.

    It is possible that that the ideological drive for a superstate may evaporate.

    At some stage the centrist political parties who drive deeper integration are going to directly address the rise of the Euro Sceptics.
    And they will do it through policy, probably by becoming less integrationist.

    This may result in a Europe almost all of us would wish to be part of, the irony being that we may have departed!

  • adamant

    “feeding extremist politics” – when the main stream politics has brought us to this madness and is impotent, stupid or promoting it then are the people “extremist” to want it dealt with? To want effective border control put in place and defend the nation state is not “extremist politics”.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Migrant crisis; early days yet, but this is shaping up to be the blunder of the century.

    • Jacobi

      Correct! keep that smile going Jack you’ll need it.

  • Bonkim

    Survival of the fittest and elimination of the weak hearted.

  • Tom

    Is it me or has the migration problem in Europe turned into the next episode of the Walking Dead? Migrants going where they want no respect for local laws and turning violent when they are forced to follow local laws, Basically a heard moving in destroying anything in site then moving on.

    • mr humphreys

      The Return of the Night of the Living Dead. Don’t worry about reforming the manners of these Muslim zombies. A clean bullet in the brain will fix them.

  • Jacobi

    Good for Sturgeon. Talking sense at last in her little speech in London today reported on the Telly.

    She would no doubt agree with my view that to vote to come out of the EU, is just daft!

    I normally can’t stand the nats, but she appears to take my view that we must look to the Wellington example and stay to sort them, Merkel et al, out and this is best done from within, not by running away to wherever!

    Still can’t stand the nats however!

    • Basil Fotherington-Thomas

      Because the EU has always listened to the British ..

      • Jacobi

        Point 1. We are dealing with Europe from which we are separated by twenty miles of recent water – not just the EU.
        2. They will not, either of them, listen to us if we scarper, run away, bury our heads in the sand or however you wish to put it.
        3. The E U and others such as Macedonia already know the shambolic mess that Merkel has got them into. Poor Macedonia is trying walls but walls in this case do not work.
        4. What will work is humane arrest, internment, and return.
        5. That is an enormous logistics problem which need a “Wellintonian” , sort them out approach and the quicker we Brits get in there and do that, the better!

    • mr humphreys

      I must say I’m very sceptical about this idea that there is this newfound will to stay in Europe and reform it from within. You and Nicola Sturgeon must be clutching at jack straws. I have heard David Cameron being compared with many historic figures recently and all of them abject failures. But you say he’s the Duke of Wellington. More like Napoleon in the Battle of Waterloo. We’ll find out very soon. Let the referendum decide.

      • Jacobi

        You may be right. What else is there to clutch at. We are in a desperate situation. People have just not yet woken up to how desperate. The enormously increased flood of Islam into Europe we will see this coming summer might just do it but I suspect the Islamophile “luvvies” will profit more.
        Running away is just not an option, however the irrelevant referendum goes.
        And h, please don’t classify me with Sturgeon. I am a Brit form that integral part of the UK, integral since 1707, which is known as Scotland otherwise I might get a bit peeved and lapse into my native dialect in which case our conversation will end since I don’t think you will understand exactly what I am saying about you.

        • mr humphreys

          Sorry, if I was a bit rude, before. I’ve always been a bit on the abrasive side for English and Scots tastes. I think I picked it up from the immigrants when I was growing up. It’s a defence/attack mechanism. Thank you for seeing through that and seeing that I still had a point. Well done, sir.

          • Jacobi

            Orrabest!

  • plainsdrifter

    The current situation is unsustainable. If that is producing extremism, Brussels has only itself to blame.

  • Augustus

    Instead of worrying about parties like the AFD, who represent the justified anxiety of millions of Germans, politically correct parties should be more concerned about the attitudes of millions of migrants towards the freedoms that the West has fought and died for. Take a look at what the Koran says about the infidel, and how Sharia law treats non-Muslims, instead of railing against people who recognize what’s happening to Europe.

  • kaygeebee

    The cold and hard truth is that the vast majority of the so called “refugees” aren’t really refugees, since most have “fled” via several safe and non-ISIS countries to reach the ressort, uh, I mean safe haven of their choosing.
    Then there’s the fact that the majority has no real education or qualifications to speak of, can’t speak any languages except maybe Arabic, are often illiterate and stem from backwater hellhole countries where a payphone is considered high tech. So the chances of integrating them into a highly specialized workplace where qualifications, degrees, technical skills and languages are key, is virtually nonexistent. The vast majority will never work, will be reliant on welfare and I wouldn’t be surprised if most actually prefer it that way. Free money for no work and no obligations to speak of, except the occasional seminar, which is paid in full? I’d risk my child’s life on a rowboat on the high seas for that as well!
    Thousands have died trying to reach the EU and I’m honestly not even considering to place the blame on anyone except Angela Merkel, chancellor and quasi one-party dictator of Germany. Her invitation from the previous year has inspired millions of people to pack up and sell all their belongings to get to the EU, since the borders to the promised land of free money, free healthcare and blonde virgins free to rape without consequences are now open and her stubbornness forbids her from trying to at least consider putting the lid back on Pandora’s Box.

    • Lindum

      The danger for Western societies too, is that a large number of Moslems will lead to a faster growth of populations that already refuse to integrate, and are increasingly in favour of their laws over those of the locals.

      • S. Richard

        You’re right unfortunately. We can’t just through people together from over 20 different countries and expect them to work together to build a new life. Radical cultures from thousands of years, won’t give up their philosophies and their perceived rights. In addition,they have no desire to assimilate and many have become angry that more has not been done for them more quickly. Anger and disrespect for others is is seething in these populations. What no hot showers, wait in line for food etc. etc. I think when we build this country we had to be hungry, cold, hunt and plant and learn to get along with one another. We already did that, we have all contributed to the success of our country. Wee didn’t come here and wait in a line demanding that someone take care of us due to our unfortunate circumstances. Life is not a hand out when things get tough. Laws ad respect for others and hard work must prevail. Spend mooney on services in the countries that support the refugees traditions. We are not nation buiders. We need to protect what we have build Why should we risk losing the life we have all worked hard for. Let us spend our time and money rebuilding our inner cities, protecting our women and children from povert, drugs and gang violence. Charity starts at home. Protect our most precious natural resource. The country we all built together. Do we have to be looked at as a person who is a racists because we love our country and want to protect it. I am proud to be american, have worked all my life and always had my hand out to help my fellow man. But we are assimilated and must remain that way. Years ago americans would describe our country as one “Big Melting Pot” that is all different nationalities united for a common cause, FREEDOM. I have not heard that term since I was a child.No, we are no longer a melting pot and are headed towards becoming the second Europe. Wake up, help refugees near their homelands. We can all be brothers, but all need or own space and to respect that.

  • itsthepatriarchy

    “When are you people gonna wake up?”

    — Harry Callahan (Dirty Harry)

  • F22ERaptor

    The article states that “Many, perhaps most, may turn out to be an asset to European economies.”
    How can they be? They are uneducated, don’t speak english and have no skills. And even if they did, how would they compare to Europe’s workforce? The Middle East is not centre in the lead of Educational institutions, nor is it a place for the centre of industry and R&D. These migrants bring NO value to Europe. They are simply looking to take what Europe built for itself. Most are men who are too cowardly to fight for their own country.
    Once they reach the first safe country, they cease being refugees and from then on become economic opportunists.

    People of Europe are under no obligation to help nor to integrate them. We wish to invest in our people and children, not the migrants. They are not part of the west and if we don’t want them, we have a right to reject them.

  • Joseph Gates

    If the EU and its people donot denounce it’s politically correct, liberal approach to the migrants and refugees and put an end to this mass migration it will most certainly be to their demise. Islam is a theocracy that cannot co-exist within a republic or a democracy, impossible. If current immigration trends continue Islam will conquer Europe by shear numbers. When this happens It will be way too late to return to democratic societies. Europe will then be ruled by oppressive Sharia Law. Multiculturalism and assimilation does not and will not work with Islam. You need only look at the no go zones within Muslim enclaves throughout England and France, countries where the Muslim population is 5 and 7 percent to see how this will be an existential problem when their numbers grow larger. Wake up Europe from your multicultural dream and send each and every Muslim back to their countries of origin. Your countries are led by cowardice fools who are leading you to eventual slaughter. You are being told that they will provide an asset to Europe economically. How can this be so when they are given taxpayer provided welfare wherever they decide to go within Europe. If they really need help and support give it to them within their own countries or safe zones within the Middle East. Looking at what is unfolding is surreal, however the reality is if political correctness is not cast to the wayside along with stronger, logical thinking leaders taking charge Europe will be doomed.

  • Still Me

    Seriously, what a biased article. Do “journalists” no longer have any self-respect?

  • Marine Vet

    What is “extremist” about people who are responding to a real and growing crisis. Perhaps they should be called “rationalists”!

  • Tim

    I honestly believe we are not being told the Truth ! Cameron’s got it in for Boris and Boris has it in for Cameron.
    If we stayed within Europe , will the Uk be stronger than the Germans , will we be able to dictate to the EU ?
    This will affect generations ahead of us.

    It’s all a bit of a Whitehall arguement !

  • F. Chips

    Hi. Why is it that politics and power have to be put before compassion and care?

    – Christians being targeted by extremists in Syria require help.
    – Other religious minorities killed or sent packing by ISIS require help.
    – Muslims escaping civil war, ISIL, and their age-old Sharia Law require help.
    – Refugees spreading from Calais, to Greece, to Turkey require help, and in other places, require help.
    – The Church and it religious members in the Middle East require help.
    – Aid workers helping all these people require help.
    – Hostages require help.
    – Making up a large percentage of these people suffering are woman, children and vulnerable people, who have nothing and are completely dependent on the generosity of others to survive, and so require help.
    – A portion of these women have more than one child and will have to find food, shelter and safety on a daily basis for all of their family, and so require help.
    – A portion of these women will have a child who is sick and will have to find food, shelter, safety, and medical aid, and so require help.
    – A portion of these women will be pregnant and so require help.
    – Amongst this number are many children who cannot fend for themselves and so require help.
    – Many of these people will have dead relatives, maybe mothers, fathers or children, who were killed in Syria or en-route to relative safety, and so require help.
    – For those who return to Syria when this ordeal is over, will have to try and find and bury dead relatives and friends, and find a way to restore their lives back to some level of sanity, and so require help.
    – Many of these people’s homes, places of worship, places they grew up with and had memories of, will have been destroyed, and so require help.
    – Many of these people, children included, will have psychological scars from having witnessed scenes that many in the West will never have to witness, and so require help.
    – A percentage of these suffering people will be severely wounded or injured and so require help.

    – All of these people will remember the help they receive, and who helped them, and if they receive any help, it will have been this compassion that brought hope to their seemingly lost situation.

    Thanks.

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