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To survive as a Tory teacher, you have to keep quiet

I thought it was part of our job to promote tolerance and challenge orthodoxy. I was wrong

6 February 2016

9:00 AM

6 February 2016

9:00 AM

According to my former colleagues, history teachers in an urban English state school, anyone who votes for the Conservative party is ‘thick’, the British Empire was ‘unambiguously evil’ and capitalism leads to ‘mass inequality and misery for the vast majority of working people’. The only answer was, you guessed it, socialism. Yes, the cliché of the Little Red Book-carrying schoolteacher is alive and well.

As the only right-of-centre teacher in the history department, I found lunchtime particularly galling. My colleagues would sit around denouncing the British empire, Michael Gove’s changes to the national curriculum and the government’s ‘ideologically driven’ attempts to cut the nation’s deficit. But what worried me more was their willingness to indoctrinate their pupils with the same world-view. On one occasion, I overheard three of them discussing the delivery of a unit provocatively titled ‘Should we be proud of the British empire?’ As you can probably imagine, there was one answer they considered right: ‘No! We should be ashamed. Look at Amritsar, what we did to the Native American Indians and our involvement in the Middle East,’ said one, shaking his head.

In history class, pupils discussed a litany of British atrocities, from forcing widespread opium addiction upon a benighted, infantilised Chinese population to massacres in India and Africa and ethnic cleansing in North America and Australia. There was only one task asking pupils to consider the question: ‘How did the British Empire improve lives?’ and this was homework. There was no classroom discussion about the spread of capitalism, parliamentary democracy and the rule of law; the propagation of ideas, literature, technological and medical advances; or even the abolition of the slave trade.

Mostly, on this subject, I held my tongue. I was a supply teacher on a zero-hours contract and was worried about being sacked.

If only I had stuck to this resolution. After keeping schtum for two months, I finally challenged a colleague’s view of the Tories. ‘Why are Tory voters thick?’ I asked. ‘Is it just because they happen to disagree with you?’

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‘No,’ he replied. ‘Because they voted for cuts’.

‘Perhaps they saw the cuts as necessary,’ I said. ‘Surely it’s better to make savings now, rather than keep spending money we don’t have, go bankrupt and, like the Labour government of 1976, be forced to make even deeper cuts after going cap in hand to the IMF.’

‘That’s rubbish!’ said another colleague. And so it continued, though no one actually raised their voices, until they brushed off my argument with a blasé ‘yeah, yeah, yeah’ before gesturing towards the office door as if dismissing a recalcitrant child.

Two days later, I defended the new national curriculum and the government’s commitment to traditional teaching methods against the head of department’s venomous and sustained criticism.

I said, we do too much for the children we teach; we should give them more responsibility and more freedom to think independently. She said: ‘I don’t want to talk to you any more!’ Before leaving — I had to go to my lesson — I asked why she was being so rude. ‘It’s only a debate,’ I said. ‘Isn’t it a good idea to listen to the views of others, even if you find them hard to stomach?’

My answer came on Friday — two days later. I was called into the head’s office and told that, after a complaint from colleagues in my department, the school would no longer require my services. So I was effectively being dismissed for holding the wrong views, though of course the head dressed it up in a different garb: it was my manner rather than my opinions. Apparently I was ‘too assertive’.

As I remember it, my interlocutors were both red-faced and angry, and more than willing to use inflammatory language. I was told, at one point, that I was unfit to teach.

Interestingly, the head of department who refused to work with me — effectively calling for my dismissal — had several weeks previously decried the cruelty of zero-hours contracts. Where was her left-wing compassion when it came to sacking me, a married man with two children to support?

I suppose I’ve only got myself to blame. For a brief moment, I deluded myself into believing that schools actually encouraged tolerance and the questioning of orthodoxies through intellectual exploration, freedom of thought and speech. How silly of me.

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  • vieuxceps2

    I am unsurprised to read this. Any teacher I have spoken to assumes that only leftwing thinking is obviously correct but also the only one to be allowed. I believe that the cultural marxists view education as a prime point for “entryism” and have qietly taken over the Teacher Training Colleges in order to send their ,perhaps unthinking, missionaries out on indoctrination duty.

    • Mr B J Mann

      Quietly?!

      Decades ago some leading teacher training bint (I wish I could remember her name and track down a reference) announced at a teacher training conference that the left didn’t need a revolution because it totally controlled the teaching of the next generation!

      It.s not that they are going about it quietly – just look at any teachers union conference – but that society chose to turn a deaf ear to it!

      • vieuxceps2

        Society still turns a deaf’un. What’s to be done?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Yup, society wants kid educated. So sorry.

          • vieuxceps2

            No, society wants kids educated. Not happening ,is it?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you didn’t read my post!

          • Jingleballix

            Wolfeson……..I have to say, you’re one of the biggest knobs I’ve ever come across.

      • johnb1945

        If this happened decades ago, then their entryism hasn’t worked, has it?

        Most people flirt with left wing ideals up to the age of about 18, maybe 22 if they go to university, then undergo an adjustment as the reality of life dawns.

        The public sector is an anomaly. People of university calibre enter it because in return for a small sacrifice in earning prospects they can have a comfortable job with a tidy pension which is almost impossible to be sacked from.

        Consequently they never undergo this adjustment.

        • Mr B J Mann

          But how big is the public sector?

          And how influential the media?

          And how many of our politicians, even in their 40s, even in their 60s, are at least “liberal”, in not left wing, even in the “Conservatives”?!

          And even businessmen?

          From Sugar to Soros?

          And it would appear ALL the Internet geeks and entrepreneurs?!

          And as for academia and schools.

          They call them formative years for a reason.

          An how many people are actually exposed to life in the commercial jungle these days?!

          So how will they ever learn that money doesn’t grow on tres?

          When for them I does!

          And how will they ever hear the truth:

          When increasingly it’s not just unacceptable, not just illegal to speak it, but illegal NOT to publish the OPPOSITE of the PC dogma (NI bakers anyone?!)!!!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, you’re for child labour, clearly, right.

            As you deny we have a fiat currency.
            And no, what’s illegal is preaching hate and practicing discrimination in businesses.

            Why do you want the right to refuse business to Irish and Jews, for example?

          • Mr B J Mann

            You’ve flipped again.

            What do you take that gives you such irrational hallucinations?!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I don’t have your issues, you’re projecting.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Euwwwww, nutty noeL nosefloW just sprayed me!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Your other personality “sprayed” you?
            Oh, you sneezed.

            You’re a drama queen.

          • Mr B J Mann

            I’m projecting?!?!

            You could run a multiplex cinema all on your own!!!!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You have some very strange fantasies, Ms. Mann.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Well, it’s becoming increasingly obvious what you fantasise about going to bed with!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, so you think your fantasies about what I fantasise…in other words, Ms. Mann, you’re making up hate crap.

          • DeltaNaught

            Have you ever posted a response that isn’t a non-sequitur?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Have you ever bothered reading any of my posts, ever?

          • Brian Jones

            I have and I’ve never read such constantly idiotic rubbish in my life. Get from behind your keyboard and go out and see the real world.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, so you haven’t, Mr. High Crime, as you demand I abandon facts for seeing your “real world”, where you blame everyone else.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, so you have no idea about the average age of the left….

          As you hate on the left, for taking jobs which pay well under what they could get with the same qualifications in the private sector, right. Oh, and it’s suffered a far bigger % job loss.

          • johnb1945

            No I don’t hate the left.
            We need all sorts in a democracy, and a healthy left is important.

            I believe the Left is becoming unhealthy. More reactionary, and more extreme.

            This is based purely on personal experience of interaction with members of the Labour party (who voted in Corbyn) and SNP.

            They have an agenda driven purely by hatred of their bete noires – the “undeserving rich”, bankers, capitalists and the Tories in particular. They categorise anyone who criticises Islam as a racist, likewise anyone who questions multi-culturalism. They also obsess over Israel, which they imagine is the source of all evil in the world.

            They are also convinced. There’s no concept of calling things as you see them or asking whether there is a reason other people view the world differently from them. People who do are just ignorant, parochial or evil.

            Of course the extreme right is also reactionary and ideological, but at this moment they remain an extreme, whereas erstwhile extreme left wing views are becoming more mainstream within the labour movement and its offshoots such as the SNP.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes yes, you hate the left, I hear you, based entirely on your personal prejudice as Labour returns to the left for the first time since Blair took the helm.

            You are projecting onto lots of people, in a very PC way. As you ignore the very real issues caused by capitalist groups, and then you wonder why your thought crime theory isn’t well recieved when you hate on all Muslims. Then you make up utter nonsense – the vast majority of the left are pro-Israel.

            (Tip – I’m Jewish. You want to look at fringe groups like Left Unity and Respect for anti-Jewish values!)

            Thanks, Mr. Parochial, as you condemn any leftist thought. Again.

          • johnb1945

            Once again, I don’t hate the left.

            The fact you think my disagreement with their current trajectory is purely down to hatred and prejudice is, ironically, a perfect distillation of the problem. You simply cannot conceive that my opinions could be informed by anything except self interest, ignorance, mean-spiritedness, hatred and prejudice.

            And who says I agree with the excesses of capitalism and neoliberalism? I don’t. I just don’t think the hypocritical piety of the left is the answer.

            In regard to Israel, I have seen and heard what mainstream labour and SNP voters say. It is a genocidal apartheid state and this quickly degenerates into tropes about the ‘Jewish lobby’ and the Rothschilds. Who is behind support for BDS? Who asserts De facto bans on pro Israel speakers at universities?

            I don’t mind criticism of Israel one bit, but please, let’s hear both sides of the argument.

            This is the problem. If the left disagree with you, then they will try to shut you down with protest and smears. It’s horrible, undemocratic anti free speech.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you deny your posts. As you say that facts are the issue – as you list out your reasoning, indeed.

            Of course you agree that capitalism and neoliberalism, in your hypocritical piety, are not strong enough, etc.

            And you said “It is a genocidal apartheid state”, YOU. You’re trying to blame people who don’t, trying to take a fringe and paint them as mainstream. As you whine about debate, in your desire to end free speech and give your platform special privileges, to be above discussion…

          • johnb1945

            Leon I do not hate the left.

            In some ways I admire their ideals. I just think they are impractical.

            As for antisemitism, I have heard it. I have heard left wing activists talk about ‘the Jewish lobby’ in America or even refer disparagingly to ‘zionists’. This is antisemitic. ‘The Jewish lobby’ is suggestive of some organised and powerful body of Jews working against universal interests – i.e. the oldest antisemitic slur going.

            And anyone who believes Israel has a right to exist in any form is some kind of zionist, so that includes me, but these people don’t mean me when they say ‘zionist’, they mean ‘Jews’. Specially powerful Jews in the supposed Jewish lobby.

            I know left wing people and have heard them say these things!

            I am not making it up or lying to you!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you do hate the left, hate democracy and project from the far right onto the mainstream left.

            “And anyone who believes Israel has a right to exist in any form is some kind of zionist, so that includes me”

            No. Zionism is a particular historical and political movement.

            And I know some far right wing people who have praised Brevik. Your argument is they represent every single last far right person, no matter how moderate, is automatically a supporter of Brevik. You’re preaching PC collectivism!

          • johnb1945

            I think you are trolling.

            Zionism is a belief Jews should have a homeland in Israel. There are liberal forms, secular forms, Jewish iterations and Christian also.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you don’t think, I hear you.
            As you ignore what Zionism is.

          • johnb1945

            Well, go on then, please tell me what Zionism is.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            At this stage? Hahaha.

          • johnb1945

            Oh, and ‘Israel is an apartheid state committing genocide’ is a a quote from a left wing councillor I personally know made to a room full of people, not one of whom challenged her.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so of course you 100% agree with Brevik’s manifest under that thought crime theory.

            And why were you infiltrating there anyway? Why didn’t you challenge it? (rhetorical question, the reason’s quite obvious)

          • johnb1945

            I did challenge it.

            It was an open meeting. Trying to get the council to join BDS.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            See!

          • johnb1945

            “See” what?

            Please explain.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            LMAO!

          • Bram

            Behold the hermetically closed mind. This is not leftism, let alone progressive thought. This is the robotic regurgitating of Gruaniad clichés to the point of tedium. And that was precisely the point hat johnb1945 adressed in his post. Predictably, you stubbornly, deliberately, categorically, insistently and constantly refused to address these points and when called on it played the tediously predictable “deliberately obtuse” card. Discussing with closed minds, which is basically everyone steeped in today’s identity politics and political correctness, both not born from original thought and as remote from progressive causes as they can possibly be, is manifestly a complete waste of time.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, thanks for talking about your ” hermetically closed mind, Neil.

            As you spam on, and claim you’re from the Gruaniad. As you blame me for your posts, and whine about those tedious facts which are your enemies. You, as you noted before admit the issues of trying to debate with you and your personalities, as
            you call yourself a “monstrous mentality”, in your capitalist frenzy.

            Your hate too for discussion and democracy, PC bigot as you admit yourself to be…

        • dramocles

          The only phrase in your post I disagree with is “a small sacrifice in earning prospects”. Many years ago this would have been true. Not any more.

    • Andrew Cole

      No problem though. I like there being so many shy tories. Means the Beeb and the John Snow channel will always not realise how far behind their latest messiah is.

      It also gives me hope that any percentage the leave campaign is given can be topped up with some who are afraid to air their opinion.

      • Todd Unctious

        You left the end off shyster.

        • Andrew Cole

          Ha, ha. I may be an Aspie but I am a full on open Tory. So I would be one of those shysters I suppose. fine by me as long as stuff gets done. Problem at the minute is that even the Tories seem to have taken on the policy of trying to please everyone rather than get their heads down and do what they should be doing.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, so which lot’s next up to be on the street?

          • Andrew Cole

            What street would that be

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, you’re for privatizing them as well?

    • Leon Wolfeson

      So based on your fantasies…right.

      Do the marxists in your head worship Xenu?

    • Maureen Fisher

      I remember a particularly stupid person from the equivalent of OFSTED back in the seventies who pronounced that correcting children’s spellings was no longer necessary. It appears employers didn’t agree with her.

      • Brian Jones

        Could that be because most employers are Tories who want workers who have a good grasp of English?

  • Teacherwhoknows

    What a politically driven piece of utter drivel!

    I once overheard a tesco worker calling for nuclear war with Afghanistan…can you believe that ALL shop workers are murder loving maniacs?! It’s stupid! One persons anecdotal story, written appallingly, does nothing to prove anything. It is merely more anti-teacher propaganda, from a publication that clearly has never been near a school in the last ten years.

    How do I know it’s completely made up? Teachers do not get into any staff room nowadays! There is no time! Those conversations do not take place and there is no such thing as a zero hours contract in education! There is supply teaching (usually only those who are not good enough to secure a full time contract or just don’t want one) but that is NOT a zero hours contract. This whole piece is a work of utter fiction.

    It is LIES.

    • KingEric

      Really? I know several teachers and they often mention chats with colleagues in the staff room. They are also all, without exception liberal to left of centre. You slam the story for being one person’s anecdotal story and just replace it with your own.

    • rbw152

      Lies? What bollocks. You should come to a school in Brighton. They’re so insufferably ‘right-on’ and left-wing my son comes home demoralised by the political bias that some of his teachers are absolutely unashamed to display.

      I mean, what’s clapping and cheering a pupil who denounced the Tories after the election during a class discussion? I’d call that bias wouldn’t you?

      Or allowing a young female pupil to use the phrase ‘Tory scum’ without challenge? Is that not bias?

      I can’t speak for the staff room but naked political bias is certainly on display in the classroom and that’s enough for me!

      The trouble with the left is that they don’t see their views as ‘biased’, only ‘sensible’. They are so embedded with their own political prejudice they simply cannot see that there are other, quite valid, points of view. They simply have no idea they are biased at all and look upon right-wing views as either thick, uncaring or nasty – take your pick.

      Well personally, I think left-leaning people are wilfully ignorant of details, which is why they don’t like debating issues and reduce every political issue to slogans.

      Perhaps if subjects like economics were a part of the curriculum, for all pupils, the teachers may learn a thing or two as well!

    • CharleyFarleyFive

      No, it most definitely is not lies or even if it is it chimes with my experience as a school governor. Teachers are overwhelmingly socialists, they espouse socialists views as if they are an axiom and they do not appreciate anyone who dares to think otherwise.

    • WJB

      I never normally point out grammatical or spelling mistakes in posts. Generally, it’s the last bastion of someone with no decent argument left.

      However, since you said that the above article is “written appallingly”, I should at least throw back the same accusation at your own blustering post. “One persons anecdotal story”, for instance. People in glass houses and all that.

      If you are indeed a teacher, I do hope you’re not teaching my children with such atrocious written English, not to mention such a typically closed-minded approach to argument and discourse.

      Perhaps your username should be “teacherwhoknowsf@ckall”.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      You can assert it’s all “LIES” (why the caps?) ’til you’re blue in the face, but the writer’s experience – though worse – echoes my own very closely. I always got on with my colleagues in teaching (1980s – late ’90s), even the Lefty ones, but it was very much the case that a disproportionately large number of them held views ranging from far Left, to Leftish social democrat. Tories were thin on the ground. Unlike myself, many or most of them had no experience of working in commerce or industry: they’d gone from university into teaching. Their views of the wreal world of enterprise and wealth creation were naive at best, and pernicious at worst. Their opinions about the late unlamented USSR centred on its having been much maligned, and the vistim of wicked machinations by Uncle Sam. Their views about the British Empire were as described by the writer above.
      Yup, teaching has too many Lefties for the good of the country. You might be one of them.

    • FriendlyFire

      It’s an anecdote which illustrates a general truth about attitudes and beliefs amongst the teaching profession. As someone who has taught in schools it rings true to me.

      And I think you know this – hence your strong reaction to it being so beautifully identified.

      Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

    • Freddythreepwood

      ‘Teachers do not get into any staff room nowadays! There is no time.’

      Nonsense! They have plenty of time to march behind their ‘Socialist Worker’ banners.

    • Enoch Powell

      Is there a reason you are shouting or is there something up your butt?

      • Todd Unctious

        He is probably hoping to get through to the cloth eared, like you.

        • Enoch Powell

          Look, I know this may come as a shock to you, but most of us normal people aren’t trying to read the internet with our ears. I mean, I feel sorry for whatever genetic affliction you’ve been struck with, but really, modern medicine can do wonders nowadays. You don’t have to go down the same road as John Merrick.

          Whatever treatment they can offer you however, I’m afraid that there’s no cure for being called Todd.

    • seangrainger

      It wouldn’t be N war of course as they don’t have the N capability but there is a very good case to be made for nuking Afghanistan and indeed Saudi.

      • Brian Jones

        Because of course nuking only kills the bad guys not the millions of innocents , besides Jeremy wouldn’t let us.

  • englishwhisky

    Some years ago I was in a seaside town, and suddenly a stream of eccentrically dressed males and females descended on the town, aiming for the pubs. Typical male garb being wild hair, scruffy beards, tatty tweed jackets, a Wallace and Gromitt vest, shapeless trousers, too long and too loose, woolly socks, and sandles (It was a hot day in summer after all!). “What is going on?” I wondered, and then it dawned, the NUT Conference was being held in town. How any student could be inspired or respect that rag-tag crew was beyond me.

    • HJ777

      To be fair, the type of teacher who attends the NUT conference is hardly likely to be typical of the occupation.

      • Todd Unctious

        To be fair the profession will not attract the best candidates with starting pay of £24,000.

        • HJ777

          That’s a competitive starting salary – although it depends on what subject you studied at degree level.

          • Todd Unctious

            I agree. If you studied say Economics or Media studies you would deserve a much lower rate of pay.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Psst, media degrees tend to be high-earning ones.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Hahahahahahah, so now we know what you teach at community college.

            Media degrees, at best, get you an unpaid internship running around with a camera from Dixons!

            Otherwise you make “professional” looking selfies in the mcDonalds staffroom!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So your personalities are whittering away due to your fantasies. Right.
            As you confuse Britain and America.

            Thanks for talking about what you do though, McD’s staffer Mann.

      • englishwhisky

        Are you telling me that teachers elect representatives who are not typical of the occupation? Why would they do that?

        • Todd Unctious

          Voters elect MPs. Nuff said.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Some with more than one vote. Tower hamlets, Bradford etc etc

        • Ooh!MePurse!

          Because the leaders of the teacher unions are a self selecting clique. Most of us are far too busy and sensible to take any notice of them. The only union rep that I know anything about has caused her school no end of problems with her unreasonable behaviour (e.g. refusing to supervise pupils during sports day because it’s not specifically written in her contract. She’s PE teacher!).

          • englishwhisky

            You should be sensible in that case, and do something about her! Thank God I ditched the fiancee before I married her, many years ago, who became an NUT rep!

          • Ooh!MePurse!

            She doesn’t work in the school in which I work. I’m not sure what I can do about it. I’m not a member of the NUT, I’m a member of Voice, the only teacher association with a no strike policy.

          • whereami

            Was she also a fat, chocolate brownie munching monster?
            I ask after an encounter whilst walking the dog. I live in an area where kids yomp about doing their Duke of Edinburgh awards. I observed a disconsolate group being directed across a field, down a foorpath. She then drove round to the other end and then directed them to cross another field. The kids learnt sod all about map reading, they learned how boring trudging across a field could be, the teacher looked as though she could have benefited from some exercise and I continued on my way with the belief that education in this country was screwed.

    • Cogra Bro

      Those who oppose convention do it in conventional ways.

  • Michael H Kenyon

    You be an academic in a university. Dog whistles are essential.

  • johnb1945

    I find that left wingers generally are unwilling to entertain the views of others.

    Why is this?

    I think it is because, at some basal level, they are ideological.

    You have to be – the evidence that left wing policies work is scant.

    People who are on the centre and centre right are more pragmatic. Left wingers interpret this as an intolerable lack of compassion or meanness, when in most cases it is simply trying to be practical.

    It is worrying that our children may be overexposed to these views in school.

    • Mr B J Mann

      It’s like the article about Lefties seeing a rough hexagon as a cIrcle.

      And it’s why there are more “clever” lefties, ie academics,

      The lefties can’t cope with the real world and have to make everything fit the theory, hence everything from wimmins “studies” through sociology to climate “science”!

      The right (it’s called that for a reason) know they have to abandon the theory, and even their preferences, when they find it doesn’t work, and go with what does, even if it doesn’t look that nice!

      That’s why arts students are lefties, science students are left of centre, while engineers are more “right wing”.

      And why you’ll find the more left wing engineers working for councils or the government, the more right wing ones work in in industry and commerce!!!

      • Mr B J Mann

        In fact, thinking about it a bit more:

        Why do scientists an mathematicians do what they do?

        Are they looking to prove there is total disorder and chaos in the world?

        Or are they looking to find the underlying order and beauty tying the whole universe together!

        And if they find something that does prove a bit of cohesive order do they stop there and build something with it?

        Or carry on trying to find a more unifying, more elegant, more beautiful theory?!

        That’s the difference between academics and practical people, and between scientists and engineers!

        • Mr B J Mann

          In fact, the guy who “invented” the laser, ie discovered laser light, didn’t think there was any practical use for it, and carried on doing other research.

          It was engineers who took a bit of the theory and found user for it to do everything from playing music to doing surgery.

          Similarly the guy who proved that electro-magnetic waves existed though it was merely a bit of interesting lab work that proved that some earlier very clever bit of mathematics prediction was right, but had no practical value.

          It was engineers who used that to build, errrrm, the entire modern world as we know it!

      • Leon Wolfeson

        Ah anti-academic hate.

        As you hate on women’s rights, studying people and science in general, right.

        As you know you have to ignore the facts and go with hate, when you find you’re not in charge. To be not-nice at the slightest chance, and as you lie about engineers, and then to make wild claims about industry and commerce…

        • Mr B J Mann

          Have you ever wondered why no one likes you, noeL nosefloW?

          It’s not just the constant dribbling, you know!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep talking to your other personality, and hence yourself.

            And it’s spam you post, but details.

          • Ooh!MePurse!

            I suggest you stop digging. You come across like a foolish teenager who thinks that they know everything.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You have an odd idea of facts, but you always did… reallt…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Bingo!

        • Mr B J Mann

          By the way?

          What lies about engineers?!

          And what wild claims about industry and commerce?!?!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you don’t know what you posted?

        • FriendlyFire

          He didn’t cast aspersions on women’s rights, just on women’s studies. Women’s rights are laudable (albeit predominantly the same as men’s rights), whereas women’s studies is victimhood bollocks.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you claiming she didn’t write what she wrote, right, as you decry equality and hate on education which doesn’t suit your prejudices.

          • FriendlyFire

            I genuinely think you’re drunk, aren’t you, as you keep imagining words in posts that aren’t actually there. Bye bye.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you’re a genuine nasty capitalist, right, as you run off to rip off more peons. It’s you.

          • Bram

            Behold the hermetically closed mind. This is not leftism, let alone progressive thought. This is the robotic regurgitating of Gruaniad clichés to the point of tedium. And that was precisely the point hat johnb1945 adressed in his post. Predictably, you stubbornly, deliberately, categorically, insistently and constantly refused to address these points and when called on it played the tediously predictable “deliberately obtuse” card. Discussing with closed minds, which is basically everyone steeped in today’s identity politics and political correctness, both not born from original thought and as remote from progressive causes as they can possibly be, is manifestly a complete waste of time.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, thanks Neil for talking about your mind.

            You then blatently lie again, you’re a right winger, as you admit the issues of trying to debate with you and your personalities, as you call yourself a “monstrous mentality”, in your capitalist frenzy.

            “They”, right, as you want me to lie like you, and to worship your glorious capitalist faith, abandoning the free market. You’re progressive like the Coalition were.

            As you show your hard, rejecting, anti-empathic, hard-right stance.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            No his parents are first cousins. It’s a common problem I hear in certain communities.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you think Jews…right.

            Same old bigotry from you, as you hear your hate.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            No, only you think Jews Leon. Everyone else thinks you’re a d!ck.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you claim to be everyone else, Jewhater, as you spew wild accusations.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            You are now a little desperate. Jewhater?
            All that means is you have no valid arguments to present and retreat to the leftist retort of virtue signalling.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No, I’m sticking with commenting on posts.

            As you scream that facts are not valid, and use more PC on the left, as you signal for hate and bigotry. The facts remain, of course.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            You are the only ….ONLY person to mention Jews.
            You make no sense, never have.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you deny many of your posts. As you lie (you posted “Jews”, right there, so…).

            And then you try and redefine “sense” to match your ideology, in your rejection of cause and effect…not to mention facts.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Sorry you didn’t make it clear you weren’t an Islamist.
            But you have confirmed for me that I am debating with a barely adolescent keyboard warrior. Are you old enough to vote Leon?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I didn’t make it “clear” I don’t believe in Xenu either, but yet…

            As you try and say you’re debating with yourself, child-hater, when you’ve admitted you’re just whining.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            More guff.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Well why do you post your guff in the first place.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Priceless!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah those facts, those darn things…

          • twinkiedooter

            My take on Leon the bully is he’s a frustrated old jew who had his wife either leave him or she died or he’s gay who think’s he’s god or something similar and thinks he’s the official internet police and contributes NOTHING to any articles but loves to TRASH anyone else’s comments. I for one have called him a troll and mysteriously had my comment to him deleted (which I am sure he had deleted). Why do you interact with such an idiot? P.S. I’ve read your posts and you seem to be very level headed and don’t attack others unlike Leon the Baby who thinks he’s god or somebody.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Appreciate your comment. I quite enjoy tying him up in knots. Obviously if I had something better to do I wouldn’t waste my time on him, but when I do have time I do find him quite entertaining.
            And yes he is a troll, and yes I have also had posts deleted for calling him so.
            I think he just needs to lose his virginity.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            I should also add he’s not a bully, he’s a joke. If that’s the standard of bullying these days we really have nothing to worry about.

          • twinkiedooter

            Just another keyboard warrior spewing garbage out of his frustration at life I guess. He contributes NOTHING that I could discern…..

          • twinkiedooter

            Wolfeson is a common jew name BTW.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Oh I know. It makes it more fun.

    • AraucaniaPatagonia

      “I find that left wingers generally are unwilling to entertain the views of others.
      Why is this?”

      Because being “left wing” is easy and, hence, for the stupid.

      It gives them a whole menu of opinions and rules – some multiple choice, granted – that they don’t even need to think about.

      Furthermore, regurgitating these views conveys an intellectualism on the left-winger that they actually don’t have, as well as other supposed virtues that they have and would like to display, such as (false) “compassion” and “generosity” (with other people’s money).

      No hard thought or hard decisions required.

      • Cogra Bro

        Left wingers are unwilling to entertain the views of others because their ideology is part of how they see themselves. An attack on their ideology is an attack on themselves, they think.

        That’s because their ideology is a function of emotion rather than thought, the opposite of what they themselves like to think about it.

        It’s all about ‘caring ‘ rather than being realistic. But leftists caring is selfish and shallow. They want the state to care, not themselves personally.

        This leaves them to get on doing their selfish, self-centred things without the bother of true, petsonal, hands on caring.

        • The Git at the Gobshites Rest

          Very astute comment.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, more PC bigotry, I see, as you project.

          As you wonder why some people want a functional state.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Speaks the bigot.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, you do, and?

            A functional state is a good thing.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        Never mind little studies which show the better educated trend to the left, whoops for your theory.

        As you hate on intellectuals, right. As you detest the concepts of compassion and a functional state,

        It’s your PC collectivist hate which is easy.

        • DeltaNaught

          The engineers and architects who designed the gas chambers at Auschwitz were ‘better educated’ than most.

          What’s your point?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you, randomly, start hating on education and bring up your Heros.

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          Publish them here.let’s see the evidence.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            After the bigoted accusations you’ve made? Pay up.

            If you ask again, you agree that you are entering a contract to pay my standard research rates.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Idiot.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ohnoes, I don’t work for free.
            I’m a “idiot” for that. Hmm.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            If you don’t post your proof how can anyone believe you.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            If I don’t work for free, how can you believe me?
            Well, you’d reject it anyway, for starters. Remember kids, people who get paid for work are idiots for LRRH!

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            You haven’t quite got the hang of the concept of debating, making assertions and providing evidence for such assertions. If you can’t provide evidence it is only your opinion and not necessarily fact.

          • Bram

            Leon is not here for debate. He is fundamentally disinterested in debate. He has no time for exchanging views. That is in part because, as his posts show so eloquently, he has no views of his own. No thought goes into his rantings. All sound and fury.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you dismiss things because I don’t work for free, right. As you say all facts you have not personally reviewed are opinion, projecting from your “debating” stance…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            I’m sure it’s not your paid employment to back up your assertions with a reference or two. … If it is…….you’ll starve.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you are “sure” you can try and spew ridiculous crap like “starve” to bully me into working for you for free.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Nope it was funny and true unless you deny it.
            Provide your references.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Reference – your posts, where you bully me.
            Reference – your claim I haven’t denied your untruths. Etc.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Nah, you don’t get it son. You make the accusation, you provide the evidence, of bullying and anything else you claim or assert.
            You are starting to sound like one of those poor little snowllflakes intent seeking victimhood.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you’re also a child-hater, as you admit you don’t have the evidence, as you talk about your hate of individuality and desire to create victims…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            What did you put on your cornflakes this morning Leon, LSD?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            See, I’m not a loser like you…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            How you got to that only you will know. You’re not even any good at trolling Leon. Most people just think you’re a d!ck!.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So again you make wild claims about “most people”, when you speak only for yourself.

            As you try and claim not many people can read English, and note I’m not a good troll like you.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Ok let me be clear. I think your are a d!ck.
            If anyone else agrees they can uptick or not.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Hey, noeL nosefloW, stop dribbling from your nostrils and get your cheque book out.

            We psychotherapists don’t work for free you know!

            You must owe me several grand for all the counselling I’ve been giving you recently.

            Come on cough up!

            Euuuuwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!

            No, not like that!

            You NASTY, nosefloW!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You’re talking to yourself again, I see, as you make fake claims about your qualifications and try and charge yourself.

            And then whine because you coughed.
            You’re still a drama queen.

        • The_greyhound

          Little studies published by, er, left-wing apologists.

          There’s nothing intellectual about the modern left : public sector freeloaders led by a man with two A levels. See also Joyce Thacker, Sharon Shoesmith, Cynthia Bower, and the management at Stafford Hospital …….

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, you reject studies because of your bias, right.

            As you hate on nurses and teachers, and attack democracy. Stand strong with your economic failures in government.

          • Mr B J Mann

            What’s this ridiculous hate “on” nonsense?!

            Is English not your first language?

            Are you still in Primary school?!

            Or both!!!!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            What’s facts, as you hate kids, the Other…

      • johnb1945

        I don’t think it’s fair to say that left wingers are any more stupid than right wingers, and extreme right wingers are typically neither tolerant nor especially thoughtful.

        I think what is happening is that the traditional left within the Labour movement and progressive offshoots such as the SNP is becoming more extreme and reactionary.

        It’s almost as if the right wing of UKIP now represented the Tory mainstream.

        It’s probably a form of cognitive dissonance. They never get elected, and when we look at European countries where they do they invariably trash the economy. In the face of such evidence people tighten up and start blaming others for their demise.

  • FriendlyFire

    I give thanks once again that I got my daughter into private school (on a bursary). I know this nonsense happens in every school but hopefully less so there.

    Let’s make Business and Economics mandatory subjects under the national curriculum. Let’s teach kids how the world actually works.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      Good thinking. One of the key reasons ISTM why so many people make financial sacrifices to educate their children privately is that there is far less likelihood of modish PC Left-wing tosh being passed off as “education”: parents want their children to receive sound traditional objective education, not propaganda.

      • Todd Unctious

        Kings and battles is all they need from history and how we bearded the fuzziwuzzis.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        So you don’t have any idea about education, right, and you talk about a few home schoolers whose kids…

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Do try to keep up, or stay awake. I never mentioned home schoolers. I suppose it might be possible not to have any idea about education, after completing PGCE and lecturing in FE for between 10 and 20 years… You have a habit of coming out with daft assertions.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you deny your post… and that’s your claim is it, what ypu’ve done? You’re projecting.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            This dimwitted response is similar, IIRC, to previous responses of yours.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you don’t bother reading…

          • Malcolm Stevas

            …your strange posts? Good idea.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, so you’ll keep not reading my posts, as you clearly never did. Right.

          • Bram

            How old are you? You have the debating “techniques” of a seven-year-old. Your online farts are becoming exceedingly tedious. And what’s with the “hate on” phrase you keep using mindlessly? What language is that?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you want personal information, hate kids and blame me for your posts, as you claim facts are “used mindlessly”.

            As you admit you can’t read English anyway.

          • Mr B J Mann

            I made almost the identical points in a post a dozen above yours but a day after it!

    • Todd Unctious

      Economics is a failed pseudo-science and has no value and no place in the modern world.

      • FriendlyFire

        How about we teach them the basics? You know, supply and demand, the fact that trade and the exchange of money for goods and services is what brings us so much prosperity, prosperity which our great-grandparents couldn’t have even dreamed of. And the fact that the free market is by far the most efficient means of getting people’s desires met. You know, just the fundamental stuff that most school teachers don’t take the time to appreciate or even think about.

        • Todd Unctious

          They need basic financial education certainly. Like how not to be ripped off by predatory bankers or duped by unqualified financial advisers on ludicrous commission. But teaching them that greed is good is unnecessary when they are exposed to a cynical world of media and advertising.

          • FriendlyFire

            Yes, personal financial education about mortgages and credit and all that stuff, for sure. I agree.

            And they’d also do well to understand how trade and business and enterprise brings all of us great benefits, such that we now have a startlingly high standard of living in terms of, yes, consumer durables, travel, variety of food, entertainment, quality of health care, quality of housing, etc. Furthermore, it would be good for them to see that this trade and business and exchange of money for goods and services has also been key in dragging a billion people out of extreme poverty in the last (I think) 15 years. So it’s an “everybody wins” scenario.

            I’m guessing nobody’s ever taught you that, though.

          • Todd Unctious

            Hmmm. The main winner being the uber rich as a placid populace are taught not to question why they are as rich as Croesus.

          • FriendlyFire

            No. That’s exactly where you’re wrong. Compare yourself to your great-grandparents at your age. What is your standard of living like compared to theirs? Did they have double glazing, central heating, a car, a smart phone, access to EasyJet, a choice of foods from all around the world in their local supermarket, the ability to order home delivery from that supermarket, access to first class NHS health care, access to high quality state education for their children, the ability to speak to friends and relatives around the world by phone, let alone by webcam, hot water on demand, a freezer and a washing machine, etc., etc., etc.? Did they have any of these things that the average person in the UK now takes for granted?

            Did they?

          • Todd Unctious

            You seem to co-opt all progress for capitalism. Most scientific progress is via the military and hence publicly funded. There is no need to have a layer of greedy bigheads creaming off the profit.

          • FriendlyFire

            I’ll take that as a “No, they didn’t, I’m very lucky that there’s been so much innovation – part private, and part state (and thus funded by taxes on private activity) – so on reflection I realise the glass is half full and yes, it would be good to teach kids this.”

            Fair summation?

          • Todd Unctious

            Progress has been huge. My own grandfather started work at age 13 in 1918, on 10 shillings a week. It took him 5 months to save up for a pair of boots. He never learnt to read or write properly. He saw so much change in just 80 years; cars, phones, aeroplanes, washing machines, indoor loos,TV, the NHS, life expectancy increasing in leaps and bounds.

          • FriendlyFire

            Exactly. It’s miraculous. And it’s all thanks to capitalism. Whereas in places without capitalism, progress has been much slower. Let’s teach our schoolkids this important truth so they can appreciate how fortunate we all are and also take an active part in the next steps, rather than whining about how the system is unfair, or something.

            Agreed?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Really, which part of capitalism is that then? Not the free markets capitalism works to subvert of course…

            Corruption?
            Bribery?
            Corporatism?
            Insider Trading?
            Regulatory Capture?

            You want to indoctrinate kids into self-hate, teach them they’re worthless and to work minimum wage. That they’re naturally inferior for not being born rich. That’s Capitalism.

          • FriendlyFire

            I think this is a matter of confusion over definitions (as you well know).

            Crony capitalism, corporatism, undue influence over government, the new-market-entrant-blocking nonsense from Brussels – these are things that all true free marketeers are against. And yes, they are distortions of capitalism best remedied.

            And the central truth of the virtue of markets, trade and innovation clearly remains.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No, it’s a matter of being pro-free market.

            They’re Capitalism. Period. I’m not a capitalist, *instead* I’m pro free-market, and I’m tired of vulgar libertarians trying to hijack the debate.

          • FriendlyFire

            Sorry your confused ramblings have lost me. If you think that kids should be taught about the value of the free market in school then we’re in agreement. Not sure what you’re trying to argue about.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No, you’re confusing yourself. You want to teach about Capitalism, which exists only on a parasite on the free market, and can only work by preventing most people from having ready access to capital!

          • Maureen Fisher

            Please enlighten us as to what you put in its place. We’re all ears.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I don’ t provide information to multiple personalities per a long-standing policy.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            As he regresses to his natural form. Leon the troll never changes.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, the wild accusations when I state a fact. As you call not making things worse trolling…

          • Maureen Fisher

            In other words you don’t have any ideas.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            In your Orwellian excuses, yes, as you claim to be able to prevent…

          • Bram

            Bingo.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            They had a lot more money, were business owners, etc.

            (Unfortunately my great-grandfather dropped dead from a heart attack, and that was that for their business)

            The poor today have less than they did, by a long way. Oh, they have £10 mobiles.

          • FriendlyFire

            The poor today have less than the poor of your great-grandfather’s generation? You really think so? Or have you misread the earlier comments?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Compared to my great-grandparents, which was the meter stick you used? Yes.

            Tell me, what do you say to the workers who can’t afford to heat their rented house, 90 minutes on the bus from work, or have a fridge?

            Where if they take a shift off to see a doctor, they’ll not get any more shifts. Single glazing, landlord can’t be bothered with insulation, etc.

          • FriendlyFire

            If your forebears were spectacularly wealthy then it’s possible that they had greater material confort etc than you (although did they have double glazing and access to intercontinental flight?).

            But try and think a bit more broadly, huh? The zero hour contractor of today is far, far better off than their equivalent of 100 years ago. Duh!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You said, liar, you were running off. Evidently you’re just a Capitalist running dog instead.

            As you think the people starving slowly today are far, far better off than the people starving slowly 100 years ago. Capitalist progress!

          • FriendlyFire

            You idiot. You really think the numbers and severity are comparable? Jump in a time machine – or catch a flight to the less developed world – and you’ll realise how facile your trite comments are.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “U IDIOT”.

            So, liar, you think having less back then was better. As you attack me for not loving starvation and poverty for the peons like you, how dare I want to stop people being THAT poor, I’m so nasty in your view, right.

            Or in other words, I’m pro free market, and a capitalist like you can’t abide that.

          • Lawrence James.

            Oh dear ! How long before we hear from someone w

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you “guess” based on your fantasies… as you ignore the fact it’s free markets which are doing it against capitalism, and in Britain today it’s decidedly running the other way.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Oh sure. Whereas capitalism is the problem, the leech on the free market. And?

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Sure. The actual topics, not indoctrination of course.

  • Freddythreepwood

    We know this goes on in state schools. We won’t be able to confront it until the schools and the people concerned are named. So……………….

  • Impromptu

    To survive as a Tory anything…
    The left create such an atmosphere of intimidation and groupthink that anyone who disagrees just keeps their own counsel and lets their X do the talking come the day. What else can anyone do when the word Tory is so widely used as an insult? And to question the left about anything makes you a Tory.
    There are then contemptuous howls about the electorate being stupid and/or brainwashed.

    • ValerianII

      You do like playing the victim. People who are confident in sharing opinions which you don’t agree with are not intimidating or oppressing you. If you’re embarrassed or ashamed about your opinions and/or voting habits, that’s your issue.

      • Impromptu

        I’m not shy of my opinions, I’ve just found over the years that there’s very little point bothering to discuss things with people who will simply dismiss out of hand anything you have to say.
        Sure, there’s intolerance all the way across the spectrum. Nevertheless, I haven’t come across too many left-wingers who’ll say “you’ve got a point there, but…” Nope, you’re scum.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Yep, very easy to say people are like you. As you don’t mix with left wingers, I understand, as you excuse the right’s intolerance towards so many British people.

          • Impromptu

            I mix with all kinds of people and listen to their views. Left wingers rarely pay me the same courtesy.
            And at no point did I excuse intolerance from anyone.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So all kinds of the right, as you deny your post and wonder why an extremist like you isn’t welcome…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Good old Leon. The troll is back in the house.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, you’re here and making your wild accusations.

      • Mr B J Mann

        Errrmmmmmm, look what happened to teachers who were found to have supported the BNP??!?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Teachers are paid from the public purse, and have a duty to teach students regardless of who they are or where they come from. BNP membership, to some councils, is incompatible with that.

          Simple as.

          (I’d myself consider, I note, SWP membership equally as bad)

    • Leon Wolfeson

      You keep blaming the left for society in general.

      Your hate for the electorate…

      • cmflynn

        You certainly love the word ‘hate’ Leon. You use it in almost every post at least once.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          So you don’t bother reading many of my posts, I see, right. Well, keep up the PC.

      • Impromptu

        Thank you for succinctly illustrating my point.
        Where in my post did I blame or demonstrate hate for anyone?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          So you don’t even know what you’re posting, sad.
          Your “point”…your PC bigotry…

          • Impromptu

            There we go. Accusing me of stupidity and insulting me. Bingo.
            I don’t “hate the electorate” – a fish doesn’t hate or love water. Or are you making the assumption that “the electorate” is left wing? We haven’t returned an avowedly left-wing government in nearly half a century. It just doesn’t seem to be what the majority wants.
            (Not that I “hate” left wingers either, I just generally find it exasperating trying to have constructive debate with them. Like now, for instance.)

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Look, if you don’t mean it don’t say it, Mr. Bingo-points-scorer.
            I’m not PC, and I’ll happily call you what you are based on your posts.

            As you make silly noises, and ignore FPTP.
            As you wonder why your treating left wingers as idiots (see, again, FPTP) means that we’re not generally willing to be patsies for your “debate”. Hmm!

            Oh, and the majority didn’t vote Tory if you want to play that game.

          • macukguy

            They certainly did not vote Labour.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And? Where’s your rage against an illegitimate government? After all…

          • The_greyhound

            The majority voted for centre right parties.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Really, when was that? Certainly not in the latest election….you are aware of the definition of the word “majority”, yes?

  • Enoch Powell

    While on supply just before the election, I watched an Art Teacher question an A Level student on who they might vote for. The student said Miliband. She had no good reasons for her choice (He seems nicer than the Tories or some such rot). I could see the teacher desperately wanting to point out how utterly useless Miliband was. But in the end he left it and walked away. These are Tory values. It is a person’s choice how they think and vote. It is not for us to overly influence someone else’s independent views. The Left however see every debate as an excuse for indoctrination. The teacher no doubt would have been hauled up for attempting to influence a student if he’d carried on, but the clear leftist indoctrination is allowed to carry on non stop.

    • ValerianII

      Instead you opted to sneer and claim that her opinion was not as valid as yours, you being the arbiter of what is and isn’t a ‘good reason’. You & your colleague disagreed with her reason, fine, but the one she gave is perfectly valid for an on the spot grilling by an authority figure. She didn’t quote any misleading stats or misunderstand policies, she gave a subjective opinion on Miliband’s personality.
      The article was about History teachers, and democratic politics is an important part of British history. Why an Art teacher at your school brought the topic up, other than to encourage turnout, I have no idea.

  • Jab

    The recent news that our puplils educational achievements were at the bottom of the league table tells you what you need to know.No critical ability seems taught and it shows.

  • John P Hughes

    A good reason not to lower the voting age to 16. Cameron should never have agreed it for the Scottish Referendum in 2014. That has set a (slight) precedent, though the right to vote at 16 does not exist in any other major Western democracy.
    If the voting age were reduced to 16, the behaviour and influence of teachers of the type described in the article would be a serious concern. At present, with the voting age set at 18, few school pupils will in practice find themselves able to vote in a General Election, and those who have reached 18 by a May date will be heavily engaged in A-level preparation and not able to take part in any political activity.
    The rules for the Scottish Referendum period were strict. There was no debate and no campaigning allowed in schools. Teachers were barred from discussing the Referendum or expressing Yes or No opinions to their pupils or in other ways. Placards were not allowed on school premises and teachers were not permitted to wear badges or have bumper-stickers on their cars. As one teacher put it, in studying the issues in the Referendum. ‘The children are on their own’.
    This degree of restriction on what teachers could say or do was enforceable because there is only one main teaching union, the Educational Institute of Scotland (EIS). With its members having a variety of views on independence, the EIS had good reason to agree to keep the referendum out of the schools. This was what happened in general, though there may have been exceptions.
    It is difficult to believe that (with the fractious union structure) in state schools in England there would be such an effective handling of an election where children of 16 and 17 could vote.

    • Mr B J Mann

      The SNP boast about the lowering of the age of voting.

      Have they got round to lowering the age for buying 18+ mags and videos, booze, ciggies, fireworks, knives and other sharp and pointy things, including kindergarten scizzors?!

      If not, why not?

      Old enough to vote, but not old enough to shop?!

      And are they going to lower the age of criminal responsibility by a couple of years too?!

      • RobertRetyred

        How about lowering the age at which a state guardian is not required?

  • D J

    I can truly sympathise. As a very junior doctor in the early 1990s on a neurosurgery ward round I listened to my colleagues and bosses around an ITU bed vigorously explain the evils of the tories. At the end I said I would be voting tory. It was hard not to laugh at their combined looks of horror. Their eyes were on stalks.
    After that I decided to follow another specialty.

  • wayne

    This is one persons experience in one school, a lot of you are extrapolating big assumptions about teachers with very little data. These history teachers sound like idiots. I am a history graduate, any historian worth their salt will try and fight their natural bias and try and present as balanced an opinion as possible.

    My balanced opinion as a leftie is that here is very little positive that can be said for the British empire!

    • Igor

      Wouldn’t you think it positive that it gave you a one sided qualification that will no doubt allow you pursue a ‘public service’ career to continue to undermine it.

      • William Brown

        Quite.

      • wayne

        The British Empire allowed me to gain my qualification? Also I am not a teacher.

    • William Brown

      If you don’t like what’s at the other end of that hand, have the courage of your convictions to change your keeper. Otherwise your arguments are just puff, vain and vacuous posturing.

    • COGNITIO

      No such thing as a “balanced leftie opinion”.and there are all sorts of history degrees. If you fail to see the importance of the British contribution to World history over the last 300 years then you clearly aren’t looking properly.

      • wayne

        That was precisely my point, everybody is biased by their own political leanings, be they left, right or centre – you my friend are not immune! Any historian or indeed serious commentator ought to bear this in mind.

        On your second point – I did not seriously suggest that Britain has made no contribution to 300 years of world history. That would be absurd! Just on balance the empire was not such a great thing!

  • The Age of Gross

    You can always tell if a person has doubts about their believes by how angry they get. If you are absolutely certain you are right, you don’t get angry in a debate. When ever I feel my blood starting to boil I stop and reevaluate and confirm my opinion. It is good feedback.

    If you are unable to convince someone and you are confident in yourself you can blow them off as stupid.

    • wayne

      Lots of people are sure they are right about many different things, lots of these people are wrong.

    • Mr B J Mann

      So why are the left always so angry, often violently so?!

      Ahhhhh, because they know they are wrong!!!

      • The Age of Gross

        deep down yes.

        • red2black

          Deep down? Lefties are far too shallow.

      • Bram

        I think it’s also to do with the fact that they think very hard that they are being progressive while in point of fact they have reverted to the most regressive, backward and mindnumbingly tedioud form of groupthink imaginable, i.e. identity politics and the regurgitating of ubsibstantiated clichés. The Left used to be about ideas. That time has long since passed. So they are angry because, deep down, they know they are empty. Something about hollow vats making the most noise…

    • Nick Gibbs

      Hang about- what? Run that past me again? ‘You can tell if a person has doubts about their beliefs’ based on ‘how angry they get’? Angry as in passionate? That’s an inane and sweeping generalisation. I’m ‘leftie’, I’m passionate about my beliefs, because I’ve seen people die as a direct consequence of conservative policy-making. In such cases, anger is surely justified. As we move into the era of corporate-fascism, as defined by Mussolini, in which people become mere work units, to be sacrificed at the altar of free trade, ‘anger’ becomes a mild response.
      Anger barely scratches the surface of what is required. If you are incapable of making a causal link between the massive rise in poverty, foodbanks and suicides throughout the UK, it’s either selective (and wilful) blindness on your part or a distinct and woeful lack of empathy. I pity you. But not without a flicker of irritation.

      • The Age of Gross

        At first I was going to say you are emotional but I’ll upgrade you to histrionic. Anger is an emotion and emotions are not conducive to rational discussion. Sure be passionate about your strong beliefs, but don’t get angry. Anger leads to the darkside.

        • Nick Gibbs

          I would beg to differ. I’m inclined to argue that emotions have a critical part to play in rational discussions. To overlook emotion is to discount it’s effects on your own decision-making processes.
          You may think you’re making entirely rational choices, but each event is coloured by emotion, and anger has it’s place on the spectrum, alongside all the other emotional responses.
          It would make more sense to investigate how your ratiocination is affected by the whim of mood, and perhaps take it into account, or calibrate against the possibility, but to deny that possibility outright misses a large part of the picture as whole.
          Incidentally, when I speak of ‘anger’, I don’t mean the elbow-jogging getting-glassed-in-a-pub kind of anger (aka homicidal rage), I mean anger as in a justified response to a perceived existential threat. We are unlikely to ever be able to see eye to eye, but that doesn’t imply that, should we meet, I would be harbouring thoughts of violence against you.
          As you rightly say, that kind of anger does indeed lead to the darkside (arguably, it is the very essence of the darkside). But anger, rationally directed, arising from a sense of natural injustice, can and does lead to change – witness female emancipation, parliamentary reform, etc. To see a wrong and seek to correct it – to fight to correct it – this is surely a laudable goal.
          My distaste of right-wing politics is instinctive; it comes from the same place as my sense of fairness. I measure civilisation by how it treats it’s vulnerable, and I’ve seen and experienced the deliberate bureaucratic sadism meted out to the disabled, and the poor. A government that cold-bloodedly starves it’s own people to death is to be resisted, and, yes, to be fought. I’m not suggesting that people on the left of politics offer a utopian alternative that works. But at least they occasionally come up with ideas that actively try to help alleviate suffering, rather than deliberately add to it.
          So there you go. Thanks for reading, and thanks to replying, and (a teensy-bit) sorry for the ‘pity you’ bit.

          • Hamburger

            My distaste for left wing politics is just as strong. I assume if we met we would probably be shouting at each other within five minutes. It maybe loud, but neither constructive or informative and we would both go away thinking that the other is an idiot. That is the point The Age of Gross was making.

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        Did Blair cause any death and destruction?
        Just saying.

  • T Gould

    The worst thing about political bias isn’t that it doesn’t just indoctrinate kids, it often lowers standards of learning too. Languages taught without grammar rules or because an insistence on ‘correctness’ is oppressive. Classics written by dead white people binned in the name of diversity. Asinine cherry-picking of history.

  • JonBW

    If you have conservative views and work in any part of the public sector it is as well to hold your tongue.

    Mind you, on the evidence of the last six years it is impossible to be a conservative in No 10 Downing Street.

  • John Steadman

    A lot of teachers are unthinkingly leftist – teaching remains to a significant degree a working-class trade, and it’s simply in the DNA. But I wouldn’t try to argue that this phenomenon doesn’t work on the Right, also, in various other contexts. If you’ve a working-class background an you’re working in a comp (and I used to qualify on both counts) in a Labour heartland, it’s easy to go with the flow. But all of us are capable of redemption.

    • Todd Unctious

      Steady there. With that level of small mindedness you ought to be screened for the zika virus.

      • Tamerlane

        Despicable comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      • John Steadman

        Too small a mind to understand your comment, certainly, Mr Unctious.

    • William Brown

      Left = working class???? Really??? When did you last go out of your house?

      • John Steadman

        Well, OK, William – if you’re suggesting that things they are a changin’, I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with you; but it’s all bloody complicated, is it not? And if you have in mind Islington Man and champagne socialism – yeh, I take your point. But, you know, the majority of teachers aren’t really so much politically aware as one might think, and are happy to vote instinctively – which means, to a large degree, à la gauche. I think that in broad terms, I made a reasonable point, from inside the house.

  • iviv44

    As a teacher and a Conservative, not everything in this article rings true. Sure, there are a many teachers who have deeply entrenched left wing views but I laid my cards on the table early on (not that I had much choice having stood at a local level in the next door ward) while making it clear that while I was happy to discuss politics down the pub, I was not interested in debating that sort of thing in school (a rule I have stuck to absolutely). It does help that I am (by some way) the most academically qualified in the school (though this does not make me the best teacher, as I frequently remind people), so am unlikely to be accused of being “thick”. By taking this approach I have found that other, like-minded teachers can quietly make themselves known, and there are many more (even in what is essentially the local sink school) than you might expect. I have also found that none but the most rabidly left wing (i.e. those with left wing views AND lacking any sort of manners) mention or moan about anything political within earshot of me, which suits me and probably saves their blood pressure too.

    • Mr B J Mann

      Right, so not all teachers are lefties in your school, but the guy who is by far the most qualified dares put his head above the parapet and admit, yes, I’m the guy who stood in the neighbouring ward as a Conservative, because he knows they can’t call him thick.

      And any other non lefties actually dare, errrmmmmm, admit it to you, and you alone, in strict confidence?!?!?!

    • Leon Wolfeson

      So…you don’t let your ideology get in the way of teaching. Right.

  • Tamerlane

    Plenty of state schools knocking about loaded with Tory staff rooms, suspect it’s the area you were in.

    • red2black

      I went to a selective boys grammar school during the 1960s, and the teachers were clearly a mixture of different political persuasions. The Conservative ones were made of much sterner stuff than the self-pitying specimens of today.

      • davidshort10

        In those days, you were a Tory or Labour. Both had their merits but Labour was let us say progressive and you could still be Labour and a patriot and in favour of a good and ordered society.

        • red2black

          That’s right. There was also a real mix of working class and middle class teachers and pupils at the school I went to. Labour was to do with securing and maintaining decent social and economic conditions for working class people.

          • William Brown

            The lowest common denominator ideology extended to the staff room, in addition to the classroom.

          • red2black

            Hardly. I went to one of the top ten State sector selective grammar schools in England. A lot of the pupils were from working class families connected to coal mining and other local heavy industries. A number of pupils went on to Oxford, Cambridge, and other universities each year.

          • William Brown

            Sorry, I think there’s been some misunderstanding here r2b. I was referring to the ‘catchment area comprehensive’, not selective grammar schools.

      • greencoat

        I too went to an old-fashioned boys-only grammar school. Many of the older teachers were ex-servicemen; fearless, principled characters who, I’m ashamed to say, I did not properly appreciate at the time, but whom I now salute.

    • Todd Unctious

      Git.

  • StringyJack

    Schools and universities are stacked with left wingers and it is not just a British phenomenon. It is all part of Gramisci’s ‘Long March through the Institutions’ whereby marxist intellectuals would colonise the academic institutions of the western world and establish socialism as the dominant ideology. Western educational institutions have now been captured and are churning out a new generation of Socialist Man, that instintively views the world through marxist lenses. The revolution is almost upon us.

    Sadly, the sun is setting on the West. The future belongs to Asia, where nobody (outside of North Korea) still believes in marxism. Even the Chinese have abandoned it and embraced capitalism with an enthusiasm not seen since the Industrial Revolution in England 200 years ago. You British should cherish your Imperial past. Those were your glory days when you brought the advantages of modern civilisation to a largely benighted world. Many of us still thank you for it!

    • ArtieHarris

      ” It is all part of Gramisci’s ‘Long March through the Institutions’
      whereby marxist intellectuals would colonise the academic institutions
      of the western world and establish socialism as the dominant ideology.”

      Stringy – it’s mostly about money, not Gramsci. He just happened to show the way for government workers to grab power. And they used his leftist ideas to do just this.

      But the ever-motivating force behind it all is money, jobs, pensions etc – i.e. self interest – not Gramsci!

      • Leon Wolfeson

        Ah yes, those workers with far lower pay rises, raided pensions and far higher rates of job losses…public sector workers. Right.

  • JJD

    Hopefully more influential people than I will read this, and decide something has to be done. Thanks for being open about your experience.

  • davidshort10

    I think we have known this for about thirty years but it doesn’t harm by being reminded of why employers prefer Polish young people over British ones.

    • Cobbett

      They’re more docile and grateful.

      • Lindy

        They are politer and work harder, I’d guess.

        • Cobbett

          Bullshit…you’re just prejudiced.

          • Lindy

            They don’t swear all that much either.

          • Cobbett

            Ever worked with any E Europeans?

          • Lindy

            Worked with them, employed them, have them as neighbours, welcomed them into my house as friends of my teenage daughter. I have found them courteous and hard working. Sorry to disappoint you.

          • Cobbett

            None of them swear? Strange claim indeed as I’ve heard them on many occasions.

  • Maureen Fisher

    Just try suggesting that parents are responsible for feeding their children and sending them to school washed and wearing clean clothes and you’ll be met with open hostility by leftie teachers. For decades Left teachers have encouraged such feckless behaviour which has led to the current state of complete breakdown of civility and discipline and youth unable to read, write or add up after years of schooling.

    • red2black

      Teachers have actively encouraged parents not to wash, clothe, and feed their children?

      • Maureen Fisher

        They’ve told them it’s not their fault and down to poverty which is caused by wicked Tories.

        • red2black

          Then how come so many working class people vote Conservative;
          more particularly, the women?

          • greencoat

            The resilience of innate common sense.

          • red2black

            That’s right. They were always sensible enough to take the pay-rises that had been negotiated for them.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Masochism is common sense? Hmm.

            See things like the letters working class Tory voters write to their MP when something goes wrong and leaves them in financial trouble, and their reaction to the dismissals they get.

          • ArtieHarris

            “Then how come so many working class people vote Conservative;”

            Many working-class people resent those feckless people who dwell amongst them. For example, you often hear them complaining about their neighbours getting paid to stay at home all day while they, themselves, go out to work.

          • red2black

            The Conservative-voting working class go to work, while the Labour-voting working class stay at home. I see.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, they buy into your class-war dogma, right.

          • Maureen Fisher

            There’s a difference between working class and underclass who are not likely to vote for anyone.

          • red2black

            ‘Underclass’? Working class people who are unemployed remain working class. Middle class people who are unemployed remain middle class. People’s voting habits have nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people from all social classes who don’t vote.

  • Shiks Peasman

    still not uploading my comment?

    • William Brown

      This isn’t the Guardian – any moderation here is driven by Disqus! Try removing any links, or words that might constitute swearing – your comment should then appear.

      • Shiks Peasman

        Interesting. Or have the conservatives started their online cleansing strategy?

        • tjamesjones

          Hard to see how they’d have time, what with all the bombing and paedo shielding.

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          Labour, conservatives they are all past of the same evil ideology.
          Are you really that dim as not to see this?

      • ArtieHarris

        ” any moderation here is driven by Disqus”

        No, someone at the Speccie moderates – via Disqus.

  • Shiks Peasman

    wow still not!

  • Shiks Peasman

    so i have taken screen grabs!

    • Ivan Ewan

      Thanks mate, you’ve broken the wicked Disqus auto-moderation. Now we can see for ourselves what a git you are.

    • colchar

      I read your comments and all I can say is that you are a complete and utter idiot.

      • Bram

        Lecturer. Makes sense.

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      Idiotic comments.
      Wasn’t it Blair who bombed more kids every day?
      Isn’t he doing well financially from the mess he created.

  • William Brown

    To survive as anyone, who doesn’t follow the binary narrative of “you’re either with us, or against us”, you have a choice upon whether to keep quiet or not. Time to stand up and be counted – I’d rather be identified, than cower under the weight of the new fascism of the left.

    • Ivan Ewan

      The trouble is that if you don’t keep quiet, you have to be 100% on the ball at all times, able to respond to harsh questions from all sides with no preparation time. Not everyone is ready to deal with that. Frankly, it sucks.

  • rob232

    As I remember it teachers, at least those who gave opinions, were always left wing. In 1966 the French teacher told us we ( or our parents) were nuts if we voted Conservative. At eleven I was too young to understand his reasoning. But all through secondary school there were teachers who tried to teach us how to think as they put it with socialist idealogy. University was the same. Only thick people voted Conservative.

    • Todd Unctious

      Not just thick people. The greedy and selfish vote Tory too.

      • rob232

        Yes that’s what they like to teach you in school. However it is very often the free market, free enterprise and competition which manages to raise general prosperity. Although our teachers and university lecturers tried to convince us otherwise. I remember one lecturer who rebuked a young girl student for rejecting his left wing teaching. Come the revolution, he said, you’ll be the first one to be shot. What fantasies passed through the heads of these people with such chips on their shoulders!

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        Is Tony Blair a Tory?
        Gordon Brown.
        Do you think they are short of cash?
        It has always amused me how lefties such as yourself being little substance to a debate other than insults.
        People are allowed to have a different opinion to yours.
        In my view Labour governments are unmitigated disasters every time they take the reins.
        The Tories aren’t far behind but neither are They true conservatives. They are ideologically closer to Labour than they have ever been before. Red or blue, they rubber stamp the same policies that line the pockets of the globalists

  • rtj1211

    As a Centre Right political thinker, you have to be big enough to ask yourself a few questions:

    ‘Would I tolerate living under the British Empire as an African, an Indian or Aboriginal Australian?’ Given how many like minded folks rail about living under the EU, I would be surprised if you could answer that question with a Yes…

    ‘Do I understand the limitations of end-game capitalism?’ The logical end-point IS unbelievable wealth in the hands of very few. You must be big enough to discuss the value of capitalism in terms of innovation, small business etc etc but ask whether conglomerates’ power becomes a bad thing in terms of societal well-being.

    ‘Would I tolerate having all my private thoughts stolen by full-spectrum dominance electronic hacking of my life?’ This happened to me when I opposed the Iraq war, not as a socialist but as a humanist. the American and UK security services said: ‘treat him like a slave and a prisoner and steal absolutely everything’. They are far-right capitalists, so you must ask whether you approve of such behaviour. In my opinion, it is everything capitalism should not be – it is mafia criminality masquerading as the security services and it occurs in big corporations on a daily basis. Do you approve of all that?

    I speak as someone from an extended family of teachers who never went into teaching because I disagreed with all the hard left mantras I encountered in the family and amongst teachers.

    Those on the right will find that their simple arguments are just as facile as those on the left.

    It all comes down to who has to suffer the ‘acceptable collateral damage’.

    As long as it’s not you, you turn a blind eye.

    That’s why there is no morality either on the left or the right.

    It’s just self-interest and what deals you all strike with the devil.

    • tjamesjones

      Q1. “Would I tolerate…”.
      A1. I don’t know what that really means, but you could ask “Would I have been better off under the British Empire than under [XYZ]”. It’s a valid question, and for some the answer would be “yes”, for others it would be “no”.
      Asked as a question today, about the past, it too easily mutates into “Am I proud that my ancestors were conquered by a foreign power”.
      Q2. “Do I understand the limit of end-game capitalism”.
      A2. We are quite some distance from any sort of laissez faire 19th Century capitalism. The animus of the British left comes from pretending that is the argument we are having. Fact is we have a massive welfare state.
      Q3. ‘Would I tolerate having all my private thoughts stolen by full-spectrum dominance electronic hacking of my life?’ This happened to me when I opposed the Iraq war, not as a socialist but as a humanist. the American and UK security services said: ‘treat him like a slave and a prisoner and steal absolutely everything’.
      A3. Yes, I’m sure that’s true.

    • Nick

      So what would you have done Popeye?

      • douglas redmayne

        And what about you then?

    • colchar

      Yeah the Empire was so terrible. Look at how African countries were doing under the Empire and how swimmingly things have gone for them since the end of Empire. Yep, that Empire was terrible wasn’t it?

    • Ooh!MePurse!

      There is no doubt whatsoever that free trade has improved the lives of millions of people across the world and will continue to do so. I think that is wonderful. I take it that you don’t. That makes me the progressive

    • Pioneer

      What was life like for African villagers before?

      Do you have the remotest idea how awful it was?

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        They were living in utopian bliss obviously.

    • Apaliteno

      ‘Would I tolerate living under the British Empire as an African, an Indian or Aboriginal Australian?’ Given how many like minded folks rail about living under the EU, I would be surprised if you could answer that question with a Yes…

      Of course that question could be answered with a “Yes.”
      Excluding those former colonies essentially run by the descendants of British settlers, I could only think of one that has consistently and unarguably been run more efficiently since independence.

    • Cobbett

      ”Would I tolerate living under the British Empire as an African, an Indian or Aboriginal Australian?’

      They didn’t have any choice did they?

      • Richard

        Actually, many did. Zambia, Lesotho and Swaziland asked to become British Protectorates. Nigeria begged Britain not to leave, but Labour had its own ideas.

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      Then why is capitalism and corporate greed being championed and encouraged by left wing governments across the globe. Could it be they are that 1%.
      That’s why socialism is a failure. For all its bluster about equality for all there is always a top dog, usually corrupt.
      Left and right lines are being blurred by globalisation. That is the ideology. Party politics is a smokescreen to this as all mainstream parties really support that ideology.
      Lining their own pockets plain and simple.

  • The_greyhound

    Teachers?

    That’ll be the same useless, overpaid crew that has delivered the lowest standards of literacy and numeracy in the developed world? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/young-people-england-have-lowest-literacy-levels-developed-world-says-oecd-1540711

    Time to think about turning quite a few of these prating dolts over to the shelf-stacking careers nature clearly intended them for.

    • Ooh!MePurse!

      Please don’t judge us all by that very low standard. I worked in the private sector for 12 years before going into teaching. It was money for old rope. Now work 15 hour days and love it.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Ah, the people you blame the the top-down plans, in minute detail, imposed on them by the government.

      Time to blame anyone but the people causing the issue, right, as you spout social darwinist…

  • paul

    Perhaps it is because they realise that the Nasty Party continually puts the boot into the poor & needy in our Society !!!

    • The_greyhound

      What’s the SNP got to do with it?

    • Nick

      Oh dear.That’s silly comment isn’t it?

    • colchar

      Nasty Party? There is none so small, patty, vile, and vindictive as a Lefty. And pray tell, what has Labour done for the poor and needy?

      • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

        Unions, healthcare…. just two things I can instantly think of. And now I wait for the “unions and strikes” comments which are trotted out at this time,ignoring the other elements such as legal representation, education and training, social functions…. bet they never heard of such things at the Spectator…or prefer to ignore it.

        • Paul Robson

          If you’ve ever been near a teacher whose needed Union help, you’ll know just how cr*p it is. One of the reasons is the Teacher Unions (especially the NUT and NASUWT) are only interested in promoting the well being of the Labour party.

          • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

            Bull feathers…. unions are there primarily to support their members… would it not be logical to say that if the Unions offered nothing to their members then they would not have those members…?

          • Paul Robson

            Many teachers are in it just for the legal insurance (which is cr*p). Unions don’t care about members ; that’s why they did nothing when CS/HLTAs were introduced in 2003 ; teachers know this which is why the response to strike action is so apathetic.

          • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

            I think I will leave the comment “Manu teachers are just in it for legal insurance” to any teachers that are on here… Again I state that Unions representing people in the industries where I work suppply more than just the reason to strike… Education opportunities and bursaries, legal advice and many problems even outside of work.

            Unions do care about members… otherwise why would people become members.

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          That was last century. Why are they now trying to destroy the thing they supposedly created.

          • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

            No… its still happens today… those who cant see that are those who dont want to look.

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      Oh do shut up. Rabid cultural Marxists would rather see a state fail than actually make the hard decisions to maintain a strong viable economy.
      Lefties have betrayed the very people they traditionally represented.

  • colchar

    Those who complain about the Tories doing anything that is ;ideologically driven’ are idiots who are too stupid to understand that every party does that. The only difference being that they disagree with what the Tories are doing.

    • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

      Sadly at the moment Colchar, not only do disagree with what the tories are up to…. I also disagee with whats on offer from labour…. Its a pretty depressing state of affairs really.

  • hearditallbefore

    Hopefully the school that *Joe* taught in will have a right of reply, so we can have two sides of the story.

  • Gordon Beattie

    The one thing that has impressed on me, after visiting my old school, was the poverty of aspiration.
    There was no teacher with outside experience, and career hopes were “Doctor” or nothing.
    Even those wishing to be “Doctors” were given no guidance that sciences would be a starting point.

    • Paul Robson

      The lack of reality is comical. There is this sort of belief that tax money is out of some magic box that never empties. Has to be experienced to be believed. Teachers, for example, believe they are badly paid (they aren’t) and that they’d get lots more in private industry (outside a few in STEM, no-one would look at any of them). And yes, a great many of them are dumb lefties.

    • Anonymous

      Your comment rings very true, I was fortunate not to be educated in Britain and was exposed to a secondary school full of teachers with experience outside teaching, and what a difference it made. The lack of guidance is also very apparent, but then again, if all you’ve ever done is become a teacher, then what else do you actually know about becoming anything else?

  • Ingmar Blessing

    As soon as my business concept is implemented it will take 5 years and then there won’t be any lefties left in the teachers lounge

    check it out: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4255/k94g6f7y_pdf.htm

  • Ooh!MePurse!

    Three out of five of my History department are Conservative We don’t preach but we do talk a lot about the importance of free trade and free speech. And not spitting at or abusing other people for their political beliefs is quite important too.

  • ArtieHarris

    Joe

    “I thought it was part of our job to promote tolerance and challenge orthodoxy. I was wrong”

    Just about all of academia is subject to the marxist/feminist boot – which is why just about ALL of the research coming out of Departments relating to gender issues, economics, sociology, psychology etc etc is phony.

    The ideology comes first, and then the “research” is manufactured to support it.

    I saw this beginning to happen in universities throughout the 70’s.

    And today, you can now trust nothing that comes out of academic departments – unless they are in the hard sciences. Their “research” is little more than propaganda masquerading as research.

    For example, Professor Murray Strauss describes the types of chicanery in which feminist academics engage in order to support the feminist agenda.

    They include suppressing evidence, hiding data, citing only studies consistent with their agenda, falsifying their conclusions, obstructing publication of articles, blocking funding, demonising other academics and, they also “Harass, Threaten and Penalise Researchers who Produce Evidence that Contradicts Feminist Beliefs”.

    In such a hostile climate, hardly any academic dares to produce research that contradicts left-wing dogma.

    As a result, the ideology now rules, and the “research” is mostly phony.

    BTW, in America, 98% of professors vote Democrat.

    (I never cease to be astonished by this.)

    • Mr B J Mann

      Why?

      Because it’s not 100%?!

      • ArtieHarris

        LOL!

    • Hagen vanTronje

      “”They include suppressing evidence, hiding data, citing only studies
      consistent with their agenda, falsifying their conclusions, obstructing
      publication of articles, blocking funding, demonising other academics
      and, they also “Harass, Threaten and Penalise Researchers who Produce
      Evidence that Contradicts Feminist Beliefs”.

      You would get the same response if you announced that you doubted Climate Change.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Ah, conspiracy hate for academia, right.

      Your distrust for science… all science, since obviously you only consider your ideology hard…

      As you wonder why people don’t vote for people openly hostile to them!

  • gozur88

    I thought it was part of our job to promote tolerance and challenge orthodoxy. I was wrong.

    Heh heh. That was before the long march through the institutions. You’re not allowed to challenge leftist orthodoxy. That would make you a bad person. Completely beyond the pale.

    • Richard

      To be beyond the pale is good in the UK, but only in an ethnicity way.

  • Pioneer

    Western civilization is doomed.Won’t be long now.

  • sidor

    The history teaching in schools has nothing to do with whatever science: it is ideology. Any society has its own ideology, and the children are brought up in it. One cannot teach the history of the 30-years war in a similar way in Austria, Bavaria and Northern Germany. Therefore, teaching history is a deeply political matter which has to be decided outside the school administration. It is not their business to define the national ideology. If this issue hasn’t been settled, it is a huge national problem. A symptom of disintegration.

  • GhostofJimMorisson

    I’ll never forget the time I walked into the office of a secondary school history department and was greeted with posters of Mao, Lenin, Stalin and other mass murderers. God knows what they were teaching the kids.

  • Richard

    I was in the same position, in a school in Surrey, during the buildup to the Afghan campaign in 2002. The vice-principal paraded up and down during morning assembly, and when she took to the podium, she told the children (children!) that they should participate in marches against the invasion, because it was wrong, and it was wonderful to march with other people who had the “correct” idea about the proposed campaign. A black child at the school smashed a chair right in front of me, and suffered no repercussions at all, apart from accusing the staff of “racism” and having inspectors and all sorts of people descending. Lessons were biased as you describe, and it was impossible to discuss anything in the staff-room. White children at the school told me that this child had told them, “I’m black and I can do what I like.” I remember, at another school, trying to explain about witch-kilings, zombies, corruption and dictatorships in Africa, to be met with glazed looks and people moving away from me to chat to others.

    The agency, I remember, asked me what I would say if anybody asked me how I could be white and come from Africa, and I replied I would say in the same way as there are now black people in Britain. I was scolded about that quite harshly, and told that under no circumstances was I to say such a thing.

    How sorry I feel for children at British schools. They are betrayed by their state, and by teachers who are only interested in their own ideology, and propagating their own brand of politics. What I saw there left me in no doubt whatsoever that this country is way past its sell-by date, and there is no going back. Nothing that has transpired since then has made me change my mind one iota. Those children are now voters, trainee-teachers, students, and so on, and are spreading the rubbish with which they were infected. This really is a terminally-ill society, and all we can do is be palliative care nurses as the patient dies.

    I left teaching, by the way. It was soul-destroying.

  • Hagen vanTronje

    The indoctrination of Schoolchildren started off as one of Wilsons semi-secret, five year plans.
    Our Neighbour left his well paid job as Master Electrician to join a Teacher Training College, he told my Father he ,”wanted to help indoctrinate all those young minds”

  • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

    Funny, in the whole of my time in both schools and colleges, not once did I ever get any kind of politicl indoctrination from teachers or anyone else who took classes… This wouldnt be the Spectator again looking for something “shocking” to play to its audience….?

    Still, now I know why I dont bother with anything they publish… This article only proves me right.

    • Paul Robson

      The likely reason being you are so far off to the left you wouldn’t notice. It’s endemic. It appears in exam papers too ; not the use of the occasional Ahmed rather than Janet and John ; there was (for example) a maths question which showed the deteriorating levels of fossil fuels and the question was something like “explain how this shows the need for investment in green energy” or some such. Which it doesn’t.

      In my own subject, there was an A2-level IT practical test (these are supposedly done in exam type conditions … ha ha) which was about setting up an auctioning system for houses. The specification was absolutely full of green cr*p which was completely irrelevant – like for example the houses being made of environmentally friendly materials – which had absolutely nothing to do with the project (it would have made no difference if they’d been made out of nuclear waste), and there was lines and lines of it. First thing I did was to rewrite it taking all the green propaganda out simply so I could figure out what they were supposed to do.

      What made it *worse* was there was so little spec. there you couldn’t figure out reliably what the useless morons who wrote it wanted. Instead of writing a working document, they took the opportunity to preach greenery.

      Having said that, it could be worse. I could be a geography teacher, or stuck with science for sociologists.

      • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

        Not endemic in my education… not seen any evidence in the current education offered to members of my family.. Mybe Im not as you suppose “far left”.. but you are just too blinded by your own dogma to see the full picture…

        • Paul Robson

          Which is what ? Referring to the A2 ICT example above ; what was the point of filling up about 40% of the spec with irrelevant green stuff ?

    • oxenstierna

      Congratulations, you are the entire country, so indeed your sole experience is the only proof you need that you are (as you say), proved right.

      • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

        never claimed to be the whole country, as opposed to the article that purports to have evidence of its accusations across all schools.

        • oxenstierna

          You’ve hallucinated that accusation, it’s not in this article.

    • Gilbert White

      Bet yer never got fellated by Miss Cockin in all your time as well? Nor did you get to sit on your uncle Cyril’s lap?

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      Neither did I, but when did you go through the school system? This onslaught started in earnest in the Blair years.
      Thankfully I had gone through the system long before.

      • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

        My question is then where are you getting your information about the teachers behaviour if you left years ago? By your own admission, second hand ( at least) information….

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          -My children are going through it now.
          -Focus on minority religions, you can guess which one.
          -Numerous articles
          -There were never any safe spaces on school and university campuses when I was studying. That ulis a cultural Marxist construct to foster victimhood.
          If you want me to reference specific sources I haven’t got time. I have a bed to build or my kids will be sleeping on the floor tonight.

          • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

            So.. no evidence, a “numerous articles” without any indication of where we can find them comment as evidence.. I leave the readers to judge on that..

            But LRR.. I will say thanks for your comments, its been a pleasure to chat without the usual insuts flying.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            What do you think I am. A walking repository of articles I’ve read over the years. Who does that?

            Now that I have time.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10565264/Left-wing-thinking-still-prevails-in-schools.html

            http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/drmartinstephen/100229479/left-wing-bias-in-the-school-system-extends-far-beyond-politics-a-level/

            http://mancunion.com/2015/11/24/left-wing-ideology-stifled-debate-schools/

            But the you go. Will that do?

            By the way I don’t recall insulting you in the past. If you are talking about exchanges with Leon Wolfeson then he evokes that response from everyone.

          • http://batman-news.com Barri Winstanley

            Hello LRR.. in a spare five minutes I have had a look at your references.. so far I have investigated the “Mancunion”, which appears to be a student magazine in Manchester.. and having asked a few people around Oxford Road, the Manchester student area, no one has ever heard of it.. So as a minority student publication I doubt it holds a balanced opinion. The two Links from the Telegraph I will take a look at. But as a notorious Tory rag again I doubt it will contain unbiased reporting

            If I get chance this week.. Ill be back.

            As for my comment “without insults flying” its exactly what it says.. Thanks for the debate without, as many do, ending each post with some form on invective.

    • Guilttripjunkie

      Maybe not from teachers, but the curriculum coverage of the Atlantic Slave trade is pure quasi Marxist nonsense. The fact that Britain was largely a mono cultural white country up until the 1950’s is also ignored.

  • Jingleballix

    Name and shame the school……..

    ……..and its fatuous teachers.

    • hearditallbefore

      Yes, I totally agree.Then we could see and read the other side of the story.

    • Guilttripjunkie

      Its in the curriculum and core text books.

      • Sue Smith

        Yes, and this is where it is TRULY disturbing. The education boffins are industrial-strength group-thinkers and if you say anything about this you’re bullied; you know the by-now-familiar routine – racist, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-feminist, anti-everything that sandal-wearing, meusli-chewing, polo-neck-wearing luvvies and lycra-obsessed bike-riders LOVE. In short, “the bubble people”.

        Then there is the private education system where they are mercifully free of this kind of cant for the most part. My children went through the Catholic system and to this day – eldest nearly 40 – have never complained of ideology or lefty views being promoted. And, before you say anything about my comments, they provide REAL equal opportunity by having disciplined classrooms where EVERYBODY can actually learn! One might say these espouse the “don’t tell me, show me” model!!

  • LittleRedRidingHood

    The cultural Marxist cancer is infesting our institutions and starting to affect our kids in their formative years.
    Some of the things that my son comes home with is simply historical fantasy. There is also an unhealthy focus on Islam .
    I’m instilling rational critical analysis skills in my kids. The teachers won’t like it but I’ll be damned if they are going to poison my kids.
    If they have a problem with it they can talk to me.

    • Guilttripjunkie

      The History KS3 coverage of the African slave trade is pure quasi Marxist anti white man guilt tripping. The role of Africans as willing participants in the trade is simply airbrushed from history. The fact that slavery predates the Atlantic triangle period by millennia and still survives today is conveniently ignored. Blame it all on evil whitey, is the standard Marxist influenced theme in this topic.

      • The BBC Sucks BBCs

        I bet the role of Muslims & Jews in the slave trade is also airbrushed.

        • Guilttripjunkie

          It isn’t mentioned, only evil old whitey was involved in the slave trade.

        • MathMan

          No, but the role of Africans who sold their own people to the slavers is rarely mentioned. In the modern world the white man is blamed for all the world’s ills when in fact the reverse is true.

    • PaD

      Might be useful to ask which staff inc head have been on Common Purpose courses..or if any of lessons have any input whatsoever vis Common Purpose.

  • TrulyDisqusted

    You should have told the head you are Muslim.

    He’d have promoted you to the Head of Department. The way to survive and thrive in the public sector is to adopt victim status.

    The more pathetic you are, the farther and faster your rise.

    • Sue Smith

      To a point that’s correct, but not always. Usually promotion is a direct result of belonging to the dominant ideological block (left) without actually having to say anything. Once you speak up and say you’re not a lefty that’s a deal breaker as far as they’re concerned. Best to keep quiet and continue to play the game. Even the most inefficient classroom teacher can then be promoted.

      Then there are those few who do not espouse political allegiance but who are so demonstrably talented they get the gig. Our best friends’ son fits that criterion.

    • The BBC Sucks BBCs

      Being gay also earns you extra oppressed minority points.

  • outlawState

    “I was a supply teacher on a zero-hours contract and was worried about being sacked.”

    Not a great place from which to start to try to reform the British communist state system. The Stalinist purges should have informed you of all people, a historian, that those who resist communism will be severely persecuted.

    • Snowmuncher

      A Lesbian feminist Muslim who has suffered FGM is an almost guaranteed fast track to head teacher, especially when combined with victimhood and extreme ostentatious virtue signalling. An example of the latter would be moving out of your Islington council house to the garden shed and allowing 20 young male north African migrants direct from Cologne to take over your home while waiting for an asylum decision, and the zenith of such an outpouring of victimhood would be a brutal 2 day long gang raping during a midnight trip to the bathroom.

  • Sue Smith

    Absolutely the same mentality in state schools in Australia; at least in NSW. There are a few exceptions of course, but the ‘understanding’ is always that one if a Labor voter and lefty. I cannot tell you how much that stuck in my claw; so my only revenge was to strip away ideology when I was inside the classroom doing the teaching!! Yes, that felt good.

    • The BBC Sucks BBCs

      Good work.

  • willshome

    If this “history teacher” trots out the 1976 financial crisis as the result of Labour policies with no mention of the world oil crisis there may be a case to answer.

    • Tubby_Isaacs

      Or indeed the policy of the Heath Government.

      And the argument that cuts are required now is basically rubbish too.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Of course we shouldn’t cut expenditure. We should simply keep spending money that doesn’t exist. ‘You know it makes sense’.

        • Tubby_Isaacs

          I’m agreeing with most academic macroeconomists here.

          • truewest

            What is it about the idea that printing money (which is what the Government is doing with deficit financing) is possibly not a good idea? Worked for Germany in the 20s’ and Zimbabwe, Argentina and others more recently didn’t it? Oh, wait……

            And how many jobs or businesses have your academic macro economists ever created? BTW how many jobs or businesses have you ever created?

          • Tehy

            considering the general ill health of almost every major economy (China crashed, America looks to have another recession, the EU is a mess) which followed those policies…have you considered that these guys might not know what they’re talking about?

      • truewest

        1.6 trillion pounds of debt, about 24,000 pounds per person, which is even worse since fewer than 20% of the population pay any net taxes after the “free” services they receive.

    • truewest

      Oh yes, except for that world oil crisis everything was going great in 1976. Socialism was working a treat.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Try being a conservative Christian and involved with education. Its just as bad.

    When, for instance, you protest that the language that the drama teacher insists that the children use in ‘plays’ is quite unsuitable, and point out that if I used it would get me banned from the premises, they simply look at you as if you were dense, and then proceed to tell you that they ‘know all about theology’ – whatever that has to do with it!

  • Tubby_Isaacs

    I love these pieces, where some unnamed people at an unnamed school were bowled over by the remorseless argumentative power of the writer- which strangely goes missing in this particular article. (eg the silly idea that cuts are needed to prevent a 1976 Crisis. Or that the British Empire has a unique claim to democracy, and even left it in place anywhere much, or that it even left capitalism behind).

    Common Law, I’ll give you that as something positive.

    Basically “I wasn’t kept on because my face didn’t fit”, isn’t it?

  • The BBC Sucks BBCs

    The leftwing & apty named NUT were/are silent about Trojan horse, they’ve brainwashed the younger generation into being pro EU, their obsession with multiculturalism has resulting in white working class boys doing the least well in schools, they’ve churned out morons who are out competed for jobs by Eastern Europeans who are proud of their country, culture & work ethic & who have English as a second language. We need schools vouchers so everyone can send their kids to private schools which should teach every kid Cecil Rhodes dictum, ‘to be born English is to win first prize in the lottery of life’ then we can churn out a new generation of entrepreneurs, engineers, visionaries as we did back in Cecil’s day.

  • Arnold Franken

    I was interested in teaching in the UK. I graduated from LSE with a good degree and planned on coming back to do my PGCE after studying Mandarin in China for a year. However, towards the end of my studies in China I was recruited by a international school in a 1st tier city to teach A-level and GCSE Economics. At present I am paid over 32,000 pounds per year and have two months holiday. I live five minutes from the school and pay about 350 pounds per month for my own flat. The students are mostly local Chinese and are excellent in every respect, with many going on to attend elite UK universities despite coming in to the school with a low level of English and having never studied economics before. The school is paying for me to do an MA in education. Outside of my main employment I can do private tutoring and educational consultancy and this brings my annual income up to about 40,000 to 45,000 pounds per year, tutoring rich Chinese children for entrance to UK independent schools. I saved 28,000 pounds last year whilst enjoying a extremely comfortable standard of living. Within the next few years I am on track to be promoted to a managerial role and currently I am involved in recruiting fresh UK graduates from top universities to teach science, maths and economics. I’m 25. Will I come back to the UK and teach? Probably not.

    • An Gíogóir

      You are undermining your fellow citizens chances of getting into University and facilitating the ultimate destruction of British identity by mass immigration.

      • Arnold Franken

        International students subsidize the tuition of domestic students and most Chinese students return to Asia after studying in the UK. If they do remain in the UK they live in the major cities for a period of a few years before returning home due to family obligations and whilst resident make a positive social and fiscal contribution to the UK. The minority who do settle long term in the UK integrate well and don’t cause any social problems. Even if this were not the case I’d still prefer my current situation. Outside of the top state schools and the private sector being a teacher in the UK is almost unbearably crap.

  • Foxy Loxy

    What exactly is a ‘Tory teacher’? I still don’t know after reading this. How are they any different from their colleagues, other than being a little more deluded than their colleagues about the ‘genius’ of George Osborne?

    • Snowmuncher

      “What exactly is a ‘Tory teacher’ ?”

      Err, someone who supports the Conservative party, perchance?

      Talking of deluded did you see Jess Phillips on QT last week? She said that the 126 reported gang rapes in Cologne (and surrounds) – part of the 1000 victims + of attacks almost exclusively by migrants in one night on NYE, were just like the “baiting and heckling on Broad Street in Birmingham every week”. Now THAT’s deluded. And so is this http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/01/the-labour-party-borders-between-nations-will-become-irrelevant-this-century/

      • Foxy Loxy

        Yes, because clearly anybody who asks a simple question on these comment boards is clearly a worker for Cage and a supporter of ISIS.

        What has Jess Phillips wittering on Question Time got to do with the question I pondered about?

        The article seems to consist of somebody moaning about other teachers being mean him because he said that he supported the Tory Party. I’m not quite sure how that makes him such an ideological enemy of those he criticises – and we only have his version of events as to why he was ‘got rid of’.

        • Snowmuncher

          Foxy Loxy “The article seems to consist of somebody moaning about other teachers being mean to him because he said that he supported the Tory Party”

          Really? To me it seems to be belligerent and vocal institutional left liberal ideology, any departure from which leads to isolation and psychological intimidation and bullying. The fact that this goes on in an institution as sensitive as a school is even more concerning. Have you read the book “Liberal Fascism”?

          That you can read that article and take from it that it’s someone moaning about other teachers being mean to him, I find very disturbing. It is the kind of comment I would expect from a Nz sympathiser in early 1930s Germany commenting about someone complaining about enforced ideology in State controlled and funded institutions then.

          You’re aware from what the word Nz is derived?

  • Sue Smith

    Here is a headline story in “The Australian” newspaper today:

    “Activists push taxpayer-funded gay manual in schools”.

    This is the kind of thing which is being promulgated in our state schools now – though in a less overt way, but part of the overall ideological push of the Left – and here is the specific ideology behind this latest move:

    “Whatever the subject, try to work out ways to integrate gender diversity and sexual diversity across your curriculum. Bring resources and ideas to the table at your curriculum planning meetings and start the discussion”.

    So now we have the “Safe Schools Coalition” and their material includes teaching strategies, and I quote:

    “A lesson plan on bisexual experiences requires students to imagine they live in a world ‘where having teeth is considered really unpleasant’. Students take turns telling a classmate about their weekend, without showing their teeth”.

    So, activists want anything ‘unpleasant’ removed from student lives via the classroom.

    This is the era of the politburo and nobody seems to be concerned or doing anything about it. The role of the church has diminished and now ideologues seem to have assumed that role in peoples’ lives. Is nobody going to stand up and call out this damaging rubbish?

  • Marcus

    As a center-right myself, I think it’s wrong to correlate disdain for the empire so highly with leftism, or at least to imagine that that’s the only basis for it. Most British people are inherently thick when it comes to understanding the footprint it left on the world (for a poignant recent example, take Shashi Tharoor’s reparations speech at Oxford) – but they all take the credit for it, however unconsciously. This rankles on many levels. One is uneducated traditional rightists who are simply unaware of any level of detail regarding the empire’s mindset and activities. Many that are aware are in denial. Another, arguably still worse position is the sheer arrogance of the progressive left, with their mindset of “our ideas can’t be wacky, becasue we are British – we are a great people and have been so for so long that I simply must be right, or close enough.” Sadly, both positions are ultimately grounded in the wider concept of British underlying, deeply subversive, almost DNA-level arrogance that no matter how far the country has fallen, and will fall still, “we are great”. Trust me, other great nations (e.g., the Americans) simply don’t have the same degree of glutinous intransigence permeating society. Not as consistently anyway. We stand alone in that regard.

    All that said: Yes, you can be educated, center right, and think that 90% of what the empire did was abhorrent.

    • marc biff

      90%! don’t talk wet.

  • Terence Hale

    Dave as a teacher.
    “Fillet of a fenny snake,
    In the cauldron boil and bake.
    Eye of newt and toe of frog,
    Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
    Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
    Lizard’s leg and owlet’s wing,
    For a charm of powerful trouble,
    Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.”

  • jeffersonian

    To have any chance of breaking our civilisational suicide mission, the Left’s control of the entire education sector, unis as well as primary and secondary education, must be broken. They have been marching through the institutions unhindered for far too long, the result of which we see around us.

  • Andrew Gordon

    Name the school and the departmental head- only by exposure can this insitutional indoctrination be exposed

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