Status anxiety

Who speaks up for poor white boys when it comes to their education?

They are now the lowest-achieving group in Britain

6 February 2016

9:00 AM

6 February 2016

9:00 AM

David Cameron can be a frustrating figure at times. He wrote an article for the Sunday Times this week in which he drew attention to the under-representation of disadvantaged students in Britain’s universities, which he was quite right to do. But he is wrong about the ethnicity of those students and wrong about where the problem lies. It’s working-class white boys who fare the worst, not black boys, and when it comes to broadening access, the track record of our tertiary education sector is pretty good. It’s state schools that could be doing more.

First, a few facts. If you broaden the definition of non-white Britons to encompass all ethnic minorities, including British Asians, they’re significantly more likely to go to university than white Britons, according to an Institute of Fiscal Studies report published last year. That report found that Chinese pupils in the lowest socio-economic quintile are 10 per cent more likely to go to university than white British pupils in the highest quintile. The weakest performers are not black pupils, but white Britons in the lowest quintile. They’re 10 per cent less likely to participate in higher education than any other ethnic group.

Overall, 20 per cent of British students at UK universities are BME (black or minority ethnic), which is significantly higher than the percentage of the population that’s BME — 13 per cent, according to the 2011 Census. The figure for Russell Group universities is marginally lower — 18 per cent — and Oxford lower still, at around 14 per cent. But that figure is the same as the Russell Group average if you strip out London universities. True, black students are under–represented at Oxford and the success rate of black applicants is below average, but that’s largely because so few apply — only 281 last year, out of 11,729 applicants in total. And those who do tend to apply for the most oversubscribed subjects like law, medicine and PPE.

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Oxford spends over £6 million a year on outreach programmes target-ed at disadvantaged groups, and the university takes contextual data into account — such as the quality of school the applicant goes to — when deciding whom to interview and whom to make offers to. But the university doesn’t flag applicants’ ethnicity, partly because that’s legally problematic. Having said that, there’s no evidence that BME students are under-represented among the 10 per cent of British Oxford undergraduates from the most disadvantaged households. On the contrary, they’re over-represented. It’s white boys from these households who are almost unheard of at Oxford.

The same is true of Cambridge. I appeared on Channel 4 News earlier this week to discuss this issue and a Cambridge graduate called Tony emailed me to say that in the three years he spent there, he never met a single white working-class student. ‘I am from Bermondsey and I never met one student at Cambridge who was authentically working class,’ he wrote. That’s anecdotal, but it’s borne out by other stories I’ve been told by the handful of white working-class boys who’ve made it to Oxbridge.

According to a report published last year by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, poor white boys are the lowest-achieving group in Britain, with just 28 per cent getting five GCSEs at grade C or above, including English and maths, in 2013. That was lower than poor Pakistani boys and poor black Caribbean boys (who were, until recently, the worst performers). By contrast, 74 per cent of Chinese boys on free school meals hit that target, and poor Chinese girls are the highest-achieving group in Britain.

The Prime Minister talked about ‘ingrained, institutional and insidious’ attitudes being partly responsible for the under-representation of disadvantaged groups at top universities, but if he meant racism directed at non-whites, he is mistaken. Inverse racism, whereby academics interviewing applicants from deprived backgrounds are more likely to be favourably disposed towards non-whites than whites, may be closer to the mark.

The real problem, though, is that poor white boys underachieve at school from the age of four onwards. There are lots of reasons for this and most are beyond the scope of the state to do much about, but schools could be doing more. What’s needed is a co-ordinated effort by the Department for Education, local authorities, academy groups and school leaders to raise the attainment of this group. Plenty of powerful people speak up for black boys, now including the Prime Minister. No one speaks up for poor white boys.

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  • nibs

    Quite right Toby.
    I coach rowing at Cambridge University, having been there myself as a student in the 80’s, and I would say that I met more working class white students back then than I come across now. So there’s another bit of anecdotal for you.
    How often did one read those Guardian headlines about “Something must be done…” concerning girls’ academic success (even when the percentage differences were pretty negligible). But now the pendulum has swung the other way…..silence.

    • BeeDubya

      Expect silence – this is the ploy.

      • Neil Saunders

        As I said elsewhere on this thread, in the eyes of our elites the indigenous white working-class male is an enemy to be vanquished.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Yes, you’re the only elite here. And all the rest of the 99%, your enemies.

          • Neil Saunders

            A classic Leon sentence that, like Chomsky’s famous “colourless green ideas…” is grammatically well-formed but utterly devoid of meaning.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, so you refuse to read as usual, right. Thanks for that Tory Toff, keep your nose in the air!

          • Neil Saunders

            What makes you think that I’m either a Tory or a toff, when, in fact, I am neither of those things?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, I was being too mild and nice. A failure of mine, sadly. Well then – as a rich capitalist and quite likely sipping rum on your little island…

          • Neil Saunders

            I’m a poor music teacher who lives in a deprived port on the English coast.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh look, a ham sandwich just passed by my window – flapping orange wings.

            I’m not in fact stupid, so sorry.

            (Note – sarcasm. Much sarcasm)

          • Bram

            If you look into the mirror, Leon, as you doubtlessly very often do, do you fall in love with yourself all over again? Or do you, sometimes, get heavy eyes from looking at the utter tedium you radiate?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, Neil, magical theories about “radiation” now, I see.

            Obvious lying…does not help your case.

  • Fraga123

    ???? White boys? Those things?

    Oh.

  • Graeme S

    They been abandoned by every political class in Britain . Because they don’t do epidemic street robberies, because they don’t do industrial rape. But they do join the army, they do fight our ears and they make wonderful people.

    • goandplay

      Why are they fighting our ears?

      • Neil Saunders

        It’s an easy typo to make, even for a touch-typist, given that “w” and “e” are next to one another on the keyboard.

        Yes, many of these hapless young men have no option (after their wholly inadequate schooling) but to become cannon fodder in Blairite/Cameroon wars fought on behalf of Neocon America.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Oh, so we don’t have a volunteer army in your world…
          …because their education was far too good.

          America..right. Are you from Russia?

          • Neil Saunders

            You’re clearly on some kind of medication that makes you verbally hyperactive, Leon.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “UR”

            Ah, the wild accusations that because I dare reply to Lord Sanders, I must be taking drugs.

    • Andrew Cole

      They have no voice. We need a campaign group for underpriviledged White British Males.

      You don’t get money spent on you, unless you have a campaign group shouting for you on the TV. You also need at least 3 charities devoted to your cause or you’re a nobody.

  • Jon Newman

    Corbyn and Labour

  • Cobbett

    Make your mind up…either they’re working class or they are poor(underclass).

    But the answer is simple…technical schools/colleges. Stop wasting time on useless GCSEs and the fantasy of University.

    • rtj1211

      Why is it a fantasy for poor white males but a reality for poor chinese children??

      • Cobbett

        It’s nothing new is it?

    • Neil Saunders

      They’ll also need jobs at the end of it.

      Oh, I forgot! They outsourced/offshored most of those, or casualised them and gave them to women and foreigners.

      • Andrew Cole

        Lol. Love the idea there. Cancel the free childcare, that’ll save a few billion. Then the mothers will stay at home looking after their kids like they used to and us blokes will have loads of jobs to go at.

        • Neil Saunders

          Yes, you get the idea, even if you appear to mock it.

          • Andrew Cole

            No I do love the idea. Mothers (or Father) looking after their own children instead of chasing money for stuff. Like it used to be. I am not mocking it. I am describing my parents and myself. Hubby working, Mother bringing kids up. In my case was reversed for a few years.

          • Neil Saunders

            Sometimes it has to be reversed, but in general it’s better if the husband is the breadwinner and the wife looks after the home and children. Either way, it’s only possible if one income per couple provides a living wage for an entire family. The corporations and their bought-and-paid-for politicians, journalists, broadcasters, academics, etc., have been desperate to make this impossible, and – alas! – they’ve been immensely successful in their evil crusade (with the assistance of the useful idiots of the narcissist, metropolitan pseudo-left).

          • Andrew Cole

            Depends what you class as an acceptable standard of living when you talk about a living wage. My parents struggle to understand how people say they are struggling yet walk around with shiny new smartphones, their house is filled to the Brim with all the tech and there is no ‘second hand’ or ‘given’ stuff or furniture in their whole house.

          • Neil Saunders

            Yes, Andrew, but it’s all on hock in our Wongaland, credit-crazy economy.

          • Andrew Cole

            But then people include the credit payments when they talk about the cost of living.

            Both parents are working these days because people want a higher “standard of living”. The problem is that these days the “standard of living” isn’t anything to do with living a great life. It is all based on materialistic things and image.

            Keeping up with the Jones’ is very old hat. Everybody is the Jones’ these days.

          • Neil Saunders

            People who are savvy about money do, Andrew, but I think they’re a minority and that most just hope for the best and make it up as they go along. I don’t think that both people in a married couple choose to work simply to buy material things; they are compelled to do so because, in real terms, things like housing are far more expensive now than they were before the housing boom, which began back in the 80s, and it now requires two incomes to pay high rents or service a mortgage.(Obviously, high levels of immigration, while driving wages down (by increasing the labour surplus), also push property prices up (by stimulating demand), which is why big business and the banks love open borders so much.) There are also more regressive taxes now than there were in the 50s, 60s and 70s, which inevitably hit the poor harder than the rich.

            I agree with you that it’s important not to confuse quality of life with, say, per capita income or having lots of consumer goodies, and it’s also important to remember that social capital (abundant in the 1945-75 era) is something that, while it is essential to a properly functioning society, is (unlike financial capital) impossible to quantify in fairly precise terms. (Our mainstream economic pundits, of course, only like something that can be so quantified.) It can exist even where the material standard of living is comparatively low, although widespread poverty generally results in wretchedness.

          • Andrew Cole

            I pretty much agree, although people’s idea of a better standard of living is long past spending time with family, having a picnic and a nice garden and is now much more of a case of earning more money (which often means less time with family,) going out for a meal (because the picnic is for poor people) and the nice garden would take too much effort. The latter could be blamed on Titchmarsh and his love of gravel and concrete.

          • Neil Saunders

            Triviality-and-distraction merchants like Titchmarsh are a symptom of a larger media-led campaign of cultural conditioning (often via what has been termed “predictive programming”, inserted into films, TV shows, popular music and the curricula of educational institutions), rather than the root cause. Since at least the early career of Edward Bernays, the shift in people’s attitudes has by no means been organic and spontaneous, and the propaganda has grown at least apace with the expanded technology. Read Jacques Ellul passim.

      • Cobbett

        Most grads are in jobs that don’t need a degree…well worth getting in debt for.

        • Neil Saunders

          Yes, the insane expansion of so-called higher education is another can of worms that needs opening up.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah yes, the insane idea of keeping our graduate rates vaguely competitive.
            (They’re not, and falling)

            You want to massively downskill Britain, right.

          • Neil Saunders

            No. I want rigour restored to education from primary school upwards. The present university system warehouses not-very-bright kids for three or four years at their own (or their hapless parents’) expense, and then confers a worthless qualification upon them.

            In the 60s and 70s a clutch of O Levels was sufficient for most purposes, before the educational currency was devalued. Degrees, for the academically-gifted minority, actually meant something, and guaranteed real jobs in a real economy.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, you want to abolish education and put in a new system of “rigour”ous indoctrination.

            As you decry the current international recognized degrees, wanting Certificates of Ideological Pureness instead, in your dislike of younger people today.

            Then you whine about how in some past time, low-paid workers had lesser qualifications. That the past should magically be restored. It’s gone, you need better educated workers in today’s marketplace.

          • Neil Saunders

            No, I want real education as opposed to the dumbed-down substitute (which, in actual fact, is far closer to indoctrination).

            In real terms workers in the Consensus Era (roughly 1945-75) were better off than their present-day counterparts. Housing was far cheaper and there was far more job security.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, you want your real indoctrination instead of education, I hear you. Where most kids are failed at 11.

            And ah yes, a time of far lower income and life expectancy, etc.

          • Neil Saunders

            The old Eleven Plus system was unfair (because it was arbitrary and inflexible), but there must be some selection according to ability.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, there “must” be what you demand, never mind the evidence from systems like Finland, and the overwhelming evidence against pre-16 selection.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        Oh right, same old excuses, anything but admit the issue is your capitalism.

        • Neil Saunders

          I’m an opponent of globalist neoliberal capitalism, Leon.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, you’re for your own brand of capitalism, right. One using borders to boost your profits.

          • Neil Saunders

            It’s the advocates of open borders who are concerned to boost profits. I want to promote social cohesion.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You want to get rid of those who don’t think like you, right, as you try and conflate all different types of people who don’t agree with you under one banner.

          • Neil Saunders

            Some of the people I’d like to get rid of (in the sense of deport, repatriate or deny entry) would be very keen to get rid of you in a more permanent fashion, Leon, given the chance, if I’ve read your hints about your religion correctly.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Well, your internal issues within your far right are yours.
            And yes, some of them do want to get rid of me, and?

            (The issues with external groups to yours…well, in reality only the far right (and one *completely* drunken idiot who was trivial to deal with) have ever used violence against me, so…)

  • Fraga123

    They are useful as potential organ harvest sources and for manual labor.

  • OldGit

    simple: Milo Yiannopoulos

    • anka

      He’s a very unlikely hero.

      • teepee

        Who seems to spend most of his time salivating over black men.

  • gwallan

    Meanwhile female teachers have been found to be downgrading boys marks when compared to external marking.

    • rtj1211

      Then they should be disciplined and/or sacked for it.

      • BeeDubya

        They will not, nor will they accept their bigotry.

        • Neil Saunders

          No, they’ll simply represent themselves (or be seen by their superiors) as redressing historical wrongs committed by the white racists and sexists of the Patriarchy.

  • italian guy

    What’s this? maybe the mainstream media is catching up to the fact that forced diversity (which is basically ethnic replacement) is inherently anti-European and target white males to humiliate and destroy them in the first place, it will cost this continent its quality and way of life too.

    • visionary_23

      I think what’s happening is Europeans are seeing that there is a dearth of white males who are responding to situations that, in the past, they took for granted they would.

      For instance, during the Migrant molestation of Cologne women, white german men of equal age weren’t around to default “respond” the way I’m sure all of these feminist people still expected they would, and certainly not in the way that they used to in the past.

      In other words, they’re starting to freak out a bit that there’s some consequence to decades of demonizing young white men.

      • rtj1211

        Actually, there’s also the reality that in this day and age, as a man, you first need to evaluate whether you think the molesting male is carrying a knife or not.

        I was in precisely such a situation on a train from London to Leeds years ago, when a hideously drunk young man lurched down the carriage and started talking to a young lady sat on the opposite side of the gangway to me, when it was clear she wasn’t interested.

        I watched the situation for a few minutes because young men like that can turn violent if challenged, so I wanted to make a call on what this yob was like.

        It meant that the young woman had verbal discomfiture for a few minutes, something I apologised to her for once I had made my mind up to intervene and rid us all of the pest.

        Some might think it heroic to get stabbed coming to the gallant rescue of a woman being verbally molested. I and most other men nowadays think it singularly stupid.

        I will do what is right, but not at the cost of my own health or, in extremis, my life. I even escorted the young woman safely to the bus stops outside the station when we arrived at her request…..

        Too bad if women expect more is what I say…….

        • RobertRetyred

          Gays have put themselves in a similar position. They and feminists have become ‘top dog’ in the political and religious arenas, winning SSM and humiliating cake makers, so they need to pull their weight when ‘we’ are being attacked by alien culture.
          If you had ‘got involved’ and been injured, it would have been, ‘men are like that’.

      • Michael H Kenyon

        White men and women who should know better are converting to Islam, and the men end up with a submissive wife who has to know her place or live with the consequences You can see how this has it’s attractions to the socially progressive, as roles become very defined. Strangely, it’s Western conservative types who seem to find this a revolting state of affairs.

      • Michael H Kenyon

        White men and women who should know better are converting to Islam, and the men end up with a submissive wife who has to know her place or live with the consequences You can see how this has it’s attractions to the socially progressive, as roles become very defined. Strangely, it’s Western conservative types who seem to find this a revolting state of affairs.

    • Neil Saunders

      Not the MSM as a whole, but a few eccentric redoubts like The Spectator.

      The indifference to the question posed by Toby Young is illustrated by the scant number of comments on the thread so far (at the time of writing, about 14 or 15 for an article published over a day ago).

  • Gilbert White

    The modus operandi is three concentric wings of swirling dervishers with the protected inner wing doing the groping. Any number of men would not have altered this outcome without serious intervention.

  • evad666

    Well Labour with it Feminist and islamist tendencies no longer gives a fig for white kids.

  • Paul Ivey

    Are institutions have become feminized and are deliberately sabotaging white boys’ education. No advocacy, no help, no nothing.

  • Neil Saunders

    Your question is undoubtedly a rhetorical one, Toby, but I’ll answer it anyway. Nobody speaks up for poor white boys when it comes to their education (or a good many other necessary things for a decent life), if you’re referring to the members of our elites. Why would they, given that they see them as an enemy to be vanquished in the name of their (i.e. the elites’) multicultural utopia, rather than as clients at least as deserving of their support and encouragement as anyone else? (Incidentally, David Cameron, like almost everyone in the upper echelons of British politics, is seldom anything other than “frustrating”, and addicted to posturing (e.g. his hawkish, Blairite foreign policy) and virtue signalling (e.g. his zealous crusade for same-sex marriage).)

    I doubt whether anyone knows the true figures (stated as a percentage of the whole population – itself unknown with any precision) for any racial group in the UK (given the cluelessness of the Home Office on such questions), but if your figure of 13 per cent for “BME” people overall is accurate, in what way does the figure of 14 per cent at Oxford under-represent them (unless you are merely considering all of those in the age-group of the current cohort of university students, in which the percentage of “BME” people will inevitably be higher)?

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Plenty of people do, against people like you. As you talk about yourself, elite, and talk about your monocult (Christian only, right), etc.

      As you signal for discrimination and bigotry, enforced by the state, right.
      As you ignore the ONS figures…

      • Neil Saunders

        You haven’t read a bloody thing I wrote, have you, Leon? I’m NOT a Christian, I’m an atheist. As for ONS figures, well, we all know that there are lies, damned lies…

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Yes, your personalities deny stats when it dosn’t suit you, and I see – you’d also go after Christians. Sad.

          • Neil Saunders

            Have you ever read Darrell Huff’s “How to Lie with Statistics”? No, I thought not.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No you don’t think do you.

            The statistics are not the issue, but biased inferences being drawn from them – oh, and even more the people don’t want them to exist as they don’t support their views.

          • Bram

            J. Hieronymous Christ, watching paint dry is more exciting than wading through your hot air contributions. Can you write one post, just one, only one, in which you actually address the points brought forward by the person you are supposedly debating with in stead of spouting self-referential guff? As Neil correcttly asks: you don’t read a bloody thing that’s written here, do you? Exasperating shill.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Well, as you fantasist and whine rather than reading them…

            Thanks Neil, for your signing your post appropriaately – ” Exasperating shill.”.
            Quite.

    • teepee

      The main cause of anguish is that the wrong types of ‘BME’ people are succeeding: not enough blacks as opposed to other minority ethnics. It’s all about the melanin.

  • James Chilton

    Who speaks up for poor white boys when it comes to their education?

    Nobody.

    • Richard

      No votes in it. Labour doesn’t care about them, and they don’t care enough about themselves. In fact, they have been denied an identity, and deny themselves an identity, too. Whites in Britain are leaves blowing in the wind, aimless, rootless and meaningless.

      • James Chilton

        White in Britain : A bleak view. Assume you include yourself in the aimlessness etc?
        This parade will pass. Just don’t ask me when.

  • JEK68

    No one cares because it doesn’t fit their narrative of institutional racism. They have taken this argument from America where they have a historic race problem, Britain however has a historic class problem, but they want to fight the civil rights campaign of 1960’s America, so they just pretend there is a problem.
    Its also just cultural, growing up (white working class) it was never even suggested to me or anyone around me that we could go to Oxford or Cambridge type places (not teachers, parents or anyone) and no one really cared about succeeding because intelligent people were bullied and considered weird. Culture is the most overlooked aspect in most issues.

    • sarahsmith232

      So agree. The paternalistic Left refuse to accept that culture is the cause, not inequality. Difference for me though is that I don’t think the way culture holds them back operates in any way differently from Grammar school kids, private school kids also being just as at the mercy of their cultural drives.
      The general thinking is – feckless, unconcerned, irresponsible parents don’t encourage study, plus teachers that don’t believe in the kids so don’t encourage uni’ routes. You know, I don’t think that. For me, what’s always overlooked is the need for we all to best be able to spend our lives surrounded by our own. I remember being about 13/14/15, at that age you already know what and where the types of people that are going to be most like you are. For me it was absolutely nowhere near what it was I was having to grow up surrounded by and couldn’t manage to get the f. . .ahem, away from fast enough. Most from a w.class background want to stay surrounded by their own though, it’s who they most gel with, who can ‘get’ them, who it is that they most like.
      No different from Grammar School kids, they’re making life choices at the same age to also better enable them to get to spend their lives surrounded by their own. ‘Course their own own is – educated, graduates, professionals. Same deal with the private school kids. I don’t think it’s the clueless w.class kids that are making bad life choices, I think it’s the fact that becoming a professional means they’ll have to spend their lives working in offices surrounded by people they have zero connection to and feel really very alienated by. They get that at 14/15, so have zero motivation to go down that path.
      What we need is a type of a politics that help the most amount of people to be able to create a life for themselves where they feel like they’re able to live and work surrounded by their own. Instead we have unconcerned and unconnected Toff’s in power that can only understand that being a good Tory means creating an ever more ‘open, global, trading’ society. We’ve got airheads in power.

  • sarahsmith232

    This all makes me so angry. 13yrs of a Labour party headed up by Oxbridge educated class snobs with nothing but the most skin crawlingly disgusting contempt for the white working class set all this in motion. Now we have a load of Oxbridge educated class snobs with nothing but the most skin crawlingly vile contempt for the white working class that speak slightly differently, they’ve all now got a different kind of accent, but it’s the exact same class based contempt.
    We need some politicians that are able to understand that the white working class are not all thick, racist, islamophobic, fascist Nazi’s, etc etc etc, and so have some worth. For the last 20yrs they’ve all believed us far too backward to be worth listening to.

  • Tickertapeguy

    One issue that will help poor white boys is article like this. Their plight needs more exposure and the British Media could do a lot in this regard.

  • ohforheavensake

    Erm, Toby? Maybe I’d believe you if you weren’t the guy who supported Gove’s Free School system, and if you weren’t the guy who supported a party that hiked tuition fees to £9,000, and which has just replaced grants for poorer students with loans.

    But you are: which makes this article an exercise in hypocrisy. Which, for you, is pretty much par for your nasty little course.

  • Dominic Stockford

    “No one speaks up for poor white boys.” Unless you want to be called a racist….

  • Tony

    Well said Toby, you are a man with some influence please use it to help these poor young boys get the help they deserve. They may not be ethnic they may not be gender fluid and they may not be left wing thinking middle class but they should count as much as anybody else.

    • Count Spencer

      What a snivelling comment.

      • Tony

        I merely point out the disparity.

  • Ingmar Blessing

    Maybe the industries for beer, football and tuning equipment should take care of them. I guess they’re their best customers.

  • Oh_take_some_responsibility

    Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: when asked in a TV interview what she thought of white people, she
    responded: “I don’t like them. I want them to be a lost species in a hundred years.”

  • Plantagenet

    Who will speak up for the poor white boys? The answer is, quite obviously, no one. They’re the only group that it is both safe and acceptable to condemn, ignore and despise. The establishment just quietly hopes that they’ll be gone in about 50 to 100 yrs time and, on current trends, they’re probably right.

    • MikeMSN

      Yes we must indeed hope that they are gone. In fact we need policies which encourage the whole population to be middle class, and I say that without irony. We need a population whose culture values self-reliance, treasures education, and expects to be owner-occupying. At the moment we have a culture which encourages dependency by confiscating National Insurance as another tax, and breaking the link between work and the fruits of labour. And owner-occupation is on the decline because of pathetic housing policies.

      • Oh_take_some_responsibility

        I don’t think it is the “class” element that they want gone.

  • Count Spencer

    Poor Toby, your attempts to make good with the population that you and your wretched father betrayed many years ago are not good enough.
    I advise that you stick to talking about your homoerotic love of Game of Thrones and leave the mess you and your father created to your less hypocritical colleagues.

  • Suzy61

    Poor white boys used to go to Technical Colleges and learn a trade or serve time with a local business.

    That was, until some numpty decided that at least half of them would be better off wasting time at a Metropolitan University and the other half could flip burgers for minimum wage. The real dregs could languish on the dole.

    Unsurprisingly, those who went to Uni dropped out, those who flipped burgers were ‘replaced’ and now they all languish on the dole.

    Meanwhile, the EU are providing all our tradesmen.

  • Callaghan Ignorance

    Guardian readers will speak up for poor white boys. It’s middle class white boys that they hate.

    • Oh_take_some_responsibility

      It’s White Males they hate.

  • Teacher

    At the state comprehensive at which I taught the bottom English sets were packed with lively, likeable ,intelligent boys who were lairy, disruptive and who wouldn’t work. Their peers teased them if they wanted to study or do well and their fathers would come to parents’ evenings and tell you they were tearaways in school and that they never read books. The male, working class culture is actively and effectively against doing well at school and it is this that needs to be addressed if these boys are to make any progress. The problem is that the boys are spoilt by their parents and are happy and so they do not see until it is too late that they need to make the most of their opportunities at school.

  • fchap

    Totally agree with Teacher below. Those boys used to have it made and now they don’t. Their peer group and parents can’t accept that they might actually have to do some work to get anywhere. It’s easier not to bother and to whinge about political correctness than it is to put the work in.

  • fchap

    So much entitlement being expressed here! Wake up – the world is a big place with a diverse population. You no longer get to enjoy a privileged existence simply through having the “right” colour skin or a penis. Therefore you have to make an effort. Girls know this, ethnic minorities know this so they make the effort and it pays off. Then we just get to hear the white boys whingeing that it’s not them that get the breaks any more! Come off it. Get off your arses and start grafting.

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