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Britain needs a museum of communist terror

We, unlike the Hungarians, are in danger of forgetting this ideology’s extraordinary death toll

5 March 2016

9:00 AM

5 March 2016

9:00 AM

I went to Budapest last year and did the usual touristy things. I climbed up the hill to the fantasy castle walls in Buda. I took a boat ride. I went to the Turkish baths — edging cautiously into scalding hot water and then summoning up the courage to tip a bucket of cold water over myself.

Finally, I reached the grim end of the tourist trail: the so-called House of Terror. On the outside, it looked like every other Hungarian house on the boulevard. Inside, it was a museum set up in the actual place where first Nazis, then communists, inflicted imprisonment, terror and murder. Visiting it was a powerful emotional experience. You see the actual basement cells where prisoners were tortured or hanged. There was a ‘standing cell’ with no room to sit down, where prisoners were beaten if they even leaned against a wall. My girlfriend found it so overwhelming that she had to be helped out. Not by me, I am afraid. I had gone ahead and was too engrossed to notice she was in difficulty.

I learned many things I did not know. From Hungary, 600,000 people were taken to work camps in the Soviet Union and half did not return, dying of maltreatment and starvation. There were videos of some of the survivors talking about the horrific way in which they were treated. Of course, I had heard about the millions of deaths that took place in the Soviet Union at the hands of Stalin. Since I have returned, I have discovered that there were mass deaths across the Eastern bloc.

The visit haunted me and recalled to my mind the millions of people who were killed in the Far East, particularly in China under Mao Tse Tung. It also brought to mind the mass murder in Cambodia under the communist regime known as the Khmer Rouge, and in communist Vietnam. And, of course, the terror in North Korea continues to this day. Put this all together and you come to realise that, across the world, the biggest man-made disaster of the 20th century was the terror and death inflicted by communist regimes.

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But is this widely recognised? No. Is it taught in our schools? No. Are there museums to remind us about it? No. The one I visited in Budapest is an isolated case which was set up in the face of considerable opposition.

If I talk to my children and their contemporaries they know nothing about the extraordinary death toll. The historian Robert Conquest estimated that the total number of lives lost during the terrors perpetrated in the USSR could ‘hardly be lower than some 13 to 15 million’. But it could be much higher. The deaths under communism in China seem to come in three phases: the suppression of counter-revolutionaries (at least one million); the ‘Great Leap Forward’ (at least 45 million), and the Cultural Revolution (750,000 to 1.5 million in rural China alone). In Cambodia, it is estimated that between 1.4 and 2.2 million, from a population of about 7 million, were killed. Add all these deaths together and some historians estimate as many as 100 million have died from communism alone.

But awareness of this is fading. The generation that has grown up since the collapse of the Berlin Wall does not seem to understand the connection between communism and terror. Today, they are able to think that communism is the ultimate form of egalitarianism, a perfectly amiable ideology. In Britain and America, the far left is experiencing a surge of popularity.

The future of any civilisation is shaped by its understanding of the past. That is why we consider it important to create museums of the Holocaust to remind us of the evils of anti-Semitism. You find them in Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic and elsewhere. Last year, David Cameron announced that a national Holocaust memorial and learning centre would be built in London, with the government contributing £50 million to the cost.

Perhaps we should also create a permanent reminder of what communism did to humanity and could potentially do again. I would like to suggest that a Museum of Terror be created in London, too. If supported by MPs, covered by the media and visited by parties of schoolchildren, it could help ensure that background knowledge of comrades Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot was as widespread as awareness of Hitler and Churchill.

But if we are to create such a museum, we need to start quickly. For me, the video testimony of survivors was the most powerful exhibit in Budapest. Such testimony needs to be gathered from around the world while those affected are still alive. In order to put together such exhibits we would need major donors. And the need for this is pressing. If we do not create it, all this will be forgotten.

James Bartholomew is the author of The Welfare of Nations and coined the term ‘virtue signalling’ in this magazine.

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  • Rik

    I am shocked you didn’t know James,no.60 Andrassy ut is notorious across the world for the crimes against the Hungarian people but you are so correct the vile crimes of communism must be taught in our schools.Why aren’t they?? nothing to do with our educational establishment being overrun with leftist idealogues who won’t have a bad word said about their pets of course.

    • William Matthews

      Indeed. The various so-called right wing fascist dictators are well remembered but the so-called left wing ones political views become somewhat clouded. …for whatever reason.

      The country balks when someone is called a ‘fascist’, but giggles when someone is called a ‘communist’. Which always struck me as odd, because the communist body-count vastly outstrips the fascist one.

      Today there is a certain chic to having read Mao’s Red Book, but a certain horror at having read Mien Kampf. Vote Labour you love babies, Vote Tory you eat them.

      The Political Left has become incredibly pious. This is why, during the Election, that I liked to remind door-to-door socialists of a socialist who was anti-vivisection, anti-smoking, vegetarian, pro-workers rights and health, into holistic medicines, against established religions and pro-environment. Plus he implement political policies to aid all these causes to great affect: Adolf Hitler.

      Of course the response was a very religious sounding ‘he wasn’t a REAL socialist’.

      Oh yes he was!

      The real problem is the confusion between Authoritarian, Libertarian, Right and Left, but…

      • The_Common_Potato

        A few years ago I saw an attractive young woman proudly wearing a hammer and sickle sweat shirt. I doubt she would have been seen dead in a swastika top.

        • red2black

          Same the other way round.

        • Wedgie Benn

          She might have been a re-enactor

          • The_Common_Potato

            At Havant railway station?

      • The_Common_Potato

        Lesson for today, William: They’re never real socialists, but utopia is just around the corner.

      • red2black

        Hitler banned Trade Unions. Most ‘workers’ under his regime were either slave or forced. As for being against established religions, Protestant and Catholic churches remained open throughout the War, in part to maintain a normal civilian lifestyle for German citizens, which included women not being expected to work in factories or take up arms. Socially, Hitler was Conservative in the extreme. His Will has recently been published and researched, and it seems that our man was a real Capitalist, virtually without equal.

        • William Matthews

          Well, here’s a quote from him:

          “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions”.

          To be fair Mao, Stalin, Polpot and many other Socialists, once they get power, they gain more than just a whiff of Capitalism about them. As per Animal Farm, you can’t tell the pigs from the humans.

          As for the Unions being abolished, as far as he was concerned they were just another political group to be controlled. He even shut down astrologers and psychic mediums.

          The Catholic Church remained open, but the intention was always to supplant it with Nazism. The Church was bullied into silence. Priests who spoke against Hitler, executed.

          You can’t wriggle out of it. The clue is in the name: National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

          • red2black

            There’s nothing for me to wriggle out of. There are lots of quotes from Hitler that can be used to bathe him in any particular political light, except perhaps, for Liberal and Anarchist. I certainly wouldn’t claim that all Nationalists (again, the clue is in the name) are of the same type as Hitler, just as I wouldn’t claim the same for all Socialists, or that all Workers are the same as those who were NSDAP members. Of course there were some extremely brave religious people who defied Hitler, including Jehovah’s Witnesses, who were completely wiped out. Even so, there were clergy who openly supported Hitler because he opposed Atheistic Communism and was anti-Semitic. Hitler said and did all sorts of contradictory things, and there are many aspects of his regime and its leading figures that can only be described as bizarre.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Yeah, the clue is in the name.

            They weren’t INTERnationalist socialist.

            A there’s nothing a leftie hates more, just like the Islamists, than a member of a rival sect of the one true religion.

            Just like the followers of the wrong brand of Islam are branded not real Muslims, in fact not Muslims at all: members of the wrong brand of socialism, the nationalist socialists, are branded not real socialists, in fact not socialists at all!

          • red2black

            Thanks for the clarification.

          • sidor

            Mao transformed a totally corrupted and ruined country into the greatest economic power of the world. If you are unhappy with this result, avoid using your computer which was most certainly made in China, partially or entirely.

          • William Matthews

            What on earth are you talking about?

          • sidor

            Have you heard that China is now the largest economy of the world?

          • Mr B J Mann

            And Mussolini made the trains run on time.

            So what?!

          • JabbaPapa

            And sidor posted endless quantities of utter drivel into the interwebs — so what ?!

          • William Matthews

            No, i’m going to take exception to this because it’s offensive.

            The Communist Party of China has slaved out its people. They make cheaply made rubbish, in disgusting conditions, at rock bottom prices. Its only resource is humans which it uses and abuses to levels that are simply not acceptable. It’s great because you can buy a pair of poor quality jeans for £5, a USB trinket for 50p, a badly copied Japanese product for half price.

            It uses its forced labour to oust other countries from markets, its uses its rampant nationalism and racism to bully other countries.

            The ethics, integrity and history of the great people of China has been eroded at the alter of the failed ideology of Communism. China is not great because of its achievements in technology, science, culture or the arts, which it had been, it’s great today because the CPC packaged up, sold off and exported the Chinese peoples dignity and human rights.

            I find apologies for Mao the murderer of 45 millions people and Communist China today morally offensive.

          • sidor

            A perfect example of incompetent bullshit. Here is the share of China in the world production:
            http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/08/chinas-dominance-in-manufacturing-in-one-chart/278366/

            China produces 90% of computers, 49% of steel and 57% of cement of the world. Look where your laptop is produced. Report the result.

          • William Matthews

            All you’re doing is proving my point.

            Cheap poor grade Chinese steel made by poor underpaid pseudo-slave Chinese workers has swamped the market. Putting other people out of work and feeding the Western Capitalists I suspect you dislike.

            And my Laptop is a Lenovo, a brand bought by China, but made in part still in Japan because the Chinese manufacturing process couldn’t maintain the quality associated with the Former American/Japanese brand.

            Likewise the Lenovo R&D is in Japan. This is partly because Communist doctrine has has taken away the people of Chinas ability to freely think. This is why the Chinese economy survives on copies.

            The computer hardware firm I worked for tried outsourcing the manufacturing of their specialist equipment to China, but they couldn’t meet the quality requirements. They ended up outsourcing the manufacturing to Mexico.

            This is why there is no Chinese Ferrari, no Chinese Sony, no Chinese world wide leading brands at all. Huawei started out by copying Cisco routers, lock, stock and barrel, both products had the same firmware bugs and why they can’t (couldn’t?) trade in the USA.

            This from the country that brought paper, dynamite, Huang Di, and toured the world in 1462 in a vast fleet and built the Great Wall while Britain was invading France in fishing boats.

            Chinese history and culture is fantastic, a beautiful country and people; but Communism strangles it, and holds it back.

          • sidor

            To be sure: what particular part of your Chinese laptop is made in Japan? And what kind of problem do you see with Chinese steel?

            China will send the final four segments of the new Oakland Bay Bridge 6,500 miles to California next month as the 2,050 foot project enters its final phase. A poor quality bridge?

          • Brian Jones

            The fact that the top dogs in China are doing very well now has very little to do with Mao , it wasn’t till Maoism was defeated that China re-emerged from a period of terror. I was in Hong Kong in the days of Mao and remember almost daily reports of bodies floating down the Yellow River out of China as the Maoist purges continued.

          • JabbaPapa

            Don’t have a laptop, you twerp, but as for components for my desktop, predominantly USA, Singapore, Germany, Ireland.

            Can’t be bothered to check, but your % claims seem to be complete rubbish anyway.

          • Gweedo

            China is great in spite of the CPC, not because of it.

          • William Matthews

            Agreed! Very obviously isn’t it?.

            Look at all those leading ‘Chinese’ invitation companies that are Taiwanese: Asus, AOpen, JMicron, LianLi, VIA, Biostar, BenQ etc… A country free of CPC. Taiwan, a country of 23Million people that has cultivated more leading tech brands than all of China with it’s CPC and its billion abused indigenous slaves. Taiwan, a country built by those that fought Mao and his poisonous ideology no less.

            They have to face it, Mao, and all other Communist Leaders were murderous, self-serving scumbags, of the very worst variety. Communism has failed, it has mass murdered, starved and impoverished people where ever it got power. This is patently obvious. And no amount of semantics, historical re-writing, changing the focus of the debate or apologizing will change this very obvious fact.

            Communism has had only 100 years and has made the collective failures of Christianity, Islam, Capitalism look trivial in comparison during that time.

          • Gweedo

            Agreed completely. But do you know this is a discussion forum, right? That you’re supposed to disagree vehemently with everyone?

            BTW, Asus make the best damn laptops on the planet.

          • William Matthews

            They make a cracking monitor too :)

            Disagree? Okay. Han Shot Second. 😉

          • Gweedo

            Greedo! Dammit.

          • Sponsz

            The economic transformation of China took place after Mao’s death when Deng Xiao-ping reversed Mao’s disastrous policies. Mao and communism were responsible for stupendous follies such as the Great Leap Forward which led to the greatest man-made famine in history, and the Cultural Revolution.

            The Chinese have a very expressive phrase for offensive nonsense such as yours – stinking dog farts.

          • sidor

            Mao restored the Empire. His role in history is like that of the first Qin emperor. That historical transformation made possible the following economic buildup. And the Cultural Revolution, performed according to the classical teaching of Shang Yang, was a necessary element in the empire building. Examples of historic failures: Stalin didn’t do the cultural revolution, and his empire collapsed 40 years after his death. Bismarck failed in his Kulturkampf, and his empire collapsed in 1933.

          • JabbaPapa

            crikey, you’re a moron sidor …

          • Colonel Mustard

            Mao behaved like an Emperor alright. One of the most depraved, corrupt, vile Emperors of all time. The Cultural Revolution was a disaster for those murdered, tortured and imprisoned by it and to suggest otherwise simply demonstrates an advanced sickness of the mind.

            Sounds like your Chinese history is rooted in Chinese Communist Party bilge from the 1960s. Move on comrade.

          • sidor

            Stop your Marxist reading, comrade. In order to understand the meaning of the Cultural Revolution, you must read Shang Yang. His book was always on Mao’s desk.

          • JabbaPapa

            Its so-called “meaning” pales in comparison to its inhumane murderous brutality.

          • Colonel Mustard

            I don’t read Marx, having been up close and personal too often with what so many of his disciples have got up to in his name.

            “His book was always on Mao’s desk” is hagiographic Maoist tripe.

          • enoch arden

            One’s geographic position doesn’t help if the education and/or cognitive capacity happens to be insufficient for understanding the situation. Discussing Cultural Revolution in terms of Communism/Capitalism is thoroughly idiotic. Try to read Shang Yang, hopefully it will get through. Insh Allah.

          • Simon Fay

            “Mao transformed a totally corrupted and ruined country into the greatest economic power of the world.”
            Thanks to Harold Shipman we now enjoy the benefit resulting from far greater scrutiny of our GPs. This can have only made the NHS even better. There really ought to be a statue of the good doctor, unveiled by someone who gets grilled by Brillo frequently. Similarly Brady & Hindley made adults more conscious of the vulnerability and innocence of children.

          • sidor

            You regrettably fail in logic. Shipman didn’t transform the GP scrutiny: it was changed as a response to his activity. If you like co compare this evolution with the history of China, Shipman’s activity has to be compared with Opium Wars. This historic insult resulted in a wave of nationalism among the Chinese intellectuals. Mao became the leader of this movement.

          • Simon Fay

            Ouch! Bettered by an apologist for mass murder!! I suppose I ought to face up to Pol Pot being an early eco-warrior who did a lot to promote a Greener lifestyle with a lower carbon footprint too.

          • sidor

            Just an abstract question: do you regard Lincoln a mass murderer? And Cromwell? Or Truman for bombing Japan? Yes/no would suffice for the answer in each case.

          • JabbaPapa

            Answer the questions yourself.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Wondrous tripe. I do hope you are not in any way connected to teaching children or students.

          • JabbaPapa

            “Never mind the Genocide, we’re Maoists”, eh ?

          • Colonel Mustard

            Yuk.

          • Wedgie Benn

            A quote from Orwell, politicians say oppostir of what they mean to gain power,

        • Bob-B

          Stalin’s attitude to trade unions and workers was the same as Hitler’s..

          • sidor

            Specifically what? Did Stalin imprisoned the trade union leaders?

          • William Matthews

            There is only one trade union in the North Korean Workers Paradise. Funny, that.

          • red2black

            That’s the way their employers like it.

          • red2black

            That’s right. Totalitarian and Authoritarian.

          • Wedgie Benn

            But under the Soviet Union,a very poor country due to the Zzars, the wasn’t any unemployment,

        • JSC

          “Hitler banned Trade Unions”
          Sorry but this is another myth of the left. Hitler did not outright “ban” trade unions. After achieving power Hitler banned non-state unions and merged the existing non-state unions into a single union. Having deemed multiple unions as “unnecessary” (given that the Nazi’s had achieved the goal of a socialist state) Hitler replaced the multiple non-state unions with a single state backed union called the “German Labour Force”. The communists did pretty much exactly the same to their unions too. The German Labour Force absolutely was a union in every sense of the word.

          • red2black

            Fair enough. ‘German Labour Front’. Workers weren’t allowed to organise themselves independently.

          • Wedgie Benn

            Consolidated them, ie took away their right to strike, gave bosses power to sack people they didn’t like, introduced pay cuts for public sector

          • red2black

            They achieved the goal of an exclusively Racial and National state. To claim that the DAF was absolutely a Union in every sense of the word is absurd: http://spartacus-educational.com/GERlabour.htm

      • Norse Notion No.9

        “The real problem is the confusion between Authoritarian, Libertarian, Right and Left…”

        I agree and I also find it enlightening to differentiate between collectivistic (socialism and theocratism) and individualistic (libertarianism and conservatism) ideologies.
        As well as rejecting the linear left-right model and instead, suggest a horse-shoe or circular model for plotting and explaining the political/ideological spectrum.

  • venyanamore

    I’ve been to the “Terror House” in Budapest, and while it’s message is extremely important, in places I find it a little too theatrical in presentation.. (Maybe this makes it better for a mass audience, though? Hmm.) I think the finest museum documenting Communist oppression, terror, and tyranny I’ve seen is that in Riga – the life of the Gulag is vividly brought to life without the special effects that the Budapest museum uses. But this is a difference in tone rather than substance. Bartholomew’s case is very strong though – and one that should be followed

    • jimfact

      I am very glad to hear that there are some displays available. It is just frustrating beyond comprehension how children are not being taught the truth about the horrors of Socialism and what it always leads to. Bernie Sanders and all those governments in the EU wouldn’t get 95% of the young vote if they were taught facts about history rather than good intentions gone wrong. Thx for the Gulag tip, if I am ever in the area.

      • Daniel

        We’ve had the NHS since 1945. Where are the gulags?

        • Gweedo

          The NHS proves that you don’t need socialism to have socialised healthcare. The UK is a mixed economy, like most Western countries; all the argument is about what exactly the mix should be. That argument applies to the NHS internally, which is partly capitalistic in the way it operates (examples include drug procurement, service tariffs, GP practices, etc.)

  • jimfact

    I really enjoyed reading this article even though it points something out that few of us can prevent unless we want to home-school our kids and those of our neighbors. Yet, our education system continues to preach the virtues of left wing ideology. So many young voters in the USA are swept away with this Socialist Democrat, Bernie Sanders, and teachers are telling our kids that Socialism is GREAT besides a few horrible people that corrupted the implication of it. That is rubbish, and it has never worked out well; most often turning into Communism or Fascism. I don’t see the difference between Hitler and Stalin as they were both big govt, pro union, anti capitalists, who thought that the average citizen was unable to make constructive choices for themselves. I just want to hit some of these kids on the side of the head with a history book to knock some sense into them. Unfortunately, I feel that no matter how loud I try to protest in comment sections, there are thousands of professional protesters and students out in the street trying to push us in the same direction they did 100 years ago. Cruz 2016! and I won’t be upset with Trump 2016!

    This guy put it well last week:

    10thGenerationAmerican Guest • 9 days ago

    The Nazis were known as the National SOCIALIST Worker’s Party before Hitler took them over and called them Nazis. All he did was put military power behind their ideals. Today the socialists of this country believe in the same ideals that the Germans did before Hitler got a hold of their mantra.

    The same event happened in early 1900’s when Russia with the overthrow of the monarchy after the Bolshevik Revolution, known as the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP) before they changed their name to the Bolsheviks.

    China 1927, Mao’s forces change their name from the People’s Liberation Army to the “First Workers’ and Peasants’ Army” known today as the Red Army.

    In Vietnam which is all Communist now, was pushed into communism by the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) which was the founding and ruling political party of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

    So since you’re a little dense let me point out some glaringly OBVIOUS commonalities in the names of those parties: Workers, Labor, Socialist, and Democratic. So your support of Socialism, no matter WHAT you attach to it (even the Red Army claims to have “democratic socialism” tenets), leads to Communism. Good job, Comrade! You and your socialist/Communist ilk have put our country on the road to Communism. You are indeed the “useful idiot” as Vladimir Lenin once called socialist/communist supporters.

    • red2black

      Hitler banned Trade Unions outright, and he was bankrolled by wealthy Capitalist Industrialists – primarily because he and they were anti-Communist and anti-Semitic. It’s turned out, partly as a result of the publication and investigation of Hitler’s Will, that The Fuhrer was a Capitalist in the finest tradition. Nor was he Socialist in the Marxist sense; his Socialism was Oswald Spengler’s German (hence National) variety. Democratic Socialists accept a system of regulated Capitalism and democratic elections.

    • Bertie

      Superb riposte. Most sensible comment of the day

    • Andrew Cole

      I shouldn’t worry about Bernie Sanders. They are choosing the bullying, lying, covering up, marriage of convenience woman instead.

  • right1_left1

    It seems to me that whether or not the murderous history of political movements is criticised or ignored depends on attitudes to the philosophy of the regimes that perpetrates that violence.
    That is: it is not intrinsic opposition to violence.
    This is clearly to be seen in reactions to Israeli or Arab violence.
    Not killing on such a large scale as was carried out in Russia but killing nevertheless.

    I also believe that without violence progress to more equitable societies would have been much slower.

  • Ozzy Guy

    When the radical Islamists gain the upper hand in Europe later this century, all of this will pale into insignificance…

    • Gweedo

      Can’t say I can see this happening, but certainly IS are the Khmer Rouge de nos jours.

      • Nomis

        Which is precisely why it almost certainly will. No-one sees any threat from all the peaceful Muslims, but as their numbers increase so will their political power. This will lead to increasing numbers of Muslim MPs who will be naturally sympathetic to Sharia. Before you know it we’ll be on the slippery slope to a totalitarian Islamic state. I hope I’m wrong, but history suggests otherwise.

        • Gweedo

          What history, exactly? Immigrant cultures usually end up being diluted by the monoculture, if British history is anything to go by.

          • Nomis

            Not British history, obviously. I was thinking more of the Crusades.

            It’s true that immigrant cultures in Britain have traditionally been diluted by the monoculture, at least in recent history, due partly to a moderate immigration rate, and partly to the demographic of the immigrants. However the birth rate amongst the indigenous population has been on a downward trend for decades. We are now consistently out-bred by immigrants:

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11406700/Number-of-Muslim-children-in-Britain-doubles-in-a-decade.html

            Larger families plus continued immigration have resulted in an unprecedented increase in the Muslim population:

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/muslim-population-england-wales-nearly-doubles-10-years

            I would argue that Islam is a fully-formed totalitarian ideology. It is inherently resistant to change, and many of its edicts are diametrically opposed to those of a free and equal secular Western democracy. One has to wonder how much a Muslim can truly adopt British culture.

            Anyone with half an hour to spare could do worse than watch this enlightening monologue:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

            Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with Muslims per-se. All the ones I have met have been perfectly pleasant. But if I wanted to live in a society similar to Iran’s or Saudi Arabia’s or Pakistan’s then I’d go and move to one of those countries. I don’t see why we feel the need to import their culture here.

          • Adam McBride

            Having been involved with many people in the Islamic community I can assure you that they are not what we should fear. It is nationalism which represents the real problem, the world over, and is the true motive behind most calling themselves “Jihadi’s”.

            I should also note that the term “Sharia” can mean VERY different things to different muslims.

          • Adam McBride

            Having been involved with many people in the Islamic community I can assure you that they are not what we should fear. It is nationalism which represents the real problem, the world over, and is the true motive behind most calling themselves “Jihadi’s”.

            I should also note that the term “Sharia” can mean VERY different things to different muslims.

          • Nomis

            As a middle-aged white British male who was raised in an era before political correctness became the norm, I’m bound to disagree. I think international socialism / multiculturalism is the problem while nationalism / monoculturalism is the solution.

            I grew up in a small Northern town and didn’t come face-to-face with someone other than white British until I was 15. Everyone at school spoke English as their first and only language. We were taught exclusively about British history and British culture, and RE, boring as it was, dealt only with Christianity. No-one had any special needs or followed any strange customs. Everyone got along because everyone was singing from the same song sheet. And it was bliss.

            These days all we hear about is community tensions, bulging class sizes, problems caused by the number of children who don’t speak English as their first language, the need for cultural sensitivity (banning Christmas trees etc.), special dietary needs (bacon / pork off the menu, halal meat) … the list goes on. Multiculturalism tears societies apart and causes problems that far, far outweigh any perceived benefits.

            I would draw a distinction between ethnicity and culture. I know many ethnically diverse Brits whose values and culture reflect my own. The argument is not about the colour of one’s skin.

            I doubt there will ever be a global monoculture, or even if such a thing is desirable. In the meantime I’m of the opinion that cultures are best kept separate along national boundaries. This doesn’t preclude the movement of people between sovereign states of course, but it does require that an immigrant fully assimilates into the host culture. The current trend to create “little Poland” or “little Pakistan” within Britain (or indeed “little Britain” within Spain) is not acceptable.

          • red2black

            Or ‘Little Eton’ in government?

          • Nomis

            Indeed. Jobs for the boys. I’ve always thought that any desire to become a politician makes one inherently unsuitable for the role. The current bunch of spineless fools are selling our country down the river at the behest of their paymasters. Corbyn and the rest of the loony left would do much the same for their own warped ideology. The only sensible rhetoric is coming from the likes of Orban and Zeman in Eastern Europe. Sadly any expression of pride in your country or culture, or any desire to preserve your long-established way of life will be met with accusations of xenophobia or racism in these politically correct times. At least if you’re white.

          • red2black

            There seem to be quite a few forms of Nationalism; from civic through to militant, much of which has been revitalised due to the course of recent events.

          • Adam McBride

            I grew up in Northern Ireland where someone’s belief that national identity was more important than human life could have saw my life ended at the age of four.

            It is not the strengthening of borders that we need (which are but man made imaginary lines), but the removal of them.

            That will not be possible however until we deal with the extreme poverty still present across much of the world (completely open borders now would cause ghettoisation of continents), as well as people’s belief that they are somehow different or better because they affiliate more with one piece of the Earth’s crust than another (a poor way to define oneself).

            I also agree that if there was one official language of Earth and a global Macro-culture, that could also help. It is my opinion however that cultures improve when the constraint of borders is removed. Look at the current influence Japan is having on younger generations in the West, such as how to treat the elderly better. An influence they could not have had if they had not themselves embraced many of the positive sides of western culture. The movement towards a predominant culture must be one of collaboration, not force. Give people a reason to want to assimilate, rather than lecturing them on how you are better, and be open minded about what you can learn from them.

            And can I point out that Nationalism is the source of nearly every modern conflict. It’s hardly part of the solution.

          • Gweedo

            It’s my opinion that cultures and poverty improve with peaceful commerce. I’m not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that open borders are the solution to the world’s problems? All cultures are porous to a greater or lesser extent, and we don’t need to open the floodgates just to exchange ideas.

          • Adam McBride

            Commerce has indeed been a key promoter of peace and globalisation, although it is at risk from nationalist protectionism.

            About borders, I think you missed the rest of my point. Without first ending global poverty and extreme inequality, completely open borders would be a disaster. If extreme poverty and extreme inequality were no longer issues however, people would no longer have a reason to move regardless of borders being there or not.

            In the long run, we should be aiming to eradicate borders relevance, towards the eventual establishment of a federalised world government. This is likely to take at least 300 years though…

          • Gweedo

            You seem to be arguing for and against protectionism at the same time! You say that commerce is at risk from “nationalist protectionism”, but you don’t want open borders until such time as poverty can be “ended” – in each country individually, and without saying how.

            You know that international trade reduces absolute poverty in all countries, right? And that borders are irrelevant to commerce, but vital to people’s sense of self?

          • Adam McBride

            I think we’re having issues with semiotics here.

            I’m not arguing for conservative level closed borders and indeed think we should be taking in more refugees from Syria.

            However, we do need responsible management of borders for now to avoid overpopulation of certain areas or ghettoisation of others. With those limits comes a responsibility however to making the rest of the world better, rather than locking people in a bad situation.

            No borders is the long term goal, were there are no constraints, but that needs other things to happen first (such as bringing the rest of the world up to a good living standard).

          • Gweedo

            Firstly, it’s “semantics”, not “semiotics”. Umberto Eco must be spinning in his grave.

            Secondly, the Conservatives do not want to close the borders. If people are in a “bad situation”, I don’t see how that creates an obligation for me. “We” do not need to “bring the rest of the world up to a good living standard” because some countries have got their act together and are doing so very nicely on their own. Those that have failed to do so have only themselves to blame.

            Thirdly, no borders is not the long term goal. As the EU migration crisis has proven, it is an administrative and security disaster, and has been single-handedly responsible for the resurgence of far right political parties in Europe.

            Fourthly, borders are entirely irrelevant to the movement of capital, which happens to be the only free movement that I support.

            Have a good night.

          • Adam McBride

            Semantics is a part of Semiotics. I would suggest knowing what you’re talking about before correcting someone.

            The rest of your points seem similarly ill-researched…

          • Colonel Mustard

            Elitist snob.

          • JabbaPapa

            Semantics is in fact a part of Grammar.

          • Adam McBride

            Can none of you work google? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics

          • JabbaPapa

            Unlike yourself, I have no need to rely on the extensive errors of that website.

            Get back to us once you have your postgraduate degree in Language and/or Literature.

          • Gweedo

            Did you just look that up? And do you actually read the news?

          • Adam McBride

            No, I just do a lot of reading. That includes the news, or what passes as “news” these days…

          • Colonel Mustard

            Why should we? Because people like you say so?

          • TheJustCity

            Taking your last points first, Nationalism has been a source of modern conflict perhaps. But not Patriotism.

            ‘Give people a reason to want to assimilate’. Are you fifteen? Yeah, plain old freedom democracy and equality is such an oppressive imperialist construct.

            Japan has not embraced multiculturalism; see JP’s policy on Muslim immigration.

            Your opinion that cultures improve when borders are removed is an elementary fallacy. When borders are removed then cultures degrade. Which fatuity leads on to your positing the desirability of ‘dealing’ with ‘people’s belief that they are somehow different or better etc’.; another proposition that’s incoherent. People are different in their diversity. ‘Better’ is moot. One group’s way of doing things may be better for them.- that doesn’t mean it will be appropriate to continue in and amongst other cultures or societies. That’s the thing with cultural leftist multi-cult utopianism, it demands diversity but viscerally condemns diversity of opinion. And ordains the forceful disestablishment of any particular culture that believes in its right to the pragmatic
            self interest of maintaining strong borders.

          • Adam McBride

            Patriotism is a by-product of nationalism, and nationalism is a backwards ideology similar to racism.

            That second point was directed as those “Britain First” types who “promote” our culture by getting drunk and violent towards minorities… Lead by example. If you’re so great, why do you need to force me to want to be like you with violence?

            I didn’t say Japan had embraced multiculturalism, I said it had embraced a lot of western culture.

            If we view culture as a product, opening it to competition through removal of borders will either strengthen it through development or destroy it for lack of quality. Cultures – or parts of them – will survive based on merit rather than state-control. I think that’s a good thing. People are equal, cultures are not, and cultures can persist without borders. Why do you think we have “subcultures”?

            You seem to see culture along “racial” lines. There is only one race, human. These cultures are all human cultures. People are entitled to their own opinions, but this crap about having their own “realities” doesn’t stick.

            It’s hard to go through your last points with lack of paragraphs or clear structure…

            And btw I’m not a leftist, I’m a centrist. Perhaps a left-centrist in terms of social liberalism (not to be confused with socialism or neo-liberalism).

          • Colonel Mustard

            ” . . . nationalism is a backwards ideology similar to racism.”

            So the SNP are similar to racists. Hmm.

            “And btw I’m not a leftist, I’m a centrist. Perhaps a left-centrist in terms of social liberalism (not to be confused with socialism or neo-liberalism).”

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • Gweedo

            Surely you understand that individual people are not to blame for being brought up with certain values? And that those values can nevertheless be pernicious? To give one example, some of the nicest people I know have been raised as Marxists. They are sincere in their beliefs and they are non-violent; but it doesn’t make their belief system any more true or any less dangerous.

          • Gweedo

            Agreed, I don’t see why the UK should accept colonization by an inferior – albeit once great – culture. This is unprecedented in our history. Islamic immigration is quite different from previous waves, in that it actively seeks separateness from the monoculture. Other waves (from the Huguenots onwards) have had separation forced upon them through discrimination, which makes it easier for them to assimilate once there is greater toleration in society as a whole. With Islam this is impossible: you can either be modern, or you can be a Muslim. You can’t be both; hence the collective nervous breakdown that is Islam in the 21st century.

          • Adam McBride

            Not all “Islamic” culture is the same, and in fact many Islamic cultures of the past were very liberal and centrist. The radical right wing version of Islam you think of today is actually a rather young phenomena with origins in the “Wahhabi” movement and Arabic nationalism.

            Most of the muslims I meet are pretty liberal, and in fact that was among their reasons for moving to the UK. We do see the creation of “Islamic” ghettos however as a result of discrimination and intolerance among people who are often accusing them of being intolerant (definition of irony), and that is something which needs to be dealt with not through trying to impose ourselves on them but through trying to build bridges.

          • Gweedo

            I didn’t say Islamic culture is monolithic. As you imply, the form Islamic societies take depends on who is in charge. For example in medieval Spain, semi-elightened rulers allowed a flowering of art within the usual strictures (no graven images). I suppose they get points awarded for not massacring their non-Muslim citizens routinely. So yes, the current vogue for political Islam is indeed an aberration, but that doesn’t mean it’s un-Islamic.

            Your second point suggests that Muslim ghettoes are a result of some vague societal “discrimination” rather than choice. This is classic Marxist nonsense, which says that people are mere prisoners of societal forces, and have no agency of their own. Ask any Muslim in a northern city if they’d like to live in a rural English village and I’d bet you they will plump for the ghetto any time, if only to be closer to a fried chicken shop.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Test

  • sidor

    This Cold War bullshit is imbecilic today. There was no “communist problem”. There was a problem of expanding Russian Empire. What is it about now? Just a bunch of Cold War propaganda warriors failed to retire and try to find an occupation for taxpayers’ money.

    • Bob-B

      When the leader of the Opposition appoints an apologist for Joseph Stalin as his director of communications, there is a bit more of a communist problem than there was a few years ago.

      • sidor

        And what do you think Stalin needs an apology for? For winning the greatest war in history and defeating Hitler’s Germany? It is understandable that the Continental Hitler’s allies are unhappy about this result. But why should anyone in Britain discuss an apology for that?

        • hobspawn

          Here they come.

          • red2black

            Pimp my T-34.

          • William Matthews

            They are as bad as religious apologists, eh?

          • hobspawn

            Not quite. You can reason with religious people. Except muslims.

          • William Matthews

            You can reason with Muslims, just expect to be beheaded afterwards. 😉

          • Adam McBride

            I know many muslims who are very reasonable and peaceful people. Try not to confuse Islam with middle eastern ultra-nationalism…

          • William Matthews

            I appreciate this is part of some sort of 6th Form Activism Course, but please go and read the Qu’ran before trotting out a particularly decrepit statement like this. If a Muslim is peaceful it is either a product of their humanity or they do not have the courage of their convictions. In either case the Qu’ran frowns upon it. Saying Peaceful Muslims is like saying there were Peaceful Nazi’s, and there is little or no difference. Islam is vile intolerant ideology, much like Nazism. Before replying to this and trotting out some more liberal ‘BBC’ themed claptrap, read the Qu’ran. If after reading the Qu’ran, you still believe I’m wrong, we can discuss their theology verse-by-verse. I am very confident, I am correct.

          • Adam McBride

            Reductio ad Hitlerum, eh? Association fallacy is often used when a person has no actual idea what they are talking about, but is seeking to annoy the other side of an argument in the hope of derailing a conversation…

            I have read the Quran, and it’s half a decade since I was in 6th form. Have you actually read it or just searched for out of context snippets to fit your worldview and narrative?

            It’s ironic when right wing persons call other people intolerant while following the bigoted pseudo-logic of guilt by association. Hitler had a moustache, therefore all people with moustaches are Hitler…

          • William Matthews

            I’ve read in on several occasions, and I fail to understand how anyone who claims to believe in it and follow it, can consider themselves peaceful.

            Just because they haven’t, as an example, smote at the head of the unbelievers, doesn’t make them peaceful if they still believe as part of the religion it is proper and right to do so.

            Because the way in which the Qu’ran is engineered it is not possible to reject the unsavory elements by today’s standards, of which there are many, and remain being a Muslim.

            It is not possible, using Islams own theological structure, to be a Muslim and be peaceful in the world as it stands today. The two things are mutually exclusive. Common sense, the Qu’rans own logic, combined with what it says, not what I say, makes it mutually exclusive. Islams own worst enemy is Islam.

            I would ask you to read it again. Read it as a person who accepts that (however unlikely) it is the perfect word of God, but not as a Muslim, read it as if you were a Polytheist, Atheist, Jew or Christian. It is impossible to read this way, and come away thinking Islam is anything but horrific, and in many ways corrupt. Not to mention repetitive, and extremely poorly written in many instances.

          • Adam McBride

            It is said that people will attribute their own meanings to things. If you read it and thought it was violent, perhaps you should look at yourself as the source of that violence?

            Many of the hadith are surely violent (and many Muslims reject them as false), but the Quran says such liberal things as “there is no compulsion in religion”, and the meaning of the word “Islam” itself is “peace and submission”, submission in this context meaning humility. The only violence permitted in the Quran is that which is in self-defense, and even that is constricted to where alternatives are not available.

            There is an issue of certain Saudi translators purposefully choosing to mistranslate certain words to change the meaning to fit their own political agenda. A concerning thing given the Saudi market share in Quran production.

          • JabbaPapa

            All Praise our Muslim Overlords !!!!

            (is that one of tele’s sockpuppets BTW ?)

        • Bertie

          What do you think Stalin needs an apology for?

          Erm murdering 24 million of his own people? that’s 4 times the number Hitler killed.(Not excusing the latter – do I really need to even write this, because surely it is assumed)

          Did Stalin win?
          Did the Russian winter not defeat the Germans marching Eastwards with one eye on France and the English channel?

          If England had stayed out – ergo no America.Would Russia have survived?
          Methinks not.

          As to the rest of your apologist drivel.,Can’t be bothered.

          • hobspawn

            Actually Stalin probably would have lost at Kursk without British intelligence. That is supposed to be the fulcrum of the European war, at least.

          • greencoat

            Correct. The Allies gave too much aid to the Soviets – they should have let those two devilish regimes destroy each other.

          • Philip Bracq

            BS. You guys always inflate your “good” deeds but minimized your crimes.

          • hobspawn

            Yes, the bragging about supplying the Soviets with the detailed up-to-date N​azi battle plan for Kursk was vulgar, wasn’t it? Luckily, nobody listened.

            A fifty year silence isn’t nearly enough. Personally, I think Enigma should never have been declassified, screw the historians.

          • Dr. Heath

            Often left out of the list of Stalin’s numerous and colossally vast crimes against the human race are the carving up of Poland in 1939 and, later, his order to the Red Army in 1944 to halt the Soviet advance outside Warsaw while Joe’s former sweetheart, Adolf, slaughtered Polish citizens who were still fighting for the very cause that had induced Britain and France to declare war – the existence of a free Polish state.

          • Philip Bracq

            Russia won the war and saved us all in Stalingrad. The rest is Hollywood reformating. Just amazing the revisionism going on here.
            The world needs a museum to keep the memory of the amazing massacres and massive genocides of the UK. Massacres still ongoing:Iraq, Libya, Syria and now, Yemen.

          • red2black

            It was the weather what did it. Ivan didn’t have to lift a finger.

          • jimfact

            It’s ironic how this actually played out as it was the Soviets who supported the Nazi’s and participated in empire building to start WWII. Yet after the conclusion of hostilities they received more land (empire) than Stalin ever imagined when they initiated hostilities. So the war started with Soviet expansion and concluded with more expansion. Now, nearly 100 years later, we actually have comments where some think the West owes apologies or gratitude to Stalin? Good or bad, Germany may never have attacked Poland if not for Soviet support. I think we do owe apologies, but only to the people of Eastern Europe and Asia for not allowing Patton, MacArthur and others of like minds to finish the war. To march on thru to Moscow and Peking after the fall of Germany and Japan. We could have liberated them from decades of repressive Communist rule quite easily at that time and avoided countless wars (and lives) if not for FDR/Truman and their appeasement diplomacy. I don’t doubt that just the threat, of nuclear bombs being unleashed on their cities, would have led to capitulation without a shot fired, but who knows?
            “There are some who, for varying reasons, would appease Red China. They are blind to history’s clear lesson, for history teaches with unmistakable emphasis that appeasement but begets new and bloodier war. It points to no single instance where this end has justified that means, where appeasement has led to more than a sham peace. Like blackmail, it lays the basis for new and successively greater demands until, as in blackmail, violence becomes the only other alternative.”
            —- Douglas MacArthur
            http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/douglasmacarthurfarewelladdress.htm

          • Bertie

            I gather it was Montgomery who pushed for the Allied powers to continue their march eastwards but was overruled.

          • jimfact

            I am not sure about him as my limited reading led me to focus on Patton and MacArthur. I know Churchill was a proponent but if he had plans to go all in and if Montgomery would support I am not aware. I know Patton got into a lot of trouble (constantly saying how the Soviets were the real enemy) and was a threat to Truman if running for office. He was killed in some strange way right after Germany’s defeat. FDR and Truman were the great communist apologists during and after the war and their actions contributed to the suffering half the world would endure under expanding communism. MacArthur was quite similar to Patton in his beliefs of going after communism and both could have taken Truman in an election I believe. This was Trumans weakness as a leader, his paranoia and in the end he fired MacArthur for insubordination. I don’t believe either had decided that they wanted to run for President but I don’t know. This is all fun for me with the conspiracy theories and I wanted to read that book ‘Killing Patton’ but I have plenty of books I can read that I don’t have to purchase 😉
            Are you aware of anything about Monty? I haven’t invested time because I don’t consider him a great military leader. He was a hero in NAfrica but he should have crushed Rommel long before he did and Patton beat him in Sicily w/o any gas or ammo given to him. Maybe it is my biased choice in books that reflect poorly on Monty? Then his failures in France with all the extra fuel and ammo again. Taking that port in Belgium which was useless. Market Garden. I don’t know enough about him and I chose not to read about him. Maybe you can pique my interest? Your reply tells me you know something I don’t.

          • Tickertapeguy

            read your comment.
            Churchill took a subordinate position to the two big leaders Roosevelt and Stalin. Roosevelt (I believe) was mainly responsible for the collapse of the British Empire and Great Britain losing the sub continent. Roosevelt’s cabinet was riddled with Communists.

            Truman was busy with reconstruction and the Korean war. FDR died before the end of the war. Rumor has it that Monty was “interested’ in young boys. (letters). nothing overt but questionable implications. Patton died in an automobile accident. The movie “A bridge too far” was about Operation Market Garden aka taking too many bridges.

          • jimfact

            I would love to find some good info on FDR regarding India. You got any recommendations? Besides those who stayed w/ GB mostly like AU, Canada, and others, India has done rather well, holding onto much of the good they learned under British rule. South Africa was doing well also. Unfortunately, they threw it all away on the mantle of multiculturalism etc and everybody is suffering now. How frustrating it is to see an opportunity thrown away like South Africa has.

        • JabbaPapa

          And what do you think Stalin needs an apology for? For winning the greatest war in history and defeating Hitler’s Germany?

          So you love Stalin and loathe a Saint ?

          There’s your “christianity” in a nutshell ….

      • tolpuddle1

        Corbyn will only be elected in the event of national calamity. And we’d have other things to worry about.

  • Malcolm Stevas

    “But is this widely recognised? No. Is it taught in our schools? No.”
    Though I recall from my time in teaching that quite a few of my generally Left-ish colleagues were not only dismissive of Socialism’s gruesome, murderous history, they applauded the USSR & Co – and after its demise lamented that it had been brought down by the wicked machinations of Uncle Sam.
    I’m glad the writer mentions Robert Conquest, an admirable chronicler of Soviet evil, and a man who has frequently been villified by the Left.

    • tolpuddle1

      Communism was a false religion. Many who were not strictly worshippers nevertheless applauded it.

      • Malcolm Stevas

        They still do, against all reason.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      Robert Conquest, and those like him, is a Marxist, extolling the fake narrative that the USSR collapsed. Marxists utilize the tactic of employing false oppositions, more commonly referred to by Marxists as the ‘Scissors Strategy’, in which the blades represent the two falsely opposed sides that converge on the confused victims, neutralizing true opposition to socialism, thereby allowing the advancement of socialism to the bewilderment of the true opposition…

      http://www.attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_na_china.htm

      For more on this subject, see my article “The Marxist Co-Option Of History And The Use Of The Scissors Strategy To Manipulate History Towards The Goal Of Marxist Liberation” …

      https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/the-marxist-co-option-of-history-and-the-use-of-the-scissors-strategy-to-manipulate-history-towards-the-goal-of-marxist-liberation

      My blog…

      https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/

      • Malcolm Stevas

        Oh Christ not you again – look, dump the loony conspiracy theories and go back to building models of cathedrals out of matchsticks.

        • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

          “Oh Christ not you again – look, dump the loony conspiracy theories…”

          I only alert for conspiracy FACTS (not conspiracy theories), such as (1) the FACT that the West conspired to not VERIFY the ‘collapse’ of the USSR(!); (2) the fact that 290 million ‘former’ Soviet citizens all conspired to not celebrate their liberation from up to 74 years of horrific Marxist oppression on December 26, 1991, the day the USSR officially dissolved itself(!); and (3) the fact that all three warring religious faction in the former Yugoslavia conspired to only massacre each other but leave untouched the Marxist faction that for 45 years tried their best to get rid of all religion in Yugoslavia!

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Sure, you only deal in facts…

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “Sure, you only deal in facts…”

            Wow, talk about being blinded by the darkness!

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Do you get your facts from God, or aliens living on the dark side of the moon? If you have some impressively genuine sources of information, have you shared this stuff with Government? If not, why not? You might get a medal…

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “Do you get your facts from God, or aliens living on the dark side of the moon?”

            I got the facts from the news! How is it you’re not aware that the West refused to VERIFY the collapse of the USSR, and what that proves concerning the Marxist co-option of the West? How is it you’re not aware there were ZERO celebrations throughout the USSR on December 26, 1991 – the day the USSR officially dissolved itself – when ‘former’ Soviet citizens were finally liberated from up to 74-years of horrific Soviet persecution; there were supposed to have been thousands of celebrations!

            “If you have some impressively genuine sources of information, have you shared this stuff with Government?”

            This subject is over your head! The government is Marxist, otherwise the government would have VERIFIED the ‘collapse’ of the USSR in early 1992, since the survival of the West depends on verification should the ‘collapse’ be a ruse.

            As I said, you’re just not thinking!

          • Sarkastracus

            Anyone WHO WRITES IN CAPITAL LETTERS is to be avoided. Like me after this posting….

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “Anyone WHO WRITES IN CAPITAL LETTERS is to be avoided. Like me after this posting….”

            Anyone with an IQ so low who doesn’t comprehend the concept of stressing a word is to be avoided in any further discussion.

          • Gweedo

            Or you could just try to write lucidly, so that the reader knows where the stresses naturally occur.

          • JabbaPapa

            Or you could just try to write lucidly

            Sadly … he does … :-(

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “Or you could just try to write lucidly, so that the reader knows where the stresses naturally occur.”

            Since this is the first time you’ve heard that the West never VERIFIED the ‘collapse’ of the USSR (and you’re still not shocked, indicating a low IQ), lucidity is a moot point.

          • Gweedo

            I’m not going to get into an argument about IQ with you, but I would be happy to discuss your mental health.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “I’m not going to get into an argument about IQ with you, but I would be happy to discuss your mental health.”

            Ah you’re a Marxist, not a moron!

            The malady of ‘mental illness’ is a Marxist created medical [sic] condition whereby those who direct attention to the Marxist co-option of the West’s institutions will be assessed as ‘mentally ill’, a bogus medical malady since thoughts can never be ill; thoughts can be odd (though not necessarily odd for every culture), but anyone attempting to classify a thought as ‘ill’ is doing so for POLITICAL reasons, not medical reasons.

            Tissue can be ‘ill’, thoughts, naturally, can NEVER be ‘ill’. Brain tissue can be ill, not the thoughts. If I murder someone for stealing from me, are my thoughts of murder ‘ill’? No, my thoughts of murder could only be considered as homicidal (not ‘ill’) and my behavior in committing murder as illegal. However, if it were the case I had a physically diseased brain that caused me to murder someone in the belief that someone stole from me, then it is the brain that is sick, not the thoughts of murder.* Psychological ‘treatment’ for ‘ill thoughts’ does not cure the cause for the ‘ill thoughts’, which in reality are either (a) a moral deficit the individual carries; or (b) a physical malady affecting the brain.

          • JabbaPapa

            You are most likely to be clinically insane — still, I suppose you’re not a danger to those around you.

            But you would still do well to realise that your relatively mild tendencies towards paranoia and schizophrenia, possibly autism, are detaching you from the normality of ordinary social relationships.

          • Gweedo

            Are you writing this gibberish from a secure facility? Call the nurse.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            So can we assume that you have not, in fact, tried to communicate your findings (based on all that impeccable research) to government? Because they’re all Marxists…? Surely there must be at least one or two non-Marxist authorities you could have taken all this to? Gosh, I hope so, otherwise we’re all doomed.

          • hobspawn

            To be fair, I was surprised to see well maintained statues of Lenin in the home video my sister made of her recent visit to Kamchatka. The liberation from communist rule does not seem to have reached there yet.

            I was also taken aback during my travels in Hungary in 1991 that a woman we stayed with was quite frosty and in a very bad mood about the Soviet collapse.

            To understand the political sentiments of ex-Soviet citizens, we have to remember that they were brought up with communism as the only possible world. The demise of your only political world isn’t something to celebrate, just as we traditional Britons do not celebrate our new non-democratic system of government from Brussels, and our second-class status in the new European caste system. Europeans from Calais to Rotherham are struggling to come to terms with the new regime, and the shifting sands of how the law is applied.

            Certainly cultural Marxist thought has taken control of all of our institutions in the West.

          • Gweedo

            And CAPITAL LETTERS

          • JabbaPapa

            You are obviously a Soviet sleeper agent, Dean.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “You are obviously a Soviet sleeper agent, Dean.”

            Speaking of sleep…

  • hobspawn

    Thank you for an essential article.

    My experience of talking to my nephews and nieces is that they are blithely ignorant about the greatest horror of the 20th Century, or any century in fact. They have been inculcated with an amazing range of politically correct left-wing prejudices by their traitor-class teachers. They regard me as a right-wing extremist because I wear a Che-Guevara-style T-shirt which in fact bears the face of Ronald Reagan. What was the point of winning the cold war if our children are taught that the bad guys won?

    • red2black

      ‘How to stop a bus’ information signs have now appeared in the town where I live. Unfortunately, the signs are actually inside the buses, which means you’ve got to stop a bus and get on it before you can read it.
      The world’s gone mad.

      • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

        I blame the communists.

        • red2black

          Many people do, but the act of extending an arm to attract the attention of the bus driver is very much in the style of the traditional Fascist salute.

          • balance_and_reason

            black power?

          • red2black

            That depends on who’s driving the bus.

    • sidor

      Before discussing it with your nephews, try to think. A fundamental question about the recent history, still unanswered, concerns WWII, by far the most important event of the 20th century: who was fighting with whom about what? The current politics, including the EU problem, is crucially dependent on how this question is answered.

      • hobspawn

        Thanks, but I’ve already thought about that. Any other hot tips?

        • sidor

          Could you share with us results of your thinking, if any have been produced?

          • hobspawn

            I have already overshared with you, troll.

      • tolpuddle1

        The Allies were the “Anti-Hitler Coalition.”

        Which is why their Alliance ended PDQ after Hitler’s death.

    • tolpuddle1

      We didn’t win the Cold War – the Soviets lost it.

      This chest-thumping, right-wing hubris (“We Won,oo-oo-oo !) is the cause of our current woes.

      E.g. it is Capitalism that has driven the tsunami of migrants currently destroying Europe.

      And Reagan with his Voodoo Economics began the USA’s economic decline.

      • hobspawn

        Tosh.

        • tolpuddle1

          How ?

          • Norse Notion No.9

            USA’s economy quickly recovered FROM a recession, and had one of it’s best periods with lowest unemployment rate,
            ..under Reagan. Socialists are doing the Voodoo.

          • tolpuddle1

            “Voodoo economics” was GHW Bush’s phrase.

            Reagan engineered the boom (in good faith, but engineered it nonetheless) by throwing all possible fuel on the fire; Father Christmas Economics.

            He was applauded by Harold Macmillan, who had done much the same to kickstart the UK economy in the early-1960’s.

            But such jolly economic optimism doesn’t last, but leads to problems – partly by concealing long-term economic decline.

          • Norse Notion No.9

            Could you explain something specific on that theory, please?
            I mean for example; did private sector, real-productive jobs increase or decline, compared to public, payed with other peoples money -jobs?

      • Colonel Mustard

        Grade A Tripe

      • balance_and_reason

        tosh magnified .

  • JSC

    An excellent suggestion!

  • TrippingDwarves

    Of course, it must always be remembered that those who died under communism were killed for the right reasons, i.e. in order to create a better society, and so, since the deceased were all capitalist reactionaries and the like, their deaths don’t have to be remembered in any way. They are nothing more than a byproduct of the Glorious Revolution. Really hardly worth even discussing…

  • mollysdad

    You’re right, James, but having read your work on the Welfare State, I have the sneaking suspicion that you regard it as an extension of Communism.

    • global city

      It is.

      • red2black

        Really? In most Communist countries it’s illegal not to have a job.

  • Wedgie Benn

    British black history ought to have a museum, Michael x, killing a politicians daughter the Rotherham Peados, the Met police crime museum has a collection of Machetes used to hack .PC Blakelock to death.

  • Tickertapeguy

    Americans supporting the Communist Bernie Sanders should read this.

    • tolpuddle1

      The inevitable rightist Crying Wolf at the faintest hint of a democratic socialist, however feeble.

      • Tickertapeguy

        So explain how Democratic values fit into socialism?
        Bet you just love Karl Marx and his “Communist Manifesto’ or “Das Kapital” that this Jew wrote in the comfort of London.
        Those 2 books alone caused the death of over a 100 million people.

        • red2black

          They died of boredom. I gave up after a couple of pages of both.

          • Tickertapeguy

            they died horribly and thus the need for this museum. but I get your point.

          • red2black

            If you mean a museum in Britain, I’d suggest there’s a reluctance because at the end of the day, and however distasteful, the Soviets were our wartime allies. They were killing those who would have otherwise been killing us. Politics aside, the total of dead in the Siege of Leningrad was greater than total non-Soviet Allied dead for the whole of the War. The same was true for Stalingrad. Accounts by ‘ordinary’ Russian people of what occurred describe the absolute limits of human endurance and suffering. On a different note, there’s a sizeable bar in the town where I live which is Soviet themed, including lots of red and gold Soviet style lettering and insignia. I very much doubt a Third Reich themed bar along the same lines would even be considered, never mind tolerated.

          • Tickertapeguy

            I believe such a museum would cover all forms of Communism
            – Communism in the Soviet Union during the great wars and after
            -Communism in modern day Russia
            -Communism in Eastern Europe under the Soviet Union
            -Communism in Red China
            -Communism in Cuba
            -Communism anywhere around the world.
            -Communism in India (2 Indian states have had communist governments for decades)
            -Communism as a philosophy advocated by Karl Marx to Mao and his red book etc. That is my guess.

          • red2black

            Good luck with it. That’s quite a list, but historically, few people in Britain (or the West) were directly affected by it. Karl Marx replaced Religious Man with Economic Man, and his idea of Class Struggle was inspired by those of Race Struggle proposed by French historians. No one seems to have kept count of the number of deaths to the present day caused by political and religious ideologies outside of or opposed to Marxist Communism.

          • Tickertapeguy

            That list is just a summary. did not put much thought to it.
            The Russian Revolution was a Western revolution. The Romanov Family (the last Tsars) were related to European aristocracy. their murder shocked Europe more than the world.
            The idea of “collectivism” was meant to equalize the wealth, I guess “wealth distribution:”
            What it did was get rid of the upper and middle class leaving only the poor class.
            economies generally are like a pyramid with the top part going to the wealthy & the massive bottom part going to the poor

            It is easier to rid the top part of the (economic) pyramid that raise the bottom part. What you get are
            -equally hungry people
            -equally poor and disenfranchised people
            that is what happened under Lenin and Stalin. (also North Korea where the GDP is 13 billion for 27 million people while S. Korea’s GDP is 1 trillion for 50 million people)
            That led to millions dying from hunger, exposure to cold, disease,

            The red army played a central role in destroying the axis power of Germany and leading to the Berlin wall. what they did in Germany alone is a nightmare. what the axis powers of Europe did to Stalinist Russia (under Operation Barbarossa) was an equal nightmare.
            Just in that alone we are dealing with millions of European lives.

          • red2black

            It can be viewed as a seismic and catastrophic shift from a religious world view to an economic one. From the idea of a Divine Right of Kings to a Dictatorship of the Proletariat, in the blinking of an eye. Then a racial world view gets thrown into the mix a few years later.

          • Tickertapeguy

            As I said Collectivism leads to equal level of poverty
            except
            In the capital.

            If you drew that pyramid of economics, it still remains. What you have is a vast flat bottom where the rest of us are. In the center is a tower of wealth were the leaders live. From the tip of that tower you can still draw out a pyramid but with a lot of empty space.
            North Korea is an example. 27 million people and I believe a GDP of 20 billion (less than Bill Gates). South Korea with a pop of 50 million has a GDP of 1 Trillion.
            Socialism generally leads to “Statism” or Totalitarianism. It seldom leads to an open market economy.

          • red2black

            I live in England, where most Socialists agree with regulated Capitalism. If any of them agree with some sort North Korean totalitarian command economy, I’m sure they’re very few and far between.

          • Hugh

            “I very much doubt a Third Reich themed bar along the same lines would even be considered, never mind tolerated.”

            Isn’t that sort of the point of the article and the suggestion that a communism museum is necessary?

          • red2black

            If you like, but as I explained, we never fought against the Soviets in an all-out war as we did against the Third Reich. If someone wants to set up a museum, I imagine they’re free to.

        • tolpuddle1

          There are various non-Marxist forms of socialism, e.g. that of the Labour governments of 1945-51.

          The Communist Manifesto is better on the negative side of thinking, than on the positive. It killed people because Marx’s followers turned it from a political tract into a sort of religion.

          Wise people don’t attempt to read Das Kapital !

          Karl Marx was of Jewish descent but not Jewish, his father having become secular, then turned his coat to become notionally Christian (purely for career reasons), changing his surname from Mordecai in the process. Hence Marx’s writing include bitterly anti-Jewish passages that one would call anti-semitic if the writer hadn’t been of Jewish descent.

          His Jewish ancestors – rabbis from the Rhineland – were of course perfectly harmless.

          • Tickertapeguy

            That is interesting. but till you pointed the biography of Marx I really did not care. What stands out is there is no such detailed personal history of other leaders. from Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, Emperor Hirohito, Malcolm X, Obama etc.
            Your analysis is great, but I bet that someone else will come along and say exactly the opposite of Marx
            then you have to take this to the next level. those who followed the philosophy of Marx what motivated them? what was their detailed personal history for them to make these choices? how many levels do we need to go?

      • Gweedo

        There’s no such thing as a Democratic Socialist, but some socialists are elected.

        • tolpuddle1

          If you’re democratically elected – and do nothing to destroy that democracy – you’re democratic, socialist or not.

          • Gweedo

            All socialists are enemies of democracy, even if their battlefield is ideas, because the end remains the same. There will be no need for democracy in the Workers’ Paradise.

          • tolpuddle1

            Well, supposedly, no need for government at all.

            But that’s utopian socialism, whilst not all socialists are utopians.

          • Gweedo

            Enough of them are Utopians to make me worry.

  • hobspawn

    Here’s a link to a view, on London’s Haymarket, of the blue plaque in honour of the great leader Ho Chi Minh, executor of landlords by the thousands, and shining beacon of the inestimable achievements possible under communist rule:
    http://tinyurl.com/jz7z4jo

    Why it isn’t vandalised every day, I have no idea.

  • tolpuddle1

    If JB wants to know WHY the “far left” is enjoying a revival, he need only look at himself in the mirror.

    Or glance at any of his City pals.

    • CDizzle

      I look forward to seeing how many seats the ‘far left’ will gain in the 2020 elections as a result of this so-called ‘revival’. Good ol’ Jezza has luckily been given more than an adequate amount of rope with which to hang himself. If you don’t like bankers, get lost, pay off all your debts and tell us what it’s like being a martyr in this so-called neoliberal conspiracy.

      • tolpuddle1

        Neo-liberal “conspiracy” ?

        No, it openly and very obviously runs the world; we’re all caught helplessly in its web.

        Fortunately webs – however well-spun – are fragile and transient

  • tolpuddle1

    Does JB HONESTLY believe that Bumbling Jez Corbyn or Ole’ Bernie Sanders are the “far left” or that we’re heading for Gulags in the English-speaking world ?

    This while Trump sweeps the USA and the Islamists everywhere else.

    A Museum of Islamic Terror would be more relevant, more useful.

    • CDizzle

      I don’t think JB is suggesting anything of the sort – he is only pointing out the asymmetry of memorials for victims of Fascism vs Communism. Is that such a crime? Or perhaps we should send the KGB round to his house to silence such dissenting views…

  • ohforheavensake

    My son knows about Stalin, the purges, the mass killings, and the Cold War. He’s learning it in school. As kids do.

    James? Please, don’t be so stupid.

    • grimm

      I was in state education in the 1960’s and even in those cold war days our teachers tended to depict communism as a well meaning political experiment which failed due to human nature. The evils of communism have always been downplayed while the socialism of the Nazis and Fascists has been ignored in order to perpetuate the myth that Fascism is the direct opposite of communism.

      Why do you assume that what your son is taught is applies universally throughout the education system? Are you just being stupid?

      • Ron Todd

        I was at college in the 80s when people should have known better had a lecturer who still thought Stalinism was a good idea.

        • KingEric

          I was also at college in the 80’s and confirm that 90% of my tutors were of the very hard left. Doubt it has changed all that much.

  • Adam McBride

    The extreme left AND the extreme right killed a lot of people last century. The point is we should all aspire to be moderates. Disturbing the amount of right wing people on here going “well, they killed more!” as if it in some way justifies their own bigotries. Communists and Fascists are the same thing in practice.

    Centrism ftw!

    *It should be a museum of “non-centrist terror”.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

    “But is this widely recognised? No. Is it taught in our schools? No. Are there museums to remind us about it? No.”

    Of course schools refuse to instruct students in the horrors that is the USSR, since Marxists control the institutions of the West. How do you think Lenin came to power? The World War I Allies refused to mount a naval expeditionary force to overthrow the weak Bolshevik usurpers in Petrograd, the Bolshevik usurpers that mounted the November 7, 1917 coup against the Provisional government that took Russia out of the war. For those who forgot this history, the Allies’ wartime strategy for victory counted on Russia on the eastern front pinning down German and Austrian divisions, thereby weakening German and Austrian forces that faced the Western Allies. But what emergency actions do the Allies implement to get Russia back into the war? Nothing! In fact a 60,000 man force was already available in Russia itself that would have easily taken out the Bolsheviks, but the Czechoslovak Legion (located at the time of the coup just outside Kiev)…

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/9650/9650-h/9650-h.htm

    …was instead sent on a 6,000 mile odyssey across Russia to Vladivostok for evacuation back to Europe, instead of sent 700 miles due north to Petrograd to get Russia back into the war!

    For fuller exposition on this spiked topic, see my article “The Marxist Co-Option Of History And The Use Of The Scissors Strategy To Manipulate History Towards The Goal Of Marxist Liberation” for more on this subject…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/the-marxist-co-option-of-history-and-the-use-of-the-scissors-strategy-to-manipulate-history-towards-the-goal-of-marxist-liberation

    The following are two discoveries I made in April 2015 regarding the Yugoslav ‘civil wars’ and ‘collapse’ of the USSR, and what they prove about the institutions of the West…

    (I) Communist control of Yugoslavia ‘civil wars’ gone unnoticed for quarter century.

    Secessionist Yugoslav Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim factions waged dirty wars against each other, neglecting to first wipe out the 9% of the population that attempted to do away with religion in Yugoslavia, proving the wars were orchestrated and controlled by the communist faction.

    Murder, torture and legal discrimination of those professing religious sentiment was so intense under the Marxist regime in Belgrade, that those who professed no religious affiliation increased from less than 10% pre-1945 to a bewildering 32% by 1987…

    ‘Like in most former Communist countries in Central, Eastern and South­‑Eastern Europe, the means and actions applied by the Yugoslav Government between 1945 and 1990 to reduce the influence of religions and religious organisations were quite effective: While there was just a tiny group of people who regarded themselves to be without a religion before the Second World War (less than 0.1% of the population), this number grew to 13% in 1953 and to 32% in 1987.’

    https://web.natur.cuni.cz/ksgrrsek/acta/2009/2009_henkel.pdf

    That 9% constitutes members of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia, the Marxist party that subjugated Yugoslavia from 1945 until the party’s dissolution in January 1990. Before any religious sectarian strife, first there would have been massive reprisals against the reviled Communists who implemented policies to wipe out religion in Yugoslavia. The fact that no such reprisals took place proves that the breakup of Yugoslavia, during the Yugoslav Wars (1991-2001), was manufactured and controlled by the Communists; and

    (II) When Soviet citizens were liberated from up to 74 years of horrific Marxist-atheist oppression on December 26, 1991, the day the USSR officially ended, there were ZERO celebrations throughout the USSR, proving (1) the ‘collapse’ of the USSR is a strategic ruse; and (2) the political parties of the West were already co-opted by Marxists,* otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ruse.

    ZERO celebrations, as the The Atlantic article inadvertently informs us…

    http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union/100214/

    Notice, however, the Kremlin staged anti-government demonstrations that took place in Russia (and other Soviet republics) in the years immediately preceding the ‘collapse’, yet ZERO celebrations after the ‘collapse’!

    For more on this discovery see my blog…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/

    The above means that the so-called ‘War on Terror’ is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending ‘War on Terror’; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’;** which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    The fraudulent ‘collapse’ of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the ‘collapse’ was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    It gets worse–the ‘freed’ Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the five million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the cities during the period of ‘Perestroika’ (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

    Conclusion:

    The West will form new political parties where candidates are vetted for Marxist ideology, the use of the polygraph to be an important tool for such vetting. Then the West can finally liberate the globe of vanguard Communism.

    ————————-

    * The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848(1) taught Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly,(2) so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions. In the case of the United States…(continue reading at DNotice)…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

    ** ‘Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans. We are by no means indifferent to developments in united Europe.

    That is why Russia proposes moving toward the creation of a common economic and human space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean – a community referred by Russian experts to as “the Union of Europe,” which will strengthen Russia’s potential and position in its economic pivot toward the “new Asia.”’ – Vladimir Putin (2012).

    https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/putin-russia-changing-world-263/

    • grimm

      The comments section is clearly too small for you. Why don’t you start your own online magazine?

      • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

        Why bother with a magazine when I’m breaking news on a weekly basis with my blog (you’ll find my blog in my Disqus page).

      • Sarkastracus

        His website is the home of the Barking.

    • vieuxceps2

      But even if museums and schools existed to teach about communism there would still be fools who’d deny what they said,. Visit academic and Guardian writings and you’ll find that despit the facts, marxoids remain convinced of marxism. We knw it doesn’r work. They know it does.

  • Philip Bracq

    No museum would be large enough to contain all the skulls of the victims murdered or genocided the British Empire.

    • http://romangovernor.org/ kentgeordie

      Nearly all the former British colonies chose to join the Commonwealth.

      • William Matthews

        Some country formally requested to rejoin.

      • Ron Todd

        And some that weren’t colonies wanted to join

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “No museum would be large enough to contain all the skulls of the victims murdered or genocided the British Empire.”

      Murder? That would entail war between two different peoples, where combatants are killed on both sides; the modern era, of course, has witnessed massive killings by the British during World World War II, but guess who was running the British establishment long before even World War I. What you missed, and the article only implies, is the INTRA-national mass killing by Communists against their own nationals, not against other nations’ nationals, though the aim of all Communists is to spread the vile ideology world wide.

    • paulthorgan

      This is off-topic. The article is about communism. Try harder.

    • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

      By and large the British Empire was a GOOD THING.

    • vieuxceps2

      “genocided”–? That usage alone damns your opinions utterly. Have you had no educaion at all?

      • Philip Bracq

        I speak at least 2 languages. Unlike you.

        • vieuxceps2

          “I speak at least two languages” One of them is not -English. What is the other? Gibber-ish?

  • outlawState

    A museum dedicated to British communism would include a plaque of all the men divorced by their wives, and who were financially crippled by them, or who committed suicide because of them. My father would be in it.

  • Bad Lad

    Well no but then the left are secretly proud of this record and keen to get the run-rate up again.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “Well no but then the left are secretly proud of this record and keen to get the run-rate up again.”

      The strategy Marxists are using is called ‘convergence’, whereby a discredited and economically weakened Western Europe will be maneuvered into a new union with the USSR (and later China will join the union after the fake collapse of the Marxist government in Beijing)…

      ‘Editor’s Note: The phrases ‘From the Atlantic to the Urals’, ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’ and ‘From Vancouver to Vladivostok’ are interchangeable in the strategists’ lexicon. In the course of his Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo in June 1992, Gorbachev said: ‘Our [sic] vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals is not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union [sic], which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries’. Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia. In an interview on Moscow Television on 19 November 1991, Eduard Shevardnadze continued speaking as though he was still Soviet Foreign Minister: ‘I think that the idea of a Common European Home, the building of a united Europe, and I would like to underline today, of great Europe, the building of Great Europe, great, united Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, including all our territory, most probably a European-Asian space, this project is inevitable. I am sure that we will come to building a united military space as well. To say more precisely: we will build a united Europe, whose security will be based on the principles of collective security. Precisely, collective security’. These statements by key implementers of the strategy reflect the central strategic objective of asserting ‘irreversible’ Russian/Soviet hegemony over Eurasia, thus establishing the primary geographical component of the intended World Government.’ — ‘The Perestroika Deception’, by KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn.

      https://ia800305.us.archive.org/27/items/AnatoliyGolitsyn/Golitsyn-ThePerestroikaDeception-TheWorldsSlideTowardsTheSecondOctoberRevolution1995.pdf

      …and…

      ‘Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans. We are by no means indifferent to developments in united Europe.

      That is why Russia proposes moving toward the creation of a common economic and human space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean – a community referred by Russian experts to as “the Union of Europe,” which will strengthen Russia’s potential and position in its economic pivot toward the “new Asia.”’ – Vladimir Putin (2012).

      https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/putin-russia-changing-world-263/

      • Bad Lad

        Thank you for that very clear post. A depressingly lucid and plausible thesis which does indeed make sense of the behaviour of the not only Putin but the filthy Marxists and closet Marxists who rule over us. Using savage beasts to rip us – quite literally – to pieces is, however, a treachery which may yet backfire on them. All that is needed is an idea. But perhaps I am stupidly optimistic.

  • Hippograd

    Nick Cohen and David Aaronovitch could donate some memorabilia and remind us of all those warm-hearted British folk in their families who worked selflessly for the cause of Revolution on British soil.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “Nick Cohen and David Aaronovitch could donate some memorabilia and remind us of all those warm-hearted British folk in their families who worked selflessly for the cause of Revolution on British soil.”

      The revolution had already been achieved. Why do you think the World War I Allies left the weak Lenin & Bolsheviks alone and in peace in Petrograd, refusing to mount an emergency Naval expeditionary force to topple the weak Bolsheviks and bring Russia back into the war, Russia’s presence in the war being a major factor in the Allies’ war strategy. In fact, there already was in Russia a 60,000 man force the Allies could have used if they wanted – Czechoslovak Legion – but instead of sending the vehemently anti-Bolshevik Czechoslovak Legion north to Petrogad (the legion was located just outside Kiev, 700 miles away from Petrograd), the Allies instead send the legion on a 6,000 mile odyssey to Vladivostok for evacuation back to Europe!

      • Sarkastracus

        Last time I came across these conspiracy theories it was related to all thing Stormfront and the Rothschilds.

        • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

          “Last time I came across these conspiracy theories…”

          The Allies refusal to overthrow Lenin & Bolsheviks in Petrograd isn’t a theory, it’s a FACT! What’s the matter with you!

  • paulthorgan

    This won’t happen because of the media blind-spot over communism.

    The reason for this blind-spot may be partially explained by the fact
    that the whole apparatus of repression in the Union of Soviet Socialist
    Republics has never been placed under the same glare of publicity that
    took place during and after the fall of National Socialist Germany.
    Unlike their fascist rivals, there were no foreign boots setting foot
    into the horror of the gulag death-camps. Richard Dimbleby never gave a
    moving commentary on the dead and dying behind barbed wire in Siberia.
    There has been no newsreel footage of the ruined bodies of the dead and
    the almost-dead on the Steppes. The Russians have never been forced by
    any agency, internal or external, to come to terms with the atrocities
    performed ostensibly in their name. There were no trials for those
    clearly guilty of crimes against humanity. There have been no exhibits
    in museums around the world showing the Soviet murder-factories where
    thousands upon thousands were worked to death in hostile climates or
    those who starved to death in state-engineered famines. There has been
    more truth and reconciliation over apartheid in South Africa than there
    ever was in Russia over communism.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “The Russians have never been forced by any agency, internal or external, to come to terms with the atrocities performed ostensibly in their name. There were no trials for those clearly guilty of crimes against humanity.”

      It wasn’t Russians, Ukrainian, Georgian, Estonian, Latvian, etc. nationalists who perpetrated the atrocities within the USSR, it was alien Marxists – who eschew nationality – who persecuted the nationalities and their respective religions, so where were the ‘trials against humanity’ in Russia? Not one such trial! That’s impossible, and once again proves that the ‘collapse’ of the USSR was a ruse, as KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn warned the West in 1961 that the Soviets had already began preparing the stage for a fake collapse.

      Of the fifteen republics that made up the USSR, only Estonia established a commission to investigate Crimes Against Humanity committed by its citizens. However, the reason Estonia created such a commission had nothing to do with bringing justice for the victims of Nazism and Communism, otherwise the commission’s establishment would have occurred soon after the “collapse” of the USSR in December 1991, not in October 1998. The reason the commission was set up was because the family of the first “post” Soviet president of Estonia, Lennart Georg Meri, was deported in 1941 to a Siberian concentration camp, and by 1998 the absence of such a commission had become a glaring oddity. Of course, the deportation of the Meri family to Siberia wasn’t due to the Meri family being judged as enemies of the Soviet Union, but to protect the Meri family from the impending invasion of the USSR by Germany. This is borne out by the whole Meri family surviving their Siberian ordeal (the Meri family never stepped one foot inside a concentration camp) and finding their way back to Estonia after the war.

      The Estonian International Commission for Investigation of Crimes Against Humanity resulted in the indictments of only nine and convictions of eight. Four of the convictions involved no actual jail time…

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Estonia

      Of the four that didn’t do jail time after their convictions, three were given probation, and the fourth was given a suspended sentence. The ninth defendant, Arnold Meri (cousin of President Lennart Georg Meri, whose trial began in 2008) …

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Meri

      …died in April 2009, before the end of his trial. Nice timing, huh?

      How did Lennart Meri become Estonia’s first “post” Soviet President with such a notorious cousin? During the presidential campaign, the nationalist right tried to bring up questions about Meri’s alleged former links with the KGB. However, these allegations did not harm Meri’s reputation and public image. Why not?

    • OmnipotentWizard

      And that is because….waits for the penny to drop….we never beat the Soviet Union in a war that would allow those things to happen.

      • paulthorgan

        Your comment is irrelevant.

        And we did beat the USSR in a war. It was called the Cold War.

        The USSR collapsed, but the successor government, while admitting illegal acts like the Katyn Wood massacre and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, did not investigate the crimes of the communist government, unlike successor governments in Chile and South Africa.

  • Itinerant

    Too many ex-Communists were allowed to carry on with their lives, after being involved in a killing machine every bit as evil as the Nazis.
    Many of them no doubt, now feel very comfortable in the EU- it’s such a nice fit for them.

  • sidor

    What about a museum of Catholic terror? Considering the history of Britain it would be much more relevant than pointless bullshitting about someone else history.

    • isidoreofseville

      What Catholic terror do you have in mind? For a start, if you want to consider the history of Britain, the British Isles were Catholic from the seventh century onwards, and the founder of English History, the Venerable Bede, is a Catholic saint and Doctor of the Church. Following the rebellion of Henry VIII, Catholics were almost always the victims rather than the perpetrators of state-sponsored terror and repression, and were still barred from the universities and many professions until well into the nineteenth century. You should check the history of the penal laws, the story of St Edmund Campion, St Margaret Clitherow and many others.

      • Sarkastracus

        I think he was talking about Broody Mary.

        • sidor

          Thomas More killed protestants well before that.

          • JabbaPapa

            Apart from the continuous lies that such Protestants as yourself provide against St Thomas, the historical record shows that he was allegedly, and only allegedly, involved in **one** unchristian incident involving an Apostate against the Faith like you.

            None of the other alleged incidents can be attributed to him by any direct evidence whatsoever, but they are attributed only by some accusations of guilt by association.

            Contrast with the utterly atrocious genocidal horrors inflicted upon the British Iles by Cromwell and his bloodthirsty murderous Protestant cronies.

          • vieuxceps2

            “Avenge O Lord Thy slaughtered saints”- Massacre in Piedmont. John Milton.

          • JabbaPapa

            ah yes good old Cromwellian blood-thirst

          • vieuxceps2

            Well, the big boys started it…..

          • JabbaPapa

            Henry VIII was most certainly big.

          • JabbaPapa

            To answer my own question, yes he most certainly was : http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2010/05/martin-luthers-body/

          • vieuxceps2

            Cromwellian bloodthirst? In Switzerland ,among Catholic butchers. Not too good at history, or geography either,are you?

          • JabbaPapa

            You’re not too good at realising that this Milton chap was a staunch pro-genocide militant Cromwellist.

            I was unaware of your strange opinion that Piemonte isn’t in Italy. Still, in for a penny of lies, in for a pound eh ?

            Meanwhile, only the most horridly unchristian blood-thirst could justify repaying evils with evil.

          • vieuxceps2

            Only the most horridly unchristian blood-thirst could justify slaughtering men women and children for not saying ave Maria or Pater noster instead of their own tongue. Revocation of the Edict of Nantes? . Bartholomew’s Day massacre? Inquisition? Huguenots? Cathars? Bloody Mary? Better to keep it shut, eh Jabba?

          • JabbaPapa

            for not saying ave Maria or Pater noster instead of their own tongue

            That is the most stupidly naïve description of the motivations that led to the Wars of Religion that I’ve ever seen.

            Revocation of the Edict of Nantes?

            Political. And you’re just trying to pretend that the Huguenots were not extremely violent factionalists bent on actions of civil war for the purpose of gaining control of France and abolishing Catholicism.

            Bartholomew’s Day massacre?

            Political, and also just another incident in the Wars of Religion that were started by the Protestants.

            Inquisition?

            The Inquisitions were Courts of Church Law where the accused, presumed innocent, appeared before impartial judges and had the right to defend themselves. They were the original model for our present independent Courts and our modern system of Justice. The great majority of verdicts were “not guilty”, the great majority of those convicted were subjected to only minor penalties, and in the VERY small number who suffered the death penalty from the local civil authorities, the vast majority were found guilty of such crimes as murder, rape, banditry, and so on.

            Huguenots?

            Violent politically motivated rebels and religious fanatics with a desire to take control of France, ban Catholicism, and impose State Protestantism in a theocratic dictatorship. Even Wikipedia knows it : “Fanatically opposed to the Catholic Church, the Huguenots attacked priests, monks, nuns, monasticism, images, and church buildings. Most of the cities in which the Huguenots gained a hold saw iconoclast riots in which altars and images in churches, and sometimes the buildings themselves were torn down. Ancient relics and texts were destroyed; the bodies of saints exhumed and burned. The cities of Bourges, Montauban and Orleans saw substantial activity in this regard.”

            Cathars?

            The war against the Cathars was entirely political from A to Z, and it started after a century of efforts towards peace by the Holy See ended when Cathar fanatics decided to murder the Papal Envoy. The number of “Cathar” victims is also grossly inflated, because most of those killed in this war of repression against some rebellious local lords were in fact Catholics, because the Cathars themselves existed as a small minority of those whom the war was actually fought against.

            Bloody Mary?

            Queen Mary is NOT a good example of a Catholic, but even so — Cromwell slaughtered 1000 times as many as were killed under her short reign.

            She was a complete amateur compared to that sort of monstrous, systematic, totalitarian Protestant evil.

          • vieuxceps2

            That 7-year old child that the Jesuits spoke of, was that you?
            If ever (deo volente etc)., you regain your sense you will always find a welcome at the Marxist Revisionist History colleges.They can learn from such as you.
            You should however grasp that when someome differs from you it doesn’t mean they are stupid – it means they are right. Moreover, cleanse your mind of the notion of the existence of a “god”. It is the beginning of wisdom,and will bring you peace.
            Until then, Ite. Missa est. Pax Tecum.

          • JabbaPapa

            aaaaand so here you are typing some more **complete bollocks** …

            What’s the matter, deary, did reading too many facts incompatible with your ill-educated dogmatic ideology hurt your brain ?

          • vieuxceps2

            Tell me,Jabba pet,why are you so ill-tempered? Does your faith not bring you peace? It must be galling to write so much and find that nobody is interested.
            You must wean yourself off your addiction to ad hominem attacks. Perhaps try Scrabble instead. There are lots of arcane words in mother church’s lexicon, you’d win easily and your studies will not have been in vain.
            Once again, pax tecum.

          • JabbaPapa

            Sarcastic commentary on the inanity of claims such as yours that are incompatible with historical reality or with other such facts does NOT constitute ad hominem ; and if it did, you’d be guilty of it yourself, and therefore guilty of hypocrisy as well.

          • vieuxceps2

            A definite improvement!on your usual ad hominem. You use only inanity and hypocrisy, much better than being so vituperative. Keep practising,I will monitor your progress and advise you from time to time. Ite, missa est.

          • JabbaPapa

            Bloody sanctimonious hypocritical self-serving twit.

            Don’t like the heat ? Then get out of the kitchen and stop moaning about it.

          • vieuxceps2

            O Domine, sua culpa, sua culpa, sua maxima culpa! This profanity won’t do,Jabba pet . The Lord helps those that help themselves. Better run along to confession. A few Ave Marias and Paternosters should suffice. If not ,then let me know and I’ll see what I and the other normal people can do for you. Pax tecum. Ite, missa est.

          • vieuxceps2

            O Domine, sua culpa, sua culpa, sua maxima culpa! This profanity won’t do,Jabba pet . The Lord helps those that help themselves. Better run along to confession. A few Ave Marias and Paternosters should suffice. If not ,then let me know and I’ll see what I and the other normal people can do for you. Pax tecum. Ite, missa est.

          • JabbaPapa

            crikey, you’re a self-satisfied git, aren’t you …

          • vieuxceps2

            Self-satisfied? By no means. Altiora peto. Such people as I do not need such people as you. Sad to say, the reverse is not true. I hope not to hear from you again Our revels now are ended.

          • JabbaPapa

            Such people as I do not need such people as you

            … and an utter hypocrite to boot.

            I’m not the one who posted some complete unhistorical partisan **bollocks** as if it were the truth.

            You’re the one who posted those lies, and nothing you might type can change that.

          • vieuxceps2

            Peace, little Gadarene. The Jesuits would not approve.

          • Sanctimony

            How dare you take my name in vain…

      • sidor

        You don’t seem to properly learned the history of the British Christianity. Catholicism was imposed upon Britain by Normans after 1066. Before that Celtic Church was a separate form of Christianity distinctly different from the Roman Catholic Church.

        • justejudexultionis

          That is absolute nonsense. ‘Celtic Christianity’ pretty much died out in England after the Synod of Whitby in the seventh century, in which the Roman tonsure and way of calculating Easter was adopted.

        • JabbaPapa

          crikey you have a real talent for these non-stop demonstrations that you’re a complete moron …

      • justejudexultionis

        ‘Catholics were almost always the victims rather than the perpetrators of state-sponsored terror and repression, and were still barred from the universities and many professions’ —

        Good. That makes up for the tens of thousands of Protestants slaughtered in continental Europe to satisfy the Papal Antichrist’s insatiable bloodlust. e.g. 25,000 Protestants murdered over three days in Magdeburg.

        • JabbaPapa

          So you want to blame Catholics for the results of Protestant warmongering ????

      • Gweedo

        Catholic terror doesn’t need a museum, Bonfire Night is perfectly adequate for the purpose.

    • Mr B J Mann

      Why, is there a danger of the Catholics being bigged up as the best form of government any time soon?

      And if there was, their history is all in the past and unlikely to be repeated.

      Whereas the socialist terrors are all too recent, should be in living memory, but get whitewahed and swept under the carpet.

      We should have learned the dangers of socialism from current affairs, never mind history, but our educational establishments and the media have been hijacked by the socialists and cultural marxists!!!

      • sidor

        We remember what was the result of the Roman Catholics getting power in Germany and Italy and their crusade against Communism. Cardinal Pacelli was the Hitler’s Godfather.

        • Hugh

          “Cardinal Pacelli was Hitler’s Godfather.”

          And that means Hitler was motivated by his Catholicism?

          • sidor

            Under the order of cardinal Pacelli, the priests in all the Catholic churches of Germany instructed their congregation to vote for Hitler. The first thing Hitler did after getting power was signing Concordat with Vatican. Paying back the favour.

          • Hugh

            I think you’ve sucessfully proved Cardinal Pacelli supported the Nazis. I don’t think you’ve successfully proved Hitler was a committed Catholic.

          • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

            He hasn’t proved anything of the sort, he keeps firing off unsubstantiated assertions, half of which he made up himself.

          • Mr Grumpy

            Only half?

          • JabbaPapa

            What a load of brain-fried bollocks.

          • HughieMc

            What utter absolute crap!

        • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

          “We remember what was the result of the Roman Catholics getting power in Germany and Italy and their crusade against Communism. Cardinal Pacelli was Hitler’s Godfather.”

          Hitler and Mussolini were Marxists…

          ‘As soon as the World War I operation had ended, Marxists began planing for the World War II operation with the creation of that war’s two false opposition fronts, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and the National Fascist Party in Italy. Benito Mussolini was a well known and influential Marxist before the Comintern ordered that he take up a new identity as leader of the National Fascist Party. As for Adolf Hitler’s Marxist pedigree, one-third of Hitler’s SA, and later Gestapo personnel, were ‘former’ Marxists.4′ …

          CONTINUE READING …

          https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/the-marxist-co-option-of-history-and-the-use-of-the-scissors-strategy-to-manipulate-history-towards-the-goal-of-marxist-liberation

          As for the Catholic Church…

          With the election of Giovanni Maria Mastai-Ferretti as Pope in 1846 (taking the name Pope Pius IX), the Vatican was co-opted at the top position by what would soon become known as Marxists…

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX

          …hence the embarrassing edicts on the (1) Immaculate Conception (1854)…

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

          …and (2) Papal Infallibility (1870)…

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

          …both edicts placing their respective subjects on an even level with God’s omniscience! In fact in 1858, just four-years after Pope Pius IX declared Mary to be without sin, Mary took time out from her busy schedule and came down to Earth, informing Bernadette Soubirous…

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadette_Soubirous

          …that she, Mary, was indeed the Immaculate Conception, born without sin! What marvelous timing, huh!

          Then in 1917 the Marxist government in Portugal, in co-operation with the Vatican, gave us the next fake Marian apparition where Mary tells ten-year-old Lúcia Santos that if everyone prays to her, Mary, then there won’t be an even more terrible war in the future…

          “The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima

          Anyone catch it? God isn’t omniscient in this Marxist drama, because Mary says there might be another war! That’s what happens when you leave it up to Marxists to write these scripts, they naturally get it all wrong due to their ignorance of theology, and in this instance God’s omniscience!*

          Mary continues, “To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

          See where Mary says, “In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted…”

          In other words, Mary is telling us there’s no need to wage war against the USSR because the Marxists who control the USSR will magically convert to Russian Orthodoxy! Cleaver, huh? And what happened on December 26, 1991? Marxist Mary was right! Bolshevism collapsed, and Marxists magically became Christians!

          The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848 taught Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly, so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions…

          https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

          The Vatican’s co-option took place two years earlier. That’s why not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the ‘alternative’ media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

          The fraudulent ‘collapse’ of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

          It gets worse–the ‘freed’ Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of ‘Perestroika’ (1986-1991)!

          There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

          Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

          The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

          The above means that the so-called ‘War on Terror’ is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending “War on Terror”; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union “From the Atlantic to Vladivostok”; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

          The following is a discovery I made in April 2015 regarding the fake collapse of the USSR, and what that fraudulent collapse proves about the institutions of the West…

          When Soviet citizens were liberated from up to 74 years of horrific Marxist-atheist oppression on December 26, 1991 there were ZERO celebrations throughout the USSR, proving (1) the ‘collapse’ of the USSR is a strategic ruse; and (2) the political parties of the West were already co-opted by Marxists, otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ruse.

          ZERO celebrations, as the The Atlantic article inadvertently informs us…

          http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union/100214/

          Notice, however, the Kremlin staged anti-government demonstrations that took place in Russia (and other Soviet republics) in the years immediately preceding the ‘collapse’, yet ZERO celebrations after the ‘collapse’!

          For more on this discovery see my blog…

          https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/

          Schism within the Catholic Church…

          Marxists have planned schism for the Catholic Church. When schism does arrive for the Catholic Church, Marxists will naturally control both opposing entities. Marxists call this tactic of using false opposites the “scissors strategy”, in which the blades represent the two falsely opposed sides that converge on the confused victims, neutralizing true opposition. Now you also know what the pedophilia scandal within the Catholic Church is all about–a Marxist operation to weaken the moral foundation of the Catholic Church, thereby lessening its numbers and inevitably its influence.

          By the way, when did the Vatican alert the world that the ‘collapse’ of the USSR (and East Bloc nations) is a fraud?! And when did the ‘liberated’ Russians throw out the KGB agent Quislings placed within the Russian Orthodox Church before the ‘collapse’ of the USSR! In fact, all religious denominations behind the Iron Curtain were so co-opted by Marxists, but those Marxist agents still control those religious denominations…

          http://sofiaecho.com/2012/01/17/1747052_eleven-out-of-15-members-of-bulgarian-orthodox-churchs-holy-synod-worked-for-communist-state-security

          http://www.novinite.com/articles/135799/Bulgaria%27s+High+Clergy+Infected+with+Ex-Communist+Spies

          For more on the general subject of Marxist co-option, see my blog…

          https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home

          ————————————

          * Marxists count on a non-thinking faithful, where even blatant lies are eaten up with relish by the faithful.

          Since 1981 there’s been an ongoing Marxist Marian apparition taking place in Međugorje, Yugoslavia (yes, I meant Yugoslavia). The scam is quite a money-maker for the Communists, it being estimated that 30 million pilgrims have come to Medjugorje since the reputed apparitions began in 1981…

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252122/Virgin-Mary-sightings-Are-Bosnians-hoaxers-living-saints.html

          I love the fake photo of the six “visionaries” posing as thought they’re looking up at Mary(!)

          http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/22/article-2252122-169F56BF000005DC-511_634x423.jpg

          The small boy, however, doesn’t seem to be interested with what Mary is telling them!

        • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

          Er, no, he wasn’t.

        • JabbaPapa

          aaaaaand here we go again with sidor’s obsession for posting the fantasy contents of his skull as if they were “history”

          Meanwhile back in reality, the N@zis were all excommunicated in 1933.

    • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

      Make it Tudor terror: Henry VIII and Elizabeth were as bad as Mary.

      • justejudexultionis

        Roman Catholicism is dreadful theology, whichever way you look at it.

        • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

          Disagree. But then I do know something about it.

      • sidor

        And the allied bombing of Germany was as bad as Auschwitz.

        An admirer of Guy Fawkes and Lord Haw Haw? Remember, remember the 5th of November.

        • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

          Lord Haw Haw wasn’t a Catholic, was he? Did you turn over 2 pages of “A child’s history book” by mistake?

          • sidor

            Problems with comprehension? Read again, slowly. Lord Haw Haw was talking about the terror of the allied bombing of Germany. It is of the same value as your talking about the Elisabeth’s terror. Elisabeth’s europhilic Catholic opponents were as bad as the Nazis .

            If you still didn’t get it: good and bad, in the scale of History, is determined by the purpose and results, not by the procedure used for obtaining the results.

          • Simon Fay

            Spoken like a true monster.

          • sidor

            To be sure I understand what you mean: you too view the allied bombing of Germany as a mass murder? Yes/no would suffice for the answer.

          • Simon Fay

            “Yes/no would suffice for the answer.”

            Would it now, you disingenuous little creep?

    • JabbaPapa

      Such a place would pale in size to the museum of Protestant Terror and Genocide.

  • victor67

    Or a museum of British or French imperial terror?
    No hands are clean are they.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “Or a museum of British or French imperial terror?”

      I’m not aware of the British or French each summarily executing tens of thousands of native holy men (clergy in the Western tradition) over a period of four years, nor destroying temples or turning temples into Christian houses of worship, as Lenin turned cathedrals into museums for atheism. In fact, the British in India used native culture/religion to adjudicate certain judicial proceedings. British judges in India had to be experts in both Hindu/Muslim/Sikh customs as well as British common law.

      • justejudexultionis

        The British killed about 20,000 Boers and 40,000 Blacks (mostly non-combatants) in concentration camps during the Second Anglo-Boer War. Do you think that counts as nothing?

        • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

          “The British killed about 20,000 Boers and 40,000 Blacks (mostly non-combatants) in concentration camps during the Second Anglo-Boer War. Do you think that counts as nothing?”

          I already mentioned that below. The ‘British’ also killed 3 million Indians during the Bengal famine of 1943, but by 1900 the British establishment had already been co-opted by Marxists.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          In general the Blacks fought for the British as we had banned slavery and the Boer felt threatened by that. We were initially reluctant to arm the Blacks but it happened anyway.

          It was a war against a racist Boer regime and people were killed – that is what a war is.

        • vieuxceps2

          May we know the source of your statistics?

        • DaviddeAngelis

          Yes, Empires are bloody affairs, so what’s your beef with the British? You’ve heard of the Ottomans? Abassid? Persian? Shall i go on? Stop butt-hurting and do a bit of comparative research

    • justejudexultionis

      The French in Algeria killed well over 100,000 ‘natives’. 250,000 died in the Algerian War of Independence.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Small when compared to 60 million killed by Stalin.

    • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

      By and large the British Empire did a good job. Look at the shambles that arose when India, Pakistan and the African colonies tried to govern themselves.

      A museum of French terror, starting in 1789, would be good. This was of course a primitive form of communism.

      • justejudexultionis

        ‘Look at the shambles that arose when India, Pakistan and the African colonies tried to govern themselves.’ —

        The Indians were fine until the British came in the 18th century. Almost two centuries of British rule had destroyed Indian culture and social structures, hence the ‘shambles’ you describe. The British Empire, like all other empires, was exploitative and immoral.

        • http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.com/ ecclesiam

          “Fine” under the Mughal Empire?

          • vieuxceps2

            Poor old Juste, he knows sweet FA does he?

        • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

          “The Indians were fine until the British came in the 18th century.”

          No there were many wars between the princely states, but that’s not an excuse for British ascendancy in India. The British policy of making the world England was the policy, and I (being Irish; from the Republic) prefer a British influenced world than a Chinese, Japanese, Indian, etc. world.

          • Ridcully

            But they abolished the practice of suttee- the swines!

          • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

            “But they abolished the practice of suttee- the swines!”

            More British cultural insensitivity! And don’t get me really hot under the collar by bringing up the destruction of the Thuggee Sect…

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

        • OmnipotentWizard

          “The Indians were fine until the British came in the 18th century.” Hardly. The Hindus were poor and the ruler were foreign (Mugals).

          “The British Empire, like all other empires, was exploitative…” And many Indians did very well be exploiting it.

          Why do you think so many countries wanted to join the Commonwealth as soon as they became independent?

        • vieuxceps2

          So the Indians were fine before the British came? That was when they were ruled by muslim Moghuls was it? That’s why Hindu and Muslim butchere d each other upon independence was it? I don’t care if you hate yourself, but don’t rewriteour history to suit your own hypocritical political views.

          • Philip Bracq

            U just kept killing. Yuck.

        • Philip Bracq

          You destroy them, their elites and educated and then expect miracles. So dirty. UK empire is pure dirt and evil.

      • victor67

        Slavery, Irish Famine, Highland Clearances, Amritsar Massacre,
        Boar war concentration camps and many more.

        • Riktorscale

          Brutal sure. But not 95million dead brutal which is still in living memory. Most people are also quite against these things. We have politicians who are still Marxist and even have Mao as their political hero (Diane Abott).

          Communism was a failure with the biggest death count we know of. But still people insist that it is a great thing. I don’t think politicians or anybody support the Irish famine or the Highland clearances or slavery etc

          • victor67

            I agree not the same level of brutality but no grounds for us to preach morality given our history.

            Also Marx and Engels would have been abhorred by Stalin and Mao and would have wanted nothing to do with them.

          • Riktorscale

            I think the point is though that it’s history. Britain doesn’t act like it previously did and most people have realised that was bad and moved on. You don’t get many politicians and ordinary people talking about how great slavery is.

            However taking your point about Marx and Engels, even so you still get Stalinists and Maoists in modern politics. Most notably Diane Abbot and Jose Manuel Barosso. For some odd reason it’s totally fine to support these psychopaths in the present.

          • vieuxceps2

            “Marx and Engels would have been abhorred by Stalin and Mao”. Why?

          • Philip Bracq

            UK killed even more. The most disgusting empire….ever.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Its the concentration camps red herring!!!

        • vieuxceps2

          Slavery aboished in 1807, Irish famine caused by potato blight all over Europe, Highland clearances carried out by their own Lairds to run sheep.Amritsar massacre by native sepoy soldiers, Boar (sic) war concentration camps deaths due to disease. “Many” more? Black Hole of Calcuttta and siege of Lucknow perhaps? Hindu/Muslim slaughter at independence? Rotherham, Rochdale, Derby, Oxford, Newcastle? And Many More?

          • victor67

            It wasn’t called the Butchers apron for no reason.
            Get over it the Empire is gone and we serve Pax Americana now.

          • vieuxceps2

            It was called “Butcher’s Apron” for lefty propaganda purposes, a name more suitable to the blood-red Hammer and Sickle. Yes, the Empire’s gone but By Jove ! it was damn fine while it lasted, doncha know. Era of the common man now, very common. Pax Americana .eh? Can’t ever beat good old Pax Brittanica.Where’s my Gunboat gone….

      • Philip Bracq

        Buy a brain…or two. At least, half one.

        • Ridcully

          Is yours for sale? “Good condition, never been used.”

    • OmnipotentWizard

      But most are a lot cleaner than Communism. Stalin alone may have caused 60million deaths.

      • Philip Bracq

        UK alone, hundreds of millions.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Wizard Rule 8: Just because you want something to be true
          that doesn’t mean it is.

    • vieuxceps2

      Yes, and Dutch and Begian and German and Danish and Italian and Spanish and Swedish and Roman and Persian and Egyptian and Greek and Japanese and Zulu and Arab and Hittite and Assyrian and turkish, not forgetting the Soviet Union of course and its many satellites. Aztecs and Incas anyone….?

      • Philip Bracq

        Mostly UK.

        • Ridcully

          Would you like some salt to go with that chip?

        • vieuxceps2

          Poor little Bracq,just says quack. Quack, quack.

  • justejudexultionis

    I hate godless communism but what about a museum to the victims of capitalism? The Nazis were ardent capitalists, were they not? And what about Thatcher? Wasn’t she a friend of that bloody (CIA-sponsored) dictator Augusto Pinochet – at least 3000 murdered?

    • OmnipotentWizard

      Capitalism saved more that it killed by a very long way. We now have greater longevity and lower infant mortality than at any time in history due to the wealth generated by global capitalism.

      Compare Pinochet’s 3000 with 2million deaths of the Khmer Rouge or 20million caused by Stalin.

      BTW: The Nazi’s practiced a command economy and so were never capitalist.

      • red2black

        Really? Plenty of big private companies did very nicely thank you out of it and are still operational today.
        Hitler’s recently published and researched Will shows that he was a Capitalist of the highest order.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          “Plenty of big private companies did very nicely thank you out of it and are still operational today.” I’m not sure what “it” is red?

          “Hitler’s recently published and researched Will shows that he was a Capitalist…” That is hardly true as the Nazi’s imposed a Command Economy as soon as they took power. A Command Economy is one of the key policies of all Communist and many right-wing states.

          • red2black

            The Third Reich. Google ‘list companies in third reich that exist today’ and take your pick.
            It seems a bit naive of you to think that those in power apply their policies to themselves.

      • Disqus Bolloqus

        You confuse capitalism with trade

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Capitalism begets trade. People won’t trade unless they can make a profit.

          • Disqus Bolloqus

            Capitalism is a system of economic organisation that favours the providers of capital over the interest of other participants. It’s nothing to do with profit

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Incorrect. Capitalism (with light touch regulation) is a system that ensures that the act of the providers of capital pursuing profits is harnessed to the benefit of all sections of society.

      • Philip Bracq

        Do you believe your load?

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Wizard Rule 64: A rude response is no substitute for a sound argument.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Wizard Rule 64: A rude response is no substitute for a sound argument.

          • balance_and_reason

            if you have no argument then abuse is all you have….socialists dilemma.

    • Ewan Lamont

      As the name suggests the National Socialists were…Socialist and anti Capitalist. http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/7-quotes-prove-adolf-hitler-proud-socialist/3/

    • Gweedo

      Capitalism doesn’t care who your political leaders are. It’s always there, ready to fulfill your desire for some stuff you need, and a lot that you don’t.

      • Disqus Bolloqus

        So why do capatist spend millions attempting to influence the outcome of elections, for e.g. in America?

        • Gweedo

          Capitalism pays for all the candidates. You can’t be too careful.

        • balance_and_reason

          oh dear…thats people wot do that…capitalism is a mechanism….not politics. This is what childish politicians of the left seem unable or unwilling to accept…because it craters their argument.

    • balance_and_reason

      no the nazi’s were basically centralising socialists….big state. 3000 by Pinochet…doesn’t even register on the richter scale of dictatorship murder….yet it is always the one reeled out by the communist apologists…unbelievable. Pol pot killed more than that in one nasty average day.

      • sidor

        The first emperor Qin 2200 years ago was an admirer of a centralised state. Was he a socialist?

        • Rob

          By name, or by intent?

          • sidor

            By the classification. If this exists in any rational form. Do you know what is “centralised socialism”?

          • Rob

            There is no classification. Politics is often a basket of ideas given a name merely so it can be identified without having to write a paragraph to explain it.

        • balance_and_reason

          The first emperor of China…english pronunciation…shi wuang tee…was a murderous slaughterer…but unified the country, the language, the systems of weights and measures etc etc etc….he was not a socialist…he was an emperor…..

          • sidor

            Reading Wikipedia is useful. But I presume you know nothing about his economic program.

          • balance_and_reason

            you are wrong, that much I knew all ready….

          • sidor

            If you know that much, tell us about his economic principles.

          • balance_and_reason

            if you know so much you would know that very little detail remains of his economic principles; and nothing is known about his views’s on the single european currency….but I suspect he would be in favour..backed by a ruthless campaign to eradicate all national sovereignty….with a special deal for all pottery enthusiasts.

          • sidor

            The economic principles of Shang Yang are quite simple, and historically proved very efficient. The main point is to reduce the number of parasites. The more people work in production, the better for the economy. Particularly, the number of traders must be regulated by regularly bankrupting them. If the traders are too many, farmers get poor, and the state gets poor. The government must maximise the economic dynamics by making rich people poor and poor people rich.

            The only group of people benefiting from the common currency are banks. Pure parasites. And the sovereign debt in the EZ is growing.

          • JabbaPapa

            The main point is to reduce the number of parasites

            aaaah yes, and here we are again with the radical Protestant justifications of genocide again.

            You were born in the wrong century sidor — you’d have been happier in Cromwell’s time, helping organise the mass murdering of all those Catholics

          • balance_and_reason

            There is very little remaining of Shi huang ti’s period of rule….there was almost certainly not a free market economy, banks, and power resided in the emperor, his coterie and a strictly hierarchical bureaucracy with discipline that would have reduced the north Koreans to tears….your allegory is misplaced and clearly just a backdoor attempt to smear capitalism….fail.

          • sidor

            A small free lecture.

            1. A free market cannot exist according to the games theory.

            2. Market economy using trade for money existed for thousands years before banks were invented.

            3. Developed market economy cannot exist without strict legal discipline, strong central power and developed bureaucracy. A police state based on the strict rule of law first established by Shang Yang is necessary.

          • balance_and_reason

            you agreed with some of my points, contradicted yourself and also are dead wrong on some points..all in three short items…congratulations.

          • sidor

            Where exactly contradict and where exactly wrong? You will be congratulated after having pointed out. Otherwise, I expect thanks for the free lecture.

          • JabbaPapa

            All praise our Chinese Imperial Totalitarian Police Overlords !!!

  • Sean L

    What distinguishes Marxism from the other causes of mass death is that no one’s promoting a political agenda with the Irish potato famine or “capitalism” as a final solution to all economic and political ills. I put *capitalism* in quotes because it’s used to refer to the economic system that operated in both Marx’s time and ours, and as such is meaningless. Unless the NHS, labour laws, welfare state etc count for nothing. And Marxism itself of course, as an ideological influence in bringing about such reforms. Indeed the only societies that have ever realised institutions and practices remotely resembling leftist ideals are those damned as “capitalist”. Try getting free health care, free *anything* elsewhere, at least anywhere you don’t have to queue for bread etc, where people don’t risk their lives trying to flee from for a “capitalist” refuge. But nothing is as capitalist as the left itself, as no other economic arrangement generates the necessary surplus to pay for such a luxury as a left. Which is itself a Marxist idea, since Marx saw “capitalism”, his word after all, as a necessary stage towards the development of fully fledged socialism.

    • sidor

      The funny point of what you wrote is that the term “capitalism” was introduced by Marx. Marxism, as an economic theory describes capitalism as a special form of market economy. Therefore, anyone using the word “capitalism” is a Marxist.

      • Sean L

        Absolutely right: the very notion of defining a society purely by its economic arrangements, its “mode of production” is Marxist or at least Marxian, to distinguish those who actually advocate Marxist doctrine from those innocently conditioned by it. All “capitalism” stands for today is an idealisation of our economy. Though in our case, given the extent of the state sector, we could with no less validity use the term “socialism”: certainly when compared with the living and working conditions of Marx’s time, that he himself experienced; at least the living bit, given that his workplace was the British Library.

        • sidor

          Ask 100 people pronouncing “capitalism”: what is it? I don’t think you find one who would be able to give an intelligible answer. Most probably, would be a general bullshit about the “free market”, which again they cannot define properly. Most of the people discussing politics are stupid and lack basic education.

  • Sean L

    Why is Marxism itself never subject to a Marxist reading as “ideological”: a job creation scheme for “intellectuals”?

    • JabbaPapa

      You might need to apply to become French if you’re interested by the job :-)

      • Philip Bracq

        Much better than anything else. Thanks for saying it.

  • sidor

    When will the French stop celebrating Bastille and organise a museum of victims of the democratic terror, including the executed king and his wife?

    • Rob

      Which system has proven to be most agreeable to future generations?

      • sidor

        Thanks for your clear answer. You just confirmed what I have already said here: what matters in history is not means but ends. Good and evil are discriminated not by the means used, but by the goal and the result. The Chinese are perfectly happy about what Mao did because they live now immeasurably better than their ancestors 100 years ago.

        Conclusion: the article is just a demagoguery written for a political purpose.

        • Rob

          China is flourishing because it has abandoned Communism.

          The resulting state of a political situation can be worth many millions of lives, but only if it brings improvements to those that come after. Communism hasn’t done that

          • Riktorscale

            Aye good post. China is doing well because of Deng Xiaoping’s economic reforms.

          • sidor

            What you write is a vulgar form of Marxism. What Mao achieved cannot be discussed in these idiotic terms of socialism/capitalism. To understand what he did you have to learn a lot about the history of China and Chinese classical literature. Mao repeated what the first Qin emperor did 2200 years ago, both ideologically and administratively. The Chinese understand it, that is why they admire him.

          • Rob

            Whether they admire him or not is immaterial when you consider that China is now now a global trading power.

            The question that will be answered in the future is whether China can continue to use state control to order the population in the face of an expanding wealthy middle class.

          • sidor

            Again, you need to know the history of China to discuss what is going on. They have 2500 years of experience of how to regulate the economy and the population. What you say is like a New Guinea aborigine discussing the European politics.

      • sidor

        Thanks for your clear answer. You just confirmed what I have already said here: what matters in history is not means but ends. Good and evil are discriminated not by the means used, but by the goal and the result. The Chinese are perfectly happy about what Mao did because they live now immeasurably better than their ancestors 100 years ago.

        Conclusion: the article is just a demagoguery written for a political purpose.

    • Philip Bracq

      Most probably, when you guys stop killing.

  • Disqus Bolloqus

    Is non Communist terror ok?

    No?

    Therefore rather than Comunist Terror, why not just Terror.

    • Rob

      Rather than a pen museum, we should have general stationary museums?

  • Patrick Hermon

    “this generation….does not seem to understand the connection between communism and terror” well explain it to us then please? you have named a number of atrocities committed by communist leaders. They were all also men, are we failing to understand the connection between men and terror. Pol pot was a buddhist, Hitler Christian are we failing to understand the connection between religion and terror?

    • JabbaPapa

      Pol pot was a buddhist, Hitler Christian

      Both atheists in fact.

      • MisterApe

        Hitler was definitely Christian!

        But he was also a c***…. which I reckon is the more important factor in his case.

        • JabbaPapa

          Try reading his more personal writing, and testimony of what he thought in private, instead of the demagoguery he served to the German public.

          He hated religion, described Faith in God as degenerate, stupid, and effeminate, and the N@zi plan was to destroy all religions and all religious faithful who refused to adhere to its evil ideology.

          • William Matthews

            Absolutely. Hitler was a new-age spiritualist if anything. Some say the German armies failure in Russia was because an astrologer told Hitler that the winter in Russia would be warm.

          • red2black

            Hitler was whatever he wanted to be when and wherever it suited his purposes. Even the briefest reading of his contradictory statements on his religious beliefs (along with a lot of other things) is more than ample proof of that.

    • Philip Bracq

      UK leaders were murdering good Christian leaders. Same brown stuff.

  • rjbh

    Tory Terror would do… after all they make people kill themselves,.

  • rjbh

    Tory Terror would do… after all they make people kill themselves,.

  • Philip Bracq

    Let’s face it. UK empire is pure evil.

    • JabbaPapa

      Let’s face it, you **do** rather enjoy talking utter bollocks, don’t you ?

  • Philip Bracq

    You guys are arguin about what crap is better. All brown stuff.

  • Hegelman

    In proportion to population Winston Churchill was a far bigger killer than Stalin.

    He refused after years of taking food out of India to alleviate a famine in the Indian province of Bengal in 1943 (British rule in India was replete with famines each killing millions, so one has to
    specify the place and year) killed one tenth of its population – about 3 million people.

    Despite desperate pleas for famine relief from the British Viceroy in India, Lord Wavell, Churchill refused aid until millions were dead. This was after he had been draining food from India
    for years, and when millions of Indians were fighting on the side of Britain.

    What is more, Churchill forbade the US and Australia to send famine relief to Bengal either, as they offered to do. So Australian ships filled with grain by-passed a starving Bengal whose fields and roads were lined with the dead and dying.

    In the Whites Only clubs of Calcutta the British ate and drank without stint, as did Churchill
    at home. (One of his ministers, Lord Reith, seeing the food bill for a Churchill-Roosevelt summit, commented,”I wonder how much Roosevelt got.”)

    Wavell wondered in his published diaries if the Churchill Cabinet was not the most contemptible Britain had ever had. (See “The Viceroy’s Memoirs”, London, 1970).

    Other colleagues of Churchill were disgusted by his Bengal famine policy, too. Lord Alanbrooke, his
    Chief Military Adviser, remarked, “Winston seems content to starve Indiawhile using it as a military base.” See Patrick French’s well known book on India’s transition to Independence, “Liberty or Death”.

    Desperate famine victims thronged the streets of Calcutta while the British were feasting in their clubs and hotels; some tried to get into the hospitals but were thrown out by British staff who pointed out that they weren’t ill but merely starving. A distinction that would have pleased Iain Duncan Smith.

    Churchill forbade India to use its own ships and money to bring in food; later British rulers stopped India from applying to the UN for famine aid; so Indian contributions to the UN
    went to feed Europeans while Indians starved.

    A highly praised history of this appalling episode in the life of Britain’s supposed greatest man is Madhusree Mukerjee’s “Churchill’s Secret War”. It has been lauded by the leading Churchill authority, Sir Max Hastings. His review of the book is in the The Sunday Times.

    • Den Iv

      Western propaganda is a dirty one and they claim Russia is a propagandist state. Every second US movie has a bad russian or a bad Russian state that want to destroy someone. And yes. every second movie is about how good American guy save an arab in Irak or Afganistan. That’s pathetic, USSR is a puppet comparing to US propaganda.

      • JabbaPapa

        Every second US movie has a bad russian or a bad Russian state that want to destroy someone

        What, even “When Harry Met Sally”, “Titanic”, and “Gone With The Wind” ???

        • Den Iv

          “Rocky IV”, “The sum of all fears”, “Bridge of spies” movies i watched this week. And even in Super 8 that i re-watched Friday a crazy lady says is a russian invasion. And you claim Russia make propaganda? Open eyes. Or how about movie series that run now on my local cable tv, “The Americans” and “Secretary of state” and a brave heroic movie about USA soldiers “The Unit”.

          So have Russia the right to pay back in the same coin?

          • JabbaPapa

            Just because YOU like that rubbish doesn’t mean that 50% of all US cinema productions include anti-Russian contents.

          • Den Iv

            So you call Bridge of spies “rubbish”? :)))) And 90% of simple Americans watch rubbish like this and they will be the first to enroll to army to defend holy America from bad Russians. SO cut the crap and just accept that your state brainwash the same way.

  • Hegelman

    Even as late as the 1950s the British were carrying out massive genocidal atrocities. In Kenya scores of thousands of people were hung or suffered extreme torture in concentration camps. In proportion to population that is worse than what Stalin did.

    • JabbaPapa

      “massive genocidal atrocities” — “thousands of people”

      Did nobody ever instruct you in how to use vocabulary in an accurate manner ?

      So, you’re just another freakish PC loony lefty “liberal” hater of everything pertaining to Western Civilisation ? Upvoting yourself via sockpuppet no less ?

      The only people who might take you seriously are those whose “education” has left in the exact same state of ideologised, indoctrinated, sheer and utter ignorance as yourself.

  • Hegelman

    Even in the 1980s the US and Britain supported racist South Africa in campaigns of genocidal destruction in Angola and Mozambique which killed more than a tenth of the African populations.

    Talk about atrocities ? How about a museum to Western mass killings even in the last few decades?

    • Jonah Varlik

      Utter crap. The Third world war of which Southern Africa was a part had vast numbers of Africans killed by Communist terrorists. More black Africans died under Mandela’s revolution and ethnic cleansing 1990 – 1994 than died in the entire SWA military area in 30 years. You lie like a bloody state president.

      I was there – where where you, you lousy communist?

  • Hegelman

    I hate Stalin as much as anyone has ever done, but it has to be said that after the Soviet archives became available after the Soviet collapse historians in the West have had to drastically cut down estimates of those who perished under his regime. It was nowhere near the 20 or 30 millions claimed by Cold War propagandists.

    A very anti-Soviet historian in the US, Timothy Snyder, estimates that between 2 and 3 million people perished in the Gulag and in Siberian deportation and a high proportion of those were Old Guard Bolsheviks fanatically loyal to the Soviet Union whom Stalin hated and feared the most.

    See Snyder’s article in the New York Review of Books: google under his name and the title, Who Was Worse, Hitler or Stalin?

    • Den Iv

      How about 2.5 mil prisoners in US is more or less that people in Gulag? Why nobody speaks about it and not open some museum about Guantanamo,

    • JabbaPapa

      Let me guess — your current political hero is Corbyn .

      • Hegelman

        You are as wrong about that as about all else.

        • JabbaPapa

          Kim Jong Un ?

          How many guesses can I have ?

          • Jonah Varlik

            JAcob Zuma? Oh no, he’s not a marxist, just a hedonist

      • William Matthews

        Don’t be silly, far too right wing 😉

      • Jonah Varlik

        Probably bloody Mandela

    • http://www.GULAG.ru The Great Stalin

      “It was nowhere near the 20 or 30 millions claimed by Cold War propagandists.”

      You are right. Russian historians now put the number at around 40 million plus.

      • Hegelman

        You can argue about that with Timothy Snyder. He is very anti-Soviet, by the way.

        I have been reading a book by the very anti-Soviet US historian Richard Pipes who records that the number killed in the Red Terror amounted to some scores of thousands. Many more were slaughtered in the White Terror: 200,000 Jews in the Ukraine alone. The Red Terror was peanuts even in comparison with Winston Churchill’s killings in Kenya in the 1950s. Pipes notes that Soviet concentration camps were on a very small scale in Lenin’s time. The British invented such camps.

        • http://www.GULAG.ru The Great Stalin

          I am not remotely interested in debating this with you. I have studied the subject in depth. The least you need to bring to the discussion is an open mind: yours clearly is formed by ideologies and biases that have already decided your position for you.

          The Empire no doubt wasn’t without its faults. But the subject under discussion is the evils of Communism. At least read the three volumes of Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s “GULAG Archipelago” and educate yourself.

          • Hegelman

            I read Solzhenitsyn a long time ago. Historians today regard his numbers as reckless exaggeration and he was also a virulent anti-Semite. He blamed the Revolution on the Jews. As if Russians did not choose Jews to show their anti-racism at the time and as if there would have been a Russian Orthodox Church without the Jews and as if Stalin had done a bar mitzvah. Solzhenitsyn was a petty bigot and despised in post-Soviet Russia. Russians have a high literary standard and Solzhenitsyn’s reputation collapsed among them when someone pointed out that his Russian was lousy.

          • Jonah Varlik

            Aleksandr Isayevich. The last word on the subject

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “A very anti-Soviet historian in the US, Timothy Snyder, estimates that between 2 and 3 million people perished in the Gulag and in Siberian deportation…”

      ‘The total figure of civilians deliberately killed under Stalinism, around six million…”

      http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

  • Bertie Wooster

    My wife’s great grand parents all died in 1932 of deliberate starvation in Ukraine thanks to Stalin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

    • The Reincarnated Sausage

      Yup. My forebears on my father’s side suffered a similar fate

    • Den Iv

      In Lvov?

      • Bertie Wooster

        I’ll ask my wife for more details. She was brought up in Kiev but has family in various parts of Ukraine. Her father was involved in the clean up of Chernobyl, which was another example of communism at work.

        • gunnerbear

          No….Chernobyl was an example of stupidity at work…..just as the loss of Herald of Free Enterprise proved it was utterly stupid to take a Ro-Ro to sea wih the bow doors open……just as the determination to de-man the Medway River defences was such a piece of English f**kwitism that the Dutch got to sail up the Medway virtually unchallenged…

    • Hegelman

      In proportion to population Winston Churchill was a far bigger killer than Stalin.

      His refusal after years of taking food out of India to alleviate a famine in the Indian province of Bengal in 1943 (British rule in India was replete with famines each killing millions, so one has to specify the place and year) killed one tenth of its population – about 3 million people.

      The Ukrainian famine was a very bad event but there is no proof Stalin intended it deliberately. Kazakstan was even more badly hit and Southern Russia suffered too. It was the result of stupid and hasty agrarian policies.

      India suffered colossally from famines under the British which they refused point blank to alleviate. In India since the British left there has never been a big famine.

      • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

        “His refusal after years of taking food out of India to alleviate a famine in the Indian province of Bengal in 1943 (British rule in India was replete with famines each killing millions, so one has to specify the place and year) killed one tenth of its population – about 3 million people.”

        By 1900 Britain’s establishment had long been co-opted by Marxists…

        ‘The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848(1) taught Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly,(2) so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions.(3) In the case of the United States, while we don’t know when exactly the Democratic Party was co-opted by Marxists, thanks to the peculiar historical nature surrounding the founding of the Republican Party(4), we do know when exactly the party of Lincoln was co-opted.’ …CONTINUE READING…

        https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

        ‘In one of the many senseless campaigns fought on the Western Front, the Cambrai campaign (20 November 1917 – 7 December 1917) witnessed more than 44,000 casualties, including 7,000 servicemen of the United Kingdom and South Africa dying for little ground gained. That 44,000 casualty figure should have been used instead for the more critical campaign against the Bolsheviks in Petrograd, resulting in the re-entry of Russia into the war, thereby sparing the exhausted Allies the prospect of facing (1) thirty German divisions previously deployed against Russia on the Eastern Front;* (2) Austro-Hungarian divisions freed from the Russian Western Front (twenty-three Austro-Hungarian divisions); and (3) Ottoman divisions freed from the Caucasus Campaign. In fact, a 60,000 strong Allied military unit was already in Russia (the Ukraine) at the time–the Czechoslovak Legion–and could have been used to overthrow the Bolsheviks if the Allied powers so wished. Instead, the Czechoslovak Legion was sent on a 6,000 mile odyssey across Russia, its destination Vladivostok on the Pacific coast for passage back to Europe and the war, instead of sending the legion 700 miles due north to Petrograd and collapse the Bolshevik coup. The politicians of the West were doing all they could to (1) protect the fledgling Bolshevik regime in Petrograd; while (2) sabotaging every opportunity to immediately get Russia back into the war before the Bolshevik position had strengthened throughout Russia. Only when the position of the Bolsheviks was relatively secure would the Allied powers mount campaigns to supposedly overthrow the Bolsheviks (North Russia Intervention and Siberian Intervention), campaigns that were sure to fail due to the lackluster number of soldiers assigned to both missions (though the Japanese contingent of 70,000 soldiers deployed to the Siberian Intervention is a minimum number one would expect from the combined American, British and French contingent, whose actual total complement registered an anemic 10,250 soldiers up against 600,000 Bolsheviks) and the remote locations for the soldiers’ landings–Archangel (British, French, Italian and American), Murmansk (British, French, Italian and American) and Vladivostok (American, British, French, Canadian, Italian, Polish, Chinese and Japanese)–far from the Bolshevik’s Command and Control center located in Petrograd (Saint Petersburg), where too the Bolshevik’s leadership (Central Committee) is located.’ …CONTINUE READING…

        https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/the-marxist-co-option-of-history-and-the-use-of-the-scissors-strategy-to-manipulate-history-towards-the-goal-of-marxist-liberation

        “The Ukrainian famine was a very bad event but there is no proof Stalin intended it deliberately. Kazakstan was even more badly hit and Southern Russia suffered too. It was the result of stupid and hasty agrarian policies.”

        Sabotaging market prices for grains isn’t stupid or hasty policy, it’s intentional genocidal policy.

      • JabbaPapa

        In India since the British left there has never been a big famine

        Amazing what the introduction of industrial and household refrigeration devices has achieved, isn’t it !!!

        Meanwhile Stalin’s reign of terror involved mass murders and gross religious & political persecutions. The industrial & agricultural failures of the USSR added to the misery certainly, but to deduce from them that “there is no proof Stalin intended” any deaths “deliberately” is ludicrous.

        • Hegelman

          In India there is very little refridgeration (not needed for grain anyway, you fool). And the railways even now are no faster than in British times. And we are talking about many decades after the Forties when conditions of agriculture and transport had not improved. Yet there was no wholesale famine as happened decade after decade after decade under the British. About 25 million perished in the nineteenth century alone. MIke Davis’ book “Late Victorian Holocausts” is good on this appalling subject.

          • JabbaPapa

            Do the Indians eat nothing but non-perishable foodstuffs ? Crikey, I’d better go back to all those curry joints and demand refunds.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Politically motivated garbage.

      • dr.viraj pradhan

        Hegelman,Stalin is supposed to have killed more people than Hitler.Yet,in India,the Marxists display his photo at their meetings.Regards,

        • dr.viraj pradhan

          Thanks,Norman Wells.Could you let me know if Labour is the Left in Britain?

          • The Banana

            Unfortunately, it is.

        • dr.viraj pradhan

          Thanks,Erwin R/Norman Wells for up voting me.

        • dr.viraj pradhan

          Thanks ErwinR for up voting me.

      • Bertie Wooster

        Your comments are disgusting and clearly detached from reality.

      • Colonel Mustard

        History through the eyes of a communist zealot, eh? Two legs bad, four legs good and all that.

        Greenough has argued convincingly that the 1943 famine resulted from the breakdown of traditional rural Bengali obligations of economic help, charity and patronage. He concludes that the famine was caused by Bengali men “In short, the “man-made” famine was culturally patterned in its onset, crisis and denouement”.

        • Jonah Varlik

          Currently, hundreds of thousands have died in Africa due entirely to the (Marxist) global warming myth and the deviation of food to ethanol.

      • Jonah Varlik

        And now there are famines throughout the former Empire territories in Africa – including Rhodesia, which once exported vast quantites of food to the rest of Africa.

    • red2black

      An often-quoted point is that seed for the next year’s planting was removed along with grain, and the question is asked as to whether this was done deliberately or through ignorance. Malcolm Muggeridge reported on the situation in Ukraine, but they seem to have pretty much fallen on deaf ears.

      • Bertie Wooster

        My wife is actually half Russian/Ukrainian (like so many) but identifies more as a Ukrainian. Her feeling is that this was a deliberate strategy by Stalin to crush any notion of Ukrainian independence and especially what remained of the educated middle classes who were often given worse treatment.

        Stalin wanted to destroy any semblance of resistance and forced starvation proved remarkably effective as some even turned to cannibalism in desperation. Food was loaded onto trains by force and taken to Russia.

        Later on when Hitler arrived in Ukraine he also took the food but he was also interested in the fertile black soil. My wife’s grandmother was taken by force to Germany and had to work in a factory for the duration of the war.

        A couple years ago I read that China had plans to lease several millions acres of Ukrainian farmlands for 50 years because of the fertile soil. More recently I read that Ukraine has the potential to grow enough crops for the entire European union, so it has enormous potential.

        Sadly a mixture of state corruption and bullying neighbours always seem to ensure the general population has a pretty miserable time. We send over a few hundred American dollars every month just to help her parents get by.

        • red2black

          No matter who it’s inflicted by, suffering always seems to be the same for the people subjected to it.
          I have a friend whose wife is Russian, whose family was in the Siege of Leningrad, though I don’t know whether they survived or not. Such things are beyond most people’s comprehension.

        • JabbaPapa

          More recently I read that Ukraine has the ability to grow enough crops for the entire European union

          oooh !! oooh !! careful there, you might be setting yourself up as a target for the mass starvation/overpopulation/eugenicist/abortion & contraception trolls lurking in these forums !!!

      • Jonah Varlik

        The Guardian refused to publish his reports.

        • red2black

          I didn’t know that, and shame on them for not being prepared to. Not that I’m a Guardian reader.

    • Jonah Varlik

      And the Left in the UK at the time were either dismissing reports of the famine as lies, or following the eggs and omelette analogy.

      • Bertie Wooster

        Nowadays our left wing cheerleaders in chief A.K.A the BBC would declare that Stalin must be right wing because he is doing bad things. They’ve spent decades telling us the Nazis (national socialists) were far right and more recently they’ve decided that North Korea has suddenly become far right wing. I could cite other examples.

        • Jonah Varlik

          Yes, as Malcolm Muggeridges said, the “Left” and “Right” represented by Stalin and Hitler were just two sides of the same coin.

          • gunnerbear

            Yep….because Communism, Fascism, ‘Peron-ism’, ‘Pinochet-ism’, ‘Franco-ism’ etc. are all totalitarian systems. There might be tiny differences in how the state under each is organised but they are all totalitarian systems.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

    “Britain needs a museum of communist terror”

    Yes, to remind those who today still flirt with Marx’s ideas, such as the following illuminating ideas Marx had regarding the ‘War on Religion’…

    Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/

    ‘The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.’

    …and…

    ‘The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.’

    …and…

    ‘It is, therefore, the task of history, once the other-world of truth has vanished, to establish the truth of this world.’

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm

    The West also needs to establish ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ tribunals for the tens of thousands still living throughout the USSR who criminally abused their populations.

    Of the fifteen republics that made up the USSR, only Estonia established a commission to investigate Crimes Against Humanity committed by its citizens. However, the reason Estonia created such a commission had nothing to do with bringing justice for the victims of Nazism and Communism, otherwise the commission’s establishment would have occurred soon after the “collapse” of the USSR in December 1991, not in October 1998. The reason the commission was set up is because a cousin of the first “post” USSR president of Estonia – Arnold Meri – sent Estonians to concentration camps inside the USSR. With the first “post” Soviet president of Estonia – Lennart Georg Meri – being the cousin of a government official who conducted systematic attacks directed against the Estonian civilian population, by 1998 the absence of such a commission had become a glaring oddity.

    The Estonian International Commission for Investigation of Crimes Against Humanity resulted in the indictments of only nine and convictions of eight. Four of the convictions involved no actual jail time…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Estonia

    Of the four that didn’t do jail time after their convictions, three were given probation, and the fourth was given a suspended sentence. The ninth defendant, Arnold Meri (cousin of President Lennart Georg Meri, whose trial began in 2008) …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Meri

    …died in April 2009, before the end of his trial. Nice timing, huh?

    How did Lennart Meri become Estonia’s first “post” Soviet President with such a notorious cousin? During the presidential campaign, the nationalist right tried to bring up questions about Meri’s alleged former links with the KGB. However, these allegations did not harm Meri’s reputation and public image. Why not?

    • http://www.GULAG.ru The Great Stalin

      The absolute core of the French and the Bolshevik Revolutions was and is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and of the Cross. Not the “rights”, not the crazy economics. A militant and undying hatred of Christ and of the Cross. And the West has fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

      • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

        “The absolute core of the French and the Bolshevik Revolutions was and is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and of the Cross. Not the “rights”, not the crazy economics. A militant and undying hatred of Christ and of the Cross. And the West has fallen for it hook, line and sinker.”

        Ah you take the prize! You see through the fake veneer that is called Marxism. Shall we take it one stop further? Let’s…most Marxists are what one would term ‘useful idiots’, that is puppets being manipulated by Satanist puppeteers, who pretend to be Marxist, but are well aware of the contradictions inherent in Marxism, contradictions as the following article lays bear…

        https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/the-poverty-of-karl-marx-s-dialectical-materialism

  • http://www.GULAG.ru The Great Stalin

    What’s this 100 million dead?

    The French historians’ review, “The Black Book of Communism”, suggests 400 million across the world as the number of prey killed by this demonic ideology.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “The French historians’ review, “The Black Book of Communism”, suggests 400 million across the world as the number of prey killed by this demonic ideology.”

      That wouldn’t include a count that includes Hitler and Mussolini, who were also Marxists…

      ‘The refusal of the World War I Allied nations of Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, France, Canada and the United States to overthrow the Bolshevik regime immediately after the 7 November 1917 coup in Petrograd1 shun a bright spotlight on not only the Marxist co-option of the Allies’ political establishments,2 but Marxist co-option of the Central Powers’ political establishments as well, since after the war those nations that constituted the Central Powers during the war failed after the war to alert the attention of the world to the Allies’ Marxist co-option, where the Allies protected the Bolshevik regime in Petrograd, even though Lenin’s war policy would remove Russia from the war, thereby strengthening the Central Powers against the Allies.

      World War I was a Marxist operation creating false oppositions for the purpose of causing chaos, where out of the ashes of chaos the Marxist global position would be stronger. The official term Marxists give to this false opposition tactic is the Scissors Strategy,3 in which the blades represent the two falsely opposed sides that converge on the confused victims, simultaneously neutralizing true opposition while advancing the Marxist agenda.

      As soon as the World War I operation had ended, Marxists began planing for the World War II operation with the creation of that war’s two false opposition fronts, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and the National Fascist Party in Italy. Benito Mussolini was a well known and influential Marxist before the Comintern ordered that he take up a new identity as leader of the National Fascist Party. As for Adolf Hitler’s Marxist pedigree, one-third of Hitler’s SA, and later Gestapo personnel, were ‘former’ Marxists.4

      During the course of World War II Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, Chief of the Abwehr (German military intelligence), and General Reinhard Gehlen, Chief of the German General Staff’s intelligence unit for the Soviet Union and East European countries,Foreign Armies East (FHO), independently discovered that a group supervised by Deputy Führer Martin Bormann,5 second in command of Germany, was transmitting unsupervised coded radio messages to Moscow…’ …CONTINUE READING…

      https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/the-marxist-co-option-of-history-and-the-use-of-the-scissors-strategy-to-manipulate-history-towards-the-goal-of-marxist-liberation

      The Black Book of Communism…

      https://archive.org/details/TheBlackBookofCommunism10

  • EdwardWilson

    Why does this article omit to mention that Thatcher supported the monstrous Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge? How Thatcher gave Pol Pot a hand – New Statesman
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/…/how-thatcher-gave-pol-pot-h..

    • https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/home Dean Jackson

      “Why does this article omit to mention that Thatcher supported the monstrous Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge? How Thatcher gave Pol Pot a hand – New Statesman…”

      And failed to call for verification of the ‘collapse’ of the USSR, along with the rest of the West’s political establishments, the survival of the West depending on verification should the ‘collapse’ be a ruse, a ruse that KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn had already warned the West about thirty years earlier in 1961…

      https://archive.org/details/GolitsynAnatoleTheNewLiesForOldOnes

      Beginning to get the picture?

    • William Matthews

      I notice as well it doesn’t mention there are only 294 days til Christmas. I am outraged!

    • balance_and_reason

      same ol left wing dredging and blurring to smear….find a new record.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Rather thin whataboutery given the millions murdered by communists who were aided and abetted by their many useful idiots and worse in the West., e.g. Tariq Ali, doyen of the Viet Cong.

  • Colonel Mustard

    I see that this article has brought out all the communist mass murder apologists still hoping to repeat communist failure here in the UK

    • EdwardWilson

      No one on the left is apologising for them. Ironically, Pol Pot’s best friend in the UK was Maggie Thatcher who sen the SAS to train and supply the Khmer Rouge – just as the right-wing Nixon became Mao’s best mate. Dance on Thatcher’s grave, but remember there has been a …
      johnpilger.com/…/dance-on-thatcher-s-grave-but-remember-there-has-be…
      25 Apr 2013 – In 1983, Thatcher sent the SAS to train the “coalition” in its own … the government of John Major admitted to parliament that the SAS had indeed trained the “coalition”. “We liked the British,” a Khmer Rouge fighter later told me.

      • Colonel Mustard

        “No one on the left is apologising for them.”

        True. Too busy romanticising them.

    • Jonah Varlik

      The OFFICIAL line of the South African Communist Party: Communism will work. It only needs time. It only had 70 years in the Soviet Union and was about to triumph.

      You couldn’t make it up.

  • Aaron P

    This new museum should be a cover communist and national socialist (Nazis for short) terror.

  • Jonah Varlik

    I thought you already had one? The Guardian? We have one called Parliament.

  • Terence Hale

    The teeth are OK the gums are the problem. The purpose of museums is to collect, preserve, interpret, and display items of artistic, cultural, or scientific significance. Communist terror is an adjective of singularity and without its place in total a perspective remains propaganda.

    • Tickertapeguy

      Modern museums cover the gamut of issues.

  • Picquet

    Such a museum would be considered offensive and misleading. I certainly can’t see that nice Mr McDonnell having anything good to say about it. He has the look of a middling apparatchik about him.

  • Bertie Wooster

    I think this monument in Prague says it pretty succinctly. https://infinit.io/_/CLgZDfg

    “This memorial to the victims of communism is dedicated to all victims, not only those who were jailed or executed but also those whose lives were ruined by totalitarian despotism.”

    • Tickertapeguy

      Saw the picture. Well stated monument for those who suffer from the cold hands of communism, Totalitarianism and Despots extends well beyond those counted.

    • Jonah Varlik

      True. Millions of people in Southern Africa have had thier lives ruined by Mandela’s Stalinist ideals.

  • GoldenBoy

    The problem is not really communism. I think various strains of communism find fertile soil in certain terrible conditions, and are capitalized on by terrible people. I prefer to refer to Stalin’s communism as Stalinism, Mao’s as Maoism.

    Communism, as naive, and flawed it is, does not necessitate mass killings and whatnots.

    In a sufficiently advanced and enlightened society, I can even imagine it to work.

    The House of Terror in Budapest is a great place, and I recommend people to visit it.

    • JabbaPapa

      The problem is not really communism. I think various strains of communism find fertile soil in certain terrible conditions, and are capitalized on by terrible people. I prefer to refer to Stalin’s communism as Stalinism, Mao’s as Maoism.

      Many in here also prefer to describe Stalin’s atheism as Stalinism, Mao’s as Maoism.

      There’s a tendency in all of us to want to look away from the truth rather than accept it — which goes a long way towards explaining why you might think : “In a sufficiently advanced and enlightened society, I can even imagine it to work.

      Communism cannot work because you can no more do away with the desire for property and profit than you could change the natural heterosexuality of our species with laws and propaganda.

      Attempts to change either of these truths about our nature can only be forced upon us through some form of violence, and the political repression or oppression of religions that refuse to accept attempts to destroy the institution of marriage is less violent only in degree to the mass murders and the police states that were and are used to enforce atheistic-communist régimes upon and against our nature.

      The desire for utopian régimes can only be satisfied by political impositions upon and against those who wish for a more realistic manner of human ambition.

    • Norse Notion No.9

      All socialism are “problem”. And leads to tyranny, poverty and stupidity (because of inherent denial of reality, among other things).

  • Sean

    All of these are examples of monumental acts of inhumanity caused by megalomaniac individuals and regimes terrorising innocent humans, but the fact that they were committed by self proclaimed ‘Communists’ is hardly their defining feature. What defines them is the inhumanity committed on such a scale by individuals and elites abusing their power.

    What difference does it make to the victims what ideology their oppressors pretended to be pursuing at their expense. It is arbitrary to make a distinction between dead and tortured victims of Moa in China and dead and tortured victims of Pinochet in Chile. They suffered the same fate. The basic premise of this article seems to lack objectivity and basic reasoning behind the position it has taken.

    • Daidragon

      Good answer.

  • thomasaikenhead

    “But is this widely recognised? No. Is it taught in our schools? No. Are there museums to remind us about it? No.’

    Now, why would this be the case?

    Because many of the victim of communist terror were members of the clergy and devout Christians.

    Many groups have a vested interest in denying the communist persecution of Christianity in a deliberate attempt to eradicate the history, heritage and contributions made by Christianity to society, especially in Europe.

    • Tickertapeguy

      True

    • Sean

      Which groups, and what are their interests?

      • thomasaikenhead

        Do your research?

  • Cyril Sneer

    We also need one for Neo-liberalism.

  • logdon

    coined the term ‘virtue signalling’

    For that he deserves a medal.

    They’re like the Hyacinth Bucket’s of modern life. As they say in Yorkshire, all top show.

    In a world where the sound-bite is king it was the left who stole the show. Glad we’re at last, fighting back.

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