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Torture, Dissidents and Talking to Dictators

Thursday, 23rd April 2009

Daniel Henninger in the Wall Street Journal today:

In New York this week, I asked a former Eastern European dissident who spent time in prison under the Communists: "If you were sitting in a cell in Cuba, Iran or Syria and saw this photo of a smiling American president shaking hands with a smiling Hugo Chávez, what would you think?"

He said: "I would think that I was losing ground."

Fair enough. Hugo Chavez isn't my cup of tea either. But it's hardly that unusual for American presidents to be photographed with autocrats and dictators. More importantly, however, if I were to ask a former Soviet dissident: "If you learned that the American government was waterboarding prisoners and using other techniques favoured by despotic regimes and that this policy was enthusiastically embraced by a hefty plurality of the American people and a majority of conservative pundits, what would you think?"

He might think: "I am losing ground and so is America".

Henninger continues:

The hopeful way to view the Obama administration's openings to Chávez, the Castros, Iran and the others would be: This had better work. Because if it doesn't, a lot of people who've spent years working in opposition to these regimes -- in hiding or in prison in Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, China, Russia, Burma, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Uzbekistan -- are going to get hammered.

There's something to that, though it ignores the reality that dissidents in many of these countries are going to get hammered regardless of what the American president does or doesn't. But again, it takes some gall to be complaining about these things when you've been supporting the policy of rendering prisoners to places such as, yes, Egypt and Syria where they can be interrogated using methods even the newly less-than-squeamish Americans find too much.

How is the (brave) Egyptian dissident supposed to feel then, knowing that the American government talks of openess and democracy in public while still propping up some of the dirty regimes it (perhaps reasonably) considers part of the problem for fear that, despite the fine words, something worse might replace them? This, for sure, is not an unreasonable position, even if it is not a pretty matter and a subject best avoided.

At best our Egyptian dissident will be resigned, appreciating that great powers have a gluttinous appetite for hypocrisy. But he might also feel a little bit betrayed.

It's possible that Obama's polcies won't work, but given the failures of the Bush years it would be folly indeed not to consider alternative approaches to some of these matters. Most of those alternative approaches won't work either, things being what they are and all. But Not Doing What the Last Guy did doesn't automatically mean Obama is "selling-out" or "losing" anyone. And as I say, assuming the moral high ground and marching off in great dudgeon is rich fare from a party that has embraced the notion that torture is a Good Thing because it "works".


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Abdulrazig Almansori

April 23rd, 2009 3:48pm Report this comment

The Impossible Democracy in Libya.
Therefore, please believe that there is no democratic system in Libya and will not be any, until the disappearance of those holly Libyan characters who make the Libyan similar to idol worshiper, although he knows it does neither harm nor use.
Read full article at:
http://blogs.amnesty.org.uk/blogs_entry.asp?eid=1141

ndm

April 23rd, 2009 6:27pm Report this comment

These days, well for many years really, I consider the Opinion page of the Wall Street Journal to be a madhouse.

Page A15 has four articles: "Obama Among the Dictators" by Aparatchick Henninger; "The President's Apology Tour" by Karl Rove; The World Depends on US-China Cooperation by William S. Cohen; and a book review "In Search of Auntie Em" by Evan I Schwartz.

Now God knows who Auntie Em is but it is good to see the Wall Street Journal is worried by a handshake even as it pushes for increased cooperation with the World's largest oligarchy.

DB

April 23rd, 2009 7:03pm Report this comment

A little reminder of what we're up against. Don't wuss out - force yourself to watch that video. You won't see it on the BBC.

porkbelly

April 23rd, 2009 9:24pm Report this comment

So now political dissidents in oppressive countries are morally equivalent to Al Qaeda killers? Here is what this whole controversy is really about, at its heart: like it or not, Bush's anti-terrorist policy worked. It was completely successful - there were no terrorist attacks on American soil after 9/11. And (whisper it) everyone knows that had Kerry or Gore or Obama been president we would not be able to say that. It is what we call an Inconvenient Truth. So the left is forced into contorting the facts to make it appear that things like waterboarding and other (admittedly unpleasant) interrogation techniques are somehow the equivalent of real torture as practiced in real tyrannies. Ever wonder why they don't waterboard in Iran or China? They don't need to - they execute dissidents with a bullet in the brain. Real torture isn't unpleasant or uncomfortable - it's fatal, or leaves permanent scars (such as John McCain bears). Get real here - all this frothing at the mouth is motivated not by hatred of torture but hatred of Bush (and those he represented). Obama's crawling and finger-pointing is going to result in one thing only: the spilling of more innocent American blood. Hopefully you don't get splashed, Alex.

Max Kaye

April 23rd, 2009 9:46pm Report this comment

Thanks DB.

It's nice to be reminded what we are fighting against.

Deegee

April 24th, 2009 5:31am Report this comment

Alex - i wish you wouldn't choose such interesting and blatantly misleading headlines. i am always woefully disappointed to be reminded what a simpleton you are. change can be good, but saying you'll try something different, and it doesn't matter if it works, as long as it's different is just - well - stupid. the actually efficacy of the change IS what its all about.

Hayward Maberley

April 25th, 2009 11:50am Report this comment

Handshakes viz. a smiling Rummy and Saddam when President Hussein was a US poster boy for being the US stalking horse against Iran.
At that time was not Bechtel in negotiaition to build an "Agricultural" Chemical plant for friend Saddam.

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