Did Obama Steal the Election?

Josh

This is one of those increasingly common 'symbolic beliefs,' like the one that Obama isn't an American citizen or that Bush planned 9/11. People will respond 'yes' to express their anger at the person in question; they might not be so quick to bet a few hundred dollars on the answer. Pollsters have made a sport of asking these increasingly outrageous questions to see who will say yes, but I'm not sure they reflect actual beliefs.

John

"David Frum is right." You've just invalidated every blog entry you will ever make.

Perhaps for Cameron's left-wing, big government Non-Conservatives he'd fit in perfectly.

However, if you want real conservatives, try Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, Jim DeMint, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and Gary Johnson to name but a few.

Wish we had some real conservatives in Britain but it seems there's only one - Daniel Hannan.

A basic test to tell whether someone is actually conservative: If they support government-run healthcare, they're not a real conservative. It's just insane that the state controls our health! Why don't we just let the state control our food too?! It's another basic human need afterall...

No wonder Britain is dying - political apathy and a fear of common sense have taken over. And now we're slaves to the European Union. Truly, Britain is gone - time for the Muslims to take over. At least they're passionate about something/ anything.

THX1138

Well in a recent poll in NJ Eighteen percent of “conservative” voters think Obama is the Anti-Christ. Seventeen percent are not sure.

Well I'm sure that 100% of them are nuts :)

T-bag

The government does control our food you reactionary numb-skull.

The FDA in the states and the MHRA in Britain.

They keep you from getting Salmonella from eating bad chicken breast, or a tape worm from eating tainted pork.

I would think that those goals would be a valid undertaking by any Democratic or other government.

But freedom ain't freedom unless 20% of children have a roundworm infection.

Beeafeater

Obama brainwashed people, hypnotized them, sold them fake snake oil, and then stole the election.

John

No, T-bag, I'm talking about the governmental controlling directly the means of food distribution and purchase. In other words, in stead of Tesco, Sainsbury's, Waitrose, Morrison etc. existing, we'd simply have an NHS equivalent for food. Would you like to go to an NHS-like building for your food?

Please make sure this comment is posted moderators. I feel it necessary to help T-bag understand the different between the government suggesting some necessary health warnings for food on the one hand and direct means of control and distribution on the other, like the NHS for health.

Ben

Sorry to barge into an Obama post with this Alex, but you're a hard man to get hold of. My question is, what about your support of the Megrahi "compassionate" release now? Still unwavering?

Conservative Cabbie

Alex

Because Democrats never think that their lost elections were stolen? I'll call your 52% and raise you 10%. In a June 2004 poll, 62% of Democrats thought that the forthcoming election would be stolen. That's even before the vote happened.

I do like that that was what you found newsworthy from that poll. You clearly decided that Obama polling at less than 50% wasn't interesting, or that a majority of Americans oppose his healthcare, that support among his African-american base for healthcare is shrinking, or that hispanics oppose his reforms by a 37% to 27% margin. Nope, none of those are newsworthy, just the acknowledgment that Republicans are no worse than Democrats is the only newsworthy story here.

Alex Massie

ConCabbie: You're right to raise the ghost of 2004 and I should have remembered to do so while I was writing the post. That would have helped my final point which is, ultimately, about the limits of polling. The sound to noise ratio is not always helpful.

Rhoda Klapp

The point of the story is that ACORN was not properly examined by the mainstream media during or after the campaign. We know they were registering false names. That was a natural result of their cash for forms process. We do not know for sure how many of the false registrations resulted in an illegal vote being cast, nor what effect those putative votes may have had. In a properly run system these questions would be investigated, by an honest electoral commission or a free press. Until that happens, how can you blame those on the losing side for doubting the results. Every time, both sides of the aisle? It doesn't make them loonies until a proper investigation has taken place, or proper mechanisms are put in place to ensure a fair election. Which mechanisms do not exist in the US, the UK or Scotland.

Beafeater

John at 8.04a.m.

To be fair, the NHS should carry a health-warning as well as food.
Come to think of it, the NHS should distribute food to the nation. Leave the choice of what and how much to eat to the health professionals. Healthy lifestyle for all.

A. MacAulay

And how many British persons would say that, say, Tony Blair was the Antichrist if an apparently serious polling organisation set such a question? I think 18% of Spectator Coffee House Wallers would X that box with unrestrained glee. Me too.