Prejudice Isn't Daring; It's Boring

Fergus Pickering

'I prefer to see people as individuals'. What exactly do you mean by that, Alex old son? Do you mean, for instance, that it is entirely reprehensible to attack the Tories as Etonian toffs? Do you mean that it is entirely wrong to castigate bankers as a class? Do you mean that the Scots should never speak of English wrongdoing? Or do you mean nothing more than a mild sort of liberal squeak which demonstrates your credentials as a regular sort of a guy?

THX1138

Well done Alex!

Nicholas

"There is, however, one area in which the reactionaries have a point: the left's inclination to see people as members of a group rather than individuals is tedious and, often, less than productive. Which makes one wonder why you insist on doing likewise, lumping all blacks (and all muslims) together as though skin colour or religion reveal, determine or dictate everything. Personally, I prefer to see people as individuals."

That is a good point but the desire to see everyone as an individual is perhaps too idealistic in the type of society created by almost 13 years of social engineering without a plan beyond the desire to destroy. The current establishment narrative seems to militate against individualism in favour of collective responsibility (or compliance) and I see no sign that will change under Cameron. What I think we are seeing is mainly a backlash against the "left's inclination" you describe. Although it is slightly more than an "inclination" as it incorporates fairly fierce propaganda, the manipulation of language, coercion and even legislative imposition. For example Harmon's radical political agenda could not be described as an "inclination".

I have long thought that the artificial imposition of "equality" by positive discrimination, the cult of multi-culturalism (which deserves a bit more analysis than it gets) and other socialist wheezes has had the opposite effect. It has created more tensions, divisions, tribalism and resentment. The Muslim gentleman on QT obviously thought so too.

It warrants a serious,mature and open debate somewhere between and beyond the extreme Harmon and human filth camps but alas it seems the subject is to be as polarised as the other big issues most affecting our country.

rach

Nicely done, Alex.

In2minds

My response to Liddle did not mention race but asked how such people, the ones referred to in the link in the Liddle article, could be so stupid. I've just checked the Liddle blog and neither he nor other responders can say. So Alex Massie can you?

Yow Min Lye

Much as I admire the old chain-smoking iconoclast, I fear Rod's attempt to highlight as abruptly as he has that a significant minority of black youngsters are causing disproportionate suffering to other Londoners (not least, pace Damilola Taylor, to the majority of their black peers who are NOT into crime and violence!) has merely offered succour to white supremacists.

At the very least he owes his readers some qualifications in amongst his assertions; and better still he owes decent black people everywhere an apology.

Marbury

Well said. He does love to pander, doesn't he? And to use every cliche at his disposal. Rod's the new Taki.

doris

...he's gonna be the new Jan Moir in a couple of hours if Twitter's anything to go by....

ndm

Great post.

I think it a shame that The Spectator is unwilling to contribute reason to discussion of immigration in Britain. The magazine prefers the more lucrative route of publishing outrage and attracting the outragous.

Rod Liddle and Melanie Phillips both confuse faux naivete about the effect of their writings with stupidity. They may claim to despise the BNP but they provide the intellectual backdrop to its existence.

Ross

Great post, next can you tackle the sickening racism of people who always try to link mafia activity to the Italian community..... [end sarcasm]

Jeremy

Rod is the irritant which produces the pearl. Leave him alone and let him get on with it. All that matters - and I think that I understand this - is his quality as a writer. Whether or not he adheres to the fashionable orthodoxies of the day is, quite frankly, neither here nor there....

Snowman

so dear Alex, and the supporting crew, how would you make it ‘provocative’ and ‘you know, interesting rather than boring’? Come on, enlighten the unwashed. More initiatives, more outreach for this and the other, more of the same but needing more, more and still more money, or what?

I do share your take on Rod’s short rant though. Useless, and missing the broader point by a mile and abit. At best, informative doped with a touch of frustration. The expanse of crime afflicts and issues from all layers of the society, and it’s getting worse. Perhaps, as a start we might have a go at reintroducing some real punishment into the criminal justice system, you know punishment that hurts rather than angers the miscreant. Might that not cut the re-offending rate a notch or two? Or am I being too provocative for your sensitive tastes?

ndm @ 8.10: wrong about the intellectual backing for the BNP, my friend, do the BNP supporters need to read Mel or Rod to get it, or do they live in it? Intellectual backing for them is as useful as a kick in the backside.

Olaf Rye

The colour of skin is irrelevant. We must judge people on their actions and hold them responsible for their conduct. In principle, people support this position but many of the leftist types then invoke colour to mitigate the sentences, claiming that because these villains are black they were forced into crime by a lack of opportunity ultimately occasioned by racist attitudes. Ask the criminals if they prefer sentencing by the white courts of Britain or face justice back home in the Caribbean and I guarantee you that they will choose the former because of our leniency and refusal to actually commit ourselves to those noble sentiments of treating people equally irrespective of skin colour.

Paul

Well done Mr Massie (and Ms Gore):

In my considered view Liddle has committed an offence under the Public Order Act ch64 of the Public Order Act (1986). Pity I don't work for the CPS.

Jeremy

Paul:

"Pity I don't work for the CPS."

A pity for you, perhaps, but no doubt a blessing for every writer of talent in the country.

full up

"Personally, I prefer to see people as individuals"

So do I, but a disproportionate percentage of non white individuals are to be found on the DNA data base. Why is this?

The simple fact Alex is, more people are inclined to agree with Rod than agree with you.

ndm

ndm @ 8.10: wrong about the intellectual backing for the BNP, my friend, do the BNP supporters need to read Mel or Rod to get it, or do they live in it? Intellectual backing for them is as useful as a kick in the backside.

I used the word backdrop not backing. When the 2M readers of the Daily Mail read her tripe some number of them are encouraged to believe that their racism has been given intellectual credence.

rod liddle

What typically sententious and ignorant drivel, Massie. The crime figures are a matter of public record. It is not, of course, blackness per se that is the problem; it is a cultural problem for young black males (young black females have no such problems). As such it will not be dealt with until we have accepted it as such - instead shovelling third division pieties to obscure the debate. We have a problem, in London and some of our other major cities, in which gun crime, knife crime, street crime and certain sex crimes are committed overwhelmingly, and massively disproportionately, by a certain sector of the population which can be defined by its age, gender and racial background. It does not matter how much drivel you spout, Alex, that is a plain fact.

Roy Smith

This is a typical multi-cult response to the landslide of readers reactions to the cesspool that is forced multiculturalism.

James Caine

Is this post a joke?

Is somebody guilty of a thought crime?

Give me strength!

daniel maris

I think Paul's post shows what the problem is and what Rod Liddle's post is directed against.

Not able to engage in argument, Paul wants your colleague prosecuted and presumably punished for his free speech.

Great - that's how you address serious social problems is it?

The Masked Marvel

Actually, it's far more likely that Rod Liddle posts things like that so he can chuckle at those po-faced racist ninnies he expects will chime in with their approval (One wonders sometimes if he has come to loathe most of his readers here). That he can now have an additional chuckle at your own po-faced response is a bonus. He knows he's fudging his facts. That's part of the game.

Nicholas

Paul, the responsibility to enforce the law is for the police rather than the CPS. It is difficult to see how the CPS could initiate a prosecution without police action first but I suppose everything is possible in a country whose constitution, laws and legal protocols have been trashed by socialist extremists.

David Vaughan

I recall Trevor Phillips saying on the Andrew Marr show pretty much what Liddle has said: that young black men are disproportionately involved in violent crime. It produced a reflexive little shudder from Marr, but of course no great controversy because Phillips himself is black.

Does Massie really think that in America, for instance, there is no link between ethnicity and violent gang culture? Come on Alex, surely you don't think that? Do you think the makers of The Wire are a bunch of inveterate racists? Or should Liddle think these things but never, ever say them?

Fearless Frank

Prejudice Isn't Daring; It's Boring
Well, it' certainly pushed your hit-rate above the average, Mr Massie!

saltirethinking

It's lovely in Selkirk at this time of the year.
Keep it up Rod.

terence patrick hewett

Actually the majority of crime in London is committed by Scots people. G. Brown Esq. the well known gonif heading the list.

James Walker

Even the BNP wouldn't sanction publication of the kind of drivel Rod Liddle is being paid to write - the BNP devolve responsibility for statements about "human filth" to their smaller, more blatantly pro-Nazi offshoots.

Rod Liddle defames entire communities with the kind of gutter-talk that (as an Anti-Fascist campaigner) I'm used to seeing on right-wing skinhead websites. That Rod resorts to factual distortions to substantiate his xenophobia concurs with my experience of modern Britain - speaking, that is, as a white Londoner who has been stuck-up at knife point THREE TIMES - BY OTHER WHITE PEOPLE.

John

Do Alex Massie and his supporters live in Bradford, Peckham, Thamesmead, Oldham or one of the other many front-lines of the enforced multi-cultural society?

No, I didn't think they did.

cmp

Yeah I think 'human filth' refers to those two individuals not black people in general.

Stuart Seacole Smith

To all the "well done", "great post", "way to go Massie-baby" type comments above, I would like to offer a different take.

Massie: horrible post. Another bit of confused liberal-ese.

Congratulations on deliberately re-interpreting Liddle's article and oh-so-bravely addressing points that weren't even made.

Like most lefty socioapologists, you're a true modern day Don Quixote, doing your plucky bit to keep society's attention focussed on the faddish, and away from issues that really need acknowledgement and dealing with. Pathetic.

THX1138

John I live 5 mins away from where the attack happpend that Liddle linked to and run along the Regents canal all the time ...And yes I still think it was great post.

I have lived my entire adult life in inner city LDN and I don't recognize the world Liddle writes about.

Marbury

Rod: "the crime figures are a matter of public record". Well, why haven't you produced any then? Come on, let's the figure that supports your main contention.

Godders

Alex Massie is an absolutely classic self-hater. Is he seriously suggesting that black societies are more stable and less violent than white ones? Can he cite a single example of a civilised, peaceful Black democracy.

Stuart Tate

Alex Massie states:

"Correlation does not equal causation."

I answer this with:

"They say “correlation is not causation” as if to imply that if you find a correlation, it’s proof of an acausal relationship."

http://www.amerika.org/2009/social-reality/solipsism-and-inversion/

Rob Marrs

Botswana - standard of living somewhere around that of Turkey or Mexico, fairly high levels of economic freedom, independent judiciary and parliamentary democracy. Springs to mind.

Godders

James Walker is one unlucky boy - 'stuck up' by white gangster in London.

Had he, by any chance, drifted into 1930's Brighton? Or the Wild West?

I've lived in the rougher parts of South London all my life and, believe me, you are either the unluckiest liberal chump around or colour blind

Leo McKinstry

All those attacking Rod for his supposed prejudice should take note of these words from the Reverend Jesse Jackson, delivered in Chicago in 1993 at a summit on street crime: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look round and see somebody white and feel relieved." I suppose Jesse Jackson is another vicious racist.

Craig Strachan

Yup, that's him telt!

Craig Strachan

Hey, maybe we can get an epistolary duel out of this?

Would Liddle vs Massie surpass such classics as Burchill vs Paglia or Hitchens vs Hitchens?

I say have at it, gents. I'll hold Alex's coat.

Craig Strachan

Alex: "If that were true one wonders why Glasgow's murder rate is two and a half times that of London."

Because Glasgow is full of Glaswegians. Obviously.

ndm

Clive Davis did a nice response to Rod Liddle.

revolution

Yes but how many white men throw acid into the faces of girls who have spurned them?
How many white people cut the cltoris off little girls?
How many white men murder their daughters in honour killings?
We welcome their diversity? Don't we?

Beefeater

There seems to be a large number of aggressive offense-takers - mostly white.

Snowman

ndm: when you next see Clive David please tell him that cleaning a toilet suits him. He should make it a permanent career move.

Peter Spring

No one appears to challenge the veracity of the core point - that in London [not Glasgow] the majority of a certain combination of crimes are committed by one particular group.

"The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community."

Without a statistical evidence to the contrary most people living in London will continue to believe Liddle is right in his core assertion. So could those attacking Liddle provide the numbers for London for the types of crime outlined.

Pot Head

Peter Spring- Talks of "statistical evidence" and the asserts that "most people living in London believe Liddle is right in his core assertion". What "statistical evidence" does he have for this piece of guess work?

Cuffleyburgers

Independently of whether liddle is right or massie is right, the fact that the response to liddle's post is so impassioned shows the extent to which people are upset by the multicultural society, which certainly nobody has ever voted for.

People are by and large sensible enough when it comes to organising their own lives, and British people tend be notable for their innate decency and tolerance. Many of cultures which have been so openarmedly welcomed here are neither decent nor tolerance, extreme islamism is one, rap culture is another, and yet the man on the Clapham omnibus is expected to treat both as if they are on a par with his peerless cultural heritage, which they plainly are not.

The hysteria from both sides is caused mainly by the inability to the Massie-pinko brigade (oops sorry) to concede that the folk who resent untrammeled immigration and moral relativism, actually have a point.

Liddle made his point clumsily, I think he writes better for the Sunset times.

Paul B

NDM, I note Clive Davis in his nice reposnse, didn`t have the bollocks to leave a comments section.

THX1138

Bonnie Greer responds to Liddle :

"My response would be to say that the overwhelming majority of paedophiles, murderers, warmongers and football hooligans are white males and all we got in return was beans on toast and Top Gear."

Snowman

Paul B @ 1.34:

Baroness Pipino, the dear wife of my master has left a little note on Clive's blog today, she apparently couldn’t resist.

THX1138 @ 2.10:

ain’t making any sense to me, but if you think it’s witty because Bonnie Greer said it, I buy it.

ndm

Really lame stuff from Fraser Nelson, the editor of this rag:

Fraser Nelson, the editor of the Spectator, said the magazine "stands up for the right to offend; our blogs often say things that people find offensive but that's part of our right of free expression.

"Rod is one of the greatest writers in Britain today. His column and blog are loved by readers. It's a significant part of my job as editor to defend people's right to be offensive."

Publishing bloggers who make racist, Islamophobic and Zionazi remarks might preserve their right to be offensive. It does so at the expense of the reputation of The Spectator which is being destroyed as it becomes little more than the house magazine of the British National Party.

ndm

The following paragraph in my last post should have been highlighted as being written by Fraser Nelson:

"Rod is one of the greatest writers in Britain today. His column and blog are loved by readers. It's a significant part of my job as editor to defend people's right to be offensive."

Craig Strachan

Fraser said: "It's a significant part of my job as editor to defend people's right to be offensive."

Is it part of his job as editor to read Rod's blog posts before they go up? Probably should be...

ndm

Fraser Nelson claims:

It's a significant part of my job as editor to defend people's right to be offensive.

So why is it, Fraser, that pretty much anyone who criticizes Melanie Phillips gets banned regardless of how inoffensive their post is. It seems to me that your lily-livered bigotress doesn't like standing in the pot she shites in.

Hepworth

I've a stong feeling that "James Walker at 11.57 Is either Britains unluckiest man or being very economical with the truth.
(By the way James, being a member of Antifa is not something to boast about).

Snowman

ndm and co:

you don't like you move to Clive Davis's blog, its emptiness is waiting for you.

Elizabeth Kenny: ‘He who angers you conquers you.’ Sorry boys, you've lost.

ndm

you don't like you move to Clive Davis's blog, its emptiness is waiting for you.

I don't quite understand the syntax here. I far prefer the intelligence of Clive Davis's blog to the vacuous bigotry of Rod Liddle and Melanie Phillips. However, I think it incumbent on decent people to understand the mindless bigotry that some persistent in if only to ensure that it does not gain traction.

The reality is that the downfall of The Spectator would have little impact on me. It is a shame, however, that the editor of the magazine appears intent to bring it on.

Patricia Shaw

This is ridiculous. Phillips has once against dodged the Racist Bullet, and it has shot Liddle instead.

Godders

My response to Bonnie Greer's 'All we got was Beans on Toast and Top Gear (from White Males)'

Er, how about Bach, Shakespeare, Beethoven, Leonardo, Einstein, Plato, Faraday & Tim Berners Smith

Not that this compares with Martin Luther King and Tinchy Stryder of course

Simon

On the one hand Rod was wrong to call 60% or so of London's violent crime committed by 12% of the population an 'overwhelming majority'.

On the other hand he's much closer to the truth than you are, and the pdf you linked to doesn't appear to even include broken out stats for London.

Martin

Let's strip away the insulting tone of Liddle's statement - like the odd comments about food and so on - and assume that his overall accusation is being presented for reasoned debate, rather than as ham-fisted provocation...

Admittedly, this takes some effort but work with me here.

At its peak (2004), street robbery was reported on average 150 times each day. Now, although the incidence has actually declined, let's be really wild and ascribe another 100 unreported incidences of street robbery each day. So we're deliberately over-estimating 250 crimes a day.

And lets assume they ARE all committed by the people he's identified so colourfully.

London has 7million+ pop, roughly 10% of whom are Caribbean. It seems to me that
a) a mere few hundred violent criminals could easily account for the total number of crimes
b) as with most crime, people are more likely to worry about it than to experience it
c) journalists elect to inform or to entertain but seldom both
d) it really is insane to slander and insult 800,000 people for the actions of a few hundred - are we not better than this?

Black males inspire fear among whites and that leads to a bitter resentment and often open aggression towards them. But the fear is actually a result of articles like Liddle's, not any real experience or knowledge.

You're more likely to get beaten up by whites in Leicester Sq on Friday night than by blacks in Hackney - look it up...

Derek

I see Mr. Massie has been taken apart in yesterday's Daily Telegraph article by Ed West. I didn't know that Massie had offered (Mr. West generously uses the word "threatened")to resign. Mr. Massie - make my day!

Dirty Euro

Nicholas says "For example Harmon's radical political agenda could not be described as an "inclination"." Learn how to spell Harman, Nicholas.

Dave B

Link to Ed West's piece.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100019154/by-talking-frankly-about-black-crime-rod-liddle-is-combatting-racism-not-causing-it/

"Rod Liddle’s Spectator colleague Alex Massie threatened to resign over the post, writing in his own blog: “How delightfully refreshing to see someone trot out the kind of tired, stale prejudice you can find in thousands of boozers across the country. Or at any BNP meeting for that matter. This isn’t a matter of being ‘politically correct’, it’s just a matter of behaving in a decent fashion.”

Some might call it decency – others might call it sticking your head in the sand, or the moral cowardice of people too scared to offend or hurt the feelings of friends, or who just don’t want to look vulgar by raising an issue one isn’t supposed to raise in polite circles. Some might say the failure of so many politicians, writers and public leaders, both black and white, to address crime in the black community is not “decent”, and until they do so racism will never go away, but will merely be repressed and stored as bitterness. If anything Rod Liddle has done more to combat racism by raising the thorny subject than any po-faced anti-racism campaigner."

ndm

Clive Davis enters the fray again and really nails the problem with The Spectator:

When I was a blogger with the Speccie, it always puzzled me that the editors didn’t make more of an effort to attract intelligent online readers as opposed to the noisy idiots who had taken up residence. At an in-house dinner I almost fell off my chair when I heard Matthew D’Ancona describe the Coffee House commenters as the best in the blogosphere. For a second, I thought he had his tongue in his cheek but, no, he really did mean it. Perhaps he’d just never bothered to read them.

Pot Head

Fraser Nelson says Liddle is "one of the greatest writers in Britain today". Imagine if he went into a bookshop! It'd blow his mind!

Penrose

Liddle is racist. Have a look at the crime stats in China, Russia, Brazil, Thailand, Australia or any other country in the world. Take a look at them over any period you like. Crime of these types, assault, drug supply, sexual assault etc is a matter of class and gender. Men between the age of 15-40 commit these crimes in every single society in the world, regardless of ethnicity. I don't expect this note to be published.

Tiberius

Don't you understand that Rod's blog is one of a number, which when coupled with recent articles in the magazine, comprise a response-lite to the Neathergate charges against Fraser?

As for Clive Davis insulting Matt and we posters, well he can f**k off back to his commentless cellar whence he came.

MaxSceptic

Clive Davis wouldn't condescend to even accept comments on his feeble Speccie blog.

His absence has been justly unlamented.

ndm

Clive Davis wouldn't condescend to even accept comments on his feeble Speccie blog.

Clive Davis has been pretty open about why he stopped allowing comments on his blog. The outrage and hostility of the vast majority of the commenters on Melanie Phillips blog is not exactly edifying and detracts from the little she brings to any debate. Why anyone would want to wallow in it is beyond me. But readers of the other blogs at The Spectator are given no choice when Mel's maniacs spill out en masse to attack reason.

His absence has been justly unlamented.

The departure of Clive Davis damaged The Spectator because it showed the magazine to be more interested in false outrage than genuine debate. Fraser Nelson's comments about Rod Liddle merely confirm this. I guess the old adage serves here - first comes the belly and then comes the morals.

Verity

ndm - As always, you're quite boring, but irritating at the same time. Rather like Jo Brand, in fact, but could you please look up the word "phobia" in the dictionary?

It's the ancient Greek word for an irrational fear. It doesn't mean, as you and your socialist cohorts want us to believe, mean an irrational dislike.

These are two separate and distinct emotions.

Verity

Dirty Euro writes: "Nicholas says "For example Harmon's radical political agenda could not be described as an "inclination"." Learn how to spell Harman, Nicholas."

Why?

Federico Lister

7% of the population of England & Wales is Roman Catholic - 20% of the prison population is Catholic.

Do we need to look at cultural factors that make Catholics more criminal?

ndm

Actually, Verity, it is the Eurabia/Londonistan ultra-right which has migrated its irrational fear of Muslims into irrational hate. Dislike is too mealy mouthed a word for it.

A. MacAulay

"The voice of honest indignation" has a long history in England (Britain) and Liddle deliberately fits into this tradition. OK, flippancy in this sense border-lines the honesty, but to keep going with old Blakey,

"The Tygers of wrath are wiser than the Horses of instruction".

If you want to read the "Horses of instruction", then buy the New Statesman

Verity

ndm, Although, to repeat, the word 'phobia' does not mean an irrational dislike, it means an irrational FEAR ... there is nothing irrational about a fear of Islam. Ask the families of the people who died in the Bali nightclub bombings, the 3,000 plus who died in the twin towers and those who died when the airline destined for the Capitol building crashed, the 200 plus US Marines who died while they were sleeping in their barracks in Lebanon, the people who died or were horribly maimed in the London Transport bombings. Ask the families of Daniel Pearl or Kenneth Begley. Ask the families of the people who recently died in the Taj Hotel massacre in Mumbai. Ask the Somali woman who, a couple of weeks ago, was buried up to her neck in sand and stoned to death by passers by. Ask the young gay chaps hanged by the neck from cranes in Iran.

Yet creepy Jack Staw and the British left constantly berate people for fearing/loathing Islam.

Why, I wonder. Could it possibly be, as it so often is with the left, all about control?

ndm

I find Verity's comment somewhat naive - posted as it is to a magazine in a country where "Christian" terrorists killed more than 3,500 people. How soon we forget.

Pie

Skin colour isn't the problem. It's the importing of tens of thousands of specific groups of immoral foreigners from dirt poor countries where corruption, rape, and murder are a common occurence. We have imported too many scumbags in the last ten years such as laptop thieves, car insurance dodgers, rapists, etc. Of course we shouldn't send innocent blacks back, but we should limit the amount of third worlders coming in, and chuck out any trouble. It's not just crime that's being imported, it's people who don't even know what morality is, who are completely ignorant of British laws and customs. This is dangerous because innocent, decent blacks and pakistanis are being tarred with the same brush by the odious BNP.

AC

Verity needs to study more and then change her name to Verify.

Alex...This is excellent.. You have proved that it is possible to actually tell it like it really is...

You dont need a pat on the back and I am not offering one, it is just heart warming to see when good sense and judgment is being applied.

The truth is that this is a very serious problem we are facing here, and it is embarrassing and demoralising for London. We need to deal with the young criminal black people or any other criminals very severely indeed. No need to pussyfoot and pander here. This sort of behavior should be deterred and 32 years for those 2 idiots is not enough. Mind you the same approach should be taken across the UK... I opt for zero tolerance and much harsher punishment. which ever colour perpetrating the crime should feel that the punishment is far to severe and even unfair to risk getting involved in such crimes.

Verity

ndm - What "Christian terrorists"? Be specific because I think you are engaging in some fancy footwork to justify your own prejudice.

Your circumlocution points to your meaning terrorists in another cause who happened to be Christians. Not terrorists who were murdering and maiming to further the cause of Christianity.

Verity

AC - I refer you to the Neather Report.

J Shmo

Sir,

Have you ever ridden a bus in this city? Ever ventured outside of SW1 for a brief moment?
Didnt think so.
Please put your "outrage" away. Dont pretend to take the moral high ground on something about which you clearly havent the slightest idea.

J Shmo
Brixton