First things first: SKY lost. A debate that was supposed to be about foreign policy scarcely touched on many of the bigger, more interesting issues in the world. Nothing about China, Russia, Iran, Islam, Israel-Palestine, Africa, terrorism, etc etc. The ability of a British government to influence some of the issues arising in these parts of the world may be limited but it would be interesting, nevertheless, to hear what the leaders had to say about them. Instead there was europe, nuclear weapons and a brief detour into Afghanistan to allow the leaders to dust-off their favourite Afghan anecdotes (jogging! Mechanics!).
Despite that serious limitation it was another surprisingly entertaining contest and, in points terms, a much closer one than last week's. Partisans on all sides could make a non-ridiculous case that their man won. Myself? I'd have scored it Brown 81 Clegg 80 Cameron 78.
This is an obviously annoying conclusion to reach but there you have it nonetheless.. Gordon Brown was much better this week and I think he (just) won a pretty tight encounter. This reflects a strong, even at times authorative, performance from Brown and a bewildering reluctance on the part of the other debaters to call him on his bluffs, evasions, distortions and flat-out falsehoods.
Nevertheless, though Cameron came onto a game later, Brown scored effective blows on both europe and national security. This, to repeat, does not mean I agree with his analysis. Nevertheless, his "get real" mantra was punchy and effective. As the evening wore on, mind you, I thought Brown's performance dipped. Even so he was able, again, to make far too much hay from his preposterous claim that a failure to raise taxes by as much as he thinks sensible amounts to "taking money out of the economy". Every time he says this, a kitten dies somewhere. Sadly neither Clegg nor Cameron did enough to set fire to this straw man and so Gordon got away with it. (Something similar may be said of the failure to point out how Brown plundered Britain's pensions.)
As for Clegg, he was solid but not spectacular. There were moments of hesistancy and some rambling but in general I found his maner appealling: he gave the impression of listening to the questions and then thinking about his answers and did more to engage the audience - both in Bristol and at home - than either of the other candidates. He was brave on immigration too and his final line - for those still watching - was excellent: “Don’t let anyone tell you it can’t be different. It can.”
So what about David Cameron? He was certainly better this week - sharper, more focused - and far from outclassed but this format does not seem to be his forte. For whatever reason he struggles to draw clear differences between his policies and Gordon Brown's. It didn't help that he was tag-teamed effectively on Europe. True, Cameron scored points on some of Labour's deceptions vis a vis campaign literature but when he's angry he actually too often just sounds peeved. And again, he struggled to articulate the better, more interesting aspects of Tory policy. The "Big Society" hasn't been boiled down to an effective 30 second gobbet.
Given this debate's smaller audience I doubt it will alter the fundamental dynamics of the race too much. But who knows? Certainly each party has no reason to regret the evening and there were few, I think, major blunders.
What it confirmed, however, is that this is still and very much still a three horse race. With one contest to go Labour still need to make up ground, the Tories remain favourites despite Cameron's lack of whelm and clegg remains a live, rogue factor.
The insta-polls disagree with me of course, splitting the decision between Cameron and Clegg and so I suppose it would be nice if they were right and I am wrong. Perhaps my perspective is too skewed from having watched and participated in hundreds of debates over the years. The chaps at Election Debates also think Brown won. Four give him the win and two plump for Clegg. Five of the six judges agree that Cameron came third. Of course, again, that's judging from a debating, not a political perspective.
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Simon
April 23rd, 2010 9:26am Report this commentI think the simple reality for Brown is that, in both debates, his result in the post-debate polls is a token not of his actual performance (which was clearly better than Cameron's in both outings) but of the lack of esteem in which he is now held by a significant proportion of the electorate. I suspect that he could reduce Clegg and Cameron to gibbering incoherence in the third debate and still there are many who would decline to confer him with victory.
Susie
April 23rd, 2010 10:16am Report this commentExtraordinary there was no discussion of Israel-Palestine, especially when eg the Jewish Chronicle and the Muslim and Arab press in this country are taking a great interest in the elections through the Middle East prism. The strength of public feeling on both sides on Isr-Pal issues was shown by the multiple large demonstrations over Gaza in Dec 08/Jan 09. I bet the leaders were relieved at not having to enter this particular minefield though. I don't think the issues arose during the foreign secretaries' post-lunch debate on BBC2 last week either.
Ben G
April 23rd, 2010 10:23am Report this commentI agree with your verdict. Brown edged it. He is the best attacker of policy weakness, but has no ability to come back quickly at his opponents. He should have demolished Cameron's attempt to decry negative campaigning - what about all those posters?
The surprise was that Clegg performed as well as he did, given the weakness of Lib Dem policy on Europe, immigration and Trident.
I also agree about Sky losing. It was a great shame foreign policy was so little discussed. It highlights the weaknesses of the debates, and the dangers of settling future elections on the strength of them. There is not enough policy scrutiny. And what happened to Adam Boulton's much hyped interventions? An oblique reference to the Daily Telegraph and that was it.
Jeremy Street
April 23rd, 2010 12:21pm Report this comment@Ben G
I had exactly the same thought about Cameron's angry moment - if leaflets about eye tests constitute scaremongering, what the hell do you call a huge gravestone on a billboard?
On an unrelated note, I saw a rather pleasing bit of political graffiti this morning. Our incumbent MP is Julie Morgan (wife of Rhodri), facing a tough fight against the Conservatives in Cardiff North. Near my house is a Tory billboard (one of the Gordon Brown "Vote for Me, I Eat Babies" ones), and along with a load of other anti-Tory slogans in various different hands, someone has put in huge red lettering: "Me Julie" :D
Ian C
April 23rd, 2010 5:28pm Report this commentI cannot imagine how you sored this. Whenever Brown opened his mouth his point ended, as it nearly always does, in techno-babble. Noone is listening or can listen to him, surely? He is leading Labour to a massive defeat - and the emergence of the LibDems as the 2nd party. last night confirmed that the election si between Cameron & Clegg and the latter cannot win this election from here.
For why and what is happening, see David Aaronovich (sp?) in Today's Times.
Alex Massie
April 23rd, 2010 5:41pm Report this commentIan C - I agree that Brown is leading Labour to disaster and that people are no longer listening to him. But that is a different matter entirely. I judged the debate as a *debate* and think, viewed from that narrow perspective, Gordon did quite well.
But that's very different from thinking it will rescue his campaign or hopes. In that respect, I think Simon (comment 1)is quite correct.
Ian C
April 24th, 2010 8:04pm Report this commentAll I can say is that you (and Simon) are in the minority of 2 people listening enough to even consider giving him a win over Cameron. The latter was not by any means a shoe-in ahead but Brown added one thing only and that was the "get real" adressed to Clegg. The rest of it, fo rmy money, was all about the other two - and this not just because I hate Brown with a vengeance.
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