The Tories Need A Good Labour Party. And Vice-Versa.

Tuesday, 17th August 2010

A terrific Five Books discussion about conservatism, liberalism and libertarianism with Cato's Brink Lindsey in which BL quotes a few essential lines from JS Mill:

‘In politics, again, it is almost a commonplace, that a party of order or stability, and a party of progress or reform, are both necessary elements of a healthy state of political life; until the one or the other shall have so enlarged its mental grasp as to be a party equally of order and of progress, knowing and distinguishing what is fit to be preserved from what ought to be swept away. Each of these modes of thinking derives its utility from the deficiencies of the other; but it is in a great measure the opposition of the other that keeps each within the limits of reason and sanity.’

Spot on and this helps explain both why it's impossible to revoke or repeal everything the previous government has done and why, even if you could, it would be inadvisable to do so. It was a good thing for Britain that Labour won in 1997 and it was a good thing for the country that Labour lost in 2010. Eventually it will be a good thing for the Tories (and the Liberals?) to lose too. As Brink puts it:

I think the typical view of politics from inside a partisan mindset is to see politics as a battle of the good guys versus the bad guys. Maybe the good guys are on the left, maybe the good guys are on the right, but it’s this Manichean struggle and the way to get progress is for the good side to win and impose their will. Mill sees through that and sees that, in fact, politics is a dialectical process. At any given time truth is partly on one side and partly on the other. It’s more a battle of half-truths and incomplete truths than of good versus bad. The excesses of each side ultimately create opportunities for the other to come in and correct those excesses.

Quite so. Neither camp possesses a monopoly on either wisdom or virtue. The best politicians - Blair and, perhaps and in time, Cameron - appreciate this. This is also why, though perhaps helpful in electoral terms, it's bad for the country that Labour seems to be retreating to its ideological cave. It means Labour has less to offer and less useful criticism of the government's inevitable mistakes.

Partisans might think that everything the other mob do or believe in is irredeemably vile but mercifully most people aren't blinkered partisans and, in fact, are prepared to give a new government a fair crack of the whip. In this, the voters are better than the political parties they're compelled to choose between and this is also why politicians who rise above or move beyond party are the most successful. Blair understood this and so, I think, does Cameron.

Not everything Labour did in office was terrible and, in any case, there needed to be a correction after 18 years of Conservative rule. Similarly this present government was needed to replace an exhausted, fagged-out Labour ministry. None of this is terribly mysterious but it's oft-forgotten amidst the hurly-burly of the Westminster village. It may be that Mill's belief that, eventually, each party improves the other is overly-optimistic but, looking at recent British political history, he'd seem to have been proven correct.

Incidentally, if you haven't read Lindsey's splendid book The Age of Abundance then, well, I recommend that you do so soonest.

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AGS

August 17th, 2010 11:10pm Report this comment

And may I recommend Maurice Cowling's book on Mill to you.
It amazes me how other people do not even suspect that they might also occupy a cave when, and from where, they eye others.
And speaking of caves, how many political scientists today read Plato, do you think, the founder of political science?

David Crawford

August 18th, 2010 6:05am Report this comment

And this is why I truly believe that the best outcome for the USA is for the Republicans to take one of the two legislatures (the House or the Senate), or, even both, in Novembers elections. I want the President of the USA to have to go before a sceptical House or Senate and justify want he wants.

I don't, and never have, attribute to either party a desire to do anything short of what, they believe, was best for the nation. I just disagee with certain of their actions.

ndm

August 18th, 2010 7:58am Report this comment

David Crawford writes:

-- I want the President of the USA to have to go before a sceptical House or Senate and justify want he wants.

Implied here is the common misconception that the President, of either party, has greater control of the legislative process than he has. In fact, he has no control over the legislative process.

MikeF

August 18th, 2010 2:02pm Report this comment

There is nothing good about the Labour Party of today. It is a fusion of intolerant, narcissistic, ethno-centric, spendthrift and corrupt 'multiculturalism' with bureaucratic, dogmatic, narrow-minded municipal trades unionism. It is a spent force that nevertheless retains structure and funding. It has nothing to teach anybody.

Michael Taylor

August 18th, 2010 4:07pm Report this comment

Yes, there needs to be a good opposition. But the venal, intolerant, authoritarian, corrupting and bankrupting Labour Party can surely never raise itself to be that.

Rather, it needs sweeping away - quickly and thoroughly - in order to allow a space for a proper opposition to find itself.

The Labour Party in power? Never Again! Never!

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