Tim Montgomerie tried to define his "Mainstream Conservatism" project again this morning. (My first take on it is here and Pete's astute view is here). Bear in mind that Tim contrasts liberal conservatism with what he calls "authentic conservatism" and that while he insists upon the importance of breadth (good!) his movement is the one that's deciding which conservatives are "authentic" and which are not.
To take Tim's points in order:
1. "Co-operation with the Liberal Democrats in government is working well, but far from perfectly." By "far from perfectly" he means that the coalition agreement isn't an entirely Tory document (just 80%!). Well, yes, that's what happens in a coalition. Most liberal conservatives want a Conservative majority after the next election but recognise that compromise and partnership is, especially in the present circumstances, not a bad thing simply because it involves compromise and partnership.
2. "Mainstream Conservatives do not want to jettison the new breadth of Conservatism. Mainstream Conservatives believe in the social justice of Iain Duncan Smith, the civil libertarianism of David Davis, the internationalism of Andrew Mitchell, the transparency revolution, respect for gay people and the green conservatism of Tory councils." Really? IDS is certainly part of the Tory "mainstream". None of these other issues are. I suspect the Tory membership doesn't give a hoot about greenery, doesn't like protecting the International development budget, thinks gay issues command much too much attention and, when push comes to shove, is not overly concerned by civil liberties either. I'd like Tim to be right about this but am not convinced he is.
3. "Opposition to the EU superstate, lower taxation, a fair deal for English taxpayers and a tough approach to crime are not right-wing issues. They are not causes that Conservatives should be embarrassed about. They are causes supported by the vast majority of the British people but not by the left-wing majority of the Liberal Democrat party." Well, liberal conservatives don't agree with the left-wing Liberal Democrats either. If this is the dividing line between mainstream and liberal Tories then it's a dividing line that's of no use whatsoever. Again, from a traditional Tory perspective, talk of "a fair deal for English taxpayers" is all well and good but it needs to be weighed against the party's traditional, previously instinctive Unionism.
4. "Mainstream Conservatives believe that the Conservative Party can win the next election if economic growth is restored. Mainstream Conservatives believe that tough measures to increase British competitiveness are as important as measures to reduce the deficit." Well, find me some liberal Conservatives who disagree with this!
Again, I think most liberal Tories would like to see the party win an overall majority at the next election. But they also think the current government is doing a pretty reasonable job in less than ideal circumstances and see the value in maintaining the relationship with the Liberal Democrat Orange Bookers (who may well be a larger proportion of the Lib Dems after the next election than they are now) in case the Tories don't actually win an overall majority.
In the comments over at ConservativeHome Tim says:
I think this is a much better way of putting it than deciding who is and who isn't an "authentic" Conservative. The party is a broad church but I don't think liberal Tories ever really think that they can get rid of the traditionalists or that there's any point in branding them inauthentic.Mainstream Conservatism is actually a more Middle Way and a more inclusive path. Mainstream Conservatism encompasses traditional and Liberal Conservatism in a way that Liberal Conservatism doesn't reach out to the more traditionalist conservatives.
Nevertheless, here too we may see that, like it or not, Cameron really is the Heir to Blair. One can easily imagine concerned Labourites writing something like this:
That, though, is both the peril and price of power. Just ask Barack Obama. The true believers always feel they're being sold out or taken for granted or ignored.Mainstream Labour is actually a more Middle Way and a more inclusive path. Mainstream Labour encompasses traditional and New Labour in a way that New Labour doesn't reach out to the more traditionalist members of the Labour party.
Finally, NormanC's point, made in the comments here, is a good, general starting point:
To me, a conservative is a conservative. We believe in individual freedom, the responsibility that comes with that, which means the state staying out of the way, low taxes to match that, a sense of community rather than centralisation.
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ndm
December 10th, 2010 5:28pm Report this commentTim Montogomerie writes:
-- Opposition to the EU superstate, lower taxation, a fair deal for English taxpayers and a tough approach to crime are not right-wing issues. They are not causes that Conservatives should be embarrassed about. They are causes supported by the vast majority of the British people (my emphasis)
Sorry, Tim. More than 25% of the British electorate would have voted for the Conservatives at the last election if this were even remotely true. Dream on.
Rhoda Klapp
December 10th, 2010 5:37pm Report this commentndm, the tories did not stand on that platform. So we'll never know just how popular it might be. Or not.
Ben G
December 10th, 2010 6:06pm Report this commentTim Montgomerie's relevance whilst Tories in opposition, and media looking for someone to sound critical of Project Cameron = quite high.
Tim Montgomerie's relevance whilst Tories in a coalition government = very low.
ndm
December 10th, 2010 6:56pm Report this commentRhoda Klapp writes:
-- ndm, the tories did not stand on that platform. So we'll never know just how popular it might be. Or not.
Two-thirds of the voters voted against the platform the Tories did offer. It is a bit of a stretch to suggest that moving to an even harder (nuttier) line on these issues would have persuaded the non-Tory voter to switch allegiance.
Rhoda Klapp
December 10th, 2010 8:18pm Report this commentndm, you are not counting the ones who did not vote at all, or voted rightwards of the tories, but as the original points out, these are not left/right issues at least on an ideological basis.
ndm
December 11th, 2010 12:25am Report this comment-- Opposition to the EU superstate, lower taxation, a fair deal for English taxpayers and a tough approach to crime are not right-wing issues.
Really?
Opposition to the EU superstate -- The left has always been more international in its outlook than a right which remains culturally nativist.
Lower taxation - This is a classic right-wing issue.
a fair deal for English taxpayers - What about a fair deal for Scottish taxpayers? Since I presume that by "fair deal" he means "lower taxation" this seems to be the same as the previous point.
tough approach to crime - This is classic right wing code to disguise a desire for vengeance over justice.
When Tim Montgomerie asserts that these are not "right-wing issues" he shows himself to be at best ignorant and at worst deluded.
Rhoda Klapp
December 11th, 2010 8:20am Report this commentndm, evidently we have such differences in world view that we aren't going to agree on these issues being L/R. But I can remember when the unions and the Labour party were against the EU. And no party here has ever stood FOR the superstate aspect. When higher tax was a Labour policy they got thrashed. A fair deal? No I don't exactly know what Tim means but he may refer to paying for things which we don't get in England but they do get in north britain. That is a populist policy where I live. Tough on Crime? Where have I heard that before? Not from Ken Clarke, but from some other annoying lefty-impersonator.
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