Which Obama will we get if he is elected?

mitch

Not the one they think they will get! he will have all those favours to repay for getting him there.
So more war and death in the east and more tax at home.
Oh and the lies don't forget the lies and in four years people will be saying about him what they say about bush just for slightly different reasons.

Frank P

James you are either on the wrong side of the culture war, or you simply don't understand the nature of the Left's game plan. Read and watch what his mentors and backers were saying before their baleful movement to use him as a front for the assault on the White House was unearthed. Just as leopards do not change their spots, neither do political lepers shed the scars of their affliction. They may move into mansions and occupy the halls of academe, but their intentions never change. Theirs is the committed politics of the ugly and the envious. Either Obama is too stupid to understand that he is being used, or he is allowing himself to be used. Either way he is unfit to hold the office to which he aspires. Anyway, it is clear that the second of those alternative applies. Whether it's for money and power, or ideology on his part remains to be be seen.

If David Brooks's description of Obama's lack of emotional responses is correct, then Obama is exaclty the automaton that the likes of Ayers and Dohrn would get their hooks into. A very useful idiot indeed, in fact if he makes it to the White House the daddy of all useful idiots.

Ian C

It has been extremely easy for a natural sceptc, such as I, to be deeply suspicious of Obama and his motives. Melanie, in particular has highlighted why this might/could/should be so.

In watching the Newsnight version of the last debate both men came across alot better than previously. To me the points McCain made was the narrative I understood, even though he does it far from fluently. I suspect that this is far more the reason he is behind - because his coherence level is similar to George W's, and surely we cannot have another 4 years of that! But McCain seemed to lose this election (if he does) just when he was establishing a lead. Repeat after me McCain "do you want to spend your money or do you want Obama to do it for you?" Repeat, over and over again for 18 days.

But what surprised me most was how little Obama seemed to appreciate what he was saying - that he had a better way through big government and a form of tax 'cuts' that are as illusory as the boom of the past few years have been. He seemed far from in command of his agenda and only got away with it because McCain could not express himself as he needed to. That does not augur well.

Finally, if you look at Gallup you will see that those 'likely to vote (traditional method)' Obama is only 3% ahead. This is on the edge of margins for error and well within likely 'racial' voters range.

THX1138

Ian C Nate Silver pulls apart the Drudge spin on that Gallup Poll

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1016.html

I can't believe that you want race to be an issue.

I have read so many posts on this blog that race isn't an issue. Now as we get close many commenters here seem to have fingers cross that it will sway enough voters to make a difference. Stop it

Ian C

It's not that I want race to be an issue. It is just that there are bound to be some who say they'll vote Obama who won't because of race. This could be many more than we think and could be the difference if the real lead is this sort of thin.

The race is likely to narrow from here and if it ends in an under 5% lead it could go either way on the day, although it is not looking likley now.

THX1138

Ian I wasn't having a go at you personally I worry about race in this election too - Sorry.

I tried to make a post earlier that used the n word even heavily stared out It didn't make the cut.

Maybe Pete will let me link to it?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-western-pennsylvania.html

I think the post on 538 encapsulates why Obama will win and why race doesn't matter in this economy, racism is officially a luxury even though I'm still worried.

BTW Colin Powell is doing a big interview tomorrow, I bet he's going to endorse Obama, now that will be nasty for McCain.

David Lindsay

Obama stands with the Teamsters and other unions on the sending of American jobs to un-unionised, child-exploiting sweatshops in Asia and Latin America.

He stands with the black, Irish and Scots-Irish working classes on sending their sons off to be harvested in pointless, unwinnable wars on behalf of others in American society who do not pull their weight militarily.

And the core of his core, which he will have to keep happy in order to secure a second term, is not only the morally conservative mainstay of things like the Alliance for Marriage, but is also made up of the people most opposed to illegal and even much legal immigration, whose views on the status of English make them the South Welsh of America.

Vote Obama.

Elf

FDR style triumph. And he IS going to be president.

David

People like Frank, and of course Melanie, are I reckon going to be the most disappointed that their apocalyptic visions of an Obama presidency don't come to pass.

Much like the left in the 80s, they desperately want to live in some form of evil dictatorship to give their views validity and feel that they are 'fighting back'.

TGF UKIP

It's not just the Ayers thing, it's the Jeremiah Wright thing, it's the joint fundraising with palestinian militants thing, it's the radical community organizer thing, it's the ACORN blackmailing of banks thing.

Coffee Housers need not be as soft minded as many of the clowns in the shadow cabintet or on the Tory backbenches who are besotted with Obama. This guy really is a hard left radical and what many times compounds his danger to America and the West is that, as President, he will have full rein with Reid and Pelosi to back him up, a large House majority and a veto beating majority in the Senate.

Start praying folks!