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Monday, 20th October 2008

One to watch

Peter Hoskin 6:17pm

A friend of Coffee House has flagged up the episode of the Tonight programme screening on ITV at 8pm this evening.  Here's the premise of it, taken from the show's website:

"New Labour has gone back on its promise to hold a referendum on a new European constitution – despite most people wanting one. Tonight steps in, organising a special poll in Luton. Do its voters want to be in or out of Europe?"

I'm in the dark over what the result of that "special poll" is.  But - whatever the outcome - the very fact that programmes like this are getting commissioned hints at the depth of public feeling over the Lisbon Treaty.  Should be worth tuning into.

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Pete, Scotland

October 20th, 2008 6:41pm Report this comment

Why isn't the BBC doing this out of their public funding?

Most people I know have a view on this and are interested to know how other people feel. Isn't this called public interest?

Doesn't this hightlight how much political control the BBC are under!

It takes a commercial channel, to explore how the British electorate feel about a Referendum!!!

Chuck Unsworth

October 20th, 2008 6:42pm Report this comment

Luton!

Luton?

Why does anyone regard Luton as being representative of the entire UK? What is it with these TV people? They all seem to live on a different astral plane to the rest of mankind.

Rhoda Klapp

October 20th, 2008 7:04pm Report this comment

The BBC takes soft loans from the EU. They are bought and paid for. Don't wait for them to cover ANY story without a pro-EU, no, not bias, presumption.

ClickMonster

October 20th, 2008 7:47pm Report this comment

"Why does anyone regard Luton as being representative of the entire UK?"

Because its (only) just outside the M25.

Avoids the accusations of London bias .. without actually having to travel too far.

daniel1979

October 20th, 2008 8:27pm Report this comment

The best TV programme I have watched in ages. 54% of people in of people in Luton would vote to leave the EU if given the opportunity.

TGF UKIP

October 20th, 2008 9:06pm Report this comment

But there's only one subject even more than taxes that the Cameron Tories will never confront or even acknowledge - that's right, you've got it - BBC bias against not just euroscepticism but even against the Tories themselves.

But there again there's only one thing Dave aspires to even more than Polly's blessing and that is the approbation of the Today Programme.

teledu

October 20th, 2008 9:54pm Report this comment

Only 54% !!!!!

Pete, Scotland

October 20th, 2008 11:26pm Report this comment

Out of interest, what is population makeup of Luton.

I've never been there.

Or is that something that I'm not allowed to ask now?

Fergus Pickering

October 21st, 2008 5:29am Report this comment

Don't ory, Pete. Nobody's ever been to Luton. You pass by it on your way up the M1 and you pass a little nearer on your way to the airport. But why would you GO there? If you're Scots, then think Motherwell.

RobertD

October 21st, 2008 8:34am Report this comment

Pete,

Luton is a little bit of the north dropped into the south. Big engineering (Vauxhall) and airport. Some commuting into London. Arndale centre. High level of immigration. Relatively poor housing. I haven't done a full demographic check but subjectively it seems a reasonably representative town.

Rhoda Klapp

October 21st, 2008 9:08am Report this comment

Bear in mind that was 54% of the total vote, in a counted referendum it would be a 2 to 1 vote, no undecideds.

Of course, they only picked 3000 people, and most of the respondents seemed to be white, whereas Luton has a thriving community of immigrant stock dating back three decades.

Chuck Unsworth

October 21st, 2008 10:16am Report this comment

@ RobertD

"subjectively it seems a reasonably representative town"

So "Big engineering (Vauxhall) and airport" are reasonably representative? Really? How many other towns have this infrastructure?

David Parker

October 21st, 2008 11:28am Report this comment

If it had been a poll on purely upon whether or not to ratify the Lisbon treaty the vote to reject this would probably have been nearer to 70%, and that is without the detailed debate, which we should have had.

The main problem with any referendum is that the EU, the BBC and the europhile minority in this country will outspend the eurosceptic's better off out campaign fund by at least double, aided and abetted by whichever Government happens to be in power at the time.

Both Cameron and Hague have repeatedly stated that they would never, under any circumstances, consider taking Britain out of the EU.

When it comes to campaigning for the EU Parliament elections next year, with a few notable exceptions, don't expect to see a eurosceptic campaign, from most of the Conservative candidates.

Travis Bickle

October 21st, 2008 11:28am Report this comment

To paraphrase Chuck's post into a sentiment our EUSSR masters are currently holding...

Ireland!

Ireland?

Why does anyone regard Ireland as being representative of the entire EU?

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