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Monday, 3rd November 2008

On the verge

James Forsyth 3:24pm

The state polls today show what an advantage Obama has with a day to go. He leads in Ohio and Pennsylvania, two states that McCain has to win, by seven and ten points respectively. If it wasn’t for the memory of how wrong the polls were before New Hampshire, everyone would be calling this. (These polls, though, are almost certainly more reliable. In New Hampshire they were surveying a far more volatile and fast moving electorate).

It is hard to believe that this amazing election is almost over. There is almost a sense that we have thought about it so much that we can at times forget just how historic it is going to be: America is in all likelihood going to elect its first black president. In a way that no other president has, Obama will change the country just by being elected.

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Conservative Cabbie

November 3rd, 2008 3:45pm Report this comment

There is also a national poll showing McCain within 2 with 8% undecided (IBD/TIPP), a Minnesota poll showing McCain within 3 and a number of battleground state polls from Mason-Dixon showing McCain at or just shy of the margin of error with plenty still undecided. There is so much volatility with the polls, I'm genuinly convinced this election isn't over.

David

November 3rd, 2008 3:53pm Report this comment

Does another poll not put McCain ahead by 2 or 3 in Ohio? According to the Telegraph it did earlier this morning, but the article seems to have wandered...

David Lindsay

November 3rd, 2008 3:54pm Report this comment

The insanely unstable Nixon-Reagan-Dubya coalition of unbridled capitalists, church-based conservatives, and foreign policy hawks is finally on the brink of falling apart.

Yesterday, everyone from Nick Cohen in The Observer to Peter Hitchens in the Mail on Sunday had an article on how angry is now the second of those three, far and away the largest and best-organised of the three, but on whom the Republicans, as Hitchens puts it, always spit from a great height once they are in office.

Two years almost from this very day, the entire House of Representatives will once again be up for election. The time to start working is now, or at least on Wednesday morning.

Unlike any entire state (even Texas has Austin, upstate New York is totally different from NYC, and so forth), an individual congressional district is routinely very much of one party or another.

In red districts, register as a Republican. In blue districts, register as a Democrat.

But in every district, make sure that there is a candidate – precisely one – on the ballot in 2010 who is known publicly and nationally, and not least from mailings, advertisements and websites for the purpose, to be an economically populist, morally and socially conservative foreign policy realist.

And then get those candidates (Republican, Democrat, other party, Independent, whatever) elected to Congress.

Those candidates and Congressmen will be the nucleus of the new party, even if it is formally the continuation of an existing party, most obviously the Democrats.

Another new party, most obviously the formal continuation of the Republicans, will have to sort out the inherent contradiction between fiscal “conservatism” and vastly expensive warmongering.

And perhaps even a third might have to try and come up with some reason for wanting populist (or more probably, and which would make things a lot easier for them, simply unthinking Leftist) economic policies and realist (or more probably, and which would make things a lot easier for them, simply unthinking peacenik) foreign policies, if not for reasons of moral and social conservatism.

But neither of those will be my concern, at least.

David

November 3rd, 2008 4:24pm Report this comment

CBS O+13 D+13
ABC O+11
Gallup O+11 D+12
CNN O+7
Marist O+7
R2000 O+6 D+9
Pew O+6
Zogby O+5.7
Ras O+5 D+6.5
Hotline O+5
BG O+4
FOX O+3
IBD O+2.1

Final polls for you CC. It's over.

THX1138

November 3rd, 2008 4:42pm Report this comment

Cabbie- You're clutching at straws with the polls any poll you put up I can tear apart either as an outlier, Gop Lean or flawed methodology. Even McCain knows it's over, hence going on SNL

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/11/proof_that_john_mccain_has_rea.php

Saying that I'm super nervous and jumping round the blogs and MSM to stop the demons floating in. I'll be so glad when it's all over.

I'm off next week to the epi centre of "fake" (how dare Palin say that) America NYC to celebrate with the American half of my family can't wait.

Perhaps you could give us a lift to Heathrow and we can carry on the argument.

Cheer up watch The Boss in The in Cleveland yesterday.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m2tvcsbWVjY

Whoever wins the USA is still the greatest country in the world.

TrevorsDen

November 3rd, 2008 5:00pm Report this comment

I cannot even begin to understand Mr Lindsays comments.

But anyway it looks like Obama will be elected and will be a disaster for America. Watch out for another terrorist attempt.

No matter ... at least the odious Clintons are rebuffed. Time to feel sorry for Americans and watch how Europe scurries round having to look out for itself.

Tiberius

November 3rd, 2008 5:03pm Report this comment

McCain has 24 hours to save the world (he should ask Tony to speak for him!)

And I hear Mark Steyn is writing a sequel called "America Included".

Jon

November 3rd, 2008 5:14pm Report this comment

Very few comments against US-based articles. Is it worth the effort?

On this note, I have noticed that the public commentary in some of the major newspapers is 95% from the US Public - rather than saying something constructive, it is always something like "McCain for President", or "Obama for change", or even worse, something vacuous, insipid (and wrong) like "Whoever wins the USA is still the greatest country in the world.."

Conservative Cabbie

November 3rd, 2008 6:00pm Report this comment

David

Some more polls for you:

Zogby predicts a Democratic win with 311 electoral votes.

CBS predicts a 5 point Democratic win.

Trouble is, these were predicted in 2004.

I laugh in the face of polls.

THX

You ask how dare Sarah Palin say that. Probably in the same way Obama accused people in Ohio and Pennsylvania of being bitter or in the way he sneered at small town America following Palins choice, or Democrat John Murtha calling people from Pennsylvania Racists or Rednecks, or Biden calling people against tax rises unpatriotic, or Obama calling the same people selfish.

I agree that America is the greatest country in the world, I just hope it still will be in four years. I'm envious of your trip.

Verity

November 3rd, 2008 6:57pm Report this comment

It amazes me how racist you people are who refer to Obama as black. Why don't you refer to him as white?

He is 50% black, but it's as though all you liberals secretly think exactly like the people in the old South 70 years ago. One drop of black blood makes you "black". It was ever thus. People 70 years ago who looked perfectly white, but who had some black blood from way back, were classified as "black".

As you, and all the aggressive liberals, are defining him by his 50% black genes, who is the racist in all this? Cannot you "progressives" see that you have not advanced at all?

Mark Solomon

November 3rd, 2008 7:44pm Report this comment

Those last 2 lines are just sheer and absolute nonsense unworthy of a serious news magazine especially a Conservative one.

BARACK OBAMA IS NOT BLACK. He is not white either. He is of mixed racial origin, no more black than he is white. And just electing someone changes nothing, you seem to have fallen for the Obama campaign line hook line and sinker like so many supposedly 'professional' journalists. Change is tough to achieve and needs a lot of persuasion and hard work, taking a firm line and taking on entrenched interests. Obama has done nothing of this in his entire life, ever.

He is going to be Jimmy Carter 2, a disaster for America and the world. Voting for the man with the glibbest line, the flashy smile, who says whatever his current audience wants to hear is NEVER a recipe for a good leader. Doesn't the example of Tony Blair mean anything?

David

November 3rd, 2008 7:49pm Report this comment

"I laugh in the face of polls."

Clearly the ones you don't like. The average of polls by this stage overall indicated a Bush win. Further, early voting had broken for Bush in margins similar to his eventual win.

This time, the polls are all Obama, and the early voting is heavily in his direction.

McCain and, thankfully, Palin will lose.

Ganpat Ram

November 3rd, 2008 9:22pm Report this comment

Relax, folks.

How many of Obama's sycophants will still love him after say two years?

Hillary bungled and McCain bungled. So Obama won.

So what?

It's not the end of the world nor the beginning. Just another four years with a crooked Chicago politico.

The Republicans will get wiser and ditch their ridiculous hang-ups about abortion.

Clinton and Gore will wait to capitalise on Obama's inevitable failures.

Obama won.

But from now on, it's downhill all the way for him and his rabid, pathetic supporters.

Relax. Grin !!!!!

Ian

November 3rd, 2008 10:06pm Report this comment

Verity and Mark Soloman -

Obama is African-American. I'm not being politically correct, in his case it's true.

RMH

November 4th, 2008 8:32am Report this comment

"Zogby predicts a Democratic win with 311 electoral votes.

CBS predicts a 5 point Democratic win.

Trouble is, these were predicted in 2004."

NONSENCE

The logic was that it was too close to call, and if teh Ohio SoS had not played by Florida rules we may have seen something differently.

It was a good day for the pollers in 04, calling Ohio as the be all and end all.

Look at the trackers, not outliers.

Conservative Cabbie

November 4th, 2008 9:47am Report this comment

David

Stop taking yourself so seriously. "I laugh in the face of polls" was a deliberate attempt at self-parody.

Are you such a cultist that you can't even see the possibility of a McCain win? I think it's perfectly reasonable to look at Indiana, Missouri, Florida, Nevada and Ohio, see that they're polling within the margin of error, see that Obama has consistently overpolled, question whether on the day, a minority of voters might baulk at voting for such an inexperienced candidate and recognise that McCain might actually win these states. If he wins those, it comes down to Virginia and Pennsylvania and bearing in mind that one is a redstate and McCain has significantly narrowed the gap in the other, it's not completely far-fetched to predict a McCain win. I've consistently acknowledged that the polls don't look good but I can still see a path to victory for McCain. Loosen up.

Michael Freeman

November 4th, 2008 9:53am Report this comment

Quite apart from whether Obama is black, mixed race or whatever, has any President before come from a "background" other than Anglo/Scottish/Irish, plus a bit of Dutch/German/Scandinavian? No Poles, Italians, Hispanics, Jews, Native Americans etc.??? Doesn't that make Obama's election - if he wins - all the more remarkable?

Hereford

November 4th, 2008 11:20am Report this comment

Verity: He is only marginally more black than I am (half Welsh, half Irish :o), but his being capable of being labelled as black is a device and a brilliant one.

Nobody can impune any aspect of his character, his experience or his skills as a politician under any circumstances, because if they do, they are attacking a black man. That is impossible to rationalise.

This has clearly established the heirarchy of victimhood though, because nobody protects Palin because she is female. An slur on her is OK by everyone. No screams of sexism.

So there we have it the most equal of all the equal people are those with, even a drop of, black heritage.

Conservative Cabbie

November 4th, 2008 12:54pm Report this comment

Hereford writes

"This has clearly established the heirarchy of victimhood though, because nobody protects Palin because she is female. An slur on her is OK by everyone. No screams of sexism"

It's not because she's a female, it's because she's not a liberal. Liberals are only tolerant of people with the same views as them, they hate anyone else. If the GOP put up a black candidate, liberals would call him an "uncle Tom" or not really a black man.

Augustus

November 4th, 2008 2:45pm Report this comment

"It is hard to believe that this amazing election is almost over." It is also hard to believe if all those enthusiastic voters for Obama are alltogether sure exactly who Obama is, what he wants to do, or even if he is the proper antidote to George Bush. After more than a year of campaigning, after being packaged and presented, at great expense as a gigantic media product, he still remains an enigma.

It is also unclear what Obama's message of 'hope' and 'change' is. The hope part turned a little weird when Obama, in prophetic fashion proclaimed, "We are the ones we've been waiting for." And change? Obama himself has changed positions on FISA, NAFTA, campaign public financing, town-hall meetings with McCain, offshore drilling, nuclear and coal power, capital punishment and gun control, his approach to Iran, the surge in Iraq, and the future of Jerusalem. So change from what to what? And is that a tax-cut policy, or more a redistribution of wealth in search of forced equality? What exactly is 'spreading the wealth around'?

Upon reviewing Obama's past elections in the state of Illinois, the various associations he liked to cultivate, his brief voting record in the Senate, and his originally outlined positions when he announced his presidential campaign, one might well conclude that America is about to elect the most far left, as well as the most unknown presidential candidate in its history.

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