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Thursday, 27th November 2008

A scary use of police time

Fraser Nelson 11:27pm

So what did Damian Green leak that has warranted his arrest? From what I can gather, here are the three of the stories in this case. The links are not necessarily to the papers who broke the stories. The topics are not just immigration, as I had earlier thought. But they are all in the public interest. They all raise serious questions about the way government is conducted in Britain.

February 2008 – Illegal immigrant found cleaning the Commons with a fake identity pass 

February 2008 – Details of a secret blacklist of Labour MPs suspected of plotting to defeat Gordon Brown’s flagship terror reforms which had
been drawn up by the party’s whips

September 2008 A leaked memo from Jacqui Smith to the PM running through the consequences of the economic downturn on crime. 

Part of me hopes there is more to Green’s arrest than this. I don’t want to think I live in a country where anyone, far less opposition politicians, can get banged up for scrutinising the government in this way. And what will the public think tomorrow morning: “naughty Mr Green” or “what kind of police state is this?” No wonder No10 is stressing that Gordon Brown had “no prior knowledge” of what looks like calamitously heavy-handed policing. This could end up being a disaster for him.
 

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geoff

November 27th, 2008 11:33pm Report this comment

The tories need to quietly stand by their man on this. But pre-emptive attacks on the police are not the right answer nor is trying to drag Brown into it.

The police are normally trying to do the right thing and we should trust them until we see otherwise.

We really must not seek to politicise investigations.

Dewi

November 27th, 2008 11:43pm Report this comment

Do you believe Gordon Brown had no knowledge? I certainly don't -- it positively stinks of his clever-clever blow-up-in-your-face inept tactics.

luke

November 28th, 2008 12:05am Report this comment

I can't imagine its any of the home affairs documents you mention.

I have a suspicion though that it could be treasury files, possibly market sensitive information.

Would be sensational if this was the link into preston for example.

All speculation on my part though.

Austin Barry

November 28th, 2008 12:06am Report this comment

As Joseph Goebbels said:

"It is the absolute right of the State to
supervise the formation of public opinion."

And, if required, to send in Plod to shore-up the proposition.

Richard Holloway

November 28th, 2008 12:11am Report this comment

It's still too early to tell, but I will be reading tomorrow's news with greater attention and a fair dose of fear at what is happening to this country.

C Powell

November 28th, 2008 12:11am Report this comment

Two thoughts: -

1. How can any of these stories justify the use of the anti-terrorist police, for God's sake?!

2. I hope this finally wakes DC up to the destruction of civil liberties in this country and he gives it to Brown with both barrels tomorrow. The Tories also need to press and press for which Government Minister authorised this, especially given the search of his HoC office. This is an abuse of Parliamentary privilege and sovereignty, surely?

dilys

November 28th, 2008 12:19am Report this comment

"Gordon Brown had “no prior knowledge” of what looks like calamitously heavy-handed policing. This could end up being a disaster for him."

Then it will serve a useful purpose.
BTW, he's been arrested not 'banged up' you media drama queen you.

SallyC

November 28th, 2008 1:06am Report this comment

I hope it is.
Has anyone seen Guido?

Bruce Robertson

November 28th, 2008 1:11am Report this comment

Britain's been sliding into a police state for some years. A late friend of ours saw it coming. We laughed at him. We were wrong,

Mike Kingscott

November 28th, 2008 8:28am Report this comment

Nice try Geoff... This is Stalin-esque heavy-handed policing.

The Laughing Cavalier

November 28th, 2008 8:29am Report this comment

Unfortunately, the Met and many other Police authorities have been well and truly politicised during the last eleven years. I, for one, believe none of Brown's protestations. Like most Nulabour politicians he only believes in democracy when it suits him.

Lance Grundy

November 28th, 2008 8:38am Report this comment

Appalling. As David Davies has just said on Radio 4, this is like something out of Mugabe’s Zimbabwe - opposition politicians being intimidated by the police and arrested for opposing the government.

The police are now fully politicised. We’ve gone from the first warning signs of blatant political bias [police cars driving around London displaying “Vote Labour” posters] to Members of Parliament being arrested for opposing the government in less than four years.

This illustrates how far the tentacles of the liberal-left stretch into the British establishment and the powerful, vested interests the Conservative Party will be up against should they win power. These forces have the potential to make life very difficult for a future Conservative administration. Britain’s institutions are stuffed to the rafters with left-wing agitators and political placemen, naturally sympathetic to the Labour Party and hostile to the Tories. They need to be purged - and the Conservatives need to have a strategy in place to deal with them. As Boris Johnson has found though [re his ’sacking’ of Ian Blair] the institutional Leftism of the British establishment it is a multi-headed hydra. Cut off one head and another appears. This kind of thing needs to be stopped before it goes any further.

strapworld

November 28th, 2008 8:47am Report this comment

Could this be the acting commissioner attempting to ingratiate himself with the Home Office?

The Home Secretary gone power crazy?

Brown stopping all opposition.

I thought Cameron was particularly WEAK this morning in answering a question on Mr Green. HE should be leading the onslaught without fear or favour. Demanding statements from the Home Secretary. Immigration Secretary and the Prime Minister. Conservatives should be touring all the media studio's and print rooms! demanding answers.

This is a serious threat to our civil liberties.......

WHERE IS CHAKROBHATI?

wonderfulforhisage

November 28th, 2008 8:47am Report this comment

David Davis vindicated

Fraser Nelson

November 28th, 2008 8:59am Report this comment

dilys, Green was detained for nine hours until liberated from the police station by David Davis.

(Okay, I made the last bit up...)

MarkS

November 28th, 2008 9:49am Report this comment

Mandelson!

Gordon Brown

November 28th, 2008 9:54am Report this comment

These are extraordinary times and extraordinary times require extraordinary action and solutions. It is the right decision in order to protect families and businesses up and down the country, that opposition politicians don't talk down the economy. It is the right decision that some restrictions should be placed on the opposition and the media in these extraordinary times, the causes of which were started in America.

Jim Carr

November 28th, 2008 5:21pm Report this comment

If Brown did not "know" about this, it is because he instructed his underlings that he should not "know".
Plausible deniability and all that, though in Brown's case, implausible deniability.
As for the weakness of Windmill Dave's responses, he is in a bind of his own making.
By not sacking Zac Goldsmith for his backing of the Greenpeace criminals, Windmill Dave's support for the rule of law is debatable.

Joe Reynolds

November 28th, 2008 6:14pm Report this comment

Let's hope that Mandleson is behind this. Then all the people who had a bet that he would have to resign before Christmas will get a nice present from the bookmakers. The rest of us will just get a nice present.

JimBob

November 28th, 2008 8:12pm Report this comment

Mr Brown - well said.

It does however come as no suprise to see that Ms. Chakrobarti and 'liberty' aren't bothered about the Tories.

dilys

November 28th, 2008 8:47pm Report this comment

Fraser, When I was banged up I was in a locked cell by myself for a lot longer than nine hours.
You telling me that they locked a Tory MP in a cell? I'd bet that they were no more than in the station and his cups of tea came in china rather than plastic.
Neverthe less, it was wrong but NTW it'll do him a power of good to see how lesser folks than he are routinely treated.

Milbro Sprite

November 29th, 2008 10:59am Report this comment

Dilys, it was for your own protection. I'm sure Damian Green had not been binge drinking on alco-pops.

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