Brown and out

AndyPandy

Please can we start the campaign now, action not words: 'The only way out with any dignity [Gordon] is to call an election today'. Then pray fervently that he falls for it.

George Laird

Dear All

In 1997, the Tories were kicked out because the British public hated them.

In the next General Election, New Labour will be kicked out because the public hate them.

Policies it would appear don't come into it.

In Scotland there is a single Tory MP because Scottish people hate Tories.

At the next General Election, there maybe no Tories in Scotland!

In an everchanging world, one thing remains a constant, the people hate being conned by slimy politicans.

Roll on a hung Parliament.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Chuck Unsworth

Hope Obama brings his wallet with him.

Ian Walker

Anyone shedding a tear? Nope, me neither.

Hawkeye

Depending on Obama? What's in it for Obama? Why should "The One" rescue the captain of an "in progress" train wreck? Why should he sully his shining glory with the tarnish of Culpability Brown? A cool distance from Brown and a visit to see Cameron would serve Obama better in the long run.

The man who has abandoned Basra to the Yanks is not exactly a reliable ally. The man whose navy could not even defend itself against Iranians armed with speedboats?

Brown might need Obama, but Obama most definitely does NOT need an association with Brown.

Tobeornottobe

The electorate just cannot make their mind up about Gordon Brown. He's risen from the dead so many times that anything is possible. They said that Tony Blair was a brilliant actor. In my view Gordon Brown is an even better one. He's just as good at playing Mr Bean as he is at playing Stalin or Churchill. David Cameron needs to start brushing up on his acting skills and start playing the role of a serious PM in waiting. Only then can he guarantee success at the ballot box.

John of Monmouth

I don't see how Brown can benefit from being seen with Obama. It will invite comparisons that are not in Browns favour. Obama is a good (great?) communicator and can inspire - Brown is leaden. Obama is young - Brown looks haggard. Obama represents change - Brown is more of the same. Obama represents optimism, hope & freedom - Brown represents the dead hand of bureacracy. Above all Obama represents the future - Brown is the past.

TomTom

Brown is a busted flush. Now tell us about the first 90-days of George Osborne at The Treasury...he might not have much longer than that before the Pound collapses

Peter Wilson

I still can't understand how Labour see the potential Obama visit as a plus for them.

At a stroke it negates the 'novice' charge against Cameron and Obama represents change after many years of the same man in charge.

If anything it will reinforce the fact that now is the time for change in Britain, and although Cameron doesn't quite have as much charisma as Obama, next to Brown he looks like charisma personified.

Ian C

It could not happen to anyone more deserving!

As Hawkeye says, why would The One want to have anything to do with Broonies?

luke

This is all far too premature. Labour support is tracking almost perfectly the confidence of individuals in their own financial prospects. This has dropped markedly and so Brown's popularity declines.

If he hangs in there his numbers will start lifting once confidence begins to recover

AngloWelshDragon

Dear George Laird

For your own safety, please stop addressing us in such pompous terms. I am sure many people on this site have totally eyepopping credentials behind their pseudonyms but they do not feel the need to parade them at every turn. I assume you are very young so perhaps you feel a little insecure without your title to hide behind?

Take my advice, your views are likely to earn you a beasting in these parts, don't earn your self a rep as a pompous prig into the bargain!

AngloWelshDragon

Just a thought George, are you at Glasgow University and campaigning for human rights or are you actually campaigning for human rights at Glasgow University? Are they doing unspeakable things to your sporran dear?

TrevorsDen

Why should Obama want to be seen with Brown?

Brown is a great crony of the new England Hyanisport Democrat liberal-left. That might cause some small measure of fraternal concern (but Obama is from the Chicago school - not sure if that helps).

Obama will not want to annoy the next British govt.

Will Brown be around to meet Obama?

Corus job losses and the potential for 4500 job losses sow the current shocking state of the nation.

Brown will probably feel the backlash from the public due to his assertions of 'help' where in fact none were available. Maybe the penny has finally dropped - "Brown is actually as thick as he secretly thinks we are"

Oor Willie

Hawkeye, I agree. You might also have asked why Obama would cosy up to someone who has been blaming the USA for starting the "global economic crisis". Brown sure knows how to win friends and influence people--not!

George Laird

Dear whoever

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

“For your own safety, please stop addressing us in such pompous terms”.

I never fear for my safety on here. Do posters on here use violence against others?

“I am sure many people on this site have totally eyepopping credentials behind their pseudonyms but they do not feel the need to parade them at every turn”.

Given that is subjective opinion, I would think not.

“I assume you are very young so perhaps you feel a little insecure without your title to hide behind?”

There you go with a subjective opinion which is not based on fact. That to me shows a little immaturity on your part.

“Take my advice”.

If I had any respect for you, I would certainly consider it, however I believe in speaking the truth. I don’t have any respect for you and precious little for anyone else. You have to earn respect from me before I consider your views in a serious light.

“your views are likely to earn you a beasting in these parts, don't earn your self a rep as a pompous prig into the bargain!”.

You seem confused, what makes you think I care about what other people’s opinions of me are?

I don’t chum.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Alex

Pound/Dollar = 1/1.39. "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy, which is the sign of a weak government"

Nicholas

luke you are delusional like the party you support. Brown and the New Labour junta are finished.

Brown has been rumbled. New Labour has been rumbled. The English don't want them anymore so they better run back to Scotland before the SNP finish them off there too.

mac

"The brilliantly-constructed illusion".
How delicately phrased, James!

Constant, shameless lying, and much MSM connivance, more like.

Diswiss

George Laird. You're wasting your breath.

AngloWelshDragon

George. I am pleased to hear you have acquired an interest in the facts. Lets hope they inform your future comments on Israel.

Verity

What's in it for Obama?

Zero.

Apart from anything else, no one in the United States has heard of Gordon Brown, so it would look as though their president was mixing around with a nonentity. I think he'll send Hillary and she is one very hard gal to impress. She is accustomed to the glory and accoutrements of the White House. Downing St will leave her cold. And she doesn't do charm.

Travis Bickle

Anyone got the number for DELL support? My computer must be broken as the mandatory anti-Cameron paragraph was missing from Verity's post.

hadrian

You never know, Verity, Hilary might fall head over heels for Gordo, two charmless individuals recognising shared qualities...though if they ask her to the Palace, it's more likely a chunk of neglected masonry will fall on her head and goodness knows what that'd do for Anglo-American relations!
I still think we should NEVER (mis-)underestimate the Broon bouncey factor. It's just too easy to get over complacent. Look at what happened to Alex Salmond over that Glenrothes by-election! One mistake Obama NEVER made was to presume.To the very last he was on alert. Cameron, take note!

CCTV

Travis Bickle should switch to Linux - it is probably Vista which is filterimg your perception of reality !

David Bouvier

George appears to be an ex-student, disciplined by the university for some reason, who believes that that process was a conspiracy against him and violated his human rights. (Ain't google wonderful).

David Short

The daily comment in the Spectator seems almost always about predicting Brown's demise.

How many times can you say the same thing?

I am hoping for a Lib-Lab result, so we can get the best of both worlds. With L-L, we'll get a reversal on war-mongering and cancellation of the heinous ID card scheme.

And a Tory defeat will put an end to the Old Etonian, rich-by-inheritance public schoolboy domination of the Conservative party.

Whoopee.

David Bouvier

David Short - you don't think that a Tory victory will lead to the cancellation of ID cards.

The last Tory government rejected various sallies from the bureaucracy to get unique IDs to link all the main state databases - on the grounds that it was a threat to liberty. But you would have had to be in trenches in Westminster to notice it. Whereas Labour never found a threat to liberty it didn't like.

Throw the b******s out.

AngloWelshDragon

David Bouvier
January 27th, 2009 9:50am

He he! David I think you may be right! I have googled him as well and it seems we are not the only ones getting the benefit of his patronising pronouncements.

From henceforth I will think of his him as 'Camel' Laird seing as he appear to permanently have the hump with us lesser mortals!

David Short

Bouvier, of course the Tories would throw ID cards out. I know that. It's a cause dear to my heart because I feel I could never succumb to an ID card system in the UK. I'd have to go to jail or become French. (and yes I know they have compulsory ID there. But there are limits on the intrusion of the state into an individual's liberty in France. It's guaranteed, Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. Here, every little jumped up town hall jerk or litter warden would be able to ask you to produce it).

But to have the ID card cancelled without letting Old Etonians start bossing us about again, which would be the result of a Lib-Lab pact, is the double whammy I mean.

cuffleyburgers

@ Anglo Welsh Dragon - that would be camel and chips (off the shoulder) - deep fried presumably with a mars bar thrown in, washed down with a whisky and Irn bru.

Mmm - a mouth watering prospect.

hadrian

Oh, David Short, grow up and cut the class warfare crap which is tiresome in the extreme.
How gives a toss what a person's background is if they are fair and at least reasonably efficient?!

David Bouvier

Short - also, are you really absolutely certain that there is any policy at all that the Lib Dems wouldn't compromise on to get into government. What if they were offered PR but had to keep the ID cards to avoid embarrassing Labour?

Choose? Get rid of ID cards or discriminate based on chippy social prejudice? Maybe you can't have both.

George Laird

Dear AngloWelshDragon et al

Thank you for taking the time to google me.

“He he! David I think you may be right! I have googled him as well and it seems we are not the only ones getting the benefit of his patronising pronouncements”.

Did you google me speaking out on Gitmo?

I said that the place should be closed.

I said that the trials should be scrapped.

I said that information collected via torture should be inadmissible.

Barack Obama has;

Signed an order to close Gitmo;

Scrapped the trials;

And stated American will enforce the law that means information obtained under torture is inadmissible.

It seems that I have a track record of speaking out and getting it right.

Oh, if only you had such a talent.

“From henceforth I will think of his him as 'Camel' Laird seing as he appear to permanently have the hump with us lesser mortals!”

Finally, for you and the other Tories, in Scotland a woman called Shirley McKie fought for nine years to get justice which she managed to get after a hard fight.

I am in the same boat, false accusations were made against me and my money was also stolen in the process.

Should I just walk away because it is inconvenient for some people to obey the law?

I shall in future think of you as ‘bulletin’ Dragon because that is as long as your sense of justice and memory can hang on to an issue.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University