The government doesn't know what to do about the Muslim Council of Britain's boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day

Faceless Bureaucrat

Nu Liebor have been pandering to this and similar groups for years - now the chickens start coming home to roost for the Government...

Austin Barry

Confusion? No. Fear more like. Why don't we just replace the Union Jack (with its upsetting crusader cross) with the green flag of Islam and accept our new role as part of the Caliphate. We have nothing to lose but our culture and foreskins.

Chris in UK

I thought that Labour policy with regard to Islamists was basically to drop to their knees with both hands on top of their head.

Andy H

The headline should read "The government doesn't know what to do."

C Powell

They shoudn't have any view on how to deal with it. They should ignore the MCB. The whole policy of trying to find "community leaders" is flawed, reeking of colonial administrators trying to find the most accommodating local chief who can keep the "natives" in order. It has no place in a democracy: all citizens should be treated equally, each of them having one vote and their religion should be of no concern to the government, other than when that religion - or a perversion of it - threatens to become a criminal / public order matter and then the individual should be treated as a criminal not tiptoed around because of spurious "sensitivity" concerns.

What's more the policy of trying to find Muslim community leaders is the one which will do the most harm to those within that community who are most at risk from the backward and barbaric aspects of that culture e.g. women forced into marriage, girls denied education etc etc.

Governments should ignore all these bodies, cut off funds to all these self-appointed community groups and tell them to behave like proper grown-up citizens of Britain, comply with our laws or find somewhere more congenial to live. And for good measure they should say that Holocaust denial is so repulsive that anyone espousing it puts themselves beyond the pale of the civilised world.

Chances of any minister or, indeed, MP saying this: about zero, alas.

Sean

"Had Hitler been able to get his hands on a few Muslims, I'm sure they would have met a similar fate."

Shahi Malik says. Don't get me wrong Mr Malik is one of the few Nu-Labs I like, but history ain't his strong point.

Shahid! Look into the Skanderbeg divisions of the Waffen SS - they were 100% Muslim.

Look into the Mufti and his large entourage's luxurious life in wartimne Berlin.

Look into the collaboration between North African Muslims and the Nazis that led to 1000s of Moghrabi Jews going on a long train ride to Poland.

Hitler did get his hands on a few Muslims, and he shook them warmly...

Nicholas

Sean is absolutely correct. The Muslim units of the Waffen-SS even had the fez as an official part of their otherwise German military uniform. And Nazi involvement in the wartime Iraq revolt against the British culminating in the siege of RAF Habbaniya.

Thomas

Sean: Speaking of North Africans, who are predominantly Moslem as a result of Islam's almost 1400 years of operating the slave trade throughout Africa, did you know that the EU has a Barcelona Agreement whereby the EU has agreed, starting in 2010, to allow "immigration" of 65 million North Africans into the European Continent as part of the steps to "extend" the EU? This is cultural, political, racial and religious genocide against Europe's native population which also happens to be a violation of the United Nations sponsored Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which forbids in its statutes such genocide, not that that will help anyone.

As to Hitler and Islam:

"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers --- already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing is Christianity! --- then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammadenism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the German races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."
Adolf Hitler, 28 August, 1942

The Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS were responsible for murdering 250,000 Serbian Christians, Jews and gypsies. They were formed as part of an agreement between Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a relative of Yasser Arafat, who spent considerable time in Germany during the War.

Austin Barry

Sean

Shahid could also usefully consider the 10,000 Moorish troops who supported the Nazi-backed Franco and their part in the massacre of 2,000 prisoners at Badajoz.

Faceless Bureaucrat

@ Sean

Well said - you beat me to the raising of the Skanderbeg & 'Berlin Mufti' issues.

Selective memory on the part of Shahid Malik methinks, or perhaps the teaching of History is another victim of Nu Liebor's Education policies....

nik

Treat them with the same contempt they do the indiginous british people. An eye for an eye!

Gruntsun

MCB should crawl back under the stone from which it appeared, and good riddance.

This probably applies to Nu-Lab as well - however, confusion and stupidity still allows them the benefit of doubt, even if this is wearing a bit thin.

Wilhelm

The demographics of Britain are

93 % Caucasion,
3.5 % muslim
2.5 % African
1 % Chinese

Yet it seems the ethnics are holding the whip hand.

Andy Leeds

The Muslim Council of Britain are a despicable bunch even on a good day. I'm fast coming to the conclusion its a nest of vipers and traitors.

Pete, Scotland

Stable doors and horses comes to mind!

We are Governed by idiots!

mckenzie

they talk about certain people causing division in the community. Meanwhile, they stand firmly united, while the rest of us run around like labour voters.

Alf Tupper

Wilhelm.

The figures for those under 25 would go some way to explaining. The graph gets scarier by the year.

jay

What no-one has mentioned so far is that since the creation of the MCB - the junior communities minister Mr Khan was its executive committee member and the chair if its legal committee!!!!! No wonder he seems to be distancing himself from the comments of his Muslim colleague Mr Malik………………….

Did Mr Kahn declare his conflict of interest during the debate - silly question of course he didn’t.

But how's this for further conflict - Mr Khan was also the solicitor defending none other than the worlds second most notorious anti-Semitic figure Louis Farrakhan (Iran has the number one!).

Below is a bbc link to the article where Mr Khan defends Farrakhan by saying:

Sadiq Khan, solicitor for the Nation of Islam, told the BBC: "He is preaching a message of self-discipline, self-reliance, atonement and responsibility.
"He's trying to address the issues and problems we have in the UK, black on black crime and problems in the black community.
"It's outrageous and astonishing that the British Government is trying to exclude this man."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1959105.stm

King Prawn

It is pretty obvious what the government should do - bypass the MCB altogether and start talking to moderate Muslims like Saira Khan (runner up in 'THe Aprrentice'). It is Muslims like Ms Khan who will change that religion forever.

Max Kaye

King Prawn,

Why should the government be 'talking' to organised groups of muslims at all? Muslim individuals have a simple choice: accept and abide by British laws, customs and norms; or emigrate to some other country were Islam reigns.

Verity

What's pretty boy Inayat Bunglawalah doing these days, btw? Still at the Muslim Council?

Verity

I, too, like Saira Khan. I also like Irshad Manji in Toronto. http://www.irshadmanji.com/ Not only is she a straight thinker, but she's a dynamite writer and sometimes very funny. I recommend her site highly. She's very quick off the mark in her public speaking, too. Someone in the audience asked if the Israeli government paid her to write one of her books, and she shot back, "No. A shekel doesn't buy what it used to."

Mohammed

Why aren't the MCB allowed not to attend the HMD, their leaders have always expressed sympathy and solidarity with those who commemorate the ghastly acts, killing, bombing and humiliation suffered by our Jewish brethren under the Nazis. The non-attendance is more a protest at the events non-inclusivity and continued terrorism perpetrated against innocent Palestinians by the Israeli state.

Its bemusing that the MCB are required to condemn the 60 year-old Holocaust (which they do) but governments in the West are never prepared to condemn Israeli murder and oppression taking place under their noses right now!!!

Farouk

Mohammed you make a salient point. Please as an apostate from Islam allow me, someone who understands both sides of the fence to reply.
The Holocaust event isn’t about Islam but about western contrition over how in living memory we allowed racial hatred to take a new form when the Nazis industrialised the extermination of a whole racial identity. There never has been any pressure on Muslims to partake in this remembrance.
Rather the MCB sought to politicise the event by making a huge song and dance about why they wouldn’t attend. They did this by trying to insert so called genocides where the only victims were Muslims and demanding their inclusion. (Occupied Palestinian territories, Chechnya Kashmir )The problem here was this was recorded on BBC TV‘s Panorama program’ A Question of Leadership’ in 2005 and the reporter asked why only those events were named by the MCB as worthy of inclusion. Way and behold the MCB inserted Rwanda as if its inclusion would whitewash the bias expressed at the MCB.
Tell me Mohamed if the MCB wanted other genocides to be represented why didn’t they include the Armenian genocide, the East Pakistan genocide why let’s not forget the genocide committed by Syria in the city of Hama in 1982 were they murdered up to 25000 people, how about the death toll in Afghanistan when the Taliban were taking power (whole towns were massacred in which to teach the opposition a lesson) Let’s not forget the blood letting in Iran and Iraq were thousands disappeared.
The thing is Mohammed Holocaust day is all about the West’s contrition on allowing the systematic murder of so many people (the majority being Jews) during WW2. Islam on the otherhand goes out of its way in which to ensure that such atrocities are kept covered up usually by pointing the finger of blame at everybody and anybody bar the mirror.
As for Israel and its so called oppression of those poor Palestinians. As badly treated as they are. Their lot is far superior to Palestinians in any Arabic country and just think if they actually followed the path of peace as so many people keep on telling me Islam is (No chance of me visiting a mosque thou) then they would find the jews would have no reason to retaliate for rocket attacks against their country.
The last I looked in 1948 all the Arab neighbours invaded Israel in an attempt to wipe it out. The fact they won against the Egyptian army, Jordanian army. The Lebanese army the Syrian army and the Iraqi army without any army of their own tells me the Arabs can only fight against civilians but when they meet people who can fight back they cry victim.