A story the press should not encourage

Verity

Well, Susan Hill, the socialist paedophiles have been grooming children in state schools for years now, and it's accepted that teaching little five-year-olds all about sex, before those children have even begun to ask their own parents, in their own homes questions, has nothing to do with preventing teen pregnancies and everything to do with nationalising children. And I do believe that the people engaged in this enormity are real paedophiles who, if these "lessons" took place outside school, would be arrested.

Second, back to this story, two other boys, older - I think one's 15 and one's 16 - are now claiming that they are the father. So now, we have the little 13 year old, a 15 year old and a 16 year old all vying for publication rights to the story. (Although if it's one of the two older ones, there's certainly no story there in the scum stratum of British society.)

Now this little 13 year old boy has agreed to take a paternity test. You could not make it up.

And his father is furious. He has already expressed his intention of making "a packet" out of this story and is understandably disconcerted to see that his son has rivals.

Doug

"compulsory sex ed..." Oh please not that old chestnut! It's just like how pre-teen kids know how to hot wire a car. It's because kids have a base of oral knowledge that is passed down by successive generations just as knowledge of sex is. It can't be stopped (even if you censor everything kids see). At least with sex ed you can help correct the myths that result from Chinese whispers. The evidence shows that kids who are not taught sex ed have a higher incidence of pregnancy and sexual disease because no education or lack thereof will contend with hormones in children who have no understanding of delayed gratification. I have no problem with teaching abstinence but only as part of comprehensive sex ed class. Ultimately if the kids had used a condom this wouldn't be a story.

TrevorsDen

If you are not to blame the children who do you blame? They should be prosecuted and the 2 sets of parents should be prosecuted and all the children taken into care.

The boy is reported to say he wants to be a good parent (as if he knows what that entails - probably ticking a few extra boxes to get his extra giro no doubt) - well lets hope he makes a better job of it than HIS parents did.

The Press ? Since when was anybody proved wrong by being too cynical about the press?

Ivan D

Perhaps Fraser will quit the Screws in protest?

TGF UKIP

Susan Hill probably speaks for the entire non tabloid-reading nation as well as probably for a majority of tabloid readers as well.

Tabloid editors and hacks have a lot to answer for.

David

"They can hardly avoid knowing exactly how to do it"

One wonders how humans managed before cheap magazines, tabloids, television, the internet by that logic....

mac

Morals and responsibility from the super soaraway Sun? Not this side of Hell freezing, and just about as likely from this foetid government.

Of course, there might be some ersatz, reactive outrage from the likes of Balls if the bunker senses that there's sufficient public distaste.

And, quite soon, Ms Harman, Ms Blears or Ms Toynbee will be along to sermonise tiresomely on eq-ua-li-ty and to tell us that it's all Margaret Thatcher's fault, that these people are 'unfairly deprived' and that all will be resolved provided the state spends more money 'lifting them out of poverty'.

TJTB

Your double think makes me want to cry. You blame culture for "sex in their faces", suggest that an eight year old boy wouldn't "know where to get, let alone how to use, a condom", AND THEN decry "compulsory sex education from Year 1". But perhaps expecting consistency from someone repeatedly tells us she is on the verge of tears is unfair.

Andrew Zalotocky

The tabloid press has never had "any conscience, sense of public duty or morality" and never will. They are vultures who feed on human misery and they don't give a damn about what harm they do.

James

"and why in God’s name does a 12 year old boy who looks 8 know where to get, let alone how to use, a condom ?"

Err... Surely the point is that he DIDN'T know these things?

RW

Like the Shannon Matthews affair, there seems to be more to this sad business than meets the eye - or rather, more than the "authorities" will allow us to see, at least for the moment. Such as the 16 year old boy who was "sleeping with" the girl when the baby was conceived, and is insistent that it's his child. Alfie Patten had not yet reached puberty at the time.

This society of sexualised children is one which the political Left has deliberately created, for its own perverse ends. It now insists that "sex education" will be compulsory for five year olds. For God's sake: five year old children.

I will simply say that, looking at the nightmarish destruction of social morality which the Left have inflicted on my country, I'm glad I have no grandchildren.

Max Kaye

Cut all welfare payments to chav children and their families and the amount of indiscriminate procreation will soon be much reduced (or at least the abortion rates will rise - with the same positive result). After all, there's only so many stories like this that will sell newspapers.

CS

***and why in God’s name does a 12 year old boy who looks 8 know where to get, let alone how to use, a condom ?***

Neither problem is exactly rocket science. If he's going to have sex, would you honestly prefer that he didn't know how to use a condom? Or would you prefer that, if he's going to have sex, the girl should get pregnant so as to give people like you the maximum opportunity to bewail the decline of civilisation?

Children do not learn about sex in the classroom but from gossip and popular culture. I for one would prefer that, if they're going to know about sex anyway, they know how things work and the dangers involved.

Try to conceive (perhaps an unfortunate word) that, were sex education not compulsory, we might be having dozens of these cases in the news every week.

My own opinion has long been that society's perverse obsession with sex is a direct result of the church's teaching for centuries that the human body and the sexual act are inherently sinful and horrific.

If sex and nakedness were treated as no less natural than eating and breathing, I suspect that fewer of us would rush to do it.

David Lindsay

Posh girls do fall pregnant, too. And posh boys make them pregnant. But those girls have abortions. If that is that is that the screeching pseudo-conservatives prefer, then they are truly the heirs of Margaret Thatcher (who also gave this country massively increased benefit dependency) and her reign of moral chaos, not least including the legalisation of abortion up to and including partial birth.

There must be a lot of 13-year-old fathers about, far more than to warrant a Sun front page each time that it happens. It is just that most of them either do not know, or are not named on the birth certificates. The great sage and wordsmith David Cameron may be “really worried” by this one in East Sussex, or at least by the pictures of him. But Cameron has not questioned those who have used this case as yet another excuse to call for yet more “sex education”. In fact, this boy and his girlfriend have been brought to this situation precisely by that publicly funded grooming.

No one in this country over the age of seven or eight can now be in the slightest doubt as to where babies come from. Yet things like this go on happening, underage abortions are routinely recorded as other things in order to disguise the real rate of them, venereal disease (especially chlamydia) is at epidemic levels among the very young, and so on, and on, and on.

The real reason for public grooming is exactly the same as that for private grooming: to encourage children into sex with each other and with adults. And it is succeeding only too horrifically well.

Verity

"Sex education" for five year olds is a rape of childhood.

Regarding the little boy who is now going to take a DNA test to prove he's the father and therefore the natural heir to the tabloid cottage industry pounds that will spring up around him for 3 days, seems to be curiously divorced from all this. A reporter asked him how he could support the child financially, and he asked, "What's financially mean?" Was he going to go back to school, they asked? (Well, legally, he has to...) He replied, "School's dead boring". So we have another passenger for life on the taxpayer.

Doug: "The evidence shows that kids who are not taught sex ed have a higher incidence of pregnancy and sexual disease." Are you serious? You think these clapped out children from council flats where their mother has a new "friend" every couple of weeks and where they have no idea what a "father" is, think about sexually transmitted diseases and prevention of pregnancy? Is that why we are tied with the US welfare class with highest under-age pregnancy rate in the world?

And, of course, the most important thing is, the avid sex education preachers eschew the equation of morality. And practicality. Fifty years ago, the question would have been not just how to face the neighbours, but "How to get the money to raise a child." That important door has been wedged open by the left.

Fergus Pickering

Perhaps I'm wrong, but wouldn't the boy get free condoms from school? Aren't they pressed on them all the time? As I said, I don't KNOW this but it's what I heard. Oh, and Trevorsden, don't be silly. What would prosecuting the boy and the girl achieve? What would you sentence them to? Spells in chokey? Fines? And the boy doesn't look nine. He looks twelve or thirteen. Have any of you LOOKED at children lately?

JohnAnt

Surely this is about the chav culture of kidz having lots of time, no real interests, no parental control, no homework, no properly socialised activities, just eating, drinking and tv-induced early sexualisation, on the easy path to kidulthood.

Herbert Thornton

An Australian friend of mine told me that a young Aboriginal man he knew used to tell people that when he was conceived, his father was 92. He was, said my friend, very proud indeed of this.

Now I wonder whether we will soon hear of competition at the other end of the scale -

"So, when you were conceived, your dad was only 11? That's nothing. Mine was only 10."

Verity

CS Could deeply stupid people such as your goodself stop comparing every human activity with "rocket science"? ... as in "it's not" ....? There's a good little chappie.

Frank O'Connell

When I was a child we had a moor to play on.
Out through our door accross the cobbled street through Nolan's Alley on to Walkden Moor and what joy it was we played cricket in summer soccer in winter.kite flying in autumn.
The first time I knew anything about sex was when I was 11 and 6 months,..
I was going to school and I said to some school pals that my mum was bringing home a baby.
I think she was getting it from Woolworths.
How times have changed.
I was a very lucky man.

noughtpointzero

"Don't blame the kids, blame sex education" - and you get paid for writing this? So what's your plan, don't tell kids what sex is and pray that they don't find out for themselves? How exactly would you deal with the fact that so many teens believe so many myths about sex, like that you can't get pregnant the first time? Just ignore it and hope it goes away?

Tom Pride

Patience. Wait for the DNA then see if there is anything under the bed.

Wily Trout

"social services will descend in such numbers we need not worry about the baby being safe" - are you sure about that? Seems a pretty baseless assumption to me.

Roger Thornhill

I do not agree with the idea to cut payments just "to chav children"

There should be a uniform rule that if a family unit is on welfare, that that level of support will not rise beyond inflationary rises even if additional kids are born. Thus, if daughter gets pregnant, no place on the housing list, no extra payments, no this and no that. If a kid is born to the adults, same thing. Ergo, Parents will be subjected to the same constraints that taxpayers are (shock!, horror!) and ensure that their kids will not bring in a baby "on their watch". The children will also learn that the way for them escape from home is to...earn money.

The money saved can be spent on supporting people who take in elderly relatives, i.e. with care assistants, not money (lest Gran will be seen as a honeypot).

CS

Verity, you really do hate with a passion anyone who doesn't fit into your desperately narrow little world view, don't you? It wasn't that long ago that you were raving about the genetic inferiority of immigrant babies.

The Bellman

Maybe we could shame the little bastards into curtailing their urge to spawn by brainwashing them that babies have a big carbon footprint.

The hippy fraternity that contribute to education policy have no problem being judgemental about that sort of conduct.

MikeTV

"This pregnancy began in America. It is a Global pregnancy. In order to prevent further similar pregnancies, Government proposes to introduce parenting lessons for the hard-w*nking under-fives of Great Britain, while the do-nothing Tories say that they should have keep their willies safely in their trousers in the first place"

Verity

CS do you have this bookmarked? "Verity, you really do hate with a passion anyone who doesn't fit into your desperately narrow little world view, don't you?" You really must stop racing in with this sentence. This blog is about news. Try to phrase it differently next time.

"It wasn't that long ago that you were raving about the genetic inferiority of immigrant babies."

CS - Have someone read the definition of "raving" to you, there's a good fellow.

I wrote that PAKISTANI (not "immigrant"; not Indians, not West Indians, not citizens of other EU countries; not citizens of the Commonwealth; not Americans living and working in Britain) babies account for 30% of the birth defects recorded by the NHS. This figure is from the NHS itself, a violently socialist organisation, itself. Perhaps we can assume, as socialists lie, that the figure is actually higher.

Pakistanis account for around 2m adults in the population, yet they produce around 30% of all children born with birth defects in the NHS, many of those defects so severe that those children will need constant, taxpayer-funded expensive care for the whole of their lives. The Pakistanis seem to be the only group in all of humanity that has failed to notice that first cousin marriage, especially generation after generation, produces huge numbers of birth defects. It doesn't seem to be practiced anywhere else on our planet.

For years, brave Bradford MP Anne Cryer has been trying to get first cousin marriages classed as incest and made illegal. Yet the Pakistanis continue to send for first cousins, who themselves carry recessive genes, to come to civilisation and marry into their own family.

BTW, what is my "desperately narrow little world view"? I suspect it is you who suffer from this myopia. Only people who have not travelled much and have never lived in another country are so defensively myopic.