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Peter Hoskin 6:32pm

A tale of two speeches today, as Brown and Cameron delivered addresses largely on the markets and financial regulation.  The big difference: Brown's was directed at a European audience in Strasbourg, whilst Cameron's was delivered here in Blighty.  It made for a striking comparison.

On the one hand, you had the PM putting a Continental spin on his usual platitudes - he even said that "we in Europe are uniquely placed...".  Will this really achieve all that much, apart from raising a few chuckles from those European politicians who can remember when Chancellor Brown frequently snubbed meetings of EU finance ministers?  Of course, the idea is that Brown has to rally support ahead of the G20 and, in turn, the Downing St strategists hope that will translate to a G20 bounce for the PM.  But, with the hope that anything meaningful will be achieved in Watford dwindling by the day, there's still a grim futility about it all.

On the other, you had the Tory leader delivering a quietly effective attack on "Labour's Debt Crisis" and the Government's "failure to regulate public and private debt".   He even managed to make some encouraging, if slightly nebulous, noises about how the Tories regard regulation and free markets - and all with a British slant.  Sure, the subject matter was a little on the dry side.  But throw in Mervyn King's comments, and the Tories have been able to score some useful blows against the absent Brown.

All in all, it's on days like today when you see just how easily Brown's global approach could alienate him from the British electorate - the people, lest he forget, whose votes he'll need come election time.

P.S. Dan Hannan used Brown's European appearance to absolutely skewer the PM.  Here's the unmissable footage:

 

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Hereford

March 24th, 2009 6:52pm Report this comment

Absolutely brilliant analysis of Brown. No punches pulled, precise and concise. Give the man a mars bar.

Verity

March 24th, 2009 6:55pm Report this comment

Yowzer! This Hannan is a man who does not mince his words. And the greatest insults delivered with such sange-froid! Brown sat there smiling, pretending to be amused and take notes, but I daresay he has never been so insulted publically in his entire life. Hannan looks and talks like a leader.

David Ossitt

March 24th, 2009 6:58pm Report this comment

Daniel Hannan.

Put the knife right from the start and never stopped twisting it.

Gordon must have been seething; the world and his uncle should see this footage.

Dave B

March 24th, 2009 7:17pm Report this comment

Mr Hannan should get a medal, tea with the Queen, and three cheers from a grateful nation. Top stuff!

David Shield

March 24th, 2009 7:26pm Report this comment

Thank you Mr Hannan this is the message that need to be told to the people every day!!No several times a day until we rid the country of the disaster that is Brown and his so called team!

Wight Tory

March 24th, 2009 7:34pm Report this comment

It needs Cam to do the same, at least it would get air time, I don't think that this will sadly.

Nicholas Hallam

March 24th, 2009 7:36pm Report this comment

So good I watched it twice.

Send to all your friends.

chris

March 24th, 2009 7:38pm Report this comment

Just watched the BBC and Channel 4 news.
Guess what?
Yes. You're right. Nothing

Euphorbia Bean

March 24th, 2009 7:39pm Report this comment

He refrained from saying that Brown is sailing into the sunset.

se1man

March 24th, 2009 7:43pm Report this comment

Hannan for PM.

Or give Cameron a large glass of whatever Hannan is drinking.

Expat

March 24th, 2009 7:47pm Report this comment

Please put up a link that's not youtube. It's banned here,

Tiberius

March 24th, 2009 7:49pm Report this comment

That was sensational.

It was so good that for a while, I thought it was a wind up. No Speaker Martin to interrupt, either.

Max Kaye

March 24th, 2009 7:49pm Report this comment

Hannan is wasted in 'Europe'.

Bring him back and promote him to the shadow cabinet right away.

James

March 24th, 2009 7:58pm Report this comment

Move over Spiderman - there's a new superhero in town.

Patrick

March 24th, 2009 7:59pm Report this comment

Stunning display of target aquisition and then total destruction. Well done Daniel, how I wished I was there to have seen the face of the Saviour of the World. Mind how you go now or the Stasi will do a Damien Green on you.

porkbelly

March 24th, 2009 8:10pm Report this comment

Someone should forward this to Cameron.

hadrian

March 24th, 2009 8:10pm Report this comment

Well, if good, old Dan doesn't get invited to tiffin with Her Maj we have the next best thing as Governor Merv King does- having put the boot into Broon's mad itch to spend even more money we don't have for one of his 'stimulus' packages.
One gets the feeling the G20 is going to turn into a bit of a nightmare for Broon, not a triumph at all.Reality hitting home at domestic level will ensure people realise what a bungling incompetent gasbag he is.

RH

March 24th, 2009 8:11pm Report this comment

That mans too good to be an MEP, bring him back here the Tory front bench need him. Skewers the PM in less than five minutes...brilliant.

Long the UK

March 24th, 2009 8:19pm Report this comment

That's more like it. Solid, hard, quick and artful. Three cheers for the MEP!!!!

Nigel

March 24th, 2009 8:34pm Report this comment

Bet the BBC will not show this....it is absolutely brilliant.Send it to all your friends as the media will bury it

DW

March 24th, 2009 8:40pm Report this comment

Please God that this gets as much play time and interest in every media outlet.
And may it be picked up at PMQ (is it Brown and cameron tomorrow??). This country is crashing...and the PM/exChancellor must be called to account.
Well said D H...keep it up.

JimBob

March 24th, 2009 8:49pm Report this comment

Absolutely outstanding - completely dismantled Brown.

Oscar

March 24th, 2009 9:03pm Report this comment

Hannan was brilliant. C4 News did not (disgracefully) so much as mention his response. But they did show how Brown had next to no audience and focused on one guy nodding off and another removing his headphones. Brown looked like a tired sad old nonentity.

Bluebottle

March 24th, 2009 9:05pm Report this comment

I've just watched Mr Hannan's speech again now it has been posted on a mainstream Spectator blog; a sheer tour de force, perfectly paced and articulated, and brilliantly delivered. It was a lesson in forensic deconstruction of a vastly inflated ego. I don't really care what Cameron has to say as Mr Hannan says it all.

To paraphrase another brilliant orator: "if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was Hannan's finest hour""

Hysteria

March 24th, 2009 9:10pm Report this comment

Wow !!! Just Wow !!!

Will it get any air time outside the blogosphere though?

Amyway - we should all make it our work in the next few days to send this to as many people as possible......

Erm - any chance of Dave posing all this as a "question" tomorrow??

strapworld

March 24th, 2009 9:19pm Report this comment

Peter, surely a tale of THREE speeches, and Farage's was not bad but certainly not in this league:-

Daniel Hannan MEP:
The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government!

Prime Minister, I see you’ve already mastered the essential craft of the European politician: namely the ability to say one thing in this chamber and a very different thing to your home electorate. You’ve spoken here about Free Trade – and amen to that. Who would have guessed, listening to you just now, that you were the author of the phrase ‘British jobs for British workers’ and that you have subsidised, where you have not nationalised outright, swathes of our economy, including the car industry and many of the banks? Perhaps you would have more moral authority in this house if your actions matched your words? Perhaps you would have more legitimacy in the councils of the world if the United Kingdom were not going into this recession in the worst condition of any G20 country?

The truth, Prime Minister, is that you have run out of our money. The country as a whole is now in negative equity. Every British child is born owing around £20,000. Servicing the interest on that debt is going to cost more than educating the child. Now, once again today you try to spread the blame around; you spoke about an international recession, international crisis. Well, it is true that we are all sailing together into the squalls. But not every vessel in the convoy is in the same dilapidated condition. Other ships used the good years to caulk their hulls and clear their rigging; in other words – to pay off debt. But you used the good years to raise borrowing yet further. As a consequence, under your captaincy, our hull is pressed deep into the water line under the accumulated weight of your debt.

We are now running a deficit that touches 10% of GDP, an almost unbelievable figure. More than Pakistan, more than Hungary; countries where the IMF have already been called in.

Now, it’s not that you’re not apologising; like everyone else I have long accepted that you’re pathologically incapable of accepting responsibility for these things. It’s that you’re carrying on, wilfully worsening our situation, wantonly spending what little we have left. Last year - in the last twelve months – a hundred thousand private sector jobs have been lost and yet you created thirty thousand public sector jobs. Prime Minister, you cannot carry on for ever squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecedented engorgement of the unproductive bit. You cannot spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt. And when you repeat, in that wooden and perfunctory way, that our situation is better than others, that we’re ‘well-placed to weather the storm’, I have to tell you that you sound like a Brezhnev-era apparatchik giving the party line. You know, and we know, and you know that we know that it’s nonsense! Everyone knows that Britain is worse off than any other country as we go into these hard times. The IMF has said so; the European Commission has said so; the markets have said so – which is why our currency has devalued by thirty percent. And soon the voters too will get their chance to say so. They can see what the markets have already seen: that you are the devalued Prime Minister of a devalued government.

Bernard from Horsham

March 24th, 2009 9:32pm Report this comment

THe Hannan clip deserves a thread in its own right, not tagged onto the end....

Strider

March 24th, 2009 9:35pm Report this comment

OUCH!!! This guy's good - if you folks in the UK don't get him back for domestic politics this week we'll have him for our opposition in Australia! Oz PM K.Rudd wouldn't stand a chance.

Moraymint

March 24th, 2009 9:36pm Report this comment

Where in the hell are the London Parliamentarians who should be delivering stuff like this, day in, day out? Nowhere to be seen.

It beggars belief that so many Brits still think that Our Supreme Leader is doing a good job and is best placed to lead us into bright sunlit uplands.

The reason is that Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is a pathetic joke by comparison with Hannan's courage, content and style witnessed here.

See you on the streets at the G20. Hannan for King! Bring on the revolution.

Verity

March 24th, 2009 9:37pm Report this comment

I watched it twice and well. And it's just as good the second time. Brown sat there trying to chuckle dismissively, but he looked deranged. And Hannan was strong, articulate and very cool headed. It must have been torture for Brown. It was great!

Alison C

March 24th, 2009 9:47pm Report this comment

He spoke the truth. Wish it had been broadcast wider.

Wilhelm

March 24th, 2009 9:50pm Report this comment

Verity that wasnt a smile, that was a little act.

Broon must be seeeeeething with resentment.

Gawain

March 24th, 2009 10:04pm Report this comment

One of the best speeches I have seen. Measured, well delivered, literate and absolutely lethal. He really spoke for his constituents today, more so than most of the MP's in Parliament.

plmac

March 24th, 2009 10:27pm Report this comment

Not a peep on Mark Mardell's Euro Blog. Quite incredible. It's as if Daniel Hannan's response never happened.

Nothing on SKY news either - they're too busy taking on the Taliban.

biggestaspidistra

March 24th, 2009 10:34pm Report this comment

a star is born

Wilhelm

March 24th, 2009 10:39pm Report this comment

Broons scribbling like a demented psycho.

TGF UKIP

March 24th, 2009 10:49pm Report this comment

From the bottom of the screen, "In this week's issue -David Cameron on why Labour's not losing enough."

The answer Dave is because you're limp, lame, wet blanket you and not Daniel Hannan.

HelpMeRhonda

March 24th, 2009 11:20pm Report this comment

Who is Daniel Hannan, tell me more. Why is this man not leader of the opposition?

plmac

March 24th, 2009 11:26pm Report this comment

698 - the number of the beast!

wrinkled weasel

March 24th, 2009 11:34pm Report this comment

I don't think I am exaggerating to say that this speech eclipses any demolition, any coruscating anatomy of a serving Prime Minister in the last century, Geoffrey Howe, included. It was nothing short of Churchillian.

But it would seem that few of the MSM are covering it. I fear for democracy.

TGF UKIP

March 24th, 2009 11:37pm Report this comment

The most surprising thing here is that some Coffee Housers actually seem surprised that this has not featured on the Brown Broadcasting Corporation or anywhere else in Labour's broadcasting media.

Be nice to think this could get the same sort of circulation as Guido's clip of the snot-gobbler picking his nose etc.

Michael Booth

March 24th, 2009 11:39pm Report this comment

Well said Daniel Hannan
and shame on the Opposition at Westminster for continuously pulling their punches. Someone with balls and a lethal delivery to boot!

Annabel Herriott

March 24th, 2009 11:42pm Report this comment

Totally brilliant take apart job! That smirk on McBroon's face is akin to a small child with the stolen choccy bar behind his back, trying to convince his mum he hasn't really got it! Sort of queasy, sheepish, guilty grin. Circa age four!!!!

Verity

March 24th, 2009 11:44pm Report this comment

Gawain says the speech was: "Measured, well delivered, literate and absolutely lethal."

You are right to make those points individually, because working together, they were so powerful that it would have been absolutely impossible for Brown to make any response at all without looking like a used tea bag.

This is a brilliant person. And fearless, too. He wasn't nervous. Cold, articulate and condemning. As you say, lethal. This is how a leader speaks.

Verity

March 25th, 2009 12:22am Report this comment

TGI UKIP - seconded.

It is utterly inconceivable that Cameron would make such a speech. Inconceivable, for all the reasons I don't have to cite.

Oh, OK, I will anyway. Hannan is focussed. He's daring. He judged the strength, and effect, of every word he uttered and did not fear to utter them.

His delivery was perfect. His calm demeanour was heroic.

Andy

March 25th, 2009 12:28am Report this comment

Arise, Sir Daniel! Brilliant! I kept expecting somebody to shut him up, but this was Europe, not Gorbals Mick's domain.

A Doo Ron Ron Ron, A Doo Ron Ron

March 25th, 2009 12:38am Report this comment

Help Me Rhonda - That he is not now heading in that direction is inconceivable.

L McKay

March 25th, 2009 12:57am Report this comment

Fantastic! I cant stop watching this again again. Brown giggles and pretends to be pre-occupied with his writing, while he has to endure one of the most accurate, concise and devastating oratory attacks to date.

No sight of this on the mainstream media. God bless the Internet!

Hysteria

March 25th, 2009 1:30am Report this comment

just checked out Times online, Torygraph, Sky.com, BBC on line - nothing, nada, zilch. This in iteslf is a story!

Let's hope some MPs pick up on this tomorrow

Kevin T

March 25th, 2009 1:31am Report this comment

I do hope all the Tory leadership see that clip and read the comments it's inspired on every talkback I've seen. This is what the country wants from you, not telling us how nice and fluffy you are. Please let them learn from this.

Thomas Cussans

March 25th, 2009 6:02am Report this comment

Message to Cameron:

Note how this brilliantly accurate dismantlement of Brown resonates, echoes and reverberates with all those commenting here. And the reason, simply, is that not only is it magnificently delivered, it is TRUE.

A performance this good – correction: this magnificent – deserves a far wider audience.

Anaonymas African

March 25th, 2009 7:22am Report this comment

A future Prime Minister skewering the soon to be past Prime Minister!

Peter

March 25th, 2009 7:25am Report this comment

It is a matter of some concern to me that, no matter how much 'they' might not agree with what is said, the majority of the MSM has seen fit, so far, to not cover something that has captured the public's imagination. I seem to recall such as the BBC, when caught out in the past, usually sniff that such things are 'not newsworthy'. Can't wait for Newswatch. What's the betting it will be an in-depth defence of the Jade coverage.

Dame Hermione Grope-Worthy (Miss)

March 25th, 2009 7:39am Report this comment

Mr Hannan is superb.

Alexis

March 25th, 2009 7:40am Report this comment

Verity / Dolly

Give it a break please ... it got tiresome months ago

Here's a suggestion ... perhaps you could say something different?

Diswiss

March 25th, 2009 7:48am Report this comment

This should be an instant
Party Political Broadcast for
the Conservatives, and shown
on every screen in the country.

Paul B

March 25th, 2009 8:00am Report this comment

Excellent. Brown really would not have enjoyed that.Loved the part about it ill cost more interest than it cost to put your child through school. As someone has suggested on Guido, this really needs to go viral. Email it to everyone one in your address book.

Ken

March 25th, 2009 9:03am Report this comment

First class performance.
Surely its time HMS Destroyer Hannan stormed to the rescue of his party?
Let the lacklustre official opposition kill off its non-performing junior Bliars and resurrect as a true, hard, forensic opposition party under DHannan.
Then pray the Scottish monster wins the next election so that he and his fellow travellers self-cremate in the financial firestorm they have ignited.
It will take years to rebuild the UK under DH and decades otherwise.

THX1138

March 25th, 2009 9:33am Report this comment

It was an okay partisan speech but he over played the shipping metaphor, something wrong when he has to go back and explain his own analogy and as for debt as Fraser said it's going to continue to continue to rise under the Tories.

I thought that the Oliver James plague on both their houses rant on the Newsnight debate was much more powerful.

TrevorsDen

March 25th, 2009 10:03am Report this comment

Yea THX any plague on both houses would suit you.

When will you wake up and realise you are barking up the wrong tree.

But your mate Nigel had a go as well.

Its easy - and meaningless - in the EU parliament.
Cameron called Brown a phoney - does anybody disagree - but in our parliament he had to withdraw. THATS why dear coffeehousers you do not hear similar in our Parliament.

Maybe Brown thought similar rules applied there as well. It does not say much for his forward thinking that he stayed for these responses. One wonders what the responses were from other non-UK MEPs?

The effect on this thread though is remarkable ... 50+ comments when you normally get half a dozen.
In these cash strapped times it seems a sure fire seller would be a Gordon Brown dart board.

THX1138

March 25th, 2009 10:22am Report this comment

TrevorsDen I'm not TGF UKIP I think you have the wrong guy my friend.

cityboozer

March 25th, 2009 10:31am Report this comment

Are the various nutters above seriously suggesting that "Tory MEP is rude to Gordon Brown" should be headline news?

It's entertaining but hardly Churchillian.

The suggestion that somehow it should be adopted as a new sort of national anthem by the domestic opposition completely ignores that fact that Westminster works very differently constitutionally and tonally.

Tiberius

March 25th, 2009 10:49am Report this comment

Just a word on the Simplistics.

There is something of a difference between leading a political party that could govern, and being able to deliver an unbridled masterpiece of oratory. Even William Hague couldn't skewer Blair like that.

Mark

March 25th, 2009 10:54am Report this comment

Up there with Amery's demolition of Chamberlain (another ex-chancellor who became prime minister without an election).

Ivy Eileen

March 25th, 2009 11:04am Report this comment

Clear, concise, measured and utterly destructive. Brilliant - "pathologically incapable " .... Speaker Martin would have imploded.

He was equally good when, with Andrew Neil in Brussels at PMQs last week, they both disagreed with "Toenails" Robinson in the London studio over the reaction to "phoney".

wrinkled weasel

March 25th, 2009 11:20am Report this comment

Brown is Malvolio.

No, madam, he does nothing but smile: your ladyship were
best to have some guard about you if he come;
For, sure, the man is tainted in his wits.

Hereford

March 25th, 2009 11:31am Report this comment

I have written to the Conservatives and asked that someone come onto this site, review the video and the comments made here. Here's hoping that they do and someone there pushes this speech out into the ether as hard as possible.

In the meantime I am sending it to everyone I know.

Sam Armstrong

March 25th, 2009 11:46am Report this comment

Next PM surely. Not since Thatcher have I heard a politician that made me proud to be British.

Peter

March 25th, 2009 11:46am Report this comment

It is a matter of some concern to me that, no matter how much 'they' might not agree with what is said, the majority of the MSM has seen fit, so far, to not cover something that has captured the public's imagination. I seem to recall such as the BBC, when caught out in the past, usually sniff that such things are 'not newsworthy'. Can't wait for Newswatch. What's the betting it will be an in-depth defence of the Jade coverage.

Jim

March 25th, 2009 12:00pm Report this comment

This was so moving I almost wept.

David Ossitt

March 25th, 2009 12:08pm Report this comment

THX1138.
It was an okay partisan speech.

For god's sake THX; will you please stop it, it was superb, it was long over-due, it was a breath of fresh air.

It gladdened the heart; to see the shock and the pain, on the face of this devalued horrible PM.

David Ossitt

March 25th, 2009 12:10pm Report this comment

Expat.

Where do you live?

Read Strapworld above at 9.19.

Hysteria

March 25th, 2009 1:01pm Report this comment

@ Cityboozer "Tory MEP is rude to Gordon Brown"

No mate - being rude is calling him a one eyed scottish moron - playground stuff.

Hannan's work was simply of a different order - measured, controlled, passionate, forensic.

Not rude at all......

THX1138

March 25th, 2009 1:12pm Report this comment

David O agreed it was good fun but what are the Tories going to do to fix the economy? We deserve to hear more than just putting the boot in that's the easy part anyone can do that, policy that's the hard part.

Can I suggest that all Coffee Housers' read Danny Finklestien in Today's Times to see just how out of touch you are with mainstream Tory thinking. I too want to see a Tory Government elected, just the Party of Dave & Gove et all not your primevile backwoods unelectable Conservative party.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/daniel_finkelstein/article5970436.ece

Will J

March 25th, 2009 1:16pm Report this comment

Glad to see it as Editor's Choice on the Telegraph website

Verity

March 25th, 2009 1:31pm Report this comment

Alexis and Numberplate - Stay still for a second while I get the flea and tick spray. There is no way third rate minds such as thos possessed by your good selves can think up anything damaging about that brilliant speech.

I think someone on this thread downloaded the link for those who can't get it.

I don't understand the MSM not covering it. By which I mean, it's too big for them to whistle tunelessy looking the other way. It's gone round the internet like a bush fire.

biggestaspidistra

March 25th, 2009 2:11pm Report this comment

and now on Drudge

http://www.drudgereport.com/

David Ossitt

March 25th, 2009 2:35pm Report this comment

THX1138.

"I too want to see a Tory Government elected, just the Party of Dave & Gove et all not your primevile backwoods unelectable Conservative party".

You can not have just Dave and Gove etc; lovely people though they are, ours is a very big pool of opinions.

We come with the package; without those of us who espouse corporal punishment, capital punishment, small government and who would be ecstatic if we were to get out of Europe.

Then the Dave; Gove people might just as well be New Labour; and we would not want that would we?

Be very brave; there is nothing to fear as a recent convert, you might even begin to hold true conservative opinions in the fulness of time.

As to fixing the economy; stop worrying, look to our history,
labour cock it up; then we put it right, have faith.

And as one of your heroes; the wonderful Matthew Parris keeps on telling us,

"what we are seeing now is not the failure of capitalism but rather the opposite, this is but a blip albeit a very big one".

Verity

March 25th, 2009 2:38pm Report this comment

Simon Heffer has his strongest piece on Cameron yet in The Telegraph today. Read his artice, if you haven't already, because he articulates in one coherent piece what many of us here have been saying piecemeal for the past year.

The gist is, Cameron is all over the place, his policies incoherent.

Pau; B

March 25th, 2009 3:25pm Report this comment

For those who enjoy gratutious violence, here is the link to Farage sticking the boot in as well.
http://tinyurl.com/ctde99

THX1138

March 25th, 2009 3:58pm Report this comment

David O

"We come with the package; without those of us who espouse corporal punishment, capital punishment, small government and who would be ecstatic if we were to get out of Europe."

You used to my friend, not anymore.

You make my point for me you and so do most of the other commenters on this blog , you simply aren't in tune with the new leadership of the Conservative party- I am!

Most of you represent a right wing fringe that the leadership doesn't want to know- Frankly your an embarrassment! The liberal tolerant, metropolitan elite centre ground, my side we won the battle for the heart of the party.

I can move from voting for TB to Dave effortlessly, hardly breaking an ideological step and I will cheer Dave all the way to No 10 and you lot will be out of power forever thank goodness.

As for why the MSM haven't picked up on it, is obvious it's a dog bite's man story. Tory slags off Brown, amazing whatever next.

THX1138

March 25th, 2009 4:00pm Report this comment

David O - Of course I agree with Matthew Parris, after all I'm a New Tory.

Verity

March 25th, 2009 4:03pm Report this comment

Paul B - Thanks. Farage was pretty damn' good himself! Very effective performance, and Brown grinning away like a demented person who is kept in the attic.

David Ossitt

March 25th, 2009 5:46pm Report this comment

THX1138.

Three things.

First your:-

I can move from voting for TB to Dave effortlessly, hardly breaking an ideological step and I will cheer Dave all the way to No 10.

Ofcourse you can; because you like Blair and probably Cameron are not idealists, Blair was a pragmatist he would do anything to achieve his goals.

He took the labour party into power without having any belief whatsoever in The Labour Party or any of it's principles.

I can understand why he did it bit to me it was dishonest.

Second.

"Frankly your an embarrassment!

The liberal tolerant, metropolitan elite centre ground, my side we won the battle for the heart of the party.

Why should you be embarrassed or think any the less of me; for holding the opinion that any grown man who can torture a child in his care and eventually kill that child by breaking his back; is not fit to live.

You say your side won the battle; you are being just a little disingenuous, it was not your side when it won but in winning it did bring you and others over and that is a very good thing.

Third.

You used to my friend, not anymore.

This saddens me; you will end up very lonely if you are friends only with those who agree with you in every particular.

For my part; I will read your comments with great pleasure and still consider you a friend.

THX1138

March 25th, 2009 6:50pm Report this comment

David O You misunderstand me, my fault I'm sure. It was not meant as as personal attack and I'm really sorry if you saw it that way. I meant people with your views used to be more in the mainstream of the party, not anymore.. I always enjoy your posts my friend and will come back with a more detailed response to points later, right now I'm rushing this out while I cook dinner.

David Ossitt

March 25th, 2009 7:59pm Report this comment

THX1138

Thank you.

I think it is a bit of an age thing; many of my younger Tory friends and acquaintances, hold similar ideas to yours.

Almost all those above the age of fifty think a bit like me.

I hope Mrs THX enjoyed her dinner.

Andrew Hannay

March 26th, 2009 12:24pm Report this comment

I'm not a strong supporter of any party, but I’m not really impressed with someone blaming someone else for something that’s gone wrong, if he has a better idea then why doesn’t he share it and help the Prime Minister help the country, or is this just another “us lot are better than you lot – but you won’t find out until you vote us in – and then we will blame everything that goes wrong on the previous government”
Come on chaps let’s work together and make Britain Great again.

David Ossitt

March 26th, 2009 5:09pm Report this comment

Andrew Hannay.

Bless you,

'why doesn’t he share it and help the Prime Minister help the country'

Andrew it is quite simple; you can not share ideas or anything else with this PM it is not in his genes.

He actually; in his heart of hearts does not want things to improve, he might be stupid but he knows that his time is nigh and he will slash and burn so as to leave the Tory's with the biggest pile of defecation that he can.

But worry not; the consevatives will make Britain Great again; because, you see it is in their DNA.

Rhoda Klapp

March 26th, 2009 5:55pm Report this comment

Hannan has a suggestion. Stop spending money you don't have. That is in the speech. If you are warning someone about to step under a bus, you don't have to give him a map with an alternative route.

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      GASCONY

GASCONY, SW France, near Condom-en-Armagnac 13th Century stone house, 21st Century luxury for 12 in 5 en-suites. 50 acres +

BIG SAND STEEL BAND

IF YOU ARE PLANNING A CHAMPAGNE RECEPTION and looking for some light entertainment, you can now hire London's busiest steel

BOSC LEBAT, Tarn et Garonne.

BOSC LEBAT, SW France. Only 45 minutes from Toulouse Airport with daily flights from most provincial airports avoiding the horrors