Budget statement live blog
Peter Hoskin 12:32pm1232, PH: Darling's started. Stripey tie and gloomy face...
1233, JGF: Darling looks nervous and uncomfortable. His tone is sombre.
1235, PH: Darling expects the economy to start growing "by the end of this year".
1236, PH: Darling's giving the global spiel, letting us know how much exports have fallen in Germany and Japan...
1237, PH: He claims that the £20 billion of "help" announced in the PBR is "coming through now". The Tories' "Labour isn't working" attack denies that.
1238, PH: Now Darling's taking credit for the "independent" Bank of England's interest rate cuts - "cheaper mortgages and loans".
1239, PH: On the G20 summit: "We agreed to take whatever action is necessary..." Most annoying soundbite of the year?
1240, JGF: Expect Darling to regularly cherry-pick numbers to suggest that other developed economies are worse off than we are.
1240, FN: "In all these decisions, we have been guided by our core values" - yes, this - alas - has been the problem.
"Our exports down 14%, Germany 21% and Japan by 45%" - yes, thank God for a weak pound.
1241, JGF: Darling’s delivery style is slow and clear quite unlike Brown’s machine gun-style approach
1242, JGF: Here come a string of Brownies about the country’s position going into the recession
1242, FN: ."Accelerated capital projects projecting thousands of jobs in this country." - Really? How many? Has HMT quantified this at all?
"Expected to protect 500,000 jobs" - first time we have seen this figure, and I suspect it is concocted. Look forward to seeing methodology behind it.
G20 "agree to take whatever action was necessary - in total we agreed over $1 trillion of additional support for the word economy". A lie, not a dime of new money was agreed that day.
4.5m families with tracker mortages" - yes lucky them. But no luck for those caught on state-owned Northern Rock's variable rate, who are being squeezed to help NR repay its debt to the government. While NR is screwing the poor, Darling has no right to go on about mortgages.
1243, PH: Darling forecasts the economy will shrink by 3.5 percent this year.
1244, PH: And he expects of 1.25 percent in 2010; then 3.5 percent each year from 2011. There'll be "more sources" of growth, apparently - green technology etc. Plenty of jeers from the other benches. His forecasts do seem on the optimistic side.
1246, JGF: I think ‘all over the world’ is going to be the phrase used most frequently in this Budget statement.
1247, PH: Darling's onto employment now, talking about "moral need". He says that any young person unemployed for more than 12 months will be put in training. There'll be more money for benefits as well - wonder where that's coming from.
1249, PH: £260 million for new skills training. Funding too for new places in sixth form colleges and further education.
1251, JGF: I think Darling might just have covered up Balls’ blunder on sixth form places, more on that later.
1251, PH: The stamp duty holiday will be extended to the end of this year - that's a few months extra.
1252, PH: Various schemes for businesses, including the extension of a scheme by which loss-making comapnies can reclaim taxes.
1253, PH: Oh dear. Darling's sounding like Brown now: "We could have decided to do nothing..."
1255, JGF: There will be a scrappage scheme until March 2010. Good to see we can afford to subsidise the French and German car industries—not!
1257: Darling's wading through the public finances now.
1257: There's the big one: borrowing will be £175bn this year; £173 next year; falling to £119bn in around four years. Darling thinks the budget deficit will halve in that time.
1258, JGF: You know the numbers are going to be bad when Darling feels obliged to list the US’s huge deficits before mentioning the borrowing figures.
1259, PH: Darling's central argument seems to be that without borrowing/spending now, then the recession will last longer and we'll have bigger deficits. This is Labour's riposte to the Tories' "Gordon Brown's Debt" poster.
1259, PH: Darling's central argument seems to be that without borrowing/spending now, then the recession will last longer and we'll have bigger deficits. This is Labour's riposte to the Tory "Gordon Brown's Debt" poster.
1300, JGF: National debt 79 percent of GDP in 2013/14—enough to make you swallow hard.
1301, PGH: The debt figures are eyewateringly large, but are most likely underestimates. Future taxpayers should look on and tremble.
1301, JGF: Here comes the section on clawing back the pension tax relief of the rich
1302, JGF: 45p to 50p for those over £150,000, a crude attempt to create a Tory split. Everyone knows a 50p rate will produce less revenue than a 40p rate.
1303, JGF: If you want booze or cigarettes head to the shops this afternoon and stock up.
1304, PH: Here's the bit on fiscal tightening. Efficiency savings, as expected. Doesn't meet the scale of the problem.
1305, Md'A: 50p on high earners……13 years after Blair over-ruled Brown’s proposal to introduce this very measure it becomes Government policy. What will Osborne do?
1307, FN: Time to book a removal van before they all get take up by the wealthy fleeing London. Where will they go? anywhere apart from the following countries with higher rate of tax than 50% - Denmark (59%) Netherlands (52%) Sweden (55%). That's right: Britain will have the joint third highest top rate of tax on the planet.
1309, PH: There's not a huge amount we didn't (more or less) know about already. Darling's now cycling through the money he'll give to stalled house building.
1312, PH: A new £750m fund for emerging techonology. This is Labour's "We are the future" routine.
1313, JGF: The Tories should dismiss 50p as an attempt to distract attention from the horrible borrowing and debt numbers: step round the elephant trap, don’t walk into it. If the Tories can hold the line, the IFS briefing tomorrow—which all us hacks treat as Holy writ—should come to their rescue by highlighting that the 50p rate will raise less money than a 45p or even a 40p rate.
1315, PH: Darling says that "coal, oil and gas" will continue to be major sources of energy in the future, and announces "new funding" for carbon capture technology.
1317, PH: Here's the "surprise" on child poverty. The child tax credit will be raised; statutory redundancy pay will be increased; more money for grandparents. No claim that the government will meet it's child poverty target, though. I wonder whether these new measures fall short of the £4.2 billion that is required.
1319, JGF: If Darling really means what he said—that from 2011 the UK trend growth rate will be 3.5 percent—it means that all the other borrowing and deficit numbers in this Budget are wrong, even worse than these historically unprecedented levels
1321, PH: Darling rattles through some help for "savers and old people" - increased ISA limits, tax relief on pensions - before sitting down without fanfare or aplomb. The Labour benches seem quite muted.
1324, PH: Cameron's responding to Darling. "As of today, any claim they have ever made to economic credibility is dead, over finished." Stresses that the Government will double national debt - "Labour's decade of debt".
1325, PH: Good attempt by Cameron to undermine Brown's posturing on child poverty: "With debt like this, British children will be in poverty for years."
1327, JGF: ‘A whole chapter in red ink’, not a bad sound-bite. Cameron is off to an aggressive start.
1328, JGF: will he say anything on 50P?
1328, PH: Great stuff from Cameron on spending, pointing out the absurdity of Labour attacking "Tory cuts" when Labour are now intriducing "cuts" or their own. The fiscal tightening isn't enough, though, he continues. "No one will ever believe anything that Labour say on public spending again". He's trying to demolish Brown's favourite dividing line.
1329, JGF: The Tories have already got stuck into the red book and are highlighting the dodgy projections, impressive work from the Tory economic team.
1330, JGF: Good to see Cameron attacking the rise in beer duty. This is a tax that governments are normally confident they can raise without paying a political price.
1331, PH: This is really effective stuff from Cameron, reminscent of Osborne's reponse to the PBR last year. Now he's onto the lack of a fiscal stimulus - "There is none. You couldn't introduce a proper fiscal stimulus as there's no more money. But yet you swan around the world telling other countries..."
1332, PH: Cameron: "I would love to read out a list of countries that the IMF says will have a bigger deficit than us next year. I can't."
1334, PH: Cameron's seems to have the right reponse to the 50p tax rate, referring to it as a "political tax rise" which doesn't deal with the crisis in our public finances. That's the bluntness that's needed.
1336, JGF: Cameron is making hay with a Labour minister saying going to the IMF should be de-stigmatised and treated like a spa treatment.
1336, PH: Cameron signs off in fiery style: "Why should we have another 14 months of this Government of the Living Dead."



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GJTory
April 22nd, 2009 12:46pm Report this commentI just heard Darling say he has 'adjusted the trend rate of growth of the economy'. Says it all really.
Not only that - the growth rate he has chosen for the next few years of 3.5% is absolutely ludicrous. How can this be regarded as sound financial management.
Silent Hunter
April 22nd, 2009 12:55pm Report this commentWelcome to the Labour Budget 2009, entitled .....
"SPIN & LIES"
I hope that we get some detailed analysis from the dead tree press over the figures and not the powder puff approach we had to endure about the LOL "success (NOT) of the G20"
mark
April 22nd, 2009 12:59pm Report this commentThis cerrtainly ends the debate about joining the Euro - looking at least 5-6years before the annual fiscal deficit moves below the Maastricht threshold, and probably a decade or more before the total debt to GDP ratio comes below 60% (particularly as the EU won't accept the dodgy accounting of PFI and consolidate those liabilities.)
The UK is very much the sick man of Europe again and likely to stay that way for some time.
Not signing up to the small Government model the rest of the EU evolved to over the past decade one of the worst mistakes the UK has made.
TrevorsDen
April 22nd, 2009 1:10pm Report this commentDarling is Browns poodle.
nothing here to show that they ae interested in sorting out the debt.
Just flim flam and cover up.
Admit it Coffee House hacks - Darling is simply not up to it.
This is just whistling in the dark. This is a tax and borrow budget. Even now at 1.08 he is spending spending spending.
You would never guess that commentators are saying he has no room for manoeuvre. He is spending like a lunatic. Yet he claims to be able to reduce the debt ... fantasy.
Donna
April 22nd, 2009 1:13pm Report this commentThis budget is as much pure fantasy as Russia's recent budget, which was based on oil revenues at $95 a barrel.
I'd can't even be bothered to *act* shocked, it's just more of the same from this government: blind leading the blind. Aimlessly.
mark
April 22nd, 2009 1:13pm Report this commentAt least you get something for your money in Sweden!
TrevorsDen
April 22nd, 2009 1:22pm Report this commentListening to Darling you would never believe that we are in the middle of a massive debt crisis - its totally unbelievable that they are serious about reducing debt.
His figures are a flight of fancy. This is a pre election budget. He would be cruelly exposed if he is forced to deliver a budget before a June2010 election
biggestaspidistra
April 22nd, 2009 1:37pm Report this commentJust when you wonder if there is an opposition David Cameron stands up and does an excellent job.
Ken
April 22nd, 2009 1:45pm Report this commentActing Chief Financial Officer of US's Freddie Mac just committed suicide (-FT Alphaville). Perhaps a indication of a global crisis about to get much worse?
Tom Pride
April 22nd, 2009 1:45pm Report this commentBudget comments
1. “Inflation has come down – so peoples’ income will go further” . Err no, not if inflation remains positive which the CPI at 2.9% is.
2. “Science spend has grown 88% in ten years”. That is 6.5% compound – not so impressive.
3. One billion in tax anti tax avoidance measures. No explanation provided . Dig here for horrors for end to reliefs now classified as avoidance.
4. Healey style soak the rich measures:
45% rate did not last long! Now 50% for +£150k a year earlier starting Apr 2010. A broken manifesto promise.
April 2010 withdrawal of personal allowances for incomes over £100k – look closely here – 40% of £6,475 = £2,590 extra tax; at 50% £3,238.
From April 2011 pension relief to be tapered to 20% for over £150k incomes – look closely here.
5. Alcohol +2% , not expressed per pint, glass or measure – check this !
6. Did not hear anything on personal allowances or 10% tax rate reliefs.
7. Fiscal deficits and borrowings too horrific to contemplate and based on optimistic growth of 3 1/2% in 2011 and trend of 2 3/4% thereafter.
TrevorsDen
April 22nd, 2009 1:52pm Report this commentThe govt have to sell 220 billion of debt and a city broker on BBC is saying if you look at the small print its possibly 260 billion.
This is a Walt Disney budget coming from Fantasia delivered by Mickey Mouse supported by a load of dwarves to save the skin of a long nosed Pinnochio.
Ruth
April 22nd, 2009 1:54pm Report this commentA really excellent response from Cameron - he looked and sounded angry, and I found myself cheering him on. At least someone in Parliament is saying what I think...
The Bellman
April 22nd, 2009 1:57pm Report this commentMcSnotty did his customary gurning and fake chatting as Cameron started. No wonder we're so desperately, comprehensively shafted if he responds like that to all news he doesn't want to hear.
And was it just me, or was Harman suppressing (pretty unsuccessfully) a smirk during the 50% tax bit?
The Bellman
April 22nd, 2009 2:04pm Report this commentThe little backslap and slack-jawed grin that McSnotty gave Darling as he sat down didn't seem to have any obvious restorative effect on the silver-haired fall guy. At least Darling had the decency and sense to look chastened as Cameron spoke.
C Powell
April 22nd, 2009 2:06pm Report this commentWell, my pension was stuffed by Brown in his first budget and is now stuffed again. God knows what other nasties we'll discover when we read the small print.
It's the 70's all over again: no point working in the UK; no point saving in the UK.
I think Labour's laid a trap for themselves over this 50p tax rate. Given the amount of debt there's absolutely no point the Tories committing themselves to repealing it now. But when, I hope, finances are a bit more under control, then they can get the credit of reducing tax rates, unlike Labour which puts them up.
The Tories can still say that all Labour governments end up with unemployment & taxes higher than when they first came in and with savings, investments and the £ worth less.
Any news on what's happened to those still losing out from the abolition of the 10p tax rate?
Lord Monteagle
April 22nd, 2009 2:21pm Report this commentSo to celebrate St George's Day tomorrow I have to pay 5p more for every pint. Thank you to the scottish PM and Chancellor for that. Would they dare do the same the day before St Patrick's Day?
Nicholas
April 22nd, 2009 2:23pm Report this comment"The Tories can still say that all Labour governments end up with unemployment & taxes higher than when they first came in and with savings, investments and the £ worth less."
Plus, with this government we get the authoritarian, nannying, dour, puritan interference that makes it all so much more miserable than anything that has gone before. Truly we look not just for a change of government but for liberation from a bunch of po-faced communists.
The Bellman
April 22nd, 2009 2:40pm Report this comment@Nicholas: I'm sure you haven't forgotten, but you could add lying, bullying, politicisation of the civil service and contempt for parliament.
john miller
April 22nd, 2009 3:12pm Report this commentThat was it? That was the Labour government's response to the finacial crisis into which they have plunged us?
Could nobody in the government be bothered? Was it just too much effort to try and think of something? Anything?
This is the gin-soaked passenger on the Titanic who, on feeling the dreadful crash signalling the end of his world, weaves back to the bar, hoping that more of what got him into that state will work its magic once again.
Dreadful. Simply dreadful. No wonder Mandy was softening us all up for the visit to the IMF. The sense of Darling throwing in the towel and giving up was palpable.
He looked a beaten man before he delivered it. He may be more sensible than he looks.
JONNY
April 22nd, 2009 3:41pm Report this commentLord Mounteagle (viz above) can probably still afford his pint of real ale in his traditional English local on St George's Day.
But thousands of OAP's - many of them ex-servicemen from WW2,
certainly won't.
So when are we going to send this pair of canting hypocritical puritannical Lowland Scots back to where they belong - North of the Border?
Before they've succeeded in destroying our glorious English pub tradition.
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