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Cameron appeals for patience and signals that taxes will have to rise

James Forsyth 4:58pm

David Cameron’s speech to Spring conference was summed up by the line, ‘In time we will set out the hard choices’. With 14 months to go until the election, the clock is ticking on this pledge.

The speech did contain two important points. First, Cameron talked about what government should do when it was asking people to ‘put up with tax rises and spending cuts.’ He also, unusually, cited his own experience at the Treasury, saying that he had hated putting up taxes but it had been the right thing to do. The implicit message was that there will be tax rises under a Tory government. Second, Cameron is already appealing for patience. He stressed that the benefits of paying down the debt might not be apparent within the lifetime of a Tory government but that children and grandchildren would thank them for doing the right thing for the country. On top of this there were several mentions of the importance of sticking together—the government and the public but implicitly the party too—as these hard choices are made.  

On 50p, Cameron deftly threaded the needle. He derided the move as a ‘pathetic piece of class war posturing and as a ‘distraction burglary.’ But he stopped short of saying he would repeal it.

When Cameron pledged to sack spending Ministers who did ‘less with more’, Philip Hammond, the shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury and the man who’ll police the spending ministers, was the first shadow Cabinet member to applaud and the only one to do so with any real enthusiasm.    

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Oscar

April 26th, 2009 5:28pm Report this comment

And what is Pravda's negative spin on this fine speech? A small capition on their website headed 'Dave the Miser'. Something will have to be done about to turn around the degenerate, biased BBC reporting if British people are to be allowed to hear what their next PM really has to offer the country.

Robert Williams

April 26th, 2009 5:37pm Report this comment

"He also, unusually, cited his own experience at the Treasury"

At last Wednesday's PMQs, little reported because of the following Budget, Brown returned to one of his favorite Brownies stating that Cameron had been "the chief economic adviser to the Chancellor" during the Tories economic failure.

Bad move Brown, Cameron accepted the designation in order to respond thus-
"Perhaps on another occasion we can talk about some of your chief advisers and what they have been up to. It is about time this Prime Minister realised that as well as bringing the country to the brink of financial bankruptcy, he has brought his party to moral bankruptcy."

David E. Jones, Maidenhead, Berks.

April 26th, 2009 5:47pm Report this comment

Prior to 1997, how much fine detail does anyone remember Tony Blair going into before that election? Personally, I can only recall three things: Education, education, education; a whiter than white government and no tax rises at all.
David Cameron doesn’t need to worry about a 14-month clock ticking and having to come up with minutely thought-out detailed policies. He would do much better continuing the broad-brush approach of fleshing out his philosophical ideas of social repair, small government and fiscal responsibility - three big ideas that people will respond to and remember. Unlike Blair, the difference this time is that they will all need to be achieved

George Laird

April 26th, 2009 9:16pm Report this comment

Dear All

‘In time we will set out the hard choices’.

Code for 'we are going to screw the poor into the ground to get back on the side of big business.

"Cameron deftly threaded the needle. He derided the move as a ‘pathetic piece of class war posturing and as a ‘distraction burglary.’ But he stopped short of saying he would repeal it".

Code for; I am so lacking in guts that I am not prepared to say or do anything to show leadership.

"Philip Hammond, the shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury and the man who’ll police the spending ministers, was the first shadow Cabinet member to applaud and the only one to do so with any real enthusiasm".

Code for, 'throw Hammond a fish; he hasn't got any responsibility'.

Rather than Cameron saying this load of crap would it not have been smarter to say that those departments which struggle and fair badly will get extra technical support to boost efficiency and strip out people with non jobs.

It appears to me that the Cameron 'plan' if he has one written on the back of a biodegradable fag packet is to take the easy less time consuming road of cuts and people losing their jobs to balance the books.

No vision for Cameron just standard dross so that his 'Ministers of State' can continue making a few quid on the after din dins circuit.

Tories; they never change do they; their offer to the people of Britain is vote us in, we are New Labour lite and awfully posh.

Finally, spare a thought for poor Barack Obama having to deal with a lightweight like David Cameron.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Heironymous Bosch

April 27th, 2009 12:47am Report this comment

George Laird, so much of what you write is cogent yet from time time you write such utter tosh that I despair. Oh and if you mean 'fare', do say sorather than 'fair'. But students are rarely good at spelling.

TomTom

April 27th, 2009 5:25am Report this comment

""the chief economic adviser to the Chancellor" during economic failure."

Ed Balls is doing for Education what he did for the Economy

Bickers

April 27th, 2009 8:28am Report this comment

So George, your answer is to vote back in the bunch of incompetents that have wrecked our country both economically and morally?

Too many people forget that the unpleasant medicine that Thatcher had force the nation to take wqas to remedy the last mesh that Labour got the country into.

What's unforgivable is that the last Tory government handed over a growing, fiscally sound ecomomy to Nu Labour - they have wrecked it for the following reasons:

1. Blair allowed Brown free rein over the UK economy
2. Brown set up the FSA and didn't ensure it was doing its job properly
3. Brown borrowed huge amounts of money and spent billions more off balance sheet via PFI - he achieved neither value for money or reformed the public institutions - most of the money went to increase salaries and consultants fees with very little improvement in prodcutivity and outcomes for the tax payers who funded this.

Labour don't deserve to be elected again - they've wrecked the country twice now in the last 30 years - when will voters learn

Victor, NW Kent

April 27th, 2009 10:13am Report this comment

Very young people like George Laird see the world in absolutes. Grown people have to make rational choices based on the tools and means available.

George would do better to spend his time on the latest totalitarian initiative to be introduced by Jacqui Smith - to intercept and store his emails and mine.

Matthew Cain

April 27th, 2009 10:29am Report this comment

I thought the section in Cameron's speech where he attacked a random list of high earners in the public sector was disgusting and just the sort of political posturing for which he's previously criticised Labour.

http://blog.matthewcain.co.uk/angry-at-camerons-hypocrisy/

Gavin

April 27th, 2009 10:30am Report this comment

Let's make sure that the cuts go deep enough to minimise the impact of tax rises. The tax rises should be on spending not earning - that promotes choice. And cuts should start with Trident, ID cards, Tax Credits and Child Benefit all of which are complex and/or expensive and unnecessary. And they all reduce the number of civil servants permanently shrinking the state's workforce.

johnny come lately

April 27th, 2009 10:38am Report this comment

One of my favourite Blogs is IRONIES TOO.This is that blogs 'take'

Shame on Britain's Conservative Party!

The Leader of the Conservative Party made a shameful speech to his party yesterday afternoon.

On the afternoon of the morning in which the Sunday Times published an article reporting the EU Commission as stating that "Europe’s fishing industry is on the brink of suicide" and suggested returning much of its powers to the nation states, i.e., - mainly Britain (for the EU common resource of fish was once Britain's), sold out by a parliamentary lie made by Conservative Geoffrey Rippon with Conservative traitor PM Edward Heath sitting at his side for which no apology has ever been given to the British people by the Conservative Party)

This vapid self-marketer made not one single reference to the sterling gobbling EU.

On the Sunday of the week in which the Wednesday before the most dishonest budget ever contemplated was delivered to a Parliament which had presided over the biggest bust in British history, Cameron summoned up all the economic criticism of one whose favourite daily yoghurt had been newly taxed at a rate just over that of inflation.

In the year in which the world economy is in tatters but Britain stands in a worse position than any other developed nation, because of the obscene and deceitful policies of the man now Prime Minister, and which was billed as going to display some fire by Tory Party no-marks, all we got was the kind of pansificated petulance of a sixth form schoolgirl blaming others for the loss of her favourite hockey stick.

Flanked as Cameron was by the thoroughly useless Shadow Cabinet, the elderly audience must have left Cheltenham in despair, with just one small glimmer of hope when Dan Hannan said in thirteen minutes what almost an hours worth of waffle from Cameron could never convey.

Because Cameron simply has not got it AND does not get it AND it is now perfectly clear NEVER WILL GET IT - Britain's people and economy have been jointly destroyed by this Government and the Conservative Party's non-opposition.

Cameron cannot hide from the people just what he will do with the undemocratic, communistic EU!

William

April 27th, 2009 11:32am Report this comment

'Too many people forget that the unpleasant medicine that Thatcher had force the nation to take'

And who actually had to swallow this unpleasant medicine? It certainly wasn't the South-East of England.

When people make blowhard statements about 'tough decisions' and 'swallowing medicine' they usually mean that other people should have to face tough decisions and swallow unpleasant medicine - witness the outbreak of psoriasis at the 50p tax rate.

Such people would prefer that people lost their jobs so we can lighten the tax bill of the rich. Someone has to swallow unpleasant medicine, obviously. It may as well be the people at the bottom.

JONNY

April 27th, 2009 11:49am Report this comment

I know it is Monday and the old brain hasn't quite got into functional overdrive.
But George Laird - when you've had a couple of cups of coffee we all know you can do better than this. I mean resorting to the tiredest of stale old cliches, that effortlessly seeps into the top of your brain. First thing o' ye morn.

'Lightweight Cameron'
Yawn. Yawn. Yawn. You can do better than that George Laird. Now take a jog round the park.

George Laird

April 27th, 2009 5:19pm Report this comment

Dear Bickers

“So George, your answer is to vote back in the bunch of incompetents that have wrecked our country both economically and morally?”

As people know I like to give my own opinion and not being told what it is by others.

New Labour deserves to lose but the Tories don’t deserve to win.

“Too many people forget that the unpleasant medicine that Thatcher had force the nation to take was to remedy the last mesh that Labour got the country into”.

Yes, we all applaud the old dear for turning Britain into a sewer, destroying entire communities and industries.

“What's unforgivable is that the last Tory government handed over a growing, fiscally sound ecomomy to Nu Labour”.

Given that Thatcher wrecked so many industries, the only way from the bottom was up and less we forget the Tories were drowning in sleaze and corruption.

“ - they have wrecked it for the following reasons:
1. Blair allowed Brown free rein over the UK economy
2. Brown set up the FSA and didn't ensure it was doing its job properly
3. Brown borrowed huge amounts of money and spent billions more off balance sheet via PFI - he achieved neither value for money or reformed the public institutions”.

All true, Blair, the Thatcher clone who wasn’t a socialist did tremendous damage then baled out in the nick of time.

“most of the money went to increase salaries and consultants fees with very little improvement in prodcutivity and outcomes for the tax payers who funded this”.

As you may be aware, I comment on what I call corrupt Britain, New Labour stuffed their supporters into key positions institutions on huge salaries replacing those who were previous put there by the Tories.

“Labour don't deserve to be elected again - they've wrecked the country twice now in the last 30 years - when will voters learn”.

I am sure that the Tories once elected will return to their historic campaign to ensure that people from working class backgrounds have the ladder pulled up and get back to repairing the glass ceiling so that inequality and justice is denied the poor. Luckily for them they will be able to hit the ground running with the same personnel put in place by New Labour.

After all there is no difference between New Labour and Tories. Both parties are equally committed to increase the gap between rich and poor, although publicly for the purposes of smoke and mirrors they both claim to support equality.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

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