There is nothing British about the BNP

Rhoda Klapp

But if the main parties are not with the majority of the electorate on immigration and the EU, if they have blown away any reputation they might have had for competence or honesty, if they have messed things up for years, if their promises are now legally not to be adhered to, if they cannot be trusted, the BNP and others will pick up protest votes. I have no problem with sending BNP MEPs to Brussels. They and the EP deserve each other. It will hopefully be a step to getting our democracy back.

If any politician in the 50s to 70s had stood up and said 'we will bring in a lot of immigrants to make up 10% of the population' they would have got no votes. They did it anyway. Likewise the salami-slicing dishonesty of the EU.

THE BNP is on the rise because the other parties have let us down. Smears are not the answer. The major parties will have to regain the trust of the electorate. Good luck with that. I will vote for a party which offers the policies I want, as nearly as I can get.

AFAIK, none of the main parties has really mentioned the E word in the E elections. Why not?

Oswald Wynn Jones

You know the way the Labour Party went completely over the top with their latest party political broadcast and just made themselves look ridiculous? Well that anti-BNP site had the same effect on me. Its a bit hysterical and so long as it can't be trusted to put forward calm rational arguments, rather than emotive claims, I don't feel I can give them my support.
And then there's their anonymity. They're like people at demonstrations who wear scarves over their faces. I prefer to know who I'm marching next to.

Ian Walker

The problem, Jamse, is that the BNP are taking advantage of the vaccuum created by the mainstream party's current stagnation.

I had a Lib Dem representative on my doorstep, who, when asked why they should be voted for, proceeeded to list all the reasons that the incumbent Tories were rubbish. Not a single positive policy.

People have real, if unfounded, fears and the BNP is gaining momentum by promising to address them. The other parties have such a consensus in the middle ground, that they are failing to be attractive to large sections of the population.

Personally, I shall be supporting the Jury Team experiment in the European elections, and I hope that anyone thinking of supporting the BNP as a protest vote could be persuaded to do the same. In these days of personality politics, I want my representatives to be real people, not part of a majority to give a particular Westminster tribe more votes than the other.

Kevyn Bodman

The policy of 'denying the oxygen of publicity' is always out of date,(although it seems that policy is being tried against LPUK).

It's always the right time to do the right thing, and in this case that is to take the BNP on, and this video goes some way to making a start.

But it's only negative.
Give us reasons to vote FOR the party you support.

Ethan

The three main parties are fixating on the BNP to discourage the idea of a protest vote. "You must vote for one of the three main parties because the BNP are unspeakable". I agree that the BNP are unspeakable. But I have never heard a politician express concern that disaffection with politics might cause people to vote for UKIP. Admittedly, Lord Tebbit came close, but he hung on to his party card and stopped short of actually saying "UKIP"

David Miers

Stop the BNP! Stop the BNP! Why? Is it because - God forbid (can I still say that in this PC multi cult prison we now live in?) - they are the voice of the people now? Is it because the rest of the rotten politicians and their media lackeys are seeing the Babylon they've created(oops - non PC again) collapse around their ears; the smug, snug, cosy little careers they've made out of denigrating us and our country, demanding that the rest of us live in the mess they've created whilst scuttling home to their 'hideously white' enclaves? Chickens - roost - home - put that in a sentence and realise we've had ENOUGH!

Ex Labour - now BNP

David Miers

Stop the BNP! Stop the BNP! Why? Is it because - God forbid (can I still say that in this PC multi cult prison we now live in?) - they are the voice of the people now? Is it because the rest of the rotten politicians and their media lackeys are seeing the Babylon they've created(oops - non PC again) collapse around their ears; the smug, snug, cosy little careers they've made out of denigrating us and our country, demanding that the rest of us live in the mess they've created whilst scuttling home to their 'hideously white' enclaves? Chickens - roost - home - put that in a sentence and realise we've had ENOUGH!

Ex Labour - now BNP

Vulture

I do not support the BNP but I do understand their rise. There are two obvious reasons for it which go unmentioned in Tim's piece or this video. I refer, of course, to the Islamification of Britain now proceeding at a pace which may be irreversible. The immigrants most people are worried abt are not footie-playing boys like Ben, but the guys with the funny beards and hats and the suspicious bulges under their robes. The second elephant in the room which Dave has forbidden his cohorts to mention is the refusal of the Tories to talk about - let alone oppose- the not-so-creeping destruction of Britain as an independent state by the sinister and un-democratic European Union. These twin threats represent far more peril for our country and culture than the pathetic BNP but until they are addressed, both them and UKIP will continue to gather support. Those tired old 'Nazi' tags won't wash anymore. Look at the BNP website - they may not be sophisticated intellectuals like you, James, but these are ordinary, decent, patriotic people. They are worrried and scared - and rightly so.

RobTheBassman

By all means check out the site. Then check out the BNP's site, and find out as much as you can about where they stand under your own steam.

I am not a BNP supporter, but I am also not a big fan of negative campaigns that essentially tell people what they should be thinking. Let the BNP hoist itself on its own petard on the basis of its own policies.

Patrick

Erm...I dislike the BNP as much as anyone but your post has some glaring inaccuracies.

This country also had a fascist tradition - under Mosley.

I think the USSR did alot more to defeat fascism the the UK.

Trying to ignore or disallow the BNP only works to their advantage.

The Preston Park Panther

The forbidden question:

When, exactly, did the English working class vote to have its jobs taken and its communities displaced by millions of wage-lowering foreigners?

The BNP may be thugs in (sort of) suits, but they can see the elephant in the room... however often we're told there is no elephant in the room. Their success comes as the direct result of the dishonesty of the mainstream politicians and media.

Roger Thornhill

Humour works best.

Hail Spode!

jim

The definition of fascism, according to Mussolini was, "fascism is the merger of state and corporate power". Therefore Britain had a fascist economy during world war 2 and has one increasingly today, what with the nationalisation of the banks, etc.
So arguing that fascism is not British is a poor strategy, besides I doubt it would resonate with the young.
The main reason for the growth of the BNP is uncontrolled immigration, if we are to be denied a debate about this, then the backlash will continue to grow. It's as simple as that.

Chris

An excellent point well made. There is nothing patriotic about supporting the BNP. Everything about it is a denial of British culture and identity. It's time to stop being polite about it.

Bryan Grainger

Anti-fascism might be more popular if we'd ever derived any benefit from it.

Tiberius

I think David Miers post sums it up.

The rise of the BNP is the consequence of the decline in New Labour, whose soon to be ex-voters won't ever vote Tory.

The full extent of the damage caused to the country by Blair's little baby is not yet able to be calculated.

Lee John Barnes

Ho ho ho,

It appears the Establishment of the Liberal Left and the PC Right are having a fit of the 'BNP vapours'.

Harrys Place, Lancaster UAF, Dizzys Place, The Spectator, The Telegraph, Benedict Brogan and the rest of the Establishment are in a frenzy to post this inane video knocked up by a couple of tory toffs.

Its quite sad really, this lemming like mentality of the Establishment.The Two Party state is not a democracy.

A few days ago the Times revealed that the Labour party and the Tories were working together with Searchlight to stop the BNP.

Proof for all to see that Tweedledee and Tweedledum are simply both bookends on the mantle piece of the corrupt system.

El

@Kevyn Bodman While the group "There's nothing British about the BNP" might be centre right, As I understand it this film is meant to apply equally to those of other political persuasions. As such it would be rather difficult to espouse their virtues without having to go through every other party listing their successes. That might make a rather long and dull film -"The Lib Dems in constituency A ensure regular bin emptying; Labour in B have cut truancy; Conservatives in C have done something else; Plaid Cymru have done something else, SNP blah, each independent did blah blah blah...

@ Everyone else: Personally I think if you want to protest vote you should go for Jury Team - ordinary people chosen in a truly democratic way, but that is just my opinion

David Ossitt

As I life long moderate Tory; who is frustrated by my party's enthusiastic stance on Europe and the dishonesty of labour in not allowing the referendum that they promised in their manifesto.

I downloaded the policies for both UKIP and the BNP.

I was; quite frankly amazed, by how much there was that I agreed with in both.

The only thing that I found to be totally unacceptable in that of the BNP was the following: -

"The introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement for those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question."

This is (even though voluntary) for me is a step too far.

But is it not strange that those who are vilifying the BNP are claiming that the BNP actually intend to force all people of colour including those who are born here to leave our country.

In fact the video link above does just that.

I think that this is dishonest; those who oppose the BNP would do better to attack all of their policies, rather than exaggerating and lying about this one distasteful policy.

Mr Green

I think you are confusing racism with facism James.
We are already in a fascist state. The BNP are pointing out that in order to regain some control of the contry, we need to become more nationalistic - racist.

THX1138

It's going to be a long day !

Wily Trout

I agree with Jim, we have a fascist state now, glazed over with spin.

David

"Why? Is it because - God forbid (can I still say that in this PC multi cult prison we now live in?) - they are the voice of the people now? "

No, it's because they are a bunch of racist thugs, and consist of fools who disgrace any elected assembly they are a part of (one of their councillors resigned after being unable to understand what the word "abstained" meant).

David

"I think that this is dishonest;"

If you think this would be voluntary, you are a fool. I'm sure it will be voluntary in all but name, but when the government (G-d forbid) is telling you constantly that you should really go back "home" it really isn't voluntary.

It's bizarre too, to think that there are people here who would leave if they were told "oh, you can go if you want". "Really? I had no idea I was free to leave the country"

The mind boggles.

David

"AFAIK, none of the main parties has really mentioned the E word in the E elections. Why not?"

Maybe because of this little expenses thing we've got going. You think?

Denis Cooper

I'm not sure what is meant by the opening sentence:

"This country has a proud anti-fascist tradition"

and nor am I sure how it relates to the BNP.

Going through stuff she'd cleared out of her father's house after his death, my wife found a small badge.

She showed it to me, and asked me if I knew what it was, to which I replied "It's a British Union of Fascists badge, look, do you see the Roman fasces?"

Not her father's, in fact, but in amongst various things previously passed on from other family members as they had died.

So one of my wife's relations, in a respectable middle-class family in Lancashire, was not only a member of the BUF, but maybe was also willing to wear a badge to announce to the world that he or she was a fascist.

Which I suppose, under the rules of guilt by association which are always rigorously applied in these cases, must mean that she is also a fascist, and I must be a fascist for marrying her, and our children must also be fascists, and all their friends must be fascists ...

The fact is that quite a lot of patriotic Britons were drawn to the BUF, which according to wikipedia claimed a membership of 50,000 at its height - comparable to the Liberal Democrat membership now, as a proportion of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists

(Interesting that one of their policies was to reduce the size of the House of Commons, to allow for a faster, "less factionalist" democracy ... remind me, which party is now saying that the number of MPs should be cut?)

What finally killed the BUF was the recognition, or very strong suspicion, that they were aligning themselves with the Nazis, the party controlling Germany, at a time when it seemed increasingly likely that we would soon be at war with Germany.

If geopolitical events had taken a different course, and it had seemed that we might soon be at war with the Soviet Union, with Germany as an ally - rather than at war with Germany, with the Soviet Union as an ally - then who knows what might have happened with the BUF?

Not impossible; remember the alliance with Prussia against Napoleon, and the alliance with the French against Russia in the Crimean War, and British interventions against the Bolsheviks; and it's not inconceivable that in an alternative history we could have ended up fighting on the same side as Nazi Germany, against the Soviet Union.

And then, maybe our children would not now be indoctrinated about the horrors perpetrated by Hitler and the Nazis, several times over during their school careers, but would instead be indoctrinated about the horrors perpetrated by Stalin and the Communists, complete with gruesome pictures taken when the gulags were finally liberated by the Allied - ie, Anglo-German - forces.

In that sense, it could be said not that "This country has a proud anti-fascist tradition", but instead that "This country has a proud patriotic tradition", plus "And if necessary we will ally ourselves with utterly detestable people in order to ensure the survival of our country".

Which is why, I suspect, some patriotic people may decide to vote for the BNP on June 4th - because they've come to the conclusion, on very good evidence, that the three main parties are now their enemies, and while the BNP may be detestable they are willing to accept it as a temporary ally in defence of their country.

Jeremy

Well James, I read it and I watched it but I didn't find it to be that impressive. It talks about what we already know - the racism of the BNP. But race is precisely the central (or core) appeal of the BNP to disenchanted white, working class voters. Particularly those who live in areas where there are large immigrant and/or Islamic communities (to whom the Labour government has repeatedly made economic, political, social and legal concessions) and who therefore feel themselves to be ignored (if not actually mocked) by their traditional political representatives, as though they were second-class citizens in what is (nominally, at least) their own country. There's the rub. I read a rather silly article this morning which stated that "there is no queue of heart specialists outside University College London hospital, bemoaning the fact that the Poles have come in and replaced all the best surgeons on the cheap." But that's not the point, is it? It's not the upper middle classes who feel their livelihoods threatened and themselves alienated from their own country and political culture by mass immigration and the consequences of it. Because they don't do the kind of work or live in the kind of areas that are affected by it. It is that great mass of British people at the bottom of the social scale who rub up against the consequences of unfettered immigration every day of their waking and working lives; and it is they who do feel mocked, belittled, ignored, alienated and upset. And it is they who will be voting for the BNP in increasing numbers. Nick Griffin has got a point. The movement which David Miers describes - "ex-Labour now BNP" - is probably typical.

Jez

Nice link.

Page layout should be redder maybe.

Seriously, I would check legality of anything that is sourced from certain sectors of the political spectrum before you put your name to it.

But come on then.

What have you (by that, the liberal centre right or centre left establishment) in place as a counter balance to deal with the core concerns of the disillusioned BNP voter?

Immigration. Lack of investment / the selling off British Industries. EU encroachment.

All of these key points could in theory be (with a moderate, sensible, less extreme ideological drive in regard to the execution of overseeing these things) positive.

What you going to do then? Tell us.

colin

Just wondering if my earlier post broke some rules?

Robard

Britain's proud anti-fascist tradition boils down to having successfully prevented the Germans from invading and taking over. Apart from not subscribing to specifically anti-German discrimination, what is so terribly untraditional about the BNP's xenophobia?

TomTom

No country has done more to defeat fascism than Britain.

Rubbish. Ramsay MacDonald attempted to disarm the country, and it was his disastrous policy that forced Mosley out of the Labour Party when he had better solutions to the Depression than MacDonald or Baldwin.

It was Labour's abject failure interwar that led to the rise of the BUF.

E Drummond

I'm voting Jury Team too. The political classes have betrayed us. Ilike the idea of being represented by someone from the same background as me. They also put sensible policies on the table about transparency and open-ness long before the current scandal broke. They saw it coming and had the answers ready.

mckenzie

Don't vote for the BNP because...thingy. All my mates say that voting for the BNP is not good for the thingy merjigger. So if you don't want a dobery situation with regards to the do dah, then dont vote BNP. Its just simply too thingy. Did I mention racism? Oh and facism, you know, that thingy where you get told what to do and how to vote.

Rhoda Klapp

On a strictly historical note, we didn't go to war with Germany because they were nazis, or racists, but because they kept invading countries and therefore presented a threat. We didn't declare war on Italy (fascist but not particularly racist) or Japan, imperialist, they joined in.
I don't think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that we had any anti-fascist legislation and no anti-nazi rules until the occupation of Germany.

And David notwithstanding, I think we ought to be able to get parties to espouse some kind of european policy at an election for the EP. Like say what their MEPs are going to do there? This is how elections work. A party says what it intends to do if its candidates are elected, and the punters pick the one the agree with best, if they trust them. This has collapsed in the UK. The three main parties are the reason for the collapse, and cannot be relied upon to fix it.

David

The BUF's rise wasn't much to write home about. The vast majority of British people are reasonable and tolerant, and have no truck with racist thugs. The BUF was generally laughed at (Hail Spode!) and run out of the East End of London.

The Laughing Cavalier

Colin, I'm wondering the same as my post about NuLabour being the closest we've come to continental style fascism in this country has not been allowed either.

Colin

"Just wondering if my earlier post broke some rules?"

If not, it seems to have been lost.

Florence Nightingale

Vulture;
I agree with you and it is for the reasons you have stated that I have been considering voting BNP for some considerable time, not just since the recession.
My father and grandfather fought a war to stop the occupation of this country and oppression of its people by a foreign power. Successive Quisling Govts.have allowed some of our major cities and towns to be virtually overrun by foreigners whose only interest in this country is to turn it into an Islamic State.
Imams who call for the death of 'infidels' and Muslim groups who groom young white girls for the sex trade, as seen on Channel4's Undercover Mosques and BBC's Panorama programmes, may do so with impunity but Nick Griffen is twice charged, and exonerated,with incitement to racial hatred for daring to complain about it.
It seems we have a two tier justice system in this country with all the 'rights' being given to the immigrants and that is a very dangerous situation, with a white backlash being almost inevitable.
I am not looking to see a BNP Govt. but I hope they can be elected in sufficient numbers to make the major parties sit up and start listening to their own people for a change.
Before anyone pipes up to remind me that the Muslims are our 'own' people may I remind them that it was Islamic agitator Anjem Choudry who, when asked if his actions could be viewed as treason ,stated that"being born in a stable does not make one a horse"

GeoffH

""Just wondering if my earlier post broke some rules?"

If not, it seems to have been lost."

Ditto

Verity

The problem with Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems is, they have taken the phrase "political masters" too literally, without recognising its irony.

A very large swathe of the British electorate has decided that we, the citizens, are the master, not the politician-parasites.

Tony Jive

BNP say they’re not against deportation, but has anyone read their constitution? (“It is … committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.”)

BNP say their not racist, but how come their constitution says only whites can become members? (“Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.”)

Where does the BNP stand on mixed-race marriages and mixed race kids? Just read their constitution? (“The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples.”)

Thrasymachus

No no. This post and the video are wrong in so many ways, it actually makes me livid. (That's it, I'm starting my own blog.)

One can almost see them now, well-spoken, well-dressed, thinking to themselves around a committee table. "Right, so we've ignored the white working class for 20 years... How can we speak to them in their own language? What is central to their identity?"

"Chlamydia? Heat magazine? No, I've got it... Football!"

"Good. The boy plays football. And who do they revere?"

"Beckham?"

"Excellent. Picture of Beckham. Now tell the narrator to do his best 'Bob Hoskins,' the whole 'apples and pears' bit; that posh one he did for Tescos last week just won't do."

"Right. So in short, what we're looking for is a variation on: vote for us or the cute puppy gets it."

"Exactly."

Proud anti-fascist History? What twaddle. The ancient British fearfulness of extremist politics is not confined to the right wing or any wing. You can pretend it is until you are blue in the face, the BNP will still not go away, because you can’t crush logic.

There’s a word, from which the media scurry away like so many histrionic rats; and that make so many of us inexplicably draw our gums back worryingly over our teeth; almost as if it was this country that had Nuremberg rallies in the 30s – not that it defeated the country that did have them, because they did have them. And yet we feel perfectly capable of using it when we talk about people of Ben’s colour turfing out foreign colonialist interlopers in Africa in the 20th century.

Indigenous.

Why can we use it about every other country except our own? “Oh no...” say the media, and Um and Ah, and say it’s more complicated than that and that we’re all a mongrel people: because 400 Normans turned up a thousand years ago and a few dozen Huguenots did the same a couple of hundred years later.

No, say the BNP, if you live in somewhere like Burnley, being indigenous is a clear as the colour of the nose on your face. And to residents of such places that chimes as loudly as a 12 foot dinner gong. This logic is inescapable. Let the BNP win.

That’s right, I said let them win. Let Mr Griffin disappear to the political wilderness of the EU, never to be heard from again. As Daniel Hannan so rightly points out (with a perspicacity that avoids his own case), Europe is where we send our rejected politicians whose tenor we find disagreeable. Neil Kinnock causing much of a stir these days? Anyone remember Leon Britten? Mandleson anything other than a laughing stock?

Let them win, because they will always lose. Not because of videos like this, which personify that most anti-British quality of preachiness, emotionality, and attempted manipulation of how the people think; but because such anti-British qualities are what Britain now does: its media, its quangoes, its parties, its government departments. Britannia is dead, she died the death of a thousand cuts long before she disappeared from the 50p piece. I know it’s difficult for people on Planet Westminster to get their heads around, but it’s true. Open your eyes.

Or are your eyes open Mr Forsyth? Can you see this video for what it is? The desperate act of mainstream parties desperate not to lose a few of their remaining low-turnout votes. How can you let them get away with it? And to use the “mother of parliaments” line in a week like this, for shame. Let us all have our shoulders behind the correct wheel! The growth of fringe extreme politics is symptomatic of a diseased polity. We must tackle the cause, not be distracted by unimportant symptoms.

Why unimportant? Take Geert Wilders, who in his national movement defines Dutchness as being a cultural and not a racial identity. He can believably claim that in his country it is “five to midnight.” But when Mr Griffin does so, it’s a joke. Because that identity, however you define it, has been eroded by every government from Callaghan on and is now gone. And those small pockets that remain are puddles drying up in the sunshine. It’s a weeping tragedy that it is so, but it is so.

Griffin and his ilk are doomed, because even the most ardent supporter knows in his heart that it is not five to midnight, but half past seven the next morning, we are all hungover and have no choice but to look at each other and wonder how we’re going to live together on this crowded little isle.

(I have to thank the moderator if he prints this in toto – Thanks!)

George Laird

Dear James

“There is nothing British about the BNP”.

Except all of their membership and voters?

I am not a BNP supporter but it is easy to see why the BNP will pick up support in the European Elections, the vacuum left by the main UK Parties, Labour, Conservative and Liberals has given them an opportunity that they don’t rightly deserve in England.

“This country has a proud anti-fascist tradition”.

And a less proud fascist tradition as well James!

“No country has done more to defeat fascism than Britain”.

I would argue that there are better candidates for that honour as some others have above stated.

“So, it would be saddening and shaming if this country, the mother of all parliaments, was to send fascists to sit in the European Parliament”.

I would see that as a double edge sword, if the BNP was shown to be publicly incompetent on the political stage then that would severely damage them but on the other hand part of the establishment’s fear is that they might not turn out to be incompetent.

If that was the case then Britain would have a serious problem, the real fear is that the BNP don’t turn out to be incompetent.

“Indeed, I even hear that Griffin, the leader of the BNP, will head the fascist faction in the parliament if elected”.

If Griffin was smart; he would concentrate on being dull to cement the belief that the BNP are a serious political party.

“The strategy of trying to deal with the BNP by denying them the oxygen of publicity is out of date”.

I would agree with that statement, times gone by the establishment could just ignore them but it is a different time and different tactics must be employed to marginalise them.

“The BNP now has alternative ways to reach voters than through the mainstream media. So, we need to take the BNP on, to make sure that people know that a vote for the BNP isn’t a protest against political sleaze or the establishment but a vote for racism and thuggery”.

I suspect that the line by the BNP would be to highlight how corrupt Britain has become under the main three political parties during the European Election. You may remember James that one of the themes that I highlighted on here is that Britain is a corrupt society. I have been saying this for years because I took the time to see how the various social and political networks interact. The BNP know that they cannot tap into these networks so they have in effect ‘gone to the well’, ground zero the disaffected voter. The BNP look long term and the political parties must adopt a similar approach to stop them spreading their message of discrimination and hate.

“I’d urge all Coffee Housers to visit the campaign site of There’s nothing British about the BNP”.

I had a look, a quick skim through the site and it is poorly thought-out, for example the site highlights the criminal convictions of the BNP members as a major piece. If you go to this site;

http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm

You could happily spend all day reading about Labour corruption; I also found a list regarding Labour Party member activities on.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=996981

I would say that the ‘Nothing British about the BNP’ lacks proper objectivity; it is like the work of a university educated political hack. It is a bit rich highlighting criminality when the entire public believes that substantial numbers of elected MPs have been involved in systematic criminal fraud across the political divide.

The site goes on next to talk about the BNP failing to deliver on policies; we have a major failure of democracy at the moment unfolding each day because people like Michael Martin MP refused to clear up and stop the expenses scandal in its tracks.

The site talks about the BNPs’ economic policies as dangerous, Labour isn’t exactly batting a 1,000 at present; the economy is in deep recession, 2.2 million out of work and climbing. Home repossessions climbing, companies collapsing and the pound in trouble globally.

Finally; until the main political parties address the problem of lack of communication and failure to address concerns people have, the public will turn to people like the BNP. The real issues are not being tackled on jobs, immigration, education, equal opportunity and social justice. There has developed a ‘them and us’ society!

The BNP must not be allowed to fill the void.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

David Miers

Colin, my post of earlier has been lost too. So much for being a country proud of it's 'anti-fascist' history hey?

I guess the fact that I said I am ex Labour and will be voting for the BNP bothered someone, as did my comment about our PC multi cult prison and the fact that those who espouse and push it on the rest of us actually live in lovely leafy white areas ( al la Billy Bragg - Burton Bradstock in Dorset - and Polly Toynbee - Tuscany).

There is something VERY British about the BNP - they love this country and its people, unlike the current communists in power and the pale immitations who think they've got the next election in the bag. A revolution is coming but it aint the one they hoped for!

bert

Well I joined the BNP just over a year ago, and I cannot for the life of me think why any sane person would call them extreme.

A sane person would say that invading foreign countries like Iraq and Afghanistan resulting in thousands of deaths based upon lies ! was an extreme act.

Democracy is not subject to anyone's approval or on their terms only - we either have it or we don't ... even if we sometimes don't like the result.

A sane person would say that handing over your country to a foreign power without even asking the people !namely,, the EU Empire is an extreme act.

A sane person would say that destroying a countries ability to feed itself as extreme.

A sane person would say that destroying a countries industrys and making us reliant on foreign countries as an extremist act.

The total destruction of education, the prison service the police the NHS is an extreme act.

I don't recall the BNP calling for the beheading of people or suicide bombing of people or even calling for anyones death, as a certain group of people have done and get funding from tax payers for it!

only the BNP will stop this insanity !

It may surprise some people that the BNP have members of polish,Italian, hungarian decent, gay, disabled, jewish, and many members have foreign wives/husbands etc.
The BNP have Jewish councillors, a Jewish treasurer.
BNP also have Members of the Armed forces, ex WW2 veterans, ex spitfire pilots, pensioners.
Unemployed, Self employed and professional people !

Adam Walker BNP teacher has a Japanese wife, Richard Barnbrook (BNP GLA member) his partner Simone Clarke (BNP member)are bringing up Simones mixed race young child.

Regarding the usual ‘racist’ accusations – the most seriously injured BNP activist attacked with a claw hammer by anti-BNP protesters turns out to have a Chinese wife;
one of the two BNP officers in Wigan turns out to have been married 24 years to an Asian woman, and has a mixed race child (well, she’s 20 now).

Help immigrants already here to rejoin their families in their countries of origin, or to return with their families to these countries, if they so wish. (conservative manefesto 1966) heath

http://www.conservative-party.net/manifestos/1966/1966-conservative-manifesto.shtml

a Conservative government will follow a policy of strictly limited immigration.

http://www.conservative-party.net/manifestos/1974/Oct/october-1974-conservative-manifesto.shtml

here is full details of the Labour government voluntary repatriation scheme for naturalised British citizens to return to their ancestral homelands ;
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/freedom-of-information/released-information/foi-archive-immigration/5616-voluntary-returns?view=Binary

David Miers

Beg your pardon - just found my earlier post. The listings are back to front from other sites so I was looking in the wrong place!

bert

David Ossitt,
The only thing that I found to be totally unacceptable in that of the BNP was the following: -

"The introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement for those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question."

So the fact that labour also has the same policy doesnt seem to worry you, or the fact that the Conservatives ALSO had the same policy.
The Home Office introduced AVR (Assisted Voluntary Return) programmes in 1999.
here is full details of the Labour government voluntary repatriation scheme for naturalised British citizens to return to their ancestral homelands ;
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/freedom-of-information/released-information/foi-archive-immigration/5616-voluntary-returns?view=Binary

logdon

Remember also that Oswald Moseley was previously a Labour Minister. This 'fascist' term is reaching a ridiculous level of missuse.

The word was coined by Mussolini as referenced fascis or a Roman bundle of sticks and symbolising citizen unity. In other words not so different to communism's commune origins.

It's also interesting that the Islamists have picked up on the word when talking of Israel despite it being a complete reversal of the facts on the ground.

Now it's being mooted that rather than being of the far right the BNP is actually left leaning with nationalistic overtones.

Let's face it, whether left, right or any other nomenclature the BNP will never rule or gain major significance. It looks like UKIP are doing better in the polls so that fallacy is scuppered.

However if they do gain a Euro seat, good! It would be the very wake up call as to who calls the ultimate shots and isn't that what we used to call democracy.

By the way my prev 4 posts are still missing in action.

Ray

Put in place a fair, but firm immigration policy and stop kowtowing to every whim of the EU Commission.

I promise you, such policies would kill the BNP stone dead within two years.

David Miers

So the 'There's Nothing British about the BNP 'exposes' criminals.

Well here's a right bunch - enjoy!

http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/

David Ossitt

Thrasymachus.

A very interesting post.

David Ossitt

George Laird.

"The BNP must not be allowed to fill the void".

George how do you propose we stop them?

Alf Tupper

The video looks like it was put together by one of Alan Sugar's less successful groups of apprentices.

Every chance it will work though.

George Laird

Dear Bert @ 3.44 pm

I took part of your text which I recognised from before;

"Adam Walker BNP teacher has a Japanese wife, Richard Barnbrook (BNP GLA member) his partner Simone Clarke (BNP member)are bringing up Simones mixed race young child".

I googled it and it comes up as stock text which you/BNP put up on several websites.

I would suggest to you that you credit members of this forum with some intelligence when posting.

I remembered this from your post of the 2nd April 2009 on the Scotsman site.

Closer to home (Spectator) on Alex Massie's blog, Sylvia at 10.43 pm posted the same text word for word.

Your Party seems to be lacking in imagination and talent, although you are able to tap into the general unease caused by corrupt MPs' it will be short lived.

What your party stands for is by its very nature alien to the British sense of social justice and equality and will not preveil.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

rhory Fraser

What's 'British' exactly about the Red Flag-singing, internationalist Labour Party, the no borders Liberal Party or the International Big Business Tory Party.

The hysteria about a party that actually dares to break the consensus on race/identity/culture is really quite extraordinary - the death throes of a rotten political class.

After a lifetime of voting Tory, I will be voting for the BNP

Simon

More crap from the bedwetting self loathing left wing Tories.

TGF UKIP

Dear, oh dear, oh dear, James, I fear you really are in trouble now with the other villagers. You completely forgot to put "loathsome" or some other analagous adjective in front of BNP and that really isn't good enough for the liberal metropolitan chattering classes.

When none of the mainstream British parties wish to speak to or for mainstream, provincial white Britain, it really is small wonder that ordinary Brits migrate in large number to parties which directly say to them "we want to speak to you and for you" instead of "we want to patronize you and educate you to be more like us."

The dreadful pity is that after this period of bossy, prissy, priggish New Labour it should be the Conservative Party that the people of provincial Britain were turning to.

Unfortunately, however, the seizure of the party by this bunch of London based ultra politically correct and liberal entryists in 2005 put paid to that.

PS I'm please to note that in none of the foregoing posts (at least up till 5.49 pm) did any Coffee Houser put the BNP and UKIP together in the same sentence.

I would again emphasize by visiting both parties websites you will see that while the BNP is a nationalist left wing party UKIP is very much a conservative party of the Right - the only such party currently in the UK.

hadrian

James, I wholeheartedly and unreservedly support everything you have said and I'm delighted to see this new project from the 'centre right' to oppose these slippery and vile national SOCIALISTS. We want none of this messianic State tripe in our beloved land.
That people feel compelled to turn to this 'hard man' type politics, so alien to our British liberties, is perhaps a shameful indictment of the mainstream parties that they have not had the guts to tackle very unpopular issues such as mass immigration, leniency on crime etc. However, since when did those who idolise the likes of Hitler ever show they cared about our rich heritage of freeborn civil liberties?
Well, done, James, for saying it like it is!

Wilhelm

Why is it James that that the chattering classes are always, always squeeeeeeling about the '' dangers '' of the BNP ? the way the liberal media witters on you would think the BNP ate babies for breakfast.

1.The BNP hasnt blown up Glasgow Airport.
2.The BNP hasnt blown up the London subway, 3.murdered 80, injured 600.
4.The BNP hasnt blown up Madrid railway station murdering hundreds.
5.The BNP hasnt blown up a Bali tourist resort.
6. The BNP hasnt blown up a Bombay hotel.
7. The BNP didnt murder Theo van Gogh.
8. The BNP wasnt responsible for the destruction of the twin towers in New York.
9. Abu Hamza Captain Hook spouts hatred in Londonistan.

James , you and your chums at the BBC and Channel 4 news never squeeeel about islamic terrorism outrages, why is that ? the pinko media are obssesssed about Nick Griffen and the BNP. Its a funny old world.

Wilhelm

James Forsyth

I watch that cute little propaganda Youtube piece, If you vote BNP, the kid gets deported blah blah blah, I loooooved the mockney
cockney, eastenders accent, the narrator in real
life is probably a RADA educated toff.

So James, what do you do if you cant deport all those muslim radical clerics who spout hatred in England ?

I think Im entitled to an answer to that question.

Archie

Utter claptrap! If there's nothing British about the BNP, what on earth is British about the mainstream parties who have destroyed this country and delivered us into the hands of foreigners?

Jez

Hi,

I think that international 'trade' is a very important. It's built and sunk Empires, sparked nations into life and has been instrumental in living standard from top to bottom. Unfortunately this concept has been abused by the power elite- due to lack of life experience maybe.

For example;

In the debating chambers of Eton 2 + 2 = 4.

Out here in the real world 2 + 2 would have equalled 4.. but there's lack of cash-flow, the Muslims aren't integrating, all the free flow of peoples are clustering together into their own cliques, the taxable population to keep the bubble afloat is diminishing (rapidly).

A happy medium has to probably be found between protectionism and the outright treasonable selling off of every main Industry in the UK.

In the video I would like 'Ben' when he grows up, if he wants to be part of the British way, to be allowed to join the BNP.

If / when that happens, i think the clowns that have ripped the beating heart out of the best nation on this planet should run for cover- or get a bloody good lawyer.

Ray

During a cabinet meeting in early February 1953:
Winston Churchill considered blocking all immigration to Britain because he feared a growing "coloured population" was posing a threat to Britain's social stability.
Churchill, then 79, told Cabinet colleagues that he did not "want a parti-coloured UK". At a Cabinet meeting on February 3, 1954, the prime minister told colleagues: "Problems will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK?"
Churchill said immigrants were attracted to Britain by the welfare state and he said:
"Public opinion in UK won't tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits."
Mr Forsyth, would the leader of the Conservative party still welcome this great statesman into your party. I think not.

Alf Tupper

hadrian.

So which party is going to "tackle very unpopular issues such as mass immigration..." ?

Which of the existing non-events are you going to vote in so that the situation can continue?

Harry Callahan

Rather than denigrate the BNP which is very easy to do, why are the media afraid to openly discuss the issues? The Japanese government recently introduced voluntary repatriation, the media are to a very great extent, silent on this, but will call the BNP "racist" for proposing the same thing.
Unchecked immigration coupled with high rates of asylum seekers from Muslim nations, coupled with the inarguable higher rates of birth that they have, is surely something that will have a future impact upon the UK, this too cannot be discussed. The BNP's critics are to a very large extent, unwilling to have these issues discussed and this is why the BNP are racist, because labelling it such is the only way to suppress open discourse on these issues.

Colin

@David Miers et al.

I made a very early post on this topic to the effect that, I felt that James was displaying the characteristic, lazy, predictable and quite boring approach that the fourth estate / mainstream political establishment has taken in relation to the BNP.

I also criticised what I think is his preposterous statement regarding the shame that would be felt because UK voters would have the temerity to vote for whatever party they wish. In my view this just about sums up the attitude of the the political establishment in the UK, which by the way, includes large sections of the press.

My original post may have been a little harsh on James and his mates, but that's how I feel. I don't think it was gratuitous or personal. I really do believe that it's a bit late and a bit rich for the press to suddenly wake up and realise just what's been going on. The bottom line is, along with our MP's, they've been rumbled.

As far as my views on the BNP go. I won't vote for them, because I believe, that at the heart of the party is a hard core of people with quite objectionable views. Many people who are close to me would face serious sanctions under a BNP regime. But, to label them as fascist, with a view of marking them out in relief to the rest of the UK political landscape is schoolboy stuff. A cursory analysis of the policies of the three main parties and in particular the behaviour of the current labour party in government, would and should shoot that fox.

They way to deal with the BNP is to penetrate beneath the veneer they've constructed and expose the complete lack of depth, in terms of policy, ideas and talent. A more novel approach would be for politicians to actually listen to the electorate and then act.

Northpaw

Colin.

Very well said. I doubt though that even such astute and perceptive comment is enough to shift the blinkers.

Herbert Thornton

Northpaw - despite Colin's criticism of what he calls "the characteristic, lazy, predictable and quite boring approach of the fourth estate, mainstream political establishment", his final paragraph reverts to exactly the same sort attitude that the earlier parts of his post purport to condemn - i.e. the concoction of lofty-sounding abuse of the BNP and the notion that the current cabal of politicians can be persuaded to "listen", after which all will be well.

As for the blinkers being shifted, the signs are that they have been considerably shifted, though I suspect not in the way you are have in mind.

George Laird

Dear All

Wilhelm rushes to the defence of the BNP.

I have read his statements before and he has said of me;

“What a crude vulgar little man GeorgIe Laird Is”.

Fame at last! And no requests for autographs please!

I have had run ins with him on various news websites were he peddles his rubbish and bigotry against Muslims.

He highlights that BNP weren’t involved in Muslim extremists’ crimes.

So what? What does that prove?

It proves exactly nothing!

I could of course list crimes by BNP members and organisers but that would be to detract from the core issue of why people should oppose the BNP.

The BNP stands for discrimination, it seeks to divide society by discrimination and no amount of rhetoric and dressing like New Labour politicians can change that simple fact.

Wilhelm shows us all that although the BNP can have a voice; they cannot win over people’s sense of natural justice.

Wilhelm cannot further their argument a fact that makes him ‘squeeel’.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

james

This article stinks of Labour, the political party that labelled the conservatives the "Do Nothing Party" (when doing nothing might well have been the best thing to do) and now they have the cheek to label The B.N.P the Nothing British Party.

The current system of government simply does not work, the labour party forms their government and the conservatives sit back and let them get on with it, waiting for their opportunity to capitalise on the mistakes of the government of the day, then the conservatives get in and it's labour turn to wait...

What do the Liberal Democrats do?

This system of government has to end, if the British National Party can be the fuel that drives change, then more power to them.

Colin

What I was trying to convey in my last paragraph, is that it is no longer good enough for our MP's to ignore what large numbers of the electorate want, no matter how reactionary or inconvenient those wants and needs are. The idea of a patrician, political class, somehow endowed with wisdom beyond their lumpen electorate employers has been smashed to smithereens in the last couple of weeks.

The aftermath of the forthcoming Euro elections may well provide some serious food for thought in establishment political circles but, I’m not holding my breath. In a previous post, I asked "where are six hundred odd men in white suits when you need them". Well maybe we don't need six hundred odd men in white suits - just yet. What I'll take, for the time being, is an unprecedented surge in support for small parties.

And, no, I certainly wasn't calling for some lofty sounding abuse of the BNP. I was calling for something that hasn't happened yet - namely the intelligent, forensic examination and destruction of the policies and arguments put forward by the BNP. Hysterically denouncing the “odious”, “racist”, “fascist”, “skinhead” “neanderthals” of the “hard right” BNP “scum”, student union style - just doesn’t cut it any more.

Lastly, the reasons I don't think the intelligent, forensic examination and destruction of the BNP has happened yet, is because in reality the political position of the three main parties is in stark conflict with the wishes of the UK electorate, on many policy issues and, in order to counteract the BNP, mainstream politicians would have to listen and then deliver. In other policy areas, the ideas and in the case of the labour government, the operational reality, the current mainstream parties are close to, or even beyond what the BNP would wish on us. Listening to the electorate may prove tricky for the UK political establishment, as I get the feeling that the electorate are in the process of forcing a sea change in UK politics and fantasy manifesto promises, sleaze and non-delivery will no longer be tolerated.

Herbert Thornton

Colin - In your 10.05pm posing you say that you were "...calling for .... the intelligent, forensic examination and DESTRUCTION (my capitals) of the policies and arguments put forward by the BNP."

It's difficult to discern from that whether you are merely calling for more open debate, or whether you are declaring that you hope the BNP will be destroyed - but it sounds rather like the latter.

You rightly say that there is a huge gulf between what the electorate want and what the three main parties want. The gulf divides mainly, I suggest, those who want to preserve Britain from its current process of metamorphosis into an Islamic Province of an Islamic Europe with all that effecting the preservation implies, including repatriation, and on the other hand those who believe that it is our civilised duty to allow and indeed welcome that metamorphosis. Note that I say "mainly". There are many other causes for dissatisfaction including crime rates, excessive political correctness, poor health services and decline in the quality of education to name just some.

But then you say that in "other" policy areas the current mainstream parties are "close to, or even beyond what the BNP would wish on us" and you refer to their "operational reality". That puzzles me. I think that the point you are trying to make would be more comprehensible if you would tell us what those other policy areas are and in what way they are part of "operational reality".

However, when it comes to your "feeling that the electorate are in the process of forcing a sea change in UK politics and fantasy manifesto promises, sleaze and non-delivery will no longer be tolerated" I feel that your feeling is well founded. Whether this will lead to the decline & eventual disappearance of the three mainstream parties and their replacement by UKIP and the BNP I don't venture to forecast, but it would be a very welcome development, in my opinion.

Colin

Herbert Thornton @12:09am

I don't want to see any legal political party destroyed.

The operational reality I refer to in relation to the Labour party in government is: Detention without trial, the effective end to the right of silence, the harvesting of DNA from innocent citizens, large scale digital surveillance, severe restriction of the right to protest, I could go on and on... I've seen nothing from the other two main parties that would suggest they'd change any of these things.

Herbert Thornton

Colin - Thanks for the explanation. I'm guessing that your main concern, is about what used to be called Civil Liberties - i.e. the right to do whatever we like, within reason. I add "within reason" because obviously Civil Liberties should not include liberty to commit or to urge the commission of crimes, especially not that of assassinating people. That is why I raise the question of whether there should be any tolerance, in Britain, of the presence of extremist Islam - and the BNP seem to be the only party with the courage to confront and actually deal with that problem.

Mr A Porter

I find it absolutely crazy that these racist hateful people are even considered in the world of politics. The BNP are the small minded scum that are massaging the opinions of vulnerable areas of the population. If these people were not from the UK our anti terror laws would most likely prevent them from entering. I hope for the good of the nation that their small minded racist voices are not given the time of day at the euro elections

Davey

"This country(Britain) has a proud anti-fascist tradition..."

Don't talk such abject rubbish!

Britain has invaded, butchered, oppressed, enslaved, and looted virtually every corner of this planet!

From Ireland to India, Africa to Australasia you will find undeniable evidence of atrocities committed in the name of our crown.

Imperialism is merely a different form of fascism.

Britain has a proud anti-fascist tradition... Don't make me laugh!

PS. I'm no limp-wristed republican leftist either!