An absolute disgrace
Peter Hoskin 4:06pm
Well, that was embarrassing and disgraceful in equal measures. Michael Martin's statement was stuffed with the rhetoric of "taking responsibility", and there was much puff about "restoring trust", but he remained evasive and aloof. His grand plan? Convening a meeting between the party leaders - something that they can, should and have already done themselves - and, erm, that's it. When it came to calls from the backbenches for him to resign - and there were plenty of those - he just repeatedly dismissed Douglas Carswell's motion as an "early day" one, rather than the more pressing "substantive" alternative.
Early day, substantive, whatever - I can't see the Speaker surviving this. It's clear that he is a liability for both the Government and the House, and his authority is too compromised for him to preside over any meaningful reform. So, the theatre today has basically changed nothing. I suspect we all knew that this bad joke of a Speaker wouldn't take the honourable route, and resign all by himself. But there's a whole host of people gearing up to give him a push. And there are more ways for them to do so than by submitting a motion, early day or otherwise.
P.S. Let's plan ahead, shall we? Say which MPs you'd nominate as Speaker in the comments section below, and we'll run a Coffee House poll later.



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Verity
May 18th, 2009 4:22pm Report this commentGod, he's disgusting.
Can he be sacked? If so, by whom?
JM78
May 18th, 2009 4:25pm Report this commentSir Patrick Cormack
James Drake
May 18th, 2009 4:25pm Report this commentFrank Field
Colin
May 18th, 2009 4:28pm Report this commentour MP's could sort this in a heartbeat if they really wanted to. By boycotting the chamber umtil a debate is granted, the business of the house would be disrupted. It would also help us decide which of them really are up for change.
Jimmy Mac
May 18th, 2009 4:28pm Report this commentWilliam Hague
Elf
May 18th, 2009 4:30pm Report this commentFrank Field
Craig Barrett
May 18th, 2009 4:30pm Report this commentMartin's problem is that he doesn't really understand the Commons and lacks the sense of history that got him there.
As such, I'd go for someone respected on all sides, like Frank Field or Sir George Young.
Feste
May 18th, 2009 4:31pm Report this commentFrank Field
Mazza1230
May 18th, 2009 4:34pm Report this commentVince Cable
Bernard from Horsham
May 18th, 2009 4:34pm Report this commentFrank Field
Old Safety Enginerr
May 18th, 2009 4:35pm Report this commentPoor old Mick - he hadn't a clue - had to keep asking the clerk what he should do!
Surely he can't last till an election now - unless GB calls one before the recess.
There was genuine anger in the house today.
OT watched Home OFiice Qs before speakers statement - what an odious, pompous little toad Phil Woolas is!
CDF
May 18th, 2009 4:36pm Report this commentThere are only two people who have the credibility with the public to take on the role: Vince Cable and Frank Field. Frank Field is the more logical choice as he is (nominally) a member of the party in power.
Don
May 18th, 2009 4:36pm Report this commentQuite frankly Zippy or Bungle would be better, but Frank Field would seem like a starter.
George
May 18th, 2009 4:38pm Report this commentTotally agree. We now need a true Parliamentarian to lead the House back from the cliff edge. Sir Patrick Cormac showed himself today to be able to measure the mood of the House and express it in a mild and polite manner - just what the HofC needs. The worst thing it could do would be to get a 'celebrity' speaker.
Elsie
May 18th, 2009 4:43pm Report this commentWell, certainly not my MP - Michael Foster. He's an absolute Cock of the first order.
Mazza1230
May 18th, 2009 4:43pm Report this commentVince Cable
stereodog
May 18th, 2009 4:46pm Report this commentWith regard to who should be next speaker. I haven't heard anyone else suggest this name but what about John (Viscount) Thurso, Lib Dem MP for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross? I suggest him because he has experience in both houses of Parliament (having previously been an hereditary Lord)as well as in business and he isn't an out and out party man. He also seems to have come out of the expenses scandal well and represents a long tradition of public service. Just a thought as an outside bet anyway.
wittringsfromwitney
May 18th, 2009 4:46pm Report this commentRegarding nominations for next speaker from current MPs - it is not that simple is it?
Why should MPs who have claimed for items other than rent/mortgage, utility bills be included in the list of candidates?
Why should not MPs be forced to return to their constituencies and substantiate their claims to their electorate in open meeetings - they represent all their constituents regardless of the constituents political 'leanings'?
It is after all our Parliament, we, the people, pay for it therefore we should have a say in who parties are putting up for candidature and in the selection process
If you wish to 'clean up' democracy then let us 'clean' all of it rather than tinker at the edges.
Tiberius
May 18th, 2009 4:47pm Report this commentMany people might say that Martin is not New Labour, but it is the characteristic break with tradition of NuLab that has put this Labour speaker in post.
He certainly behaves like a disciple of this repulsive creed: no shame, no honour, no humility, no self-awareness, and, of course, no resignation.
strapworld
May 18th, 2009 4:50pm Report this commentMr Hoskin, Martin did not thiunk this one out himself. This is pure, unadulterated Brown.
Brown looking after one of his own. Looking after one who looks after him! Brown playing politics with the position of speaker, who is supposed to be above politics.
This will not play well. The Labour Party will not allow it to be debated, but someone will find a way. and Martin is well and truly finished. Except that I think Brown will demand a three line whip!!
Politics will be the death of Brown!
McKenzie
May 18th, 2009 4:51pm Report this commentVince Cable
Gaw
May 18th, 2009 4:52pm Report this commentChris Huhne
Sid Rumpo
May 18th, 2009 4:54pm Report this commentFrank Field
Alex
May 18th, 2009 4:55pm Report this commentKate Hoey
Ian Walker
May 18th, 2009 4:55pm Report this commentSince there will shortly be a Conservative government, it should be a Labour Speaker.
My choice would be Jack Straw. Alternatively, how about Diane Abbot?
jon dee
May 18th, 2009 4:57pm Report this commentBlather, bluster, no great speaker Mr Martin remains in denial, while parliament and the people know he sits firmly on the fault line.
He and his devious committee were part of the cause and should not be allowed to pretend a cure.He must go now.
My admiration for Sir George Young's intelligence,judgement and personality make him my favourite, with Field and Cable in the frame.
To Mr Martin and his friends. No, its not a class thing or scapegoating, its a competence thing.
Jonathan_T
May 18th, 2009 4:59pm Report this commentMenzies Campbell
golfwidow
May 18th, 2009 5:00pm Report this commentI have just emailed my MP, asking him to sign Douglas Carswell's motion. I urge all Coffeehousers to do likewise.
Dirty Euro
May 18th, 2009 5:01pm Report this commentDennis Skinner
Malc P
May 18th, 2009 5:02pm Report this commentTebbit would have been perfect. In his absence, Ken Clarke; possibly Widdecombe?
Seb Cameron
May 18th, 2009 5:03pm Report this commentAfter today, Sir Patrick Cormack. Would support Frank Field, but three Labour Speakers in a row is surely stretching the alternating parties convention a little too far.
Andy Carpark
May 18th, 2009 5:10pm Report this commentDusty Bin
Andrew Cadman
May 18th, 2009 5:18pm Report this commentBob Spink
Yorkshireman
May 18th, 2009 5:22pm Report this commentFrank Field
Michael Booth
May 18th, 2009 5:23pm Report this commentWell, what can you say, other than... if this is the Mother of Parliaments in action then God help democracy. Surely it is a bottle of whisky and loaded revolver time for Mr Speaker - either than or a move to impreach him coming from the floor of the House.
idle
May 18th, 2009 5:23pm Report this commentIt's got to be Field. He takes the House seriously, he has ministerial experience, and is untainted, not just by the expenses fiasco, but also the NuLabour fiasco, which has so harmed our institutions. He is quiet and correct.
Definitely not Cormack, who has been, until today, a purveyor of bromides.
Moraymint
May 18th, 2009 5:24pm Report this commentMr Frank Field MP
Susan Hill
May 18th, 2009 5:28pm Report this commentVince Cable
J Wright
May 18th, 2009 5:29pm Report this commentAnne Widdicombe As temp Speaker until the Next election During which the whole situation can be sorted out asregards length of service how An unsuitable one can be disposed secret ballot. It istypical of M.P.s that this situation has to be sorted out in the heat of the moment. Did none of those idiots realise that after 300yrs the lrules should have been brought up to date . The usual excuse of no Parliamentary Time is pathetic when that hunting bill took up 700 hours of P.T. Kate Hoeys claim that lab. whips prevented Mrs Dunwoody ,an honest M.P. should be investigated.If so they are ultimately responsible for the present mess and should resign with their shyster mate mich.
YouCannotBeSerious
May 18th, 2009 5:35pm Report this commentTony Wright
Vulture
May 18th, 2009 5:36pm Report this commentNorman Baker
Archie
May 18th, 2009 5:39pm Report this commentTime to be done with this preposterous, blustering buffoon!
Cameron; do something useful for once!
The Watcher
May 18th, 2009 5:39pm Report this commentAlan Beith
Obnoxio The Clown
May 18th, 2009 5:40pm Report this commentI don't know who I would nominate, but my best bet is that someone unpartisan like Tommy McAvoy will be appointed next.
/sarcasm
Florence Nightingale
May 18th, 2009 5:42pm Report this commentIt used to be traditional for the position of Speaker to be alternated between parties. The Labour Party flouted this tradition when it voted in Martin, but as a committed Conservative supporter I would personally have no objection to Frank Field.
Archie
May 18th, 2009 5:45pm Report this commentJohn Redwood.
Andy
May 18th, 2009 5:52pm Report this commentWithout a doubt it should be Frank Field. He understands and loves Parliament.
Bedd Gelert
May 18th, 2009 5:55pm Report this commentA smart move would be for 'Ming the Merciless' to agree to stand on a platform of only doing the job for a maximum term of 5 years, and be willing to step down before then if a posse of '12 good men and true' came to have a quiet word.
Then MPs might be sure that he could crack on with reform, but not be hanging around forever like a bad smell.
Steve
May 18th, 2009 6:02pm Report this commentFrank Field
Bruce Robertson
May 18th, 2009 6:04pm Report this commentTeresa May.
That'll get her off the telly.
Max Kaye
May 18th, 2009 6:04pm Report this commentOpit Lemsip
(or whatever his name is).
Just for the fun of it.
Young Mr Paul
May 18th, 2009 6:12pm Report this commentAnybody with a pulse, or indeed without one, would be an improvement.
TrevorsDen
May 18th, 2009 6:13pm Report this commentWhy when we have a con gov should we have a labour speaker/
A labour majority elected Martin - when by convention since the last speaker was labour, it should have been a conservative.
Field would be OK but from somewhere it should be a Conservative. A rue speaker of course would and should rise above politics so normally party would not matter. Speaker Thomas came from a humble labour background and was excellent. Weatherall was a Tory and would have handled this much better.
Not Cable.
Lady A
May 18th, 2009 6:22pm Report this commentVince Cable - he has real experience outside politics
Anne Widdecombe if she wasn't stepping down
Kate Hoey as an outsider
William Hague - the perfect voice for Order! Order!
Ricky
May 18th, 2009 6:40pm Report this commentFrank Field, Norman Baker or Kate Hoey
Rivere
May 18th, 2009 7:01pm Report this commentWould say Hague, but he may one day be set for bigger things.
Anseo
May 18th, 2009 7:22pm Report this commentSir George Young
Florence Nightingale
May 18th, 2009 7:24pm Report this commentSpeaker Thomas, my all-time favourite, offered to step down when Mgt.Thatcher came to power and she would not hear of it.
As long as the next speker recognises that he is responsible for Parliament not Pary and that it is his job to uphold the integrity and honesty of the whole House I would be satisfied.
hadrian
May 18th, 2009 7:36pm Report this commentWere it not for her countless other duties and the fact it'd drive her to an all too early grave, I'd vote for the Monarch herself to drive a coach and horses through the Blairite shredded Constitution and she could ascend the Chair herself.
That aside, I think it's a choice amongst Frank Field, Diane Abbot, John Thurso or William Hague- if we can afford to lose him from the Front Benches.
Chris
May 18th, 2009 8:18pm Report this commentSir Patrick McCormack
Boudicca
May 18th, 2009 8:39pm Report this commentVince Cable
JJ
May 18th, 2009 8:43pm Report this commentI propose Rudyard Kipling MP for Bombay or Charles James Fox.
Susan Hill
May 18th, 2009 9:30pm Report this commentAnne Widdecombe, if she could be persuaded but she is standing down at the next election so maybe she wouldn`t want it.
Next to her, Vince Cable-so-Able.
Frank Field is needed elsewhere.
Ben Elford
May 18th, 2009 9:32pm Report this commentSomebody able to speak English, and to read coherently from a piece of paper, would be good.
marksany
May 18th, 2009 9:34pm Report this commentAndrew Makinley,
never afraid to stand up to the executive and parlimetarian of the year winner
Liz Elliot-Pyle
May 18th, 2009 9:45pm Report this commentI would have said Ann Widdecombe, until I read her article where she said "who would you expect to mow my lawn?" My answer in the comments was "I cant afford to pay anyone to mow my lawn, why should I pay for someone to mow YOUR lawn though my taxes?"
She has fallen in my estimation. Anyone who will not pay for their gardener from a salary of £64,000 should not be the next speaker.
Fernando
May 18th, 2009 10:01pm Report this commentSomeone fairly young and not afraid to upset either front bench. Given the disregard in which the HofC is held we also need someone good at communications, able to show the electors that things are really changing.
How about John Bercow?
Pip Gold
May 18th, 2009 10:02pm Report this commentDavid Davies (Haltemprice and Howden !) He would take it seriously and apply himself and be impartial. Unlike the present incumbent - sorry, I meant present imbecilic incumbent.
Anne Widdicombe might be good - worth a trying out for the fag end of Labour.
Yates of the Yard would be a definite winner.
THX1138
May 18th, 2009 10:09pm Report this commentGuido!
TGF UKIP
May 18th, 2009 11:30pm Report this commentSecret ballot or not it's going to be both whipped and tribal on the Labour side.
My view is the Tories are crackers to get rid of Martin now when there is a substantial Labour majority and a Labour Party leader with such a visceral hatred of the Tories.
Mind you there's never been any stopping the Stupid Party from being exactly that so the chances are they'll end up with either another unsatisfactory and partisan Labour figure or an equally unsatisfactory Menzies Campbell.
All the names mentioned above are out of recent headlines and while Frank Field may be an admirable figure, he's probably too sane, too useful and too interesting not to have round to comment on policy matters.
Stand out man for me would be the well respected Richard Shepherd - and yes his expenses last year were indeed far below most.
Wilhelm
May 19th, 2009 12:52am Report this comment''Say which MPs you'd nominate as Speaker in the comments section below''
A tub of lard.
Gorbals Mick , a tub of lard, its the same thing.
Wilhelm
May 19th, 2009 12:57am Report this comment'' I suspect we all knew that this bad joke of a Speaker wouldn't take the honourable route, and resign all by himself. ''
Let me put it this way, Peter, Gorbals Mick is a stubborn bastard, I dont know how else to put it.
Plus if he retires next year he'll get £100.000 and get kicked upstairs into the house of lords.
He aint going to pass that up, now is he ?
Howard
May 19th, 2009 1:12am Report this commentKate Hoey
Major Plonquer
May 19th, 2009 6:59am Report this commentOK.
1. I'd like to nominate myself. I could use a new telly and the carpet needs a shampoo.
2. Frank Ifield. Having his 1960s hit 'I Remember You' he'll never forget what's his name - the learer of the LibDems - name again.
3. Gordon Brown. He's going to need a job.
4. Sir Goeorge Younger - or is it Young. Anyway the one that's not dead.
Nicola
May 19th, 2009 7:54am Report this commentI suggest picking from a list (we haven't got it yet)of all the MP's who haven't fiddled their expense claims or "flipped" their residence status. That should shorten the options immensley. Failing that I propose Ian Hislop!
ian skidmore
May 19th, 2009 8:08am Report this commentfrank field
Alex of old
May 19th, 2009 8:41am Report this commentWilliam Hague - we need someone who can perform well in public, can bring a sense of humour to the badly defalted Commons and can get the Prime Minister of the day to answer questions at PMQ - he does not want to be PM so let's have William as Speaker in preperation for the day that the other William is King - succession planning, that would be a first for politicians.
mick-ex-pat
May 19th, 2009 8:48am Report this commentIf this man,is emlpoyed by the state then he can be sacked?
WHAT IS GOING WITH THIS Circus
Mr Green
May 19th, 2009 10:16am Report this commentMichael Palin
Carl
May 19th, 2009 10:19am Report this commentI would have said Ming Campbell, but he let himself down with his arrogance over expenses on question time.
So, Vince Cable or Frank Field.
Christina T.
May 19th, 2009 10:39am Report this commentSir Menzies Campbell
Simon
May 19th, 2009 12:01pm Report this commentHazel Blears (would need to sit on a cushion)
Wily Trout
May 19th, 2009 1:46pm Report this commentThe Beast of Bolsover
Mike
May 19th, 2009 3:45pm Report this commentBono
WilliamCobbett
May 20th, 2009 10:41am Report this commentFrank Field is far too good on policy issues to lose for a position which is only being a chairman after all. Tony Wright or Ann Widdecombe (let's ask her to reconsider). Above all, we need a strong field; Cable, Widdecombe, Wright as above. In respect of policy, Cable's forte is thought to be economics, but he is just a cleverer and more balanced Keynesian (snake-oil salesman). His personal qualities and ability at ballroom dancing would stand him MPs and us in good stead.
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