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Monday, 8th June 2009

There are more twists left in this plot

James Forsyth 9:41pm

As Fraser said earlier, the rebellion has not been defeated: Brown has not had some moment that restores his authority. Instead, he has made the same pledges that he has made before—to set out his vision, to be more inclusive and to call off his bully boys—and they look like they will be enough to buy him a few more weeks.

But these pledges won’t be met because Brown can’t change. (Hands up if anyone thinks we’ll make it through the summer without a minister being briefed against by Downing Street). So, soon enough there will be another trigger for a rebellion—defeat in Norwich North or a string of polls with Labour in the teens, say—and the whole show will start all over again. 

The longer that this goes on, the more damage will be inflicted on the Labour party. Brown can’t restore his authority, so logically Labour should get rid of him. But even many of those in the PLP who grasp this point are incapable of acting on it. There are few who are prepared to fight and fight again to save the party they love. Instead, they’d rather someone else did the fighting and then they can move to pick up the spoils from the battle field.

PS There’s a rumour that a poll that is due out tomorrow will show Labour doing significantly better with people other than Brown in charge. More as we get it.

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Sally Chatterjee

June 8th, 2009 9:54pm Report this comment

Labour would do better with a baboon in charge, you don't need to hire a pollster to tell you that.

kevin

June 8th, 2009 10:02pm Report this comment

labour(1900-2009) died tonight.its lies brain dead in ICU.we are waiting for the voters to turn off the machine.it's last words were"but gordon you said..............".public cremation no flowers.donations to lord mandelson,executor.

Steve.W

June 8th, 2009 10:12pm Report this comment

Norwich North, the Ian Gibson seat, this will be one to watch, rather like Crewe and Nantwich was before. I wonder if the 'toff suits' are back from the cleaners, remember those?

jaydeeaitch

June 8th, 2009 10:14pm Report this comment

How many times are the PLP going to fall for the three card trick?

Jellyfish, one and all.

Alan Douglas

June 8th, 2009 11:06pm Report this comment

So, errrr ... Brown sends out a message to his MPs that he will call off the bully boys. Ummmm ... who was carrying this message to the MPs, then ?

Umm, oh, the reformed, non-threatening bully boys. That's all right then.

Alan Douglas

Ruth

June 9th, 2009 12:56am Report this comment

If all opposition MPs resigned en masse this week, would parliament be dissolved immediately, forcing a General Election?

If so, then they should do so. In a stroke, opposition MPs would present themselves as 'honest', as opposed to Labour's 'dishonest' MPs, who refuse to put the country's best interests above their own selfish ones, as demonstrated this past week.

Some of the opposition troughers might even get re-elected if they are prepared to put their pensions on the line.

They've recently demonstrated they can run successful campaigns, now they can prove to the voting public that they can work together by staging a successful coup (unlike...Labour). They already did it with the Ghurkas - they can build on that.

Plus Labour is brassic. So is UKIP. Probably the BNP, too. Can they all afford a General Election campaign right now?

In one fell swoop, the opposition presents itself to be 'honest', competent, listening to the public and prepared to work together for the good of the country.

Labour cannot claim any part of this platform, and, really, this is what the vast majority of people wants from its politicians: honesty, competency and the ability to work together for the good of the country.

That's a win, win, win situation, I think.

But that's only if parliament can be dissolved in this way. Does anyone know?

Also happy to read comments pointing out the cons of this idea.

Edward

June 9th, 2009 3:21am Report this comment

"There are more twists left in this plot. "
Yawn, I know.
O/T, but here's the best "twist" :

According to some reports :- "Cameron will take part in the 'Gay Pride at the Paramount' event on June 30, at Centrepoint, organised by lesbian Tory parliamentary candidate Margot James".

Government meltdown, Zombie Cabinet, financial crisis, nation skint, EU taking the mickey, IMF watching, MRSA, Flint still in a hissy fit, and Bullington Boy Wisteria Dave is to show empathy with the pink vote.
I know it's a contemporary cliche, but you couldn't make it up.

UK. 2009.

Labour Party slogan at next General Election :
"C'mon, Where's Your Sense of Humour ?"

Ian C

June 9th, 2009 8:42am Report this comment

The right outcome for both the Tories and The Labour Party but the wrongh one for the country.

This whole episode demonstrates with the sharpest of clarity how opposing are the interests of the people of this country and their politicians.

This could not provide a better example as to why Britain is utterly shagged out.

Publius

June 9th, 2009 9:17am Report this comment

"Gay Pride at the Paramount"

Edward. Good for him. Guess what. You can be queer and still want self-determination, political liberty, good education and clean government.

peter

June 9th, 2009 11:55am Report this comment

Sally Chatterjee, I think you'll find they have got a babooon in charge.

Verity

June 9th, 2009 1:50pm Report this comment

Publius, why so confrontational? Did anyone say otherwise?

Cameron should not be aligning himself with single issue groups. His message should be that the Tories would govern for everyone equally. Anyway, one more example of the man's appalling judgement. He probably thinks that with the "climate changers", the gays and the hoodies, he's pretty much got the vote tied up.

(As an aside, notice how "man made global warming", now thoroughly disproved, has morphed into "climate change". These people don't give up, but then, there is probably a shedload of public money in it.)

Edward

June 9th, 2009 2:24pm Report this comment

"Gay Pride at the Paramount"

Publius. I agree with you.
Even some old-fashioned members of the Labour electorate might consider the things you mention to be steps in the right direction.

The point of my original comment was not criticism of "queers" (heaven forbid !). It was supposed to be critical of politicians - especially those who wish to be taken more seriously as politicians.

Society has adapted its attitudes to "queers". Certainly during my lifetime.

I reserve the right not to have to adapt any further my attitude with regard to the behaviour of politicians, especially the behaviour of possible future Prime Ministers.

In my world - I know, it's a terrible place - if Dave feels it fine to appear at Gay Pride as a political stunt (and what else would the attendance of a future PM be ?)... then in principle - the"celebrating diversity"principle which has played a handsome role getting us into such a mess -, we may reasonably expect him to address the next Annual Conference of the Black Policeman's Association.

Sorry if I can't move with the times...

Publius

June 9th, 2009 4:20pm Report this comment

Edward. I think it's just an easy high-profile way of demonstrating that the Left's spin that Tories hate queers, blacks, Jews, etc. isn't true, or is no longer true.

I acknowledge that it is a rather liberal view that a man should be judged not by the colour of his skin etc, but by the content of his character. But it is a view I subscribe to. And for what it's worth, I suspect Disraeli would have subscribed to it too, as would Lady Thatcher.

Publius

June 9th, 2009 5:03pm Report this comment

Verity. Edward. I have no wish to be confrontational. There's too much of that elsewhere.

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