Mandelson the maestro
James Forsyth 10:47am
If you have a few minutes, do read the transcript of Peter Mandelson’s exchange with the FT. Whatever you think of his politics, it is a masterclass in how to handle this kind of interview.
Apart from Mandelson’s comments on spending, a couple of other things jumped out at me. Mandelson advances a new attack on the Tory policy on public services: “They seem to have entered a Faustian pact with public sector producer interests. Their message is, quote, we will spend less on you, but require you to reform less and change less…. David Cameron offers the soft option on public sector reform. This may be because they are fishing for votes, or simply because they care less about the public services.” This is obviously balderdash when it comes to education where the Tories are planning to be truly radical, but there is a certain truth to it when it comes to health policy. Too often Andrew Lansley gives the impression that he believes that what’s good for the BMA, is good for Britain.
On the Royal Mail, Mandelson is clearly climbing down because he knows Brown is too weak to confront the inevitable Parliamentary rebellion. The idea that the legislative timetable is just too full to fit it in is absurd.
Mandelson’s thinking about his own future also seems to be changing. Back in April, he told The Times “I think time has run out for me” in terms of achieving his various ambitions. But he tells George Parker that after the election, he “would like to either continue in this department or take on another.” It is far more likely that Labour will lose the next election than win it. But even if Labour loses, I expect Mandelson will continue to play a key role. His loyalty to Brown and the quality of his advice to him has established his right to be listened to right across the party.
PS This exchange seems to sum up the new, more confident Mandelson:
FT: I’m sure this is another thing that’s never crossed your mind, but I think last time we spoke I put to you this point about some Labour MPs – unlikely Labour MPs – said they were learning to love you, and that Tony Blair prophecy was in danger of coming true.
PM: I didn’t blow a kiss, by the way, to Geraldine Smith [Labour MP who admitted “learning to love” Peter Mandelson]. I smiled bashfully.



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Rhoda Klapp
June 29th, 2009 11:11am Report this commentDid anybody ask him for the list of public service reforms carried out by New Labour in the last 12 years which have done any good?
Publius
June 29th, 2009 11:28am Report this commentMandelsohn's main strength is that he doesn't really care. He has made his millions out of us. He is sitting pretty. He can say what he likes.
As for "Maestro", do me a favour! He only shines when set against the rest of the vile mediocrities who flatter themselves that they are statesmen.
J R Hartley
June 29th, 2009 11:34am Report this commentSettlement rights for Ghurkas - climbdown.
42 days detention - climbdown.
Expenses reform - climbdown.
Private Iraq inquiry - climbdown pending.
I think the Royal Mail reform climbdown was inevitable.
Gordon lacks courage and now has Mandy to spin his lies to the contrary. Yeah he's slick when he's allowed to spin and lie, without rebuttal, but aren't they all?
Peter
June 29th, 2009 11:38am Report this commentIm with Mandy on the Tories NHS policies. As things stand Lansley is going to scrap the cancer target and turn the NHS over to a giant quango.
strapworld
June 29th, 2009 11:59am Report this commentI do find this all very tedious. This man is unelected. Sacked how many times? Treated as if he is the greatest politician that ever walked this earth.
The man is a liar, a man who should have gone to prison over his mortgage application! A Man who has sold his soul to the EU and is willing to sell our beloved country.
The man is quite frankly a disgrace. And we have to read sycophantic nonsense like this, I get so annoyed.
He is just another villain in a party and government of villains.
I believe, truly, in what goes around comes around and I will be leading the laughter and cheering when it finally comes around for this
disgraceful liar. As it will.
Cameron can do us all a favour by announcing that he will bring in true reform to the House of Lords and make it a fully ELECTED second chamber. That would put paid to Mandleson and his cronies.
seb2
June 29th, 2009 12:01pm Report this commentThe tories have been quietly outflanked by labour on public service reform. The cameron strategy of cosying up to the unions and the staff will come home to roost when they are in government and cant get anything done.
CS
June 29th, 2009 12:12pm Report this commentRhoda, the reforms over the last 12 years amount to this:
Start with a Civil Service doing the work of government pretty slowly and outdatedly end with a Civil Service generating nothing but self-justifying statistics...but doing it very quickly and efficiently.
JGS
June 29th, 2009 12:12pm Report this commentIt seems to me that it's time the press stopped treating Mandelson with kid gloves. His claim that the parliamentary timetable was too full to press ahead with the Royal Mail reforms wasn't just, as you say, "absurd"; it was a lie. If that's what passes for "a masterclass" then God help us all.
CS
June 29th, 2009 12:13pm Report this commentHmmm...in retrospect, please delete the word "efficiently" from my analysis above.
CS
June 29th, 2009 12:14pm Report this comment...and in further retrospect, please also delete the words "very quickly" too.
Simon Stephenson
June 29th, 2009 12:28pm Report this comment"Whatever you think of his politics, it is a masterclass in how to handle this kind of interview."
What, giving non-answers to loaded question/assertions?
Maybe so, but of what possible constructive use is this? About as much as digging a hole one day, and filling it in the next.
Time to realise that every day this communicational impasse goes on, the further behind the rest of the world we'll become.
adrian drummond
June 29th, 2009 12:37pm Report this commentI wish you wouldn't keep praising Mandelson. The very fact that he keeps this Government in power through his machiavellian ways is appalling enough.
john miller
June 29th, 2009 12:49pm Report this commentI think we have an unholy trinity in charge of the "government", fighting purely for the next election.
Balls does the hatchet man job, Harman keeps the party members happy and Mandleson runs everything else.
Brown is a ventriloquist's dummy, with a different hand up his back from day to day and spouting whatever comes into the triumvirate's heads.
In the last 48 hours, Brown has been told that the Post Office won't go ahead, the spending review won't go ahead and that he has had to announce that his beloved target culture hasn't worked.
He's a leader with a ring through his nose.
Ivy Eileen
June 29th, 2009 12:54pm Report this commentI'm sorry, James, but I am tired of reading about the media falling over in a swoon with Mandelson. He's not a smart media operator, he's a glib one. Your FT postscript is worthy of "Hello" magazine.
He reminds me of Kaa in Junglebook. Eyes swivel and everyone falls over.
Remember he is on the record as having said words to the effect of "It doesn't matter if it's true or not. What's important is whether you are believed" (shades of Goebbels).
I may live in a limited circle, but everyone I know reacts to Mandelson with a grimace and a shiver down their spine (imagine a nasty taste or an unpleasant odour).
Andrew
June 29th, 2009 12:58pm Report this commentI presume the reference to the First Secretary of Darkness as "PM:" was his idea?
TrevorsDen
June 29th, 2009 1:06pm Report this commentA polite way of calling Mandelson a lying dissembling bastard. Not out of place around the current cabinet table.
If relying on Mandelson to save their scrawny necks is what the Labour party have come to then they are in a poor state indeed.
You do of course miss the central point. No one believes all these blandishments by Mandelson, everyone knows they are a fig-leaf - both the electorate and not least the people who interview him. How long will they continue to play the game rather than do their jobs?
Trevorsden
June 29th, 2009 1:12pm Report this commentMay I add that Publius is totally right.
It does not matter what Mandelson says or Brown or any of them. Mandelson is sitting pretty on what he has troughed from the public purse already and can make even more by simply turning up at the Lords to claim his allowance. Brown and Co have nothing to lose - they can lie away to try to save their skins.
Mandelson is a good example of life peers only being for the 'life' of a parliament.
Tiberius
June 29th, 2009 1:13pm Report this commentIf Mandy went for the leadership of HM Opposition after the election, would anyone bother to challenge him? The likely contenders have already shown themselves to be invertebrate with a yellow streak, and anyway why would anyone want the job William Hague took on in 1997?
Mandy has the qualities (ooh it hurt to say that) to assemble the rump of the Labour party, and embrace the irony of his position. He's already got a fair few tee-shirts, so the chance to harrass Cameron at PMQs just for the fun of it might just appeal to him.
The Bellman
June 29th, 2009 1:24pm Report this commentYou can always smell your own farts, so when it comes to Faustian pacts, this chap should know what he's talking about.
I'm not sure that the general election result is particularly relevant to Mandelson's future influence. I once saw him as a Wormtongue figure within the government, but I underestimate him: McSnotty is hardly a Theoden, and such a weakened man can scarcely be a suitable vehicle for a someone of Mandelson's ambitions. Once Charles is king, this man will be all over the constitution like one of his ill-fitting suits. I can imagine Mandelson gripped by uncontrollable urges when he contemplates his power as advisor to a politically-activist monarch with so few coherent ideas of his own.
Max Atkinson
June 29th, 2009 1:27pm Report this commentThere shouldn't be any surprise if Mandelson knows how to handle interviews. After all, the only 'proper' job he had before going into politics was as a back room boy for one of the finest interviewers ever, namely Brian Walden.
The Bellman
June 29th, 2009 2:26pm Report this commentThe only plausible use of 'Mandelson' and 'Maestro' in the same sentence would "Mandelson's 'car scrappage scheme' enables someone driving a shitty old Austin Maestro worth £120 to subsidise the purchase of a new Fiat by £2,000, thus simultaneously boosting Italian and Polish car manufacturers while eroding the personal wealth of anyone who needs to replace a worn-out car but cannot afford to buy a new one, all by using borrowed money from overseas creditors that the government has no coherent plan to repay..."
Paul
June 29th, 2009 2:39pm Report this commentThis idiot is just dressed in Emporers clothes that are bestowed on him by greater idiots.
Chris lancashire
June 29th, 2009 3:33pm Report this commentTrevorsDen: I agree with everything you say except that "No one believes these blandishments by Mandelson". People who take only a passing interest in politics may well accept his pathetic excuse for delaying action on the P.O. at face value. Many core and fringe Labour voters will dismiss the fact that he is indeed a lying dissembling bastard.
Dorothy Wilson
June 29th, 2009 3:43pm Report this commentActually, I remember using the words "Faustian Pact" on one of Nick Robinson's blogs several months ago. However, I used it to refer to the way in which Labour had turned a blind eye to the worst excesses of capitalism in the City in return for having the taxes generated to fuel the worst excesses of socialism as they pumped ever more money into the public services.
And surely the description should be applied to Labour continuing to spend, spend, spend whilst pushing the country into more and more indebtnesses.
Mandelson might well find the "Faustian Pact" back fires on him. And the sooner the better!
Verity
June 29th, 2009 3:44pm Report this commentI don't know why The Speccie and Westminster Village is so dazzled by Mandelson. He doesn't seem to impress anyone outside the Village.
2trueblue
June 29th, 2009 3:53pm Report this commentThe man really is bad news.Why the media givehim such an easy ride is the real question. He is manipulative and very unpleasant. It is laughable to see/hear/read how clever he is. When the Lords has elected members only, he will be gone. Not soon enough.
egh
June 29th, 2009 5:49pm Report this commentOh that's a good one. Mephistopheles accuses other people of Faustian pacts!!!
David Ossitt
June 29th, 2009 7:41pm Report this commentSlithering, slimy, creepy, vile, loathsome, repellent, and the arch coward Gordon Brown, makes him "First Secretary of State, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills and Lord President of the Council".
We have sunk to this.
mitch
June 29th, 2009 8:33pm Report this commentWhy do people listen to mandelson? why this reputation?
The mans a twice sacked fraud with a dodgy personal life, everything he utters is either lies or half truths so why listen??
Ignore the fool and he will go away.
anne allan
June 29th, 2009 9:50pm Report this commentI'm trying to think of which Shakespearian play the current situation reminds me.
Certainly not one of the tragedies - none of these characters started off as remotely noble.
Richard III? One of the Henry's? Certainly in terms of sheer nastiness, we need to go back to the Wars of the Roses.
Verity
June 30th, 2009 3:44am Report this commentI am impressed by the corruption writ in the face in this photograph. This individual is vile. He's from the same toxic nest of vipers as Tony Blair, who also has a disturbing face. Look at their faces and see the familial likeness.
What on earth is this doing slithering around the top levels of our government? Unelected. The Mother of Parliaments and now its whore.
The Lords has to be closed down and returned to the hereditaries whose personal ambitions were not served by it. The real lords sought to conserve. And weren't even that interested in attending, except for debates in which they had a special interest or on which they had special knowledge. Other than that, they came in occasionally, had lunch in the Lords' dining room, not that great, frankly, but probably as good as they got at home, then buggered off for the next few weeks.
The compulsive attendees are the socialist vipers who are working towards destruction. The Lords must not be destroyed. It was the greatest legislative chamber in the world, because the hereditaries aren't interested in interfering in what is not their business. Like who can eat sweets, or whether pubs should be establishments wherein people could smoke, whether Muslims should be allowed all Muslim swimming days in the local pools, whether Stazi park attendants could arrest OAPs for dropping sweets papers ...
Our HoL was the fresh air of liberty and openness and must be returned to us. Hereditaries. Appointees a very rare event.
No disgraceful rubbish like "Lord" Mandelson and of the long, pretentious title which he has not earned, "Lady" Jay and all those fortune-hunters representing the Quangoes and Quangoettes.
Verity
June 30th, 2009 3:53am Report this commentRhoda K writes: "Did anybody ask him for the list of public service reforms carried out by New Labour in the last 12 years which have done any good?"
I'll see you and up you one: Can anyone name one single socialist "reform" carried out over the last 12 years that did nothing but harm and destruction?
I'll get out of the way ... before the .... STAMPEEEDE
Paul
June 30th, 2009 9:47am Report this commentLet's be clear here - mandelson is the master of extreme misrepresentation. This is not a skill worthy of praise, especially when being used to cover the economic disaster in progress.
cuffleyburgers
June 30th, 2009 11:39am Report this commentNice Nazi salute, mandelson.
Freudian slip eh?
Andy
June 30th, 2009 6:45pm Report this commentThis would be the Mandelson who was forced to resign TWICE over dodgy dealings, wouldn't it? The one who is unelected and unaccountable yet to all intents and purposes, to judge from his "pledges", is running the government? The one who says we'll join the Euro? I want my democracy back.
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