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Massive development in Iran, Qum begins to turn against the regime

James Forsyth 2:05pm

The situation in Iran might have been knocked off the front pages in recent days and the regime does seem to have regained control of the streets. But things are clearly not over yet. The New York Times today reports that the “most important group of religious leaders in Iran [Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qum] called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate on Saturday”.

This is the most important development since Iranians started to protest in numbers against the obvious rigging of the result. If Qum is turning against the regime, it is in real trouble. [I’m baffled that this story isn’t leading the news here].

In other news in Iran, a newspaper that acts as a regime mouthpiece has called Moussavi, the ‘defeated’ candidate, and former president Khatami foreign agents and urged that they be tried for treason. Clearly, the regime isn’t yet confident in its position. Judging by Saturday’s developments, it is right not to be.

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Susan Hill

July 5th, 2009 2:52pm Report this comment

It isn`t the leading news because they`re all too busy sucking up to gay pride that`s why. I plan a new annual rally. Heterosexual Pride. And doesn`t that sound silly ? Of course it does. So does the other. I just don`t get it.
The Iranian news is incredibly important - it just, juuuust might be the start of a real and positive change in that country whose people labour under such appalling leadership. Mind you, show me a nation where that isn`t true !

HAMID

July 5th, 2009 4:23pm Report this comment

TIME TO CHANGE WE ARE PERSIAN NOT A ARAB
GO GREEN

Augustus

July 5th, 2009 4:44pm Report this comment

Something must have given the theocratic regime in Iran the confidence to crush the angry uprising after manipulating the election results with such brutality. That 'something' can only be the change of policy by the greatest power on earth; America. Obama has given the ruling regime a large amount of confidence. On the 4th June he spoke in Cairo of a 'new beginning' in relations between the West and the Islamic world.
Deeply did he bow before Islam, meekly holding out his hand begging for friendship. He was hard on Israel, but relations between America and Islamic regimes would no longer be those of confrontation, but friendship and negotiation.

This applied also to Iran. Conflicts between America and Iran in the past had to be forgotten, he said. We had to look to the future. Iran, he stated, had a right to develop its own nuclear facilities. It is unfair, he said, that some countries are allowed nuclear weapons, while others aren't. The goal should be a nuclear-free world, including America. With those comments he gave Iran carte blanche to develop its own nuclear WMDs, by which, just as in North Korea, Iran can legitimize their existence. Hearing those words the Mullahs probably couldn't have believed their ears. Never before had they been handed such generosity.

Obama has not, and will not do anything. He speaks a few noble words of peace and just lets the freedom seeking populace die in the streets. This president already has blood on his hands, and it will get a lot worse.

Lee Jakeman

July 5th, 2009 6:37pm Report this comment

It isn`t the leading news item because those apostles of Satan, the Israelis, aren't involved. If you can blame things on "the Jooz" it's headline news straight away.

King Prawn

July 5th, 2009 7:25pm Report this comment

James,

If true, how much do you think this due to the influence of Ayotollah Ali Sistani (hope I have got the spelling right)?

strapworld

July 5th, 2009 7:52pm Report this comment

Heterosexual Pride!

Can you imagine how the Lesbians and Gays would stand on the sides and barrack the ladies and gentlemen, walking in their suits and lovely Liberty dresses, children in pushchairs or marching with placards. MUMMY's AND DADDIES is BEST!

Great idea Susan, Organise it AND we will all turn out.

seb

July 5th, 2009 8:03pm Report this comment

Susan Hill
The fact that Iran has faded from the headlines has as much to do with Michael Jackson's demise as with the gay pride march, don't you think? Mr. Jakeman's comment is also apt. Massive genuine dissent in Iran doesn't sit well with the Jooz-haters and their obsession with linking almost everything that happens in the world to the imaginary struggle between The Righteous [themselves] and the Neocon-Zionazi plotters who aim to control the planet.

I would support your idea of a heterosexual pride march if there were anything about being smitten with women's equipment that we hets should be proud of. [I have no idea why women are attracted to men and have for years doubted that they genuinely are. Perhaps Lady Hets could march separately.] Aren't gays, bisexuals, cross-dressers and non-hets free to go about their lives with being bullied or victimised? If they're not, then that ought to be the point of marching. Otherwise, it is, in my humble opinion, idiotic to be proud of one's own particular erotic fetish.

Jeremy

July 5th, 2009 8:30pm Report this comment

To Augustus:

How long, do you think, before the American population as a whole begin to realise they have not got the President they thought they had voted for?

Thrasymachus

July 5th, 2009 8:38pm Report this comment

Sorry to be a little off topic. But here is a staggering contrast.

The European media have understandably been up in arms about the Iranian regime's threat to arrest Mousavi... but did anyone here know that at the weekend a European opposition leader had been arrested, pepper-sprayed and detained?

http://www.jobbik.com/?p=618

The party has an unsavoury reputation (BNP links etc.), but still, they scored just 2% less than the party now in power in Hungary in the recent European elections. They also have a national mandate.

The point is, had a journo chum not sent me the link I wouldn't have known about this at all.

The level of modern European high-minded hypocrisy is now just so staggering, that we are now willfully blinding ourselves to events in our own back yard...

Paul

July 5th, 2009 10:33pm Report this comment

Thanks again for this news. Yes, comparisons with Israel: In the end, don't we get to hear about Palestinian suffering (real or invented) because of the fact that Israel is a free country?

ANd what about Honduras? I can find little news. I gather that the military, working with congress have stopped the president in his attempt to have an unconstitutional third term. I vaguely know that it is another test that Obama is failing. Hopefully, there might be some coverage on Tuesday!

Paul

July 5th, 2009 10:36pm Report this comment

HAMAD: good for you dude!

And lets all start recognising who the trouble makers really are.

David

July 5th, 2009 10:51pm Report this comment

"I just don`t get it."

Most gay adults around today had to keep their sexuality secret at some point, and even today there are some areas and groups of people in front of which you wouldn't want to hold hands with your loved one. It's still, unfortunately a big deal to be completely out. When it's not, then gay pride will be silly. Until then, it's understandable.

"Aren't gays, bisexuals, cross-dressers and non-hets free to go about their lives with being bullied or victimised?"

Unfortunately not, no.

David

July 5th, 2009 10:54pm Report this comment

"MUMMY's AND DADDIES is BEST!"

That's rather different. Gay people aren't saying they are the best, merely that they should have nothing to be ashamed about. In an age where gay people getting married or adopting or joining the armed forces is controversial, it's a message worth ramming home to certain people.

Augustus

July 6th, 2009 12:47am Report this comment

To Jeremy:

Difficult for me to answer that one. But most probably before their Obama-loving, sheepish European counterparts. What Obama doesn't get about the Iran situation now (at least he doesn't show it) is that in Bush's time the Iranian population appeared to support the regime, and so the West was obliged to respect that position in any negotiations. But things have moved on, and now it has dawned on the experts that the refugees were right, and those who thought Ahmadinejad represented the political spectrum in the country were wrong. Thirty years ago the revolution was supported by the will of the people. Those with the power still con themselves that that is still the case. They call the mostly young demonstrators hooligans. But the populace has switched that around and called the regime hooligans. And while they're all turning to Green, the colour of nature and freedom, Obama is stuck in his socialist tint of Red appeasement to Islam. The natural rebirth of Green nature is busy de-Islamifying, and the world should stand fully behind this Green wave of freedom. It's a budding phenomenon that out of a generation suppressed by the Koran, jihad, Sharia law, and the Prophet Mohammed, its children don't want all of that anymore. As Hamid says, they want to 'go Green'.

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