One in five would consider voting for the BNP

Noa Zrk

Shock, horror recoil! What did the Chatterati expect? The continued denial of any opportunity to debate the key issues of immigration and integration by the Far Lefts continuous playing of the race and diversity diversion serves only to infuriate. The public see and directly experience the impact of mass immigration on their lives. They see the QT show trial as another attempt at dissembling and obfuscation. If politicians insist on continuing to play the man and not the issues the already abysmal level of intellectual political debate will record new depths of unfitness for purpose.

Peter

This was so predictable. Why should we be surprised. It enforces what many have said many times - unless the main parties address the reasons for voters inclination to the BNP they will continue to garner votes.

The solution is in their hands - if they have the balls for it!

TrevorsDen

I agree that this reinforces worries about free publicity that the QT show gave. (I am surprised the BBC did not replace Dimbleby with Forsyth such is their interest in 'ratings'),

However I think this is just crude 'push polling' and does not reflect a real intention. The whole danger of this charade by the BBC is nthat it makes the BNP appear respectable. But they did the same with the IRA - going out of their way to get round the Tory desire (and the will of parliament) not to have them interviewed.

This encapsulates everything that is wrong with the BBC - pompous arrogant self indulgent over powerful and institutionally left wing aunty knows best.

B@$t@rd$

Philip Walker

You can't reject voting for the BNP without considering it! YouGov also asked whether people would never vote for the BNP "under any circumstances". A Damascene conversion to proper, liberal politics would be a circumstance, albeit pretty unlikely.

What the YouGov poll should have asked is "Would you be prepared to vote for the BNP?"

Nicholas

"If anyone needs reminding that we cannot be complacent about the BNP . . "

Perhaps we should be even less complacent about the ex-student marxists actually holding power over us, especially after the "psychic shock" of the revelation that the 10 years of uncontrolled immigration presided over by New Labour was in fact a deliberate, if concealed, policy to "diversify" Britain (England actually) into a "truly multi-cultural society". A cynical conspiracy of social-engineering and gerrymandering that was not part of the New Labour manifesto or pursued with the consent of the British people. Many of us have long suspected as much but now the truth is laid bare.

And to do this in part to get up the noses of the Right? This is an evil, self-serving party and government that is responsible for a destructive attack on a sovereign nation worthy of its most vehement enemies. Apart from the immediate consequences it has stored up untold problems for future generations to deal with.

That, surely, is the real shocking story for the Spectator to pursue? The BNP is just one of the symptoms of a disease called New Labour.

In2minds

Nick Griffin seems to be better at generating publicity than Max Clifford, and still the political elite fails to understand!

phil

There is mass hysteria over this programme and although I believe in free speech it must be with responsibility and the BBC must have known what would happen .Griffin was overwhelmed by public disgust and now seeks to sue the very people who gave him his chance.-Alice where are you ?

Vulture

Probably the only thing now standing between the BNP and an electoral breakthrough in Liebour's immigrant-colonised ex-heartlands is the rather retarded nature of Griffin and his cohorts.

There is nothing wrong with an English nationalist party per se - the Scots and Welsh have ones that now practically govern them. The problem with the BNP is the Nazi roots of its leadership and their dimness. However, these things can evolve: Signor Fini, for instance, used to be a Mussolini-loving fascist. Today he and his re-invented party are the mainstays of Italy's centre-right government.

One thing is certain, though: so long as disastrous Dave and his custard-soft brand of blue Liebour retain their slippery grip on the 'stupid party' so long will the BNP grow and flourish.

The ideal solution would be a merger between UKIP and the BNP to replace busted Liebour - but both Farage and Griffin have egos the size of elephants, so it won't happen.

To quote Orwell's '1984' is there is any hope it lies in the poor, betrayed proles.
The shameful, stinking rotten political class that misgoverns us have led them - and Britain - to the brink of extinction.

Dennis Churchill

I posted these results on Coffee House last night. They were predictable to anyone who operates outside the political and media village.
We are now told that the Chairman practised the audience in Booing before Nick Griffin came on. May I suggest this is denied or clarified by the BBC before it gets spread even further?

Multiracial and multicultural (as far as the latter exist) societies vote on ethnic rather than class lines. Possibly our “Brilliant” political class, dripping with their PPEs, could consider this.

Hard as it is for those living in London to believe but the English not only exist but also there are tens of millions of them.

DavidDP

This merely reinforces the need to have Griffin cross examined more. The more that people become aware of his racist and fascist views, the less they will want to vote for him.

This is a decent country. When the rest of Europe was falling to extremism, this country soundly rejected Griffin's predecessor Oswald Moseley.

DavidDP

"unless the main parties address the reasons for voters inclination"

The way to defeat the BNP is not to become them, but to explain why what they call for is fundamentally wrong and indecent. From nationalising industry to institutionalise racism, anti-Semitism and homophobia.

Republican Tory

Whilst I cannot stand Griffen or his ideas, his appearnce on question time has now made it far easier to have a debate on this issue without the political correct brigade tagging you as some sort of racist or little Englander. I have found that I have had more debates at work and with friends in the last week over this issue than in the past 10 years. The depth of concern on this issue is far deeper than many relise or want to realise. We have a problem in this country, we all know we have a problem in this country. Hopefully we can now start to address these issues in a balanced way.
My real worry is the fact that with this idiot in charge the BNP still got a million votes, what would they get with a Jorge Heider type leader?

Vulture

@TrevorsDen:
Point of clarification, Trev.
Yesty you castigated me and like-minded real Conservative CH-ers as 'BNP fellow travellers'; 'warped minded'; 'ridiculous' and so on, after we had dared to faintly suggest that nasty Nick and his unlovely party were...ahem...making a point about unlimited immigration that no other party wanted to make, and were indeed suppressing..

Today you are (rightly) all over the blogosphere drawing attention to the hugely important Telegraph story abt Andrew Neather, former adviser to the criminal Bliar, admitting that such mass immigration was a deliberate attempt to swamp Britain with alien cultures and socially engineer today's multi-culti mess and 'rub the noses of the Right in diversity'.

So what happened Trev? Overnight conversion?
Whatever - welcome to the real world.

Cjamesk

One word; "Immigration" If the main parties nail this then the BNP vote would be reduced significantly.
It`s time for an adult debate in regards to this issue.

Sam ARMSTRONG

Oh for God's sake how much more hand wringing must there be? Stop stamping your feet, it's been 2 days now, move on, start to address the problem seriously in your work as a journalist instead of stumbling around scratching your head in a daze.

Wilhelm

Peter

Went to bed after QT at 1.00am turned on BBC radio 5, and lo and behold I heard Fraser Nelson scweeeching about the BNP, he was like a hysterical bleeeding woman on the deck of the Titantic who needed a good slap and I quote '' Nick Griffin is going to establish The Fourth Reich''

Get a grip, Fraser

He was on the Dotun Adebayo show, probably one of the worst interviewers ever, inarticulate, a stumbling, mumbling oaf. Google a photo of him, he looks like Shrek.

Jez

Cjamesk;

They're not going to.

Read the signs.

The reaction on all levels to the QT debacle (on all fronts) is probably an indicator that we could all be moving into the 'beginning of the end' in regards to the mainstream establishment.

That is, as we know it right now anyway.

Doug

Talking about a single data point in the polls is irrelevant. It would be more important to compare polls before and after. From what I heard the headline numbers for the BNP went up by 1 or 2% - well within margins of error. I wouldn't have been surprised by this poll before Question Time and I'm not surprised now.

logdon

QT only highlighted the fact that any BNP bigotry is more than matched by the left/islamist alliance.

This nails it. Here's yet more evidence of the double standard and anti white racism. No arrests? Course not, they're Muslims aren't they? Arrests are reserved for 'racist revving' whites. Or nurses wearing crosses. Or, indeed anyone who opposes these death wish crazies.

The status quo is reversed. Norms are destroyed. These people are threatening Wilders with death, even using Theo Van Gogh's fate as proof as to what happens if you happen to speak up. And the repercussion from our law and plod? Zero.

This is utter madness. Griffin speaks against the madness and he's the bad guy?

Britain is, at last waking up. The anger is palpable. We’ve been discriminated against. We’ve been silenced and censored. We’ve been insulted. Enough is enough and the tide at long last has turned.

Good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjHtR21XHi8&NR=1

Augustus

Scanning the headlines in the supermarket yesterday it was amazing to see how the popular press managed to get the basic facts wrong about Griffin's remarks. It seems that most Western journalists can only repeat the lies of anti-Western fanatics. But the one person that must be most admired is Geert Wilders. He is one of the few European politicians with guts. If anyone deserves a prize for his valiant defense of freedom of speech it is certainly
Mr Wilders. He does not give in to pressure from Muslim fanatics, nor from the appeasers
in his own country, the EU, or Britain. Perhaps all is not yet lost in Europe, for if the West is not ultimately willing to fight this battle, a form of slavery will inevitably come one day, and then perhaps slavery will be what it deserves.

Merlyn

No matter how much the NUJ members demonize the BNP, we still need to have someone lead us out of this awful mess. No, burying your collective heads in the sand won't do it, nor will calling us Nazis if we complain.
We are on the brink of WW3, wake up!

Wilhelm

All the nutty comments from the Spectator about the BNP have completely and utterly backfired, So Nick Griffin has some hokey ideas, but lets put that to one side, shall we ? Give the guy a break, nobody is perfect in this world

The central issue is this, that our cities and towns all over Christan Europe are being invaded by third worlders.

According to a survey out this week, 425,000 are coming each year, a truly truly frightening statistic. I dont want my children growing up speaking Arabic, thanks, but no thanks.

Think about it , Peter.

Wilhelm

Phil

'' I say, I believe in free speech, yes, I truly do, blah blah blah.''

No kidding ? you could have fooled me.

Wilhelm

If we truly lived in a democracy instead of a rigged gerrymandered voting system, the BNP would have 40 MPs.

And just think if we had Geert Wilders, he would be British prime minster.

logdon

And here we go. At last the truth. This is dynamite stuff and had it not been for Thursdays show trial would this now be aired?

Labour let in migrants 'to engineer multicultural UK'

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:06 AM on 24th October 2009

Huge increases in immigration over the past decade were a deliberate attempt to engineer a more multicultural Britain, a former Government adviser said yesterday.

Andrew Neather, a speechwriter who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, said Labour's relaxation of controls was a plan to 'open up the UK to mass migration'.

As well as bringing in hundreds of thousands to plug labour market gaps, there was also a 'driving political purpose' behind immigration policy, he claimed.

Official policy: Huge increases in immigration over the past decade were 'a deliberate attempt to engineer a more multicultural Britain'

Ministers hoped to change the country radically and 'rub the Right's nose in diversity'. But Mr Neather said senior Labour figures were reluctant to discuss the policy, fearing it would alienate its 'core working-class vote'.

On Question Time, Mr Straw was repeatedly quizzed about whether Labour's immigration policies had left the door open for the BNP.

Writing in the Evening Standard, Mr Neather revealed the 'major shift' in immigration policy came after the publication of a policy paper from the Performance and Innovation Unit, a Downing Street think tank based in the Cabinet Office.

The published version promoted the labour-market case for immigration but Mr Neather said unpublished versions contained additional reasons.

'Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.

'I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.' The 'deliberate policy', from late 2000 until 'at least February last year', when the new points-based system was introduced, was to open up the UK to mass migration, he said.

Mr Neather defended the policy, saying mass immigration has 'enriched' Britain and made London a more attractive and cosmopolitan place.

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of the Migrationwatch think tank, said: 'Now at least the truth is out, and it's dynamite. Many have long suspected that mass immigration under Labour was not just a cock-up but a conspiracy. They were right.

'This Government has admitted three million immigrants for cynical political reasons concealed by dodgy economic camouflage.'

The chairmen of the cross-party Group for Balanced Migration, MPs Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, said: 'We welcome this statement which the whole country knows to be true.

'It is the first beam of truth that has officially been shone on the immigration issue in Britain.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222613/Labour-let-migrants-engineer-multicultural-UK.html#ixzz0UqzLJLJv

David Parker

Whilst immigration and the EU remain topics which the three main parties still refuse to address, support for the BNP will continue to rise, not necessarily because people want to vote for that party, but because they are otherwise disenfranchised and wish to express their anger at this.

Both the MSM and the BBC continue to describe the BNP as an extreme right wing party, which is totally incorrect. They are proud to call themselves a National Socialist party and the majority of their other policies, such as these exist, are of the extreme left wing variety.

A vote for the Greens also represents a vote for the extreme left, leaving only UKIP with a genuinely centre right agenda. It will,of course, be argued that a vote for UKIP is a wasted vote in that it would only result in another term for Labour, however, it is by no means certain that Britain would tolerate another Labour government and such a government might be very short lived, leading to a radical reform of British politics.

Boudicca

Including me. What did it for me was the derision when Griffin tried to explain that there IS such a thing as indigenous English people and the panel/audience howled him down.

This must be the only country on earth that has NO indigenous people. Try telling that to the Scots or Welsh; the French or Italians; the Native Americans; the Aborigines; Maoris etc.

In my Constituency, if it came to a choice whether or not to vote BNP to oust a Labour MP I would hold my nose and vote BNP. Fortunately, it won't but that's how much I hate and despise Labour for what they have done to this country and the indigenous people - particularly the white working class.

Jez

I posted this video earlier this morning on the 'week that was' comment section.

Your blood begins to steadily boil over as the film progresses.

Unless your part of the establishment, that is.

Maybe their blood will run steadily colder and colder as they watch this- realising their free gravy-train ride on the back of the electorate is (again maybe) coming to an abrupt halt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-NNCaM6Td0

Martin Williamson

Of course Labour are responsible for rise of the BNP

Which political party has been warning us for years about Labour's policies of socially engineering Britain away from a homogenous society, the so-called "enrichment" of mass 3rd world immigration into the UK, and enforcing the new Utopian paradise of multiculturalism?

Why is a very ethnically diverse, divided country more desirable than a homogenous one? Is it easier to control? Divided we fall?

Who voted for this policy? Have the people ever been consulted about it? Is there a party we can vote for to register our anger?

After Question Time I went to the BNP website and it was refreshingly without spin, unlike all spin soaked labour sites.

mitch

If gordon brown and his ahem! goats had stood for election and promised then what they have actually done you would think them insane and they would have been wiped out.

Freedom of speech is sometimes unpleasant to some but its better than the alternative so stop whining and if you don't like Griffin and his ideas don't listen.
Gordon brown makes me want to smash the TV so I just turn it over .....see! free speech and the off buton.
The more the chattering classes scream and cry about the BNP the more attention they get and then they modify the message to sound more reasonable and then......pow!! they are in power.

logdon

'All MP's will be Muslim. Ish'alla.'

Shahid Malik MP and 'British' Government 'Diversity' Minister.

So his definition of 'diverse' is that all MP's will be Muslim?

That's Islamic diversity for you and we prattle on about Nick Griffin?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttz8-ucWhYc

Dirty Euro

I do not want to burned alive in a concentration camp by a skinhead a with rape fetish. People who vote BNP are mainly evil skinheads who are the cause of most problems in society.

Jez

Is this actually true?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

The 'rats' of truth are finally 'coming-out' as their ship starts to go down, it seems.

What's coming next?

Rob C

I don't believe that the majority of people who 'might' support the BNP are racist. I would also say there are a large number of them who aren't against immigration in reasonable numbers, but in parts of the country, shear numbers amount to more of an 'invasion' than immigration. Couple this with high unemployment, a clear lack of resources and no democratic process and there is a breeding ground for the likes of the BNP.

Nationalism of this type is made worse when democracy fails and I strongly believe that the slippery slide into EU integration - against the wishes of the majority - is creating a powder-keg. I'm a nationalist in that I am proud to be British and I used to be proud of Britain. We don't do enough to celebrate the good aspects of what being British is. However, I'm not racist and openly welcome anyone wanting to come here willing to work and abide by our laws - as they have for generations. Being British to me isn't an exclusive club that you have to be born into, but nor is it being 'European' any more than being human.

I cannot honestly say however that under no circumstance would I vote for the BNP because like a great many people, I don't want to be part of a EU superstate unless the majority of British citizens vote for it! The BNP and UKIP seem to be the only parties that can comprehend that! Although I was once an avid supporter of an open and free EU market, the authoritarian attitude of government and the EU's own incompetence has poisoned this. I would now be more likely to vote out altogether. We should be giving more voice to our citizens, not taking it away and everything the EU does dilutes the individual voice more. We must co-operate with other European countries economically, politically and militarily, but each country should have its own voice, representative of its people. That means no EU President, Foreign Secretary, army or otherwise. The 2nd Irish referendum has convinced be that there is absolutely nothing democratic about the EU and if they can have a second vote on the Lisbon Treaty, we can certainly have a first on our own EU relationship! Perhaps England should do like the Scots want and have a vote on devolution? We don't need one big superstate to pursue a common purpose - it serves only to marginalise and just like Ireland, The Basque Separatists or the Scots it will inevitably stir up varying degrees of nationalism. As we know from the first two of these, this can have terrible consequences. We must not bypass democracy and the main parties need to address these issues as a matter of urgency. If they do, the BNP will fade into history/irrelevance.

Verity

Sorry to be so ubiquitous, but I’m on my first cup of tea. No one who loves our country should vote for David Cameron, who is one of them. Mr Clever Clogs PR man who believes he can win an entire election of discontented and betrayed British people with a couple of PR sleights of hand. Like firing Patrick Mercer on a false charge in order to kow tow to immigrants. That’ll show those uppity whites. Cameron makes me as sick as Jack Straw and Tony Blair and that is going it some.

The Germans were the brightest, as so often. They never gave the Turks rights of residency. They could be bunged out at any time so had to mind their ps and qs. The French banned the burqa on school premises no matter who felt their religion had been “insulted”. And years before that, they banned anyone wearing Islamic gear from working in any public office in France, even the local mairies. No burqas; we’re French. Islamics in France would be arrested and thrown in the clink for holding up signs denigrating the Republic.

Verity

One last post and I'll stop infesting this thread. In the US, a nation built on immigration, they don't put up with crap. The airport taxi drivers in (I think it was) Chicago) are mainly Muslims. Yes, there's a surprise, I realise. Anyway, in the way of Muslims who cannot resist trying to elevate themselves over normal people, they started, at the airport, to refuse to accept any passengers who were carrying duty-free liquor. Oh, and blind passengers travelling with guide dogs.

Americans do not fear being politically incorrect by complaining, and they complained to the taxi authority. The taxi authority politely tried to reason with the taxi drivers - "see, taxis are public transport, not religious vehicles" but the Muslims, feeling they had a bit of power, refused to back down. So the authority said, "Fine. The next cabbie who is reported by a member of the public for not being allowed to travel in a cab because the passenger has a guide dog or is carrying alcohol will have their license removed. Permanently."

Worked a treat.

Fergus Pickering

What I saw was five rich establishment prats in front of an audience of clap-happy leftie 20 year-olds ganging up on a poorer man they none of them liked. What did YOU see.

logdon

Speccie, have you noticed a trend here?

Unless our 'free and frank' media steps up to the plate they'll pretty soon join that soiled group called MPs or the other one called Bankers in the public's eye. And, even worse, increasing irrelevance.

OK, here goes.

Whilst I agree that mob rule is not the way to go, I will also state that if you can't recognise this explosion of pent up emotion as a wholly righteous reaction to the petty creeping tyranny we British have been subjected to over the last twelve years, you're either not doing your job, or worse, not even qualified to do it.

A key plank of the Fourth Estate's raison detre is holding whatever government is in power's failings to scrutiny.

We've witnessed the amazing job the Telegraph did on expenses, maybe the press coup of the decade, yet on the even more fundamental argument of what it actually is to be British all we see is wallowing platitude and formless rhetoric from our media. Not one outlet brave enough to really defy this Marxist multicultural tide of national destruction.

It’s taken this two bit, tin pot semi nonentity, Nick Griffin and one BBC show to blitz the comfort zone complacency and idle torpor and suddenly the media is ablaze. And the worst bit? It’s all as if it came from nowhere. From a clear blue sky of radiant happiness, transformed in one night, in one BBC programme to what we’re witnessing now.

Where have you been?

Where are the frank and fearless Pulitzer journalists of yore who actually exposed real corruption and political mendacity?

Who, rather than joining that lowing herd of politically correct bovines actually told the truth, no matter how unpalatable in metropolitan salons, we all know to be painfully evident, yet you lot studiously ignore?

Lemming like we’ve been lead to the precipice edge and it’s taken this third rate rabble rouser to say no, I will not jump.

Now it’s as if a kind of cloying, dead hand narcolepsy has been lifted. This man is saying that the Emperor and High Priest’s of multiculturalist moral relativity have no clothes and in one day all hell breaks loose.

Time for all media to take stock. You are either with us or against us. That’s what it boils down to.

If Britain has any chance of survival as a thriving free and fair nation, and I believe we still have the spine to reclaim this right, our press, tv and above all our national broadcaster has to realise who should hold the trump cards in a democracy. It’s not single issue demagogues or people intent on national destruction. It’s that forgotten bunch out there called the majority.

Minorities of course should have a voice, but not to the extent it drowns out the rest. That way madness lies.

At least one good thing has arisen from this volcano of a week. At least we’re talking.

And the unlikely propellent of this is Nick Griffin. For that one thing he deserves all our thanks.

biggestaspidistra

Vulture:"The shameful, stinking rotten political class that misgoverns us have led them - and Britain - to the brink of extinction."

And the media. I think Spectator journalists in particular bolstered that 22%. Certainly the orchestrated howl that one man might have an unacceptable opinion and must be silenced caused me to look at their website (which is a little creepy and too socialist for me but if I lived in Oldham, Burnley, Rochdale I might get over that).

logdon

Jez,

logdon
October 24th, 2009 1:01pm

Dennis Churchill

The Guardian seems to think that sabotage is the way forward. Their Technology Correspondent seems to be suggesting people should hack into the BNP site to disrupt it!
Our Masters will crush the Resistance.
Random searches for Subversive British Nationalist literature may be next and re-education camps, staffed, no doubt, by Diversity Officers, set up in remote areas.

pete-s

Now the news is finally breaking today something that we all had guessed, that the vast immigration is deliberate Labour policy. The disclosure by Andrew Neather will not only boost the BNP vote further, but may even spark a general election.

jon dee

Having commented on a previous thread of my unease at the dire QT performance and it's likely consequences, I am saddened though not surprised at any growing support for the BNP.

Though I remain disgusted at the bullying behaviour of the chair and panel, with the honourable exception of Baroness Warsi, and dismayed by the composition and response of the studio audience, I question the BBC strategy.

I supported their right to invite Griffin and admired their rejection of people like Hain.

However, on the night they made no effort to debate and defeat BNP claims point by point. Instead, and clearly to plan, they embarked on a sickening drama of bombast which may have encouraged BNP support but sickened many more moderate.

There must be reasons for their decisions and they would have involved much discussion.

Perhaps they could let us know ?

logdon

Boudicca
October 24th, 2009 1:13pm

Seconded.

Are we now the only nation on earth which will not recognise our own core nationality? I actually mean, gasp the English. Remember them, anyone?

Imagine going to Pakistan and telling them that you, a freshly arrived Christian immigrant have more rights than a native Muslim. How long do you think you'd last in Peshawar, Qetta or Islamabad?

Yet that's precisely what is going on here via pc, positive discrimination and council housing lists based on 'need' rather than duration of waiting time.

They must really be pissing themselves.

Read The Likes of Us by Michael Collins and it's all there.

Summer

Logdon 2.57pm

Very well said. My sentiments entirely. Now let's keep talking until the media catch up!!

Dennis Churchill

Logdon
It has been established policy of the National Union of Journalists (NUJ) for some time that its members do not show the BNP in a good light. If you are a journalist and a member of the NUJ it is probably wise to go along with it. Just as it is wise if you are employed in the police, prison service or education (not to mention Show Biz!) not to be recorded on the BNP membership list.
Can you think of another country where a Patriot would be jeered for patriotism? Or where politicians are not even required to pretend to be patriotic?
We have allowed this to happen incremetically.The debate has been shut down.
To try to suppress the patriotism and national identity of the vast majority of our population: the English, whose very existence was jeered by the “Diverse” London Question Time Audience and panel, was always going to fail. Just as it failed in our Empire.

Maggie

Judging by the scenes inside and outside Television Centre on Thursday, the alternative to Nick Griffin seems to be ochlocracy and no-one in their right mind wants that.

logdon

Dennis Churchill
October 24th, 2009 3:46pm Report this comment

Logdon
It has been established policy of the National Union of Journalists (NUJ)"

Yet they'll vote for the destruction of Israel.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd be hunched over the screen now, Googling like crazy.

Boo Sea Cole Hiss

"We are now told that the Chairman practised the audience in Booing before Nick Griffin came on."

How does that work? Did Dimble wave his composer's baton asking for a little more passion - moving from allegro to agitato?

DZ

Nick Griffin has been insulted fairly freely on these pages. But he is not stupid, or an idiot, or mental. He went to Cambridge, an OK university, perhaps beginning to lag behind Imperial but well in front of Oxford. I assume he got a degree.

Austin Barry

I have always doubted Verity's assertion that our masters have deliberately tried to destroy British culture by uncontrolled immigration, ascribing it instead to a misguided attempt replicate the warm, multi-cultural love-in of the "It's a Small World After All" ride at Disneyland. Today's revelations of a treasonable plot by NuLabour to attenuate the native culture has proven Verity's view to be 100% correct with bells on.

The disconnect between the Establishment and governed is now so wide and perilous that the COBRA meetings must be suffused with a real fear that the abyss is approaching.

The trigger? Well, the London bombings cocked the hammer and another big domestic terrorist attack will see its descent. Thank you, Blair, Brown, Straw, Reid, Blunkett, Harmen, Smith, Balls etc. etc. Traitors all.

Dennis Churchill

Boo Sea Cole Hiss
These Hereditary Dimlebys no doubt take to these things naturally: a natural sense of rhythm inherited from previous generations of BBC Brahmins. I hope he kept a suitable distance from the Untouchable Mr. Griffin.

James

How come there's still no thread on the growing scandal of the Labour government's deception over mass immigration? This could finish Labour in many WWC constituencies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

According to Guido Fawkes, David Cameron is to make a statement on Monday.

It's a seacole conspiracy

Yes, Austin Barry, it is disconcerting to find a conspiracy which adequately accounts for reality: Government is a conspiracy against the governed, pace Conquest's Second Law: "Every organisation appears to be headed by secret agents of its opponents."

David Parker

Interesting that none of the press reports published Griffin's reply to the question of "what do you think of the BBC"? which was (I paraphrase) "An extremely unpleasant organisation, heavily biased towards the left"

TGF UKIP

Nicholas, fat chance of a thundering Speccie leader or article on the manipulated invasion. As you will have noticed from the lock step language the hacks and editor are all very much villagers just as much as the politicos.

Indeed, you will have noticed that Mr Neather's revelations got not a mention from the Coffee House hack despite their explosive nature. Indeed, contrary to what should be expected, the Warmgraph itself buried the story.

Vulture, unusually we disagree. UKIP is a million miles from the BNP being Britain's only conservative party while BNP is very much of the left economically. If you go to the respective websites you will see just how far apart they are. The only thing which is common is that they are both anti Europe and both, more particularly, agin the village which is why Griffin gets sympathy but not support from at least some Coffee Housers.

Gerard Eastick

I am English. I can trace my ancestors back to Charles I.

It seems I cannot call myself indigenous without offending someone.

Well, there is a story to tell, of 2000 years of struggle in this country, of bravery, of civil war, of the Magna Carta and the rule of law. There is the struggle that my Grandfather died for. I am not sure if he drowned or was blown to pieces, or a combination of the two.

Tell me, you intelligent liberals, The majority of immigrants in this country cannot claim such a story of bravery, determination. Instead they infest our electoral system with fraud. Instead, they claim asylum and get it, despite some being murderers, rapists and drug dealers. Instead of aspiring to the level of civilisation we have achieved, they seek to destroy us.

Do you honestly believe that British people are going to lie down, after two millennia of cultural and social evolution, of bravery and determination, and take this crap anymore?

The people will piss you out of the window. It is time to stand up and be counted. If the catalyst for this change of hegemony is a bumbling, inarticulate fool, what does it matter? We are already governed by bumbling fools who have learned the trick of manipulating the public, and lying through their teeth and sending our soldiers to fight illegal wars.

What is so bad about an alternative?

Alastair

Nick Griffin is what he is - no better and no worse than any of his appearances. The people who embarrassed themselves by their poor performances were Chris Huhne and Jack Straw as well David Dimbleby. Let's hope Dimbleby adopts the same approach if he ever gets near Gordon Brown or Ed Balls or Jaqui Smith. It would be interesting how these people would perform under the same pressure.

Pete, Scotland

I believe that Brown, Darling and Straw may have some choice quotes from their past (just as Griffin does) which may explain many of the things we see happening today.

2trueblue

It depends on how you phrase the question, and then you can engineer where you want to go with the info.
The current government have destroyed our democracy, culture, education and anything else they considered sacred to the people who live here, because they could. They had a great majority and they passed ill thought out laws because they are a pretty ignorant lot. They had a supine media who let them get away with it, and anyone who objected to their whims was airbrushed out of existance.
The BNP have found a place in a Britain that has seen the result of the above and will get seats in the next parliment no matter what we do.
Real dialogue has been needed on immigration, freedom of speech for all, the right to practice our religion and profess our faith freely, ....the list is endless. People are genuinely frightened to voice their opinions today, and I am talking here about law abiding citizens who have been born, brought up here, or come to live here legally. There is a huge majority ignored for the benefit of the few.
If people chose to live in the UK they must abide by our laws, respect our culture, learn our language and contribute to this society. It is their choice to come here.Real dialogue is needed on these matters.

If having Grifin on tv can epedite that, bring it on . It is long overdue. We need democracy back, we need this hairbrained government out, an end to talking about initiatives and get back to delivery.

Fearless Frank

Dennis Churchill: "It has been established policy of the National Union of Journalists (NUJ) that its members do not show the BNP in a good light"
The NUJ doesn't dictate the editorial line of the papers that employ its members.
They like to issue encyclicals urging their members to use expressions like "sex worker" and not "prostitute".
But I'd like to see any evidence of them actually influencing editorial policy.
The NUJ is pretty much a spent force (I used to be member) - as the press itself is rapidly becoming!

Verity

Thank you for the acknowledgement, Austin Barry. And, indeed, traitors all.

Equally alarming, on many levels, is that David Cameron has bought so strongly into the brutal, bludgeoning suppression of our nationality and our heritage. He aims to continue it.

It is alarming that he couldn't figure this out for himself, given what he surely knows of the players on the other side. (Or what was once the other side, but now is just a different branch of the same establishment.)

It alarms me that he has so little sense of his own origins and the history of his own country and affection for his countrymen that this mass immigration of adherents of an alien belief system, and their being placed in a "most favoured" category, did not strike him as bizarre and wrong.

When he was first elected, I tried to give him a chance to overcome my intuition that he's a wrong 'un. But I dropped it. He's a wrong 'un.

Jez

2trueblue;

It's brought on now. It's here.

James;

The information that you've displayed regarding the Telegraph article, i saw for the first time this morning.

This is only an opinion;

The full magnitude and level of seriousness hasn't sunk in for the UK electorate yet, i'm sure.

This is earth-quake 'tackle', as it were.

A group of people have genuinly gone ahead and (without mandate) with malicious intent, conspired to destabilise a nation.

Seriously.

And then threatened people with prison / ruin if they objected / raised concern.

The NuLab f*ck-wit that spilled the beans on this one (again without any forward idea of the magnitude of what he's admitting to) is quite simply going to go down in history for this one, big time.

Come on everyone. This last 10 years;

The immigration, the instability, the urban exodus / influx, the gang wars, riots, anti white bias.

It all makes sense now, doesn't it?

Verity

2trueblue writes: "The current government have destroyed our democracy, culture, education and anything else they considered sacred to the people who live here, because they could." No, they did it because they planned it with malice, to hollow out our heritage and mock our history, and subjugate us.

Leftism is a sickness of the soul.

Jez

Fearless Frank;

Well if the mainstream media are actually on their arses, then in the eyes of the general public they must have seemed to be giving themselves a triple shot of arsenic regarding their coverage of the BNP this last week and a half.

Scandalous.

Dennis Churchill

Fearless Frank
The Editorial Line may or may not be dictated by the NUJ but journalists still belong to the union and while it has such a policy there is a whiff of Pravda like conformity to political correct reporting.
Did you ever read an article on the BNP that wasn’t qualified By “Abhorrent” “Vile” or some other term? Now I know journalists come from a limited pool but could we at least have some reporting of the British National Party’s non-immigrant related policies? From what I can see they are a long way to the left of Labour. And no “Vile” “Abhorrent” “Scared my old Gran” qualification? Just the facts.

Dennis Churchill

Fearless Frank
Since my last posting I have been trying to think of a story about the BNP that the Main Stream Media would give a positive spin to.
BNP members donate kidneys to children’s Hospital?BNP leader sells house and gives money to Dogs’ Home? No...I just can’t think of anything they could do.

Martin Williamson

Jack Straw in his opening address on QT in support of Asian troops fighting and dying for this country mentioned that at the Military Grave site at Peronne (I think he meant Peronne Road) in France, out of 577 graves 257 had Muslim names proving therefore that they fought and died. I can’t find any, am I wrong?
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2098568

I can’t believe he would lie about a thing like that, sorry, yes I can.

Jez

I'll slip it down a gear after this one (honest!) ;)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article6888965.ece

"His obnoxious views should be dissected with a scalpel, not a bludgeon."

Very clever.

At no point are the Sunday Times, the mainstream media or any other commentators (apart from two i could think of) seem to be clever enough to even slightly mention the main reasons why people are utterly at the end of their tethers, regarding this present UK splinter.

I've three young children that i'd like to grow up in the same manor that their Grandparents did.

Now looking uncertain due to Nulab and their mainstream co-conspirators.

TomTom

Next week Question Time from Llandudno with Jacqui Smith.......This week Any Questions on Radio 4 with .....Jacqui Smith

Has the BBC fallen in love with the this larcenist ?

Dennis Churchill

Martin Williamson
Like Jack Straw’s father, Herbert Morrison,Peter Mandelson’s grandfather ,I believe was also a conscientious objector, he worked in a market garden in Letchworth during World War One, although he served in the War Cabinet in the Second World War. Too old by that time, no doubt, for military service.

Noa Zrk

Tom Tom:
Expect another rigged audience of outraged taxpayers and old fashioned coppers looking for larcenous conmen, with a righteous, sternly censorious Dimblebully orchestrating a witch hunt. Sorry, only the last noun was based on reality.

Frank P

The Daily Mash manages to put this earth-shattering, nation-changing, last-day-of politics-as-we-knew-it into perspective:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/everyone-hoping-griffin-says-something-about-jews-200910222159/

Frank P

Nicholas

You posted a very interesting comment at 11.18am on 21st October on the CH thread captioned "In Griffin's World Squaddies will have to follow their generals to Nuremburg"
(I think David needs a good headline writer - he'll never get a job on the Currant Bun);
but I digress.

I found your comment extremely interesting and responded to it on that thread at 2.25pm on 22nd October with a request for further and better particulars. You may have seen it and decided to ignore it. If so I understand. But as the proverbial hit the air cooler after QT and the blogmeisters went crazy with post after post on Griffin, I wonder if you missed it as I see you joined in the fray with great vigour and perspicacity. If you did,I really would appreciate it if you revisited the thread and responded to some of my queries, particularly in light of what has happened since. Thanks.

James

Nick Griffin's performance reminds me of that movie 300. Where Leonidas at the battle of Thermopylae, fighting in the shade, against the armies of the Persian Empire, threw a spear at the God Emperor Xerxes and was killed in a hail of arrows. That night he showed the whole world that NuLabour could BLEED!

Fearless Frank

Dennis Churchill: Very few journalists (except, perhaps, 'star name' columnists) have a free hand in what appears in print. Your observation on the way the BNP get reported is very likely true - but I doubt whether the NUJ has much to do with it.
(and, incidentally, plenty of journalists don't belong to it).

I think your comments should be directed at the press in general, not the NUJ.

Jez: sorry, I don't understand the point you're making!

TomTom

In Griffin's World Squaddies will have to follow their generals to Nuremburg [sic]"

They do thanks to Blair go to the International Criminal Court in The Hague if Britain does not try them first under the HRA.

The highest-ranking soldiers so far put on trial was Lt. Col Mendoza because they needed to fit up an officer. At Nuremberg it was Generals who went on trial....but Britain prefers to put squaddies before the civilian Courts.

strapworld

The Mail on Sunday have this story which I believe must be addressed.

The question which English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish men and women have got to ask "Who are the racists NOW"?

Also I wonder what the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Carey, will say about this story . He has labelled Griffin a racist what about Blair and Straw? Carey has to be seen to be impartial as a man of the Church, surely?

'Dishonest' Blair and Straw accused over secret plan for multicultural UK
By Simon Walters, Mail on Sunday Political Editor
Last updated at 2:26 AM on 25th

Jack Straw and Tony Blair 'dishonestly' concealed a plan to allow in more immigrants and make Britain more multi-cultural because they feared a public backlash if it was made public, it has been claimed.
The allegation was made after a former Labour adviser said the Government opened up UK borders partly to humiliate Right-wing opponents of immigration.
Andrew Neather, who worked for Mr Straw when he was Home Secretary, and as a speech writer for Mr Blair, claimed a secret Government report in 2000 called for mass immigration to change Britain's cultural make-up forever.

It also emerged that:
Home Office Minister Barbara Roche, who pioneered the open-door policy, wanted to restore her Labour reputation after being attacked by Left-wingers for condemning begging by immigrants as 'vile'.
Civil servant Jonathan Portes, who wrote the immigration report, was a speechwriter for Gordon Brown and is now a senior aide to Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell.
Labour chiefs decided to brand Tory leaders William Hague and Michael Howard as racists to deter them from criticising the covert initiative.
Mr Neather said there was a 'driving political purpose' behind Labour's decision to allow in hundreds of thousands of migrants to plug gaps in the labour market.
He said the stance was foreshadowed by a report by Mr Blair's Performance and Innovation Unit (PIU) think-tank, which said the nation would benefit from more migrants.
Mr Neather claimed that earlier, unpublished versions of the report made clear that one aim was to make Britain more multi-cultural for political reasons.
'I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date,' he said.
The report, entitled Research, Development And Statistics Occasional Paper No67 - Migration: An Economic And Social Analysis, was published in January 2001 by the Home Office, then run by Mr Straw.
Most of its key statistics came from a PIU team led by Mr Portes. The report paints a rosy picture of mass immigration, stating: 'There is little evidence that native workers are harmed by migration. The broader fiscal impact is likely to be positive because a greater proportion of migrants are of working age and migrants have higher average wages than natives.'
It goes on: 'Most British regard immigration as having a positive effect on British culture.'
Mr Portes remains an enthusiastic advocate of the benefits of immigration. He wrote a report for the Department of Work and Pensions last year rejecting claims that Eastern European workers had stolen the jobs of British counterparts, arguing Britons lacked the skills and motivation.
A former Government adviser told The Mail on Sunday: 'If the Government had been prepared to have an open debate about immigration, we would not have had the problems we have seen with the BNP. But it did not want immigration policy discussed.
'It is not a very honest Government. They knew immigration was a hot issue and they did not want to get into a fight on it.'
The source said Labour deliberately targeted William Hague and Michael Howard when they called for tougher immigration controls.
Mr Hague was accused of 'playing the race card' in 2001 when he said Mr Blair was turning Britain into a 'foreign land'. Michael Howard was called a 'racist' in 2004 after he went to BNP stronghold Burnley, in Lancashire, to denounce Labour's stance on asylum seekers.
A Labour insider suggested Mrs Roche relaxed immigration controls partly in response to the outcry she faced after criticising begging Romanian mothers.
'She was called a scumbag,' said the source. 'She wanted to show she was a genuine liberal.'

Roy Smith

There is a reckoning approaching I can feel it in my bones. I wonder if I could apply for the job of operating the guillotine.

Michael Booth

So, Andrew Neather has let the cat out of the bag and we now know - though it was long suspected - that New Labour deliberately pursued a mass immigration policy to change the face of Britain irrevocably and to 'rub the Right's nose in diversity.' This is a shameful betrayal of the trust placed in them by the nation back in 1997 and confirmation (if ever it were needed) that they have relentless disregarded the interests of the nation in favour of political expediency. What redress do we have? How can we hold these people personably accountable for the things they have done? It's all very well saying the ballot box will take care of it, but as Verity so rightly says, we are about to replace one wing of the political establishment-elite with that of another and it will be business as usual (the business being raising two fingers to the British people).

Jez

You wrote;

"The NUJ is pretty much a spent force (I used to be member) - as the press itself is rapidly becoming!"

A common terminology in the North for someone who has 'slipped' (when regarding the overall picture of things), have lost the plot or just found themselves in a 'place' that is not of their choosing, then;

'You are on your arse'

For instance, you have a good job (but take it for granted), nice home (but neglect it), lovely marriage (but start playing the field)- or you're an exclusive body, that has ridden rough-shot over the will of the electorate, gone about daily business as if you're bullet proof / untouchable whilst bullying people with the threat of ruin at the ‘click of a return button; e.g. the mainstream press, then in any one of those instances, odds on, you're going to come unstuck or 'end up on your arse', as it were.

This is happening right now to the mainstream media- because of the loss of cash-money turnover (through the internet) and general public access to the ‘same information’ but submitted by other people with different agenda's than the ones of the MSM.

This last week and a half's coverage of the BNP and the *UTTER* flip-flop in swerving / dodging any debate on the core issues of why people like me (are turning to the BNP) are (again, to approximately 8 Million viewers on Thursday and the many million more who've been reading all this diatribe from the press) now hitting a new level of distrust in regard to the media industry and the Westminster elite.

You probably won’t have learnt this in your Universities;

You can only kick people for so long whilst their down. This before your originally perceived strength rapidly becomes apparent to everybody else as a weakness.

strapworld

Michael Booth and dear Verity do make a very important observation. Just how can we achieve, as Roy Smith says, 'a reckoning'

Perhaps if the English Democrats, The Ukip, The New party, The BNP and any other nationalistic organisation could get together under one umbrella, with one leader the British people could then have a party able to offer credible policies for this Country and, perhaps, be as successful as the Israeli party which was started just months before a General Election and won.

Expenses,The EU, The Iraq and Afghanistan wars have proved there is not a wafer between the Labour and Tory parties and Cameron certainly does not create much enthusiasm. The time for a new politics is here so we need a new party which will speak up for English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish interests first!

We have become the downtrodden in our own Country.

daniel maris

You're right about the political class (or elite as I would call them) having to get to grips with these issues. What issues:

1. Mass immigration. The numbers are insupportable, never mind the cultural impact.

2. Crime - our political elite seem to be in love with the criminal classes and do everything in their power to ensure they spend as little time in jail as possible. That can't continue without again feeding into BNP support.

3. Indigenous identity. The elite and the commentators didn't like it much but Griffin scored a palpable hit with his talk of indigenous people and how no one would question the right of the Maori people to be called indigenous. Forget the lecture from the well meaning Bonnie Greer. There is an issue here. My own view is that politics should not be based on genetic identity but on (a) a broad cultural identity and (b) a defined political community (citizenship).

Unfortunately the PC ideologues have undermined (a) instead of ensuring immigrants learn English as their primary mode of expression and understand Britain's democratic traditions. Anyone who saw the "British citizens" demonstrating against Wilders and threatening his life will see what the results have been.

4. Finally welfare dependency. People who are dependent on the state will always be looking to other "groups" within the community to see if they are doing better out of state largesse. ONce again this feeds the BNP. It would be much better if we spent our welfare billions on creating employment for people and eliminating artificial incentives to idleness.

Sadly Cameron's Toff Toryism inspires no confidence about their ability to get to grips with these issues.

jon dee

As others have said, now that Andrew Neather has let the cat out of the bag, should we view Blair's " education,education,education" as not merely a lie, but a smokescreen.

Surely, what he meant was " immigration,immigration,immigration".

Jez

Sorry i missed the first bit off!

* Hi Fearless Frank, *

You wrote;

"The NUJ is pretty much a spent force (I used to be member) - as the press itself is rapidly becoming!"

A common terminology in the North for someone who has 'slipped' (when regarding the overall picture of things), have lost the plot or just found themselves in a 'place' that is not of their choosing, then;

'You are on your arse'

For instance, you have a good job (but take it for granted), nice home (but neglect it), lovely marriage (but start playing the field)- or you're an exclusive body, that has ridden rough-shot over the will of the electorate, gone about daily business as if you're bullet proof / untouchable whilst bullying people with the threat of ruin at the ‘click of a return button; e.g. the mainstream press, then in any one of those instances, odds on, you're going to come unstuck or 'end up on your arse', as it were.

This is happening right now to the mainstream media- because of the loss of cash-money turnover (through the internet) and general public access to the ‘same information’ but submitted by other people with different agenda's than the ones of the MSM.

This last week and a half's coverage of the BNP and the *UTTER* flip-flop in swerving / dodging any debate on the core issues of why people like me (are turning to the BNP) are (again, to approximately 8 Million viewers on Thursday and the many million more who've been reading all this diatribe from the press) now hitting a new level of distrust in regard to the media industry and the Westminster elite.

You probably won’t have learnt this in your Universities;

You can only kick people for so long whilst their down. This before your originally perceived strength rapidly becomes apparent to everybody else as a weakness.

Beer Moth

Verity Vindicated

Following on from the recent posts from Michael Booth and Strapworld, I think that recognition ought to be given to Verity, in that she has repeatedly stated for many months that the massive rate of immigration did not result from a mis-management of the system, but was in fact a carefully calculated move to displace the native population - the very word used in Jack Straw's department's report - with younger, better qualified and more motivated foreigners.

As I say, Verity has repeatedly drawn attention to this and I thank and congratulate her.

During that same period, not one of the Spectator commentators has given the matter any of their time. Even now that the word is out. Nothing. Why is it that an amateur pips those who are supposed to be in the trade?

Beer Moth

Lo and behold Doc Massie applies another one of his 'you only THINK mass immigration is a problem you simple souls' salves.

Minnie Ovens

I'm so pleased to see both Mr Hoskin and, in todays Telegraph, James Forsyth talking of the real reasons for the BNP's emergence and what is necessary to counter the BNP's popularity.
The repulsive sight of the pack of hyenas pursuing Griffin, both inside and outside the BBC studios, and the supreme hypocrisy of the Panel has rebounded.
Mr Griffin is grotesque but what was far worse was the the Establishment of Westminster supported by the Media, completely misunderstanding the reasons for Mr Griffin's popularity and continuing to ignore, forget understanding, why people hate them so much that they will support the BNP.
In spite of applauding both Mr Hoskin and Mr Forsyth there was one statement made by Mr Forsyth which was somewhat risible.
"Sitting in affluent London – one of the the most successful multi-ethnic, multi-faith cities in the world"
Um, where do you come from Mr Forsyth?
Go over the river or just to the East or West and you will find a plethora of differing ethnic cultures into which other ethnic cultures or religions fear to tread.
And none of these are white anglo saxon protestants.
London is not the successful city you talk about. It is a melting pot where nothing is melting and this cauldron is coming dangerously close to the boil.
The point being that a snake can swallow and ingest a small pig but an elephant will choke it to death.
I'm hoping that The Spectator really does get it and is not paying lip service to an ignored and disdained audience because they need to proclaim it loudly and clearly so that it reaches the closed ears of a Parliament which still regards its expenses as being the priority.
But then no-one likes admitting that they have screwed up big time over the past thirteen years. Both Labour and Conservatives.

These are the words of James Forsyth today in the Telegraph

daniel maris

Well if Cameron wants to seize the initiative he should call for a public inquiry into Neather's statements and the open door policy.

He should indicate that Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK should be a member of the inquiry in view of the sterling work he has done.

Fearless Frank

Jez -
Yes, I see what you mean (I first thought you were having a pop at the NUJ, which I think has little or no say in how things are covered, however much they might like to).
You're right about the media in general, and the nationals in particular - they have bought into the same unquestioned - and unquestioning - progressive liberal consensus that has infected all the main stream parties too.
Anyone - press or politician - who defies this consenus could be set to clean up.
As the BNP may well do.

Janus

However badly the appearance of Griffin was managed by the Beeb, he had a right to be there as a representative of one wing of British opinion. The inevitable reactions of PC hecklers only reinforce the point you make, that many people are seriously concerned about immigration and in particular, Islamic influence. If neither the Labour nor the Conservative manifesto deals adequately with these isssues next time, the BNP will certainly benefit.

Fearless Frank

@TomTom
October 24th, 2009 10:29pm Next week Question Time from Llandudno with Jacqui Smith.......This week Any Questions on Radio 4 with .....Jacqui Smith..

And what an easy ride they gave the author of "How to raise a family in a bedsit".
After the bear pit of QT, the Any Questions audience even gave Ms Smith a ripple of applause on the subject of her second home shenanigans.
Any chance that the QT audience on Thursday will actually demand that she PAY BACK the money?
Here's hoping

YA

It's funny to see how people are awkward to express youself, because stuck to the PC choice of words.

It isn't "immigration" which is problem. The demographic, cultural and physical damage from unopposed colonization by uncivilized, uneducated and aggressive foreigners, - this is problem. What is practically going on, is the re-settlement of savage Pakistani, Middle Eastern and African population in the UK. These foreigners aren't supposed to integrate but to coexist at initial stage, and eventually overwhelm by numbers, by oil sponsorship, by cultural invasion, and by intimidation and violence.

Another funny thing is this PC effigy, "illegal wars". As if first and seconf WTC, Madrid, London bombings and so on - were "legal". Hey. Army is sent there to fight in the heart of Mordor, whose tentacles are on our throats. That's it, - and if that's "illegal" so be it. Last thing I want is to wake up in the same Islamic latrine, which is now spreading over half of the world.

And then, that "racist" keyword. C'mon. The cultures colonizing Britain are meticulously build on domination, both between and intra-racial. In these cultures, when 2 people meet first question they decide is who is the boss. That goes straight from tribalism and from animal kingdom. Lions run harems, too. The ways of domination, and related notions of honour, submission of females, sacrifice, initiations, have started in paganism and inherited by all further religions. Guess which one is relevant today.. Oh and this has nothing to do with these cultures' genetic makeups.. Everybody knows that such things as aggression and propensity to violence aren't fixed genetically, only skin colour (maybe).. Eeh.., we have Dangerous Dogs Act, and list of dangerous types of dogs.. No, no.. dogs and people are different. We'd better die by racists' hands than be "racist".

logdon

It's not only here but a quick trawl of mainstream media and political sites reveals a similar tale.

The journo story, (slightly amending as the trajectory of opinion demolishes their pieces) and the diametrical opposition of reader reaction.

It would seem that the posters are way ahead of the game and as commented here, something is afoot.

There is actually the real whiff of revolution in our Autumnal dead leafy and resolutely unique British air.

Are we at last reclaiming what is rightfully ours?

The astonishing (to the wilfully blind) revelation that mass immigration has indeed been a leftist/marxist deliberate strategy designed to hollow out our own English national identity confirms what many have posited.

Melanie Phillips has screamed it from the rooftops, yet according to her detractors all she claimed was the screech of a bigoted, islamophobic harridan.

So much for their prescience? These useful idiots have actually colluded in shilling for the destruction of their own nation.

The irony of a black descended immigrant telling a white resident he has no place in Britain and that if he objects to the third worlding of our nation he should bugger off defies belief. Is this the reality of Powell's whip hand comment?

Thursday’s panel actually attempted to suggest that being English was now a phantasm. We, to all intents and purposes do not exist. Our very identity is a fraud.

Bollocks! I'm here. You are here. Judging by the lie of the land of our comments we are all alive and well and certainly not the fiction that the multiculturalists would foist on the eternally gullible.

We refuse to be airbrushed from existence.

We refuse to be branded as a reactionary isolated relic of a wistful past.

We are not that group designated under the patronising and disparaging nomenclature of bloody Little Englanders.

We are not, as Patrick McGee's prisoner protested all those years ago, a number. We are the flesh and blood of the people who created this country.

The demeaning and attempted destruction of our race by these marxists and third worlders inhabiting our country would be met by outraged howls of anger in other quarters yet we are meant to lie back and allow this to happen? Or be branded, racists?

Look to me like the worm has turned. And not one moment too soon.

Bonny Greer talked of the Roman Empire in glowing terms as a proto multicultural heaven. Not so our own Empire of course which was far more tolerant.

She’s a so called historian. Has the ‘Fall’ part of Gibbons exegesis on Rome eluded her selective memory? Has the reason for the erosion of that far flung estate been expunged from her reading list?

We’ve lost our Empire and have come dangerously close to loosing our country to the lunatic left and untrammelled immigration.

Time to call a halt, raise the drawbridge and look after our own. Migration Watch’s Andrew Green gets it right. We are, putting it quite simply, full.

Michael Booth

Bonny Greer's take on British history is dodgy to say the least - her assertions on QT were questionable at the very least

logdon

Jez
October 25th, 2009 9:48am Report this comment

'You are on your arse'

The other one, Jez is, 'You've pissed on your chips'.

The act of placing said chips on a pavement whilst simultaneously urinating in an adjacent area, idiotically too close for comfort.

Says it all really.

Except.

It’s not their own chips our politico’s have pissed on but ours. Then forced us to eat them.

Nasty I know but how nastier than the reality they’ve foisted upon us all?

Still in the chip world it seems that what goes up also comes down and this Saturday night phenomena of thwarted culinary delight is, as it were, also now raining on their fried potato parade.

logdon

strapworld
October 25th, 2009 7:49am

logdon
October 24th, 2009 1:01pm Report this comment

And here we go. At last the truth. This is dynamite stuff and had it not been for Thursdays show trial would this now be aired?

Labour let in migrants 'to engineer multicultural UK'

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:06 AM on 24th October 2009

Huge increases in immigration over the past decade were a deliberate attempt to engineer a more multicultural Britain, a former Government adviser said yesterday.........

Minnie Ovens

Nice posts Logdon but Patrick McGoohan, please

Jez

Hi Logdon,

This is a historic moment (i am sure) with the release of this information regarding the NuLab policy to destabilise the nation.

'Dynamite'?

'Fat Man' more like.

This is massive.

Dixon

Whatever one thinks of the BNP or Griffin, that he or any "guest" should have been treated the way he was on that show is an utter disgrace. You dont demonstrate superiority to a "swine" by grovelling in his trough! You dont demonstrate someones guilt by subjecting him to a pillory.

The technique used was very simple: pose a string of questions in quick succession, allow him to respond to none ( "We'll come back to that but I want to hear from the man in the blue sweater" ) then accuse him of being unable to answer, allow each other panellist to hold forth at length, then repeat the cycle over again.

I would be most interested to know if anyone has actually measured the amount of time each of the panellists were allowed to speak. My impression was that Griffin was given a miniscule fraction of that afforded the others.

The irony is that this spectacle merely reinforced the very allegation that Griffin makes, that there is a cabal of "right thinking" establishment that will not allow certain issues to be discussed. Watching the show only seemed to confirm that. It can only further reinforce his support among those who were in any doubt.

The irony is, I really wanted to know how he would answer questions about whether he was a holocaust denier. Why he shared a platform with David Duke. What his relationship was with various Islamists he shared a magazine cover with. But I never had a chance to find out. Instead, the continual patronising interjections of the plum-voiced patrician establishment-figure chairman meant that Griffin was actually spared having to provide an answer to any of these things!

As far as the "white only" rule goes, its continual denunciation by establishment figures merely reinforces the perception that there is a kind of apartheidt at work in this country. Because everywhere we look, in every profession, business or "walk of life", there are a plethora of special interest groups to which membership by white people is explicitly and openly barred. Look no further for proof that this double-standard is considered legitimate and above the law than to the very existence of a "Federation of Black Police Officers" ( or whatever precise variation of that title it has, emphasising that its membership is only, solely and specifically "black" ).

Dixon

I note some traductions of other posters have occurred. In the hope of preventing this, let me say that my position is that they are indeed a very unlovely bunch of misfits but that they are also, for that very reason, a very useful bogey-man for us to threaten the establishment with. Indeed, it is delightful to see the consternation that voting for them is causing.

Moreover, I have no objection to immmigration in itself. I have no difficulty with Britain becoming a "melting pot".. Doesnt bother me in the least. But that is not whats actually happening, is it. What is actually happening is that Britain is becoming like the old Jugoslavia: a patchwork of utterly distinct chauvinistic groups who share only their refusal to relinquish their seperateness and insistence upon their own special interest. This covers the spectrum, from BNP to SNP but is most clearly and distinctly true of those who trace their origins to the Muslim parts of the Indian subcontinent, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

I would love to see "British" refer to people of such descent embodying freedom and enlightenment. Unfortunately what I actually see in my scrying jar is more like the Balkans after Tito. It is ugly. But I fear it is also now inevitable.

Nicholas Storey

The main stream parties have lost credibility: after the misleading of Parliament over the Iraq invasion, Parliament itself turned to allocate its time to: fiddling around to pretend to ban fox hunting, while the economy must have started to collapse and then they turned their attention to banning smoking in public, as the state education system crumbled around them. Moreover, leaving aside whether there are enemy aliens being allowed in to take over (as is often hysterically claimed), the UK is a small country and it is simply over-crowded. But fear of being branded 'prejudiced' against this one or that one means that Parliament is unable to stem the tide of mass-immigration.

The result is that ignorance and thuggery are at large and roam the streets at will. Law and order? St Austell is one of the roughest towns in Cornwall and they demolished the old Police Station; built a new one and then moved the force 14 miles away to Newquay.

It's all a big job for some tough main-stream politician to have the wottsits to stand up and tell it like it is.

First, they have to inspire confidence and then, for a change, they must do something about it all. I recall with irony, Blair's chanted mantra of "Education, Education, Education" and what a mess it is in, after he has gone.

The current short-comings and failures are the reason that neo-fascist barbarians are at the gate, yelping like bitches on heat and the dogs are sniffing around to see what's out there. I am reminded of those lines from Yeats, as he contemplated the rise of fascism in Europe:
"What rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

Dixon

As for this conspiracy theory that the left deliberately planned immigration for some ideological reason, its daft for two reasons.

Firstly, it is inherent in the "internationalism" of socialist doctrine anyway, so its like saying Santa and his elves have a secret conspiracy to invade peoples homes with gifts. Ah, isnt that integral to the Clausian mandate?

Secondly,it isnt supported by the basic principle of "follow the money". Who benefits from mass, particularly illegal immigration? Employers, OBVIOUSLY. The people who benefit most materially from mass immigration are not the left ( who will lose support, as we now see ) but capitalists of all creeds, who can obtain cheaper than dirt labour, free of legitimate employment security or welfare commitments and undercut the wages of the indiginous population whilst they are at it. Why do we hear the refrain "Nobody but immigrants will do this job". Because...obviously...no employer is willing to offer a realistic wage for doing any job that they can get foreigners to do for peanuts.

If there is any conspiracy it is this...between low-brow capitalists and pseudo-socialism, to drive down the market value of an indiginous persons labour.

J K

The real scandal here is the way in which Labour have used mass immigration to cynically boost their voting base. Of course any opposition is then branded 'racist'.

No matter that the House of Lords report on the economic impact of immigration shows marginal benefits at best.

Then you have the impact on social cohesion (see the studies on social capital by Robert Putman at Harvard) and crime.

Bouchard

I cant help laughing at all of this, a few years ago Nick Griffin looked like a criminal with his wonkee Eye and his incoherent mutterings
Now he looks rather handsome and all his policies seem to make sense.
So what changed ? actually nothing except people of all classes are starting to wake up to the fact that islam in this country, its original immigation under the radar of general indian and pakistani inception in the 1960s and 1970s and its population increase since, is in fact a real danger to our culture and our belief system as established from Magna carta to Winston Churchill.
I dont think many people where that bothered about immigation a few years ago except for fringe groups and white people living in areas of mass ethnic minorities, extremists and skinheads.
The difference now is that we have found that one group, islam are not playing the nice lets fit in , be bus drivers and road sweapers doctors and nurses.
They shock horror have organised developed a counter cuture, built mosques , used our benefits systems and grants to do it , ignored our democracy and created their own courts, which they have established in their areas of mass occupation such as birmingham and blackburn.
Formed their own schools using tax payers money to teach islamic studies.
Used the politically correct mantra which they regard as a weakness of all non muslims and unbelievers to elect representives of their interests to the uk parliment as "islamic advisors".

Glad everybody is finally waking up, but the problem is not immigration, black people are not a threat , they as a group largely fit in and mostly intergrate and are pleased to do so. ( except for the muslim ones of course) east/western europeons mainly white have been coming to this country in droves for hundreds of years and in only one generation have integrated totally, my step daughter is Russian been here since she was 8 years old , all her friends call the chavey Russian as she has a local english accent ( only in front of her friends of course)lol
Her friends at Grammer shcool include a black girl who sleeps over at our house quite a lot she has a local English accent too.
My point being is that I can hardly be accused of being a racist by the PC and multiculti brigade, much less by those main streamer labour/tories lets do nothing parties.
Islam is a real threat!
It is organised
Has a political motive and goal as well as a religious one, as to them there is no difference.
Is a global belief system which does not recognise national bounderies or patiotism except where it protects islamic culture.( they will be quite patrotic when they have a cresent moon in the centre of the union jack) and does anybody still beleive that that could not happen now??
Most people deep down are racists its human nature, we in this country because of our history and laws and culture have always tried to be a slightly better country than the rest of humanity and supress where we can and it is not a threat but as I said I dont beleive this is about racism, But I do believe this IS about counter culture, politcal influence by that counter culture and the loss of our already fragmented and increasingly fading sense of national identity.

God Save the Queen and parliment LOL