The EU prepares for a Conservative government

Michael Booth

For God's sake NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

strapworld

The Tories should concentrate on restoring sovereign power, not scoring worthless political points!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Blackburn, in your next epistle please, pray, tell us how we restore sovereign power whilst within the EU with Blair as President?

That you could come to such a conclusion worries me. It goes with most of the CoffeeHouse blogs recently. I think the Left wing have taken over.

Blair, as it has been identified in the Mail on Sunday, flooded this country of ours with immigrants to create the mythical multi culturism, such a disgraceful act plus the worse one of sending our young men and women to their deaths and serious injuries to an illegal war and to Afghanistan (where no shot will be fired-remember) means that Blair should be on trial for war crimes and treason.

Mr. Blackburn I worry about your topsy turvy mind!

Francis Atterbury

Never. I'd much rather have Merkel, Gonzalez or even d'Estaing himself; they have the advantage of never taking their respective countries to war on a lie, or bankrupting them through fiscal incontinence.

Strappara

Are we barking mad? Europe does not want Blair- His actions while in office should be under severe scrutiny as part of a criminal investigation but whitewashes and silence prevail. The "Bold Statesman" Tony Blair has brought shame to Britain on the international stage in the opinion of many ordinary Europeans who view the prospect of his Presidency with abhorrence. You have only to read the comments in the European Press & on the Stopblair Online Petition to evidence this.There are some eminent EU Leaders like Sarkozy who perhaps wish to cling to the gold dusted coat tails of Mr Blair. Mr Sarkozy after all is loathed in France & unlikely to win the next election - he is on the lookout for connections and opportunities. Who can forget Blair's final globe-trotting months in office as he scoured the four corners in search of pecuniary advancement? And very successful they were too.He is apparently beyond the law, making decisions which benefit himself at the cost of thousands of lives. The idea that he should be considered as president of the EU is abhorrent, and his nomination should be rejected. Between 6 & 10 million demonstrated against his actions in 2003. He now uses his warrior contacts to line his ever growing pockets & drinks gold sprinkled cappuccinos. Signatories to the Stop Blair Petition now at 40572 signatures http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stopblair/signatures.html.How we can even contemplate putting at the head of Europe a man whose inappropriate & disproportionate response to 9/11 unleashed a sequence of disaster & death, beggars belief.
Balkenende & Lipponen both seem to be honest, modest and in possession of some integrity in stark contrast to Blair who may yet face his crimes and pay for them. One lives in hope.

Janet

I agree. I somehow feel that William Hague still harbours a grudge against Tony Blair who beat him in the election following which Mr Hague resigned his leadership of the party. I am also most upset that following ratification of the Lisbon Treaty an EU President will be elected and that a British political party would prefer to have another European in this post. This is despite clear signs that Obama intends negotiating with the EU collectively.

If David Cameron does want to win the election, his opposition to Tony Blair's candiditure will cost him votes - particularly those of women. Does he really forget that Tony Blair won three elections? I thought he was after those votes?

I am not sure that I can agree with you that Germany and France are somehow worried about a conservative government. Indeed, reading the European press I feel that by associating themselves with a rag bag of extreme parties in the European Parliament the opposite is true. William Hague apparently had to offer an explanation to the US Secretary of State over this alignment.

Whatever, I think the conservative party has come out badly in all of this. I am appalled at how petty they are. How foolish of me - what else did I expect from William Hague. Oh I forgot one other thing - how dreadful it is to make an awful lot of money on leaving office. Not the done thing at all. I somehow think that the bile towards Tony Blair relates to this.

Andy Pandy

We expect intelligent commentary from this blog and not this puerile euro rubbish. The recovery does not depend on air miles from overpaid self important politicians but that they all get off our backs. I think most us well understand exactly what William Hague was meaning.

Boudicca

"If the EU intends the President to project European commercial and diplomatic interests to the Americans and the emerging East, then it should ignore the Tories’ opposition to Blair. Despite past history, Iraq and his current habit of interrupting his jet-set lifestyle to lecture on climate change and materialism, Blair’s international profile and popularity in the US and China would benefit Europe and, dare I say it, Britain. He might not be the Global Statesman of the Year, but Blair is ideal for this seemingly absurd but important job. "

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Rubbish. The man is a warmongering, egoistical, hypocritical compulsive liar. He promised the British people a Referendum on the EU Constitution at the last GE as well as promising that he would serve a full 3rd term if he won. He and his Government broke both promises. If he had not given a commitment that there would be a Referendum on the Constitution, the chances are he would have lost the election.

As far as I, and many other people are concerned, the British ratification is the Lisbon Treaty is illegal. To have the architect of the policy installed as EU President might, and should, cause a riot.

oldtimer

The Conservatives were quite right to express their opposition to Blair as President. If Hague`s remarks have indeed blown the wheels of his bid, then they should now be applying a wheel clamp to the Millichump bid to be the first foreign minister.

Paul T Horgan

The Tories are worried that the leader of the opposition from 1994 to 1997 will become the leader of the opposition from 2010, except instead of facing Cameron from the opposition benches he will be sitting in Brussels and wielding executive power.

This is not unreasonable. A Europe in the mould of President Blair would be instinctively anti-Tory.

The fact is that integrationalists in Europe have never liked the Tory Party.

Perhaps it is because Tories, from Thatcher through Churchill to Pitt (let's omit Lloyd George for sake of argument) have always seen off continental politicians who have argued for a Greater Europe.

Battle 2807

Er yes, and how exactly can the Conservatives "restore sovereign power"? Do please feel free to tell them.
NO ONE restores sovereign power from the EU. What planet are you living on, David?
I agree with you that T Blair and the EU are made for each other - undemocratic, corrupt, troughers etc. But I fail to see what good that does for the UK.

Frizby

Trouble is that Blair is despised in this country and to see him unelected to a position of even greater importance on the world stage is too much for the stomach to bare.

Democracy is becoming ever more so irrelevant in this modern globalised world. We should be electing these officials. Rather they are being imposed on us. The world is in bad shape.

Liz Brown

If, against all that we hold dear, a president os forced upon us, then please let it be a placeman who will work to the will of the latest EU plonker to talk to him/her, whatever, but the last thing that is needed is a megalomaniac like Bliar to mould the ill defined rôle to his liking

Tankus

bloody well done .... Hague ...! respect !

Sea Neather Cole

If the UK is to remain within the EU, Blair for Prez is not an option - should he be anointed then the wrath of the British public will smash to smithereens any lingering doubts about continued membership.

JohnAnt

"Blair is ideal for this seemingly absurd but important job."
Isn't that the point? It is absurd and overpaid. We don't want this supranational quango to flourish, and we reject it.

Noa Zrk

Sending Blair to Europe as @El Presidente' would be like putting lipstick on a pig before it went to the Ball.

biggestaspidistra

"The first EU President will define the role. If it is filled by some Beneluxian nonentity European nations will cease to be as prominent, both economically and diplomatically, on the world stage, which, as we emerge from recession, would be disastrous."

I suppose this is saying 'without Blair Europe will be nothing' and a variation on the 'Fog over Channel. Continent isolated' concept of the outside world. Those Benelux countries may well have a few entities amongst their politicians.

Roue le Jour

Is that unusual sound I hear the sound of the Conservatives' testicles dropping? About bloody time.

Blair was able to do so much damage in Britain precisely because he was a popular figure on the world stage. Regardless of how much one detests the EU, That's no reason to inflict him on the European people.

Ian Walker

Sweet revenge for Mr Hague! Lovely job.

JohnPage

The Tories probably told other EU governments that a President Blair would significantly increase UK anti-EU feeling and starkly expose the democratic deficit, forcing an incoming Conservative government to take a hard line rather than rubbing along with business as usual.

By the way, the Spectator style book probably discourages a phrase such as "past history".

Chuck Unsworth

So, Mr Blackburn, please detail what good Blair may have done for his country to date. Cui bono? Solely his, I suspect.

Meanwhile we are faced with clearing the Augean Stables of the Blair/Brown regime. Sadly neither of these two cretins will be around to answer for their vicissitudes.

Irene

I hope it's true.

IH

Of course it's an issue if Blair is selected! If it's true, then well done Hague!

Diogenes

Nonsense. The EU President post is wholly irrelevant and unnecessary. A non-entity to fill it is just what it needs. Has your correspondent thought of applying?

mitch

So we get blair as prez like we got brown for PM eh? unelected except by a locked room full of people who owe him their positions.
If the EU is ever to work it has to be democratic and we all have to vote on this and many other issues.
As for blair, he is a liar and a war criminal and would never speak for me on any issue.His answer to any problem seemed to be lie first then declare war.

Alfred T Mahan

I think he'd be perfect. It would totally enrage the British people, and so confirm their dawning realisation that the EU is about jobs for failed politicians that public opinion would swing against the EU to levels that make Mugabe, Hoxha or Kim Il Sung's 99% look positively paltry.

David Boycott

"The first EU President will define the role. If it is filled by some Beneluxian nonentity...."

Exactly. Let it be filled by a nonentity, so that the post attracts the derision it deserves. The last thing we need is an accomplished politician taking the role and building it into a substantive, unelected and undemocratic office and seat of power.

Mirtha Tidville

One is reminded of the famous phrase of Ian Paisley...

NEVER NEVER NEVER

Fearless Frank

Can anyone tell me (and this is a plea for information not a sarcastic comment) how the President and various other roles actually get chosen?
And how do the candidates get selected?
I read somewhere that Blair was the UK's "official choice" (I gather he may no longer be) - how did that come about?
Interesting that Obama intends to negotiate with the EU as a whole - how does that sit with the US's support for democracy?
At least as important as who the favourites are is the question of how this whole murky business takes place.
The idea of St Tony as Pres is pretty sickening - but the the idea of any president - let alone an unelected one - is hard to stomach.

ron nowicki

Would David Cameron dare to make a dramatic gesture and announce that if Blair becomes EU president, he will withdraw Britain from the EU? Or else, call for a referendum asking if the British want to withdraw as a form of protest against the man who (mis-) led us into the Iraq war?

Would David Cameron, if he becomes PM, dare to make a dramatic gesture and declare that he will withdraw Britain from EU membership if Blair becomes EU president? Or else, call for a referendum asking the voters if they wish to withdraw from the EU as a protest against the man who (mis-) led us into the Iraq war?

Chris

Sour grapes!

Hague- the little pipsqueak who Blair thrashed to pieces!

Charles

What better way to increase the power of the EU President than to put an ambitious and effective candidate in as President.

I can see why the Tories would rather a "Belgian non-entity" than Blair...

TrevorsDen

I would rather eat my own liver raw than have Blair as EU president. The fact that it WOULD define the role is why he should be fired out of a cannon rather than appointed EU president.

And if Hague did not have a grudge against Blair he should not still be in politics.

Duyfken

Mr Blackburn, I really despair of your opinions. Perhaps you would be better employed at the New Statesman, rather than at the Speccie.

Thomas

What on earth are you talking about? The less credibility the bureaucrat-in-chief has the better. Let Europe hang itself, we want no part of it.

Andrew Cadman

Lack of imagination from Mr. Blackburn.

Think what you like about Blair, he is highly charismatic, cunning, amoral and ruthlessly ambitious.

I think he is the only politician who would have the political skill to bind Europe into a oligarchical dictatorship irreversibly. Europe is almost there already, but with Blair in charge it would become a certainty.

mac

@ Janet:
That nasty Willie Hague, those nasty Conservatives eh? What effrontery, to brief against Saint Tony when what our nation needs is a fine, upstanding New Labour paragon to shepherd us all to ever closer, integrated EU Nirvana.
Er, no thanks.

Oh, and which Blairite luminary do you spin for?

Bardirect

Is this perhaps as sign that despite their contempt for Britain other UE leader fear losing their cash cow?

Peter From Maidstone

Duyfken, I agree. Why is David Blackburn writing for the Spectator? It seems so very odd since he obviously does not share the opinions of the readership. But then I am not sure that the editorial line represents the readership.

Mazza1230

Blair is a shameless Mountebank.

David Phipps

Mr. Blackburn,

"The EU must placate a fiercely Eurosceptic conservative government."

And what planet are you living on? How can you write those words when David Cameron has stated that is Lisbon is ratified there is nothing he can do.

Ye gods man - call yourself a journalist?

Vulture

The fact that a commentator on a (hahaha) 'Conservative' politicial site can seriously suggest that this charlatan, war criminal, traitor and thoroughly evil man would be a suitable EU 'President' is a wake-up call - for Spectator editor Fraser Nelson.

Just for a change, Fraser, instead of inflicting these me-tooist Nu Liebour adoring, Millipede-loving, Purnell worshipping berks, how about giving a job to a Tory? Yes, I know its a bold concept...but think about the advantages.

It would at least liven things up. Given that 80% of CH readers believe that the EU is a bad thing; that Bliar is a monster;
Brown a useless weirdo; Mandelslime Beelzebub incarnate; and mass immigration an organised conspiracy by the left-liberal elite - why not have at least one writer who reflects these attitudes, rather than a team of inter-changeable trolls whose sole function is to wind us up?

daniel maris

Much "genuflection"??? Was that a typo? Did you mean genuine reflection??

Rob C

History will judge Blair as a pathological liar and I suspect generations to come will unearth far greater betrayals and deceits than those we already know of. Do we really want such a despicable, devious, greedy and unethical person as example of 'Britishness'?

John Law

"BOLLOCKS"

Scottish Cheeselog

Well, let’s see ... as Boudicca said: “The man is a warmongering, egoistical, hypocritical compulsive liar.” Add to that his excessive greed, both for power and wealth at our expense, and I’d say that makes him a perfect fit for the EU. He encapsulates its essence and epitomises everything most hateful about the entire EU existence and raison d’etre.

Alfred T Mahan has a good point and I hope he’s right, but doesn’t go nearly far enough. The EU is not about jobs for failed politicians, though that’s certainly one aspect of it. From its inception it was intended to be a power grab, an establishment of an unelected and unaccountable ruling body which would subsume the whole of Europe under a single governmental organisation. It operates through lies, deceit, spin and a total disregard for the people and nations involved. Remarkably like the New Labour project, really. As I said, Tony Blair is a perfect fit.

anne allan

So Europe feels the best best person to lead them is a man who dragged Britain into a war on the basis of lies, shredded his expenses records when it appeared that they might become public knowledge, allowed his chancellor to bankrupt the country and deliberately turned these islands into a multicultural dystopia.
Anyone would think the EU has got something against us ..... ah, hold on a moment....

MartSharm

Blackburn, you are ruining the Spectator. Fraser, please sack this apologist for Blair at the earliest opportunity. Blair presided over uncontrolled immigration PURELY ON THE BASIS OF DESTABILISING THE POLITICAL OPPOSITION. I do not apologise for the shouting.

For the Spectator to support Blair, for any reason or under any guise, is completely unacceptable.

Fraser, get a grip. My subscription hangs by a thread. Have you all lost your minds?

denis cooper

So Hague thinks that the appointment of Blair as EU President would be a "hostile act".

As far as I'm concerned the Merkel-Sarkozy plot to rush through the Lisbon Treaty in order to deliberately deny us our say in a referendum was already a hostile act - a bloody hostile act - and Hague should also see it that way.

And instead of busting a gut trying to block Blair, he should have let his appointment go ahead in the expectation that it would inflame British public opinion and therefore strengthen his hand in negotiations to get us a comprehensive opt-out from the provisions of the Lisbon Treaty, as far as that would be technically feasible, plus the re-patriation of a wide range of powers which our Parliament should never have delegated to the EU in the first place.

My conclusion?

That by seeking to prevent the appointment of Blair, Hague is actually trying to protect the EU, and his party, from the justified anger of the British public, and to weaken demands for the re-patriation of powers.

TGF UKIP

And to think I was once under the impression that The Spectator might have been a eurosceptic journal of The Right. I was clearly deluded.

And nice try, Janet, I can spot a fellow wind-up merchant when I see one but I suggest a little more subtlety next time.

Holly ......

So if Hague can not get sovereignty back from Europe, how will Griffin?
Oh yeh...referendum.
So do we vote Tory or BNP? Is there any difference?.....Don't go all racist on me.
Labour spouted Tory racist's for bloody years & the Tories never sued did they?and there is no party as racists against the Brits than Labour.So they are ALL racists of some sort.
Can't please all the people all the time.

People on here go on about there is no real difference between Labour & the Tories...so they are both left wing...same as the BNP?
It all gets very silly.

Sean Eather Cole

No, Mazza1230, Blair is a shameless ultramontanist.

Simon Jarratt

Hague wants to soften people up to accept the Lisbon treaty with a few dainty opt outs negotiated at the expense of immense political capital, which will then be dropped by the next non Tory government. A President Blair would make it more difficult for the British people to stomach this - so he is against a President Blair.

Bruce Finch

The last thing we need is Blair pursuing his failed policies on the Euro and EU defence policy with a new platform. No Blair he did enough damage in the UK. Well done William Hague

John Richardson

Mr Blackburn, you are either a liar or an idiot.
The Conservatives do not want Blair because his appointment,post-Lisbon, would demonstrate their TREACHERY to the whole country.
Not even they could try to pretend we remained a free Country with Blair speaking as our hated,unelected, highly gaurded 'representative'.
To call Cameron's mob 'fiercely Eurosceptic' is just a downright lie on your part.
You are a liar.
Why not give me one or two reasons for thinking I might be mistaken ?
I'd love to apologise.
Why not give me ONE ?
How about that Mr Blackburn ?
Give me ONE REASON for thinking you could have honestly concluded that Cameron's election winning device (still called The Conservatives) ; are Eurosceptics.
I've never explained to a columnist that his/her lies had been so obvious before today.
You are the first belive it or not.
As for not understanding William Haigue/The Conservative's position re-Blair.
I do not think you are telling obvious lies ; instead I do not think you have figured things out.
Hence my opening sentence.

Mark Hewitt

Tell me Scappara would you rather have Blair who was prepared to stand up against two of the worst dictators (Saddam Hussein and Milosevic) that ever inhabited this planet or should we go back to the situation in the 90s where the bureaucrats of the EU sat on their hands while atrocities were being commited in Bosnia. Or maybe we have Chirac who was complicit in the murder of millions in Rwanda and actively supported Saddam.

How dare you call Blair a war criminal when these people I mention have real blood on their hands.

Michael

Aww and he's 'converted' to catholicism and everything. Just not fair.

Ian Walker

Here's an interesting point - under the Human Rights Act I'm entitled to participate in elections for those that govern me. If I don't get to vote for the EU President, doesn't that breach Article 3 of Protocol 1 of the ECHR?

Any lawyers that know their stuff on this, please comment.

Hawkeye

If Hague has put the boot into the EU Presidency the good for Hague. Pity he didn't take the whole d*mn EU down instead.

R King

Janet
Doesn't it occur to you that a lot of us hold a grudge against a lying war criminal whose only place he rightfully deserves in the EU is at the Hague............. ON TRIAL for WAR CRIMES!!

elanfea

Well I'm all for it so long as I can organise his inauguration - along the lines of what happened to poor old Guido......

Archie

Funny! I could have sworn I was at The Spectator, or is this the "new!, improved!!" NuLabour/EU-friendly Telegraph?

old fogey

Easy to say I know, but what Hague should have told the ambassadors was, if Blair is in, then we are out. Blair is the only man(courtesy of US bankers), with the exception of the makers and fitters of artificial limbs, to have benefitted from the Iraq war. Further he also sold this nations interests for personal profit by reneging on the promise to hold a referendum on the EU constitution/treaty, after being advised that the possiblity of the new EU presidency was in the offing.
But aside from that is the fact that this would be a celebrity appointment, not a serious one. Blair is incapable of standing up to the big boys, not up to the task of detailed negotiations against hard headed competitors. He is a lightweight, eager to please but loathe to stand up for a position if it entails unpopularity.

2trueblue

Ironic that the man who promised and denied us our vote on the EU could be president. What a terrible outcome that would be. This is a man who lied so that he could take us to war.

egh

Thought I'd try a little commie re-inscription :))

Q: What's black and white and Red all over?

Neu A: The SPECCIEeeee....

David Lindsay

"The EU must placate a fiercely Eurosceptic prospective Conservative government."

Is it 1st April?

Verity

Mark Hewitt - such an old Sixth Form debating trick that I am surprised you are positing it. It's along the lines of "when did you stop beating your wife".

Al

Oh Dear,
Why all this exaggeration? What´s happened to the English love of understatement which is a love of realism? Tony Blair is irrelevant,the presidency of the EU likewise. The problem is EU itself. The imposition of "irrevocable" decree agreed by our elected representative governments (The Council of Europe. This secondary superimposed legislation we can do nothing about.

Fergus Pickering

Mark Hewitt, if you think Saddam and Milosevic were two of the worst dictators, then you should really get around more. Saddam was just an average Middle Eastern ruler. Fire and the sword, don't you know. ASnd the Milosevic body count was quite smal when you are considering, but obviously you are not, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, various assholes in Central and South America, the Emperor Bokassa, Mugabe, Idi Amin, prett well any rulerin the Congo or whatever it is curently calling itself, Charles Taylor... Good God, man, you cannot be serious. I agree that Blair is not a War Criminal, just a preening, primping, illiterate, lying arsehole.

Naomi Langford-Wood

In the scheme of things je suspect it doesn't matter who is President of the EU.

The EU is corrupt anyway or it would have its accounts signed off.

However, the fact that Blair apparently wants the job and alledgedly engineered the creation of the job, speaks for itself.

He can TALK or, HE can talk!

It may all turn to a pile of poo if he is indighted for war crimes but politicians going on trial and presidents going on trial happens too.

Arthur

...and if the Conservative aim is to hold a referendum and secure a withdrawal vote, Tony Blair would be a perfect President of the EU. He is mendacious and deceitful, and his unpopularity with the British electorate might galvanise the withdrawal vote.

...unless, of course, the Conservatives know this and, as they want to remain part of the EU, will not support his damaging appointment.

Dorothy Wilson

Will you please stop referring to the "President of Europe".

The EU is not the same as Europe.

The postion you are writing about is not the President of Europe. It is the President of the EU Council. This point was empatically made by Barossa in a EU Parliament debate I was half watching on TV recently. Conflict between him and whoever is appointed on the horizon?

Also, there is a danger that if the position is referred to as "the President of Europe" and, heaven forbid, someone like Blair is appointed it will give him the excuse to grab ever more power.

Minnie Ovens

There is a slight logic to your point of view in that Blair is an Atlanticist and of such morally repellent ethics he would fit right into Europe.
I do have a feeling that if you really want an increased Europhobic Britain bordering on outright rebellion then this would be the way to do it.

JONNY

'If David Cameron does want to win the election, his opposition to Tony Blair's candiditure will cost him votes'

Don't be so gullible Janet and get taken in by that odious smirk.

JONNY

Having read your rant Mr Blackburn, I have to point out to you that Cameron is the most anti-Europe PM you are ever going to get.
Period.
So calm down. Take a deep breath. And wake up to reality.
As from time to time I have to tell my children: in this hard life you don't get everything you want.

Amadeus Plonquer

Makes you think doesn't it? So if Tony isn't good enough to be Emperor of Europe according to the good people of England then who is? I think I have the solution. John Prescott.

Let's face it, Prezza has all the credentials. He speaks fluent French (or at least he sounds like he does). He's a greasy fat bar steward like the Belgians. His non-homophobic credentials are safe in the knowledge that he and his 'ship-mates' had many a happy shipboard night off Nicosia.

Prescott's escapades with his diary secretary will also have the Swedes pining for the days when fat blokes wearing nothing but socks could have sex with nimble blonde nymphs while smoking a pipe. Euro-nostalgia for the days when human beings still had pubic hair.

Prescott is perfect for the job. In fact the only black mark against him is his preference for American cars. Jaguars.

From Minister for Leftovers to Emperor of Europe. Now that truly is New Labour.

Dorothy Wilson

"I am not sure that I can agree with you that Germany and France are somehow worried about a conservative government. Indeed, reading the European press I feel that by associating themselves with a rag bag of extreme parties in the European Parliament the opposite is true. William Hague apparently had to offer an explanation to the US Secretary of State over this alignment."

You are wrong Janet. Hague did not have to offer an explanation to Clinton. The subject was not even raised during the discussions they had. This was simply a smear story put out by the Milipede.

And the continental press I've been reading is against Blair as President of the EU Council but there is some support for the Milipede as high rep or whatver the grandiose title is. Interesting that the little multi-legged creature has today made a speech supposedly supporting Blair for the President of the EU Council. However, and if that doesn't work out, his hidden agenda had all the hallmarks of a pitch for the high rep. Failing that, of course, he wants people to know what a good candidate he would be to succeed Brown.

Talk about hubris writ large.

Disenfranchised of London

Now if only they'll realise that the whole Lisbon Treaty is a hostile act then maybe we'll get somewhere.

Tim Standbrook

Tony Blair ... pah! Like 26 countries are going to vote for a guy who took us into Iraq. Prepare yourselves and gird your loins for a Euromuppet like Guy Verhofstat (sp?).

More to the point - when are we going to get a petition together to oust the poisoned Gourd. That would at least give Labour a fighting chance in May next year.

Tim

davidke

"Hague- the little pipsqueak who Blair thrashed to pieces!"
Hardly. Hague routinely thrashed Blair in PMQs. But PMQs don't overturn huge majorities.

Geoff Miller

The Socialists are on the way out across Europe. People are waking up.

Why on earth would you elect someone like Blair when he, and they, have done so much damage to the UK?

One plus point however. If he does get the job the backlash will be so bad that Labour may be lucky to keep their deposits in any seat they contest.

Andy

I see the whole EU drive to a federal superstate as a "hostile act". I'd like to have a say before the juggernaut mows me down.

Andy

daniel maris October 25th5:52pm:

"Much "genuflection"??? Was that a typo? Did you mean genuine reflection??" Nope, they went down on one knee in front of a false god.