CoffeeHousers' Wall, 26 October - 1 November

Peter From Maidstone

Question: Why is there an almost universal media silence on the Neather revelation? Is it not true - then why is it not being countered? Is it true - then why is no-one making a squeak about it?

Tiberius

Are UKIP incompetent or victims of an injustice?

The comments are as important as Christopher Booker's piece.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6426032/Ukip-faces-bankruptcy-after-Electoral-Commission-appeal.html

Verity

Melanie Phillips on Neather's revelations that Labour deliberately, and with malice, set out to hollow out Britain's history and change the population.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html

After reading Mel's excellent, stringent piece, read the thousands of comments below it. Clearly I was hardly alone in having believed all this was done deliberately, to change a Britain they hated into a multiculti hellhole.

It's obvious why Jack Straw hates Britain, but I wonder what Tony 'n' Cher's grudge was. And Harriet Harman and all the rest of the scum floating around the foetid communist pond.

alicambridge

Have all the parties neglected the youth vote? Young people are less party-loyal, angered and disenfranchised by the system, and a fairly unpredictable force in politics. Is there a generational gap that has been under-appreciated by the major parties?

Ed P

Peter from Maidstone has a good point - where is the furore about NuLab's hidden immigration policy, surely the underlying cause of the rise of the BNP? There was Straw sitting with Griffin, knowing full well his (Straw's) policies were the reason behind the rise and therefore the appearance on QT. It beggars belief!

Verity

Sorry, forgot to mention that the link I posted above was for Melanie Phillips discussing the Neather revelations in The Mail. I did a Tiny Url and forgot that you wouldn't know what it was about.

Nick

I'm surprised that no one from Coffee House has written up a CH post on last week's Spectator debate at the Royal Geographic Society on whether the Left is dead. The debate appeared to be well attended (c 250) and I'm sure many people present there would like the opportunity to debate further various of the issues raised.

I think an apology from Minette Marrin would also be in order. Tickets cost almost £30 and it was obvious Ms Marrin was totally ill-prepared to speak in the debate.

dribbling idiot

Peter from Maidstone. Good Question. The left have form on social engineering. All over the country, Labour dominated councils experimented with moving problem families into "leafy" areas. All that happened, surprise, surprise, is that drugs, teenage pregnancy and violence was imported into places that had hitherto been nice to live in.

The reasons for this are obvious. The biggest is vote gerrymandering - import benefits dependant families and you import Labour votes.

As for this revelation, it is astonishing that it had taken so long for the penny to drop. For years the Police have sat on crime statistics that reveal rises in crime due to ethnic minorities. (It is very difficult to get the figures, for they show trends that are not part of the liberal narrative.) The revelation that the Government has been pursuing a hidden agenda is hardly a shock. Everything this government has done, including Iraq and Afghanistan, has been done by obfuscating the truth, and by smearing anybody who dares to step out of line.

Never mind. The worm has turned. A catalyst appeared in the form of a nervous, bumbling fool who is probably a racist nutter. That does not matter. Nick Griffin is not important as a movement, but as an individual, he has become the agent of change that this country has needed for a decade.

He will do for immigration and multiculturalism what Thatcher did for the unions. Everyone hated her, but, would you go back to the days of Union tyranny? Thought not.

Irene

I don't know if it is true but someone has said that Cameron may be preparing a speech on Labour's immigration scandal.

I miss Fraser!

In2minds

Tiberius @ 1.38pm wrote “Are UKIP incompetent or victims of an injustice”? I would suggest the former. So the next question is why?

Welsh Drinker

Can someone please tell me why our current government constantly tell us that we are multi cultural, multi racial, multi religious as though that is some kind of virtue and something we should embrace and promote? All the multi’s are the problem, but so many of our labour MPs now depend on the multi votes, and they will not countenance any criticisms.

We are governed by liars, with more liars as our only option.

Straw is an odious man once described by Barbara Castle as a man of "guile and low-cunning and as for next week's QT "star" guest Jaqui Smith - well need I say more. Parliament is an Aegean stable. But Nick Griffin and the BNP are not the people to cleanse it.

Who is?

Tiberius

Verity: to be able to stomach being in the British Labour party, you have to suffer from self-loathing. Wanting to destroy your country kinda follows on easily.

I think our only disagreement is on how to get rid of this destructive creed.

DavidF

I'd like to add my voice to those asking why the Andrew Neather piece in the Evening Standard has been so pointedly ignored by all but the Mail. It seems to me that almost more than anything else this treacherous Government has done this is quite the most despicable. Anyone can hold the view that unrestrained immigration is good for the UK. It may call into question their sanity but they are entitled to the view and to act on it if it has been put to the people upfront and honestly and they have still been voted into power. To keep quiet about it because they knew it was an election loser and to do it in order to rub the noses of the opposition into a situation they would deplore but wouldn't be able to reverse is beyond dishonest; arguably it should be illegal. As a window into what passes for a soul with New Labour, this is more revealing of their mean-minded hypocrisy than anything else they have done (apart from Iraq). Some vision, some legacy!

Kevyn Bodman

The Neather revelations should be the biggest political story of the decade so far.

Deliberate deceit because they knew they'd never get electoral approval for that policy.

Clearly not done in the national interest of the nation as constituted at the time because it was designed to change forever how the nation is made up.

Clearly done for narrow party advantage, importing client voters.

Is this the greatest peace time treachery of any British government?

Evil.

(Melanie Phillips is superb on this.)

Vulture

Straw is -against fierce competition - probably the slimiest creature to have crawled out of the primal slimy soup of current politics. But there are many others.

For example, I turned on the BBC 5pm news on R4 yesty to hear the appalling news of two Al Quaeda bombings in Iraq which cost 150 lives.

Without missing a beat this was followed by a 'programme' presented by Gavin Esler ( apparently the second he has made) devoted to someone called Sami, recently released from Guantanamo and currently resident in an Islamist hellhole - either Somalia or Sudan.

Even under Esler's soft-as-putty questions it rapidly became apparent that Sami was not the innocent victim of mistaken identity he pretended to be, but a long-standing Al Quaeda agent who has used his job as an Al Jazeera journalist to funnel funds to Al Quaeda groups all over the Middle and near East.

Instead of probing this, Esler's show was totally devoted to a string of unsubstantiated complaints about the treatment the poor lamb had suffered in US hands..insults to the Koran, that type of thing. The whole effect was anti-US, and anti-western, designed to enrage Muslims.

In the interests of balance, when is Esler going to make a balancing programme abt the fate of hostages held by Al Quaeda who normally end up being beheaded in front of video cameras rather than granting lenghty interviews to sympathetic BBC journalists?
No, I'm not holding my breath either.

Behind lily-liberal facades Esler and the BBC are enemies of freedom.

David Ossitt

Over half of Tony Blair’s cabinet were ex Marxist or ex communist but nobody ever mentions or reminds them of the atrocities committed by Mao Zedong or Joseph Stalin.

It would appear that the only hate figures we are allowed to despise are the one’s that we beat in the war Hitler, Mussolini and General Hideki Tojo.

And of course that poor chap that the BBC used so badly on Question Time; in that they whipped up the audience into a lynch mob so that they and the panel could humiliate him.

In this endeavour the failed.

David Ossitt

Verity.

"It's obvious why Jack Straw hates Britain"

But why?

Andrew Richardson

I would be much happier if the Spectator did not so obviously buy into the political class in evaluating Nick Griffin and QT in terms of whether he is defeated and exposed or not. Let us take it as read that we don't find his views congenial but ask why is connecting as he is and what this may mean.

Archie

In2Minds: I have never bought the UKIP line and have always maintained that UKIP was an Establishment construct to siphon off the anti-EU vote.

Vulture

In these grey and gloomy days I consider it my duty at least once a week to give my fellow Coffee Housers a belly larf. Last week it was John Prescott. Today it is 'wee Willie' Bain - the Liebour candidate in the Glasgie by-election. Got to P.10 of today's Telegraph and you will see wee Willie stumbling alongside Liebour's new star Sarah 'my husband is my hero' Bruin. (The hero himself, unsurprsingly, does not show his face).

Wee Willie looks exactly like Tom Hanks (without the good looks of course) in 'Big' in that scene at the end where he shrinks to schoolboy size and his suit becomes too large for him. Willie's trousers are caught under his feet, and his litle hands have completely disappeared into his sleeves. He looks as if he has yet to experience his first ejaculation. Ye Gods, is this the best Liebour can offer even in its heartland? Perhaps they hope people will feel sorry for him. I
certainly do.

Verity

Sorry, David Ossitt - but what I picked up from the bits of QT I saw and from comments by people on the more literate blogs, and what I read in - I believe - The Mail a couple of days ago is this:

Jack Straw's father was a Jewish refugee, given refugee status in Britain. In WWII, he suddenly announced that he was a Conscious Objector. In other words, he had no intention of putting his arse on the line for the country that had accorded him safety.

Unlike other Conscientious Objectors - many of them Quakers - he also refused all non-combative tasks because of his delicate conscience. So, unlike other COs, who drove ambulances, carried stretchers, cleaned hospital floors and so on as their part of the war effort, he simply refused to peform any tasks.

For this he sat out the war at HM's pleasure, his arse safe, food and shelter guaranteed. Many people have styled him not a CO, but a coward. So Jack Straw may have grown up taunted by other children.

Nick Griffin's father, incidentally, was also called up and served throughout the war as a radio engineer in the RAF and had an honourable discharge.

Reverie

The Channel 4 news has just interviewed George Osborne. Behind Jon Snow there hung a USSR flag with Osborne's image overlaid.

What was that about?

Anne Wotana Kaye

Good evening, Verity
I am afraid you are off course as far as the vile Straw ia concerned. I am delighted as a UK-born Jew to state Jack Straw is not Jewish. Even according to the stringent Nuremberg Race Laws, he isn't even a Second Degree Mischlinge. His father had no known Jewish blood, and his mother had a German Jewish Grandfather who immigrated to England. According to Judaic Law, religion is carried through the maternal line, so Straw can in no way be considered Jewish. He had a great-grandfather who was a German Jew, so he would be accepted as Aryan by the Nazis. Perhaps the reason Straw hates Britain is that his father was a conchie and a communist. Straw himself was a Trotskyite. He is also probably insane, as are most of the Nu Labour scum. I attach herewith a link, which I think you will find verifies my comments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Straw

Anne Wotana Kaye

hi, what happened to the posting I just sent?

Noa Zrk

Vulture@ 3.37pm

Canny post. I've been saving old pillows for the white feathers. Trouble is the post van got turned away from the BBC the other day and are now stuck in the Sorting office because Billy Hayes boys wanted a couple of days off to look for other jobs.

Being of avian persuasion yourself I felt you might be best placed to give me some specialist advice.

My question is:

Should I have taken them off the chickens?

Noa Zrk

Verity.
The scales have dropped from my eyes. It is now obvious that, still frantically looking for his dad, he's been throwing people out of prison right, left and centre.

Let's hope he finds him.

The old man will be able to visit him soon.

Welsh Drinker

Good evening Anne Wotana Kaye & Verity,

I enjoyed your posts

Straw is a truly vile, odious man, and this is easy to verify. You can go beyond Wiki and it becomes very illuminating. He know that dissent must be silenced through subtle, silent or legal forms of persuasion (that last bit is easier if you yourself pass the necessary laws). He has the experience and knowledge required to carry this out if popular dissent threatens what is essentially a pretty sweet deal for a government packed with Trotskyites, Marxists, Stalinists and Communists where only a man of this calibre become Justice Minister. Take a close look at Jack Straw's experience of dealing with protest and the voice of dissent:
There are people who feel so strongly that they suffer from a lack of democracy, justice and freedom under the current regime that they are prepared to do something about it. The day of action that best symbolises this movement is May Day.
And since Blair came to power, a programme to eradicate May Day, initially headed by Jack Straw, has been largely successful.
We are told by authorities that the people marching in the streets are not protestors, but extremists. Organisers were regularly depicted as extremists and efforts were made to discourage 'ordinary' members of the public from continuing with the full march (i.e. not turning up at the end where all the TV cameras are) by threatening to group them with the 'extremists'. The carefully edited crowd of determined protestors were then deliberately herded together and detained 'for their own safety'
Well done, Jack.

Anne Wotana Kaye

Hello, Welsh Drinker
Glad you are enjoying the posts between Verity and myself. I try to write without typing errors, but when I write about such a vile creature as Straw, or indeed any of those horrible s*ds, something happens and I bang the wrong keys. In fact, I've banged so hard some of the letters have actually vanished, not good for a hunt-and-peck typist. I'm not going to write anymore about Straw et al, so late at night, since I don't want nightmares. Noa Zrk presented a terrible image of Straw throwing open the gaol doors, definitely Hammer Horror Film material.

David Ossitt

Verity.

Thank you.

Alexandrovich

It’s this bloody internet. And phones. Also, we’re not hungry. To know how other people feel about this dire political situation it is not necessary to go out on the streets and ask them. One wonders if the likes of Wat tyler would have had their anger dissipated, had they been able to sit at home and vent their spleens. How was it possible for seven thousand women to march through the streets of Paris during ‘the terror’? The Gordon Riots? And so on.
I read Nicholas, Noa Zrk, Frank Pulley and all the others with whom I could not agree more and the safety valve duly kicks in. There are people that feel the way I do. I am not alone. Perhaps I should spend time on the Guardian and BBC blogs to overload the safety-valve which would, in turn, get me off my arse. Lead me to physical violence.
The fly in this particular ointment is, of course, the ease with which every whining, repugnant, extremist outfit seems able to mobilise and demonstrate at the drop of a hat. Perhaps it’s the level of protection they are afforded which encourages them.

Anne Wotana Kaye

How correct Noa Zrk is concerning Straw throwing open the prison doors. It was said ironically, but it is fact. It is surely under Straw's auspices as Minister of Justice that Jason Owen has won his appeal. His sentence is being reduced, since this foul creature "showed kindness to Baby P, by suggesting he was taken to hospital." Words fail me, not enough that NuLabour want to destroy the country by any means, cutting down Territorial Army training, etc. etc. but they continue to allow the torture of children. Every day they remain in power more lives are destroyed, and the pity is so many of them are young, snuffed out by perverted, evil so-called politicans.

EC

Frank P,

Insomnia? If it's a bomber's moon (or worse!) over in your neck of the woods then it might be safer to stay indoors and watch the Fall of the Republic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

It has to be better than wotsontv.

Verity

Anne Wotana Kaye – Thanks for the clarification. I knew that Judaism is a uterine descendency so even if Straw’s father had been legitimately Jewish, he could not have passed the designation on to his children. I was interested in the lineage you posted, and thank you very much.

I don’t have any links, but I think I recall, I could be remembering wrongly, that Jack Straw has recently implied that he is Jewish. For sure he “implied” on a TV interview that I saw when I was in Britain and caused me to sneeze into my drink, that his family were “the only middle class family on the estate”.

Middle class?

Straw’s father was accorded asylum by the British and then, years later, refused to bear arms when we were a nation at peril. He didn’t even perform Conscientious Objector war efforts like cleaning hospital floors, being stretcher bearers, running errands, etc. Jack Straw’s father, given refuge in our country during a time of terrible hardship, sat out WWII on his arse in a prison, being fed by British taxpayers who were on rations.

There are no words …

Verity

Alexandrovich, what an interesting comment!

Verity

EC - What's a "bomber's moon"?

Sounds good.

Verity

Frank P - Sincere apologies for not responding to your links. Events, dear boy ... but I will read and respond and I apologise.

Anne Wotana Kaye

Verity: Good morning,
To be politically correct and show he is one of the "multiracial, diverse citizens he blab, blabs on about, Straw would say he has Hottentot blood if it was politically useful. He is a phoney, and not to be believed.

IanB

Headline on the BBC's technology news page today is "Mandelson to set out piracy plans" - does this indicate his career path after Labour's election defeat?

Nicholas

Verity - During the early part of the Second World War the technological challenges for aircraft to navigate and bomb accurately at night, because daylight bombing had been found too costly to undertake against enemy flak and fighter defences, resulted in the exploitation of moonlight as a compromise. It was easier to navigate and bomb during periods of moonlight whilst at the same time presenting less risk than bombing by daylight.

Periods of certain moon and cloud conditions therefore become associated, in Britain and Germany, with the threat of night bombing.

The RAF went on to hone their navigation and targetting techniques and by the end the war had the most advanced and deadly strategic night bombing force in the world. The atomic bomb however made all that expertise redundant.

In2minds

A bombers moon is a full moon so bright you hardly need the headlights to drive, an ex-WW2 saying.

Frank P

Verity and EC

Seems like two of my comments have been removed from the Wall, but your responses have not. Buggered if I can remember what they were now? Perhaps you can help?

Verity

Thanks, Nicholas and in2minds. What a wonderful phrase. And what a wonderful origination. I will be introducing it into my conversation at the earliest opportunity if not sooner.

Martin Cole

I have posted on my virtually hibernating blog a rather exciting manifesto statement about to become live as Lord Pearson's manifesto for the leadership of UKIP, result of which should become clear next month.

Looking at the list of other runners it seems his Lordship is on a cake walk. How do those posting here consider this will affect the likely election outcome, especially given his objective of re-unifying the opponents of the EU?

The following is a quote from the new web page:

"Initially I declined to volunteer because I lacked ambition to lead a political party.

But I believe passionately in my country and in the democracy and freedom which so many generations have fought to win and defend, often at terrible cost, all now being sold out by a selfish and deluded generation of gutless professional politicians.

In the end it was the sheer persistence of many UKIP members and donors who said that it was my duty to offer myself to my country’s service. I suppose that is arm-twisting UKIP style!

So what can I offer you? Perhaps I should start by telling you what I am not.

In a party with 13 MEPs I am not an elected politician.

You must consider whether that is or is not a virtue. It does mean that I am available in this country, without the continual distraction of continental travel.

Certainly I am well placed by my seat in the House of Lords to articulate our case. It is, of course, Westminster where these great issues must eventually be decided.

That I am not a professional politician may be no disadvantage in an age when our political class is widely despised."

Frank P

Recommended reading for the likes of 'us':

Charles Krauthammer, syndicated columnist, interviewed by Der Spiegel, on Obama's Presidency - so far, and prognostications.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-656501,00.html

One of the best US political commentators imho; Fox gives him far too little time during his evening appearances. But the pen is his forte, anyway.

Hat tip - Gerard Vanderleun American Digest.

Verity

Frank P - Wow! Thanks for the link! Very, very good on Obama. Although he's kinder than I would have been.

Graham Clark

Does anybody have a whisper as to the General Election date? (May the 10th maybe, or June 2010?).

Or does anyone think that Pa Broone believes that the UK electorate aren't intelligent enough to make an informed choice? Maybe he will try and invoke the 'Civil Contignecies Act 2004' to try and block the Torys gaining office, as he still beleives that he has 'Work to do!'

This is all alleged of course. Gordon McDoom and Lord Meddlesome arn't that stupid - are they?

it's alright, I just get ever so slightly paranoid after 12 years of Labour Missrule, and all the anti-civil liberties legislation they have enacted - its all a bit worrying to say the least!

Honestly, I am still taking the Pills!!

Verity

Frank P - Your photo. Funny!

If you took away the two circles accompanying each image, you'd have the Conservative Party.

Ian Walker

Good article on the creeping rise of the "thought crime" from Ed West: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100014908/anti-gay-bigots-only-lend-support-to-the-tyranny-of-hate-crime-laws/

Quote: "he truth is that there is no such thing as hate crime, only crime. Hating cannot a crime, because it’s an emotion, not an action, and those who wish to make emotions and thoughts criminal are the enemies of freedom and liberal democracy. They are the ones creating a form of theocracy, in which we are punished for thoughts, rather than actions"

egh

An Uncanny Photo indeed! Siggie to his own idea of a 'T', perhaps.

Frank P

Verity

Trust you to refine the metaphor and stick it up call me Dave - LOL.

egh

That's too deep for me to swallow (as the actress said to the bishop - or in these enlightened times, the bishop said to the choirmaster).

But I was thinking more: "Dull would he be of eye, who could pass by a sight so apposite in its symbolism".

The Lord doth work in mysterious ways.

Kevyn Bodman

I don't think there is any chance at all of the government trying to invoke the Civil Contingencies Act to delay the General Election.
Do you, seriously?
Two reasons: what the UK electorate votes for matters less and less because of the power of the EU and because of the implementation of secret policies that are neather put to the vote.

All parties know that.

Secondly the use of the Civil Contingencies Act would, I hope, lead to revolutionary non-cooperation with the state that could start to undo the cosy power that politicians and officials increasingly enjoy over us.

Blair,Brown and Cameron are part of a group that are content to take their turns as long as nothing changes.

Frank P

This video clip on American Digest provided for me a welcome antidote to recent Islamist propaganda and then appeasing crap from our own government:

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/the_warrior_song.php

What a dire anomaly that the American electorate imposed on those depicted such a dithering wanker as Commander-in-Chief. Thus do civilisations disintegrate.

Beer Moth

Quite a jolt was received recently whilst watching news coverage of the hunt for these two dizzy yachtpersons kidnapped by pirates between the Seychelles and Tanzania (who'd have thought one might encounter pirates in such waters?).

A chap dressed up very convincingly in the uniform of a Commander of the Royal Navy, was consulted regarding their rescue. Turns out he was nothing of the sort, an impudent imposter, nothing to do with the jolly old grey funnel line. He belonged to something called the EU Naval Force, your Honour.

Who gives that outfit its orders? And can I ever hope to influence this authority by means of one of those old, 'vote' thingies?

EC

Beer Moth: "And can I ever hope to influence this authority by means of one of those old, 'vote' thingies?"

How quaint!

EC

Frank P: "Verity Trust you to refine the metaphor and stick it up call me Dave - LOL.

Well, I hope it pricks his conscience!

Following ongoing revelations in the press one can only speculate about the testicular deficiencies or excesses of the honourable members in the adjacent house but it can be safely assumed that the architect would not have lived long had s/he perpetrated this little witticism opposite the Reichstag!

Anne Wotana Kaye

I've just had a dreadful shock. I put on the TV, and on BBC 1, Question Time was showing. Truly I thought I saw Hyacinth Bucket in drag pontificating about expenses. It was neither Hyacinth, nor her poor neighbour Elizabeth, it was the dreaded Jackboot Jackie Smith, complete with a weird marcelled hairdo, circa 1929.

egh

Beer Moth - yes. I've been expecting that takeover for ages; posted about it a few months ago. It's horrible. Next thing we know the RAF'll be seconded to the Luftwaffe.

Kevyn Bodman

Where is Fraser Nelson's promised post about Neather?
There may be a good reason why he couldn't write it himself.
However he is in a position to instruct one of the others to write it.

Alexandrovich

Commons Leader Harriet Harman, who is due to welcome the MYPs, said this week: "We need to do everything we can to increase the involvement of young people in politics."
Yeah, I bet you do. The idealistic, the ill-informed, the sheltered and the impressionable. Perfect fodder for your next push after licking your wounds next year and then regrouping. Or is this indulgence just 'career' advice for them?

Tiberius

Kevyn: perhaps it's something to do with Andrew Neil not wanting to lose two editors...

;)

Anne Wotana Kaye

Romorrow the heavily polluted air in London will be even more toxic. Islamic extremists plan to march through London calling for sharia law in Brotain. They will be led by Anjem Choudary, Calip bin Calip, Cosochta. Do us poor citizens of London have to pay for the cleaning up job after this load of sh*t pollutes our streets? Bet the police will be protecting the scum and ignore decent protesters.

Anne Wotana Kaye

Sorry for the spelling mistakes, but when I write about this character, who is really a secret BINT, my typing goes to pieces.

Verity

Anne Wotana Kaye - Is Jackboots Jaqui's newly marcelled hair funnier, or less funny, than her previous aberration of striped hair? How would you rate it on the humour scale?

Anne Wotana Kaye

Hi Verity, I think it's funnier than her previous 60s Folk Singer hairdo. I'd give it an 8 plus on a scale of 1 - 10. What do you think?

Verity

Too bad this is at the end of the week and this thread will be coming down, but I see Mr Cameron (I can't refer to him as Dave without feeling a little bit icky) has already dropped his all-gynaecological shortlists! Cameron's Cuties are no more!

How long did he stick with that idea? Two weeks? A man of rock.

It seems the groundswell of anger and ridicule among Tories were too much for him. He had a frightening vision of his imagined future swirling down the pan. Quick! Dump the women!

Too bad he doesn't know grass roots Tories. Eric Pickles should have taken him down a dark corridor and leant into him until he gasped for breath.

Mmmmmm .... maybe he did ...

Frank P

AWK & Verity

Don't want to intrude in this conversation about the thieving pig's coiffure; but I've done some Googling to find a picture of it for Verity. My eyesight is not what it was, but I think this is her:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Marcus-Harvey-Myra.jpg

Well ... if it's not, it's a dead ringer.
How about posting it up top Pete, with the caption: 'Ex-Home Sec on QT Swansong'?

Anne Wotana Kaye

Frank P. Good day, Frank,
You are welcome to join this highly intellectual discussion. What do you think of Harriet Hardperson's hairdo? Shades of Oliver Cromwell?

egh

Before the pic goes, Frank P ~~
Oh, I see. Those worthy words "Earth hath not anything ..."
and you've even included
"That Monarch of the Road
Observer of the Highway Code..."
:))

Frank P

egh

Can't claim any credit for the picture, guv. That was a Furriskey gift. As for WW, I've been a fan since I first walked across His Bridge on early turn in my cape well over 50 years ago and glimpsed more or less what moved him; just what he was doing up at that hour in that spot puzzles me, particularly as it has been been known for dodgy assignations since Georgian Underworld times (and probably much longer).

Flanders and Swann were indeed still extant and very popular then, too, as were the 97 horsepower jobbies whose fame the duo enhanced. Both London and England seemed a much gentler place and the indigenes less ashamed of their heritage.

Now, "... all that mighty HOUSE is lying, still" Indeed.

The 'heart' I have misplaced in that quote is arrhythmic and as black* as your hat, as my old grannie used to say. Boris is welcome to it now. He exemplifies what has happened to once Great City and its culture. Mayor of London .... via the Bullington clique; editor of the Speccy, safe seat at the Regatta and HIGNFY - still wet behind the ears and gabbling multi-culti speak to soothe his constituency. I suppose he's an improvement on the reptile he succeeded.

* In the 'wicked' sense, before anybody starts to pull PC on me.

Frank P

AWK

Harriet Harperson's hairdo?

Perhaps Benedict Birnberg still does it for her as she sits at his feet.

Anne Wotana Kaye

Frank P.
Do you mean sitting or kneeling?

Frank P

AWK

You mean taking her oral exam?

Anne Wotana Kaye

Frank P. Practical of course!

Beer Moth

Well I don't care what people say but to my eye, that Jacqui wotsname is very attractive. Alluring even, in that, been-round-the-block-a-few-times, now grateful for a plateful manner.

The thinking man's Linda Bellingham.

egh

Thanks for the interesting response @ 4:42, Frank P!

Yes, I also preferred those times - I think before the Beatles went Indian. And, across the Channel, Lacan and his lot began to establish the obscenity that now rules.

Pity the indigenes can't pull themselves out of the claptrap (post-colonial, multi-culti and all) and re-view the good in our heritage.

I agree WW wrote wonderful stuff, no matter what they say about him. And if we'd paid more attention to what Marlowe dramatized - rather than what they say about him - we might have caught the present day parallel with Faustus sooner!

As you indicated: He moves mysteriously.

Verity

Quick, gals and gays! – clock Liz Truss wearing an outfit she apparently put on of her own free will! http://tinyurl.com/ycgqk8h

(She also, when a young firebrand politician, wanted to get rid of the Monarchy.)

I see that Cameron has now dumped the all-women shortlists NuLabour meme (so a man of conviction then), but, as always with Cameron, a day late and a dollar short. Too late. They had already been christened "Cameron’s Cuties" and that is not going to go away. Blair’s Babes … Cameron’s Cuties. Tarred with that brush. Exactly what we need in a Leader who will have the single-minded and courageous task of turning the entire ship of state around, rebuilding Britain’s economy and extracting us from the tentacles of the communist state of the EUSSR.

He has not scored one triumph in the years he has, inexplicably, been the Leader of the Conservative Party.

Rhoda Klapp

BM, do you start drinking early on a saturday night, to have those beer goggles on so soon?

Beer Moth

Loada.

Well into my stride, and all goggled-up, before the final scores are in. Every man needs a hobby.

Beer Moth

Archbishop Cranmer's latest:

"John Bercow is part of the BNP’s raison d’être"

Don't miss.

Tiberius

Sorry to be the rattle-snake in the lucky dip here, but Verity, (if you haven't already) do read the mag's leader this week, and you'll see why the issue of all-women short lists shows Cameron as an adaptable figure, suitable to deal with the unforseen events that a PM will have to face.

Kevyn Bodman

Here's a thought that a friend put to me earlier today.
Notice how quickly Professor Nutt was sacked, even though he told the scientific truth about drugs.
Compare the speed of his sacking with the speed,l or lack of it, with which ministers resign when they foul up.

A. MacAulay

Anyone here remember Manny Shinwell? Jack Straw's role model it would seem. It's important not to lose an understanding of the ideological continuity of Labour's attack on the institutions of the British state.

Verity

Tiberius - yes, he's really adaptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224428/Tories-U-turn-Lisbon-Treaty-Cameron-drops-pledge-referendum.html

You could have knocked me down with a feather.

Anne Wotana Kaye

Kevyn Bodman: I have long believed that alcohol and nicotine are more dangerous than some cool "grass". No politician in this country would ever admit this, firstly because they would lose votes by denying the people their pleasures, and secondly they would lose enormous tax profits if they banned these products. There are two solutions: Ban both alcohol and nicotine, and finish up with a Prohibition scenario, illegal profit making and people criminalised. The second solution is far better: Legalise everything, alcohol, nicotine, "hard" drugs, "soft" drugs, even large bars of chocolates and fizzy drinks. Let the people chose their own poison, and eventually sanity will win, and hopefully we will be left with a smaller, but far superior nation.

Beer Moth

AWK

Chocolate bars and fizzy drinks are still legal aren't they?

Kevyn Bodman

Anne Wotana Kaye:
I was surprised to learn that alcohol is more dangerous than tobacco.
But I am not going to stop drinking and start smoking.

I too think all drugs should be legal, and the real facts should be publicly available.
Muddying the waters like our politicianbs do helps nobody.Knowledge of the true risks allows people to make proper informed decisions.

In a rather strange way I can respect Peter Hitchens view on drugs;he wants them prohibited because he thinks they are morally wrong,as well as damaging.
But I disagree with him.

I pretty much go along with The Daily Mash T-shirt slogan,but expanded to cover all drugs, (and paraphrased and bowdlerised)
'As an adult the responsible drugs limit is me taking whatever I please.'

Crimes committed while smashed or stoned will still be crimes, but being smashed or stoned should not themselves be crimes.

Verity

I disagree with AWK and Kevyn Bodman. There ae legal age limits for buying alcohol and cigarettes. Drugs are available to 8 year olds, who are in no position to make such decisions.

Second, as long as you have the NHS, which, as long as it is funded out of compulsory axes, can rule with a fascist fist, the government can stop you consuming anything it feels like under the guise of being a prudent guardian of the public purse. Plastic surgery for criminals, yet. "Sex change" (there's no such thing) surgery for prisoners, yes. But it's now indisputable that smoking causes lung cancer and other lung problems, so they have tightened up on smoking under the guise of saving the taxpayer money on self-inflicted ailments.

Get the government the hell out of health care. It only gives them another stick to beat the voter with.

Anne Wotana Kaye

Beer Moth: Chocolate bars and fizzy drinks are at time of going to press, still legal, but only just in their present form. Big Brother (Sister) is insisting that the size of chocolate bars be reduced to prevent obesity (gluttony?), and fizzy drinks are berated as causing diabetes, tooth decay etc. As yet, no attempt has been made to measure the number of bubbles in the fizz, or to make it stiller.
Verity: I believe government health care is an oxymoron, and anything government handles is by its very nature toxic. I repeat, however, that if people want to destroy their health it should be their own affair. Kevyn B. I neither smoke nor drink, but my dear old childhood friend who drinks, doesn't smoke. She is a wily old bird, and bakes delicious cakes to which she adds the best cannabis. She is a veggie, so naturally she only uses organix, free range ingredients. So eat to his/her own and cheers!

Anne Wotana Kaye

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1136092/Chocolate-bars-smaller-Government-anti-obesity-drive.html

This link reveals the Great Chocolate Robbery!

MikeF

I've just been watching Channel 4. The continuity announcer gave some details of a programme on Monday night about the Great Escape in the Second World War. Specifically the programme will be looking at the events that followed the escape - the murder of most of the recaptured prisoners and the efforts made after the war to bring the perpetrators of that atrocity to justice. Fair enough - a perfectly good subject for a documntary.

But the voice said something along the lines that programme would investigate the 'revenge on both sides'. Sorry - 'both sides'. Is the moral relativism that permeates the world of left-liberalism that Channel 4 inhabits such that they cannot see a distinction between murder and the proper processes of the criminal justice system? I suspect it was mainly sloppiness, but there is still something just a little disconcerting in the fact that the words could be uttered at all.

Anne Wotana Kaye

Mike F.
Alas, the Thought Police who run this country with the aid of their mouthpiece the BBC drive sane people almost to madness. When they are not demanding that heroes like Bomber Harris should have been brought to trial as a war criminal, they are wailing about the havoc caused to cities bombed by the British airforce. Not many tears are wasted on Londoners, citizens of Coventry or any other British victims of World War II. Now, things are even more topsty-turvy. The Anti-Fascist Union is attacking those who do not want Sharia Law in all its terrible, primitive aspects to take control in this small island. Fanatics have taken up residence in our country and are pushing for the oppression of women, forcing UK born females to wear the burka, and the abolishment of all that they do not approve of. To any sane person, this is the true face of fascism, the forcing of a way of life and ethos on the unwilling. The Anti-Fascist Union is fighting alongside these Islamists to prevent English people protesting. The AFU would not protest at islamists demanding death to all Christians and Jews, as well as other creeds, accusing them of being infidals, nor would they protect the rights of churches being entitled to have singing and the ringing of bells. This is unfortunately a country that has seriously lost its way. We should all be very, very careful.

John Duckham

Anne Wotana Kaye: Thanks largely to the response from the massive majority of Muslims who are not in anyway sympathetic to the extremists: Typically the Islamic Sociaty of Great Britain at http://tiny.cc/JD87 the march you mentioned earlier was cancelled. Further comment on: http://tiny.cc/JD131

There is no serious danger of these people getting any of the things they seek; they are a tiny minority of a minority.