Learning to let go of the police

Peter From Maidstone

Fraser, I find it hard to be bothered to comment on anything while the Spectator is refusing to comment on Neather. Does any of it matter? Who cares what sort of police we have if both Labour, Conservatives and LibDems are committed to an England in which English people are the minority, in a Britain which is actually run by Europe. Indeed will the Conservatives soon be able to do anything about policing if an EU wide policy is (has been) adopted, which demands that there is a hands off approach to violent Islam?

yorkshire terrorist

It's probably because hacks like you keep propagating the myth that this is actually happening. It's not.

Pramston

But isn't it only an impression? Unless all that overcrowding in prisons is little old ladies who have parked badly they must be catching some villains. Given how hard it is to get a Court to imprison someone under politicians guidelines I'm guessing they must actually being doing quite a good job somewhere along the line.

General Zod

The myth that what is happening?

PfM, why not just shut up then and stop posting the same thing in every thread?

Dennis Churchill

As Peter from Maidstone writes what does it matter? Our Federal Government, when it reveals itself in all its glory, may not want directly elected Police Authorities.
As for Neather…the silence of the Broadcast media is comment in itself.

Irene

Fraser:
I'm with Peter From Maidstone on this.

Billy Blofeld

Yorkshire Terrorist,

I was burgled last year and had 2 cars stolen. There have been 2 further attempted burglaries on my house in the last 2 months.

This year police have felt my collar for driving at 65mph in a 50mph. I also notice that the police still have plenty of time to sit in cars in pairs trying to catch motorists.

The police should use their resources wisely to catch violent and dangerous criminals.

Bruce, UK

Because the police have become a politicized goon squad. Like all of the old dictatorships that had (and still have) the words "People's" and "Democratic" in the name of the country the UK power elite have corrupted the word "Service". Today the police are them - just like their masters - and not us.

Peter From Maidstone

General Zod, that is what is hoped. That everyone will just shut up. Spoken like a true socialist!

Mark

Today's Mac cartoon in the Daily Mail is, for me, a cut out and keep. It epitomises everything that has gone wrong with policing in Britain

Dude, it's a cartoon.

Nicholas

The problem for for the Tories, and their shadow minister for police gives this impression, is that they show every sign of continuing to trust in ACPO as the main point of reference for what policing in modern Britain should be about. ACPO are a vested interest lobbying group, unelected and with no real place in the historic role of civic policing as it was originally conceived (and which is still perfectly valid). They are also, post New Labour, a busted flush.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? There really needs to be a completely independent review of policing, preferably bringing in the experience and expertise of those untainted by the cosy, self-serving club of Home Office, ACPO and Met or the New Labour politicisation, but who still have first hand experience of policing. In 1997 no attempt was made by the government to secure or exploit the expertise developed in one of the finest police forces in the world with a long and illustrious record in focussed community policing and exceptionally effective internal security operations. There are plenty of those men and women still around who would be able to tell Cameron & Co exactly what has gone wrong and what needs to be done to put it right. And they are free of the political brainwashing and ideological mumbo-jumbo that has made so many senior Brit police officers totally unfit for purpose.

The cartoon is indeed a good one, but the depiction of the "bobby" hardly reflects the current, thuggish, para-military appearance of New Labour's Stasi, whose effectiveness as civic police has diminished as their turn out has become more intimidating, alienating and aggressive.

Peter From Maidstone

A few months ago a man tried to throw himself out of an upstairs window in my road. He was in a drunken and violent state of mind. The police took about 45 minutes to arrive and then didn't ask any of the neighbours what was happening, didn't find the man, who had staggered off, didn't check that anyone was in the house injured. Nothing. Just turned up late, chatted to themselves and drove off.

Nicholas

yorkshire terrorist. Bollocks. And what a peculiar pseudonym you have adopted.

davidke

Difficult to turn the police "service" back into a police force. Elected Chief Constables will be necessary, plus new codes of practice (adopting the protect and serve mantra), plus new training regime, plus getting rid of the politically correct nonsense and stressing the fight against crime and street disorder. ACPO will fight Cameron tooth and nail over these, so ACPO will have to go. Hope the work has started on all this.

strapworld

Mr Nelson, It is not as easy as that.

Looking at policing today and looking at it since the last Royal Commission into Policing in the 1960's, It has changed beyond recognition.

Traditional policing has gone. We now have them dressed in glaring yellow reflective coats. You cannot catch criminals wearing those things!

I doubt that there uis anyone in the police, today, who knows how to effectively police, by the use of beat policing! It can be, and was, the most effective tool.

Forget the hype and forget the televsion potrayals. The majority of crime arrests, in the sixties, was by the man on the beat. (Women had their own department and they were highly effective in dealing with Children and young persons and women criminals. They knew every problem family and they make today's 'social services' look fourth rate! That what all changed by....The Labour Party!

You have had, since the Brixton Riots, Mob policing in which police officers drive around in riot vans ready for........what?
Who brought in this change?...The Conservatives!

Police have been removed from the streets and the beat bobby of the fifties and sixties, when I joined the police, is no longer operating. Which government oversaw this dramatic change in policing?...labour and Conservative Governments.

Criminologists,
Home Office 'experts',former American police Chiefs (God Forbid!brought in to 'advise' the Home Office) and the carbon copy moulds of Home Office patented police Chiefs have all decided that what was effective, is too costly, a waste of manpower and it 'didn't actually work' Total and absolute bullsh..!

Then you look at the many 'Agencies' or quango's which have taken on many of the roles traditionaly performed by the police, look at the waste of money poured into Special Constables and Blunketts Beat Support Officers. Who has changed the police Service from what they did effectively to now?....The Labour Party!

Look also at the rise of power of the Criminal Prosecution Service. (Have you noticed how at the end of a trial of any case in the headlines that the CPS has to have a spokesperson! They have, in effect, taken over. Who brought in the CPS....the Conservative Party with their Police and Criminal Evidence Act!

Let us remember that the decisions taken by the CPS, in the main, were taken by a humble Police Sergeant at the Police Station who charged individuals and sent them to court!

Then, of course, we had a court service which had local courts. Local Magistrates who lived in that locality and knew of the problems. A Local Court dealing with local problems as they did for hundreds of years...Who changed it. The Labour Party!

These massive changes must be reviewed.

As a former police officer I have been, for years, calling for a Royal Commission into Policing.
Policing is not a political party's decision it is a matter of what the people want. How they wish the police to operate.

Policing was always by consent. The European way is much much different. Perhaps that is why politicians want to grab power by controlling the police!

A Police Constable is a unique appointment under the Crown. Unlike the armed services they cannot be 'ordered' to arrest anyone. They have discretion. I, though, have noticed that Senior Officers, today, have forgotten that very important word. They have forgotten to police by consent, the Police as you have identified, Mr Fraser, no longer police as the people wish them to police.

It is not for Mr Cameron to decide that elected police chiefs are the best way forward. I believe he should be brave and say that Policing in this Country is of the people and for the people and that he will create a Royal Commission into Policing, Courts, Prosecution of Offenders and the Judiciary.

Let that Royal Commission take a view from all who wish to submit evidence. Let them decide the best way forward for policing in this day and age. Not politicians alone.

That way he is being true to his word of placing democracy back to local people.

Lastly I have mentioned why I think the CPS should be reviewed above. Why The Judiciary? I can never understand why Judges should only come from lawyers? We have certainly had and got some pretty awful judges. I want Judges to be representative of the people they serve!

Sorry to go on.

TomTom

Policing will pass to Brussels anyway with these plans to train police to EU requirements. The regionalisation of policing in England followed by its absorption into an EU framework means it will continue to be an oppressor of the law-abiding rather than its protector.

biggestaspidistra

Zod:"stop posting"

I'm no longer posting on this but I am enjoying PetefromM's comments and everyone else's, so please don't stop posting. My own silence reflects a disappointment with Fraser, who entered with such promise.

Zod, why do people like you always want to shut people up?

Sir Graphus

This is wholly anecdotal, but there seem to be a huge number of school run mums around Surrey suburbia with 6 or 9 points on their licences, all for doing 37 or so in a 30 zone. This never used to be the case. My wife is about to go from 6 to 9 points; the police don’t even have to stop you anymore; the rozzer in question just waggled 3 fingers gloatingly at her as she drove past. The use of increasing numbers of speed cameras and decreasing levels of courtesy is irritating enough if it’s just to boost income and crime stats. But another 3 points will loose her her licence, and this will be a massive inconvenience; how do we get the kids to school? How does she shop for food? “Proper” criminals suffer no such harassment.

Paul D

Fraser, your point about the change in police priorities seems exactly right. The police should be the same as us and they should be respected by us. However, they are not as they have become part of a political, unaccountable elite – they are not on our side.

To earn back the respect of the public whom they serve the police needs to focus on a few basics: they must be locally accountable and must be de-politicised, they must stop spouting guff about criminal’s human rights as this makes people feel that the police are not on our side and, for goodness sake, just show some basic competence in catching the baddies.

Again, all this rubbish about police not bothering with the small crimes is appalling. The police must return to being a professional police force, not a police service.

Whilst I’m on the topic, they should smarten up and get fit - there are far too many overweight, scruffy coppers about – how do they expect public respect like this?

Vulture

The Tories have to demonstrate unequivocally that they are on the people's side, and not that of the bureaucratic elite.

That means dismantling the PC culture that has the upper echelons of the Police and judiciary in its tentacles, and a return of the Police to the job of fighting crime rather than controlling the thoughts of law-abiding citizens.

But we all know - as is amply demonstrated by the dropping of the proposal for elected Chief Constables - this will not happen with Dave's flabby hands on the tiller.He is a member of the PC-EU-UN elite that is ultimately dedicated to the destruction of Britain as an accountable, democratic and
free country.

Roger Daley

The local cop shop here in Hertford was a huge building on the edge of town.

The new Police station is in the centrwe of town - It doesn't have any "custody suites" i.e., cells. Naughty boys and girls have to be driven to Stevenage or Hoddeson. Their presence on the streets at weekends mostly consist of ensuring the takeaway shops are shut down at the proper time while ignoring the street fighting rabble.

General Zod

Hilarious, I'm a socialist. A lot of people I know would be hihgly amused to read that.

You are spoiling thread after thread with your shrill demands for a response to a story that has fizzled out.

terence patrick hewett

Most people regard the police as a semi-criminal sub-class to be avoided in all circumstances. What about Neather?

Sir Graphus

Let’s just be a little careful of elected Chief Constables. You might think it means the police will start investigating burglaries again, but think further. Local elections have very low turn outs. That’s how the loony left got in. Now think of Muslim areas. What if they elect a Chief Constable who hints he’ll turn a blind eye to some offences, chase white people away, etc. Already we’ve had a PCSO who chased out some evangelising Christians from a “Muslim area”. Elected Chief Constables will be the quickest way to Sharia law that I can think of.

Anne Wotana Kaye

It is a tragedy that the once respected (even by criminals) British Bobby has vanished from our streets. Tall, strong clean men, and smart, fit-looking women, represented decency together with law and order. Today, we see hordes of Police Support men and women, who do not have the powers of the real police, but are much cheaper to employ. Some, try to do their limited best, but too many are either far too fat or thin to be physically fit. They also are unfortunate in that many wear thick spectacles, which must surely limit their sight. Some barely speak English, and certainly lack the nuances of the spoken language. Finally, and I know this is cruel, many of them look right nerds, Key Stone Cops on parade!

Verity

Yesterday, I read that the police arrested a 17 year old who went to the aid of a relative who was being burgled. In the melée and the panic of the moment, the 17 year old stabbed, and killed, the aggressor. He has been arrested and stand trial.

This is the whole point of the New Labour/One Worlder Projekt ... destroy the norms of our society. Destabilise it by making everything topsy turvy, so people are cowed and frightened. Right is wrong and wrong is right. It's all part of hollowing out our country.

Verity

David ke - You're not going to get elected police chiefs.

Fergus Pickering

Anna, I don't know what you've got against fat policemen. Fat policemen are partof a glorious tradition. BIG fat policemen. Dammit Jack Warner was fat.

London Calling

A week ago a Persian cat was stuck up my garden tree and was armed and dangerous. It demanded asylum on the grounds that if it was returned to its country of origin it would be tortured. I called the police, the fire brigade and Immigration, however all lines of communication were busy and the cat later committed suicide using a can opener....

I guess there must be more important issues to deal with...

You couldn’t make it up… :0

Liz Brown

Until the police are deprogrammed from the pursuit of Liebur's subversive agenda of turning us all into cowed subjects of the Soviet Union of GB- we will not have serious crimes taken seriously

Chris lancashire

Elected Chief Constables are no panacea. What is needed is a change of culture lead by a strong Home Secretary prepared to dusband ACPO - and their profit-making company - install Chief Constables who are leaders, not bureaucrats, do away with time consuming form filling such as stop and search reports and trust the new senior management to do its job.

By the way Fraser, could you please set up a thread for all these immigration nutters so they can play somewhere whilst the adults get on with life.

Welsh Drinker

The centre of town where I tend to do my shopping is heavily patrolled by “Patrol Wardens” they are paid for by the shop owners and they certainly look the part.

They don’t seem to be aware of or have any commitment to PC behaviour. They are very fit looking and don’t seem too afraid of confrontation. Unlike our police patrols who sit in their heavily armoured peering out of the windows.

They appear to like frog marching drunks, thieves and vandals, not sure where they take them but they don’t return.

Generally it is now a pleasure to shop without harangued by beggars, drunks and the like.

Private sector wins over the public sector yet again.

Welsh Drinker

General Zod,

What an insight into your mindset. “You are spoiling thread after thread with your shrill demands for a response to a story that has fizzled out”.

The story certainly hasn’t fizzled out it hasn’t even started yet! It has huge impact on this country and certainly shows the true agenda of this awful band of Trots, Communists, Marxists and other rabble that make up this Government.
Presumably you are in favour of mass immigration.

greenslime3

I used to be a copper - in the late 70's. We used to walk around with only a couple of panda's providing rapid support when needed. People used to be able to walk up to us and tell us if they saw anything suspicious. More often than not there was nothing in it, but every now and again it led to what is the prime duty of all police officers; the deterence of crime. The other primary duties are the detection of offenders when a crime has been committed and the delivery of those individuals to the courts to be dealt with as the court saw fit. It is difficult to be approachable when your rear-end is stuck to a car seat and it is also much more difficult to see things when you should be paying attention to your driving. It is little wonder, therefore, that police officers end up chasing motoring offences rather than tracking down burgalars and muggers. I have lived where I live now for 6 years and I have seen 3 police officers in the area in that time; two in a car going about 60mph around a bend down a single track road (no lights, no sirens) - obviously late for their refs break, and the other just sitting in his car on a junction in the middle of nowhere and, apparently not doing much - he didn't look too pleased when I asked him if he was lost. Is it any wonder that the relationship between us and our servants (for that is what they are) is unravelling?

strapworld

Fraser, Having got that off my chest.

Why was I NOT surprised that David Cameron did not ask a question on Neather and Immigration.

As you have always taken the trouble to respond previously. Could I ask why Coffe House has not taken this very important revelation more seriously?

Has there been an establishment clamp down?

Frank P

I simply cannot post cogently on today's 'police' any more. It's just to distressing to look back at what was, contemplate what is and even think about what might be in the future.

The backbone of England has been removed and its soft plastic prosthetic robotic replacement is controlled directly from No.10's. basement benghazi. And the main architect of all that is now basking in the bunce of the recent birth of his 'book' and still tying to duck responsibility for the cock-up at Stockwell. A couple of the other prior contributors to The Yard's downfall are lounging in the upper chamber, dribbling away and picking up the occasional well paid retirement perks from the associates on the red benches. I wonder what Bob Mark thinks of all of this? Haven't seen or heard hide nor hair of him while this has been going on. Perhaps I missed the obituary while spending far too much time on this soap box. Can anybody update me?

strapworld

Or, as the excellent 'Lancastrian Oik' blog reminds us:-

"Is it not He whose immortal hand, engraving on the heart of man the code of justice and equality, has written there the death sentence of tyrants? Is it not He who, from the beginning of time, decreed for all the ages and for all peoples liberty, good faith, and justice? He did not create kings to devour the human race. He did not create priests to harness us, like vile animals, to the chariots of kings and to give to the world examples of baseness, pride, perfidy, avarice, debauchery and falsehood. He created the universe to proclaim His power. He created men to help each other, to love each other mutually, and to attain to happiness by the way of virtue".

Robespierre "On The Principles Of Political Morality" [1794]

Frank P

strapworld (1.58pm)

"Has there been an establishment
clamp-down?"

It's called D Notice.
The D is for dipsticks!

Peter From Maidstone

strapworld, lots of us are asking that. I sent an email to the editorial address at the Spectator and also had no reply.

strapworld

Frank P, Sir Robert Mark, the greatest policeman since Sir Robert Peel brought about the Police Force, is still alive I believe. Highly respected by those that knew him and served with him. The way he took on politicians and the judiciary. Sad that they got their way and this country has been denied the benefit of his knowledge and common sense in the Upper House.

A truly great man who could not be manipulated by politicians or civil servants!

Anne Wotana Kaye

Fergus, ssh! The PC Thought Police will have me up for discriminating against fat policemen. Seriously, if I phoned and said burgalars were in my house, I could just go and wait until they felt like coming. If I phoned and said I had just stabbed dead a crazed, armed man, they would arrive within minutes, sirens shrieking and drag me away.

Fergus Pickering

Do you know about the Italian Police who lock themselves inside their own police stations for fear of criminals? We are becoming mpore European every day.

Edward Sutherland

Off topic, I know, but why the media conspiracy to kill off the Neather bombshell revelations? I'm disappointed the Spectator has not run with this hard.

Peter From Maidstone

Eward Sutherland, the Spectator has not run with it at all, has it. In fact it has essentially just ignored it and hoped we would let it pass.

In2minds

It's good so many people can at last see the police service for what it is. I hope a Cameron aide reads the comments above. Go back to yesterdays article by Peter Hoskin about the civil service and performance related contracts, there's no reason why ACPO's finest should not be treated the same way as other civil servants.

Epitaph

The notion that the police are ignoring crime in favour of "soft" targets is completely at odds with the reality of an ongoing prison crisis. One assumes that the crimmies aren't voluntarily presenting themselves at the prison gates, so who is it locking up record numbers of villains if it isn't plod?

Rob C

strapworld... Wow - that was obviously heartfelt! Although I've never been in the Police, my partner has worked in the control room and I think she would concur with much of what you say. The police do an often dangerous job that is unnecessarily made more difficult and unpopular by clueless bureaucrats. I'd be the first for demand 'value for money' from the public sector, but the move towards 'policing for profit' is totally unacceptable. Soft targets for fines like seat belt offenses, tax discs or parking are largely irrelevant when compared to burglary or knife crime. They do however make the stats look good for the government so are prioritized.

Policing has undoubtedly changed and in many instances that is justified to keep pace with more sophisticated crime etc, but the loss of local knowledge from beat officers is definitely a major weakness. I don't even know who mine is and I live in an 'urban village'. I'm sure I could find out, but I've been here for 14 years so why research now? I know some some of the local traffic officers and because of the work I do, some of the Hi-tech guys but no-one locally. If the 'local bobby' was more known to the community then people would be more likely to pass on information and perhaps hold them in more esteem? There are also too many rules to protect the criminal that go way beyond the police and deep into the heart of the injustice system. I personally still have a lot of faith in the police, but can't say the same for the criminal justice system or law-makers. Overall, it's the system that stinks not the police.

If the need ever arose, I'd put my life on the line to go to the aid of a policeman/woman - like I would for most people, but I couldn't honestly say the same for a politician or lawyer! In fact if one of the latter were drowning, I'd probably throw a concrete lifebelt...

dnntooley

Athelstan Popkess. Chief Constable of the Nottingham City Police for nearly thirty years and despite resigning 50 years ago ( after invesigating Labour Party corruption) he is still better known locally than the current female Chief Constable.

Check out his list of firsts and innovations and you'll agree that its officers of his calibre that we need now.

General Zod

The crime situation in this country is incomprehensible.

People justifiably feel that the Police have no interest in their concerns and everyone has personal experience of evidence from friends and neighbours to back this up.

At the same time, we imprison a far greater proportion of our population than any other European country.

Are the British of an unusually criminal disposition? I don't believe that to be true, so how have we got ourselves into this mess?

Watt Tyler

The extraorinary rubbishness of the police is not happening outside of a context. When a government has an agenda that is unnatural to the the people it is governing - like an immigration policy that aims to deliberately engineer the society - then that government also needs to find a way to intimidate the public into acceptance. And so it uses Marxist political correctness backed up by a politicised police that will act to stamp out thought crime.

The police used to be about protecting property and the body of the individual. Communism denies the right of the individual and of his right to own property. Therefore property is not a priority to the Marxist-ised police.

When you accept the Neather truth, oh you Spectator collaborators, then everything will become plain. You will begin to see the reason why everything is at it is in the Labour Dictatorship.

Peter From Maidstone

I can't comment on who is filling the prisons. But you only have to watch the UK police programmes on TV to see that almost all of the people featured are then let off with a caution, and then seem to reoffend immediately.

Is there a connection between prison population and immigration/employment status? Where would be find the figures? Is the growth of an underclass and immigrant population relevant?

Something has changed. I have lived in the same road for 30 years. Since I was 16. When we first moved in I knew of no crime in the area (of course there was some). Now, in the past year, there have been rapes, burglaries, my kids know where all the drug dealers live and can point them out (why don't the police know?), stabbings, vandalism etc etc. And this is not on a sink estate.

Frank P

Actually Fraser, I've just realised what the point of the cartoon was: the thugs with the swag represent our political masters who have made off (or Madoff even) with the nation's sovereignty and heritage and are off to their 'fences' in Brussels with the merchandise. The bumbling cop who is chasing the 'easy collar' of grandma, is the British MSM (including you Fraser) who refuse to address the real political crimes, such as those exposed by Grasshopper Neather. Think on! Who is putting the mockers on you? We should be told. This is not going to subside, y'know. Unless of course you start the censoring process. It won't, will it, fellow members of he commentariat?

Michael Booth

General Zod,
Could it be that we have a legislature which churns out criminal law faster that MacDonald's serves burgers? Can't think of the figures but Blair's government achieved record numbers on this issue alone. The more things you make illegal, the more people are convicted of crime and the more people sent to prison. There's a lot about New Labour which smacks of the Eighteenth Century: extensive use of patronage; peers in key government positions; using government office for amassing great profit. There were hundreds of laws on the statute book - the Game Laws spring to mind - which could see you hang for stealing anything worth over a shilling. It's back to the future with New Labour.

General Zod

Yes, the legislature has been churning out laws criminalising every greater numbers of decent people, but these are almost entirely petty, non-imprisonable offences.

Almost the whole countyr is concerned at the reports of violent criminals being let off time and again with non-custodial sentences, but yet we imprison a greater paart of our population than the rest of Europe.

Anya

What's needed to sort the police is an immediate return to Sir Robert Peel's principles of policing. No social engineering, just nicking villains and deporting any that don't belong here. In the mid-70s I had to go and collect a couple of Italian students from Chelsea nick after they'd been caught shoplifting. They were deported the next day. Why can't we do that now? Also, when I was growing up, there was a police house in the village and its incumbent knew everybody, particularly who the villains were. He was visible on the streets and we all knew where he lived so could contact him. My mother always left her back door open and never had any problems. Sadly, by the time I left for good about 8 years ago, the house was like Fort Knox because my late mother had been burgled and her final days were blighted because she lived in fear of it happening again.

Peter From Maidstone

Anyone know where there is a breakdown of prison population by crime? I found one by ethnicity, and a disproportionate number (twice expected) of Black, Asian and Chinese were in prison compared to the population. But the figures did not say how many White prisoners were immigrants so it was not possible to make proper comparisons.

Verity

For those still seething and furious about Neather, Melanie has a new post up over on here site, and very trenchant it is, too.

Fraser Nelson

Strapworld and others - I will do a Neather blog, just to show you all there's no conspiracy. Will post tomorrow. Promise.

Tiberius

Can't see that anyone has mentioned the MacPherson report.

It is the single most important reason that our police force (sorry service) has been emasculated, and now does things similar to those shown in the cartoon. It is also the reason the Islamists don't get picked up for spouting racial hatred while other groups are harried for picking their nose in public.

The Iranian revolution, Macpherson, New Labour, ECHR. God preserve us - and three of those are self-inflicted.

Austin Barry

Frank P

Quote from Sir Robert Mark:

"The primary object of an efficient police is the prevention of crime: the next that of detection and punishment of offenders if crime is committed. To these ends all the efforts of police must be directed. The protection of life and property, the preservation of public tranquillity, and the absence of crime, will alone prove whether those efforts have been successful and whether the objects for which the police were appointed have been attained.”

So simple and for today's police so elusive.

General Zod

Now Fraser has promised you all a Neather blog, will you please stop posting about Neather in every other thread, where it has no relevance?

Naomi Muse

The MAC cartoon is brilliant! However, was ever thus...

Remember the hapless Inspector Cluseau asking the blind man outside a bank if he had a 'License for his monkey' whilst you could see through the window that the bank robbery was going on inside the bank?

Just like those reruns of 'Yes Minister'.

Don't know if its human nature or target setting or too much admin or what..

BUT

Three cheers for MAC for putting it all so succinctly.

'ray! 'ray! 'ray!!

Frank P

General Zod

Nobody gives a shit about what you consider to be relevant you myopic twat. It's your imperatives and imperious questions that are irrelevant. Mind you own fucking business and let the commentary flow as it will. That's what blogs are for.

Dennis Churchill

Is there a policy not to allow postings that have links to the British National Party Site? I ask because I have had a number of unsuccessful attempts at posting a link to a case that seems to illustrate the politicised nature of our police service/force.