Road to perdition

Peter From Maidstone

Do you seriously think that McBride is of more importance and significance than the economy? I could care less about McBride. It's the economy, stupid!

Battle 2807

After the Neather revelations, I am viewing much of what NULab have done over the last 13 years in a new light.
The use of anti-terrorist laws to snoop on law-abiding citizens, and parents. The booze culture. Education. The politicization of the police etc etc.
How much of this has been deliberate? I would venture to say, most of it.

Dorothy Wilson

The slight - or rather massive - problem is that Gordon Brown calls the date of the next election. So we are stuck with him for a while yet.

Isn't it time to debate 4 year fixed term Parliaments?

Tankus

Its getting rid of Brown and the rest of the cabinet effluent ....
Every little stab wound helps

Billy Blofeld

Well it is all fantastic news.

Brown's three worst faults are all coming home to roost at the same time:

1. The illusion of his economic competence.

2. His routine use of smears and bullying.

3. His arrogant lies (no more boom and bust. We are best placed.....)

Brown's well deserved downfall fills me with joy.

Mike Spilligan

@Dorothy Wilson: The arguments against fixed terms are well known and I support them; moreover I'd view with horror the 2-year election campaign that we'd get every 2 years. ("Today" presenters would love it, of course.)

Hawkeye

Battle 2807 said: "How much of this has been deliberate? I would venture to say, most of it."

I would venture to say, ALL of it.

I'm almost speechless with anger and rage about this bunch of inept, talentless tossers that have the sheer gall to try and run every aspect of our lives, to monitor our every thought, to tax everything - EVERYTHING - we do and then to WASTE it all. To p*ss it all away.

They're a bunch of ******* ********!

Michael Booth

I'd support the idea of fixed four year terms for Parliament - it is one part of the royal prerogative now exercised by prime ministers which needs to be done away with. I'd also be in favour of a mandatory self-denying ordinance which only allowed MPs a maximum of 3 terms as members of the Commons - about the same length of time now being mooted for serving Lords.

jon dee

Dandy Mandy and dodgy Campbell must be racked off after all the work they've put into scapegoating George Osborne.

Putting a shine on Brown's economic accomplishments, crude analogies apart, requires more than the student stuff they share with their friends at the FT.

The electorate can now spot spin immediately and lies wrapped up in smears will not bring about confidence or enhance the soiled reputation of this failed prime minister.

Only an election will do that, so spin as you will, the argument is lost.

Richard Marriott

How come the BBC Website has no reference to Nadine Dorries and the damages awarded against McBride over Smeargate? It is on the Sky Website.

Moraymint

Hawkeye ... I know exactly how you feel, but stay calm and keep going.

That said, there are some days when I'm not sure if my almost uncontrollably enraged thoughts about the nature of British politics and our economy today are justified under the circumstances, or just an age thing.

Does anyone else out there share this intense mixture of fizzing anger and total impotence that often pervades one's psyche when reflecting for a moment on the incompetent and immoral machinations of our political class?

What on earth is one supposed to do? There are days when I want to kill something, to use a turn of phrase. I never used to feel like this about the workings of our nation.

Twelve years of Marxism have all but knocked the stuffing out of me. This can't be right surely? Is this what politicians are for? If so, the sooner we get shot of the lot of them, the better, as far as I can tell.

Hang in there Hawkeye.

Irene

I was starting to think it was just me - all this rage.

This shower stumble, scandal after scandal and yet still they remain, helped in no small part by the media and press.

steve

There are some interesting comments on here already.

I am also just beginning to get the feeling that something about the last 13 years looks deliberate. My conclusion, if indeed Tony Blair's / Peter Mandelesons new labour have been doing the country in, is that Europe (EU) would never become a viable super block with a strong Great Britain still in existance. Get rid of the old colonial power by destroying its social infrastructure, and the once mighty nation will cease to be relevant. Its educated population will disperse across the other countries of Europe (like me) and with them the British national pride and strength will wither to nothing.

Once the job is done - then become president of Europe.

Jeremy Poynton

@Battle 2807 October 29th, 2009 3:44pm

Agreed. Essentially NL was - is - a Fifth Column, and 1997 a silent putsch. I say this as one who voted for them then.

Boudicca

I wonder if Brown will have the nerve to announce at QT next week that the Tories were wrong on the recession etc etc. I can hear the hilarity already .... does the deluded fool have any idea what a complete moron he sounds trying to say that his actions have 'saved the world.'

Dan

I am also relishing the day when Brown is routed at the polls....trouble is I don't think he'll be fighting the election. Labour might be utterly useless, but they're not completely stupid - they must know they can't win with this idiot in charge. Brown will be gone by January at the latest.

Welsh Drinker

We appear to be evolving into the first modern soft totalitarian state where thought police use unprecedented powers to dictate ways of thinking and sniff out heresy, with harsh punishments for dissent.

One of the principal tasks of this awful Government is seemingly to enforce a campaign to alter people's psychology and create a new Homo Britannicus through subterfuge and political chicanery.

This Marxist/Communist Government is pushing ahead with legislation that will criminalise politically incorrect jokes, with a maximum punishment of up to seven years' prison. The House of Lords tried to insert a free-speech amendment, but Jack Straw that well known champion of our armed forces knocked it out.

It was Straw who previously called for a redefinition of Englishness and suggested the "global baggage of empire" was linked to soccer violence by "racist and xenophobic white males".

He claimed the English "propensity for violence" was used to subjugate Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and that the English as a race were "potentially very aggressive". Straw presumably thought his school’s CCF was aggressive as he declined to join!

His stance on a recent QT was that we are not a race simply a compote of immigrants.

Slowly the general voting public are realizing that our current policy/lawmakers are in fact the old Communist League (remember them?) dressed as lamb. How on earth did we allow it to happen?

fasano

How can the hapless Brown claim to have a moral compass when he has enjoyed working so closely with Damian McBride,Derek Draper and Charlie whelan for so long?

Richard

Yes, someone else who is coruscatingly angry with New Labour and (for the moment) unable to do anything about it. But they will find out just how furious people are with them and their fellow travellers.

Barbara

Rage isn't the word.
And, as for Straw, one minute he's claiming the English are this, that and the other - the next, that we don't exist.
The bloke's a f****** nutter.

Thomas Cussans

Moraymint. Spot on. There days when despair seems the only rational option.

How did it come to this? How could we find ourselves governed not merely by spivs and half-wits but by an unelected prime-minister who sounds, looks and behaves like John the Baptist's nuttier younger brother, though unfortunately with access to several trillions of other people's money.

I fear, unfortunately, that Dan is right, however. Brown will be nowhere near the polls next May or June. I would love, I would relish, the moment when he has to concede defeat. But it won't happen. He will already have been long gone, a victim of his own cowardice or, more likely, Mandy's dagger.

Not that this will stop him from instantly castigating Cameron et al for the state of his, McNutter's, ruined economy.

He is beyond vile, beyond loathesome.

Liz Brown

@battle2807 unfortunately, i too have come to the conclusion that the running down of the UK, economically, socially and politically has been and is a deliberate strategy. Brown has always been a Socialist, Straw was investigated for alliances with the Communists, Darling was a Marxist as was super rich John Reid. Millipedes father was the Marxist thinkher Ralph Milliband -need we say more?

strapworld

What IF?

Events determine that Brown defers the general election because of a National Emergency.

OR

The Conservatives win the general election BUT the EU demand a re-run as they will not accept any party who are anti the EU! (It is part of the Lisbon Treaty).

In the event of civil disobedience the EU will have the power to send in troops and police from other regions (formerly countries) in the EU. They will have powers to remove to Polish, or wherever!, any troublemaker where they will be also taken before the courts in that region! and jailed there!
The EU will not tolerate any dissent.

OR

We all realise that the Conservatives will just give us words and hot air over the EU and immigration. (There is absolutely nothing they can do re EU residents moving here and also absolutely nothing they can do if the EU tells us to take in a further three million immigrants!). As a nation we either roll over and allow the EU to kick us or we decide to vote for a party totally opposed to the EU! That becomes that much more attractive by the day.

Am I alone?

Roger

I have for a long time thought that the real New Labour project was to destroy the British identity by undermining it's history, cause social upheaval by letting in millions of immigrants and finally delivering a debt ridden broken backed country into a Federal EU. Looks like they are about to achieve their objectives.
Where we go from here I do not know, but we must never ever trust politicians to decide on anything ever again.

Dogzzz

How much of it is deliberate? How much of the social breakdown? How much of the frustratingly incompetent and illogical decision making of local authorities, police, the courts, quangos? How much of the maddening, and self defeating, never ending expansion of the interference of the state, is deliberate?

Google "Brian Gerrish" and watch the expose's of the "political charity" known by the name: Common Purpose and prepare to be terrified.

Brian demonstrates, with extensive documentation, a conspiracy which shows beyond doubt the who, the where and the how of a perfect infiltration of every level of Government and society of a Marxist organisation which is dedicated to the destruction of society with the goal that their common purpose graduates can step in and be the "leaders of the post-democratic society".

Note what they call them? The leaders of the "POST-DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY" as in DICTATORSHIP!

Yes, the absolute catastrophe that is modern societal breakdown, is 100% DELIBERATE!

Ian Walker

Dorothy Wilson: Even better, elect 1/5th of Parliament every year. A poorly performing government would slowly lose majority.

Scottish Cheeselog

It was deliberate. Calculated, contrived and consciously decided at every step. Read up on Antonio Gramsci and "cultural hegemony" and then see if you still think I'm paranoid.

oldtimer

I hope that Nadine Dorries has the fortitude and strength of purpose so see through her actions against Draper and, much more importantly, against No 10. It will not be easy to take on the resources available to No 10. Maybe those in the blogosphere will help provide the publicity needed to keep her action for damages in the public eye.

It seems she will not be able to rely on the BBC for publicity in support of her cause. Presumably the BBC will regard it all as another dirty little Brown/NuLabour secret to be hushed up at all costs.

2trueblue

My comment disappeared into the ether....Fasano, I was very taken with your mentionof Balls and Charlie Whelan. Last year there was a late night viewing of Panorama showing Brown, Balls, and C Whelan in a sort of 'cinema verete ' in high spirits at having pulled a fast one on the Bank of England. It displayed our current PM for what he is, and the people he mixes with.
I have never doubted that Blair/Brown were there to destroy the fabric of this country. They had no respect, love or care for the UK. They also knew nothing about running anything and were truely THE KNOW NOTHING PARTY.

mac

Welsh Drinker:

"Straw presumably thought his school’s CCF was aggressive as he declined to join!"

Probably, he had a conscientious objection. A noble conscience inherited from his father. Rather like that other man of probity and conscience, J. Gordon Brown, who acquired his moral compass from his father (perhaps, given Brown's godly disposition to regard himself as Saviour of the World, "Father" is more accurate?)

And Saint Tony, aspirant Sun-Emperor, what did he inherit? Oh, yes: 'regular-kinda-guyness' and 'whiter-than-whiteness.'

Charlatans all.

John Law

strapworld
Don't worry about EUSSR troops. Not allowed to fight at night, "Elf n safety".

Anyhow, if Blair is made El Presidente (by the way, can you grow bananas in Europe), they will need the whole of the European Rapid Reaction force, just to protect his motorcade.

Moraymint
It's normal to hate the sort of sh*t we have running the gaff currently. I have had an incandescent hatred for Blair and a similar level contempt for Brown for about 12 years (I was ahead of the curve on this).

They are all toast in 8 months, try to persevere.

teledu

Cripes! Maybe Cameron is a double-agent, a secret anti-UK, pro-EUSSRfederalist heir-to-Blair.
Surely not?

Hawkeye

Moraymint said: "Hang in there Hawkeye."

Oh, I will Moraymint, I will. I have to be there when the GREAT DAY comes. From reading the other contributions, quite a lot of us are buzzing and fizzing with anger. Even my wife (who has no political interests) has taken to yelling at Brown when he's on the news.

Apart from the autists who make up the core Labour vote, I know of no one who thinks that Brown or Labour have a hope in hell.

I do so hope that they are right!

Marcellus

It is strange. In this country we had never had a Government that deliberately set out to undermine our society.

But that is precisely what New Labour has done.

To weaken it in order to impose their Solution on us.

anne allan

It was obvious, right from May, 1997 that we were under the rule of apparatchiks who loathed Britain, the British people, our history, our customs and our institutions. One instinctively realised that they were not on our side. As time went by, it became apparent that not only were they not on our side, they were actively destroying our country. They have splintered society, destroyed mutual trust and set us against each other under the guise of health and safety, child protection, prevention of terrorism and so on.
They are a bunch of spiteful children who have wilfully destroyed a country and a way of life that men and women took a thousand year to build; men and women whose boots these shysters are not fit to lick.
We have every right to hate them; especially those of us who never fell for Blair and his band of mendacious thugs and who have had this nightmare imposed on us by the votes of the gullible and the greedy in a deadly alliance with the apathetic.

Michael Booth

Just been watching a video clip of Brian Gerrish talking about Common Purpose. Scary stuff. Perhaps one of the reasons comments disappear or don't get put up on here is CP infiltration of the Speccie... now there's a conspiracy theory most suitable for the time of year.

Murrah

"Putting a shine on Brown's economic accomplishments"

No, no I don't think so. You can't polish a turd.

Alan

Quote from today's Independent:-

"The TA is planning a coup"

tonyp17

I have thought for some time that Her Majesty needs to use her powers and ask GB to dissolve Parliament and call an election.
Those who keep in power by lying and cheating must be removed. They should be held to account in the courts not allowed to continue to ruin Britain.

JohnOfEnfield

Hawkeye. I share your deep frustration but you aren't even half as angry as me at the incompetence, total lies and continuous smears that characterise Blair/Brown/Mandleson's party.

I do, however, sense that New Labour is heading for extinction as a political party.

This is because they have lied to their constituencies about the economy, taxation, welfare immigration and civil liberties.

The working classes are fed up with immigration and the tax credit system. The middle classes are annoyed at being criminalised and the loss of civil liberties. Everyone is crushed by the state.

I think we also all feel greatly insulted by the New Labour tactic of smearing everyone who gets in their way. And by the fact it is ALWAYS someone else's fault. We have had almost 15 years of it now.

Cogito Ergosum

Question from Thomas Cussans 6:31pm: how did it come to this?

Reply. The Conservative Party in the 90s was destroyed by the europhobes, leaving the way clear for Blair and his gang.
Messrs Edward Taylor, Bill Cash, and Duncan Smith have a lot to answer for.

Verity

I'm posting the first half of my comment, because printed in one piece it would be like a big, angry sausage. So here is Part One. Part Deux follows.

Battle2807: “The use of anti-terrorist laws to snoop on law-abiding citizens, and parents. The booze culture. Education. The politicization of the police etc etc.
How much of this has been deliberate? I would venture to say, most of it.”

I have been so writing for at least five years.

Hawkeye – Bullseye. But to waste our precious heritage, remove our history from the schoolroom, ignore the 2,000 or 3,000 or more years’ stake that we have in these islands, ignore the terrible sacrifices our forebears made thinking those sacrifices were being made for us, their descendants, is such an obscenity that there are no words …

They flushed our democracy down the loo. (We invented loos and sewage pipes and sewage plants, by the way, while the Muslims were still shitting in the desert and cleaning their arses with their left hand. All for naught? We invented public health. We invented ‘no spitting because it spread tuberculosis’ and cleaned up tuberculosis until the crap Third Worlder hawkers and spitters were let in, against our will, in great numbers, and reintroduced tuberculosis to our islands.)

This won’t get posted, of course, but I’ll save it for my own blog which will be active within a couple of weeks.

Richard Marriott, Moraymint, Irene … no. Most of us are enraged.

“How on earth did we allow it to happen?” asks Welsh Drinker. Well, you were lazy and you were … well, lazy. You got flimflammed because you couldn’t be bothered to think.

Wrinklybutnice

Hawkeye - Steve - Irene etc etc :

I'm with you all the way. It didn't take me too long to lose my starry eyes after their election in 1997. What was the sign ? The Dome - meaningless, massively expensive, management of costs totally out of control, purpose unclear. But some great PR. Especially those eulogies, even from Dandy Mandy, who has since admitted it was all total crap.

After that everything started to look dodgy, but there was a spurious momentum. Media drivel like the People's Princess.

Crucial moment - the anti-war demo. I remember sitting opposite a man in the tube, wearing a suit and tie, short back and sides, still holding his banner "Bliar -not in my name". Then the "suicide" of Dr Kelly. When I heard it on my car radio, I felt sick, and then frightened.

Now, after the tsunami of misinformation, secret passing of undebated chaotic laws, government by soundbite for survival by the minute, we can see clearly the relentless deconstruction of the entire framework of the country. Both micro and macro.

And not for ideological reasons, but for the basest of political incentives. Just as Steve @ 4.45 set out so clearly.

And we're scuppered! They have passed laws to ensure we can't protest. And not even know about. And then there's postal voting ....

So now that they've stolen my personal freedom as a citizen, and the value of my modest savings, to bribe their client state - the non-workers, the party poodles, and the MP troughers - as well as our voices and rights to protest : what do we have left ?

Doesn't sit well with my longing for peace and equality and justice. But maybe now, it's the only way.

Verity

Once again, I tried to post responses to comments, and my post would not leave the post page. This is the second time. Pete Hoskin checked into it the last time three or four days ago, and Pete couldn't get my post to leave this page either.

Most disturbing. They don't want the rabble-rousers getting too excitable.

I will post in tiny bites.

Verity

John of Enfield, I don't share your sanguine point of view. "I do, however, sense that New Labour is heading for extinction as a political party."

I wouldn't count on it.

If our political system were still limited to our islands, yes. But now, Europe has control. They will continue to fund the communist One Worlders on the subverting of Britain by flooding Third Worlders into our ancient property.

"This is because they have lied to their constituencies about the economy, taxation, welfare, immigration and civil liberties." Other than that a fine bunch of greedy fat ladies and skinny, sneaky, rat-faced Jack Straw, whose refugee father sat out WWII of his own free will, as a "conscientious objector", fed by people on rations and his cell heated by people who had no heat in their own homes.

Verity

John of Enfield writes: "Hawkeye. I share your deep frustration but you aren't even half as angry as me at the incompetence, total lies and continuous smears that characterise Blair/Brown/Mandleson's party".

Au contraire, mon vieux, they were not incompetent. They were unbelievably competent. Sleight of hand competent. Had they chosen, they could have got the Italian railways to run on time. Incompetence is not what we're dealing with.

We are dealing with malice ... hissing malice. You only have to look at the primaeval faces of Jack Straw and Tony Blair, never mind the fat, sucking faces of Jacqui Smith, Harriet Harman and all the large-arsed sisters, ro feel malevolence.

Not for Prophet

Anne Allan - "spiteful children"???? Are you mad? Children could bring down 2,000 years of civilisation?

Taipei Exile

Moraymint you are certainly in the majority here. I detested Blair but 6 months of Brown had me fleeing the country. Unfortunately the distance I've put between me and Gordon has done little to relieve the anger. Having said that, if I had to rank my top five most hated Labour politicians Brown wouldn't make the top 2.

Oh, what the hell.

1. Jacqui Smith
2. Ed Balls
3. Gordon
4. Harperson
5. Miliband (banana)

Mr X

Until people wake up from their lethargic slumber and march on the house of slime in parliament ( its OUR PARLIAMENT! NOT THEIRS!! who are these cowards to tell us we cant go there?) and turf all these thieves and traitors out; Until that pivotal event takes place, then for the likes of you and I, nothing will change and they all know it.

So you need to make the choice- sit and stew or take up the call to arms.

Its time to take back our country from the filth that presume to rule us and to tell the eu bully state to go and "do one".

Michael Booth

Wrinklybutnice,

"And not for ideological reasons, but for the basest of political incentives. Just as Steve @ 4.45 set out so clearly."

Au contraire mon ami - the ideology is Common Purpose - have a look at their website and google a chap called Brian Gerrish. Scarey Stuff! It's all about the Frankfort School agenda.

Steve L

What saddens and scares me is that our young people - even those in their early 20's - won't really remember how things were before NL corrupted our society.

JohnOfEnfield

Hmm. It isn't often that I find people racing past me on my right hand side. I can't disagree with the points made, except perhaps on my (so called sanguine) view about the demise of New Labour.

I am struck by a few things about the present situation.

1. New Labour only got 15% of the vote in the European Elections. The opinion polls forecast a much higher figure, but their normal constituencies either stayed at home or registered a protest vote. I can see much of their anger flowing through to the GE.
2. I know I have a very select group of friends and acquaintances but even I have been recently been taken a back by some of the unprovoked reactions to aspects of New Labour policy. The latest one was from a group of elderly people who, because of their age, fought in or just lived through WWII and experienced the fight for democracy. They are extremely angry about the continuous erosion of civil liberties. I hear expressions of great anger amongst other, so called, New Labour constituencies.
3. If Cameron does get a working majority, the in-built bias of the current electoral boundaries will be removed (by forcing all voting constituencies to have an electorate within +_ 5% of the average) - this will take 50 seats away from New Labour.
4. The previous absence of the Conservatives in the Celtic Fringe is being rapidly eroded, either by sentiment, as in Wales, or by the reduction in representation at Westminster, as in Scotland, and by the mending of fences, as in NI.
4. I also think that the arrival of a independent means of communication and opinion making called the internet is slowly but surely working against New Labour's big-brother control of the media. We must remind ourselves that blogs such as this one weren't even thought of in 1997. And the idea that a blogger could bring down a government minister or senior civil servant would have been laughed at. (Why IS Ainsworth still in his job?).
5. New Labour are now completely beholden to the Unions. Even more than they were than at any previous period except say the twenties. IF New Labour are defeated at the General Election then I expect the Labour Party (as it will again become) will move sharply to the left and thus it will surrender the centre ground. This will be accompanied by political infighting the likes of which we haven't seen for many a decade.

All that remains is for the Conservatives to expeditiously purge the state apparatus, and the Quangocracy, of all their placemen & fellow travellers.

Voila - the permanent demise of New Labour!

jock

brown cant take all the blame for trashing britain.
blair did 80% of the good work that left us in the cronic state we are in.wilson/callahan all over again.will brits never learn

logdon

Boudicca
October 29th, 2009 5:13pm

Smith was at it last night. How she had the nerve to appear, let alone spout her glorious Gordon drivel beats me.

Meanwhile, who she? Tory woman was complete cack. No killer facts to bounce back with. No neat little bon mots or trigger word soundbites to get the audience going. No aggression to pump up the hate they must feel for porn girl porky. Nothing.

Appallingly, Smith seemed to come off better.

Marek

To all those who support fixed term elections:-

There is a big problem with this idea. We have an unwritten constitution which means that parliament can pass any law it wishes. For example, parliament could abolish elections altogether. If something of that sort were attempted our only long stop would be for the sovereign to refuse to sign the bill into law. The sovereign would then have to dissolve parliament and call an election so that the electorate have the final voice.

With fixed term elections we would deny outselves this safety valve.

Brockley Steve

@Dorothy Wilson re elections and the angry others

You could encourage everyone you know to petition the queen to dissolve parliament. This petition has sadly only gathered 1795 signatures. But it is still worth signing as a matter of principle.

see: http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/27778.html

J Rider

Remember that taxpayers are still paying the wages of the many spin doctors still left in the Brown bunker (Nicola Burdett, Michael Dugher, John Woodcock, et al.) Has the Damian McBride experience chastened them? Or has it made them more vicious, corrupt and sleazy than ever?

Ronnie

Verity, dare I ask what your blog will be called?