Miliband, Sting, Marr and breakfast

Nicholas

Neathergate.

The Gateless Gate

More on Neathergate please.

Empedocles

Think you mean Thomas Cook, Fraser. I hope so, anyway.

Geoff Miller

Ah, Miliband, that most foreign of all our Foreign secretaries.

Why on earth would a rightwards moving Europe want a Marxist son of a Marxist illegal immigrant representing us?

PS Being a winter lover myself I just listened to a few segments from Stings album.

Quite dirge-like and depressing. I should save your money if I were you. It will always be the Coventry Carol and Slades Merry Christmas for me.

Michael Booth

A conversation about the Neather revelations would be a good one Fraser, especially as we CoffeeHousers have not been given the opportunity

Tiberius

Fraser, you could get off politics and pick up on the topic du jour, namely to compare and contrast the contribution of Hallowe'en and Bonfire Night to national culture.

Rhoda Klapp

How cosy and delightful for all of you to get together and discuss the problems of the world, politely and without acrimony. How privileged we are to be allowed to watch. Perhpa one day we may be lucky enough to see you all tackle a subject which is of concern to the plebs? No? Oh well.

sinosimon

you could ask mr Blair if his friend's business is flourishing now he is not in place to award it contracts........

Chuck Unsworth

Brazilians - of all types.

Chris

Fraser, if you're all ears, and you're going for breakfast with Marr, how is anyone else going to get in to the café?

Olaf Rye

I would also like to hear more about the Neather comments--perhaps some of us ought to contemplate an online petition to No. 10 ? If there is enough of an outcry, then this gutless media might be forced to broach the matter.

Chuck Unsworth

"She's one of Britain's best fiddlers"

Absolutely not! What about the denizens of Parliament? Where do they rank in the list?

Publius

How cosy! It's all a big game really: nothing to get truly angry about. Just amuse oneself at the suffering of the schmuck voters and quietly carve up a few Euro-jobs for the boys. Then back home to Notting Hill, or Richmond.

Stepney

Contemplated watching it but when I saw the line up it seemed such an Islington love-in that my finger hit the off button almost as quickly as my mind acknowledged that I'd better served by a period of silence and a bacon sarnie.

MrJones

Polite conversation requires not mentioning treasongate.

This illustrates the power of cultural hegemony.

Beer Moth

Me too on the Neather revelation please.

Beer Moth

"...one of Britain's best fiddlers..."

Hmmmm.

KB

Fraser,

Why did Ms Tickell refuse to give you her autograph?

And to anyone who's still interested in Neathergate, one word: sidewiki.

Slim Jim

I just can't believe that having been denied a referendum on the lisbon treaty, we are witnessing this blatant pimping of political detritus for jobs in the cosy EU club by our political class. Oh, and don't forget the expenses scandal. They are absolutely shameless, and I fear that only severe civil disobedience will force them to think again. Democracy my arse!

Fraser Nelson

Do you guys seriously want more on Neather? It's been more than a week... There's a big world out there....

mac

Is the 'champagne for the brain' only for the magazine and not CH, Fraser? Your piece is positively in Stephen Fry trivial tweet territory.

As for contemplating a contribution in future from the Labour Party publicist Marr, why not go the whole hog and get that other journalistic paragon whom you admire, La Toynbee, too? Best in that event to give The Speccie a new name, however; your CH regulars doubtless could offer ideas in return for one of your phantom bottles of champagne.

Catherine in Athens

I did not see the Marr programme, but I think Kathryn Tickell is famous for playing the Northumbrian pipes, not the fiddle.

Fraser Nelson

KB, she scarpered before I could manage to accost her. I'll console myself by putting on "strange but true" this afternoon. And Rhoda, are you referring to Neather too?

Peter

Why on earth would any EU leader want a Brit as the Great EU Foreign Secretary. I don't care whether or not he may or may not want the Labour leadership. He is a crap FS and would simply revel in the kudos of the EU position. Surely they want someone "communitaire" from a committed EU member country, not someone from a country which would probably leave the EU if its electorate had a say in the matter.

NO to Blkaiur and NO to Milliband. Pewriod.

Frank P

For those of us who got up late and missed Wingnut’s show (on purpose) - Joan who?

As for the rest of it? Sycophantic name dropping! What a star-struck neophyte you are, Fraser: which perhaps explains why you don't want to upset the luvvies over the business of enforced multiculturalism via laissez faire immigration and surrender to Europe (to 'rub the right's nose in it' according to Neather the Nark).

Chris (11.11am) Brilliant; cheered me up no end on this very wet Sunday. Not just the ears - I'll bet they had egos for breakfast, too.

Olaf Rye:

A petition to No 10? A petition to the ubiquitous Andrew Neil (HIGNFY under his belt now - Mayor of London next stop?) would be more appropriate; but he seems to have issued the D notice, so we're cattled.*

Just accept that this magazine is now part of the problem - not part of the solution. My GF bonfire this year will be mainly fuelled by many years of my collected copies of the magazine. When its regular hack contributors start to refer to its regular punters as 'unhinged idiots' (vide the proxy piece by Massie) for pointing out true facts, then you know the game is up and the Long March has now occupied Old Queen's Street. Would that I were forty younger so that I could lead a band of brigands to the World of Westminster Wankers and pile the rotten lot of the buggers on top. Ahhh! ... the smell of burning corrupt flesh; how cleansing it would be!

Where to turn to though? I just zapped the TV off in disgust after watching the chubby trougher Bolton berk kissing Bon Jovi's ass: another Leftie Obama worshipping luvvie who can sell his records, sing the praises of Obama, while self-prasing his 'charitable' works - all with the assistance of Murdoch's minions.

I watched the bravery and stoicism of the blitzed heroes of Coventry on the documentary last night on BBC. For the first time for many years it squeezed a tear from my rheumy old eye. No only the pathos of their contemporary predicament; but also in the knowledge that the English stoicism and bloody minded spirit of resistance is no more. What traitors to them we all are. Not only are we ripe for plucking, the Orchard is almost stripped already and we've stood by and watched as the Socialist scrumpers have stripped the fruit of Coventry's (and other heroes') seeds.

Fraser; show you hand on Neather; Massie's proxy crap won't do, particularly as he dresses to the left too (though his tailor would hardly notice the difference, I suspect). Your flimsy credibility is at stake here. We're calling you! What's in your hand? Put up, or shut up and get a job with the New Statesman!

* Cockney Rhyming slang (cattle trucked), not a reference Stasi illegal herding tactics.

Dave B

"... I have banned myself from blogging about traditional music "

Perhaps you could grant yourself a temporary reprieve? I'd love to hear more.

(Mr Massie sometimes writes about C&W music, and embeds relevant YouTube vids.)

logdon

I posted this on Melanie’s Husein piece but it looks like the World of Neather is alive and well in this spot and deservedly not going away, so here goes. Again.

Join the dots and all of this points to the Neather World, that journalistic no go area maybe better described as a Neather Neather Land which allowed this to happen in the first place.

Had not our crazy multiculturalists and lets be honest here, the ever so effing PCly 'umble journo allies given Muslims the ammunition to attack our cultural institutions would the likes of Bunglawala and his confused secret buddy, Husein have the cohones to spew their often incoherent and self contradictory messages?

This is all of a piece, the Marxist/Islamist alliance working in unlikely conjunction but with one aim, the imposition of Shariah in Britain and, indeed world-wide.

Google religionofpeace.com or jihadwatch for a taste of the simultaneous hollowing out of western society and the repressive and deadly ways in which they operate over in Islamoland.

Those sites tell it as it is with source quotes and impeccable honesty. If only the MSM, and yes that includes this estimable organ, would wake up and shed the prisms of self congratulatory, self-delusion when dealing with this global menace masquerading under the false piety of a religion.

As ever, Peter Hitchens grasps the handle

The slow-motion New Labour putsch that swept our nation away

Last updated at 9:51 AM on 01st November 2009

Once again, one of the biggest stories of the week has been widely ignored by the official political reporters, who are not interested in politics.

This is the disclosure, by a New Labour apparatchik, Andrew Neather, of the real purpose of his party’s immigration policy.

The Blairites’ aim was to undermine and get rid of traditional conservative British culture. They really did want to turn Britain into a foreign land.

Mr Neather wrote an article praising immigration because it provided lots of cheap nannies and gardeners for funky Londoners like him.

Apparently thinking nobody would notice, he then revealed that there had been ‘a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the UK Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural’.

He recalled coming away from high-level discussions ‘with a clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.

I have to say I am not surprised. Nor am I so sure about the ‘main purpose’. In late 1996, an old friend of mine abandoned his long career as a distinguished journalist and went to work for New Labour......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1224335/PETER-HITCHENS-The-slow-motion-New-Labour-putsch-swept-nation-away.html

Fearless Frank

Fraser Nelson, November 1st, 2009 11:58am:
Do you guys seriously want more on Neather? It's been more than a week...
So if questions remain unanswered after a week, it's time to move on?

Frank P

Fraser

I assume your question (11.58am) is as rhetorical as you erstwhile promise to address the covert intentions and treachery of your new-found socialist associates?

Fearless Frank

In media land, everyone seems to be wittering about who'll be EU Pres/foreign sec/ etc as if they were speculating about the outcome of of Big Brother Gone Dancing, or whatever it's called.
The difference is, on the TV show you can, apparently, vote.
But sadly not in Reality EU.
And as to why the role of EU president exists at all, not a word. Still, it's probably more than a week since that decision was made, not really worth taking about now.

Publius

Well said, Frank P.
I have been giving some thought over the past days to what is going wrong at the Speccie. It's not that I expect to agree with everything: it's that I expect some proper, intelligent analysis. (Once, long ago, I used to read Marxism Today - not because I was a Marxist, but because it was an intelligent journal.)

But what has happened to the Speccie, and especially the CH? It reads as though it has been taken over by spoilt naive posh-kids.

What I took to be balanced restraint has been exploded by the childish hatefest over the BNP (again, no analysis - just name-calling and the usual smearing). Is that really the limit of these impoverished young minds: that Nazism is the Alpha and Omega of all human evil? Jesus Christ, grow up!

I have come to think now that what we have is little more than young, comfortable, metropolitan, casually atheistical kiddies on the make, filling in until a minor political job is offered -- and a place on the real gravy-train.

2trueblue

Can't watch the Marr show anymore, lacks the thrust, like all at BBC they still do not realise the it stands for British Broadcasting Corporation and not Brown BC, it used to be Blairs.

Expenses, still not sorted. The politics show has a cartoon on the duck house and moats, small fry in comparisson to the real money, but an easy and cheap shot. I was very disappointed that the Telegraph also held back on the expenses thing, and did not delve into the 'flippers'. This is where MPs who really applied themselves got away with hundreds of thousands of pounds. Benedict Brogan didn't have the balls to run an article on it. Lots of people were waiting for it. There was the one time flipper, the twice flippers and the serial flippers. Whether they paid CGT or not they made a lot of money on houses that we had paid the mortgage on and maintaining, in some cases. But the Speaker has now decided taht it would be too expensive and time consuming to follow up? Easy to do the research, just lacks the will. This government do not deserve any of their men to be on the world stage having destroyed the UK.

Alexandrovich

Yes, I too watched the moving documentary about Coventry and made comparisons with contemporary society.
Particularly poignant was the recollection of an old lady about trying to do her school homework by candlelight. The difficulty was, she was in an air raid shelter with 300 other people for 13 hours whilst 400 tons of bombs were dropped on the city.
Stoics? That generation shits 'em.

Dennis Churchill

Nothing on giving back our rebate and reneging on the Treaty Referendum as these jobs become available? And then there is Neather and the consequences of a population of 70 million in a generation.

TGF UKIP

Fraser, as with the other Coffee Housers above, we want a proper explanation of why neither the Editor nor the Polical Editor of The Spectator chose not to go near to the Neather revelations nor even to comment on your beloved Cameron Tories' failure to do likewise. As Mel Philips pointed out if the "Leadership" of the Conservative Party is not able to express a view on such a matter as the mass deception of the nation on such a huge issue of public concern as immigration,the question must follow - what is the Conservative Party for.

And by the way your lame attempt to spin out a diversionary story via young Mr Hoskin doesn't count.

Given your avoidance of the Neather revelations and the continuing refusal to face up to the politcal issue of your "Leader's" climate change obsession and the democtratic deficit attaching thereto, the quite reasonable conclusion is that The Spectator is behaving like any other good house magazine and carefully avoiding subjects uncomfortable for its masters.

Frank P's excoriating post has much to commend.

jon ryan

Please, no more Neather. Most of us have seen enough of the foaming xenophobes who infest these columns.

Irenehammo@aol.com

We want a referendum on Neather

Andy

Yep, Fraser, this guy definitely wants more about Neather - or at least about holding those responsible for forcibly changing the country without so much as a by your leave out to dry. I'm sure I'm not alone. At least one journo has broken ranks, thankfully:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article6898174.ece

logdon

Fraser Nelson
November 1st, 2009 11:58am

There's a big world out there....”

And it's being f*cked by resurgent militant Islam and their Marxist friends. That's the point we're making, Frazer.

You mean well but so did Churchill's appeasing tormentors during the Thirties.

Sometimes the fence becomes too slippery even for sophisticated metropolitan arses and on one side there’s an angry mob of foreigners or their offspring just itching to take over. On the other the low howling of the silenced who can see but are prevented from articulation by the dank soviet forces of state repression and media collusion.

That is precisely how it is. And why Neather strikes such a chord.

Leading quite neatly to this.

As for your admiration of the millionaire, Jacobean manor dwelling pseudo muso, Sting, try listening to Radio Three around Christmas time for a taste of the real thing.

English composers from Thomas Tallis to his ardent admirer, Ralph Vaughn Williams educe a spine tingling imagery of our unique past especially at this time of year.

Nothing can approach it’s evocation of how the old threads of time still permeate the soul and stir a kind of non kitsch nostalgia of what we had and what once made us the most powerful nation in the world. All in an almost contradictory subtle, understated and calm manner.

You can almost smell the sharp whiff of the tangy evergreen or touch ancient lichened stone when the old harpiscordian and luteist instruments weave their interlocking harmonies.

Williams starts with this simple premise, then brings in the overwhelming voluptuousness of the whole orchestra to repeat the stanza. At that point you’d need a heart of stone and ears of tin not to be drawn into the epicentre of this aural treat. It’s often dischordant notes contrast with a pastoral flow. Mantovani, it ain’t.

Which brings us in a neat circle of why are they trying to remove all of this evocative wonder from our psyches.

Neather offers the clue.

No shit, Sherlock is our reaction.

And you still don’t get it?

Liz Brown

I only watched the newspaper review - who needs Ian Blair discredited Police Comissar, Sting - who he? and harmthenation when there are leaves to be raked

Battle 2807

Yes, Fraser, I would like to join the list of the many who are awaiting your take on the Neather revelations.
I would also like to add my name to the list of what-the-hell-has-happened-to-the-spectator?
I am afraid that it seems to have fallen off a cliff since you took over, Fraser. Which is hugely disappointing because I used to admire you a lot.

Peter Mc

Kathryn Tickell plays both northumbrian pipes and fiddle and Fraser's right, she's a treasure. Between her, the various Waterson:Carthys and Kate Rusby we have some excellent trad music going on up here.

Peter

Alexandrovich
November 1st, 2009 1:21pm

Yes, I too watched the moving documentary about Coventry and made comparisons with contemporary society.
Particularly poignant was the recollection of an old lady about trying to do her school homework by candlelight. The difficulty was, she was in an air raid shelter with 300 other people for 13 hours whilst 400 tons of bombs were dropped on the city.
Stoics? That generation shits 'em.

I have now seen it twice and it remains as moving and as strong as the first time. Watching it you realise just how much of the British spirit and the British heritage these last 12 years of ghastly Labour has thrown away - much never to be regained. These were proud but humble people with an enormous sense of responsibility and duty. By God, today's populace could learn something from this film and these wonderful, inspitational, gentle but truly courageous people.

lady amelia

Fraser"Do you guys seriously want more on Neather? It's been more than a week... There's a big world out there...."

YES AND ITS ALL BLOODY MOVING HERE! That's the problem.

NEATHERGATE please and some answers. Enough with cosy breakfast with the muffins, more barbeqeue skewering of the politicos please

ps Chris Stout is the best fidder in the UK as any fule kno

Rhoda Klapp

Fraser: "And Rhoda, are you referring to Neather too?"

Well, only partly. I've long been a believer in the disconnect. Which you have mentioned and which is frequently referred to here by such notables as Nicholas and Frank P. The fact that people who hold widely shared opinions on subjects like immigration, multi-culturalism, the EU and AGW cannot find a mainstream party to vote for, because they are disconnected in the bubble and have their own set of afe subjects to discuss as if they were of comparable importance.

I no longer believe in the disconnect as I did before. I do not believe that it stems from the isolation of the political class from the lives of the rest of us. I now believe that they are not so disconnected. I now believe that the political class has perfect knowledge of how the public think, and their aim is to deny us any opportunity to express our opinions on a number of subjects including but not limited to the four I mention above.

I think that the press is complicit. And of course that means you, Fraser Nelson. It's no good if you get the chance to ask the awkward questions and fail to do so.

Of course, it's possible that this is NOT a conspiracy against democracy. But is really is indistinguishable to one from where I'm standing. Time for F. Nelson to show us where he stands. And it would be really nice if we knew that this is not an imposed editorial policy on the part of the Spectator to get the useless tories into power on what are no more than labour policies with a competence promise based on no such record.

Verity

Fraser tweaks us for wanting further evaluations and investigations of the Neather revelations, writing, "It's a big world out there."

Westminster Village? A big world? It's tinier and more populated by myopic, opinionated, self-dramatising local yokels than Ambridge.

Yes, Fraser. Why are you trying to avoid commenting on this bombshell? It doesn't matter that it was "a week ago". It won't go away.

Ken

Frank P et al:
More on why Neather ought to remain a very hot topic:
"Bogus student checks 'don't work'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8332314.stm

teledu

Fraser, you won't leave a mark if you always tread carefully.
You're in a position to ruffle cosy establishment feathers, but only if you're prepared to cover big. truly controversial topics that get people of all political persuasions blowing steam.
EUssr / MPs expenses/ uber-political elite (in MSM & Westminster)/ Immigration (inc, Neather) / Islamic threat/English democratic deficit/BBC lefty-bias/Benefit culture/ Labours lies & treachery. There's plenty to get your teeth into.
Stick a rocket up a few arses; surely you didn't enter journalism to keep the status-quo?
The pen can be mightier than the sword but it has to be wielded by someone prepared to make enemies in the quest for the truth.
Get The Spectator to maul the cosy, London-centric world of the main parties. Show them why most of the country despise them and what they've done to a once great and proud nation and its peoples. Unsettle the buggers. If not, perhaps we might as well all buy "Peoples Friend" instead.

Davey

Monitoring the web's Neather gate interest since it broke, it looks like this has a chance of snowballing, as it should. We are, mostly, not a subservient class/herediary blind electorate as the mainstream politicians still paint us. Media dictators however are still protecting the asses of the Whitehall unpatriotic arseholes.

Nicholas

Well jon ryan you seem to be a minority with a big opinion - like the rest of the gang taking this country to damnation. Nothing xenophobic about being outraged by the Neather revelations, it all comes down to belief and values. We know full well how the Left stand on this, we've had it rammed down our throats for 12 years. Now it's time for you and the other comrades to put up with a few dissenting viewpoints, whether you like it or not. And if you don't I'm sure you'll find a diverse, happy clappy, multicultural welcome in some third world hellhole, where you might just learn what xenophobia really is.

In any case give me a "foaming xenophobe" fellow Brit anyday over a foaming lefty forked tongue stealing our freedoms. He or she is likely to be a good compatriot to stand shoulder to shoulder with. Whereas the foaming lefty will be the one preparing to stab us in the back and make common purpose with our nation's deadliest enemies for the sake of a discredited ideology long past its sell by date. We used to call such people traitors and string 'em up. Now they run things - for the time being.

Fraser Nelson

okay, I will blog on neather if you really want me to. And explain why I am not that excited about it all.

Holly ......

Fraser Nelson.11.58.
THAT'LL BE A YES.YOU KNOW....THE OPPOSITE OF NO!!!!!!
Has this site has plummeted,or is it me?

Kinglear

Peter Mc I agree - they are all great and Fraser is right as well. Traditional music has the power to inspire, to bring peace,and to kep the faith

Frank P

Thanks! And while you are at it, perhaps you will explain why you chose the picture to accompany this post: a pale wanking spanner with three generations of Marxism coursing through the fingers of it. Can I perhaps credit you with the metaphor - "The Dead Hand of Communism Outstretched."
Ugghhh!

Watt Tyler

Nelson, don't bother yourself.

Verity

Nicholas writes: "In any case give me a "foaming xenophobe" fellow Brit anyday over a foaming lefty forked tongue stealing our freedoms. He or she is likely to be a good compatriot to stand shoulder to shoulder with."

Agreed. There are some among the commentariat here I would be proud to unyieldingly stand shoulder to shoulder with, but none,except Melanie, of the official bloggers.

Michael

No hope. Nelson has been made a member of the MSM elite. TV appearances, how glamorous...
That's how they do it you see.

HFC

Fraser @ 4.31pm. Good. Many questions have been raised by CH posters since the topic broke and I hope you will address each and every one.

P.S. Keep references to popular music out, please.

Peter From Maidstone

Fraser Nelson. 4:31. Don't just do a blog tellying us your opinion. Do some proper journalism. I don't really care who you have breakfast with, I do care that there is an England for my children to grow up in! Be part of the solution or you are part of the problem.

TGF UKIP

Fraser, to a great extent us anoraks on here don't matter but given the opportunity you blew last Sunday to bring the Neather revelations to the much wider world via your millions of News of the World readers, the explanation had better be good, damned good; especially after your quintessential villager, Blue Labour luvvie post this morning. One minor celeb worshipping another minor celeb - ye gods!

IH

Neathergate won't go away - a bit like Lisbon won't go away for Cameron until he makes that decision.

Dennis Churchill

Nicholas
“Nothing xenophobic about being outraged by the Neather revelations, it all comes down to belief and values. We know full well how the Left stand on this,”
Whether or not the “Left “believes a multicultural/multiracial society favours them and the reality may be very different.
Socialism would be much easier built on a homogenous society, where citizens identified with each other. It could even be argued that this is the only circumstances where it is possible.
Over promoted Student Union Activists may not have thought through that if the White Working class vote British Nationalist, /Scottish Nationalist/Welch Nationalist and the Muslims think most New Labour policies come straight from Satan then they are not likely to hold power ever again.
Someone in Conservative Central Office must have cracked the numbers of how many Labour voters moving to the BNP results in Conservatives taking seats---not all of which have been traditionally marginal.

Frank P

IH

Ian Hislop? I'd like to think so.

Verity

IH - "a bit like Lisbon won't go away for Cameron until he makes that decision." There has never been the faintest question in Cameron's mind, IH. He has been for the Lisbon Treaty and an ever-more grotesque Europe since the beginning. His only problem was how to trick people into thinking he wasn't. Fortunately, even in this he was inept and no thinking person thinks David Cameron is anything other than a gung-ho, self-seeking admirer of the EUSSR.

I stumbled on a thought three or four days ago and mentioned it very briefly, in an aside ... but does it strike anyone as er, interesting, that Tony Blair came from nowhere to take an axe to Britain. And similarly, Cameron, too, came from nowhere.

Neither man had any public historoy, or the faintest recognition by the electorate - or indeed, apparently, by most other MPS - before they sprang onto the front pages fully formed as party leaders.

Odd ...

biggestaspidistra

My earlier comment was censored out even though it was politer than many here and contained no profanities.

Perhaps this will fare better. I'm having trouble connecting two facts: an excellent journalist becomes editor and around the same time (two weeks prior to Griffin's Question Time appearance to be precise) the Spectator takes an Orwellian turn. How to explain this? Was Fraser a Trojan horse or is he gagged?

General Zod

Neather "has a chance of snowballing"?

You seriously believe that? Just google it; the story is dead. It was never more than a disgruntled Labour hack writing up the Primrose Hill set's excitable dinner party babbling as if it was actual Labour policy.

Just think for a moment; how on Earth would they have managed to keep a lid on something so egregious?

logdon

Fraser Nelson
November 1st, 2009 4:31pm

This sardonic tone infers a reluctance.

Rolling the arm will not cut it. What has happened to conviction journalism Orwell and other defenders of truth and freedom brought to a nation?

What does your pal Douglas Murray think? Or Andrew Green?

Read Minnette Marins's well thought out article Andy pointed to and feel her bloody rage.

Incidentally a rage, judging by the reaction on the Spectator, most of us share.

Had you penned a suitably corruscating piece in the big circulation NoW you’d be a hero.

This is not going away. It, like the Telegraph expenses masterpiece has touched a raw nerve.

Any sensible person who has read of the numbers and seen the transformation of city streets could see what was going on. Now Neather has confirmed the political state shifting duplicity and we are angry.

Civitas performs a sterling job. I’ve got two books which may help.

One, Do We Need Mass Immigration by Anthony Browne, the other, The Poverty of Multiculturalism by Patrick West.

Both cut to the chase in no uncertain terms as does Steve Moxon in his description of his travails when he blew the whistle.

The genie is out.

Wilhelm

Fraser 11.58 am '' Do you seriously want more on Neathergate.''

Well you spent 2 weeks squeeeling on about Nick Griffin, didnt you Fraser ?

Wilhelm

Fraser ays

'' Robin Cook did his party trick of knowing the names of countries.''

You dont say ? and what may I ask has that gotta do with the price of fish ?

Wilhelm

Fraser 4.31pm

'' Ok I will write about Neather if I really must and I'll explain why Im not excited about it.''

Dont you trouble yourself Fraser, its too much hard work. really it is.

2trueblue

General Zod. In answer to your last question.....Think Dr Kelly.

egh

"There's a big world out there...."

YES AND ITS ALL BLOODY MOVING HERE! That's the problem." Well said, Lady Amelia.

I'd also add that the rest of us are living in that big world - on a global scale. And some of us have made it our business to stay well-informed about it all - for a few years. That's why we can tell the difference between here and there, then and now, fact and fantasy, et al ....

Time you tried doing the same, Mr. Nelson.

Amadeus Plonquer

Whoopie Nelson's going to spin on Neather!!

jon ryan

Wouldn't it be nice to listen to a different record?

I mean, you foaming xenophobes (I rather like that) must surely have other interests? I wouldn't mind, but none of you can even tell me (or each other) what colour an `Englishman` should be. Or whether Sweaty Nick and UKIP have asked the Welsh, Scots and Irish if they mind the terms `British` and `Uniterd Kingdom` being hijacked by the rabid right.

Have none of you noticed that we have a Prime Minister who is dismissing science that he disagrees with? Stalin did this. You may have to get your medication, and Allah knows some of you need it, from homeopaths in future. (Still, after you get rid of all the non `English` medicos, who will be left to dispense anyway?)

Not Neather, please Fraser!

I doubt if any of you read that disgusyting comming rag , `The Sunday Times

Wilhelm

Fraser

You blew it, BIG TIME, kid.

logdon

egh
November 2nd, 2009 1:53am Report this comment

A book, the fictional Camp of Saints is about precisely that. It imagines huge ships full of immigrants heading to France.

No one has tha balls to stop them, the PC people prattle on, politicians waver, few resist. In the end Europe is swamped.

The end.

Not so fanciful these days, it was a dire warning of how mass immigration is a political tool. The Muslim world's ultimate weapon against a supine west.

Other messages course through the tome which blast the one worlder, free movement school.

No one will address the self defeating aspect of this.

If where they come from is so dire and the West so attractive why are they so intent after arrival on keeping what was creating the poverty and chaos in the first place?

Not one country where Islam has sway could be considered in any way a success. In fact it would seem that the more Islam there is, the worse it gets. Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Gaza, Somalia - all basket case failures. Violent hell holes where the bomb and the Kalshnikov are ultimate arbiters.

Like communism Islam postures under an egalitarian mantle, the reality being top down state control and rigid enforcement.

Economicaly it creates disasters of huge proportions and a fatalistic insh'alla attitude that religion will come to the rescue. That God will save.

Bolting those middle age concepts to western materialism and self sufficient capitalism is proving to be a nightmare in the ME where the mullahs hold sway. Illiteracy is endemic. Poverty the norm. Vast divides of equality painfully evident

And our multi cultis think that it is good to import this warped idealism in huge neighborhood altering waves into our countries?

The results of this Gramscian hollowing out can be seen throughout Europe where dissafected ‘youths’ firebomb and riot, threaten and rage. They want it all, and they want the state to provide it. It’s the old jizya, the Muslim tythe. And the dhimmi must pay.

This is Neather in it’s true state, unadorned by media gloss. It spells catastrophe. And that is exactly why readers of this blog are rightfully concerned.

jon ryan

What I was in the middle of saying before THEY tried to CENSOR ME for TELLING THE TRUTH!!! was:

I doubt if any of you read that disgusting comming rag `The Sunday Times`, but it carried an article about how all of our children are going to be forcibly given a dangerous vaccine that probably contains mercury, cycanine and, ohhh, I dunno, snot or something. They will pretend that it's for swine flu, but it's really a special chemical to make us ALL ONE COLOUR! Isn't this a better debate?

And I know it's true `cause a friend of a friend heard it down the Facist Arms last night, which is a much higher level of proof than is usual around here.

spirit of ecstasy

Jon Ryan, you're an eejit

Verity

Biggest Aspidistera - Yes, it seems as though Fraser, who twice has promised blogs on the subject, has morphed into Peter Pan and now inhabits Never-Neatherland.

Davey

Fingers are pointing because there is no contrary evidence to Neathers info, alas the opposite. Blair took Britain across Rubicon. History moves in cloak and dagger ways.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110010349

hadrian

Teledu,
I won't hear a word against the People's Friend, boyo! It's a Scottish institution that's been going for almost a century and a half and its old-fashioned values preserve the very best of British in its own unpretentious way than half the broadsheets and vulgar press we have today.
And the People's Friend Annual sells phenomenally well!