An unfashionable view
Peter Hoskin 4:44pm
MPs will soon have to show receipts for all expenses claims over £25. After the Conway scandal, surely that's a good thing? I think so. Yet the press release sent out by Martyn Jones MP - and highlighted over at Red Box - does make some persuasive points against. Here's the key passage:
"Monitoring an influx of allowance claim forms will require the Department of Finance and Administration to employ more staff for more hours. This department already costs £17,000,000 per year to run and has increased by over a third the amount of people it employs in the past twenty years.I am not trying to say that MPs are above scrutiny – that is not the case. However there must be a better way to safeguard the public purse than having a mass bureaucracy to analyse and process every single receipt we touch.
Many of my colleagues have shown an interest in a random spot check, whereby a smaller bureaucracy would employ a full audit on only a few MPs expenses per year. This has to be a better system. It would save taxpayers real money, which could be devoted to providing real public service rather than the creation of a personal judge looking over every MP’s shoulder."
What do CoffeeHouers think?



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Ted Tedford
March 11th, 2008 5:43pm Report this commentI think our MPs should be made to feel the forensic scrutiny of an army of unsmiling bureaucrats. I'd pay happily to subject them to the kind of treatment the British taxpayer receives at almost every encounter with the bloated, unaccountable State.
Chris Gilmour
March 11th, 2008 6:11pm Report this commentSpot checks would be neat to save on checking everything, and running a report like this http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2008/3/4/just-how-far-are-their-snouts-in-the-trough.html to pick likely candidates
Danvers
March 11th, 2008 6:13pm Report this commentWhy will there be an "influx of allowance claims forms"? Surely there will be the same number of forms as before, just with reciepts attached. Or maybe he means it will take more forms to be making 10 claims of £24.99 instead of the usual one for £249 (on the basis the threshold is currently £250). Sounds suspicious, if you ask me.
TGF UKIP
March 11th, 2008 6:29pm Report this comment"Does make some persuasive points" - it bloody well doesn't. Except one - if the Department of Finance and Administration does indeed cost £17m a year to run then an audit of that Department is long overdue. Alongside the revelations of just how much the Speaker blows on external as well as directly employed spin doctors, it just confirms the whole place should be re-named as The Palace of Waste and Corruption.
C Powell
March 11th, 2008 6:55pm Report this commentJust like the rest of us in the working world, MPs should have to provide receipts for everything they spend. Why the £25 exemption? And it's quite absurd that it should cost £17 mio to audit their expenses. Of course the costs could be brought down quite drastically if the list of expenses MPs claim is reduced. No food for instance or mortgages on 2nd homes: they should be given enought to rent a modest furnished flat in London (so avoiding them spending in John Lewis at our expense) and there should be upper limits on what can be claimed. Similarly they should use public transport at all times, fly economy or go 2nd class on trains etc. I'm quite sure with these and other measures we could reduce the expenses significantly and MPs would even have the novel experience of enduring the same lives as the rest of us.
Chuck Unsworth
March 11th, 2008 6:58pm Report this commentHad Martyn Jones MP and his colleagues acted with rather greater integrity and openness then this 'additional' expenditure might not have proved necessary. What Mr Jones carefully avoids saying is exactly how much more this might cost than, for example, publishing his and other MPs accounts or, indeed what this 'extra cost' might amount to in real terms. Yep, you can see they're going down fighting. The next examination - and one which involves far more of our cash - should be of the abuses of the various 'allowances' that these people have voted for themselves over the years.
Max Kaye
March 11th, 2008 7:45pm Report this commentAdministration costs can be cut in half quite simply: halve the number of MPs.
Do we really need so many?
dexey
March 11th, 2008 7:58pm Report this commentIt sounds that it will be like an Ofsted inspection. Perhap a few MP's will commit suicide under the pressure, as a few teachers did. Let it happen; they have proven that they cannot be trusted.
Richard Jenkins
March 11th, 2008 9:18pm Report this commentThose of us who have actually had responsibility, inter alia, in the private sector, for a department responsible for monitoring the expenses of a sales force of a number similar to the number of MPs, would be just delighted to take £17 million to track MPs expenses, and keep the change. Oh really, what planet etc. ...?
cityboozer
March 11th, 2008 9:59pm Report this commentYou are all missing the top question: What reasonably reimbursable expenses under 25 GBP could an MP possibly incur? I can only think of taxis. They object not to the scrutiny and bloggers with spreadsheets but to the fact that the scrutiny will lead too many of them to have to abandon a million little taxpayer subsidies to their lives which simply wouldn't be legal (or would at the very least be taxable) in any other field. I work for a firm which doesn't expect me to travel less that first class and which has generous allowances for meals incurred when away from home. I can any number of colleagues or clients out to dinner when I'm in New York and expense 100 USD per head, but I cannot claim 5.24 USD for breakfast without a receipt. This is easy because my expenses are limited to taxis, hotels, meals and the odd "meal" which was mostly liquid. A simple conservative approach to MPs' allowances regime would admit that the existing system allows too much leeway and cut to the bone claimable expenses which do not fall into a small number of simple categories.
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