Raving lunatic hails Major Hasan a ‘hero’

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Off topic
HoC neather report live NOW sky news!!!!!

Alexandrovich

"...and I hope that these groups dissociate themselves from him and his comments."
I can believe that. Mind you, I also believe that Nelson Riddle and Billy May were crap arrangers.

Peter From Maidstone

How is it a rapid freefall into madness if the FBI have been watching him for some time. His actions do not seem those of a madman but they seem to be have been planned and executed as he intended, and, it would seem, as his Imam intended.

Nicholas

But the article goes on to say:-

"The inconsistency of being a Muslim today and living in America and the West in general reveals the wisdom behind the opinions that call for migration from the West."

So it's not all bad. I'm fully in support of Al Awlaki's suggested migration from the West so that devout adherents of the Religion of Peace don't have to live these inconvenient inconsistencies.

Btw isn't the phrase the "right thing to do" spookily reminiscent of another raving lunatic?

Verity

Melanie has already coined the phrase Jihadi Denial Syndrome. Has a nice ring to it. I think it'll stick.

Alexandrovich

"...it is too early to assert whether Hasan is or is not a ‘jihadist’ in the strict sense."
What are we talking here David, Greater Jihad, Lesser Jihad - or what exactly? Do tell because I'm sure it will have a profound effect on the way people commenting here see this problem.

JohnAnt

It will come as a great relief to those who've been seriously injured, and the families of those who've been murdered, to learn from The Spectator that this islamist traitor was "not a 'jihadist' in the strict sense."
But just 'happens to be a 'devout' muslim.
Good thing he wasn't even more 'devout'. Might have been hundreds shot, rather than just 50.
Can you not grasp that he was radicalized by jihadist internet propaganda and by the subversive commentaries printed in most modern copies of the Koran and preached by many imams?
Who was his mysterious 'visitor' two days before he committed his deliberate and pre-meditated act of terror?

Hugo

This man will be awarded a 1st Class, Fast-track ticket to the death chamber at The Federal Correctional Complex, Terre Haute - The type of ticket that Timothy McVeigh was awarded!

Vulture

You seem to be confused David. While professing that it is 'still too early' to tell if Hasan is an Islamist or just a loon, you refer in the same breath to 'Haslan and his [Islamist] ilk'.
Why is it so difficult for bien pensants like yourself to admit what is staring you and everyone else in the face? Hasan was an Islamist loon with easy access to guns. He did what many thousands of Islamists do, and what many millions of Muslims long to do. Viz: to kill as many of us infidels as possible. Extract your head from the sand, abandon your ostrich politics, and say so.

Frank S

I guess there is this level of surprise when a true-believer does what the Koran tells him to do because so many of the so-called 'true-believers' are not really.

In2minds

Perhaps it could be explained how a man like Hasan becomes a Major in the US Army. In terms of box-ticking is this a case of a box too far?

Frank P

The crudity of my comment attracted the moderators blue pencil; but that doesn't change the fact that he is, and a murderous Islamic one to boot. And you should stop giving him the benefit of 'the doubt' David.

logdon

Jihadi Denial Syndrome reaches epidemic proportions

Melanie Phillips Spectator
Sunday, 8th November 2009

What part is so difficult, David?

Stop it.

It demeans our intelligence, and incidentally, yours also. There’s enough out there already to link the attack with Islam including his Allahu Akhbar shriek.

I’ve posted plenty of links to sites which you obviously have not bothered to follow up.

Indeed as your fellow blogger, Melanie who seems to have the cohones around your place points out, Jihadi Denial Syndrome reaches epidemic proportions.

It’s happening right now in Old Queen Street.

And an aside.

News just breaking on Radio Four that a mixed race gang has attacked a group of Muslims in London.

Police have mounted a huge operation to apprehend the culprits.

One/ This attack is a direct result of our authorities to define the problem and deal with it. Note, gang of mixed races.

Two/ When pensioners, clergymen and members of the general public are attacked by feral Pakistani gangs do the police defend their rights to the hilt? Do they swamp the area with teams intent on apprehending the criminals? I think not. A crime number if you’re lucky.

So why are they going out of their way and going to disproportionate degrees on this one?

Are Pakistanis, Bangladeshis or Muslims in general now afforded more right to protection than the rest? Obviously, judging by plod’s all hands on deck reaction, yes.

And by defending this arsehole who has killed over a dozen of his ‘comrades’, you are falling into the same old, same old victimisation trap.

The Bellman

For goodness' sake!

What does a guy have to do to be taken as a jihadist "in the strictest sense"? Have their own column in the New Statesman? Or at least a blog? Be appointed to the (Spectator-approved?) League of Unambiguous Jihadists? Wear a badge saying 'I'm a strict jihadist'?

Would it help if, like the murderer of Theo v Gogh, he had 'pinned' a note to his victims (using, as is often overlooked in the mainstream media, a hunting knife as a 'pin')?

The Puppet Master

Lunatics who are Muslims can open the Koran and find messages like 'kill all infidels', that is the whole problem of the Koran.
Lunatics from other religions don't find the same thing when they read their religious texts.
That is why 50% of the world's known terrorist groups are Muslim. Muslim lunatics are much more dangerous than non-Muslim lunatics.

EC

Ye Gods! The timestamp at the top of this one reads 3:18pm and it's DB's fourth blog of the day!

Alexandrovich was absolutely right last week when he suggested that the Speccie bloggers were deliberately winding up the commentariat with derivative, economically drafted provocative blogs.

There appeared to be a competition to see who could knock out the most blogs. I think Massie might have won by a short head.

Do they get paid by the number of hits or replies? Are they running a sweepstake on the most frequent commenter of the week and drafting their pieces accordingly?

Any suggestions as to what they are trying to do?

Frank P

As you people profess to be interested in poetry down there in OQS, perhaps this should interest you - and stop your tooth sucking over this act of Islamic terrorism. The illustration is also excellent:

http://www.americandigest.org/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=5851

EyeSee

There is a new ordering in the world and our response to it has not yet caught up. We invaded Iraq and chased the Taliban out of Afghanistan because we thought that regimes suporting terrorism should be dealt with directly and hard. However, it is an ideology we are facing and it extends to many places, so we have to get the diplomacy sorted out such that they have no hiding place. If the UN had ever set itself the task of only allowing countries membership if they could meet fairly basic criteria of human rights (that their people had some right to life for instance) then it might be a useful organ to promote the deletion of these worms infesting societies across the globe. But as we have no consensus, so we need to defend ourselves robustly. Awlaki must be seen as an enemy, because he is. And he should be eliminated no matter where he tries to hide from the consequencies that his mouth unleashes on others. If it isn't Islam we are fighting, then why do we NEVER hear from Islamics condemning those who break Koranic laws by killing? (Although, it does try to cover killing as a sin and justified, when of non-muslims. Figure that for yourself). Western civilisation has a lot to defend itself for. It is not just a dominant culture (though not domineering) it is a valid and humane culture. It is the parasitic Left that is the weakness in our society and we should cast it out as much as the hate filled ideologues of Islam. Christianity is a religion of morals that gives valueable guidance to politicians. Islam is a political ideology with religion attached. That cannot work in a democracy and in any society where individuals are recognised as important. The Left have insisted that our culture is invalid and has led to the illiteracy in our schools and the drunkness on our streets due to their undermining attitudes of self first. This is something that the murderous Islamic can point to as why we are debauched. His solution is no better of course, but he is not wrong that we failed to uphold values and decency in our society, allowing immature adolescent attitudes to prevail as the Left infiltrated our society.

dennis sewell

Since he gunned down US servicemen while shouting 'Allahu Akbar' or somesuch, can we at least agree to call him 'a jihadist in the loose sense'?

logdon

At the risk of repetition here goes. Again...

frontpagemag.com/2009/11/09/why-he-shouted-%E2%80%9Callahu-akbar%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-by-jamie-glazov/

frontpagemag.com/2009/11/09/sudden-jihad-or-inordinate-stress-at-ft-hood-by-daniel-pipes/

www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

The three above explain the situation in it’s glaring truth. This one, a masterclass in how our political commentators should be talking, and also by Melanie tells us why.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1226211/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-We-fools-think-fall-Berlin-Wall-killed-far-Left-Theyre--attacking-within.html#addComment

Augustus

So when you do it with pistols then it's not
Muslim terrorism. What's the difference with a suicide belt? The results are the same - many dead and injured, and the aim is the same.

There's no doubt that this appalling incident exposes the real truth, that the deliberate refusal to face up to the true nature of Islamic extremism costs, and will continue to cost, human lives.

Boudicca

I rather suspect that if a Jew did something like this, the left-wing commentators would be tripping over themselves to condemn him and any Rabbi who encouraged or even excused his actions.

I am sick to death of people excusing and appeasing Muslim fanaticisim.

logdon

This is more like it. Another woman with the cohones to tell it as it is...

Note the unrestrained violence...

"Studio ushers were seen physically restraining an irate, bearded member of the audience from lunging at her."

Fan cleaners required, I'd imagine. Don't forget the rubber gloves.

Monday, November 09, 2009

Italy: MP calls Mohammed 'polygamist and paedophile'

I really don't understand why Muslims are insulted by such comments. Either you think Mohammed's example of marrying multiple wives and having sex with children should be followed today (see Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan), or you don't. You can't claim that there's nothing wrong with polygamy and pedophilia and then be insulted by it.

What is more 'inciting': A Saudi Arabian grand mufti who thinks there's nothing wrong with marrying a 10 year old, or a European who says that it's pedophilia? I must have missed the outrage of European Muslims when this hit the news

Italian feminist and former far right-wing MP Daniela Santanche has sparked a controversy after calling the Prophet Mohammed a "a polygamist and paedophile" during a TV debate. Santanche appeared on a television programme aired on the commercial channel, Canale 5 with the president of Milan's Islamic centre, Ali Abu Schwaima, on Sunday.

"Mohammed was a polygamist and a paedophile because he had nine wives, one of whom was only nine years old, that is a historical fact," said Santanche.

A former MP for the post-fascist National Alliance party, Santanche now leads the far-right La Destra party.

Her remark incensed Schwaima and Muslims in the audience, who had been invited to take part in a debate on the contentious issue of placing crucifixes in Italian classrooms after last week's ban by the European Court of Human Rights.

"Why don't we talk about serious things, not about your disgusting comments," he shouted at Santanche.

Santanche continued to shout back: "For us, Mohammed was a paedophile."

"You're just showing the ignorance of people like you who have no other arguments to use," bellowed Schwaima, jabbing his finger at her.

"We will never listen to Mohammed, who was a polygamist and a paedophile," screeched Santanche.

Studio ushers were seen physically restraining an irate, bearded member of the audience from lunging at her.

"I and my staff dissociate ourselves from these comments, which are offensive to Islam," Domenica Cinque's presenter, Barbara D'Urso, said in a statement issued after the programme.

One of Italy's largest Muslim organisations on Monday condemned the feminist and former rightwing MP Daniela Santanche for calling the Prophet Mohammed a paedophile and polygamist on television at the weekend. "If there is a basis to make a formal complaint, we will do so because we need to say enough is enough with this kind of vulgarity targeting Islam's prophet," said a spokesman for the Muslim group UCOII, Elzir Izidin.

"It is incitement to hatred and is unacceptable. We are looking into what we can do," Izidin added.

The president of Italy's association of Muslim intellectuals, Ahmad Gianpiero, also deplored Santanche's comments.

"The accusations made yesterday against the Prophet Mohammed are unacceptable and will only stoke similar reactions and hostility from the Muslim community," he said.

"Now more than ever before, we need to isolate those who seek to provoke. Instead, we need to rebuild a climate of dialogue between different religions and cultures," said Gianpislamineurope.blogspot.com/

General Zod

There is a difference between a Jihadist from an organised group who has been encouraged by radical imams and a lunatic acting on his own inspired by his slanted reading of the Koran.

If you want to find bits in the Christian Bible to justify running amok, you will find them easily, as fundamentalist Christians in the US manage to do and as the Catholic Church did for centuries in the last millennium.

logdon

That snippet illustrates the whole dychotomy.

Right now some hate spewing mullah in Saudi, Iran, Egypt - you name it will be ranting about Jewish bloodsuckers, US killers of children, Western whores and not one of the multitude listening to every foam flecked word in complete belief will raise dissent.

To do so would be suicidal.

Yet here in Europe this woman speaks truth to her words, incidentally far less offensive than the bile they vomit, and immediately the Muslims in the audience are allowed to go apeshit, one having to be restrained from attacking her.

The follow up is the usual tirade of rights and insult and honour, something the infidel is completely denied in Muslim lands.

There’s a stark black and white parallel here. Italy must not cave in to this attack on free speech.

We’ve had enough of the threats. We’ve had enough of the killing.

They choose to live here, they must abide by western values or be sent packing.

Had the US taken action when Hasan started wearing his silly Islamic dress or when he muttered dissent, all those people would still be alive.

Our passivity killed them.

EC

David, Massie has just admitted that he's all blogged out. Expect tomorrow's norm to be doubled!

quadibloc

Yes, Major Hasan's rampage could have resulted from personal mental problems. Radical Islamic notions of Jihad could have just provided a background, which could instead have come from Christian beliefs or some other source for another person with similar problems.

But that shouldn't stop us from considering the radical beliefs of terrorists to be a bad thing. Similar radical and violent forms of Christianity or Buddhism or whatever do not seem to be on offer in the same manner; it should be possible to examine this in ways that don't promote hatred of ordinary peaceful Muslims.

Roy Smith

If he was fit enough to be in the army, let alone a commissioned officer practicing psychiatry . . . how on earth can he now be labeled with any excuse syndrome.

Archie

On the contrary, Mr. Blackburn. Melanie Phillips called this perfectly............agin!

logdon

ISNA: Attitude, Not Apologies for Ft. Hood Murders

by Supna Zaidi • Nov 9, 2009 at 3:22 pm
www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2009/11/isna-attitude-not-apologies-for-ft-hood-murders

It seems strange that in today's New York Times article on the Ft. Hood shooter, Army Major Nidal Hasan, Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) president Ingrid Mattson stated, "I don't understand why the Muslim-American community has to take responsibility for him. The Army has had at least as much time and opportunity to form and shape this person as the Muslim community."

Yet this is the same Ingrid Mattson who has repeatedly reinforced the image of the West as colonizers in the Muslim world and defends jihad in articles like "Stopping Oppression: An Islamic Obligation," where fighting oppression defines a "just war," or jihad.

The reckless disregard Islamists show for the potential for violence their rhetoric fosters should be criminal. One should not forget that ISNA was founded in 1981 by the Muslim Students Association (MSA) of the U.S. and Canada. The MSA is a Muslim Brotherhood creation meant to recruit Muslim youth to Islamism. As one past member of MSA stated:

We are told America's foreign policy is based on racist neo-imperialism; we are taught that national security is a foul epithet to be reviled; we are told the Jews and Israel are to blame for the hatred against us.

The First Gulf War was viewed by many Islamic scholars as a just war because it liberated Kuwait, but Islamist leaders do not preach the same with U.S. intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Pakistan.

How does that affect otherwise normal Muslim Americans who are also soldiers?

"Some return exhausted and traumatized from their tours, only to hear at their local mosques that they will go to hell for killing Muslims," said Qaseem A. Uqdah, the executive director of the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council.

Nidal Hasan is not a random criminal. The murders he committed at Ft. Hood are yet another example of Islamist extremism rooted in an ideology. These murders were a natural result of speeches, writings, and outreach by Islamists in the U.S., whether they specifically advocate violence or not. The angst, emotional confusion, and divided loyalties men like Hasan eventually feel are foreseeable and can easily be connected to the words of not only clerics, but community representatives like Ingrid Mattson as well.

Mr. Uqdah, clearly a more responsible American Muslim, finished his statement by urging that Muslim groups must work harder to help their communities end extremism.

That would be you, Ms. Mattson.

JDG

I'm going to be all soft 'n' creamy liberal, and point out that actually, although no-one else is being sought in connection with this horrendous crime, he's not even guilty yet. Has to be tried first. Inconvenient, I know, but it is an established principle of democratic government - one that our, and America's, armed forces shed blood to defend.

I happen to agree on keeping an open mind on his motives as well - might be insane, might be a politically or spiritually motivated terrorist. Might be a little bit of both. But hysterical overreaction at "the enemy within" etc etc is boring, facile and unhelpful.

logdon

More on my previous post..

"Trevor Borley, of the Islington police community safety unit, said: "We are taking this matter very seriously."

Shame they don't do that when kuffar is attacked in 'no go zones'.

London: Attacks on Muslim students

A police investigation has been launched following apparent racist attacks on Muslim students in London in which three people were stabbed.

In the worst incident, last Thursday evening, a mob of 30 white and black youths is said to have surrounded Asian students near City University in central London and attacked them with metal poles, bricks and sticks while shouting racist abuse. Three people - two students and a passerby who tried to intervene - were stabbed.

The attack was the culmination of a series of confrontations over several nights near the university. Earlier in the week a group shouted abuse at a Muslim student going to a prayer room at the university and then attacked him and other students escorting him to the tube. In that incident one student suffered a fractured skull.

The Federation of Student Islamic Societies claimed that the gang of youths shouted: "Get those Muslims," and "Pakis." It called on the university to provide assurances for students' safety and welfare but described the incidents as isolated.

Qasim Rafiq, Fosis's spokesman, said: "We believe these attacks involved the same group but there have been sporadic attacks at other universities over the last year. We are in consultation with the police and university authorities and want reassurance that the measures they are putting in place to protect students are permanent, not just temporary."

The Metropolitan police said that patrols were being placed in the area and searches were being conducted. Detective Inspector Trevor Borley, of the Islington police community safety unit, said: "We are taking this matter very seriously."

Three teenagers, aged between 17 and 19, have been arrested.

(more)

Source: Guardian

logdon

Frank P
November 9th, 2009 4:37pm

Perhaps their "wives and servants" would have objected.

Derek

General Zod (and Mr. Blackburn) "There is a difference between a Jihadist from an organised group who has been encouraged by radical imams and a lunatic acting on his own inspired by his slanted reading of the Koran."

No,no, no, no no! Commentators who have done their basic homework on this issue know that in addition to organized groups of muslim terrorists, there is also a network of sympathizers acting in an ad hoc manner - and that in addition to the operations of the floating membership of this network who voluntarily form themselves into terrorist bands for one-off strikes against civilian, or, more rarely, military targets, individuals are encouraged by, and act on, pronunciamentos by muslim ideolgues, self-appointed imams,to murder and destroy as opportunity presents itself or imagination prompts. The most notorious example of this in our country, but for which other examples abound,is the "fatwa" issued by chief Persian ideologue Khomeini, which called for muslims to murder Salman Rushdie.

The religious Madoff syndrome which prevents the Zods and Blackburns from understanding this is connected to the Neather disclosure. One point where the latitude of mass immigration and the longitude of jihad intersect is at the scene of the Brown governmen't crime against English society and culture.

Verity

JDG - “He has to be tried first. Inconvenient, I know”. Oh, the clenched smile superiority!

“I happen to agree on keeping an open mind on his motives as well…”. Oh, the patronization of the “little people” who just don’t understand the issues.

“But hysterical overreaction at "the enemy within" etc etc is boring, facile and unhelpful.” You are who, exactly, that your ability to identify “the enemy within” is superior to everyone else’s? And, remind us, JDG, you are who, exactly, to judge what is a hysterical overreaction in these circumstances? Would you be referring to the brave police officer who took a hit herself in both legs and was steadfast enough to open fire anyway and bring him down with four shots while wounded and bleeding copiously from an opened artery? Is this an “over reaction” in your little la-la-land?

JohnAnt

There is also a large group of sympathizers and active abettors who are taught to dissemble and pretend to be reasonable and adaptable, using the art of taqiyya (q.v.).

wrinkled weasel

"I know nothing of Texan law, or US military law"

Oh really?

He will get a fair trial, then they'll fry him.

Merlyn

Were Hitler, or Stalin etc. 'criminally insane"? Yes, we can find circumstances leading to their erratic, cruel behavior.

Problem is, these isolated insane people attract each other and find a common reason to vent their hatred.
Enter the propaganda machine as we have against the Jews.

Any 'disturbing behavior' needs to be rooted out immediately... before it gets to level 10.

logdon

Of course no one condones violence, but to anyone with any common sense, to deny the looming probability of incidents such as the one posted earlier is wilful and hopelessly wishful blindness.

In fact I’d say the restraint of the British public has been quite exemplary in view of the provocation hurled at us on an atrociously regular basis.

And, as I pointed out in the previous post would our Police ‘Services’ be so visibly quick off the mark had the situation been reversed?

The Cartoon demo’s gave us an inkling to the answer. Not one arrest on the day, despite grotesque death threats displayed with arrogant impunity. The only one intimidated with chokey was a man so revolted that he complained to the idly observing police, to be told to shut up or he’d be arrested.

That's some going. Hordes of belligerent Muslims threatening our state, OK.
One publicly minded citizen voices concern. Threat of arrest and prison.

There’s a site, The Opiniator which compiles recorded incidents of Muslim on white violence. The bulk, in fact to be perfectly objective, all, never reach the national press. As for BBC coverage, forget it.

There’s a clear message here. If you are white and subject to racist abuse and attack forget any willing help. If you are Muslim, all hell lets loose with plod bending over backwards to ensure ‘community cohesion’.

And the idiots including the dopey walking dead Woolas sleepwalk their way to the obvious outcome of this incident.

This paragraph is key. Note the dhimmi aspect of demand.

“Qasim Rafiq, Fosis's spokesman, said: "We believe these attacks involved the same group but there have been sporadic attacks at other universities over the last year. We are in consultation with the police and university authorities and want reassurance that the measures they are putting in place to protect students are permanent, not just temporary."

My reply? If Police offer the same level of protection to vulnerable whites, churches, synagogues and Christian and Jewish faith schools, fine. If not, forget it.

You get what we offer to the rest.

logdon

Sorry, off topic I know, but all of a piece with the anything but deliberate jihad evasive convolution going on right now.

Peter From Maidstone

I was reading Standpoint last night and especially the article on (standpointmag.co.uk/node/2310) The High Price of Patriotism. It was rather frightening to read about how the FCO is actively supporting violent Islamic groups around the world and choosing to enter into negotiations with them at every opportunity, indeed that it appears to be run by an Islamist.

logdon

David Blackburn says.....

"As I wrote on Friday, there is enough evidence to suggest (and again, I state, that this is merely a suggestion) that Major Hasan is criminally insane and that therefore his religious motivation is a secondary concern."

Major Hasan says....

"Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html

But of course it's nothing to do with his religion.

Ken

Peter From Maidstone: Thanks for the standpoint link. It is damning and justifies all the clamour about thrice-denied Neather.

Neather's revelations on packing Britain with imported Muslim postal votes is just part of a "grand plan" it would appear.

Berlin broke the Wall far too late to prevent communist placemen trashing Britain in Brownian chaos.

Verity

Wrinkled Weasel – That was despicable. And terribly ignorant.

Verity

I trust Fraser is fine-tuning his twice-promised post on Neather. We are all looking forward to it immensely, Fraser.

Frank P

Verity

On The Wall logdon has just drawn attention to Chris Grayling's belated bleat about Neatherland; it is featured on Conservative Home. Perhaps Fraser would like to comment on the Shadow Home Secretary's (albeit third choice SHS) question in Poorlament? We realise that the punters here are 'window lickers'. Take a peek at Grayling's tongue, Fraser, to see whether there is any sign of grime-from-glass.

General Zod

Well then, Derek, we'd better kill all the Muslims then to be safe. Perhaps we should put them in camps, get the able-bodied to do some useful work and we can dispose of the rest as efficiently as possible. We could call them concentration camps.

Derek

General Zod Silly Billy.

logdon

Frank P
November 10th, 2009 3:56pm

At the risk of repetition I'll repeat it here.

logdon
November 10th, 2009 3:01pm

Shame on the Speccie.

Behind the curve on Hasan. All posters linking this to an act of Jihadi slaughter now vindicated.

Then the infamous Neather?

Despite beseeching requests from the bulk of posters we were treated as semi nut jobs and in addition, despite Frazer's promise, no further comment.

So here into this gaping breach of media responsibility steps Chris Grayling.

He, of all people to waft the flame of everlasting truth from the flickering, dying embers you guys despatched it to, into full blown conflagration.

This is dynamite stuff.

Nice work.

Keep it up and those quintessential breach busters, the BNP will have a field day next July.

From Con Home

"Chris Grayling accuses the Government of setting out "deliberately to deceive the British people" with immigration policy cover-up

On the day that Alan Johnson expressed a desire to see a "real debate" on immigration, Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling was yesterday granted an Urgent Question by the Speaker to ask the Government about claims that it broke Freedom of Information legislation to cover up a change of immigration policy.

Here are the charges Mr Grayling made in the Commons:

"More and more evidence is now emerging to suggest that the Government broke freedom of information laws and tried to cover up a deliberate change of policy designed to encourage much higher immigration, very probably for party political purposes.

Two weeks ago, a former Home Office adviser, Andrew Neather, was widely reported as saying that Ministers had covered up a secret plan to allow in more immigrants and to make Britain more multicultural. When I put those allegations to the Minister, he said, quite extraordinarily, that he had not and that he did “not know to whom or to which reports the hon. Gentleman refers” [Hansard, 26 October 2009]. Let us hope that he can do better today.

First, there was what was originally a secret plan. Will the Minister confirm that what he was talking about back in 2002 was a relaxation of the rules for clearing immigration applicants so that those who had been waiting more than 12 months would be granted clearance to stay without any further investigation into their cases? Will he also confirm that the head of the Immigration and Nationality Directorate said in an e-mail to the then Minister that that involved “pragmatic grants, i.e. not pursing every angle which could conceivably justify a refusal”, and that the policy meant that “some risks would have to be taken”?

Will he also confirm that Ministers were aware of that policy change and that they accepted that it involved taking risks with immigration applications?

Then there was the cover-up. Will the Minister confirm that the Home Office tried to withhold documents outlining that policy change from the Information Commissioner? I have copies of those documents, and they are clearly marked “withold” at the top. Will he also confirm that the Information Commissioner found the Home Office guilty of breaking the law, and ordered the documents marked “withhold” to be released? Will he tell the House why Ministers broke the laws that this Government had passed?

The Home Secretary says that he wants a rational debate on immigration, but why on earth does he think anyone will take him seriously in that debate when it is now clear that this Government have set out deliberately to deceive the British people, and have proved utterly incapable of telling them the truth about their policies on immigration."

Jonathan Isaby

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/parliament/2009/11/chris-grayling-accuses-the-goverment-of-setting-out-deliberately-to-deceive-the-british-people-with-.html

logdon

Phyllis Chesler seems not to agree with the Speccie stated view.

November 10th, 2009 1:48 pm
Obama at Ft Hood Memorial: No Mention of Terrorism or Jihad

America, the West, and Israel are all fighting back in a war that radical, jihadic Islamists, (not Muslims) have declared against us. The Islamist propagandists have managed to persuade western leftists, academics, politicians, heads of state, and the media that America and Israel are actually waging a war on Islam. It’s what Osama bin Laden thinks.

Nevertheless, today, a half hour ago at Ft Hood, President Obama did not pronounce the following words: “Jihad.” “Terrorism.” “Islamist terrorism” or “Islamic terrorism.” Early on, President Obama said that “this is a time of war,” (followed by many platitudes). Towards the end, he said something unscripted, something not contained in the speech transcript. Obama said that “these soldiers could not escape the horror of war even at home”– but he failed to name what that war might be and who might be fighting it.

Indeed, Obama said that the fact they were killed on American soil is “incomprehensible.” He also made a point of proudly saying: “We are a nation whose commitment to justice is so enduring that we would treat a gunman (a “gunman, not a “jihadist”) and give him due process, just as surely as we will see that he pays for his crime (his “crime,” not his “act of war,” not even his “act of terrorism.”

Radical jihadic Islamism/jihadic terrorism was given a free pass by the President of the United States at the Memorial Service for the thirteen soldiers and mental health professionals who were slaughtered at Ft Hood.

I will be talking about alleged “Islamophobia” and Ft Hood tonight on CNN on the Lou Dobbs Show which appears between 7pm-8pm est and at other times around the country.

The Masked Marvel

It's all very well to shift blame for this to mental illness. But, what happens when one takes this attitude to its logical conclusion?

Are those who call this murderer a hero also mentally ill? Is the man who cut Daniel Pearl's throat and video taped it for the world also mentally ill? Were the 7/7 bombers mentally ill?

How many people are you willing to categorize as mentally ill so that Hasan fits into that diagnosis?

logdon

Here's a man who knows what he talks of.

The term Jihad has been spun by mendacity and our blind willingness to believe the best in man into 'struggle'.

Any reading of Mohammed's exploits will reveal the term Jihad and I can tell you, inner turmoil has nothing to do with it. It's warfare and expansion, pure and simple.

Here’s another Koranic expert who no one will listen to amongst the roll call of voices screaming into nothingness.

Wilders, Phillips, Hirsi Ali, Spencer, Horowitz, Fallaci, Karsh and the indomitable Bernard Lewis have all gone to great lengths to research and write books on the subject, yet our powers that be would rather listen to the two bit liars of the Muslim community with their siren songs of ‘give us that, give us this, and all will be peaceful and just’.

And guess what? Here’s another. In islam ‘peace’ is defined as the time when the whole world is a huge caliphate. When the Dar el Harb has been subjugated into the Dar el Islam. That’s their ‘peace’.

"Islamist Perfidy and Western Naivety
Which Is More Lethal?

by Raymond Ibrahim
Pajamas Media
November 9, 2009

www.meforum.org/2496/islamist-perfidy-western-naivety

In a blog entry for Islamist Watch, David J. Rusin shows how the word "jihad" continues to be euphemized in the West. Despite Islamic law's unequivocal portrayal of it as a military endeavor to empower Islam, jihad is still being peddled as "nothing more than a student laboring to pass algebra, a mom driving her kids to soccer practice, or, in the words of the Cambridge study, a civic-minded person engaged in 'lobbying, activism, and writing' — a community organizer of sorts." Rusin concludes by observing: "Why Islamists peddle such specious definitions should be clear. More baffling and disturbing is why they gain traction among so many Westerners."

Indeed, therein lies the irony: Islamist perfidy is only to be expected; Western naivety, on the other hand, which, if anything, should have begun to dissipate in our post-9/11 world, has burgeoned to the point of nearly making the former unnecessary. For while there is no doubt that Islamists (and their misguided Western cronies) distort the meaning of jihad, increasingly, even when the true meaning is in plain sight, America's leaders and media still fail to discern it. In other words, apathy — or willful blindness — regarding jihad has become so deep-seated in the West that Islamists need no longer actively dissemble."

And, it gets worse as he describes a NYPD Ramadam ‘reach out’ where this is spoken

“Only the last few words — qawm al-kaffirin, "nation of infidels" — are crystal clear, raising red flags. Thanks to my trusty Arabic-Koranic concordance, I have placed this phrase as part of Koran 2:286, which supplicates Allah "to make us [Muslims] victorious over the nation of infidels." Bear in mind that, from an Islamist point of view, the United States is the "nation of infidels" par excellence.”

If not so tragic our eagerness to accomodate is laughable.

General Zod

No, Derek, what's your answer? If you believe all Muslims to be actual or potential jihadists, you must have a view on how to deal with them.