No longer a racist party, but a party of racists

Dennis Churchill

But you, like all the Main Stream Media, think or at least pretend to believe, the BNP’s policies can be successfully shown to be wrong.”Wrong” in this instance being contrary to the interests of the majority of the British electorate.
I don’t think this is correct ,therefore people like Hain have advocated the best strategy when it comes to countering British Nationalism: suppress it. It is the tactic that has always been used against nationalism when that nationalism threatens the dominance of the existing political class.

Holly ......

Why aren't blacks or asians going to join the British National party?
It has many black and asian members/voters who are fed up with the main political
parties in this country.
There are lots of them that believe unfetted immigration is NOT in their interest either and the mad hate spewing nutters that have been allowed BY LABOUR is now undermining the MAJORITY of BRITISH immigrants that have settled in Britain, had families and now are grandparents and great grandparents of BRITISH children.
Get your facts straight before lumping ALL blacks & asians into pigeonholes.
Thank you

TomTom

This is getting absurd. The Spectator is obsessional about the BNP and it is becoming tiresome. So 62 more voters in Glasgow preferred the Conservatives to the BNP but take heart the Labour Party and SNP did far better.

What we should be asking is why Labour can still win seats after 12 years of destroying Britain. After 12 years of the Nazis they did not win any elections after 1945. How does Labour manage it ?

It is funny to see The Spectator on the SWP/UAF agenda but it may be the shape of the Modern Tory Party to be a Labour Clone rather than a party reflecting national issues. But the constant propaganda about the BNP only serves to make it very atteactive to anyone fed up of the media and its subservience to London party apparatus.

Biggles

So now The BNP are changing they are now individual racists??? LOL.
I fully agree with Dennis by the way, The nationalists are challenging the establishment and the really funny thing is that the BNP are just a minority within nationalism in ths country, nationalism is growing very fast and it is not only whites that are joining but all races and colours as they see what the established party's have done to this country

Nicholas

I still find it hard to understand why an establishment that imposes this on the BNP finds nothing wrong with the concept of a Black Police Officers Association. Racial differences are being underwritten by legislation and government bureaucracy when surely they ought to be invisible. With the existing resentment in certain quarters the tensions this creates cannot be healthy fr society.

I appreciate that ethnic/racial minorities are viewed as victims and some of this is intended to redress the balance and put right past wrongs but I still question the logic being applied. It strikes me as being as discriminatory as that which it seeks to overcome. Maybe I'm missing something.

Dennis Churchill

Tom Tom
But the BNP beat the Liberals. Labour always has the Welfare vote. That is why references to “White Working Class” vote should emphasis “Working”.
The British National Party is really an English Nationalist Party so will never do well outside England.
The point is that its policies would benefit the majority of the electorate. If not the Nanny and Cleaner employing classes of London W11 and N1.

Simon

Another good post. I must say this blog has improved since you arrived on the scene. The centre right should be commenting on the BNP. Its a letist party.

Peter From Maidstone

The Spectator has nothing to say about Neather and unrestricted immigration, but it is unable to stop talking about the BNP. As TomTom says, this is getting absurd. What does the Spectator stand for? It is no longer very clear at all to me.

Simon

Re Denis Churchill's comment. When has the sort of state socialism the BNP proposes ever benefited anyone?

Jez

One of my friends not only said he voted BNP but wanted to go to a meeting also.

His Mum's white and his Dad's black.

This was before the announcement today- and he said he would go into any BNP meeting 'and tell them he was as British as the next person'

If he did, i'd proudly stand by him shoulder to shoulder as he did it- anytime.

David. That's one, straight away.

Then you've got all the mixed race, Afro-Carribeans that go to the football and watch England. Who are they going to vote for now?

If the BNP can actually handle this transition period competantly, then no matter how much *you* or *your lot* don't like it (having detached yourselves completely from the realities of Urban Britain that you champion whilst still screaming at us about what we should be all thinking), then things are still going to go dramatically *one way or the other* due to 'Neather-gate' type social policies since the 1990's onward.

This is it. 21st Century Britain.

No more comfort zones.

Edward Sutherland

Bit rich of the Spectator taking Peter Hain to task for not engaging with the BNP on, inter alia, its immigration policy, when the Spectator won't even take on Labour on the government's own secret immigration policies!

Wilhelm

The Spectator seems to be obsessed with the BNP, oh well, ho hum.

But no posts about Neather I see or Operation Brace, the governments plan to rush through 350.000 immigrants without background checks into England.

Ps. The muslim terrorists that blew up the London subway and Glasgow airport were from Bradford and Glasgow. Is that one of the benefits of the multiculty society ?

Cogito Ergosum

Tom Tom 7.41pm:

Of course the Nazis did not win any German elections after 1945 - they are banned, as are their insignia and ceremonies.

We can afford to joke about this in Britain, but those countries who actually suffered do not think it is funny.

Wilhelm

WOW, a photo of Nick Griffin not lit from below to look him demonic. Its a first.

Dennis Churchill

Jez
The BNP will change into an English Nationalist Party and just as the American born, half Mexican, de Valera is one of the most famous Irish Nationalists of the 20th century who can say what background some of these English Nationalists will come from?
The BNP is primarily a socialist party so is more electorally dangerous to Labour than it is to the Conservatives who have to watch UKIP.
The main parties have left a space where patriotism used to be and that space will be filled.

Alex

Dear God, will you just grow up David? (or go and write for the Guardian instead)

In2minds

There is more chance of Dennis Skinner being elevated to the peerage than my mother, white and born in Basingstoke not Bangladesh, being admitted to an Asian Women's Centre.

Sarah Malloy

Again what utter drivel written about these constituency changes. Complete left wing extremism by the media to surpress the rise in support for a right wing address of the current turmoil Labour have landed us in. There is a massive increase in support for a man of a party that stands up for his belief and has time and again exposed some of the conspiracies (like climate change) that the major parties have coluded to rinse us of further tax. Keep going Nick your going the right way towards the general election and have my full support.

Dennis Churchill

Simon
The BNP would introduce policies that reduced the number of immigrants and their descendants in this country. The benefits to the majority population would be the result of reducing pressure on housing, education and welfare costs. Our prison population also has a disproportionate number of ethnic minority prisoners so...
Their policies would make the UK a very unattractive destination for third world immigrants and the contributions of Somalis, Bangladeshis, Iraqis, and Afganistanis would be the price we pay.
The “Neatherisation” of England has not benefited the majority of the population, quite the contrary although I believe there are now more people employed in domestic service, such as nannies and cleaners in London,than in the 1950s, so some people have benefited from cheap (tax payer) subsidised labour.

Not for Prophet

Holly writes: "British National party?
It has many black and asian members/voters who are fed up with the main political
parties in this country."

Care to tell us in what sense you are using the portmanteau word "Asian", Holly? Is this code for Muslim? Or are you talking about Hindus, as well? And Sikhs? Asian is also code for "Pakistani", which is in itself code for Muslim.

Then again, the subcontinent is such a small part of Asia, that perhaps you were referring also to the Chinese, the Malaysians, the Indonesians, the Thai, the Japanese, S Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Campucheans, Tibetans and Mongolians?

Maybe you could you be a little more precise?

Snowman

TomTom @ 7.41:

Spot on. For anyone clued up, the result of the Glasgow NE by-election should have signaled once again that it’s the wholesale disillusion with the mainstream parties more than a wholehearted endorsement of the BNP policies that drives this move towards nationalism. If NG wanted to annex Holland he would have got probably the same vote. What beggars belief is that both Labour and the Tories are so blasé about this deadly erosion of their electoral base. Unless it gets arrested, a hung Parliament becomes a certainty.

Super Blue

Jez,

I presume you friend is planning to repatriate himself.

strapworld

Mr. Blackburn. What on earth do you mean by "its economic policies are like Dagenham"?
What an absolutely snobbish, totally out of touch remark!

Have you ever been to Dagenham? I used to go to play ten pin bowling there, when I lived in Barking, many years ago. I object to your quite insulting statement.

Also I have many West Indian friends (and family!!) and I can tell you two of them have voted for the BNP for a number of years. They are all, though, disgusted with the 'main' parties and the way they have allowed immigration to change so many cities/towns and villages throughout the country! HOLLY is spot on.

It is time this magazine/blog got some people who have their feet firmly on the ground and certainly not stuck up the nether regions of politicians in the Westminster Village.

If you really knew what people cared about you may be able to articulate those views. Indeed you would have your eyes opened.

The BNP, whether you like it or not, are providing a home for many disaffected voter who are not attracted by any of the parties that have now flushed this country down the EU plughole.

If the BNP got a credible and charismatic leader, they would be a real force to reckon with.I may even be attracted to them. I certainly do not insult anyone who does vote for them.

I am sick and tired of the white majority being labelled racist for wanting immigration to be stopped.

Dirty Euro

The founder of the BNP has been pictured infront of a NAZI flag wearing a uniform proudly. There4 is no excuse to vote for a party founded by NAZIS.

Archie

Your stark hypocrisy is staggering Mr. Blackburn! You castigate that exemplar of parliament, Peter Hain for not engaging with the BNP, yet not a sound from the Speccer on the Neather scandal! Humbug!

Roy Smith

Mr Blackburn knows what the hot topics are, that is why he brings up the subject again. Like our very own Melanie they know what brings in the comments, a direct correlation with public concern. There is no doubt it is of major interest to many. Not an over concern whether Griffin assumes a morsel of power but to see some enlightenment coming from the establishment with the competition they can see erupting. Everyone can see the madness that has turned the UK into an abomination of multiculturalism, yet all we get from the powers-that-be (and many mere mortals) is denials and preventatives to halt discussion.

AAE

Is it the BNP you object to, or the fact that they are breaking the cosy consensus of cronies? It's worth mentioning I think, that none of those who find the BNP so abhorrent had any problem with Sinn Fein/IRA. The Ulster Protestants are to date the only "community" in Western Europe who have been subjected to prolonged terrorism, murder and every manner of mayhem by people who were given every excuse for that terror by those now castigating the BNP. And when the IRA murdered and intimidated Catholic children, still those oh so virtuous people didn't raise their voices. The week when we remember the fall of the Berlin Wall might suggest that there may indeed be much truth in VOX POPOLI, VOX DEI. Though to be sure, we mustn't forget to ask the POPOLI from time to time.

Holly ......

Not for Prophet.10.44.
I was refering to Asians....from ASIA.
What were you talking about? Sarky
I am BLACK and proud.I have voted BNP more than once and WILL do again!
When 'WHITE' folk actually come up with a decent Labour, Tory or Lib Dem candidate then I might just give them a shot.
Margaret Thatcher was the last truly British, truly English PM we had and she was detested.So it shows the calibre of British whites.She was a no nonsense kind of woman,unlike the 'straight kinda guy Blair.
Scotland is another example of the white Brit...they just love being tossed about by politicians.gives you something to MOAN ABOUT.
She would NEVER have done to this country what the scum in power now have done and the MAJORITY of ALL shades have LET THEM.
White British/English DO NOT have the monopoly on patriotism in this country!Many faiths and colours are just as patriotic, if not more so.
You all go on about how crap Labour are and how crap Cameron would be and how pathetic the Lib Dems are so put your money where your mouths are and vote for someone who WILL sort out immigration, who WILL tell Europe to piss off....and none of the ridiculous Nazi rubbish!
We are NOT going to start burning people at the steak or gassing people because they are not 'real' Brits. We have a dire problem with immigration, European laws are adding to that WE want it sorting, so vote for a party that will.
I do however, fear you will all just vote for the same three parties or sulk and stay in on polling day. You will then be on here MOANING and slagging the'chosen ones' when EVERYTHING has stayed the bloody same!
Hope that answered your query.

Merlyn

The media must have some 'guidelines' from the NUJ about the BNP, why else would they keep repeating the same inanities like parrots as if we the people did not exist.
We are angry, and if the Speccie cannot hear this, who can?

NeutralVoice

First, may I just correct you on a small point. As the lady on Question Time instructed us, you should say African-Caribbean, not Afro.

You are right to say the centrist parties should engage and not shout down the BNP. Also, most people now have the internet, and so those parties and the media must take care not to give out lies, smears, and distortions, because people can easily check them by viewing the BNP website.

The Gateless Gate

Ho ho Strapworld --- nether regions! Tres apposite.

Jez

Super Blue.

No. And if i thought the BNP were, i would fight them.

Why say something you know absolutely nothing about and thus make an idiot of yourself?

Dennis Churchill

Strapworld

Yes, the snobbery of sections of our media is damaging.
Simon Heffer seems to have problems distinguishing the Non-Working Class from the Working Class.Now we have this comment about Dagenham.
Barking and Dagenham had until recently a close knit society where generations drew up supporting each other. Low crime, clean streets.
Council 100% Labour councillors. Shop Stewards from the unions. Now Barking has Lady Hodge, an Egyptian born Austrian millionairess living in Islington as its MP and Dagenham has Jonathan Cruddas, who lives, in Notting Hill.

Multi-Cultural, high unemployment, high crime, children forced to move out into Essex for housing.T.B in the Schools.Some schools where only a minority of the infants are white and even they may not speak English as their first language.

The BNP has not surprisingly won a number of council seats and will continue to add to them.

Frank Leader

Peter Hain was a pest when he was a Student who frequently appeared on television. He stayed on and became a MP. He is as intolerant and bigoted as the BNP he criticises. As David Dimbleby pointed out to him recently on Question Time, when he said that he would not appear with Nick Griffin. This Country is still a democracy. Surprisingly so after 12 years of Labour Totalitarianism.

Jez

AAE.

"Is it the BNP you object to, or the fact that they are breaking the cosy consensus of cronies?"

Paste that to question the bottom half of the screen whilst playing re-runs of the Spectator Award ceremony.

Take it off temporarily when the Ghurka representative is on.

Enlarge the letters and bolden the type when Harman, Darling and Mandelson appear on the screen.

That'd be really good.

Chris cooper

I quite like the BNP, & if that makes me a "Racist" in some peoples eyes then that's fine by me :)

London Calling

Are you paying attention? The BNP are evolving into the MBNP, Multicultural British National Party. Nick Griffin and 300 members of the BNP gathered together this weekend to discuss their white only policy and how the party can go forward as a collective multi-mix and gain more votes by distancing themselves from the racist element of their core voters and earlier/current ideology.

The recent Lab Lib Con party conferences were depressing to listen to. If you wanted to connect with the public, the last thing they wanted to hear was something they already knew. Cuts…more Cuts…Depression…more Depression, it hardly inspired togetherness.

The BNP have put the cat amongst the pigeons…hopefully the outcome will be that
Politicians are reminded who they stand for and why…a collective sense of British ness is inspired by hope, not the hopeless…

Not for Prophet

Merlyn – Some of you people have very strange notions about the NUJ. They do not dictate policy to publishers and editors! Editors are somewhat more strong-willed, to say the least, than to bow to diktats from anyone other than their paymasters.

Holly, I wouldn’t quarrel with a word you wrote, except, although you deny it, you did use the word ‘Asians’ as code for Pakistanis or Muslims. This submission to “political correctness”, aka in more astute circles as “thought fascism”, is dangerous. When you start using their terminology, they win a little victory over you. Other than that point, I am in accord with everything you wrote.

JohnAnt

"As the lady on Question Time instructed us, you should say African-Caribbean, not Afro."
But it's not for anyone to instruct us in PC variants of the English language. As it is the first part of a compound word, it uses the stem only. Similarly, we say and write 'Afro-Asian landmass', and have done since before the OED was published.
The meaning is the same - Caribbean of African origin.
It really doesn't matter what the bien-pensant think about this. It's English. It stays. OK?
It would be as logical - i.e. as utterly illogical - to start using the term 'English-French relations', instead of the grammatically correct 'Anglo-French relations'.
I don't personally take offence when I hear the prefix 'Anglo'. I don't know anyone else who does.
Perhaps we're just not touchy enough?

Beer Moth

Not for Prophet

"Asian" is not a portmanteau word.

Beer Moth

Dirty Euro

Who's looking for an excuse?

Dixon

On Question Time Griffin was asked about this and said he wasnt worried.
Bonny Greer said "You ought to be". As if a sudden influx of non-white members would effectively destroy the party.

They just dont get it do they. It isnt about skin colour. People of every skin colour, including my Indian friends, share concerns that are only expressed by the BNP. Which is why those who vote for it do so largely knowing that it is a one-issue party that will never have power. That is why they CAN vote for it in spite of the hysterical rantings about its hidden agenda. Because that agenda will never have a chance to take shape. The mainstream parties will be forced to acknowledge the single issue driving the growth of the BNP long before it can ever achieve any kind of power. It will be a matter of which mainstream party takes the jump first, aware that to do so will earn them the acusation of racism but to do iot too late will allow their opposite side to claim it as their own.

I hope to see that influx of non-white members into the BNP. How then will the PC oligarchy continue to claim that its message...the biggest issue facing this nation today... is "racist"?

Not for Prophet

John Ant - You are correct. We also use the term Franco-American, say, and I've seen the term Russo-American. The woman who gave out her prim, ignorant little instruction is a dunderhead.

Beer Moth, I contended that the word was being used as a portmanteau to disguise what the writer really wanted to say.

Verity

Dixon - I, too,would like to see a lot of working, respectable, law-abiding immigrants joining the BNP - and I think they will. The BNP is the only partly that will address the hordes of Muslims who are unable to adapt to a liberal, advanced Western country.

If they start to get Indians, Sri Lankan and W Indians joining, they should change their name to the All British National Party. That would settle the uppity BBC bien pensants' hash. And would bring Inyat Banglawangla out in a rash.

Holly ......

Not for Prophet.
Again, I was NOT talking about Pakistanis,I was talking about ASIANS.
NOT Afghans,Iraqis,Iranians...ASIANS.
NOT Malasians, NOT Chinese....ASIANS.
NOT Muslims,Sikhs,Hindus.....ASIANS.
I live in a 'mixed grill'of a large village.
NO trouble,NO tension A GOOD OLD 'Mixed Grill, where one complements the other.
There is however, a limit on how much of it a place can take...some places are being changed beyond recognition and our happy mixed grill is okay just the way it is.
Many of us including the different ASIANS vote BNP.
Who said anything about Muslims?

Beer Moth

Not for Prophet

A portmanteau word is merely one which has been created by the splicing together of two others in order to conflate their respective meanings and thus create a new singular meaning. Nothing of the sort takes place in the word cited.

Verity

It is worth noting that it was the insufferably superior Ian Blair who ordered 'stop and searches' in some London areas to be greatly reduced because the police were, in those areas, stopping and searching more black men than whites. Duh. They were black neighbourhoods.

The citizenry who kicked up a fuss about this were overwhelmingly black working or middle class people who were well aware of the value of stop and searches. A black newspaper editor (I'm sorry, I don't remember the names of the London boroughs) wrote a pointed, angry editorial against Ian Blair. I think the general outrage among the black citizenry managed to get them restored somewhat, although still truncated.

God, what a waste of oxygen he and his thought fascist ilk are. Whatever happened to him, by the way? Safely locked away in an institution doing basketweaving and humming "Kumbayah"?

Dirty Euro

I cannot stand the trolls on this website who claim the BNP are a party for the working class people. They are a neo NAZI party. Who if elected would destroy the lives of millions of people for the sadistic pleasure of the more evil bullying sections of society.

Dixon

"If they start to get Indians, Sri Lankan and W Indians joining, they should change their name to the All British National Party. That would settle the uppity BBC bien pensants' hash. And would bring Inyat Banglawangla out in a rash."

I dont see the need for that. If non-whites join the name change would be superflous. If they dont, then it will appear to be an evasion. All they really need to do is stay in the spotlight and keep being attacked by the "anti"-fascists whilst refusing to be provoked.

Lee Jakeman

"The British National Party is really an English Nationalist Party ..."

Crap.

The British National Party is a unionist party, just like Labour, Conservatives and Liberals.

English nationalists like me are not racists, support the English Democrats, want an English parliament and consider English nationalism to be the English equivalent of Scottish or Welsh nationalism.

We don't advocate socialist economic policies either - like the BNP does.

Our flag is the Cross of St George, not the Union Jack and our numbers are increasing daily as the mainstream parties continue to treat the English with contempt.

The BNP actually fears English Nationalism - because it knows that English Nationalism is the one political force that can beat them. Which it will, eventually.

Watch this space.

Espresso

That would settle the uppity

BBC soi disant's hash.

And would bring Ina' hat Bungle

out in a rash.

A new coffeehouse service: poetizised Verity!

General Zod

PfM, the Spectator doesn't stand for anything other than

"to enliven morality with wit, and to temper wit with morality... to bring philosophy out of the closets and libraries, schools and colleges, to dwell in clubs and assemblies, at tea-tables and coffeehouses."

People like you came here because the magazine is regarded as right wing and are increasingly disappointed to find that it doesn't reflect some of your views.

At least it affords you a platform for debate.

Jez

Dirty Euro.

".... destroy the lives of millions of people for the sadistic pleasure of the more evil bullying sections of society."

Listen. Fraser does not want to discuss Nulab's Neathergate revelations, so we shall not discuss Nulabs Neathergate revelations.

Please keep your blanket descriptions (above) of our Labour Party policy toward the British electorate to yourself please.

(That is what your on about isn't it?)

Beer Moth

Dirty Euro
Come, come, this is not about you and what you can't stand.
Look at it like this: perhaps the BNP is the party which the working class can use in order to regain some purchase on the mainstream parties.

Nicholas

Dirty Euroloon:- "I cannot stand the trolls on this website"

Well don't come here then. You won't be missed.

And to put the record straight and hopefully provide you with a bit of the education you are so clearly in need of, NAZI is an acronym for "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" which means National Socialist German Workers Party.

See those two words in there "Socialist" and "Workers"? Remind you of anything? Think that is right wing do you? No, that's Labour that is. The closest thing we have in this country to the NAZI party is our present government- a government of national socialism, of propaganda, of division, of demonisation, of cant, of chaos, of repression, of surveillance, of control, an enemy of free speech and free people and totalitarian by instinct. I don't like the BNP but please don't stand and point the finger at them when the party you support is the biggest bully on the playing field.

TomTom

are a party for the working class people.

How often have we heard that myth propagated by charlatans ? Both the German SPD and the Labour Party used to mouth that Communist claptrap before they found their true calling as The Party of The Bureaucracy

Keile

No black and no asian would ever vote for a party that a year ago didn't even allow non-whites in the fold because it was (and still is) a racist lemon party. The people who post here spouting this nonsense are spreading nonsensical propaganda. I am black--I would not vote before I ever voted for the BNP.

Gaiapunk

How can anybody in Britain support the BNP when many of their members are outspoken NAZI's! Remember how the Nazi's almost wiped Britain from the face of the map!!!
ANTIFA ANTIFA

Henry Weelden

Mainstream politicos are corrupt.