The liberal centre’s continuing confusion on challenging the BNP

Wily Trout

Exactly why was this dereliction understandable in the late 1990s and early 2000s, please?

Peter From Maidstone

Is it now the Spectator view that anyone who disagrees with the soft-Left editorial position is part of the Hard Right? That is rather fanciful. I sense that most people who disagree with the Spectator on these blogs are fairly ordinary conservative people. You seem to be wanting to marginalise those who take issue with your position by using a vocabulary of Hard and Right. That seems as unfair as it is untrue.

James Strong

You say that 'immigration is economically beneficial..' and perhaps you are right, perhaps you are not.
I don't care,that is not the point I want to argue on.
The danger and damage are cultural and the problem is the Religion of Peace.
Face facts.

Dorothy Wilson

"The rise of the BNP is directly ascribed to metropolitan liberal politics’ refusal to tackle unfettered migrant labour, long-term joblessness and regional economic stagnation amid an unprecedented national boom."

Absolutely. The BNP are not the problem. They exist because of is a problem - or rather there are problems.

Kojak

Here is a rather more thoughtful, less simplistic, view on the topic over at Liberal Conspiracy 'The Right's confusion on challenging the BNP' - to show that not all of the people commenting there agree with Sunny Hundai:

Comment number 25 by 'Bearded Socialist' (2.34pm, November 16th 2009):

"In my opinion, this post and the comments to go along with it are a disaster.
I very much disagree with much written in the post, and then the childish-ness and blaming each other of the first two comments is depressing.

Firstly, the BNP is probably a racist party.
So are all the people who support them racist?
I think the author (Sunny) does a terrible job of attempting to tackle the BNP problem by just damning everyone as a racist. We live in a democracy, the BNP have such a profile because they have support from many people. The author is typical of those who stick their heads in the sand and refuse to listen to the concerns of voters.
I’m from south Essex originally, where there is a great deal of support for the BNP from people of middle and lower classes. Sticking your head in the sand and slating people as racists rather than listening to what they have to say is bad for everyone, except the BNP.
The BNP thrives on the idea that Britian is being taken over by foreign-loving liberals who don’t listen to/care about the “British” people. This post, to me, reinforces that viewIn my opinion, this post and the comments to go along with it are a disaster.
I very much disagree with much written in the post, and then the childish-ness and blaming each other of the first two comments is depressing.

Firstly, the BNP is probably a racist party.
So are all the people who support them racist?
I think the author (Sunny) does a terrible job of attempting to tackle the BNP problem by just damning everyone as a racist. We live in a democracy, the BNP have such a profile because they have support from many people. The author is typical of those who stick their heads in the sand and refuse to listen to the concerns of voters.
I’m from south Essex originally, where there is a great deal of support for the BNP from people of middle and lower classes. Sticking your head in the sand and slating people as racists rather than listening to what they have to say is bad for everyone, except the BNP.
The BNP thrives on the idea that Britian is being taken over by foreign-loving liberals who don’t listen to/care about the “British” people. This post, to me, reinforces that view"

There's so much cross-fertilization / counter-blogging going on at the moment that anyone would think we are approaching an election.

TomTom

Why is this Sunny Hundal relevant? Who is he? There is a huge wave of Non-EU immigration into Britain because those coming in from the EU are not obliged to register...we know we ave huge influxes from The Subcontinent, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa...so he can focus on that.

The issues the BNP have made their own range way beyond immigration and encompass the ability to campaign door-to-door in areas the Establishment parties have abandoned. They appeal on a 'law and order' basis to the kind of people portrayed by Michael Caine in Harry Brown whilst the Establishment parties represent the ever-so smooth Superintendent Childs for whom the general public have scathing contempt.

Vulture

I said this on the Wall, but its worth repeating here since I think, being a nice, white, middle-class young chap, you misunderstand and underestimate the reasons why people vote BNP, David.

I spent the weekend with three leftie media types, all previously Liebour-voting Londoners with a northern background and one of mixed Armenian/German parentage. I was astonished by the frequency with which the talk turned to immigration in general, and Islamic immigration in particular. With no prompting from me, the only resident Rightie, the trio expressed a gamut of emotions from rage to fear about the way this Govt had deliberately trashed this country - starting with their own working class communities - by bringing in third world peasants from places with not even a British colonial past - like Somalia - to a country with a bursting population, non-existant manufacturing, and up to the eyeballs in debt, there to live on state benefits wrung from the ever diminishing hard-working tax paying sector of the populace.

I noted down some sample quotes:
'I don't want my daughter growing up wearing a Burqua'.

'No-one asked us whether we wanted this - it has been done secretly'.

'I never thought I'd say this, but I will vote BNP'.

The only thing that stops me voting BNP is the lack of a candidate in my nice, southern, green, white, English speaking prosperous community - and a certain distaste for the unsuccessful pub darts team style of the party. They are too prolier than thou for my snobbish taste.
But I would do so unquestionably if I was unfortunate enough to live elsewhere. They really are the only party to have grasped the single most important issue facing this country.

If you, David, saw your street transformed in a decade from Acacia Avenue to little Mogadishu I am afraid that you too would vote BNP. The only astonishing thing is that more do not, and that there have not already been serious racial riots and Liebour politicians swinging from lampposts.. But give it time...

Wilhelm

'' Immigration is a good thing, it benefits the country. Immigration is a good thing, it benefits the country.''

Its like some brainwashed zombie cult incantation. If you had a £1 for everytime a liebourite said it, we could pay off the national debt in a week, nah make that 3 days.

Have you ever wondered why opinions which the majority of people hold are, if anyone dares express them publicly are denounced as '' controversial,' extremist.' explosive.' disgraceful ' and overwhelmed with a violence and venom quite unknown to debate ? Nick Griffin shouted down by liberal Chris Huhne on Question Time.

It is because the whole power of the aggressor depends upon preventing people from seeing what is happening and from saying what they see.

Two words Neather gate and Operation Brace.

MikeSC

Conservatives haven't changed that much have they? All the drama over dropping Protectionism, and here we are, discussing immigration, where the only discussion is "How much Protectionism?"

Adam Smith had it right. Open the borders, quick shock, let the market stabilise. Standard of living will plummet from it's unnatural height, of course, but that would at least be an intellectually honest free market.

Lee Jakeman

Am I alone in feeling a kind of malicious delight in seeing the BNP ruffling the feathers of our smug, sanctimonious politicians, journalists and broadcasters? It's rock 'n roll - the modern equivalent of the Rolling Stones thumbing their noses at the "establishment".

Beer Moth

MikeSC

And you are quite prepared for your wages to be cut/terminated to please the market are you?

Are you aware of just how many millions of people would come if your scheme were to be adopted?

And most importantly: there is more to life than the money market.

Get real.

Dean

You repeat the common error of thinking that the costs and benefits of immigration can be assessed purely in economic terms. We are perfectly well aware that a good economic case can be made for immigration. What people are opposed to is the cultural impact of mass immigration in a society so befuddled by notions of multiculturalism that it has lost the ability and will to defend its own values.

There is also a lot of confusion and muddle on the subject of EU vs non-EU migration. Many of the recent economic migrants from France, for example, are themselves ethnic minorities from former French colonies in West Africa such as Senegal and Gabon - countries with which Britain has had few historic or cultural ties. Because of the colonial histories of many EU countries, the EU has in practice become a Trojan Horse through which non-EU migrants can gain access to the European Economic Area.

Of course, no-one is suggesting that we prevent EU citizens from coming here to work. But it does raise questions about the wider costs and benefits of EU membership.

bill

"Of course, no-one is suggesting that we prevent EU citizens from coming here to work.": why not?

Andy

'Immigration is a good thing, it benefits the country.' That is not what the House of Lords select committee found:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7322825.stm

"It says competition from immigrants has had a negative impact on the low paid and training for young UK workers, and has contributed to high house prices."

So why, if immigration has a NEGATIVE IMPACT, is this plainly incorrect mantra that immigration is a benefit still being peddled?

Snowman

Far for anyone to interpret the BNP policy on anything. Two facts remain, however - far too many immigrants flooded into the country in a very short time, and some of those immigrants have no intention of assimilating into the indigenous culture in a way that similar immigrant waves did in the past. One could address the former if those who currently govern over us had the will to do so, didn’t pursue other agendas (Neather), and Westminster were in total control. How could anyone address the other issue i.e. that of non-assimilation, within the framework of multy-culty beats me.

Andy Leeds

I agree with Lee. Gives me a deal of pleasure reading the drivel idiots like Hundal write, and the wringing of hands one reads from the left and chattering classes in general.

They are just so out of touch that they are incapable of understanding why the BNP is strong and doing well in Labour heartlands. Were it not for the racist bit so many of them would have no trouble voting for the BNP themselves. After all the BNP is a hard Left party. It has nothing to do with the right at all, and it is a common mistake to think that it has.

VotingBNP

Two reasons to vote BNP:

1. Stop immigration

2. Quit the EU

You see, consistent - unlike BluLabour who want to be "In Europe but not run by Europe"

Leo McKinstry

Sunny Hundal is talking nonsense about immigration from outside the EU, his claim so typical of the spectacular deceit that the left uses to mislead the British people. In fact, authoritative surveys show that two-thirds of immigration to Britain is FROM OUTSIDE THE EU, overwhelmingly from Asia and Africa. Of course, you don't need some official study to see that: just visit Deptford, Leicester, Birmingham, Walthamstow, Ealing or Bradford. The economic arguments are just as dishonest. If immigration is so marvellous then why are we in the pit of the deepest recession since the 1930s? Gross immigration has been running at a rate of over 600,000 a year since 2004, yet unemployment has soared and living standards fallen. It is one of the great propaganda myths of our time that migrants are more hard-working than Britons. In reality, they are more likely to be welfare claimants, unemployed and living in social housing. Then there are all the huge additional costs, like the burden on schools, the NHS and policing. And all this is apart from the destruction of our national identity. I'm not English but I settled here twenty-five years ago because I wanted to live in England, not Calcutta or Islamabad or Lagos. If I had my way, the Labour Cabinet would be charged with treason for wrecking this once great country, with Andrew Neather's notorious memo as a prime piece of evidence for the prosecution.

Beer Moth

David.

I think Leo McKinstry and Dean have made serious challenges to both Hundal's and your own statements above.

What a great opportunity you now have, to put them straight?

Snowman

Paulg @ 6.19: may not be nice of me to point it out, but surely the metropolitan Marxists betrayed the unwashed of the labour movement in 1997, and twice since. Didn’t stop them from keeping a majority in the House, did it. What’s different this time? If anything, the tied client base has broadened…

Lee Jakeman @ 6.02: not, you aren’t the only one, rest assured.

Tim Heydon

'Racist' is an all-purpose term of abuse which classifies (deliberately) the desire, as old as humanity, of people to live among one's own people in their own way, with gassing millions of innocents because of their race. It is a smear and a dismissal of everything that is moderate and reasonable in this matter.

Civitas and Migrationwatch nailed the fiction long ago that immigration effectively benefitted anyone but immigrants. Yet this fiction keeps getting repeated. Why?

The damage mass immigration has done to this country otherwise has been incalculable. I have just finished 'Infidel' by Aayan Hirsi Ali, the Somali moslem apostate who became a Dutch MP, The Islamic fanatic who murdered Theo Van Gogh pinned a death threat against her to Van Gogh's chest with a knife.

She says that the greatest threat to the Netherlnds is moslem immigration. And having read her story I believe her.

And what is true of the Netherlands is true of Britain.

strapworld

Tim Heydon and most others have convinced me that I will definately vote for the BNP.

Ukip is a total waste of a vote but the BNP have got the other parties running for cover.

They have my vote!

Moraymint

Lee Jakeman

" ... am I alone in feeling a kind of malicious delight in seeing the BNP ruffling the feathers of ... etc"

Nope. I'm a polite, professional, middle-class bloke who is relishing watching the rise of the BNP. The BNP is a despicable political party and a danger to the peace, harmony and stability of this nation.

So too is unfettered immigration, but our mainstream politicos haven't twigged this yet.

Only when those same mainstream politicians respond to the general public's horror at having endless, uncontrolled immigration foist upon them without consultation will the BNP fade away.

So, bring on the BNP is what I say.

Dean

The reason we can't stop EU citizens coming to work here is because we have signed a treaty which prevents us from doing so. If you want to stop EU immigration, we would have to leave the EU so we would need to have a referendum on that. I'm all in favour of a referendum on EU membership, and would probably vote No if asked. But don't pretend that we can treat EU immigrants in the same way that we can non-EU immigrants. It does nobody any favours to over-simplify what is actually quite a complex issue.

Holly ......

The question should be..
Who do we want to come into the country?
Not how many or from where, but who?
What will they bring for the benefit of the country,how will they finance themselves,what if they fall ill, should their families be allowed to join them straight away or should they contribute to the state first? How will they support any family allowed to join them?
Practical, reasonable questions that should be ASKED & PROVEN BEFORE they are allowed in.
It is quite ridiculous that a country...any country can not deport an illegal or worse a convicted criminal illegal.
It may be 'scaremongering' on the part of the BNP...but it is also very sadly true.
Labour have deliberately thrown open our borders.....let anyone and everyone in, let some out to train as terrorists(Yorkshire men) then without a bat of an eyelid let them back in.(London 7/7)
That is why people will vote BNP..not because of anyone's skin colour or country of origin.
We want rid of the rubbish foisted on us..and even if the BNP do get MP's they will be held to account on who they favour for deportation.
We DO NOT need illegals in our prisons or our country,and it is an insult that the British government pay to send them home.
It is not the BNP the political parties should be 'engaging' with. It is US the voter.
They have succeeded in changing Britain and this will come to fruition at the General Election....WE will make the change..NOT Labour, Tory or Lib Dem. US.

MikeF

Again - immigration, as such, is not the problem. It is the spurious use of minority 'sensibilities' as a camouflage for a sustained attack on traditional values and identities by the socialists and left-liberals, who hate them. What is a required is a government and civic culture that instead exalts and sustains those values. That will happen when the majority of the people of this country make it clear that they will not tolerate having their values and sense of identity trashed. In turn that requires a frank assertion of those values - not least tolerance, fair-play and non-racism as opposed to 'anti-racism' - against the manipulative and hypocritical posturings of a bankrupt multi-culturalism. When that happens the BNP will wither to nothing.

Rhoda Klapp

It seems even David Blackburn is nearing eligibility to wear the badge of distinction of racist loon? You see David, it doesn't matter how carefully you write or how well you explain your case, some leftie is going to jump all over it and get it all wrong.

Frank P

Invite Leo McKinstry to blog on this website. It would restore some balance.

Roy Smith

British immigration has been a damning fiasco since it started in the 1950's. It had no fundamental right to start dumping non British people on to the then population choose "what".
Ex German prisoners of war and Polish ex service men fit in well and nobody complained. After all they looked like the home crowd, which matters a good deal. The influz of Caribbeans, Indians, and Pakistanis is a phenomena long gone but never-the less it was a tragic loss of the British peoples inheritance. They now had to share their relitively small island territory along with their paid-up welfare earnings they had accumulated with these new peoples. Most of this is well forgotten since we are now generations down the road, the road which has known many surges of immigrants from still wildly obscure and different origins.
Each surge welcomed by both Parties for whatever strange reasons they can think up to blind the masses along with the PC doctrines to further excuse the stupidity of their actions.
Is it no wonder the people are turning to the BNP for help? After all who else is there?

Merlyn

Citizens of the UK are now being discouraged in celebrating Christmas... this is why the BNP are on the rise.

Promise of Avalon

Quite agree. Armies engage the enemy, which seldom means they follow them.

Stephen Almond

Why does our economic success depend on ever more immigration? The argument seems to be that with more people, we can make more money.
How does that apply to a country like Norway or Switzerland, which seem to be doing fine.

Bunnykins

As much as I hate to say it, I can also understand the appeal of the BNP. For many it provides the only opportunity to protest against the pathetic luvvies in Parliament who have vote-chasingly refused to tackle the issues of unfettered immigration. And let's face facts here. It's not the immigrants from Europe that are provoking this issue. It's the immigrants from an Islamic society who culture brooks no tolerance for Western values. Raise objections - and you're a clueless bigot. The Neather revelations, which the press is so careful to avoid discussing, have not gone unnoticed either. Most people understand that having a hostile immigrant community within many of our cities is an issue that is not just going to go away. The fact that we have only one or two brave journalists who are prepared to grasp this nettle, is another reason that so many people feel driven to the BNP. The continued reluctance of any main-stream politician to come out strongly in defense of British values is what's lighting the BNP fuse. Our politicians are totally out of touch with reality and they must be held accountable for what follows.

General Zod

"It had no fundamental right to start dumping non British people on to the then population choose "what".
Ex German prisoners of war and Polish ex service men fit in well and nobody complained. After all they looked like the home crowd, which matters a good deal. The influz of Caribbeans, Indians, and Pakistanis is a phenomena long gone but never-the less it was a tragic loss of the British peoples inheritance. They now had to share their relitively small island territory along with their paid-up welfare earnings they had accumulated with these new peoples. "

Wow! Just wow! You actually wrote that down.

Who else would have provided the Labour needed in British industry in the 50s and 60s. Why should not people from countries that fought alongside us to keep this country free in the Second World War have a right to be citizens of the UK as well as of the Empire?

Generations of these people have paid into our benefits system and continue to do so. There was hardly a system to speak of into which the "indigenous" population could have paid prior to the 50s in any case.

Just how do you think a Britain that had not allowed immigration for the last sixty years would look? How prosperous would we be? How would our society look?

Leo McKinstry

In reply to General Zod, I think we'd have a far more cohesive and crime-free society. George Orwell wrote during the war that "the gentleness of English civilisation is its most marked characteristic." Who can honestly say that about the Britain of 2009, where large swathes of urban, multi-cultural life are scared by gang violence, shootings, ethnic divisions, knife crime, and drug abuse. Only last week, four north London boroughs had to hold a special summit in Hackney to discuss the growing incidence of violent crime among young Turkish men. And we never used to have so-called "honour killings" or forced marriages in Britain, nor the vicious misogyny of Sharia Law. Orwell, a true patriot, would not have believed what has happened to the country he loved.

JohnBUK

General Zod, "How prosperous would we be"? I have no idea and nor do you or anyone else. It is all conjecture and most of that is put round by the same people who foisted unmanaged immigration on us in the first place..so, what do we get? "It would be hell on earth without them", shock horror!!
How about, fewer shootings, stabbings, gang warfare etc?
No, I don't know either, but it's just as easy to say isn't it?
What is known however, by the people who have to live cheek by jowl with these immigrants, is the vast change in lifestyle etc WHICH THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR.
So, in future, before all the left-leaning liberal, caring, right-on, yoghurt-knitting luvvies have their say would it be all right if the other 99% of the British public were asked for their thoughts first? You never know they might even be sensible and agree to a measured influx!
Thank you so much.

Wilhelm

General Sod

'' Just how do you think England that had not allowed innigration for the last 60 years would look ? ''

England without immigratrion would look like England as before, which has been like that for 1500 years.

''How would our society look ? ''

A Christian Caucasion nation, have you got a problem with that ?

waywoodwind

The country is in a mess and the politicians believe they who got us in to it can get us out

For the past 12 years we have been governed by liars cheats and embezzlers, some call them traitors

This mass immigration has brought no advantage to Britain at all

The foreign crime rate and benefit fraud has helped accelerated us in to this spiral debt that we are in

Only the BNP are speaking the truth and if that’s racist so be it

Moraymint

Stephen Almond

Correct. The issue is GDP per capita not GDP per se. I think there is evidence to suggest that the UK's GDP per capita has declined on the back of our Maxist leader's unfettered immigration policy.

General Zod

With responses like these, there is no need even to caricature people like you.

Anyone would think that white people didn't commit crimes, all worked hard, didn't sponge on benefits and lived in cohesive, well-adjusted families.

Verity

Mike F writes: "immigration, as such, is not the problem. It is the spurious use of minority 'sensibilities' as a camouflage for a sustained attack on traditional values and identities by the socialists and left-liberals, who hate them."

As recently confirmed by Neather.

Verity

Referring to Third World, and worse, immigrants, the ever noisy General Zod writes: "Generations of these people have paid into our benefits system." Yes. And generations haven't.

Verity

General Zod: "Anyone would think that white people didn't commit crimes, all worked hard, didn't sponge on benefits and lived in cohesive, well-adjusted families." Before our country was fragmented by unfettered immigration from deeply undeveloped civilisations, that was largely true. There was an admirable cohesiveness in our civil society.

TomTom

Who else would have provided the Labour needed in British industry in the 50s and 60s.

The Kashmiris were imported when the Conservatives banned women working night shift and textile mills wanted men who would work nights for women's wages.

The textile industry was clapped out in the 1950s and should have gone to full automation instead of cheap labour. the British are renowned for under-invested in machines and using coolie labour for jobs that are essentially outmoded.

The horsepower available to a British worker whether a factory worker or a hospital porter is way behind that of an American or a German. Importing Third World labour has made Britain increasingly Third World because it has failed to innovate and invest.

Immigration has been an economic disaster. It has stopped essential investment and re-engineering of processes to keep abreast of dynamic economies. In the GDR they used to employ women to pack plastic boxes with ice cream using hand scoops instead of automated lines; sometimes I think Britain has the same inertia when it comes to applying technology to processes

Verity

General Zod. Yawn.

Bunnykins

Were any of you people old enough to have an opinion on Enoch Powell's River of Blood speech? If so, were you sneering then and chastened now?

waywoodwind

not me Bunnykins

I have worked and now live amongst these immigrants on a council estate in Sheffield

BNP till the day I die

Vulture

Everyone's out of step here except zilly old Zod. He knows best. he always does.

General Zod

"General Zod: "Anyone would think that white people didn't commit crimes, all worked hard, didn't sponge on benefits and lived in cohesive, well-adjusted families." Before our country was fragmented by unfettered immigration from deeply undeveloped civilisations, that was largely true. There was an admirable cohesiveness in our civil society."

Hilarious and deluded.

General Zod

You BNP supporters might as well all leave the country like Verity because you are not going to get the immigrant-expelling government you want.

Frankly, I'd see that as a positive, reducing the number of undesirables in the country.

Wilhelm

'' reducing the number of undesirables in the country.''

Bit wacist there ,General Sod.

Roy Smith

General Zod. Thank you for repeating my comments. They were worth repeating were they not?
Britain was pottering along quite nicely in the 50’s and 60’s. It was quite unnecessary to bring in the myriads that nobody wanted, or the ones wishing to take advantage of the silly English system. Fought alongside us; if this was true, does this automatically give them British citizenship? It was a world war remember, the peace won was for their country too!
Non of the newcomers had paid a penny towards any benefits they became eligible for, as indeed is the same today.
How prosperous would we be without them? Less overcrowding, better education, better medical facilities, less crime, and less tax to pay to cover it all. Since the country is now virtually broke how can you call the present condition prosperous?

General Zod

racist? How?

Presumably you lot believe that white people spontaneously evolved in the British Isles and not that we are all descended from people (with dark skin perhaps) who evolved in Africa?

Wilhelm

General Sod

Nah, the aryan caucasions came from northern India.

That is an unalterable fact.

General Zod

So the Indians and Pakistanis can stay then?

Tim Heydon

'Na, the aryan caucasions came from northern India'.

No they didn't. The latest thinking is that they came from the Steppes of Central Asia and spread out to Western Europe and down to Iran and the Indian Sub Continent where they formed the upper (light-skinned) classes, the Brahmins.

Tim Heydon

It is remarkable how many people seem to have swallowed the palpable falsehood that we 'need' immigration. They seem to ignore just how patronising this is to the British people who cannot survive, they say, without the assistance of foreigners.

Perhaps the teaching of history is now so dire and laden with Marxist, anti-British propaganda that it is not realised by many that this country was for long without question the polity which far exceeded all others in the world in combining political stability and internal decency with inventiveness, dynamism and worldly success.

Modern Science had its infancy here without the assistance of immigrants. The industrial revolution was born here without any assistance to speak of from immigrants, and for a long time Britain had the highest standard of living in the World.

Parliamentary Democracy was born here. We ruled a quarter of the World with an increasing concern for its inhabitants remarkable for that era, and much much more, all without the assistance of immigrants.

It is surely not coincidental that at the very time when we are said to be in need of and benefitting from the presence of immigrants, morale, social cohesion, social trust and community feeling in this country has plunged to levels not seen in my lifetime (I am 64). So too has faith in democracy and in our institutions. Despite its increased standard of living, the quality of life and of social relations here are dire and getting worse by the day.

At a time when the standard of living is supposed to be higher than ever, the native British are are leaving the country at the rate of 300,000 a year.

Britain has turned in to a semi-Soviet Union where state control increases by the day, freedom of speech is history and the views of the people are simply ignored or treatedwith contempt by the political class, who are concerned only for a tiny 'swing' constituency.

The British really are second class citizens in their own country, and increasingly they know it. Certainly the working class do, and now so do many younger people out of university who find themselves competing for jobs with immigrants who can afford to work for less.

If I were young enough, I would leave Britain also.

If you are native British, you have no future here except as one of a minority in an Islamic state, despised for its weakness and stupidity in surrendering its birthright.

The future of your children and grandchildren is grim indeed. Like many, many older people I meet, I pity them and thank God that I for one will not be around to witness the complete obliteration of the country I love and that our fathers and grandfathers bled and died for in WW11.

If people are beginning to vote for the BNP, who can blame them?

I don't.

thoughtly

Firstly the fascists are the UAF who support Iran, hamas and hezbollah who want to wipe Israel and Israeli Jews off the map. Unlike them the BNP accepts Israel’s right to exist. Secondly, Nick Griffin is in the process of reforming his party, ditching all the old clause 4 style baggage of the past, and bringing together a party of black and white loyal British people, who will challenge the One-Party-State corrupt liberal elites, end multicultural balkanisation, Islamisation and mass immigration and bring Britain’s sovereignty back from Europe.

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