"Saboteur" or realist?

Rhoda Klapp

Not entirely joyless, for some..

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/gropenhagen-prostitutes-offer-free-climate-summit-sex/

Ian C

Lawson is so right on this. His is a moderate voice accepting that there may be a problem, but it really is not proven as the extent of the actual dispute among scientists shows.

In the meantime he is simply saying 'hang on a minute'. The timing of the CRU email release was perfect for him, although I imagine he was previously thinking 'let's launch in the run up to Copenhagen'.

Cuffleyburgers

Hope Cameron's listening...

Snowman

Another real danger of the hidden insidiousness of the AGW theory lies in its application in the real world.

Since 1992, we’ve had Rio and Tokyo, yet none of the targets have been met truly by any of the willing subscribers to the stipulated emission cuts. It would be a miracle if anything specific agreed at Copenhagen didn’t meet with a similar fate. The Government here has already given the go ahead for an extension of Stansted, and for three gas fired power stations, to mention but two massive carbon boosting projects, whilst reciting the mantra of the evil of CO2 emissions.

It’s a sure bet that other Governments will mimic this essentially hypocritical stance. In the end, the great unwashed throughout the world will end up where they would have been without this ritual with only one difference – much higher taxes that, as Lawson rightly says, will divert resources from their more productive deployment.

denis cooper

It's going a bit far to use the word "Stalinist".

This was genuinely Stalinist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko

"In 1940 he became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR's Academy of Sciences, and Lysenko's anti-Mendelian doctrines were further secured in Soviet science and education by the exercise of political influence and power. Scientific dissent from Lysenko's theories of environmentally acquired inheritance was formally outlawed in 1948, and for the next several years opponents were purged from held positions, and many imprisoned. Lysenko's work was officially discredited in the Soviet Union in 1964, leading to a renewed emphasis there to re-institute Mendelian genetics and orthodox science."

We haven't quite got to the point where dissenters have been imprisoned - although it has been suggested.

TrevorsDen

"We haven't quite got to the point where dissenters have been imprisoned - although it has been suggested."
Indeed
"What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there's a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they're doing is a criminal act," said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.
"It's an intergenerational crime in the face of all the knowledge and science from over 20 years."

janes hansesn says
"CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature."

Bob

Politicians have one track minds, tax and control, the solution to everything. Carbon dioxide is plant food so if it is a problem just grow more plants and trees, couldn't be simpler.

oldtimer

Ed Milliband popped up on the BBC News at 6pm this evening. It sounded as though he wanted to shut down the debate about, or investigation of, the CRU emails and the related documentation.

This will not do. The emails, computer programmes and statistical analyses released from the CRU need a thorough, independent investigation. The science certainly is not settled, as some would have us believe. There are good reasons to believe that data has been manipulated - "fudged" is the word used in the remarks in the computer code. It is scandalous that the Secretary of State is trying to sweep this under the carpet. He should be calling for an investigation himself not promoting a cover up.

Neil Turner

The Times, today notes the following....

"Speaking at an event at the Natural History Museum in London, the Climate Change Secretary, Ed Miliband, welcomed the IPCC's decision to look at the CRU e-mails but said that it would not affect the scientific consensus.

"We need maximum transparency including about all the data but it’s also very, very important to say one chain of e-mails, potentially misrepresented, does not undo the global science," he said.

"I think we want to send a very clear message to people about that. The SCIENCE IS VERY CLEAR about climate change and people should be in no doubt about that."

So the politician tells us that "the science is very clear".

Us simple souls don't need to concern ourselves with the detail of the argument then ?

Frank P

Lord Monckton and many others who have been on to this gigantic scam since it was first cooked up are putting into a much wider context of supranational agendas,with the ultimate aim of a New World Order; the corrupt UN were to play a major role in these developments. All segments of ideology, politics and financial interests have played the game, hoping to garner benefit. It will be very difficult to unravel this complex series of conspiracies, but the whistleblower at the UEA has done a great service to those of us who have recognised the straws in the wind and have been drawing attention to it for years.

A Lord of the Realm gives a 90 minute presentation in Minnesota that lays the scam on the line and not one Newspaper or TV Station in the UK discusses it? Either what he is saying is true, or he is mad and needs to be exposed as a charlatan. Which is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0

Added to that it is another indication (as we needed it)of the agenda of Marxist Foreign Secretary.

Frank P

Lawson is just another has-been politician trying to turn a limpid scam into a subject for debate rather than a clear conspiracy that deserves criminal investigation and prosecution. This no longer requires scepticism, it is a matter for the Old Bailey. This gigantic fraud has cost the nations of the West countless billions already and Copenhagen is designed to organise Heads of Government to filch even more. Norfolk constabulary should start the ball rolling - why haven't the computers been seized already?

Moraymint

I'm a physicist according to my degree certificate. I believe the evidence suggests that our climate is changing and that man's rampant use of fossil fuels may well have something to do with it.

However, I deplore the politicisation of climate change and am deeply suspicious of any politico-climate-change-fascist (a la Milliband et al) who tells me that the answer to the problem lies in taxing me and/or having the state constrain my way of life.

Our political class is, by and large, an incompetent and self-serving group whose intrusion into the lives of individual citizens must be kept to the barest minimum at all times and all costs.

We need to keep open the debate about climate change and we must place enormous pressure on politicians if we're to prevent climate change becoming the politically-backed, killer religion of the 21st Century.

I support Mr Lawson's initiative. Also, I find his daughter extremely attractive.

2trueblue

Lawson is right, it has to be sensible to look at the whole picture. But this government won't and we will be the poorer for it,in every way.

denis cooper

Nor will the next government, if led by Cameron.

TGF UKIP

Mr Blackburn, a request - if you're going to refer to a forthcoming radio or TV programme, please provide time, date, and channel.

St Bruno

Full marks to Mr Lawson for saying what a lot of ordinary people think about Global Warming.

When the establishment actors, luvies and other loud mouth do-gooders jump on the CO2 bandwagon my highly trained suspicions become activated, not to mention the conspiracy theory radar. If I am amongst the deniers does that make me some sort of political outcast on a par with denying the WW2 Jewish holocaust and the gas chambers etc? For if that is the case then, for me, all credibility that there was in the hypothesis of GW has been dissipated in a fetid cloud of Political dictatorship.

The Prime Minister Gordon Brown must find some other form of taxation to burden the true British taxpayer with in order to put the British economy back on track.

St Bruno

For some really good alternative views about GW visit YouTube just type in David Bellamy and you will be rewarded with a veritable plethora of man-made GW talk.