The lessons of New York's falling murder rate

Kirsty Richards

The differences are that New York, USA is not governed by politically correct morons like the UK is. I don't just mean politicians but the police 'service' (think Ian Blair), CPS, IPCC, the human rights brigade headed by Trevor Philips and most of all the judiciary (which by the way is on the whole elected in the US). Also punishment is much tougher/harsher in the US than it is in the UK. Until the whole thing is reformed to mirror the states then we can't do what they do over there. It is as simple as that, there are too many vested interests, as I have listed above.

Dennis Churchill

What proportion of men between 18 and 30 are imprisoned in New York compared to London?

David Ossitt

Tonight’s BBC television news stated that burglary for the first time in ten years was on the increase, (I doubt these statistics) we were informed that the police were now to target known burglars.

The police spokesman said we will now take the necessary measures that we would for a SERIOUS CRIME.

There you have it; in our country serious crime is:-

Dropping litter, parking a car, smoking a cigarette, giving a Muslim a sideways glance, expressing ones faith (if that faith is Christianity), not agreeing that the joining together of two of the same sex is a marriage, photographing almost any public area, or even photographing your own grandchild, this list could go on and on.

But until know the dastardly crime of burglary; was not on that list, in the eyes of the law it was a minor crime.

The liberal elite have much; to be ashamed of, our world has been turned upside down, good honest standards of living have been bulldozed aside to make way for the politically correct monster, that is, equality and diversity.

David Ossitt

Tonight’s BBC television news stated that burglary for the first time in ten years was on the increase, (I doubt these statistics) we were informed that the police were now to target known burglars.

The police spokesman said we will now take the necessary measures that we would for a SERIOUS CRIME.

There you have it; in our country serious crime is:-

Dropping litter, parking a car, smoking a cigarette, giving a Muslim a sideways glance, expressing ones faith (if that faith is Christianity), not agreeing that the joining together of two of the same sex is a marriage, photographing almost any public area, or even photographing your own grandchild, this list could go on and on.

But until know the dastardly crime of burglary; was not on that list, in the eyes of the law it was a minor crime.

The liberal elite have much; to be ashamed of, our world has been turned upside down, good honest standards of living have been bulldozed aside to make way for the politically correct monster, that is, equality and diversity.

strapworld

Wouldn't it be wonderful to hear a Tory politician show real anger, yes ANGER, at the way our country has become a home for international terrorists and all the reasons put here by David Ossitt and Kirsty Richards. AND for that politician to assure the British people that a Tory Government will reject all the laws that have created this bloody disgrace!

Sadly, I doubt that David Cameron will change anything. We are now a fourth rate country, Thank you Blair and Brown and all the lefties in quango's everywhere!

Pinkindindy

Don't know whether we really want to copy the Shermans...
One in every 18 men in the United States is behind bars or being monitored.

Richard

55% of murders in London are committed by minorities and most of the rest are committed by specific minority populations.

It is actually unusual for a Brit to commit murder in the capital.

Tom

The murder rate in New Y

DavidDP

Freakonomics has been approvingly quoted elsewhere here with regard to climate change, so it's only fair to note their writing on how the legalisation of abortion had a greater impact on the crime rate than any changes in policing methods....

Nicholas

The Reds have never taken crimes against private property seriously. If anything their sympathies lie with those doing the stealing. And they have managed to transfer those values to Plod via a few dodgy and well-groomed senior police officers.

The announcement about targetting burglary is in sharp contrast to the secrecy around setting up the special police squads who, at taxpayers expense, target "hate crime". Wonder why?

wrinkled weasel

If the Metropolitan Police adopted similar tactics there would be an outcry from all the usual suspects.

Until we actually get the truth about knife and gun crime in this country, which is that a large percentage of it is committed by ethnic minorities, especially young black men of Afro Caribbean descent, nothing will change.

To begin, the Met has to be honest about this and publish the statistics, something it has hitherto been reluctant to do, for political reasons.

Next, our dear leaders must be open and honest and order the use of profiling, so that strategies like the ones mentioned in the NYT piece will work here. So then, fat chance of that, eh?

What we have is ordinary law abiding citizens being pestered by the police in order to fill quotas.

AndyinBrum

how many mureders are there in this country per year?

In2minds

All the UK police can do is duff up tourists and professional photographers, in fact anyone with a camera, on the basis that they are a terrorist doing 'strategic reconnaissance'.

Amadeus Plonquer

I think it's great that we've finally found something we're better at than those damned Yankees. The Tories should be careful if they're elected and make up the next government. We don't want to give criminals a bad name now do we?

Andrew

"how many mureders are there in this country per year?"

About 650ish per year, so per capita about six times less than New York.

mick tatlock

You may want to read 'Freakonomics' for an explanation of the fall in crime in NY.

Vulture

I know NYC does not inflict the death penalty, but here's a thought on the day that the Chinese have done so. Between 1950 and 1957 the murder rate in all Britain never rose above 180 a year. The DP was abolished in 1965, since when the murder rate has steadily increased. There are now over 900 a year. Lesser crimes have also increased exponentially TENFOLD. AS the Americans say: Go figure.

Bunnykins

Vulture. Here in South Africa, murder is the pastime of choice. The local population is screaming out for the death penalty to be re-introduced (both blacks and whites alike) but the government refuses to respond. Do all non-Chinese politicians have to attend a special guilt enrichment group which extols the virtues of the criminal and blames the victim?

Beer Moth

You can introduce as much new technology as you like; make massive efficiency improvements; but it will all come to nothing as long as the liberal-left judiciary, lawyers, government, civil service and police chiefs carry on as they are.

The Chinese seem to have some good ideas we might adopt.

Adrian Gobbi

Bang on comments from David Ossitt, Strapworld and WW but absolutely no chance of expecting anything better in the increasingly unlikely chance of the oh, so pc, metropolitan Clique actually winning.

Perhaps, if Loopy gets shot or stabbed next time, they might begin to understand what the hoodies are all about.

Rob

The key problem regarding crime is that First, socialists believe that crime it is the result of a dysfunctional society and when we achieve the socialist nirvana it will all disappear, hence all the PC crap, class envy, hate the market, etc. It has got worse over the last 50 years even though Labour has only been in power for part of that because the Tories have some of the PC hangups and so have not reversed fully the Labour measures. Even Thatcher created more comprehensives than Labour.

Fergus Pickering

Mrs Thatcher or Lady Thatcher please, Rob. Consider the old among us. We refer to women without a prefix only if they are common criminals. Lady Thatcher is our only politician of stature in the last half of the Twentieth Century. Attlee? Faugh!

David Ossitt

Rob.

Fergus Pickering quite rightly corrected you; for your error in referring to the Blessed Margaret, by using her surname without a prefix.

It has long been the practice of the liberal left; labour MP’s, the BBC and those vile thoughtless cretins who pose as alternative comedians, to poke fun, derision and hate at this most accomplished lady.

Fergus asks that you consider the old amongst us; we who were brought up to show respect and courtesy to everyone but to be particularly courteous to women.

Lady Thatcher has; without making a song and dance out of it, secured for herself an honourable place in the history of our country, future generations will look back to her time in office with admiration.

Whilst the comedy dual act of Liar Blair and his crony the Coward Brown will long be remembered for their deceit and warmongering incompetence.

Mike Doherty

A quick google of comparative murder rates around the world shows that the US ranks 24th for murders per capita, the UK 46th - just what, exactly, can we learn from America about reducing murder then?

Martin Studowski

Mike Doherty, what you can learn starts with why the US murder rate (along with virtually every other crime statistic) is falling in the US while rising in the UK and most other european countries, as well as Australia and canada. 15 years ago, the murder rate between the US and the UK was 15:1. Today it's 3:1. With that rate, within 15 years, the UK's murder rate per capital should be ahead of the US. Open your eyes "mate". Not all evil leads to the US contrary to what your british media tells you.