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Wednesday, 30th December 2009

What a difference two years makes

Fraser Nelson 4:16pm

“Did he know who you were? I mean, not to be disrespectful, but he has been away for two and a half years...” So Five Live’s Phil Wiliams asked David Miliband who was talking about his conversation with Peter Moore who has just been released from Iraqi captivity. Brilliant image. The guy gets out of prison, then there’s a call from this nerdy Blairite bag carrier claiming to be foreign secretary. Yegawds, he’d say, what’s happened? Worse, Gordon Brown had become Prime Minister and irreparably trashed the British economy in the space of 24 months. Britain has now joined Zimbabwe in printing money to fund state spending.

At the end of the interview, Williams asked Milliband if Moore was coming back to the UK immediately – it seems not. And who could blame him? There are plenty of secure, properly-run countries out there, with proper governments which are not saddling their taxpayers will decades worth of debt. As the 1,000-a-day Brits who emigrate can tell you, there is another option.  

Filed under: David Miliband (215 more articles) , Gordon Brown (918 more articles) , Labour (2143 more articles) , Recession (176 more articles) , UK politics (5406 more articles)

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Tiberius

December 30th, 2009 5:13pm Report this comment

Careful, Fraser, don't you know loose talk can jeopardize the recovery just as much as a Tory government? Don't take my word for it - just ask Gordon.

Altogether now: "For he's a jolly good fellow..."

Woody

December 30th, 2009 5:23pm Report this comment

Hillary Clinton loves the boy Millipede.

Chris lancashire

December 30th, 2009 5:42pm Report this comment

I would just take issue with the fact that Brown has trashed the country in two years. He's been hard at it for twelve. Credit where it's due.

oldtimer

December 30th, 2009 6:20pm Report this comment

Evidently coming back to the UK would be like out of frying pan into the fire.

Michael Booth

December 30th, 2009 6:38pm Report this comment

And he'll be landing in Londonistan... Stockholm syndrome anyone?

The Moral Coward of Kirkcaldy....

December 30th, 2009 7:08pm Report this comment

Imagine his shock at being released from captivity and being greeted by an invertebrate. Who'd have thought it....

Moraymint

December 30th, 2009 9:50pm Report this comment

Peter Moore. My advice: head for Canada and make a new life there.

The UK is shot. The Marxists had the train set for a decade and more, and drove the train over a cliff. Sitting here in one of the carriages, I'm watching my life flash before me. It doesn't feel good at all.

Oh, and I've given the same succint advice to my 22 year-old daughter just about to graduate with a physics degree from a fine Scottish university. She'd be wasting her life staying in the UK. Such are the wonders of 12 years of unreconstructed Marxism.

JohnAnt

December 30th, 2009 11:08pm Report this comment

Is it true that after speaking with Miliband Moore asked to be handed back to his captors?

JR

December 30th, 2009 11:55pm Report this comment

Fraser - bad Christmas?

Just checked into the site and it seems most of your commentors are now nutjobs and/or BNP supporters. Makes you proud.

Yep there's a hell of a lot of things that could be better about the country but unless someone is rich (signficantly about median income of 27k) like yourself or to a degree me emigration is no choice at all.

If you happen to be of median income or below life is pretty rubbish anywhere if you have to live. I'd love to know where the promised land is but in my experience and according to my friends who have tried its not in - urban Ireland, Italy, France, New York, the mid-west, Australia, Dubai or Japan. New Zealand is good but you need to earn a lot (see above) and you then have to spend lots of money and holiday if you ever wish to see your family and friends. East coast Canada is similar but the traffic is ten times worse than the M25 if you want to live in a city where most of the white collar jobs are and those jobs sink when the US economy goes down.

So where is this utopia?! Sweden with their high cost of living and huge tax rates? Please tell us!

Fergus Pickering

December 31st, 2009 4:55am Report this comment

Does the Millipede have a moustache or should he shave that uper lip more often. A moustache would make him look like what used to be called a wide boy. Hillary and quite a few gays think he is very bedworthy. Well, each to his taste. I have a thing about li'l Hazel Blears which, I know, amazes many.

Sebber

December 31st, 2009 6:55am Report this comment

10 years and 4 days (and counting) since I left the UK to live and work in South Africa, and I've loved every moment of it.

There's no such thing as "the wrong kind of surf".

Mike Towl

December 31st, 2009 7:25am Report this comment

So he thinks he's free does he? Well he will be if the plane bringing him back to "this green and pleasant land" he left isn't grounded by a politically inspired strike, blown up by some nut case radicalised at a UK university or is not available because Gordy has chartered it to nip off on another jolly to save the universe. As any one asked him if he wants to come home?

Roger Davies

December 31st, 2009 8:11am Report this comment

The only advice that one can give to young people is to leave this bankrupt land and do not plan on a return. We need a Mr. Scrooge now and I cannot discern one. I cannot for the life of me understand why we are borrowing or printing money to pay the wages of people we intend to make redundant next summer. Why do we not make the cuts now? Oh silly boy the Wreckers want to buy votes.

Sean Haffey

December 31st, 2009 9:38am Report this comment

Your points are made humorously but inaccurately.

I was in South Africa a week ago. Road death toll of well over 1,000 in December despite less crowded roads and a smaller population. Regular violent crime. (Yes, lovely people, beautiful country and a "can-do" attitude too).

There's a lot that needs fixing in the UK, but it can be done and we will.

Vulture

December 31st, 2009 9:46am Report this comment

Millipede is a weasel. Did anyone notice the way he kept saying 'There have been no SUBSTANTIVE concessions to the kidnappers'. All depends on what you mean by Substantive.
He's the weakest little monkey imaginable.
Let's hope Liebour make him their leader.

Cuffleyburgers

December 31st, 2009 9:56am Report this comment

JR - bad christmas? I disagree with your analysis. I am ensconced in rural Italy, I don't earn much but I have a beautiful house, the weather is generally fantastic, the government is generally too incompetent to bother me.

So crack open another chianti and here's to watching the great GB trainwreck from a distance...

Nicholas

December 31st, 2009 11:57am Report this comment

JR: "Just checked into the site and it seems most of your commentors are now nutjobs and/or BNP supporters. Makes you proud."

Translation: "I do not visit or post here regularly therefore I am a superior being who has come down from my position of moral superiority to see what the little right-wing people are saying. Most of your commentators do not share my political views so I feel entitled to stereotype and marginalise them as either insane or racist or both".

A good demonstration of how the Lefty criteria for equality, fairness and respect does not include those holding dissenting political viewpoints and actually surpasses in prejudice, bigotry and priggishness everything that went before.

Oh, diddums. Were we "talking down" Britain then? Better make that another hate crime.

Noa Zrk

December 31st, 2009 6:06pm Report this comment

Fergus Pickering
Putting a moustache on the Millibands would make them look like a pair of young Adolfs; given D's self-serving sniveling and pusillanimous approach to his abortive leadership bid and E's arrogant ignorant lunatic pronouncements at Copenhagen, the return of Hazel, clutching a fistful of fivers and in whatever outfit you deem appropriate, might well have surprisingly widespread appeal.
Does the Millipede have a moustache or should he shave that uper lip more often. A moustache would make him look like what used to be called a wide boy. Hillary and quite a few gays think he is very bedworthy. Well, each to his taste. I have a thing about li'l Hazel Blears which, I know, amazes many.

JR

December 31st, 2009 6:18pm Report this comment

Cuffleyburgers - my friend lived in rural Italy. He had family out there and went over, rebuilt an old ramshackle breeze block flat of the family up a mountain. He got a job in the only factory in town which paid less than 200EUROs a week. He had to commit fraud to beat their 36 hour law (no opt out over there) to get a bar job to top up his earnings. I loved going over cooking food on the fire outside and having a bottle of wine looking over the valley and going down to the square to drink and have asparagus and pasta at 2am in the morning cooked by the bar owner.

However living over there was impossible. Along with a bit of English teaching were those were the best jobs my mate could get even with a degree in engineering and fluent Italian. That was normal outside the grimey oppresive big cities. It meant he could pay his bills and keep his car going he could never build up any capital to buy a new car, a proper holiday or even the cheap church land his building was on. He had to pay 500Euros to get his English car licensed and there were taxes on everything (more so than the UK). Local politics and building regulations were endemically corrupt. Despite having lots of friends he came back to the UK in the middle of the recession and is a lot happier being a bus driver on the coast here. As I say if you're rich in Italy fine otherwise its even harder than the UK.

Nic - I used to post here a lot when it was a right-leaning but intelligent environment. I think if I recall correctly Fraser publicaly (in an entry) offered to publish anything I wanted to write about a welfare reform white paper as a blog entry on coffee house. I stopped posting so much because the comments got increasingly small minded. I'm happy to have a debate with anyone but unfortunatly the site is now mainly populated by ignoranance and agressiveness. Enjoy!

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