The NYT: The Detroit bomber was radicalised in London

Rob

20% of all British students are Muslim? How can this be? We only have 1.5m Muslims out of a population of 61 million. Are they mostly from overseas or are Muslims vastly overrepresented in HE? I don't understand.

Frank

Of course he was!

Sacre Bleu

Now can we talk about Neather or has nobody got the guts to do so?

Wilhelm

Oh what a suprise , who would have thunk it.

Talk about the bleeedin obvious. A jiggaboo gets radicalised in merry old Londonistan, isnt that what Enoch was talking about.

Rob

The Labour party, and most Lefties believe that the workers and peasants of the world are repressed and exploited by capitalism and the middle class, their running dogs. Workers and peasants unfortunately include all who are non-white whether they are a destitute mother in Zimbabwe, a Muslim terrorist or the son of a wealthy businessman from Togo. Thus, all brown and black people must be accorded freedoms whatever the risk to live in our socialist paradise where they can learn to be selfless. It's tosh of course but that's lefties for you.

We need to revert to the principle that all are equal before the law; black, brown, white, rich or poor: if you break the law or conspire to, your nicked. PC-think has corrupted us all and put us all in danger. It is time it was jettisoned.

Boudicca

In 10 years' time we will be getting the products of state funded Muslim schools to deal with as well.

Our Government seems not to really understand the nature of the 'beast' they have inflicted on the British people.

E. Goldstein

How long before they discover an Iran connection..?

dearieme

What's "Neather"?

Michael Booth

dearieme - you need to google 'neather' to get the full story - it is what has been agitating minds on Coffeehouse for some time. As for being radicalised in London, well what a surprise? And what is going to be done about it? (no, I don't mean how much money is going to be thrown at 'moderate' muslim groups, I mean, what is going to be DONE???????????) As for those who brought about this state of affairs, they need to be charged and brought to face a court of law for basically what amounts to treason.

TomTom

If you analyse risk you profile, and Britain has steadfastly refused to profile because Britain has been a soft touch for Islamic terrorism ever since France expelled Algerians in the 1980s and they moved to London where MI5 turned a blind eye.

Britain is a basket case infiltrated by every viral group under the sun - from Marxists to Islamicists - the carcass provides a refuge for the fetid corruption of extremist politics

David Ossitt

If one has an infestation of vermin in the home; they must all be exterminated lest those who dwell in the house suffer.

If we have a pandemic spreading across the land; endangering the population, all steps that are necessary to protect the people are taken.

If a mad man is running amok with a loaded weapon; the police will take the actions needed to stop him, probably permanently.

Our liberal elite invade our privacy at every turn; hectoring and bullying us to stop smoking, reduce alcohol consumption, and eat less sugar, salt, meat, and dairy products, they nag constantly, telling us to eat our five a day, and the reason that they give, is that they have a duty to protect us from ourselves.

It is not true; it is a lie, what they are doing is a replacement activity for what they should be doing.

They should be clearing out the fifth column that lives within our midst; they should acknowledge what branch of society produces terrorists and get it sorted.

They should face the facts that there are certain groups who run drugs, groups that shoot and knife people, drive without licence, insurance and tax and having faced these facts they should take the necessary action to put a permanent stop to these activities.

The real problem with our liberal elite; is that they believe in human rights, not for the good, the law abiding, the decent majority, the indigenous population, no, their brand of human rights, is reserved for the law breakers, the illegal’s, the crooks, the outlaws, the vicious malcontents, and all of those others who wish serious harm to the rest of us.

Austin Barry

Unhappily, it looks as though the BNP and its military wing, the EDL, will have to sort this out. Our rulers have completey lost the plot.

Dorothy Wilson

And still this Government is handing out student visas in what appears to be ever increasing quantities. There should be a - low - finite number every year and only for study at reputable universities.

Beer Moth

"blaa blaa ethnic minorities blaa blaa marginalisation blaa blaa inclusivity blaa blaa rich fabric of diversity blaa blaa islamophobia blaa blaa".

The end-phase of a Europe too high on its liberal intravenous feed, to notice that the new tenants have moved in and grow impatient for the death push.

TrevorsDen

We could easily shut down half our so called 'universities'. Currently of course one of the few things we are good at is breeding muslims. 1.5 million? Don't make me laugh.

But hey go ahead vote UKIP, and give Brown a second chance to sort it all out. Gosh to be sure, he must get it right next time the poor man. Yes go vote UKIP and answer Gordons prayers.

Moraymint

" ... London has become the centre of radicalisation in the Western world ..."

Just what the Marxist nutters running our country for the past 12 years wanted, isn't it? Aren't we all supposed to be thrilled at such vibrant multiculturalism?

Jez

@ Wilhelm.

Can you stop using the word jiggaboo?

You islolate your argument to an area that not many want to visit.

Jez

Austin Barry;

You are talking loudly out of your bottom linking those two organisations together in such way i feel.

All the best.

Rob C

It is less of a lack of security resources that makes us weak, more the fact that we have an over-liberal society that craves attention and seeks to offend. It has been 'trendy' for a long time here to be as diverse, as questionable and outspoken as possible. Whilst debate is healthy, taking an offensive position simply because no-one else has is not always defensible and common sense is all too often lost. There are elements of society that always want to push boundaries as far - or further than they can with the prime objective of seeking attention or inflicting their views on others. Sadly there will always be those 'followers' of low intellect that can be swayed or manipulated in the belief they are supporting a downtrodden minority. This trend is apparent throughout society and many people fail to appreciate that some are minorities for a reason. We, more than any other society look for excuses for delinquent behavior rather than enforcing boundaries and as such Islam itself worries me less than the liberals. We need to get a grip of our destiny before it's too late and we need to look hard at our 'liberal' higher education system and Islamic Ghettos where this terrorism is breeding. In addition, we need much tighter border controls and pay more attention to other counties 'exiles' and reasons they were exiled in the first place. The view that we cannot refuse asylum on the basis that an individual may be executed in their home country is wrong - there may be be good reason for their execution and it should not be our role to accept these people regardless. Based on recent events and the fact that we export as many terrorists as anywhere, we are clearly in no position to preach about how other countries deal with criminals (UK citizens or otherwise). When we have a perfect system and low crime then we can lecture others, but until then we should shut up and get our own house in order!

JohnPage

This makes a nonsense of the stated aims of the Afghan war. First, because terror is mobile. Yemen ... Somalia ... it travels light and easily. Second, if anything like a fifth of our students are Islamic and so many educational institutions were closed down as bogus (did I remember 2,000 correctly?), we are wide open to terrorist infiltration.

If that's right ... why haven't we seen more incidents?

TrevorsDen

There is another black humour hilarity about this 'kecks' bomber.

Its clear that US security failed. They had opportunities to stop this bloke - he was on their lists.

but lefty US media do not make the obvious comparison any more than the loony tune left blogs do.

This is exactly the same as happened with 911. Security failed then, the only difference then was that lefty nutjobs leaped in and said it was all a Bush CIA Blackwater plot.

JohnAnt

If I lived in Mansfield Street, W1 (just a few steps from Weymouth Mews, Mansfield Mews, Harley Place and Portland Place) I'd be tempted to sue the NYT for libel at having my address described as 'in London's Bloomsbury district'! (Presumably that was a slip-up by the NYT pics captions ed.)
Otherwise, the article is really, when you read it closely, just very basic University of London islamist student background that any fule kno, plus some vague third-party speculation.
Just a detail, but while Mansfield Street is indeed 'within walking distance' of the UCL campus, it's but about 20-25 minutes walking each way. So it's not that surprising Abdulmutallab's Isl.Soc. mate didn't get to visit him at his flat. (Or is it Daddy's flat, maybe?)
The current UCL overseas undergraduate student tuition fees are £16,080 per year. UK/EU students pay £3,225 per year. I'm guessing that UCL, like other universities, prays seven times a day for applications from the area of the world outside the EU, whose younger generation happens to be predominantly...Ah.

Cogito Ergosum

The NYT and the British press make much of his being President of the UCL Islamic Society. But that is a student society; even Conservative and Labour Societies at university are not paragons of wise and considered thought.

The real question is, "who were his controllers?". I guess that is what MI5 is trying to find out.

Sam ARMSTRONG

We, as British people need to take a good long hard look at ourselves and our country. We have lost our nerve, we are weak. Just look at the confident way in which the non-British in our society comport themselves. Many British people look tired, fed up, hunch-backed and overworked, with probably a divorce or a drink problem or a 'bi-polar' or some such newfangled disorder to keep us awake at night. We are booking ourselves into death clinics because we can't be bothered to face down grave illness any more. The country is dirty, inefficient and blighted by crap buildings. everyone feels powerless.

It is the way we see ourselves and our chronic low self esteem as a nation which is leading us down this path. This neurotic sense of self-hatred will be the end of us. The Muslims know we feel like this, and they are going to use it to their advantage.

Frank P

I gather you don't read your own speccy blog colleague's articles, James. Melanie has beaten you to it by 2 days and it has been common knowledge throughout sentient humanity for the past five days.

Verity

President Bush was superb over 9/11. When they told him, he was sitting in a class with children somewhere not in DC, and chatting with them and he displayed the most admirable sang-froid. And, indeed, his blood must have run cold. Indeed, frozen in his veins. Yet, no panic. Finished his chat with the children, and his people apologised to the school and said the President had to return to DC unexpectedly. Everything orderly, calm, controlled. (To be fair to Obama, he would have probably finished his golf game.)

And Mr Bush and his people locked machinery in place really fast. We don't know what the plans were, but no more terrorist incidents under his watch.

It's been one muslim thing after another under Obama. First, the islamic army major murders around 16 soldiers in Ft Hood, TX, and horribly wounds many more - in the place they most secure. They weren't even armed. Next. Mr Exploding Underwear, and later on the same day, another Nigerian islamic terrorist on a different flight to Detroit. Maybe they heard Detroit's nicknamed MoTown and thought the Mo was something to do with mohammad. A lot of mohammeds in the US do nickname themselves Mo to try to distance themselves ...

Archie

This cannot go on. It will not do. It is no good!

Roy Smith

It is utterly disgraceful that this African should have had all the facilities that London can offer in the education line, yet blows it all in a mindless effort for immortality. Every single English person in the country should see to it they protest in some form to their capital city being used as a trash container for the worlds Islamic scumbags to gather, accumulate, and stink out the globe with their fowl odour. It is no joke, it is a disgusting reality to the nonexistence of any sensible organised border system.

thomas

Whilst we clearly have a serious problem with Islamic nutters, in this case it is a case of the US attempting to palm off the blame for their own failings onto us. Hence the leftist NYT takes up the cudgel, as it is the left who run the current US administration. The NYT are covering the back of the Obama administration.

This man bought a ONE WAY TICKET with NO BAGGAGE and paid in CASH. He was already on a watch list and had been banned from Britian. If the US doesn't sharpen up and stop blaming others for this atrocious security failure that makes a mockery of all the billions thrown at military and security projects post-9/11 then they will be defenceless.

It says something for the treasonous blood running through the veins of this pathetic government that they instinctively cower cravenly to the Americans in such an event. Not content to sell us out to the EU they have ben doing the same to the US. Instinctive traitors, treasonous to their very bones - it's anyone but England for all of them. (Unless your a Pakistani drug dealer with X-factor ambitions and undiagnosed depression.)

Fergus Pickering

Is that NYT figure of 100,000 Muslim students right? How did theyarrive at it. I wouldn't believe ANY statistic retailed to me by a journalist wihout some sort of source. What is the source? Does anybody know. I know there is a mad muslim under every bush, but all the same.

Wilhelm

Jez

Let me put this way because I like to be helpful to quote George Orwell

'' freedom of speech is not to say agreeable things that people want to hear but to say disagreeable things that people dont want to hear.''

And that is that.

Vulture

Remind me, Mr Speccie, just why you got rid of Mark Steyn? Everything he predicted five years or so ago is coming to pass, yet you just shot the messenger.

Did anyone notice the small news item this week abt a Mosque and Islamic school in the Midlands being torched and damaged beyond repair? There may be trouble ahead...

Frank P

Roy Smith

Fowl odour? Well he was malign, deluded, fanatical to the point of self-destructive madness - but chicken? Hardly! Or where you implying that he is an un-pheasant plucker?

Victor Southern

It is hard to see why the USA should hold the UK to blame here. They issued his visa. The Dutch transported him. The mere fact that he spent 3 years here is hardly cause to condemn the UK. We even refused him a further study visa.

He may have spent 3 years here but he spent some time in the Yemen and 20 years in the Muslim community in Nigeria.

So, take your blame and shove it. The buck stops with Obama.

Tommy Judd

Blimee, I just through all these comments. This failed bombing really did bring out the racist wing of the Spectator readership I had thought was long gone. This case highlights how lax we've been with islamism on the campuses and buries the left's conviction that these attacks are by the poor and oppressed. But it doesn't say anything about "jiggaboos" and their inate propensity to stab and shoot. And as for Robert Ludlum's "Neather Memorandum," dream on. The big change Labour made was in not derogating from the labour-movement implications of east European EU accession. "Londonistan" took root under the Tories.

David Ossitt

Jez.

What is it that makes you feel that you have the right to censure; not one but two of our fellow posters?

Whilst criticising Wilhelm; you have the audacity to assume that not many will agree with his argument or his choice of words, he, Wilhelm has as much right to freedom of expressing his opinions no matter how different to yours as the rest of us have.

My only comment is in his spelling of the said word; I would use only a single(g).

You then go on to criticise Austin Barry; you accuse him of talking loudly out of his bottom, he did not.

Your “all the best” sign off did not excuse your bad manners.

Derek Pasquill

Time for the authorities to take another look at Martin Bright's Policy Exchange pamphlet, When Progressives Treat with Radicals, published in 2005, and based to some extent on material supplied by me, showing the extent to which policies of appeasement may be a factor in the radicalisation of young, British Muslims.

Publius

@Vulture
"Remind me, Mr Speccie, just why you got rid of Mark Steyn?"

I believe Mark Steyn upped his price and The Speccie couldn't afford him. I don't think he was kicked out.

How I wish he would agree to come back, though. He makes the case for proper liberalism as opposed to the lefty post-modern namby-pamby touchy-feely do-what-thou-wilt-shall-be-the-whole-of-the-law Metro version favoured by far too many in the British political establishment.

David Ossitt

Tommy Judd

“Blimee, I just through all these comments (sic). This failed bombing really did bring out the racist wing of the Spectator readership I had thought was long gone”

Tommy Judd; you have obviously fallen for, and believe the big lie; the lie that those who seek to control us have used to force all of the wrongs that have been imposed on us in the past 50 years.

Be it Europe, multiculturalism, equality and diversity, health and safety, human rights, the list goes on and on.

The big lie is calling the thoughts, opinions and beliefs of the majority as racist.

It is a basic human trait to put your family, the clan, and your fellow country men before all others, to deny this truth goes against nature.

To call someone a racist; because he uses strong or (to you) offensive words to describe his disquiet at the attempted murder of innocents, by a Black Muslim is deplorable.

Anne Wotana Kaye

The distribution of student visas is a joke, in a similar manner as to how certain people are given British citizenship or, in many cases, just shunted in to remain forever, reproducing like rabbits. The saddest thing, however, is the way the once humorous, tolerant and basically kind English, and here I mean those who are not members of the loonie 'humanitarian' caste, have divided into two main groups. The first has become completely apathetic, and has withdrawn into a half-life of work or unemployment, Tv and perhaps the pub. The second group, and here many "Spectator" readers will be found, have become angry, bitter and almost spiteful. I include myself in this last group. 2010 is nearly here, don't let those evil Nu Labour creatures turn us into sour beings. We must get rid of them as quickly as possible. Happy New Year.

John Richardson

Wilhelm.

Personally, I was pleased 'Jez' responded to your use of language as it meant I didn't have to.
You quote Orwell in reference to free speech.You cannot imagine Orwell was defending offensive stupidity or racism.
You also ignore the point 'Jez' was (sincerly helpful) in making to you.
You do not even attempt to explain or defend use of language.

We are what we are Wilhelm.

Jez

Hi all,

@ David Ossitt; 'freedom of speech', as Willhelm puts it, gives me that 'right feeling' (baby).

@ Willhelm; If i were a decent enough black or non-white guy and was just as p*ssed off at what's happening to this country because i'm 'putting in' but watching that same 'effort' (e.g. tax, sovereignty, jobs etc) being given away (in front of my eyes) then it would probably make me non-receptive to your argument if you called a non-white that had done wrong a 'Jiggaboo', thus using (as my opinion only) a blanket racial slur.

It is your right to use and write that Willhelm but i won't take you seriously afterwards pal.

If you do 'Dave' then good onya.

@ Austin Barry; Your conclusion is wrong about those two organisations being connected- or that one is actually 'a military wing'... of anything.

Pardon my audacity here guys- but the horse has bolted now.

The numbers in the 'red flashing alarm' areas have 'gone' e.g. Inner city London, Birmingham, Bradford and many parts of the M62 belt.

As an opinion (i'm very opinionated aren't I?) now will start be the politics of fracture / division. Rapidly diminishing will be the opportunities for liberal-elitist fools to parachute some window dressed puppet into split town's to play-off each community against each other; e.g. Dewsbury via Warsi/Malik. By that i mean, speak in one mother-tongue to 'locals' and another to 'the other locals'.

People have woken up.

The words; free for all, self interest and looking after number one seem to spring to mind.

The mainstream are dashing for the finish line, nowhere near prepared enough. By the time they've realised it's all f*cked up, they'll have been well and truly overtaken... if that's not already happening.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

I notice a few posts accusing jolly good regulars, such as David Ossitt and Austin Barry of racism. We all know that this accusation is a card pulled out when there are neither grounds nor intellectual abilities to defend an argument. So come on guys, don't try and act dumb, surely you
can present better reasons for your disagreements. By the way, whatever has happened to the terrible Patricia Shaw. Heard she was seen shopping for a large size in knickers!

Jez

Let's put this to bed.

F*ck 'racism'. And F*ck the lot of the goons that use this 'racism' rubbish as 'card' to get out of jail (hypothetically speaking).

Willhelm has used the term 'Jigaboo'.

It's an old and crap term. It loses more than it gains as a terminology or if used in any argument.

This trans-atlantic clown who was 'ready, set, go' to blow up the aeroplane was an Islamic nutter.... who was incidently black.

'Jigaboo' is a derogatory term for black people on a whole. But it wasn't because he was black that he was sat with a small improvised explosive device strapped to his scrotum whilst enjoying his in-flight movie, was it?

So why call him a 'Jigaboo'?

Call him a twa*, a c*nt, a sh*thead or even something to do with the ideology that got him on fire in business-class, but;

a. Willhelm got it wrong,

b. your peering up the wrong tree 'Anne' and,

c. and when you use this term you'll find that the people that should be held accountable for all this (e.g. the liberal elite for one instance) actually have the good fortune to have their detractors start throwing the term 'Jigaboo' into any kind of argument, then they rub their hands together in glee and get off scot-free.... by emphasising the race card thingy-majig.

Are you so thick that you cannot see this?

No hope.

Jez

er, Anne,

just seen the back end of your posting and it wasn't as outright 'out of order' as when i embarked on the one above by me (if it gets in), this as i've now read it properly!

The last thing i would ever want to to be accused of (ever, in my life) is a person who would use 'a race card' such as the mainstream media, liberal elite or the left do on a daily basis.

Anyone who does is the lowest of the low. That is a fact.

Willhelm is so off the mark by using that term like that though.

It's wrong- not because 'it might hurt someone's feelings' (it's a industry perpetuating / Neathergate ploy of the ERHC types that large communities need kid gloves to survive in the big bad UK) but it demeans any leverage by the huge sector of the UK population in solid, sensible debate on how this nightmare has happened and how can it be tackled. It also immediately comprimises the position of large chunks of assimilated non-white British citizens of taking a stand against the rot that is taking this country out.

Divide and conquer- use divisive words and in 30 years to gain time for the liberal elite = EU / Islamist free-trade hell-hole; Previously aka United Kingdom.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

JEZ, Seriously I do not know what you are trying to tell me. I presume the 'Anne' in your letter is fot me. In my posting of 3:27 I expressed my dismay at David Ossitt and Austin Barry being accused of racism. I made no mention of Willhelm, and in fact, excuse my ignorance, but I have never heard the term he used which you say is offensive. I have heard and read quite a lot, but this particular word has never crossed my path before. Plenty of 4-letter oines, but not that.

Jez

@ Anne Wotana Kaye 1

I hold my hands up; Yep. Went overboard there.

Maybe in the 'fog' it went a bit Pete Tong.

If you read back it might be a little more explanatory.

To conclude; The word 'Jigaboo' = not cool.

;)

Sincerely, all the best.

Augustus

Britain is far too tolerant. Give them a finger and they'll take the whole hand. every piece of land on which a mosque is built belongs to Islam, and will forever be so. How long before the country belongs to them? In its march towards domination the mosque plays a central role. It is not only a place of worship, it's also a command centre for jihad. A conquest of the whole of Europe is the aim, by peaceful means if possible. And governments and people are entirely indifferent, and even willing accomplices. While the European elite play on the lyre of multiculturalism, cities will surely burn.

Archie

Vulture: Mark Steyn disappeared from The Telegraph at around the same time. The murky hand of les freres Barclay, I suspect! (Let's see if this makes it through the mod wilderness!)

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Jez: New Year, new page. :-)

Jez

Anne Wotana Kaye 1,

Too right. :)

Have a good New Year.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

The once respected BBC is now the despised and biased mouthpiece of the degenerate government led by an unelected prime minister. Today on the BBC TV 1 News, the death of yet another serviceman only was announced in third place, after a load of, to put it nicely Ed BALLS. The Detroit bomber it seems, was a gentle and kindly soul. Who was the expert giving this pronouncement? A university pal, a bearded, odd looking fellow of Islamic appearance. This chap stated in a squeaky voice that he wished he could ask his dear old buddy what brought him to such a pass. When the bomber was in London, he was such a gentle, humble bloke, into football etc. No doubt we will soon be informed that the wicked West, capitalism, etc. was to blame. The BBC are such good pals of the terrorists, do they get free or subsidised petrol?