The government caves in to the Muslim Council of Britain
James Forsyth 7:15pm
The government has caved in its dispute with the Muslim Council of Britain. The government broke off relations with the group over its deputy director-general Daud Abdullah signing the Istanbul Declaration. Indeed, Daud Abdullah even instigated legal action against the then Communities Secretary Hazel Blears over her statements about what the declaration called for.
But now Stephen Pollard is reporting that the government is bringing the MCB back in. A DCLG spokesperson tells Pollard that an MCB commitment to examine “their internal processes and ensure that the personal actions of all members, including senior leaders, remain true to the organisation's agreed policies, avoiding a repeat of the issues which arose after one member signed the Istanbul Declaration...has led to the Government lifting the suspension of its formal relationship with that organisation.” Crucially, though, Daud Abdullah’s signature does not appear to have been taken off the document.
Pollard is reporting that the return of the MCB is part of a deal over changes to the law on universal jurisdiction aimed at preventing a repeat of the situation which occurred late last year where an arrest warrant was issued for the former Israeli foreign minister and leader of Kadima Tzipi Livni ahead of a planned visit to the UK.
There is as yet no word from the Tories on this decision. But Paul Goodman, who was until the end of this year the Tory spokesman on these issues, has slammed the decision as “appeasement of extremists by a bunch of politicians scared witless of losing their seats.”
One thing to watch for is whether the MCB attends Holocaust Memorial Day this year. If it doesn’t, it will highlight just how wrong-headed the government’s decision is.



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Number7
January 15th, 2010 7:57pm Report this commentVote chasing?
No they couldn't be so lacking in principle.
Could they?
David Ossitt
January 15th, 2010 7:59pm Report this comment“appeasement of extremists by a bunch of politicians scared witless of losing their seats.”
Spot on.
ndm
January 15th, 2010 8:17pm Report this comment-- But Paul Goodman, who was until the end of this year the Tory spokesman on these issues, has slammed the decision as “appeasement of extremists by a bunch of politicians scared witless of losing their seats.”
The appeasement here is making more difficult the prosecution of indictable war criminals who have for decades committed Israel to its strategy of committing the war crime that is its colonization of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. This colonization that has become the central ideology of the State of Israel is a canonical violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and, as such, is a war crime.
We need a word with the moral force of anti-Semite to describe those who continue to appease these war crimes BECAUSE Israel is a Jewish State.
Peter From Maidstone
January 15th, 2010 8:19pm Report this commentWhy don't we form the National Council of Britain to be a representative body for British people? It seems that the political class is corrupt(ed) and we need to start again. Why not with a real British, ideally an English, Parliament of the people for the people?
mitch
January 15th, 2010 8:25pm Report this commentthis is just vote chasing, pitiful really.
2trueblue
January 15th, 2010 8:42pm Report this commentWhat did Denham say about minorities yesterday??????? These uys have no idea. We are governed by idiots.
Austin Barry
January 15th, 2010 8:51pm Report this commentThis kind of nonsense is counterproductive.
The more the Government proffers its simian rear to Islam, the more its (former?)core constituency, the white working class, will move to the BNP. And, really, who can blame them.
Michael Booth
January 15th, 2010 8:55pm Report this commentmakes me really ashamed...might as well start handing out the burkhas now
Snowman
January 15th, 2010 9:17pm Report this commentThe time of the elections must be getting nearer then.
Jez
January 15th, 2010 9:17pm Report this comment"There is as yet no word from the Tories on this decision."
Huh?!
Really?!!
You don't say!!!!!
(seriously- is that a p*ss-take you've slipped in there?)
:))))
YA
January 15th, 2010 9:17pm Report this commentVote for Labour = Vote for MCB
Mordor Council of Britain
Chuck Unsworth
January 15th, 2010 9:24pm Report this commentSo the MCB has promised to deliver the Muslim vote. Nothing on paper, of course. That is not the Muslim way. That is not the NuLab way.
In2minds
January 15th, 2010 9:27pm Report this commentRemember all those pictures of Ken Livingstone hugging
Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi? That's the same man who described Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel as "martyrs".
Well this sort of trick did not help Livingstone to another term as Mayor of London and the cave to the MCB won't work for Nulabour either.
However, I can imagine the BNP are happy!
Charles E Hardwidge
January 15th, 2010 9:36pm Report this commentI'm a coooooooooooooool dude
kein
January 15th, 2010 11:37pm Report this commentwhere is the incentive NOT to vote bnp ?
ULAIDH
January 16th, 2010 12:01am Report this commentWell nobody needs a crystal ball to see how it will all turn out, just look at N. Ireland. The IRA in government, murderers walking the streets, the pro-british majority hopelessly split between the naive wishful thinkers and the more realistic ones who are pilloried for being the problem, whilst the IRA (called "dissident" this time round rather than "Provisional" as before - though like the muslim agitators in England, the title of their club might change but the membership remains the same) continue to cause more murder and mayhem, and the appeasers sing their old refrain - something about "hearts and minds" I think.
Actually, maybe that crystal ball could be usefully knocked against Cameron's head and see if just once, he might be traumatised into a glimpse of reality.
Frank P
January 16th, 2010 12:28am Report this comment"The Government caves into the Muslim Council of Britain"
You mean Gordon and his gang have an underground passage that leads from No.10 directly into the MCB offices? Scary!
Roy Smith
January 16th, 2010 12:54am Report this commentWhen "Haiti" is in the news a certain poetic similarity comes to mind.
Pete
January 16th, 2010 3:20am Report this commentWho on earth wants these scumbags taking part in Holocaust Memorial Day anyway???
It would diminish the whole occasion. Why not invite Nick Griffin et al as well?
Stephen
January 16th, 2010 8:56am Report this commentAnother reason to vote for UKIP? At least they seem to have the guts to stand up to the PC brigade on banning the Burka. Well done UKIP for supporting British Values they have been around a long time whilst PC is fairly recent thing!
Frank Leader
January 16th, 2010 9:05am Report this commentNothing unusual in that is there?
Beer Moth
January 16th, 2010 9:08am Report this commentndm
The real colonisation going on apace at the moment is that of Europe, by muslims. That is a form of aggression, and will lead to great suffering and violence. And all we hear from you is some UN resolution, hammered together by feckless and corrupt politicians.
anne wotana kaye 1
January 16th, 2010 9:31am Report this commentThe Muslim Council of Britain is now known as The Muslim Government of Britistan
Derek Pasquill
January 16th, 2010 9:51am Report this commentPathetic.
But not surprising after Hazel Blears was shunted aside.
http://twitter.com/pasquill59
C Powell
January 16th, 2010 10:05am Report this commentMeanwhile on the front page of the Telegraph you read the story that the US considers that Britain is the largest base for Al-Qaeda in the Western World and that Britain is as a result the source of the biggest threat.
By this decision Labour have now conclusively proved that they a threat to our security.
Taipei Exile
January 16th, 2010 11:03am Report this commentAnother fanatical, entirely unnecessary minority group, accorded a ludicrously disproportionate amount of publicity and a recipient of public funds. Wonderful stuff.
DaveP
January 16th, 2010 11:04am Report this commentMuslim Child Brides in Britain
It is heartbreaking, even as it is unsurprising. In Britain, the authorities are now reporting the forced marriage of girls as young as nine years old on British soil. We are not talking about one case, but several, which take place under official protection. We are not speaking, then, about parents or “husbands” who are being charged with a criminal offense. The situation, in other words, is completely unacceptable and makes clear that we have a crying need for a new approach to these matters. Government must put its foot down – and powerfully so – so that there will be no doubt as to the way in which such grotesque crimes will be addressed.
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/01/14/muslim-child-brides-in-britain-by-hege-storhaug/
What with "honour" killings", FGM, Halal slaughter, this madness has to stop. It is getting more and more obvious, that allowing Muslims to settle in large numbers in the UK, is dragging us down to the level of Muslim societies.
In addition, with terrorism from within, we cant even enter prominent cultural sites, Vatican for instance, without being searched.
Islam is not compatible with Western culture. Period.
George J
January 16th, 2010 11:06am Report this commentThe BNP are looking a more sensible electoral choice every day. The Muslim Council of Britain are promoters of cultural apartheid, the inevitable consequence of which will be civil unrest.
old sailor
January 16th, 2010 11:08am Report this commentI am very old and British, however I feel like a foreigner in my own country so guess how I will be voting The three main political parties have sidelined the British electorate in favour of ethnic minorities who come here under the guise of asylum seekers or as illegal immigrants. Under international law “Asylum Seekers” are obliged to seek asylum in the first country they reach upon crossing their own nations borders. Therefore we do not have any legitimate asylum seekers they are all illegal immigrants.
Furthermore they receive on arrival FREE food, accommodation, medical and dental treatment. Old age pensioners however have to contribute to dentistry from their meagre pensions most of which is forfeited should they spend any length of time in hospital and their property is confiscated if they go into care.
The political correct brigade have ruined the right of free speech and undermined our sense of humour. Ethnic minorities have used the innocuous
“Human Rights Act” to subvert both our laws and our culture.
We have had enough of E.U. regulation and governments who deny us a referendum on Europe. THAT is why the BNP is becoming stronger
The White British are definitely discriminated against; you can call someone a cockney, a scoucer, a jock or taffy, no problem. But call anyone from Pakistan a P*** or a gypsy a p**** and you will be arrested.
Likewise Gypsies can leave piles of rubbish anywhere they like and get away with it. When did you last hear of gypsies being prosecuted for litter? Yet drop a fag end in the street and you will receive an instant fine. No wonder the BNP are gaining ground
Frank S
January 16th, 2010 11:29am Report this commentWhat would Chamberlain have done?
Nicholas
January 16th, 2010 11:34am Report this commentCharles E Hardwidge: "I'm a coooooooooooooool dude"
Actually you are notorious for being rather sad.
Vulture
January 16th, 2010 11:41am Report this commentThere is only one problem worth talking about in this country - and no, its not (even) the economy, stupid.
It is the reverse-colonisation of this country by Muslims, primarily from the Indian sub-continent, but also from Somalia.
The deliberate import of millions of peasants with a Third World way of life, and Third century values and belief systems - added to the alienation of second and third generation Muslims caught between their own and the host cultures is producing an explosive mix.
Stir in the deep resentment of the indiginous white working class displaced by the influx, and the supine surrender of their traditional party to the incomers and you have a recipe for civil unrest and social breakdown.
The Liebour party, having deserted its roots, now represents only the following constituencies.
1) Muslims.
2) Criminals (convicted felons I mean, not just the ones in Westminster).
3) Employees in public-sector non-jobs and their dependents.
4) Workshy benefit drawers weaned on the state's teat.
5) Marxist and bien pensant intellectuals.
I reckon that amounts to about 20 % of those who vote. The other 5-10% who will vote Liebour are the plain daft.
But the real tragedy is that Dave Heath-Cameron is also signed up to ostrich politics. (Bury your head in the sand and display your arse for a good kicking).
I give it 2-3 year max before the s**t REALLY hits the fan.
Ghengis
January 16th, 2010 11:46am Report this commentOld Sailor --- I am also old, but an airman. The principles you obviously wish our “elected representatives” to protect are no different from those prevalent at our entry into WW2. What has “gone down the pan” is the moral fibre of those presently infesting our Houses of Parliament.
Keith
January 16th, 2010 11:58am Report this commentBut the MCB represent very few of the moderate Muslims living in Britain today most of whom deeply resent this body which leans toward extremism and the kind of views that they came to Britain to escape and were then betrayed by the multiculturalism of the Govt which denied them the opportunity to integrate.
Stephen Gash
January 16th, 2010 12:17pm Report this commentStephen Pollard is the editor of the Jewish Chronicle a journal which lambasted Stop Islamisation Of Europe - SIOE and urged Jews not to support a SIOE demonstration against Jihad coming out of the mosques in England. The organisers also asked for Jews to describe the increase in anti-Jewish attacks in Europe and the biased reporting against Israel.
That he is now whining about the MCB, an organisation smaller than SIOE, and which SIOE also has more than a few reservations about, beggars belief.
My own personal view is that Stephen Pollard is a holier-than-thou hypocrite.
old sailor
January 16th, 2010 1:34pm Report this commentGhengis
I think this says it all
Britain Today.
What Democracy ?
Democracy, in Britain is nothing but a lie.
From the dictionary the word should be deleted
Whilst democracy’s the slogan that politicians cry
The majority of us feel that we’ve been cheated
With political correctness forced upon us every day
Just in case the casual word may cause offence
If you have a strong opinion be careful what you say
Even though you may be talking perfect sense
When we joined the E.E.U. I’m sure we took the view
It would give a larger market for our trade
Yet now our mighty nation has a legal obligation
To abide by regulations Brussels made
The referendum was denied, the politicians lied
These decisions were decided by the few
It was no doubt understood, M.Ps thought it would be good
With a total disregarding of our view
MP’s pull out all the stops to try to fill our shops
With G.M foods that we don’t want to eat
Whilst cameras check our speed on roads where there’s no need
We’d be better off with coppers on the beat
If when confronted by a crook you land a good right hook
You may think that he deserved it, it’s his fault
When he is on probation you’ll be locked up down the station
To appear before a jury for assault
When travellers leave a mess, you’d be spot on if you guess
That authorities will turn an eye that’s blind
Yet drop a fag end in the street and before it hits your feet
You will get an instant ticket and be fined
If asylums what you seek and English you can’t speak
Benefits are paid for your welfare
But if your British and your old, your property is sold
To pay for any time you are in care
If you chastise your child, because he has run wild
That law will on your collar give a tug
For no matter what you say, do-gooders rule the day
Even though the child may grow into a thug
In the interest of fair play referendums are the way
The majority decide just where we go
We shouldn’t change our laws or take part in futile wars
To massage a political ego
When we are due a big election, parties vie for our affection
Promising the things they have in store
It fair gives us the hump, they should take a running jump
They must realise we’ve heard it all before.
It is hard to understand who governs our fair land
Or who it is that makes up all our rules
Our politicians bore us, or totally ignore us
Democracy in Britain! It’s for fools!!.
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Marcher Baron
January 16th, 2010 1:35pm Report this commentIt'll be either Dhimmitude or a fight. Myself, I prefer the latter.
TrevorsDen
January 16th, 2010 1:46pm Report this commentThere is an election coming and labour are prepared to lick Muslim arse to get their vote
Verity
January 16th, 2010 2:21pm Report this commentVulture, incisive and well articulated as ever. However, this was a missep, which cheers me up enormously, and will have driven tens of thousands more into the welcoming arms of the BNP. And why not? Who would you rather be friends with – immigrants from a deeply, deeply primitive society (they commit incest with their first cousins generation after generation. Pakistani men think family reunions are a great place to meet girls), pre-Medieval society, or British patriots whose ancestors built this country and have contributed to the fact that, since 1066, no one has succeeded in subduing us?
Dave P – It’s not just the deeply abnormal, primitive and illegal selling of their little 9-year old daughters into “marriages” but don’t forget, they also slice her clitoris off so she’ll never enjoy sex and therefore never be tempted to desert her “husband” and run off with another man, thus not only bringing shame on the family, but also, more important, upsetting the financial arrangement that were made with the “groom’s” family.
I humbly suggest that it is time that some terrier investigative reporters started looking into the life of Inayat Bunglawala or whatever his name is.
Daniel
January 16th, 2010 2:42pm Report this commentGet real. Muslims are 2.7% of Britain's population, are disproportionately aged under 18 (and are thus actually less than 2.7% of the electorate) and tend to live in already safe Labour seats. It makes no sense for Labour (or indeed any national party) to 'appease' such an electorally insignificant group in order to get their votes.
And just come on, this is the same government which knowingly sent us into a illegal war in Iraq based on lies. That was hardly bending over backwards to appease Muslims was it?
Robert
January 16th, 2010 2:42pm Report this commentLabour truly are scum. They will suck up to this bunch of fascist Muslim thugs just to protect their seats. The laughably named MCB will not change, they will not give but they will happily take. Both Labour & the MCB are a match made not in heaven but in hell. They have no principles, no values, no nothing. They make me sick to my stomach.
Vulture
January 16th, 2010 3:12pm Report this comment@Daniel: Do you carry a white stick when you are out and abt in London and any other big British city? I can only charitably conclude this from your ludicrous assertion that Muslims make up 2.7 % of the population.
It is you who needs to 'get real'. Or at least ask someone with a working pair of eyes to help you do some counting.
What is certainly true is that you clearly share the suicidal indifference of the phlegmatic old Brits at the imminent extinction of their land and nation. They just grunt, fart, scratch their balls, then turn over and go back to sleep.
Sweet dreams before you awake to Dhimmitude.
AAE
January 16th, 2010 3:24pm Report this commentold sailor - thank you for both those heartfelt posts. You are not alone.
JohnAnt
January 16th, 2010 4:36pm Report this comment"The return of the MCB is part of a deal over changes to the law on universal jurisdiction."
Why is the government even thinking of 'a deal' with extremist separatists over a change to UK law?
Because they all vote the same way?
Surely it'd be preferable to reform the ballot process to abolish fraud.
And also to think about the desirability of an ethnic and religious group that insists all its members follow a particular political line.
David Lindsay
January 16th, 2010 5:10pm Report this commentIt was David Cameron whose vehicles toured Ealing Southall blasting out in Asian languages that Hindu, Muslim and Sikh festivals would be made public holidays under the Tories. It was his “Quality of Life Commission” then proposed giving the power to decide these things to “local community leaders”. What else would those figures be given the power to decide in return for filling in every postal voting form in their households in the Bullingdon Boys’ interest, and making sure that all their mates did likewise?
To the statelets thus created – little Caliphates, little Hindutvas, little Khalistans, and so on – people minded to live in such places would flock from the ends of the earth, entrenching the situation for ever. Perhaps when the ultra-Orthodox have been denaturalised by Avigdor Lieberman and his loyalty oath, then Cameron can just give then Stamford Hill, or Salford (bye, bye, Blears), or Gateshead? Then again, perhaps it will be the secular Ashkenazi ultra-nationalists who come to realise that the only way of living the dream among no one but themselves will be if they accept a little bit of Britain, of all places, in which to do so?
In that case, we may as well take the “dissident Republicans” as well, even if we will still need some here else in which to put those currently accrued to Jim Allister. Will it be Lefebvrists or liberal Catholics, neither very big but each now with the characteristics of an ethnic group, who require such provision? Will it be hardline Anglican liberals, or those conservative Evangelicals who oppose women bishops but could never go over to Rome? Again, each could almost pass for an ethnic minority now, and will be a fully fledged one within a single generation. Perhaps it will be all of them. Plus many, many, many more besides.
Oh, well, we may as well make the best of it. Let us identify the “local communities” to which, in the event of a Cameron victory, we will be evacuating the Christians of Orissa, Darfur, Iraq and Palestine. Just for a start.
Verity
January 16th, 2010 6:29pm Report this commentFurther to my last post highlighting that in Britain, little nine year old Pakistani girls are being "married" if that is not too strong a term:
Don't forget that the founder of the religion of peace "married" Aisha when she was SIX. When he expressed an interest in her, her mother pulled her off the swing she was swinging on and hurried her to Big Mo's house. The little girl arrived out of breath.
RL54
January 16th, 2010 6:32pm Report this commentAs usual, a whole section of the population is vilified because of the actions of a few. The MVB appear to be a pretty disgusting load of hypocrits (rather like our own Government. Surely it would be appropriate to know what kind of base this group has and what, if any, right they have to speak opn behalf of the Muslim community.
Old Sailor
January 16th, 2010 6:48pm Report this commentThose who try to use class as a political weapon do so because it is something of which they themselves are totaly devoid
General Zod
January 16th, 2010 7:01pm Report this commentVerity fially admits to being a BNP supporter!
I hate this pandering to Muslim extremists. Apart from encouraging them, it also encourages people like Verity to think that the BNP is an acceptable choice.
We must reject Muslim extremists and racist extremists like the BNP. Both encourage violence (the muslim council would pretend no connection to Muslim terrorists, just as the BNP would disclaim any link to the loon put away this week for building an arsenal to attack Muslims).
It is very much to Labour's discredit that its policies have allowed both racist and Muslim extremists to flourish and to gather new adherents.
General Zod
January 16th, 2010 7:07pm Report this comment"David Lindsay
January 16th, 2010 5:10pm
It was David Cameron whose vehicles toured Ealing Southall blasting out in Asian languages that Hindu, Muslim and Sikh festivals would be made public holidays under the Tories."
Source for this bollocks, please. You've been claiming it for over two years, but it was a rogue candidate, Tony Lit, in Southall who said it, not Cameron. (Cameron naively endorsed an opportunist)
Ste
January 16th, 2010 7:24pm Report this commentNew Labour
New Voters
New Britain
No England
If they get in again....England deserves all it gets, and get it it WILL!.
Verity
January 16th, 2010 7:40pm Report this commentGeneral Zod - I am a UKIP supporter and a strong loather of David Cameron. The British working class, whose ancestors contributed to the building of this country whether as labourers or shop assistants or as foot soldiers or cleaners or train drivers or whatever, has been betrayed by the vile communists/Marxists/Gramscis and I cannot think of any reason at all that they should not vote for the party that has pledged to address their concerns: the BNP. Whatever you may think of the BNP, they are not as toxic and destructive as Commies like Jack Straw and the whole roiling mess of snakes in the cabinet, and people like "Lord" Ahmad (texting and driving on the motorway and involved in an accident in which there was a death; same fellow who promised the joke Home Secretary who lodged in a box room that he would send 10,000 of "the lads" round to the House of Lords unless she banned the lawfully elected and highly respected Dutch MP Geert Wilders from landing in Britain. That "Lord" Ahmad. And Attorney General "Baroness" Scotland, caught employing an illegal alien as a house cleaner and dismissing her crime as "like forgetting to pay the congestion charge".
Voting for the scum that lines the rim of Westminster is unthinkable. The HoC will benefit from some views that diverge so widely from its own comforting little Weltanschuuang.
Bring 'em on!
David Lindsay
January 16th, 2010 8:57pm Report this commentOh, he was a "rogue candidate", was he, General Zod? You'll have to do better than that, dear.
And what about the Quality of Life Commission?
Anne Wotana Kaye 1
January 16th, 2010 10:33pm Report this commentOld Sailor:L Haven't seen you around before. I admire your style and agree with your sentiments.
David Lindsay: I am only saying this once. Are you a sewer or a swine? (The Mitford girls' father divided certain types into these to categories)
General Zod
January 17th, 2010 1:07am Report this commentOh, I am so happy, this evening.
Verity is out as a BNP supproter with her fellow traveller, David Lindsay.
General Zod
January 17th, 2010 1:09am Report this commentDavid Lindsay, what?
St Bruno
January 17th, 2010 1:13am Report this commentold sailor
January 16th, 2010 11:08am
I am also an old sailor and once proud of our country, now I am at a loss as to what life will be like in ten, twenty years time. What sort of a country are we leaving behind for our grand children? I have the same thoughts as you: totally agree with what you say.
The MCB should not be given the oxygen of publicity, I remember that from somewhere, doubtful if it ever worked but at least it was a start. This collection of ragamuffins should be firmly put in their place and made to realise that they are not welcome in Britain. They were possibly once but their actions since have proved otherwise. Most, if not all, countries in Europe are having the same confrontational troubles with them.
Islam is not to be trusted in any western country, their history is one of conquest and subjugation of all non-believers. We can’t trust them! The notion of al- taqiyya tells us so in large print but does the British establishment understand this, I think not!
Still, we will find out one day what hold they have over our Prime Minister and Cabinet, how much as he has mortgaged the country to their Islamic coat-tails. It’s all smoke and mirrors at the moment.
Beer Moth
January 17th, 2010 8:07am Report this commentGeneral Zod
"We must reject Muslim extremists and racist extremists like the BNP."
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any party other than the BNP, which is prepared to deal sufficiently and directly with the catastrophe facing us.
Uniquely, the very recognition of a national identity, is treated by the mainstream British political class, with derision. They seek to destroy that which we know we are; and in its place, they strive to build something which we cannot occupy. Increasingly, we are internal emigrés; without reservation.
Despite the concerted efforts of the media (or perhaps in large part, because of a now all too evident complicity with the above) the BNP is the resort to which many have fled, and more are fleeing. There is only so much we can watch being ruined, before we decide enough is enough, and for me, that point has now been reached.
Jez
January 17th, 2010 9:47am Report this commentVerity,
do not plummet to 'general Zod's' (?) level by feeling you need to explain you political preference.
old sailor
January 17th, 2010 11:53am Report this commentWas Churchill a man of great vision you tell me
Over the last few weeks a huge amount of media attention has been focused on the BNP. We now find that another organisation the UAF (Unite against Fascism) see fit to attempt to deny the BNP freedom of speech. This is an organisation believed to be sponsored by the three main political parties and its actions are the same tactics used by Hitler’s National Socialists prior to WW2.
We are apparently outraged at the BNP associating its politics with our finest ever statesman Sir Winston Churchill however if Sir Winston were to repeat today the statements he once made as shown below he would most certainly be arrested
WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM – IN 1899!
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methodsof commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophetrule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; thenext of its dignity and sanctity.The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased
to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social
development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and
proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity
is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell
the civilization of ancient Rome.”
-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages
248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
Winston on Gandhi "It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor."
- Winston Churchill, 1930
He also said "It is never possible to make concessions to Orientals when they think you are weak or afraid of them."
The BNP will not be defeated by the fascist tactics of the ironically named “Unite Against Fascism” rabble rousers but by reasoned debate on the issues of the day.
Failure to engage in demolishing their policies by unemotional reason always gives them the moral high ground.
Jez
January 17th, 2010 1:24pm Report this comment@ old sailor.
Chuchill was excellent.
Read up how he sorted the Sidney Street Siege in 1909.
Top man..... we need someone like Churchill to save the country right now.
Verity
January 17th, 2010 2:12pm Report this commentSt Bruno says: “Most, if not all, countries in Europe are having the same confrontational troubles with them.” Yes, indeed, and they are all, with the exception of Germany and Denmark, cowards and equivocators. In France, the media uniformly refer to islamic gangsters during their traditional Christmas and New Year car-burning fests as "youths". Only Sarkozy had the nerve to call them "scum". (During the last Christmas season, around 400 cars throughout France were torched by "youths".)
You also say: "Islam is not to be trusted in any western country". It’s not to be trusted in any islamic country, either. Taqqya and kitman flow through their daily life and dealings with people who don’t belong to the cult whether it’s in a British or European market square or the souk. You ask, "Does the British government understand this?" and conclude that it does not. I contend that it understands it very well, and indeed practices it itself.
Old Sailor – Thanks for posting Winnie’s thoughts on the islamics. Plus ça change …
General Zod
January 17th, 2010 2:51pm Report this commentJez, how could she descend to my level when she is a BNP supporter? There is not very much further to descend from there.
Old Sailor
January 17th, 2010 3:25pm Report this commentThe issues I have raised cannot be disregarded or diluted with weasel words,
Some no doubt will claim them all to be falsehoods, which they most certainly are not. Then after admitting that they are true try as do the media to justify them with weasel words and when all else fails cry RACIST
Well that overused cry has now lost a lot of its influence and many see it as little more than a smokescreen. The main political parties all support an organisation called the UAF. Their main objective is to disrupt often with violence any meeting of the far right in order to stifle their politics. Ironically enough UAF stands for UNITE AGAINST FACISM yet their action in trying to stifle free speech is about as fascist as you could possibly get and all the main political parties support them,
worrying don’t you think
Jez
January 17th, 2010 4:29pm Report this commentAs an opinion GZ, you need help.
Anyway, here's the latest;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6991483.ece
Moderate Muslims, Fudamentalist Muslims, Left, Right, Liberal, Illiberal... yep, Britain is looking really stable with this multi-cultural thing 40-years 'in'.
Well-done the mainstream liberal elite.
Thankyou.
Jez
January 17th, 2010 4:53pm Report this commentOld sailor,
The UAF stand against the 'Far-Right'?
They stand against anyone the 'mainstream' dislikes..... they also 'morph' into the anti-Israeli 'Respect' at the drop of a Qassam.
I honestly see dark clouds on the horizon.
My family, my kids i want the best for- if the UK keeps going 'down' at the rate it is, then it's get-out of the country 'sharpish' time i think.
Verity
January 17th, 2010 7:00pm Report this commentJez - Sauve qui peu! If Cameron gets in, you will get a continuation of thought fascism and manipulation of civil rights and citizenship issues. Indeed, apart from a few twiddles of the knobs - fiddling about with the NHS and schools, for example - you will get identical programmes. This is because toeing the EU line is the only way "successful" British politicians can wriggle onto a seat on the gravy train for life.
It would be nice, although I don't hold out a smidgen of hope, if the British took to the streets. And it would be even nicer if our Armed Forces refused to fire. (In which case, Brown or whomever would declare a state of emergency and send over for the German or French army to quell us. I have tragic feeling that Britain is past the tipping point, unless someone emerges pdq to lead our country back to freedom.)
Everyone who ever cast a vote for the foul Tony Blair, the thin edge of the wedge, is to blame.
www.londonpatriot.org
January 17th, 2010 7:21pm Report this commentUnbelievable the Labour is acts as enablers for Muslim terrorists. Hopefully one day some of these traitors will have their necks stretched.
Archie
January 17th, 2010 8:06pm Report this commentTo anyone who thinks this situation is of little concern, I urge you to count the comments here; sixty six and counting. The rest of the articles can only muster a dozen or two. Says it all, really.
DaveP
January 18th, 2010 12:10am Report this commentMuslim peer: rising immigration is 'damaging race relations'
Lord Ahmed, who was Britain's first Muslim member of the House of Lords, accused ministers of aiding the rise of Far Right extremists by neglecting the white working class.
He said that many people believed immigration was damaging their chances of getting a job or accessing public services.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7004493/Muslim-peer-rising-immigration-is-damaging-race-relations.html
Lord Ahmed. Geert Wilders. 10,000 Muslims to march on Westminster. Foxes. Chickens.
John.
January 18th, 2010 2:43am Report this commentIt seems to me that not only the working class but also the middle and upper class native British are desperate to find political representatives who do not belong to the three main enthusiastically muslim-appeasing parties. At the moment the only candidates available are the BNP and UKIP. Can those who are rabidly against these two parties suggest what these millions of desperate people are supposed to do in the absence of all other alternatives? The native British are fully aware of how deeply they have been betrayed by all the three main parties and see the need for radical action being taken now to reverse and annul all that has been done so far to make our greatest enemies feel so at home in our country, encouraged to destroy it and to annex it as part of the universal caliphate. We are not fools.
Old Sailor
January 18th, 2010 10:43am Report this commentLets just stop and think what we are doing for a moment
we will remove the rose tinted specs and think about whom we are allowing into our society.
In the early 1960s I was in Kingston Jamaica, It was two days after Jamaica got its independence. As an Englishman all made me very welcome.
I returned to Jamaica some 18 months later and it was a very dangerous place. The so-called democratic elections of a prime minister called if I remember correctly Mr Manley resulted in no less than 400 murders.
Quite recently in Kenya (thought to be the most stable country in Africa) local elections resulted in gangs hacking each other to pieces with machetes and burning women and children alive as they took shelter in church halls.
I was an Afghan I would have a legal right not only to beat and starve my wife but also to rape her at will
And I could also have my daughters or sisters murdered if they were deemed to dishonour me.
Zimbabwe is beyond description and society there is non-existent
Even in South Africa people were having petrol soaked tyre’s put round their necks and set alight.
I first went to the beautiful island of Fiji in the 1960 and there were a few emigrants their from the Indian subcontinent. By the late 1990s they had taken over causing a civil uprising.
I could go on and on but the do-gooders have this fantasy that the people they let in here are all very nice and civilised. Has it ever occurred to them that some may be trying to escape retribution for their despicable deeds they committed in their own land and far from being innocent victims they just happened to be on the losing side.
One of our most famous international war correspondents John Simpson met an extremely dangerous man in Afghanistan who had committed terrible crime, he was known as the “Human Dog” by way of his vicious acts. This “human Dog” has been identified and filmed living in London on benefits. Try reading his books they contain photos of him taken in London
However we seem willing to accept immigrants from these countries with no way of knowing if they were the persecuted or the persecutors. The do-gooder liberal mindset is that all religions and races can live together in harmony. If such a scenario were true wars would not exist. We have witnessed over the last decade or two civil uprisings in not just the Middle East but in Tibet, China and Ceylon as well as Eastern Europe and the crumbling USSR. Most of these conflicts are orchestrated on religious or tribal grounds. And we have seen reports daily of piracy in Somali and child sacrifice elsewhere in Uganda
Murgatroyd
January 18th, 2010 11:22am Report this commentSigned, sealed and delivered: Labour Party's electoral suicide pact with extremists. Gutless panic.
A risible act of risicide.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
DaveP
January 18th, 2010 11:23am Report this commentOld Sailor
I thought that the "Human Dog" was going to be deported after he had served his jail sentence. Though, given the love Labour has all for all things Islamic, it wouldnt surpries me that he is living happily on UK Benefits, here or in Afghanistan.
The real threat is the demographic one. The present drift towards a situation - Muslims becoming ever more numerous, and more demanding as a consequence, will eventually lead
1. Muslims are a majority in parliament, and then it will be Sharia.
2. A civil war, with countless dead and untold suffering. Humanity and compassion require that separation from Islam/Muslims be undertaken as a matter of urgency, or else we are looking to the demise of the West, or a civil war that makes Bosnia look like a garden party.
Heaven help us.
old sailor
January 18th, 2010 8:30pm Report this commentHELLMAND 2010
The air is thick with dust and flame, who started this? Who is to blame?
Shells and rockets rake the field yet neither side is like to yield
There’s no retreat, no going back, just blindly forward in attack
Men are wounded. Men lose limbs. And those who die we praise with hymns
Or stand to hear the lesson read, yet nothings changed, THESE MEN ARE DEAD
We strive to bring their bodies back in boxes draped in union jack
They’ve paid the price and given all but their pay is stopped from when they fall
These fathers’ lovers’ brothers sons have fallen to each other’s guns
Do politicians really care, they might if they were fighting there
They praise all those who serve our nation yet try to cut their compensation
It’s never those whom nations lead get stuck in hell to die or bleed
They just cajole our sons and brothers to go to war and murder others
Both sides’ young men fall for the trick. Greed, religion, politic
That foreign Johnny turban clad is really just an Afghan lad
Who with religious hatred filled joined the fray was quickly killed
Likewise the lad in kaki gear is just a lad from over here.
Courageous, patriotic, smart he volunteers to play his part
He leaves behind his child and wife and goes abroad to lose his life
The Commons reads his name aloud saying that we should be proud
Should we be proud when we’re to blame
NO WE SHOULD HANG OUR HEADS IN SHAME
hadrian
January 20th, 2010 12:07am Report this commentWhilst I revile Islam and its innately self-righteous, fanatically violent tendancies, I cannot say I am, ipso facto, in the least drawn to crypto fascists and their innately fanatical faith in raw political power. Neither group could ever have made Britain great. However I fully agree our nation is in desperate civic danger from small but very friven groups. Those who like to argue the percentages forget that minority groups that seek the levers of power can quite easily grab them from under a lethargic and of guard majority. Enoch Powell did warn us all of the consequences of our rose tinted ideas of multi-culturalism and has been despised ever since. However it's all coming home to roost and very much swifter than he might have imagined.
Unless this nation has a SPIRITUAL renewal no matter who's in power it'll ultimately dinsintegrate. We are ripe for judgement and that has often come in the form of invasion and alien cultures getting the ascendancy.
revolution
January 20th, 2010 11:14pm Report this commentWill the nu lab stooges allow Muslim women in their burqa's to bypass body scanners at British airports in the hope it will gain some votes?
Steve R
January 21st, 2010 4:45pm Report this commentI'm 56 unemployed for 2 years. White male hetrosexual, cannot get my C.V's past the Diversity officers. So come election time I will practice my own version of diversity. I will vote for a candidate that is not fairly represented in parliament. Guess who ? I'm ex Labour in a marginal.
farah
February 8th, 2010 5:47pm Report this commentits funy how we all listen to one sides menipilation of the story while the other is ignored and condemed, double standard and hypocracy is the word..in the west.... you can write all your incitement to hatred..we wont fall for that.
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