Many BNP voters’ concerns are legitimate and should be recognised as such

Monkey Chops

The BNP is a left wing party. Nazi = National Socialist.

pete-s

This lot should learn english and understand the VAST difference between Racism and Xenophobia.

Simone

I don't know why the Conservatives bother themselves with the BNP; the BNP is opposition for Labour, and anything that divides Labour's vote has got to be a good thing.

I don't think the other parties should lift a finger to help Labour fight off the BNP.
The Conservatives especially should distance themselves from the violent means of the UAF.

Most people in this country are not extreme.
I don't believe we have a million fascists.
It's a protest vote. That's all.

Paul

I really really hope the BNP get in we need them in now.This country has had it.

Beer Moth

This is by far, the most pressing and important matter on the UK political scene, and how surprising it is to see coverage of it here on these pages.

A much needed mention of the blinkered, outmoded and frankly dangerous attitude of the Hains and Hundals who retain their stranglehold on the issue and restrict dialogue by use of such jaded slurs.

One point I would question here though is the assertion that the recent - and current - policy of unbridled immigration has come about innocently? No.

This required no intricacy, just dedicated malevolence; it was decided round a table and could be put right, around that same; but is left wilfully in place as we write.

In any case, if such immigration was deemed necessary "because many of Britain’s working classes were unemployable in a changed, globalised economy.", then surely the more responsible way to solve this problem would be to make them employable? How is that an insurmountable task? They are not a different species, they are ours and deserve better.

I have in the past voted Labour and I have voted Tory, on all occasions, I have voted for those who I saw to have the national interest most at heart. Patently, neither of these think any longer in such terms and so my vote will be going elswhere. If that is racist then I will have to live with my new label.

Fox in a box

Indeed, racist, xenophobic, socialist and supported by former Labour voters.

Nothing right wing about them apart from the shrill accusations of the failed left.
Sunny among them.

JohnPage

I know someone who thinks the case for AGW is dodgy and that the UK shouldn't be spending lots of money on cutting emissions of carbon dioxide. Nor do they want to be in the EU. Who should they vote for?

strapworld

You ask, Are the million who voted BNP also uniformly racist?

Well if wanting to retain Britishness is racist I am racist!

I am sick and tired of these people calling everyone who raises an objection to mass immigration, racist!

Especially when the same people had absolutely no regard to:-

1 The lack of social planning before allowing people into the country,

2. The effect such large immigration would have on our hospitals, schools and housing etc.

3.The abandonment of the 'When in Rome' philosophy and allowing our country to be changed, without the agreement of the people. Then labelling anyone who may object as a racist!

4. Making laws which made the indigenous people the problem. Then, as you have done Mr Blackburn, throw that back at people who have tried to object in the past and been convicted. Their calls for something to be done ignored.

This slow acceptance by Labour that they have created something they will live to regret i too little too late. I think the attitude of the Liberal Democrats and the Tories appears to be a vain by ignoring it the problem will go away.

The cowardice of journalists to report the truth, and that extends to Fraser Nelson who promised to write an article following Neather's revelations!

It takes good people like Frank Field to say just what the BNP have been saying for years. To repeat,in less colourful language than dear old Enoch Powell, the message he was stressing. (Yet even now people say Powell, whom I knew, nothing could be further from the truth).

I have known many people from all walks of life who have expressed a willingness to support the BNP. Obviously they are white. But I do have black friends and they have recently told me they would support them as they are concerned that with the sudden influx of over three million immigrants, mainly from asia, the threat of violence is greater now than ever and they fear the future.

Obviously it would be wonderful if people could get on together but that could only ever with very careful planning prior to allowing immigrants into the country.

That Labour closed their eyes to the problem they were creating is something they should never be allowed to forget. They have abrogated their right to be respected as a party of government.

David Ossitt

“Many BNP voters’ concerns are legitimate and should be recognised as such”

What many call racism or pretend to perceive as racism, is nothing but the natural human instinct of self preservation.

It is a natural human trait to protect ones home; lifestyle and beliefs and by extension ones town, county and country.

If our personal assets; home, chattels, savings were being used or taken over by or spent by strangers, we would all, be, quite rightly outraged and incensed.

And by extension when we see foreigners, be they black/white or any shade betwixt, arrive in our country, and by using the many and myriad reasons and excuses to legitimise the reasons for them being here, take preference in their claims for a right to, the legal, health, housing and all of the financial benefits that the British state has to offer, are we not right to be outraged and very angry at this very real injustice.

Ken

"The explosion of migrant workers under this government, not imported as part of some sinister plot (this government is too incompetent to have implemented something so intricate)...."

You would appear not to have read the infamous Neather documents now exposed in, I believe, their 4th iteration and extensively dissected by your colleague Melanie P in the Daily Mail.

The government document set out shows an immigration policy that was a clear and deliberate piece of social engineering.

Frank Field MP made some excellent points in his Today interview this morning, among these the abject failure to educate the population for work and the perverse incentives against work offered by an overgenerous benefit culture.

The BNP is a legitimate political party as you rightly state and though I have no truck with them, it is in my view, wrong and invidious of the media continually to preface all references to the party with pejorative and damaging epithets.

Readers and voters are free to make up their own minds about the party.

The way to stop BNP advances is to address the very real issues the party raises.

Verity

Pete-s - Strange assumption. Some of us want to preserve our culture, our folkways, the fabric of our civil society and, like most of humanity, live among our own kind. Many of us posting here currently live abroad (not in the EU) or have lived and worked abroad (not in the EU.) There is indeed a vast difference between racism and xenophobia, but in the majority of cases, neither word applies.

Beer Moth - "dedicated malevolence". Ace. It conjured up an immediate picture of Jack Straw.

radgie gadgie

Are the BNP a racist party? - of course they are. But, and its a big but, what choice exactly do Labour, Tory or Liberal offer? What real choice? Fast forward one year (or 5) from now and will it matter which of those three got in? We need a mass vote for the BNP or whatever the current left wing alternative is and/or a mass spoiling of voting papers. We really have reached a point in our history where the accumulated failures of governing consensus needs to be thrown back in its face. Voting for any of them represents an acceptance of the lazy, feeble, evasive and cowardly prospectuses that they will be putting in front of us soon.

Theres a big old world out there and a cornucopia of possibilities which the Westminster club will do its damndest to make sure isnt on offer.

WrinkleybutNice

This Labour government enabled the immigration of approx 3 million foreigners into Britain secretly (see Neathergate), not to provide cheap labour (although it did and still does), but to alter for ever the ethnic make-up of the country and - by the way - enlarge the Labour voting pool. Without any parliamentary debate whatsoever, and going against the known opinion of the vast majority of voters.

The working classes of Britain may well have an unemployable underclass - Gordo's growing client state. But most of the unemployed are skilled, pro-work tradespeople being undercut or politically side-lined.

My highly qualified and very experienced electrician son - and many of his similarly skilled mates - found that getting work on the Olympic site nigh-on impossible. What % of that work-force is immigrant labour ? They tell us that most are "local residents" - since when ? Last week ?

Andy Leeds

The BNP is where the Labour protest vote goes, but what do they expect ? It is because Labour and the Lib/Dems refuse to address any of the issues around immigration and asylum that the BNP grows. Hardly surprising really. The rise of UKIP is exactly the same: those who vote for it have no other way of expressing their view. All the main stream parties sing from the same hymn sheet and do so because the pressure groups and media have made any other view almost unacceptable.

EyeSee

See, yer average voter doesn't really take in the detail, he votes with what appears to support his personal cirumstance at the time. Otherwise explain New Labour being in power...

What people are doing is seeing unimpeded immigration, including illegals being allowed to stay with huge numbers somehow then getting benefits. As far as they are concerned the BNP would stop that, so vote for them then. The rest of the 'sophistication' and 'nuances' of voting trends is navel-gazing in the Westminster bubble. The new BNP voter will tend to believe that they wont be as bad as their opponents say they are, just like Tony Blair couldn't possibly be the unprincipled liar that the Tories say he is. But he was of course. And the BNP is an organisation based on racial discrimination. By thinking they can't get power though, you seriously underestimate the ignorance of the voters and the lack of desire to challenge or understand parties before putting an X in the box. As I say, New Labour is proof enough of that.

strapworld

Just a thought. IF the BNP are racist. Surely, after the Neather allegations proven correct by Immigrationwatch, The Labour Party ARE the RACIST party? and we should start calling Hain and his colleagues racist every day until the general election. Goodness me they would hate that if at every meeting, every doorstep people called the local labour candidate racist! It might get home to them just what they have done.

Car stickers LABOUR are THE Racist Party!

TomTom

The BNP is where the Labour protest vote goes

Really ? I had always thought the BNP was an MI5 creation to prevent a serious party of the Right emerging. It has been signally unsuccessful in establishing a power base, far less successful than the Extremist Left which has infiltrated media and political parties to the point that Marxism in Britain is mainstream across all political parties.

Perhaps one day all English cities will be like Bradford, economically destitute but growing like topsy as wave after wave of incomers give it the fastest growing youth population outside London and the 4th busiest A&E unit in the country.

The simple fact is the Ancien Regime Parties have lost the public and no party has yet harnessed them, let alone enthused them. This is a Post-Soviet landscape with lots of Anger but no organised channels to harness its power. To speak of BNP is to create a bogey and ascribe all sorts of obsessional neuroses to its voters. Crime and Law & Order is as much a theme with its voters as any, but Crime and Law and Order are just dog-whistle words from the Media-driven Parties who simply ignore the issue once the votes are counted

erica

"14 percent of the British voting public reject the contention that there is no difference between the intelligence of the average black Briton and that of the average white".
Thats a frightening level of ignorance of modern science. The leftist brainwashing goes on as does the attempt to build societies not based on what is biologically possible.
I would sooner vote BNP than labour and no of course they aren't a left wing party, what silly suggestion, neither were the Nazis whose main opponents were the SD and Commies. As it is I await Lord Pearson and his transformation of UKIP into our version of the Dutch Freedom Party.

HJ

I originally come from Oldham. Like so many Lancashire towns, there has been huge amounts of immigration over the last 40 years, mainly from Pakistan. Going to these towns you do not find white people and Asian people happily rubbing shoulders and celebrating their cultural diversity as politicians would have you believe. Doubtless, there are rare cases in Oldham where different communities do come together and get along ammicably, but this is the exception not the rule.
There is a street in Oldham with two schools at either end. One has 99% white pupils, the other has 99% Asian pupils. This is a typical example of two different cultures being brought up seperately, but in close proximity and is an indicator of the level of segregation in so many industrial northern towns.
When I go home to Oldham, the level of segregation doesn't just concern me, it frightens me. You shouldn't have to be a historian to realise this level of segregation is a ticking time bomb. At best we could see a situation in the future comparable to the Brixton riots of the early 1980's, at worst, a bitter confrontation that lasts multiple generations, comparable to the troubles in Northern Ireland.
Perhaps taking this into account, people may understand why I get so infuriated by the chattering classes pontificating from their comfortable North London homes on how racist those who don't appreciate mass immigration are. People like Diane Abbott or Sunny Hundal, whose only experience of this country lies within the M25. I wish they'd spend some time in Oldham. Maybe they'd realise why I have such grave concerns.

Simone

strapworld:
"Car stickers LABOUR are THE Racist Party!"

Yes. The white population of this country will be a minority by the turn of the century. That was arranged by Labour.

Try objecting to that though and you are made to feel evil.
So why does white suddenly equal undesirable? Why are we being deliberately replaced? It is insulting and hateful.

We were all ticking along nicely with a little "diversity". Most people can cope with a few [patriotic and loyal] "outsiders". But a massive change of
population and culture? No! That is where I draw the line.
I don't mind admitting that I'm afraid that we will be a minority. It's not a safe thing to be.

How to reverse this though if you don't hate anyone, but you just want your country
to stay majority white, majority Christian?

Encourage those with a British heritage to return perhaps?

Fergus P:ickering

It depoends what you mean by racist, doesn't it? If to think that there are too many immigrants entering the country is racist, well then, quite a lot of Brits are racist. Who cares? It's only a word, and a lefty word at that. There are votes for Cameron in this if he plays his cards right, indeed if he plays his cards at all. Racist cards? If you like, if you like. One of the reasons our state schools are so dire, is that they are full of immigrants who can't speak English. Who denies this? I visited one in London where 40% were foreignerswho had trouble with English. Some couldn't speak a word. Needless to say, the school was chaotic. Would YOU like to teach at that school? Or have your children attend it and fail?

ndm

-- 14 percent of the British voting public reject the contention that there is no difference between the intelligence of the average black Briton and that of the average white; 69 percent of BNP voters agree with the contention.

When written another way this indicates that BNP voters are twice as likely to believe that black and white Britons have different intelligence.

The BNP does not do itself any favours on its website where imigration is the first policy mentioned. And there we find the following:

-- All these facts point inexorably to the overwhelming and extinguishing of Britain and British identity under a tsunami of immigration. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

I'm surprised they can use the word tsunami since it is an immigrant from East Asia.

The correct way to address the BNP is not by adopting its policies to appease its supporters but to show how far from mainstream thought its supporters are. The Spectator has a pretty bad record at this with Melanie Phillips mouthing contempt for the BNP - because of its attitude towards her minority community - even as she advocates policies it shares.

The descent of a nation into racist folly needs the support of the intelligentsia who dominate the media. Were Daily Mail readers to read every day about how bad it was to be a racist I doubt that one in three BNP voters would believe that (presumably) black Britons are less intelligent than white Britons.

logdon

Lets get to the point here.

No one was overly concerned with immigration before...

a/ Labours policies of swamping us for political reasons took hold and became glaringly apparent in major cities and towns. (Also a dirty Tory secret, hence the silence on Neather.)

And...

b/ Nine eleven after which this calling card from Osama bin Laden became a rallying call for all Muslims to rise against the West. The London bombing compounded this edict.

Both scenario's impacted negatively yet any desire to retain our nationality was scorned as being racist.

Common sense left the political room to be replaced by a drive for diversity and inclusivity. Meanwhile the white working class was abandoned to fester in sink estates which, if anyone has bothered to take a look around, are redolent of East Germany without the teutonic efficiency.

Two books, The Likes of Us and The New East End detail this upheaval with an open gaze and an unbiased view. The Speccy staff stalwarts would do themselves a big favour if they read them for the mine of impartial information contained in the pages.

This is nothing short of a national disgrace which is far from party political. The Tories espouse the same disembowelment of Britain so who to turn to?

Watching those Teesside steelworkers now facing a choice of a lifetime of unemployment or abandoning their settled roots brought it home.

Many of them now talk of the BNP and who can blame them when Labour has sold them down the river for a handful of carbon credits?

If and when Griffin develops a hinterland of broad governing policy rather than just defence of Britain he'll romp it.

Don't write them off as rag tag. They've just faced down a concerted effort by the CRE and its shadowy backers in court.

Having basically lost, the CRE has now changed the goalposts and Griffin is still at the helm determined to beat these race baiters at their own game.

Dare I say it? Is Griffin the most committed and serious politician in Britain right now?

He's straightforward, honest about his goals, spin free and certainly not the pissing around dilettante or lying mentalist currently vying for the position of who can sob the most on a GMTV sofa.

logdon

Posted this on the going Dutch thread but in my view Wilders has a similar racial philosophy to Griffin so, apologies, here it is again.

It may be hackneyed but still manifestly true, for evil to succeed, all that is needed is for good men to do nothing.

Wilders is that good man and quite plainly, in view of all the adversity, a giant amongst them.

He is doing something.

The paradox is that, according to yesterdays story in the Mail, by even thinking such thoughts I am branded by HMG as a racist.

You know what? I do not care in the slightest what they think. They rescinded all respect a long time ago and I suspect that the bulk of British people share those thoughts.

The bullying thing which is being aired now is a tip of a policy where we've been pummelled and pounded by edict and law designed to remove all pride in our nation and nationality.

We've been hammered into acceptance and the embrace of a primitive, unchangeable, fifteen hundred year old dominance seeking culture from five thousand miles away with zero demurral on pain of vilification or even imprisonment.

This madness is slowly hitting the skids as more and more awake to what's gone and is going on.

Authority, alarmed and vexed that Plan A is not going the Eurabian way they hubristically envisaged, fights back by repression and the tactics of fascism.

This is now a kind of phoney war going on all over Europe. No nation escapes and the Islam in Europe blog details the mini battles beleaguered inhabitants endure on a daily basis.

When collected into one blog the chart assumes it’s real meaning of dot joining and a picture forms of the Third Jihad where infiltration based on racial rights, demographics and democracy is the over arching feature. We, in effect are eating ourselves via our own democratic norms.

However when that hallowed freedom of speech is then denied to a man who plow's his own furrow, the edifice crumbles.

That is what is going on now, not only in the Netherlands but across the whole world.

bert

It may surprise some people that the BNP have members of polish,Italian, hungarian decent, gay, disabled, jewish, and many members have foreign wives/husbands etc.
The BNP have Jewish councillors, a Jewish treasurer.

Adam Walker BNP teacher has a Japanese wife, Richard Barnbrook (BNP GLA member) his partner Simone Clarke (BNP member)are bringing up Simones mixed race young child.

Democracy=the will of the people, the opposite is dictatorship, banning legal partys.

Soon the Media will HAVE to report the BNP in a fair and honest manner, because the people are waking up!

JUST REMEMBER.
It was not the BNP that started the illegal wars that are getting our soldiers slaughtered. I WOULD CALL THAT EXTREME!

It was not the BNP that stole the pension funds of millions of our elderly.
I WOULD CALL THAT EXTREME!

It was not the BNP that sold of our Utility Companies to overseas buyers who now exploit us. I WOULD CALL THAT EXTREME

It was not the BNP that betrayed the True British People by swamping Our Country with mass unfettered immigration. I WOULD CALL THAT EXTREME

It was not the BNP that sold our gold for peanuts to Europe.
I WOULD CALL THAT CRIMINAL !
It was not the BNP that gave away our fishing fleets, industry, farming.
I WOULD CALL THAT TREASON !
It was not the BNP that allowed the banker to rip us off for billions.
I WOULD CALL THAT THEFT!

It was not the BNP that destroyed our education, NHS, Law AND Order etc
I WOULD CALL THAT CRIMINAL!
It was not the BNP that destroyed our manufacturing base.
I WOULD CALL THAT TREASON!

It was not, not, not the BNP that created the mess we are now in !

Alexandrovich

I'd just like to say, before The 17th and 21st Progressive Ponces arrive, that if they wish to call me (their definition of) a racist, that's okay.
You see, I couldn't give a shit.

Dave

Read the novel 'Mister' by Alex Kurtagic for a vision of an ethnically-diverse, dystopian near-future. The nightmare scenario he paints is one feared by an increasing number of indigenous Britons and trying to frighten them into politically-correct submission by labelling them as racists is not working any more.

Lucy Jones

ndm: "The correct way to address the BNP is not by adopting its policies to appease its supporters but to show how far from mainstream thought its supporters are."

Q1. Why is being "far from mainstream thought" undesirable per se?

Q2. What do you mean by "mainstream thought"? (I suspect you confuse the views of so-called "liberals" with "mainstream thought".)

Chuck Unsworth

@ HJ

Too damn right! And what is worse is that all of this was entirely predictable, indeed predicted. Let's not forget that racism is a two way street.

Simone

logdon:
"Wilders is that good man and quite plainly, in view of all the adversity, a giant amongst them."

I see Wilders as a good and courageous person too. I wish we had someone that charismatic here. He is likely to be Prime
Minister of the Netherlands soon.

Actually, what happens in the rest of Europe may well affect the UK. It could have a domino effect.
If the Dutch manage to severely limit immigration, reverse the tide and rediscover pride in their own culture and heritage, then it might happen here too. I would certainly be envious if
the Netherlands threw off multiculturalism.

Minnie Ovens

I think many people now have no party since the Conservatives became a Notting Hill Hilton.
Therefore to vote BNP is a protest. The BNP are not going to get elected so it is not a question of believing in anything they say but it is important to show Mr Cameron where we real Conservatives are, just in case he remember we are just that....true Conservatives

Beer Moth

ndm.

"I'm surprised they can use the word tsunami since it is an immigrant from East Asia."

How very droll.

Does this mean that if I wear pyjamas or live in a bungalow or eat keema bhuna, then the natural extension of this, is that I am duty bound to see my homeland given over to aliens?

White people believe they are more intelligent than black people? Try and keep up would you?

Vulture

Conservative Home had a poll today of the 16 or so issues most concerning voters. Guess which came top after the Economy?

That's right. The 'I' word - the one that Dave has forbidden his candidates from even mentioning.

David says that the BNP's views are 'distasteful'. They may be rough-hewn, crude, even a bit thick. But are they any more 'distasteful' than the conspiracy of silence from the ConLibLab mainstream that has permitted nothing less than the silent ethnic cleansing of these islands?

I am not surprised that the BNP are likely to gain their first MPs to join their MEPs at the next election: the Westminster hen coop needs a few foxes let loose to bite their balls off. They have only themselves to blame.

Its OK to be a Nationalist if you are black or Brown. OK if you are Irish, Scots or Welsh. But very naughty if you are English.

The Westminster village should not be surprised that the spectre they have tried to stifle turns out to be quite ugly.

fredvallier

"The BNP is a left wing party. Nazi = National Socialist."

Rubbish. The "National" bit was right -- the "socialist" bit was just a lure to get working class voters. The Nazis were, in as much as such terms are relevant, of the right.

Herbert Thornton

The heading to this blog says -

"Many BNP voters’ concerns are legitimate and should be recognised as such"

Of course they should, but no matter how legitimate they are, the idea that they may, somehow be "recognised" by parties other than the BNP is pie in the sky.

If you want them to be both recognised and actually addressed the only way to make it happen is to vote for the BNP.

Yow Min Lye

David, why do perpetuate the myth that New Labour allowed so many migrants in out of incompetence rather than malign intent?

Surely Andrew Neather and all those subsequent MigrationWatch FOI requests have proved beyond doubt that MASS IMMIGRATION INTO BRITAIN WAS A DELIBERATE ACT ON THE PART OF LABOUR MINISTERS.

Boudicca

I hope the BNP do well in Labour's heartlands. Let's face it, most of their members are ex-Labour voters.

Someone/something has got to punish Labour for what it has done to this country - and if that means the BNP then good on them.

Dorothy Wilson

HJ: If Oldham is too far for the poor dears to travel, they could try Leicester.

And Frank Field was brilliant on the Today programme this morning.

Barbara

This article has some credence for it addresses things that most ordinary people have been feared about, immigration, which has changed this country, and we don't like it, will never accept it, and will fight to retain what we believe in. We were forced to have the EU, without consent, but to think we will allow ourselves to be over run to the extent we are pushed into the sidelines politically is madness, it won't happen, and Mr Field could well be right, it might be well if the BNP so win several seats in the next election so those who vote for them have a voice at last, for if they don't violence for some may be the next step. Remember, we have five years of parliament, far to long to be without a voice. They offer a different voting system, but again we are refused several models and only one they offer, why? We should choose, look at all options like proportional representation for one. Again we have this government hell bent on 'telling us what we will have' not the choice we should have under a democratic country, and again to suit the main parties and to keep smaller ones out. The people of this country will be heard make no mistake, they will have their way, how will be the question? This coming election is a crucial one for democracy and freedom in this country, and for me my slogan is DUMP THE LOT AND VOTE FOR THE NEW.

Silly Kuffar

The BNP exists and are growing rapidly due to ZaNu Labour in response to unfettered Immigration.
I see some of you Marxists still call the BNP Racist.
The BNP have ammended their constitution on accepting Non-Indigenous members. The EHRC have FAILED to RESPOND in the Time Limit set by the Courts. This si all part of zaNu Labours plan to silence the only political party that scares them. This is due to the fact that ALL THE DODGY DEALINGS that have been carried out by the Lib/Lab/Con will be exposed.

If you want to Rub The Lefts Nose In It...you vote BNP.

Edward Sutherland

After the Neather revelations and Migration Watch's sterling efforts to uncover the Government's real agenda, the vast majority of people in this country, other of course than the Left and the Westminster village, believe mass immigration over the past 13 years has been used as a tool to change this country for ever. We all know what the voters' major concern is after the economy. If believing this makes me a racist, then so be it.

daleman

I thought this was interesting – I wonder what Lee Grasper and the taxpayer funded racism industry would say!

This was written by a black journalist who writes under the name ‘Loose Canon’ for the “Sunday Standard’, a newspaper in Botswana.

Haiti and the blacks!

24.01.2010 4:23:39

“I hope black people will learn a lesson from the earthquake that hit Haiti. If they don’t learn anything from it, then I throw up my hands in despair and give up.

Let’s start with a few basic facts. Until the earthquake, I never knew there was a place called Haiti. I was taught geography at school but I
cannot remember a time when the mistress told us about Haiti. It must have been one of those insignificant countries that we had no reason to know about.

I was fairly good at geography because I knew which country was on which continent. I also knew many capital cities. But as for Haiti I was clueless. Now the whole world, including myself, knows about Haiti. I
heard news of the earthquake on the radio. I wondered where Haiti was and what sort of people lived there.
Finally, when I switched on the television, I was informed that Haiti is an island out in the Caribbean. Television pictures revealed a place populated by black people.
From the non-stop television coverage of the earthquake, I got to learn about the history of Haiti. It was not a good history lesson. It would seem throughout its existence Haiti has suffered a series of natural calamities. In the process it has sunk even deeper into poverty and deprivation.
Like all places populated by black people, Haiti is poor. As I watched the television images, I felt very sorry for that forsaken place.

Then I was hit by a thunderbolt.
I wondered what if there were no white people. You see, when the earthquake hit Haiti somebody had to come to its assistance. There had to be a rescue
effort. The Haitians who survived of course did their fair bit by digging out their families from the collapsed ramshackle buildings. But such was the scale of the devastation and the loss of human life that a
bigger effort was needed. For that sort of work, you need heavy lifting gear and other sophisticated rescue equipment. I have been following the story of the earthquake keenly. I can attest to the fact that the first people to arrive with sniffer dogs were white crews from all over the world. The aeroplanes that set off carrying water and food were from white countries. Not only that, the teams of volunteer doctors that I saw on television comprised white people from across the world. As the sniffer dogs went into action, the organized rescue teams that carried the stretchers were made up of white people. It was announced that a mobile hospital was on the way. It was coming from
a white country. For all intents and purposes in the aftermath of the earthquake, Haiti was literally swarming with white people. They had all arrived to save the poor blacks. And the locals were so happy to see them. Granted there were teams from the Orient such as the Chinese and Japanese. They too had quickly left their homes and families to go and assist the
stricken people of Haiti. It is obvious to everyone that this was a devastating earthquake and the
work to repair Haiti and return it to a modicum of normalcy will take many years. Somebody had to commit funds to this effort. Most of the countries that have committed funds to aid the recovery are white. In fact, it would seem the whites are running the show in Haiti.

What is my point?

My point is that ever since Haiti was hit by the earthquake I have not seen any of my folks from Africa.
Unless the television cameras deliberately ignored them, I never saw a rescue team from my motherland. Nor did I see any sniffer dogs from down here.
Heck, I never saw a single traditional doctor busy divining where to find people buried under the rubble.
Haiti is a land of black people. I would have expected the place to be swarming with black people helping their own. They were nowhere to be seen. I never saw any ships from black countries pulling into the harbour. As the air traffic circled above the small airport, none of the planes was reported as coming from Africa. The blacks were nowhere to be found. They
issued tepid statements of condolence to the people of Haiti and a few of the African countries donated small amounts of cash. Granted that was better than nothing. But I must say I was disappointed. I was sad because the blacks did not behave as I had expected.
You see, for far too long black countries have been insolent to the point of being abusive. They have a tendency of insulting the white man and telling him to keep out of their countries. In Fact, black people have the temerity to tell white people they can perfectly survive on their own. So I had expected the black countries to be consistent and behave true to
form. Why didn’t black countries tell white countries to stay away from Haiti because we were quite capable of leading the rescue effort? We should have insulted them as we often do at international forums. There, our countries insult white countries and accuse them of imperialism and neo colonialism. I was extremely disappointed when our countries failed to accuse white people of practicing imperialism and neo colonialism by
coming to rescue the blacks of Haiti. We should have told them we have better sniffer dogs that have been taught only to rescue black people. We should have told their ships to stay away and their planes not to overfly Haiti because we were up to the job with our own ships and aeroplanes. We should have brought in our traditional food instead of the strange rations the Haitians are not accustomed to.

I am so disappointed by the black leaders that I hope never to hear them again bleating about how bad white people are. The earthquake in Haiti was the most opportune time to show the whites, once and for all, that we don’t need them. From now onwards, I want black leaders to shut up and never accuse ever again, white people of being bad. I am sick and tired of big words such as imperialism and neo colonialism which are unable to rescue victims of the earthquake.
I hope this is not the last earthquake that hits a black country. I want the next one to specifically hit the residence of The Evil Self-centred Old Man in Harare, Zimbabwe who does nothing for his people. Then we will see if he will abuse the white crew coming to rescue him and his wife Ghastly Grace!”

Alexandrovich

For those of you not in the London area, the BBC's local news carried this story:

Somali man gets to Denmark and from there to England. For reasons not given, he is refused benefits so returns to Denmark leaving behind wife and four kids. Local council refuse to assist them. Somali woman's case is taken up by Europe who have just ruled that she must be given housing and benefits as her children are now in an English school.
Good 'ere innit?

J H Holloway

I have a line on the 'progressive' ultras v the BNP.

David Blunkett once said he couldn't imagine putting a limit on the level of immigration into the UK.

Nick Griffin thinks there shouldn't be any immigration into the UK.

So which is the more extreme position?

Simon Denis

But what is a "racist"? Hundal defines it as finding foreigners "scary" and the left as a whole sneers at "xenophobia" - a form of irrational hatred. Interesting, the way that pinks and reds recourse to pseudo-psychiatric jargon. Still, they have progressed: the USSR put dissidents in loony bins; the modern left just diagnoses them. But do we accept these loaded, dishonest definitions? The hatred is not for foreigners per se, nor for stable, integrated minorities; it is for the demographic transformation of one's homeland. An indigenous people, even - horror of horrors - a European people, has the right to remain culturally predominant and numerically preponderant in its ancient homeland. Those are the conditions of its remaining a "homeland" and not just another version of the left's favourite country, Airstrip One. Moreover, experience, that strict, relentless and unflattering schoolmaster, is teaching us that the cohesion of society depends on the maintenance of such conditions. We are not so much "sleepwalking" into segregation as blundering into it, led a bone headed, moralising, utopian establishment, long since colonised itself by the doctrines of sixty-eight. Goodness knows what can be done, but we might at least reject Hundal's self-serving definitions. We might assert our right as "White British" to a respected ethno-cultural identity, properly known as English - a term which is given short shrift by our Marxist masters - and by turning the tables on the multiculturalists by asking them what right they have to launch the covert resettlement of this country.

Victor Southern

I am probably sickening for something since I agree about 95% with what Strapworld wrote above.

Since my retirement I have found fascination in social history. England has seen many successive waves of immigration and each has trod on the toes not only of the indigenous inhabitants but also of the preceding influx of different origin.

It is perfectly true that many of West Indian descent feel that they were to some extent displace by the East African Indians and both feel social and employment pressures from the vast influx of all sorts of immigrants since about 1980 or so but most particularly in the past 8 or 1 years.

A multicultural society implies that there will be some common values and ready integration into the mainstream. This has not happened in the UK which resembles a noxious drink called Traffic Lights. That consists of a tot each of Creme de Menthe, Drambuie and Cherry Brandy. Shake well and lest the glass rest - the liquors will all separate out into three distinct layers.

Beyond those ethnic divisions there is still an imperative to curb immigration very severely. We do have the resources to look after so many new people - water, power, public transport, housing, schools, hospitals, police, social services, the courts and the Budget are all under terrible strain. We cannot afford many immigrants at all, nor Polish, not Canadians, not South Africans, Nigerians, Iraqis or any other peoples.

So, if I may sum up, the BNP is not the cause of racial tensions, it is a symptom.

TGF UKIP

Brave stuff for a villager, David Blackburn. Of course, you realize, don't you, that neither your editor not any of your colleagues will be speaking to you now. You really have said the unsayable and besmirched the reputation of the Spectator.

I'll be most surprised if we hear anything more from you or of you.

Edith Crowther

I would say that the distinguishing thing about the BNP and those who are in it or just vote for it, is that all of them yearn for a simpler life where we aren't all so hooked on galloping consumption. All this immigration, plus a lot of other ills, is because of a mass addiction to continuous growth and continuous making enormous piles of money out of enormous piles of money at gathering speed. Nothing is quite real any more, even the food we eat - the distance between the soil it grew in and our ovens is too great.

All the same, it is going to be hard for the BNP to really "do different" as they say in Norfolk. The Greens certainly haven't managed it, and as for the other parties ..... well, they don't even understand the limits to growth and never will. Why does the drive to escape poverty always end up in gluttony? - it doesn't have to, surely? This is the nut the human race has to crack - and the BNP is full of people who at least have some hope of doing it. It is also full of admirers of William Cobbett - and he is perhaps the best example of all, of how it is possible to educate yourself and prosper without becoming greedy and without abandoning all the people you have left behind tilling the fields etc.

You have to lead a very sheltered life not to realise that the planet is getting used up, especially densely populated parts like Britain. Only a miracle (or a catastrophe) can really sort out the mess - but it would certainly be progress if the country were to be run by people with good practical skills, simple tastes, and the inner contentment that comes from living where your ancestral roots are (provided those roots are still living and have not been hacked off by too much development, too much "construction", and too many newcomers).

Cromwellian

I will lay my cards on the table here i am a British National Party member shock horror, the thing about the Labour Party and their chums Conservative and Liberal Democrates, is that they belive thier own propaganda, the majority of British National Party members are good decent people, who are unhappy about the state of of our country, we were never asked if we wanted to live in some Multicultural Utopia,
Our country has been sold out to the world PLC where we should look after our own selves and Global Interest`s. Nick Griffen may not be the best person in the world, then what politician is? He has a lot to put up with, please ask yourself how many local politicians you know of would put the head over the parapit? if you have questions i would always try to reply cromwellian@live.co.uk and god bless

Roy Smith

Mr Blackburn tossers the BNP aside as do most commentators who are dedicated to the brainwashed, and over sanitised opinions of the public opinion trumpeters. Why should you continuously sling dirt around regarding the past of this once inconsequential, but now expanding movement? The very same dirt can easily be found closer to home, and also very much conveniently ignored, since this would not be the flavour of the month. It is the policy of today that matters, not the policy of the teenage years of the BNP party members! Perhaps, just perhaps, they may have something to offer. Do we for instance concern ourselves with the radicalism of the far left? The radicalism of many given sanctuary in Britain? No we do not. Why pick on an organisation originating in this country, run by people of this country, and dedicated to all that is in harmony with this country? If it is thought fine and dandy to mention time and time again the Nazi influence, perhaps also it would be appropriate to mention the policy of the present government to introduce mass immigration to drastically change the face of Britain with no consultation what-so-ever.

djw2009

>>14 percent of the British voting public reject the contention that there is no difference between the intelligence of the average black Briton and that of the average white;

Interesting. But the difference in IQs between people of different races is an empirical fact. You could discuss the causes, but not the fact of the empirical difference. So that just means only 14% of British people dare think outside the multicultural framework so dishonestly promoted by our political elite.

You claim that people who agree there is a difference in intelligence are "xenophobic and racist", but it is only realism to accept empirical facts. To be quite honest, it is the left who are motivated by hatred, not the right: their desire to tear down our culture is hatred pure and simple. It is nonsense to claim that anyone who knows the facts relating to IQ differences is motivated by hatred - for the record, I oppose the immigration of high-IQ groups from outside Europe too, because I believe in a society united by a culture, so the IQ level of immigrants from other cultures is not the precise reason why I oppose immigration. Although, of course, the lower IQ the ones getting in, the greater the problems with issues such as crime.

By your argument, anyone recognising that East Asians have a higher IQ on average than Europeans can only be motivated by "xenophobia and racism". and yet that is what the facts show - and I see no reason to try to deny them. There has never been any IQ test anywhere in the world that has produced any other results than that East Asians are higher IQ and Africans are lower IQ and Europeans falling in between the two.

djw2009

>>14 percent of the British voting public reject the contention that there is no difference between the intelligence of the average black Briton and that of the average white;

Interesting. But the difference in IQs between people of different races is an empirical fact. You could discuss the causes, but not the fact of the empirical difference. So that just means only 14% of British people dare think outside the multicultural framework so dishonestly promoted by our political elite.

You claim that people who agree there is a difference in intelligence are "xenophobic and racist", but it is only realism to accept empirical facts. To be quite honest, it is the left who are motivated by hatred, not the right: their desire to tear down our culture is hatred pure and simple. It is nonsense to claim that anyone who knows the facts relating to IQ differences is motivated by hatred - for the record, I oppose the immigration of high-IQ groups from outside Europe too, because I believe in a society united by a culture, so the IQ level of immigrants from other cultures is not the precise reason why I oppose immigration. Although, of course, the lower IQ the ones getting in, the greater the problems with issues such as crime.

By your argument, anyone recognising that East Asians have a higher IQ on average than Europeans can only be motivated by "xenophobia and racism". and yet that is what the facts show - and I see no reason to try to deny them. There has never been any IQ test anywhere in the world that has produced any other results than that East Asians are higher IQ and Africans are lower IQ and Europeans falling in between the two.

2trueblue

When the Tories went to the electorate under M Howard with immigration they were slaughtered and Liebore labeled them racists. When they went to the electorate with protecting the £ and the country against the EU the country were not interested. Frankly the electorate deserve what they got, Liebore.

Liebore great at calling anyone who disagrees with they 'racists' or whatever. When your child goes to a school where 150 languages are spoken that is not progress. When we have to employ translators for people who live here, and have lived here for a number of years we are not helping them, we are doing the opposite. Liebore have disenfranchised the very people they say they wish to help live better and more fulfilled lives. They call it freedom.

At the same time we have lost more freedoms since Liebore came to power than under any government ever. There is no other government in the developed world who have treated their own population with such contempt. They have feathered their own nests and presided over the most corrupt parliament of our time, and they dare to label anyone as prejudiced?

If they lose seats to the BMP on the immigration issue then it is because no other party is addressing the matter in a grown up way. We are being bullied by our present government and the EU who our dear Liebore signed us up to. Fantastic. Is it any wonder that people are turning to others?

Jane

I worry for the Country future.

I dont i can take anymore of the lib/lad/con.

Austin Barry

Dystopistan. We're almost there.

I do hope the Civil Contingencies Act and the strategies developed over the past five years by the Crisis Response Committee in fraught meetings in Whitehall's Conference Room 'A' will be able to properly address the coming disorder. But I suspect not.

Thank you New Labour.

J walsh

I am a ordinary Englishman born in the 50s into a working class family, as a boy I used to help my dad in his job , fixing his old Car in the street at weekends and help him get ready with his army uniform when going to TA meetings , like many fathers of the 40 and 50s his was ex regular soldier who had served in italy, north africa and dunkirk fighting the Nazis, our teachers were all ex soldiers or serviceman from fighter pilots to ex navy men who had served and as such had a common bond together that they had saved thier country from a ruthless evil tyranny with dogmatic ideas, anti semitic polices,bent on world domination, a belief that their version of the truth was the only acceptable one and that any dissent from this was punishable by death, any critisiem of the creed marked you for excecution, not being a party member marked you as expendable, any images making fun of the Furher was punishable by death, any jokes or cartoons depicting the regrime as evil or humerous carried at the least a trip to court in which you recived a 5 min verbal battering from a deranged madman in a long cloak and black hat before being if lucky just imprisoned for 6 months .
That, my fathers generation believed with pride that they had fought against and won.
Does the regrime described above sound somewhat familier.
Lets face it , its not about the BNP or the other parties , its not even about black people or indian people although if most white english/British people had a choice between mass Polish or Russian immigration to this country few would object, because in a few generations they would be intergrated totaly into the host population, its really about Islam the fact that most muslims are brown and of arab heritage only makes it worse ( imagine if all the muslims were white and fair haired) the fact that there belief system is international and not national makes it impossible for them to become truly patriotic and identifly themselves as British first and islamic 2nd, the fact that Koran rules the lives of even the most moderate muslims makes them reject western values wholesale, the tradedy that this creed is unchangable , backward medievil and resembles the aforementioned regrime only serves to polarise are resentment and yes hatred of it as in its extreme form , ( something we have seen a lot of in recent years) its is totally opposed to all the English values that we and are ancesters in this county right up to my fathers generation fought so hard to preserve, a stuggle that runs from Magna carter to winston churchill.
Islam is the problem and the sooner any party ( and I beleive they are all very much aware of what is panning out in this country) legistlates against, re educates the islamic population from birth taking this education out of the hands of the imans, bans religous symbolism such as burkers and other garb which separates communities from interacting and helping each other, stops giving public funding to the building of places of minoriy ethnic worship of all types worship, bans exclusive muslim schools and indeed any religous education in any school, then there will be no peace , people will vote BNP in droves as the problem gets worse and islam doubles its population size in this country over the next 20 years, racial violence will become an everyday occurence, segegation will follow and in 40 years unclecked , civil war and yes evem partition as in india in the last days of the raj ( mainly caused by Jenner and his insistence on a separate muslim state, no action now will result in the same deal with a soveriegn islamic state probally in the north and mass white flight to the south as this happens.
This is not doom mongering unfortunallly this will happens and my fathers generation will have been betrayed by their very own children and grandchildren.

julie

Is Hundal 'eloquent' - his 'articles' are juvenile and made up of endless links and throwaway words to illustrate he's been to journalist school too. He's lazy and bigoted ('waycist, waycist') like a lot of his collegues and not a very good writer to boot.

David Bouvier

djw2000 - you may wish to distinguish between intelligence and specifically IQ; different test versions have more or less cultural/educational component, and differences seem to vary by age of test.

Also since 14% of the population have an IQ of 84 or less perhaps we shouldn't take too much note of their opinions.

Bouchard

I am a ordinary Englishman born in the 50s into a working class family, as a boy I used to help my dad in his job , fixing his old Car in the street at weekends and help him get ready with his army uniform when going to TA meetings , like many fathers of the 40 and 50s his was ex regular soldier who had served in Italy, north Africa and Dunkirk fighting the Nazis, our teachers were all ex soldiers or serviceman from fighter pilots to ex navy men who had served and as such had a common bond together that they had saved their country from a ruthless evil tyranny with dogmatic ideas, anti Semitic polices, bent on world domination, a belief that their version of the truth was the only acceptable one and that any dissent from this was punishable by death, any criticism of the creed marked you for execution, not being a party member marked you as expendable, any images making fun of the Fur her was punishable by death, any jokes or cartoons depicting the regime as evil or humorous carried at the least a trip to court in which you received a 5 min verbal battering from a deranged madman in a long cloak and black hat before being if lucky just imprisoned for 6 months .
That, my father’s generation believed with pride that they had fought against and won.
Does the regime described above sound somewhat familiar.
Lets face it , its not about the BNP or the other parties , its not even about black people or indian people although if most white English/British people had a choice between mass Polish or Russian immigration to this country few would object, because in a few generations they would be integrated totally into the host population, its really about Islam the fact that most Muslims are brown and of arab heritage only makes it worse ( imagine if all the Muslims were white and fair haired) the fact that there belief system is international and not national makes it impossible for them to become truly patriotic and identify themselves as British first and Islamic 2nd, the fact that Koran rules the lives of even the most moderate Muslims makes them reject western values wholesale, the tragedy that this creed is unchangeable , backward medieval and resembles the aforementioned regime only serves to polarise are resentment and yes hatred of it as in its extreme form , ( something we have seen a lot of in recent years) its is totally opposed to all the English values that we and are ancestors in this county right up to my father’s generation fought so hard to preserve, a struggle that runs from Magna carter to Winston Churchill.
Islam is the problem and the sooner any party ( and I believe they are all very much aware of what is panning out in this country) legislates against, re educates the Islamic population from birth taking this education out of the hands of the imams, bans religious symbolism such as burkers and other garb which separates communities from interacting and helping each other, stops giving public funding to the building of places of minority ethnic worship of all types worship, bans exclusive Muslim schools and indeed any religious education in any school, then there will be no peace , people will vote BNP in droves as the problem gets worse and Islam doubles its population size in this country over the next 20 years, racial violence will become an everyday occurrence, segregation will follow and in 40 years unchecked , civil war and yes even partition as in India in the last days of the raj ( mainly caused by Jenner and his insistence on a separate Muslim state, no action now will result in the same deal with a sovereign Islamic state probably in the north and mass white flight to the south as this happens.
This is not doom mongering unfortunallly this will happens and my fathers generation will have been betrayed by their very own children and grandchildren.

djw2009

>djw2000 - you may wish to distinguish between intelligence and specifically IQ; different test versions have more or less cultural/educational component, and differences seem to vary by age of test.

There may be other types of intelligence than are tested for by IQ, but someone who has no idea how to even begin answering the simple questions on an IQ test is not very mathematically or verbally competent - and it is precisely this kind of intelligence that is needed in modern society. It may have been the case in the 1950s that IQ tests contained an element of cultural knowledge, but this is not the case nowadays. There are various tests around, including the Culture Fair test accepted by Mensa. Why retail this argument six decades out of date? You could argue that IQ only tests for certain types of intelligence, and you could argue that flaws in black culture are contributory to their low scores. You may not argue that the tested scores do not reveal a racial gap.

Andrew

It's been a long while since I've posted to the Spectator.
It was about the BNP then too. I was very much in the minority as I supported some (but not all) BNP policies and had to endure repeated insults of racist, Nazi, fascist ....the lot. I knew these things wern't true and also imagined that someday soon many more would join me in voting BNP. Well, it now looks like that time is fast approaching and whilst the BNP may not be picking up that many votes they are certainly gaining sympathy. So to all those who insulted me at the time (and you probably know who you are) and to the Spectator who refused to allow me the right to reply to those insults I would like to accept your apologies but doubt that you would be gracious enough to offer them. To those contemplating support for the BNP, I would say this. Think about the children/grandchildren and do what YOU think is right for your people. Don't listen to the bleeding hearts, think of you and yours.

Leeds Ian

Why are there so many comments supporting the BNP ?
Why is there so much interest in what BNP stands for ?
Why are all on-line forums full of BNP support ?
It's called DEMOCRACY - the voice of the electorate calling, shouting, begging to be heard.
If only the press would look a bit closer at the BNP, without the 'nazi racist' blinkers, then maybe we all could have a proper, sensible dialogue about the issues that matter in the coming election.
The BNP - (frightening though it may seem to some) is not the problem, but it just could have some of the answers.

michael

Positive discrimination, in Bradford this means peace on the streets at any price.
Just check old T&A court files.
As discriminatory leniency becomes harder to justify a policy of leniency for all is taking over, with subsequent lawlessness.
The fear of renewed race riots too scary for just punishment.
The economic price of these fears include child benefit for children resident in Pakistan.
£20,000 grants for Asian families to improve the frontages of their homes...canny families have a Westminster style his and hers.
a plethora of unofficial moratoria on civil misdemeanours...unlicensed driving no insurance etc.
Discriminatory business grants
and the list goes on.
People are pissed off... BNP fodder.

inigo jones

Thank you DALEMAN ;Feb 24th, 8.55pm for passing on that brilliant piece by the Botswana journo re the Black Countries' response to the earthquake in Haiti. Well said, that man! As for the BNP, my only experience of them [apart from TV] was the gang of hooligans who sprayed stupid graffiti on the side of my house. I won't be voting for them.

Soultime

I am sorry that Inigo Jones had his or her propertydefiled with BNP slogans. As a member of the BNP since 2000 I can be almost certain that the vandalism experienced was NOT inspired by them or their active supporters. On the contrary, 99% of the members I have worked with have been decent folk fed up with the foul mess that Britain now is. All thanks to the lack of respect for others that pervades our once respectful society.

Marcher Baron

"The explosion of migrant workers under this government, not imported as part of some sinister plot (this government is too incompetent to have implemented something so intricate) ..." The government is, indeed, incompetent, but the reasoning behind unlimited immigration clearly IS a plot to destroy the indigenous culture according to Neather and MigrationWatch. Where have you been?

radgie gadgie

michael@Feb 25th, 2010 2:24pm raises a point which doesnt get much (any? mainstream media coverage). The issue of Child Benefit being paid (directly into bank accs no questions asked thank you very much) for children who arent actually in the country.

This is a massive ongoing fraud which MPs and the benefits agency are not interested in as, I guess, a investigation or campaign against it would be inherently discriminatory.

In my old stamping ground of Walthamstan (East London) it can work like this; I'm a muslim who, despite claims by the Govt that it doesnt happen, has leapt the queue for local authority or association housing. I have kids (averaging say,4). and apply for and benefit which can be done on-line. At some point I think "I can send my kids back for a 'proper' education (usually Mirpur) or just to live very comfortably on the £60 basic CB I get" No checks are ever made to ensure that the children are still resident. Meanwhile I sublet my accomodation (bonus!!) to some safe person(s) from the same village or area of my dual (i.e main) nationality. Any visit from any authority will be met with real or faux incomprehension (no speak English) so stalling any investigation. Repeat as required up to 4 times (per wife) because in recent years local authorities now accomodate the requirement of multiple wives as regards housing and CB.

This leads on to (inter alia) issues of local authority housing - but maybe another time. Remind me again why a vote for any big 3 parties would change any of the above?

St Bruno

I must congratulate the Spectator and David Blackburn for, at least, mentioning the BNP without adding some words like ‘goons’ , evil, thugs, you get the drift, but rhetoric still persists.
I suppose in this venerated organ of Tory propaganda I must be careful and pick my words with due diligence. For that is what it boils down to, choice of words, semantics.
The PM Gordon Brown is running scared at the prospect of loosing the next election. Why ?
Can he see a bleak future for himself and his family in multicultural Britain when he is ‘only’ a MSP back-bencher. Or will he be loosing his divine mission to change the world and Britain in particular. He’s had a good go at changing things so far hidden agendas or not, Britain has changed and not for the better in my opinion.
If you are over seventy could you ever imagine this is the way Britain should be?
Many people have worked hard all their lives, saved, paid taxes, NI, paid the mortgage and seen a future for their children and grand children, to see it today as nothing but a massive con trick giving it all away to ‘Johnny foreigner’. It’s a real shame on the elected people who were trusted with the heritage of Britain. Britain was once a rich and powerful collection of countries, made rich by leaders who were trusted and a people who were hard working and believed in the future.
It’s unbelievable that people accepted the policies of a Scottish Marxist Warrior Gordon Brown when he forced himself on them when he took over from Mr Blair. Tell us Mr Cameron what you will do next, if you please, go on, go on, say something we can believe and trust.
I well remember Mr Brown on BBC TV after the BNP victories in the EU Elections looking red faced and close to tears, on rising from his seat to say ‘ something must be done about the BNP’. Could the situation today have anything to do with this muttering? What is that but bullying? A million people have not voted for me or a righteous party, how dare they, they must be stopped this cannot go on! I’ll summon up the forces of hell, I know, how about Trevor Phillips he’s a good lad and will do what he’s told, I pay him and his gang enough, £80m should do nicely.

Let’s face it in the eyes of the vested interests there is only Red, Blue and Yellow where voting is concerned. They are to be trusted with the future of Britain and will not do anything to endanger our way of life. Trust is the word: can the people of Britain trust them any more? Are the people of Britain to be re-educated to accept multiculturalism because they are all thickies if they say NO more immigration from the Islamic countries or from the teeming masses of Africa with murderous dictators and hate for Britain and the West?

Vox populi. The day when one journalist stops quoting another journalist as if it is the real core of the matter rather than expressing some original research and opinions will be the day when one branch of British politics reaches maturity. Without doubt much safer than being branded sympathetic with the voice of the BNP or not as the case maybe.

Bouchard

As of today it seems the tories have lost last weeks lead in the polls they had ,apparently it is now only 2% lead over labour from about 30% last month in one poll, the media and all the main parties cant seem to work out were all these potential votes have gone , BNP perhaps ???

Stuart Seacole Smith

I certainly welcome this article, and the heartfelt discussion it triggers. It's patently obvious that many people in the UK (and in Western Europe more generally) have deep seated and legitimate concerns about the direction our societies seem to be headed.

It's equally clear that there are precious few politicians ready to address crime/ benefits/ immigration/ religion/ race issues. In fact, the very politicians who should be handling these problems are often actually directly responsible for exacerbating them. Think of that git J-J-J-J-Jack Straw - a man whose head belongs on a spike if ever there was one.

While I'm all in favour of open debate on all issues, and harsh measures where needed, there's one line of thought in the article and comments that I think should be treated with extreme caution - the point on white-black-asian average IQ. Remember: variation within races is massively greater than between races.

Anyone who thinks "black = thick" is saying more about their own IQ than black IQ. In any case, I don't think average black vs white intelligence is a relevant or worthy point of political debate. The Nothing British statistic regarding 31% of BMP supporters thinking blacks less intelligent (vs 14% of the general population) only serves to undermine them, and draws attention away from the real issues.

James from Berwick

Never voted for the BNP before but with everything that's gone on from immigration to the expenses scandle to the banks. I don't think they can be worse than the self serving idiots we've got now. If anything a good shake up is whats needed